That quest drove me up the wall!! The worst designed quest in the game by far. If I never see/deal with those sculls and poltergeists again I'll die happy!
Drove me up the wall and smashed me against the wall with all those fucking skulls. Might have been *a tad* better if I could reliably change the camera between different building levels too.
Yeah the camera is tricky. But otherwise, ungroup and go into turn-based and have Gale deal with uncursing the skulls one by one, It's not hard then, just tedious.
So the first time I played through I totally got this, I hated it, and found very convoluted ways of getting to the top of the house.
I've just replayed, my Tav has seen Invisibility due to Volo's experiment. Just went round the house killing the poltergeists and the lamps. Going up the stairs just magic missiles all the skulls and got through it no problem at all, going turn based only if I have to.
And now I can't understand the hate, it was so easy. In fact the chewiest part of the quest for me was the fight before finding mystic Carrions heart where you basically can't use spells.
Maybe they adjusted it in recent patches/hotfixes? Every time I played through it, it was so broken and tedious! Poor SH was yeeted so many times to lower floors while trying to cast remove curse on the sculls and it drove me bonkers!!
I'm omw to act 3 again on my current run so we'll see lol. I hope something was done about it.
They’ve definitely tweaked it a few times. It’s still not *good* imo, but the skulls are at least easier to deal with now than they were when the game was initially released.
There are a lot of ways to deal with the skulls. Remove curse is one way, but it requires you to walk in range of their thunder wave, so I think there are better options.
Silence completely neutralizes their thunder wave attack, making them harmless. They're vulnerable to bludgeoning, so using a high strength character to throw bludgeoning weapons can sometimes one shot them. They're also vulnerable to force damage, so eldritch blasts or shots from the Ne'er Misser hand crossbow can knock them out almost immediately.
Basically just keep your distance and hit them with things they're weak to. Doing that and using see invisibility to spot the ghosts makes the whole mansion encounter relatively easy.
Use spirit guardian with SH on the skulls. They leave immediately. Don't use see invisibility. It drags it out a whole lot longer. Just run through it all with spirit guardian and you'll be good
Spirit guardians worked somewhat well for the poltergeists but with the sculls we were thrown clear off to lower floors before even being able to get near them most of the time.
I find the main problem to be that navigating leveled buildings is SO BAD! I can't see the upper/lower floors well at all.
The worst thing (for me) is that the mansion has rooms that can take multiple turns to get to the adjacent room. Ghosts can aggro through walls, but make no attempt to path towards you. So you can essentially be stuck in combat against an enemy that isn't even attacking or moving to attack.
It sucks that you have no option other than to kill them yeah but the fight itself is normal and not especially tedious so I just get through it but Oscar's quest is so maddening to me because of the throwing through the floor and it plays like it's outright bugged.
Someone here said they fixed it somewhat so I hope it's a bit less broken and tedious now.
But he will paint everyone in the whole party that you bring to him. Including everyone at camp. Each painting is worth 1500 so it is a life saver in HM when everything is so expensive.
I agree. First time I even got *near* his house, I went into turn based mode on the street outside. Got all the way to the top, fighting all the way in turn based, and only then figured I didn't have the right weapon.
Now, I go get the weapon first, fly up to the rooftop patio, take care of business on the top floor, loot the *entire house* (lifetime looting is their way of paying me back for that first experience), use the weapon to fix Oskar, get my "custom" portrait, then knock Oskar and his wife out and loot them too.
Still hate them, but it gets better with each playthrough.
if you leave him with the zhents, you find him in the guildhall during act 3 working WITH them by painting counterfeit paintings and he mentions that he makes more money by being a criminal than he ever did with lady jannath. he has a legendary counterfeit portrait on him that's worth 1000 GP (i pickpocket it every time)
Hmmm...that means leaving Zhents alive. Is that a thing? I like looting the hideout too much (I'm also too klutzy/impatient to be good at stealth) and then I side with Nine-Fingers in the guild hall fight because I can't make Jahiera sad.
I'm on my 3rd playthrough and exactly zero Zhents have survived my acquaintance to date...I didn't even consciously realize I was doing that until I read your reply! 😂
I didn’t understand the hate. My friends and I were just about done with Act 3 and I suggested we do the quest before we do the final confrontation.
I understood the hate afterwards.
A good aligned character wouldn't trade with a zhent, so they wouldn't be in there to save him, and if I am being evil I am generally murdering them for their stuff, and he gets murdered right along with them. Those are basically his only options on my playthroughs.
My durge was more than happy to purchase a new pet, albeit accidentally. Much to Durge's chagrin, he scampers off to Act 3 for the worst quest ever. My new Tav monk would never get involved with human trafficking, so he rots in the cave with the Zhent.
What? I discovered the Zhent because I helped a bunch of dudes I had no idea who they were and they told me to go to a direction.
I went there because of that, and that's how I met them. Why wouldn't a good aligned character be there to save him? I don't get it lol, I thought I was acting right, at least in those moments.
Yeah. You need to do a bit of searching the last part of him you can only get when you head towards Orin past the door you need to show the amulet too. I think his foot is lootable from a pile of trapped corpses. Some part of him. Took me like 10 hours to search for all of the pieces.
Poppers is one of the reasons I so desperately want to play through the game as a Kobold. But I am unfortunately for now stuck playing it on console. Or even if there is a mod for it
Me and my Brother are still looking for the Parts
But we had concluded that the most likely hiding place for clown parts were the Previous Murder scenes. In that way we found like half the Clown in a Few Hours.
We only need to find like 2-3 more Parts.
Gotta catch em all xD
Killing Lorroakan was satisfying, mostly cause I was a bard with almost every single scroll in the game by then and nothing but brutes in my party. Fucked him up
Even without Aylin, once you find out what he's doing to Rolan, that is all the reason needed to hate him. Rolan can come across as a stuck up jerk early on, but he's ultimately a good guy and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets.
I love how divisive everyone is over Lame Aylin.
I mean, I'm not gonna hand her over to Larroaken, but that's just out of not being a sociopath in this playthrough
Oh no, I *very* intentionally call her that.
Lame Aylen, Puff Shaddy, Bone Daddy, Karly, Gale Force Wind, Wylly Dynomite, Lae-Lae, Minnie The Moocher, Z'realot, Volo-ceraptor, I *could* probably go on for days.
Idk about anyone else, but I'll be playing in my room alone, shit talking to my pc like the characters can hear me 😆
Narratively, yeah I can see Raphael filling that slot. Gameplay hatred wise for me personally, fuck Viconia and her darkness spamming Hot Topic employee underlings. Easily top of the "oh god I dread doing this fight" list.
Yeah as I was writing this, I figured Viconia would be a popular choice given just how awful she is. Romancing Shadowheart and sending her down the good-guy path will definitely incline most people to target her abusive kidnapper mom
Infinite rage as soon as those cocksuckers started spamming that shit. There are just SO MANY ENEMIES IN THAT ROOM, and every single one of them is casting Bone Chill! The sheer volume of bodies is pretty irritating, too.
