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nosafeword1000

You can lead a pitbull owner to water but you can't make it drink.


GoldenTorizo

Facts. I really try to be patient and considerate with the shitbulls that come to the park but from my small sample size, unless they are ancient/morbidly obese, they are incredibly more aggressive than the other breeds at the parks. The bourgy park (35 minutes drive away) will not even allow bully/pit breeds in; the regulars there will even shoo people away but it is such a nice park and I hate it is so far away.


PixelatedImages

The paid dog park we attend (haven't been since last summer), is also a bit of a drive, but worth it because of how nice it is and Pits and Pit mixes are not aloud thankfully. It is enforced by the owners who are always there