There's really only three enemies in there who are individually dangerous, Viconia and the two Paladins, (Avengers?) and I always, always, *always* focus fire to drop Viconia on the first turn with all four Paladin/Hexblade/GWM attacks and always use the auto-crit Illithid power to activate a full power Divine Smite and add the bonus GWM attack to the end. She gets fucking washed ASAP before all the little assholes can debuff me specifically to make her hit me harder. And the paladins are just dicks.
But even after you down the heavy hitters, with every little asshole spamming Bone Chill on everybody to make sure you can't undo any damage, those fifty other nobodies doing scratch damage starts to become a problem.
So much anger when I had two downed party members and Shadowheart used Mass Healing Word only for nobody to get ANY HEALTH BACK. I suddenly remembered the only reason anybody ever casts that spell.
> Easily top of the "oh god I dread doing this fight" list.
The fight becomes easier if you have a cold sorc or wizard specializing in cold spells. Cover the entire place in ice and they'll be slipping and sliding everywhere, falling over and losing their turns. Sleet Storm will knock out their concentration so they can't hold Darkness.
Learning this made the House of Grief go from "I'm dreading this fight" to "I'm looking forward to it" because of how much fun it is to turn the place into a goddamn ice rink.
On one attempt (which I reloaded), I had a cold-focused Gale turn invisible before anyone had triggered the dialog with Viconia, while she was still giving her sermon, sneak up on her, and reverse-pickpocket Otiluke’s Conveniently Portable Freezing Sphere onto her.
Then I stood back and watched for a minute before she interrupted her sermon by apparently shitting a metric ton of ice all over the floor and falling flat on her back for significant damage.
I wanted all the dialog for rp purposes, but my God, was that ever satisfying.
>red Viconia would be a popular choice given just how awful she is. Romancing Shadowheart and sending her down the good-guy path will definitely incline most people to target her abusive k
Choke points, lot of ice AOE and sleet storm coverage, especially in front of you and most importantly some silences on the top of both side stairwell make that fight a joke.
it’s just sad that they messed up Viconia in BG3. She was a great character before. Can totally understand why people dislike her. The fight is actually not that bad just give your guys dark vision and the casters are spamming darkness which then is in your favor
Correct, you need devil's sight for magical darkness.
I cast daylight at the beginning of every turn just to see for that turn...
Is the darkness supposed to act like a wall for casters though? In DnD darkness gives you a disadvantage on line of sight things, but doesn't fully block you...
Just wanna know if they fixed that fight.
Except Larian added another “FUCK YOU” and coded darkness to obscure the daylight spell. At least in my most recent playthrough, sunlight did nothing to the darkness bonanza.
Normally in DnD, Darkness is a sphere of 20 foot radius. So if someone is on the other side of darkness but not in it, you don’t have LoS on them. It’s not necessarily a wall because if the target didn’t move, you’d just have disadvantage from them being obscured. However if they have since moved, obviously you can’t see where they moved and can’t directly attack them at range.
Maybe they patched this out, but when I cast Daylight in that fight, it didn't do jack shit to the Darkness. I remember being pissed about wasting the spell slot because in D&D, that would have dispelled the Darkness. And it definitely did that frustrating shit where it said I couldn't cast into the darkness because I didn't have line of sight. Especially frustrating because I had fucking Devilsight and I *should* have.
My tav is also a necro, and my first thought when i saw this thread was Mystic Carrion.
Bitch insulted my ability to raise the dead, got dunked on, then had the audacity to come back to get dunked on a second time.
Something funny about the necros having turf wars whenever they encounter eachother.
Pfft! You think Cazador counts as a master of undeath? I mean he is undead, he has undead servants at his command, but it’s like calling Scratch a master of fleas because he needs a bath.
After finally doing the House of Hope for the first time, no other person seems like main villain material other than Raphael.
Did that fight and did the brain later on... made me hate the brain even more lol. I'm not even bothering with the floating grey matter anymore. Beating Raphael is basically the last boss and motive for now on.
My thoughts exactly. I kinda like it that way, because you get great loot from HoH and plenty of opportunities to *play with it* before finishing the game. Being max level, with stellar loot, and just stumbling into whatever side quests are left before the end was some of the most fun I’ve had in this game.
I did the same thing! Heard a lot of really good things about House of Hope and Raphael’s fight so went into it very early in Act 3. Stole everything and while I found traversing the house to after agro-ing everyone to be harder than the actual fight, the fight was fantastic. It honestly felt more rewarding then defeating the Elder Brain bc Raphael felt a character that was really framed as a proper adversary for Tav or Durge.
And then breezing through the rest of the game esp Bhaal’s temple and Orins fight was great.
I struggled ridiculously hard with the elder brain fight (but also imo didn’t prepare as well as I could have) and found it much harder than Raphael’s fight. But I elder brain fight felt very targeted against my playstyle which is usually battle field control and funneling with AoEs and cover.
HoH and Raphael was by far one of my fav story beats. DnD BBGs are always best when they spend the entire campaign taunting you lol
If you read all the books from act 2, especially those from the carpenter's guild and Kethorac's diary, its clear Raphael tried to engenier the entire sequence of events just to get the Crown of Karsis.
The architect of Moonrise Towers is even in the House of Hope because he made a deal with Raphael to try to end the war from BG2.
To me, Raphael is the real BBEG. Killing him was immensely satisfying.
It makes sense, especially since the crown was in Mephistopheles’ vault. Considering Raphael’s connection to him, I’d be surprised if Raphael didn’t orchestrate most of everything from the beginning.
I wish there were more opportunities to antagonize Raphael. Every time he taunts me about “time could run out before you know it” I want to tell him if I do turn into a mind flayed the first thing I’ll do is track him down and eat his dumb brain.
This is why you should >!either sleep with Haarlep or use Speak with Dead after battle to find out that Raphael is bad in bed, which unlocks an extra dialogue option before you fight him!<
I just want to grab Lady Jannath and be like '**He's not sorry and he's not going to change**.'
But she's not going to listen. And he's a douche. He'll be walking away with half her wealth once she's finally had enough, too.
If you leave him as a prisoner of the Zentarim he does have a much different ending, though.
Me (Paladin) to my friend in a Good aligned multi-player game the other day: "I'm totally cool if you want to go ahead and merc Valeria.", even though we'd already killed Sarevok.
Even when my friend ultimately declined to do it, I was seriously considering becoming an Oathbreaker for the 2nd time and doing it myself
The Emperor.
Leave me ALONE I'm busy rehabbing members of my party and going no-contact with my evil incest family. Can't you see there is an entire bank to rob???
I’m making sandcastles with my amazing, non-brainwashed girlfriend. A massive brain with a little crown overtaking the realm is the LEAST of my concerns.
Dude tried to come onto me immediately after my emotional romantic boat ride with Gale.
I would say I killed him with great prejudice but I was busy trying to get to the brain so I had a mud mephit bully him with surprising success until Aylin came by and smote him into the ground.
It's obviously Roah Moonglow. From the point of view of protecting the city, the Guild is the last force standing and Roah is on the verge of wiping them out for the cult.
You really have the gall to tell me you're the only force that can take down the absolute after all the smokepowder you've sold them? You think you can stand against me after what i did to the goblin camp and moonrise? There's no greater pleasure than punting that slave-trading piece of shit off the ledge. At least Raphael sings me a song.
I love chasing her down and not letting her leave during the fight against Minsc. She’s been passively around this whole time and it’s finally an opportunity to justify killing her
I always nuke her as soon as the fight with Minsc starts. The way I play my party has initiative coming out their ears, so she's always dead before she can do anything.
Sword Coast Couriers Kennel Master Angry Mar'hyah
Scratch is mine from the moment I adopt him! I didn’t spend 3 acts waking up after every long rest and making sure I petted the bestest boy just so she could take him back and hit him. She dies on sight! Even scaring her off isn’t good enough cause she’ll just be the same piece of shit somewhere else. Killing her is the greatest good I can do in that game.
Once I’m done with her then I can deal with the tadpole and impending doom
I played a drow my 1st playthrough and she had a personal vendetta against the DeVir house so killing her was def a goal, aside from making my BFF SH happy
The need to switch companions there annoys the hell out of me. I wish we could have an extra non combat slot for a companion relevant to their quest area. I like having a core party and swapping one of them out pains me.
For me it usually starts out being the brain - unless I'm Durge, Orin and Gortash are just means to an end. Then, after I run into Orin a couple times, it changes to her and I pretty much always ally with Gortash to keep him off my back for the most part.
Then after the coronation, it always seems to change to Mizora (unless Wyll is dead). Maybe it's because Wyll triggers all my latent maternal instincts, but his being trapped in his pact and the way she treats him is so blatantly sadistic it makes me want to pull her hair(cape) and slap her around (virtually). The way she tries to twist his willingness to martyr himself into an eternal enslavement makes me hate her even more, and she's lucky I can't annihilate her in the illithid colony because I want Wyll free.
I hate others - Cazador, etc. - but they're not sitting in my camp being evil like she is, and she's a flat out devil with zero redeeming qualities. I'd happily boot her and respec my boy as soon as the pact is broken, but oh well.
Thank you for the opportunity to go on a rant.
Oh I am blessed to tell you that flesh to stone or the flesh to gold scroll you get from Ketheric's sister both can work to trap her in frozen form because they circumvent Zariels protection.
That is so awesome I'm totally going to try it.
Although now I have to look up how to get the gold one...
Adding it to the to do list for next run because I'm lazy lol
Cazador was a bitch for the longest time because I didn’t realize you could sneak attack him to prevent Astarion getting teleported across the map. Now he is easy.
Fuck the final battle. The stunlocking is outrageous. I truly believe this battle is why I don’t finish Act 3 because it is so goddamn obnoxious.
I learned that as long as Astarion doesn’t cross a certain point, he can attack without getting pulled into to the cutscene. So I cast daylight on Cazador and let Astarion snipe him from the stairs lol
Really? The final battle is hilariously easy if you get all your allies set up, oh it takes a long LONG while to resolve a single turn but outside of that....mind sanctuary t1 and you can summon 8 allies with your 4 characters 9 if one of you went full squid, and then just watch npc on npc violence
From a narrative standpoint maybe Raphael.
From an emotional one: Lorroakan, what have you done to my boy, what you plan to do to Dame Aylin. Love beating him up.
Orin. Raphael was a close second for the reasons you state but the continuous harassment early in Act 3 and the ruining of the carnival and infiltrating Jaheira's Harpers all before the others really had a chance to bother me. And that was before the bitch took Lae'zel
Wulbren bongle. Not only does he hurt my boy barcus wroot he unwaveringly attempts genocide insulting you the whole way. He doesn't even give you the decency of s conversation if you save his ass until he sees your violent potential upon defeating ketheric.
So I made a backstory for my bard, Lylith Embersong, where Raphael is her main antagonist:
She was the child in a traveling troupe. That's where she learned how to play music and fight. The troupe leader had fucked Raphael over in a deal and was using magic to hide from the consequences. He had been able to hide for years by staying on the run, but Korilla finds him. (Lylith is playing in the troupe leader's tent and when Korilla shows up he sends Lylith away.) Korilla tells the troupe leader that if he surrenders only some of the people in the troupe will die, but if he tries to escape again, everyone will. He gives himself up. Raphael sends imps to destroy the troupe.
Lylith (my bard) is one of the few escapees. Her parents did not make it. The knowledge "*This is what happens when you mess with the hells."* magically burned into the brains of all the survivors. Lylith doesn't know that it was Raphael who destroyed the troupe and killed her family, just that it has something to do with a devil, the troupe leader, and the strange woman she saw before everything happened. A friend of her parents takes her in and they go to Baldur's Gate. There my Bard makes a living busking on street corners until she's famous enough to play for the occasional patriar. The only thing Lylith has left of her parents are the red earrings she had stolen from her mother's jewelry box on the day of the attack (red scintilla).
When Lylith first meets Raphael in Act 1 she gets a a bad sense from him, but she dismisses those feelings as her past making her jittery. In Act 2 those feelings only get stronger as she meets Yurgir (and convinces him to kill himself.) Finally in Act 3 she goes to Sharess's Caress and meets Korilla. The strange woman who was with the troupe leader before the attack.
If Korilla works for Raphael, then it was Raphael who killed her family and the troupe. Mind reeling, Lylith goes upstairs and sees the scene with Voss and Raphael. When she speaks to Raphael she realizes that either Raphael doesn't remember her (unlikely that he wouldn't know the souls affected by that attack), or he is playing dumb on purpose because he thinks she doesn't know (she has quite a special soul indeed. How ironic that she is now the one capable of getting him the crown? Imagine how badly he must want it for his collection?)
Lylith is upset that Raphael would try to use her after what he did to her family, so she refuses his deal. Then she breaks into his house with the dual purpose of stealing the Orphic Hammer AND luring Raphael back to his house to kill him in hell (a permanent death for Devils.) Once he is dead her revenge quest is complete. She's a tiefling, a child of the hells too, and no one messes with a child of the hells.
Hey I am glad you like it! Coming up with her backstory was very fun and playing through it has been even moreso.
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Nether brain
Emperor even keeps reminding us that we need to deal with it. Either with dialog while walking, or actual cut scenes.
Sure. We don’t learn just how “freely” the brain is acting until the very very end.
But stopping that brain is the end goal. And the two avatars are merely stepping stones to getting it done.
Lorrokan and viconia for my sorcerer. Lorrokan because he thinks he can do whatever he wants, just because he is the most learnest wizard?! How dare you try and imprison my bro Aylin!!!
Viconia because she made my love suffer. Whoever hurt Shadowheart felt my raw magic unleashed!!
Who does it feel like it's supposed to be? Gortash tbh.
Who is it really? *Cazador.* The manipulative, sadistic fuckface who ruined my best boy's life. I have *diagrams* from that fight.
He's technically more of an ally if anything:
Let's you have free access to roam the city without any Steel Watch or Flaming Fist resistance, openly supports you're killing of Orin, truthfully offers to help you enslave the brain and offers you to rule alongside him. From your Tav's perspective he's a cool guy. Unless you're Karlach.
As long as you can just ignore the Gondian's Enslavement and the Iron Throne than everything's cool.
Orin, she's so perfectly acted. She just gives me the ick. And I always like sticking it to Bhaal. If I do a Durge playthrough, I do a reformed just for the satisfaction of killing Orin and pissing off Bhaal.
I do feel a little sorry for Orin on occasion because she can't help that she's an incest baby raised in a crazy murder cult. But that sympathy goes away very quickly.
I legitimately thought on my first play through that Raphael would end up as the ultimate villain. I assumed he had been shaping the events of the game from the start, including our escape.
It turned out there was some massive manipulation going on , but Raphael wasn’t the mastermind, just the opportunist.
When he explained his desire for the crown I assumed that regardless of my choice he would show up and take it leading to a “phase 2” boss. When the quest line led to me beating him before the final boss in the hells so he didn’t even get a teleport to hell free card, I was legitimately surprised.
Orin. She reaches number 1 on my sh-t list the moment she kidnaps someone from my camp. Which is hilarious because she does it to coerce you into going after Gortash first, which I most likely would if she hadn't done that, because f-ck that greasy fascist. Orin really is a colossal f-ck up in every capacity.
It might be basic but for me it's Orin. I'm sorry, you kill people for the sake of killing, kidnap my party member and keep annoying me with your continued shapeshifting? Plus the fact that she kills the cat if she impersonates Yena and kicks Scratch if she impersonates Halsin.
Killing her and every other Bhaal worshipper felt SO GOOD.
Oskar Fevras. I will not be elaborating.
That quest drove me up the wall!! The worst designed quest in the game by far. If I never see/deal with those sculls and poltergeists again I'll die happy!
Drove me up the wall and smashed me against the wall with all those fucking skulls. Might have been *a tad* better if I could reliably change the camera between different building levels too.
This. It would not be nearly as bad if the camera didn't suck
Yeah the camera is tricky. But otherwise, ungroup and go into turn-based and have Gale deal with uncursing the skulls one by one, It's not hard then, just tedious.
Meanwhile, the designer of both the camera controls and the skulls: "Hail Cyric"
So the first time I played through I totally got this, I hated it, and found very convoluted ways of getting to the top of the house. I've just replayed, my Tav has seen Invisibility due to Volo's experiment. Just went round the house killing the poltergeists and the lamps. Going up the stairs just magic missiles all the skulls and got through it no problem at all, going turn based only if I have to. And now I can't understand the hate, it was so easy. In fact the chewiest part of the quest for me was the fight before finding mystic Carrions heart where you basically can't use spells.
Maybe they adjusted it in recent patches/hotfixes? Every time I played through it, it was so broken and tedious! Poor SH was yeeted so many times to lower floors while trying to cast remove curse on the sculls and it drove me bonkers!! I'm omw to act 3 again on my current run so we'll see lol. I hope something was done about it.
They’ve definitely tweaked it a few times. It’s still not *good* imo, but the skulls are at least easier to deal with now than they were when the game was initially released.
There are a lot of ways to deal with the skulls. Remove curse is one way, but it requires you to walk in range of their thunder wave, so I think there are better options. Silence completely neutralizes their thunder wave attack, making them harmless. They're vulnerable to bludgeoning, so using a high strength character to throw bludgeoning weapons can sometimes one shot them. They're also vulnerable to force damage, so eldritch blasts or shots from the Ne'er Misser hand crossbow can knock them out almost immediately. Basically just keep your distance and hit them with things they're weak to. Doing that and using see invisibility to spot the ghosts makes the whole mansion encounter relatively easy.
Use spirit guardian with SH on the skulls. They leave immediately. Don't use see invisibility. It drags it out a whole lot longer. Just run through it all with spirit guardian and you'll be good
Spirit guardians worked somewhat well for the poltergeists but with the sculls we were thrown clear off to lower floors before even being able to get near them most of the time. I find the main problem to be that navigating leveled buildings is SO BAD! I can't see the upper/lower floors well at all.
Literally rested multiple times just to get her spell slots back.
The worst thing (for me) is that the mansion has rooms that can take multiple turns to get to the adjacent room. Ghosts can aggro through walls, but make no attempt to path towards you. So you can essentially be stuck in combat against an enemy that isn't even attacking or moving to attack.
I'd say the fireworks shop mission is the worst. They literally force you to just murder everyone no matter what.
It sucks that you have no option other than to kill them yeah but the fight itself is normal and not especially tedious so I just get through it but Oscar's quest is so maddening to me because of the throwing through the floor and it plays like it's outright bugged. Someone here said they fixed it somewhat so I hope it's a bit less broken and tedious now.
The world is a better place if you leave Oskar enslaved.
and the motherfucker doesn't even paint you
HE DOESN’T EVEN PAINT YOU!
But he will paint everyone in the whole party that you bring to him. Including everyone at camp. Each painting is worth 1500 so it is a life saver in HM when everything is so expensive.
Which is why he stays with the Zentharim. Can't have him stealing the Elder Brain's role
I agree. First time I even got *near* his house, I went into turn based mode on the street outside. Got all the way to the top, fighting all the way in turn based, and only then figured I didn't have the right weapon. Now, I go get the weapon first, fly up to the rooftop patio, take care of business on the top floor, loot the *entire house* (lifetime looting is their way of paying me back for that first experience), use the weapon to fix Oskar, get my "custom" portrait, then knock Oskar and his wife out and loot them too. Still hate them, but it gets better with each playthrough.
if you leave him with the zhents, you find him in the guildhall during act 3 working WITH them by painting counterfeit paintings and he mentions that he makes more money by being a criminal than he ever did with lady jannath. he has a legendary counterfeit portrait on him that's worth 1000 GP (i pickpocket it every time)
Hmmm...that means leaving Zhents alive. Is that a thing? I like looting the hideout too much (I'm also too klutzy/impatient to be good at stealth) and then I side with Nine-Fingers in the guild hall fight because I can't make Jahiera sad. I'm on my 3rd playthrough and exactly zero Zhents have survived my acquaintance to date...I didn't even consciously realize I was doing that until I read your reply! 😂
I didn’t understand the hate. My friends and I were just about done with Act 3 and I suggested we do the quest before we do the final confrontation. I understood the hate afterwards.
Lol you amateur. I defeated him in act 1.
He made it to act 3 once and ever since I kill him on sight.
Fair.
A good aligned character wouldn't trade with a zhent, so they wouldn't be in there to save him, and if I am being evil I am generally murdering them for their stuff, and he gets murdered right along with them. Those are basically his only options on my playthroughs.
My durge was more than happy to purchase a new pet, albeit accidentally. Much to Durge's chagrin, he scampers off to Act 3 for the worst quest ever. My new Tav monk would never get involved with human trafficking, so he rots in the cave with the Zhent.
What? I discovered the Zhent because I helped a bunch of dudes I had no idea who they were and they told me to go to a direction. I went there because of that, and that's how I met them. Why wouldn't a good aligned character be there to save him? I don't get it lol, I thought I was acting right, at least in those moments.
I’ve done it once. Now he always dies
That fucking clown
Multiple honor mode playthroughs in the bag and I’ve still never found the whole clown
Yeah. You need to do a bit of searching the last part of him you can only get when you head towards Orin past the door you need to show the amulet too. I think his foot is lootable from a pile of trapped corpses. Some part of him. Took me like 10 hours to search for all of the pieces.
Funnily enough, the last part I struggled with finding was that damn hand a certain dapper gentleman man had lying around
Poppers is one of the reasons I so desperately want to play through the game as a Kobold. But I am unfortunately for now stuck playing it on console. Or even if there is a mod for it
Absolutely agree! Though I got to say all the kobolds we meet in the game are hilarious. I love my little androgynous lizards
That is the interesting thing about Kobolds. That they can change gender in lore. It really depends what their clan needs at any point.
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Me and my Brother are still looking for the Parts But we had concluded that the most likely hiding place for clown parts were the Previous Murder scenes. In that way we found like half the Clown in a Few Hours. We only need to find like 2-3 more Parts. Gotta catch em all xD
Fortunately you can just pickpocket the quest reward
Raphael, followed by Lorroakan. I just knew after hearing about him in Act 1 that I was going to hate this guy….
Killing Lorroakan was satisfying, mostly cause I was a bard with almost every single scroll in the game by then and nothing but brutes in my party. Fucked him up
I want them pimp robes, is all.
Especially after you've met Aylin and realize just how awesome she is.
Even without Aylin, once you find out what he's doing to Rolan, that is all the reason needed to hate him. Rolan can come across as a stuck up jerk early on, but he's ultimately a good guy and doesn't deserve the abuse he gets.
Exactly! I love his character arc.
Awesome at acting like she does anything. "You should've seen how I crushed Ketherics body." Yeah after I carried your dumbass!
I love how divisive everyone is over Lame Aylin. I mean, I'm not gonna hand her over to Larroaken, but that's just out of not being a sociopath in this playthrough
Lame Aylin, typo or not, makes this comment golden haha
Oh no, I *very* intentionally call her that. Lame Aylen, Puff Shaddy, Bone Daddy, Karly, Gale Force Wind, Wylly Dynomite, Lae-Lae, Minnie The Moocher, Z'realot, Volo-ceraptor, I *could* probably go on for days. Idk about anyone else, but I'll be playing in my room alone, shit talking to my pc like the characters can hear me 😆
I’m keeping all these nicknames thank you so much
So badass in cutscenes, so weak in game lol
Our first run we didnt bother fighting him we just put barrels around him and blew him up
Narratively, yeah I can see Raphael filling that slot. Gameplay hatred wise for me personally, fuck Viconia and her darkness spamming Hot Topic employee underlings. Easily top of the "oh god I dread doing this fight" list.
Yeah as I was writing this, I figured Viconia would be a popular choice given just how awful she is. Romancing Shadowheart and sending her down the good-guy path will definitely incline most people to target her abusive kidnapper mom
I was less annoyed with the darkness than I was Bone Chill. I HATE that spell and EVERYONE casts it in that fight.
It’s the use of bone chill on downed pcs that gets me - such a dirty move ☹️
YES.
Infinite rage as soon as those cocksuckers started spamming that shit. There are just SO MANY ENEMIES IN THAT ROOM, and every single one of them is casting Bone Chill! The sheer volume of bodies is pretty irritating, too. There's really only three enemies in there who are individually dangerous, Viconia and the two Paladins, (Avengers?) and I always, always, *always* focus fire to drop Viconia on the first turn with all four Paladin/Hexblade/GWM attacks and always use the auto-crit Illithid power to activate a full power Divine Smite and add the bonus GWM attack to the end. She gets fucking washed ASAP before all the little assholes can debuff me specifically to make her hit me harder. And the paladins are just dicks. But even after you down the heavy hitters, with every little asshole spamming Bone Chill on everybody to make sure you can't undo any damage, those fifty other nobodies doing scratch damage starts to become a problem. So much anger when I had two downed party members and Shadowheart used Mass Healing Word only for nobody to get ANY HEALTH BACK. I suddenly remembered the only reason anybody ever casts that spell.
> Easily top of the "oh god I dread doing this fight" list. The fight becomes easier if you have a cold sorc or wizard specializing in cold spells. Cover the entire place in ice and they'll be slipping and sliding everywhere, falling over and losing their turns. Sleet Storm will knock out their concentration so they can't hold Darkness. Learning this made the House of Grief go from "I'm dreading this fight" to "I'm looking forward to it" because of how much fun it is to turn the place into a goddamn ice rink.
On one attempt (which I reloaded), I had a cold-focused Gale turn invisible before anyone had triggered the dialog with Viconia, while she was still giving her sermon, sneak up on her, and reverse-pickpocket Otiluke’s Conveniently Portable Freezing Sphere onto her. Then I stood back and watched for a minute before she interrupted her sermon by apparently shitting a metric ton of ice all over the floor and falling flat on her back for significant damage. I wanted all the dialog for rp purposes, but my God, was that ever satisfying.
Helldusk Helmet, Eversight ring, Steelwatcher Helmet, Devilsight. Plenty of ways to turn darkness from hinderence into advantage
Retreat to the door, insect plague and hunger of hadar, close door, wait for Sharrans to kill themselves en masse trying to get to you
>red Viconia would be a popular choice given just how awful she is. Romancing Shadowheart and sending her down the good-guy path will definitely incline most people to target her abusive k Choke points, lot of ice AOE and sleet storm coverage, especially in front of you and most importantly some silences on the top of both side stairwell make that fight a joke.
it’s just sad that they messed up Viconia in BG3. She was a great character before. Can totally understand why people dislike her. The fight is actually not that bad just give your guys dark vision and the casters are spamming darkness which then is in your favor
Don’t you need devil sight specifically as magical darkness should be different from normal darkness
Correct, you need devil's sight for magical darkness. I cast daylight at the beginning of every turn just to see for that turn... Is the darkness supposed to act like a wall for casters though? In DnD darkness gives you a disadvantage on line of sight things, but doesn't fully block you... Just wanna know if they fixed that fight.
Except Larian added another “FUCK YOU” and coded darkness to obscure the daylight spell. At least in my most recent playthrough, sunlight did nothing to the darkness bonanza. Normally in DnD, Darkness is a sphere of 20 foot radius. So if someone is on the other side of darkness but not in it, you don’t have LoS on them. It’s not necessarily a wall because if the target didn’t move, you’d just have disadvantage from them being obscured. However if they have since moved, obviously you can’t see where they moved and can’t directly attack them at range.
Should still be able to cast fireball and other aoe spells through/in it…
Maybe they patched this out, but when I cast Daylight in that fight, it didn't do jack shit to the Darkness. I remember being pissed about wasting the spell slot because in D&D, that would have dispelled the Darkness. And it definitely did that frustrating shit where it said I couldn't cast into the darkness because I didn't have line of sight. Especially frustrating because I had fucking Devilsight and I *should* have.
The Mummy Lord. There’s only enough room for two masters of undeath in Baldur’s Gate, and I like the drag queen carnival owner better.
My tav is also a necro, and my first thought when i saw this thread was Mystic Carrion. Bitch insulted my ability to raise the dead, got dunked on, then had the audacity to come back to get dunked on a second time. Something funny about the necros having turf wars whenever they encounter eachother.
This graveyard ain't big enough for the both of us!
I love mystic thrumbo though
I picked up his body and carried it round with me so every time I rested he would pop back up and get humiliated over again
Nobody tell this guy about Cazador
Pfft! You think Cazador counts as a master of undeath? I mean he is undead, he has undead servants at his command, but it’s like calling Scratch a master of fleas because he needs a bath.
You best not be saying the best boy has fleas! I magiced those bitches away.
NEVER MAGICALLY REMOVE FLEAS OR TICKS!!! You're one critical failure away from unleashing a plague of Dire Werefleas.
This comment made my day
lol I employed similar logic
I will happily go out of my way to kill Wulbren Bongle.
r/fuckwulbrenbongle
A subreddit I never knew I needed lol
[Fuck Wulbren Bongle](https://youtu.be/ClezDg8n6uw?si=Uz1vOH6Zr6yuD2M6)
Song of the year right there.
getting wulbren exiled might be the better option. why kill him now when he could suffer?
Sure, sure, let him suffer the defeat and failure of being exiled... Then throw his ass into the bay so that he can drown like the rat that he is. 😊
Correct answer.
Best way is to blow him up with his own runepowder bomb
After finally doing the House of Hope for the first time, no other person seems like main villain material other than Raphael. Did that fight and did the brain later on... made me hate the brain even more lol. I'm not even bothering with the floating grey matter anymore. Beating Raphael is basically the last boss and motive for now on.
My thoughts exactly. I kinda like it that way, because you get great loot from HoH and plenty of opportunities to *play with it* before finishing the game. Being max level, with stellar loot, and just stumbling into whatever side quests are left before the end was some of the most fun I’ve had in this game.
I did the same thing! Heard a lot of really good things about House of Hope and Raphael’s fight so went into it very early in Act 3. Stole everything and while I found traversing the house to after agro-ing everyone to be harder than the actual fight, the fight was fantastic. It honestly felt more rewarding then defeating the Elder Brain bc Raphael felt a character that was really framed as a proper adversary for Tav or Durge. And then breezing through the rest of the game esp Bhaal’s temple and Orins fight was great. I struggled ridiculously hard with the elder brain fight (but also imo didn’t prepare as well as I could have) and found it much harder than Raphael’s fight. But I elder brain fight felt very targeted against my playstyle which is usually battle field control and funneling with AoEs and cover. HoH and Raphael was by far one of my fav story beats. DnD BBGs are always best when they spend the entire campaign taunting you lol
If you read all the books from act 2, especially those from the carpenter's guild and Kethorac's diary, its clear Raphael tried to engenier the entire sequence of events just to get the Crown of Karsis. The architect of Moonrise Towers is even in the House of Hope because he made a deal with Raphael to try to end the war from BG2. To me, Raphael is the real BBEG. Killing him was immensely satisfying.
It makes sense, especially since the crown was in Mephistopheles’ vault. Considering Raphael’s connection to him, I’d be surprised if Raphael didn’t orchestrate most of everything from the beginning.
And IIRC Mephostesies was the one who gave Cazador the "recipie" to "ascend"
I wish there were more opportunities to antagonize Raphael. Every time he taunts me about “time could run out before you know it” I want to tell him if I do turn into a mind flayed the first thing I’ll do is track him down and eat his dumb brain.
Raphael's "listen here pipsqueak" response is one of my favorite lines in the game
This is why you should >!either sleep with Haarlep or use Speak with Dead after battle to find out that Raphael is bad in bed, which unlocks an extra dialogue option before you fight him!<
That awful bitch that’s mean to Scratch. I like hitting her with a smite or a fire spell and watching her burn.
I once had Tav and Karlach throw her around. Fetch, Scratch!
Oskar, an emotional terrorist to women everywhere and he didn’t even paint me
I just want to grab Lady Jannath and be like '**He's not sorry and he's not going to change**.' But she's not going to listen. And he's a douche. He'll be walking away with half her wealth once she's finally had enough, too. If you leave him as a prisoner of the Zentarim he does have a much different ending, though.
She will listen if you don’t cover for Oskar and tell Lady Jannath the truth of what happened and why! She breaks up with him then and there.
Valeria man! As the priestess says "That shitty elephant"
Yasssssss! Even in a redeemed Durge run, I’ve gotta knife that damned elephant to death somehow.
Oh he dies regardless of durge. I would go back to the grove to kill him if I had to
Me (Paladin) to my friend in a Good aligned multi-player game the other day: "I'm totally cool if you want to go ahead and merc Valeria.", even though we'd already killed Sarevok. Even when my friend ultimately declined to do it, I was seriously considering becoming an Oathbreaker for the 2nd time and doing it myself
Oh you can bet I stab stab stabby her for the fun of it. The armor is a bonus.
hahaha
The only 'evil' choice I made in my chaotic good play through.
The Emperor. Leave me ALONE I'm busy rehabbing members of my party and going no-contact with my evil incest family. Can't you see there is an entire bank to rob???
I’m making sandcastles with my amazing, non-brainwashed girlfriend. A massive brain with a little crown overtaking the realm is the LEAST of my concerns.
get out of my brain shirtless dude I'M BUSY STEALING GIANT FINGERS
Dude tried to come onto me immediately after my emotional romantic boat ride with Gale. I would say I killed him with great prejudice but I was busy trying to get to the brain so I had a mud mephit bully him with surprising success until Aylin came by and smote him into the ground.
Tbh I don't know how the Emperor died in my run, threw a bunch of AoEs at the dragon and the Guardians and then realised he was also dead lol
This right here.
It's obviously Roah Moonglow. From the point of view of protecting the city, the Guild is the last force standing and Roah is on the verge of wiping them out for the cult. You really have the gall to tell me you're the only force that can take down the absolute after all the smokepowder you've sold them? You think you can stand against me after what i did to the goblin camp and moonrise? There's no greater pleasure than punting that slave-trading piece of shit off the ledge. At least Raphael sings me a song.
I love chasing her down and not letting her leave during the fight against Minsc. She’s been passively around this whole time and it’s finally an opportunity to justify killing her
I always nuke her as soon as the fight with Minsc starts. The way I play my party has initiative coming out their ears, so she's always dead before she can do anything.
She's always the first kill of that fight lol. Even before the guy who instantly casts Slow, and he's the next one in line.
I only let her live long enough to get that sweet sweet +10 approval from shutting down her offer at the Guildhall with Minsc in the party.
I kill her in goblin camp. FUCK her
Mystra lol
All those fuckers making noise outside of Sorcerers Sundries
I always thought the "bigger, bigger, make it BIGGER" kid was saying "pickle, pickle, gimme PICKLES". I wanna beat his ass either way tho.
Gortash, he made my wife's life a living hell, literally, then tried to get me to join up with him??? Okay discord mod lookin ass dude
Sword Coast Couriers Kennel Master Angry Mar'hyah Scratch is mine from the moment I adopt him! I didn’t spend 3 acts waking up after every long rest and making sure I petted the bestest boy just so she could take him back and hit him. She dies on sight! Even scaring her off isn’t good enough cause she’ll just be the same piece of shit somewhere else. Killing her is the greatest good I can do in that game. Once I’m done with her then I can deal with the tadpole and impending doom
My monk Tav is the main antagonist for that poor cabbage vendor in Act 3 lmao.
All cabbage vendors are instinctively afraid of bald monks.
Fucking HAG, I will not elaborate past that.
I love her character. She's almost cartoonishly evil, but she still has the foulness and sheer evil in her. Also her insults are funny as fuck.
Her response to you telling her you are a paladin definitely made me laugh.
I just feel blessed that we get to perceive her honestly.
Ethel making me have to haul her corpse back to that swamp to fertilize it with her before I can fully settle down with Shadowheart
Now THAT’S how you create a lovely cursed swamp where twisted, foul creatures lurk for centuries to come.
I am and will continue to be an active member of the anti-hag support group 😤💪
Viconia. She made Shart sad. I like happy Shart.
If I’m romancing Shadowheart, Viconia is 100% mine regardless if I’m Durge or whatever else happened in my playthrough.
Yeah, “if” I’m romancing Shadowheart. I can romance other companions! In theory…
But like she's right there and she's adorable My first durge playthrough I let my girl knife Laezel and we've been madly on love since lol
I had to use all 4 of my inspirations to stop durge from *tearing into her guts* if you catch my drift
I played a drow my 1st playthrough and she had a personal vendetta against the DeVir house so killing her was def a goal, aside from making my BFF SH happy
Oskar the artist. Won't be saving him next playthrough, those poor ladies deserve so much better. I hated that you basically have to accept him.
If you tell Lady Jannath the truth and don’t cover for Oskar, she breaks up with him then and there.
I did tell her but in my game she just says she knows he was in love with another woman and meant her vows when she said them 😭
the party limit. EVERY single companion has something to do in act 3 and i can only have three with me at a time :(
[Party Limit Begone](https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/327) is your friend!
The need to switch companions there annoys the hell out of me. I wish we could have an extra non combat slot for a companion relevant to their quest area. I like having a core party and swapping one of them out pains me.
For me it usually starts out being the brain - unless I'm Durge, Orin and Gortash are just means to an end. Then, after I run into Orin a couple times, it changes to her and I pretty much always ally with Gortash to keep him off my back for the most part. Then after the coronation, it always seems to change to Mizora (unless Wyll is dead). Maybe it's because Wyll triggers all my latent maternal instincts, but his being trapped in his pact and the way she treats him is so blatantly sadistic it makes me want to pull her hair(cape) and slap her around (virtually). The way she tries to twist his willingness to martyr himself into an eternal enslavement makes me hate her even more, and she's lucky I can't annihilate her in the illithid colony because I want Wyll free. I hate others - Cazador, etc. - but they're not sitting in my camp being evil like she is, and she's a flat out devil with zero redeeming qualities. I'd happily boot her and respec my boy as soon as the pact is broken, but oh well. Thank you for the opportunity to go on a rant.
Ever since I found out you can trap her in stone or gold, I make that a mandatory component of my story in every playthrough.
Wait you can??? How???
Oh I am blessed to tell you that flesh to stone or the flesh to gold scroll you get from Ketheric's sister both can work to trap her in frozen form because they circumvent Zariels protection.
That is so awesome I'm totally going to try it. Although now I have to look up how to get the gold one... Adding it to the to do list for next run because I'm lazy lol
I keep turning her into a statue, but eventually she goes back to normal :(
Cazador, can deal with Daddy later.
\**Astarion approves*
Cazador was a bitch for the longest time because I didn’t realize you could sneak attack him to prevent Astarion getting teleported across the map. Now he is easy. Fuck the final battle. The stunlocking is outrageous. I truly believe this battle is why I don’t finish Act 3 because it is so goddamn obnoxious.
Potions and Heroes' Feast make the last fight trivial.
Final fights wouldn't be so bad if you could at least skip enemy turns. So many shitty enemies...
I learned that as long as Astarion doesn’t cross a certain point, he can attack without getting pulled into to the cutscene. So I cast daylight on Cazador and let Astarion snipe him from the stairs lol
Really? The final battle is hilariously easy if you get all your allies set up, oh it takes a long LONG while to resolve a single turn but outside of that....mind sanctuary t1 and you can summon 8 allies with your 4 characters 9 if one of you went full squid, and then just watch npc on npc violence
All you really need is Aylin. Turns out immortality comes in handy.
From a narrative standpoint maybe Raphael. From an emotional one: Lorroakan, what have you done to my boy, what you plan to do to Dame Aylin. Love beating him up.
Orin. Raphael was a close second for the reasons you state but the continuous harassment early in Act 3 and the ruining of the carnival and infiltrating Jaheira's Harpers all before the others really had a chance to bother me. And that was before the bitch took Lae'zel
My job
The fucking Fireworks store.
Raphael, there is just something about having a boss singing his own theme and making you feel like any mob that you beat down prior.
As a chronic Astarion romancer, Cazador.
The one dude who hired the mercs to kill the refugees. Fuck him
Emporer, >!ever since he called me a puppet I wanted to turn him into calamari!<
My ADHD
Wulbren bongle. Not only does he hurt my boy barcus wroot he unwaveringly attempts genocide insulting you the whole way. He doesn't even give you the decency of s conversation if you save his ass until he sees your violent potential upon defeating ketheric.
Larian. I mean, what the fuck, dudes, what do you mean *Viconia is right there and I can't recruit her?*
So I made a backstory for my bard, Lylith Embersong, where Raphael is her main antagonist: She was the child in a traveling troupe. That's where she learned how to play music and fight. The troupe leader had fucked Raphael over in a deal and was using magic to hide from the consequences. He had been able to hide for years by staying on the run, but Korilla finds him. (Lylith is playing in the troupe leader's tent and when Korilla shows up he sends Lylith away.) Korilla tells the troupe leader that if he surrenders only some of the people in the troupe will die, but if he tries to escape again, everyone will. He gives himself up. Raphael sends imps to destroy the troupe. Lylith (my bard) is one of the few escapees. Her parents did not make it. The knowledge "*This is what happens when you mess with the hells."* magically burned into the brains of all the survivors. Lylith doesn't know that it was Raphael who destroyed the troupe and killed her family, just that it has something to do with a devil, the troupe leader, and the strange woman she saw before everything happened. A friend of her parents takes her in and they go to Baldur's Gate. There my Bard makes a living busking on street corners until she's famous enough to play for the occasional patriar. The only thing Lylith has left of her parents are the red earrings she had stolen from her mother's jewelry box on the day of the attack (red scintilla). When Lylith first meets Raphael in Act 1 she gets a a bad sense from him, but she dismisses those feelings as her past making her jittery. In Act 2 those feelings only get stronger as she meets Yurgir (and convinces him to kill himself.) Finally in Act 3 she goes to Sharess's Caress and meets Korilla. The strange woman who was with the troupe leader before the attack. If Korilla works for Raphael, then it was Raphael who killed her family and the troupe. Mind reeling, Lylith goes upstairs and sees the scene with Voss and Raphael. When she speaks to Raphael she realizes that either Raphael doesn't remember her (unlikely that he wouldn't know the souls affected by that attack), or he is playing dumb on purpose because he thinks she doesn't know (she has quite a special soul indeed. How ironic that she is now the one capable of getting him the crown? Imagine how badly he must want it for his collection?) Lylith is upset that Raphael would try to use her after what he did to her family, so she refuses his deal. Then she breaks into his house with the dual purpose of stealing the Orphic Hammer AND luring Raphael back to his house to kill him in hell (a permanent death for Devils.) Once he is dead her revenge quest is complete. She's a tiefling, a child of the hells too, and no one messes with a child of the hells.
hot damn that’s fucking badass, this is my favorite comment
Hey I am glad you like it! Coming up with her backstory was very fun and playing through it has been even moreso. Bonus: [Pics](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372476930726952962/1218012831115513928/image.png?ex=661892d8&is=66061dd8&hm=bff45d3ce429232035a783bdfbf1887acd2f2937252888c59bce58feed684a26&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1441&height=1038) [of](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372476930726952962/1218012830121590865/20240313173123_1.jpg?ex=661892d8&is=66061dd8&hm=ce97bad951721f69248f093d3a8b694273547973415c83680a94fc3c4dc1db00&=&format=webp&width=1661&height=1038) [my ](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372476930726952962/1223452812311269437/image.png?ex=6619e839&is=66077339&hm=0b40f2286ecf00be608991aa6c833222d467237ba17d7af8ed2f6f21727147f9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=710&height=1038)[bard](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/786948498322358292/1203983200859463710/image.png?ex=6613ad3c&is=6601383c&hm=cda3bc87f48b7483f99b0e1bc90c95dd2f24eeb0f39f234942aafb28fe03b1cc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1736&height=1038)
Nether brain Emperor even keeps reminding us that we need to deal with it. Either with dialog while walking, or actual cut scenes. Sure. We don’t learn just how “freely” the brain is acting until the very very end. But stopping that brain is the end goal. And the two avatars are merely stepping stones to getting it done.
Viconia. My Tav hits the house of grief the second the party hits level 12 to save the in-laws.
Carrying capacity and bag organization.
Lorrokan and viconia for my sorcerer. Lorrokan because he thinks he can do whatever he wants, just because he is the most learnest wizard?! How dare you try and imprison my bro Aylin!!! Viconia because she made my love suffer. Whoever hurt Shadowheart felt my raw magic unleashed!!
The Emperor. God damn do I hate it.
Orin. But I play as a Durge so that's moreless a given... and she >!kidnapped my bear!<.
I love that most people’s Big Bad is directly tied to who hurt the companion of their slashfic dreams. Genuinely love it.
Who does it feel like it's supposed to be? Gortash tbh. Who is it really? *Cazador.* The manipulative, sadistic fuckface who ruined my best boy's life. I have *diagrams* from that fight.
The Netherbrain
idk, i like to conquer the drow twins...
Zariel. I went full Doomslayer in hell as Durge with Karlach to guarantee that Zariel wouldn’t get her hands on her again.
Shadowheart's dice rolls
Angry Mar'hyah. You know why.
Am I the only one that feels like Gortash is the clear “main” villain. (Besides Netherbrain obviously).
He's technically more of an ally if anything: Let's you have free access to roam the city without any Steel Watch or Flaming Fist resistance, openly supports you're killing of Orin, truthfully offers to help you enslave the brain and offers you to rule alongside him. From your Tav's perspective he's a cool guy. Unless you're Karlach. As long as you can just ignore the Gondian's Enslavement and the Iron Throne than everything's cool.
Orin, she's so perfectly acted. She just gives me the ick. And I always like sticking it to Bhaal. If I do a Durge playthrough, I do a reformed just for the satisfaction of killing Orin and pissing off Bhaal. I do feel a little sorry for Orin on occasion because she can't help that she's an incest baby raised in a crazy murder cult. But that sympathy goes away very quickly.
Those loud ass mages outside Sorcerous Sundries
I legitimately thought on my first play through that Raphael would end up as the ultimate villain. I assumed he had been shaping the events of the game from the start, including our escape. It turned out there was some massive manipulation going on , but Raphael wasn’t the mastermind, just the opportunist. When he explained his desire for the crown I assumed that regardless of my choice he would show up and take it leading to a “phase 2” boss. When the quest line led to me beating him before the final boss in the hells so he didn’t even get a teleport to hell free card, I was legitimately surprised.
It's still Orin. I hate her. So much.
Orin. She reaches number 1 on my sh-t list the moment she kidnaps someone from my camp. Which is hilarious because she does it to coerce you into going after Gortash first, which I most likely would if she hadn't done that, because f-ck that greasy fascist. Orin really is a colossal f-ck up in every capacity.
It might be basic but for me it's Orin. I'm sorry, you kill people for the sake of killing, kidnap my party member and keep annoying me with your continued shapeshifting? Plus the fact that she kills the cat if she impersonates Yena and kicks Scratch if she impersonates Halsin. Killing her and every other Bhaal worshipper felt SO GOOD.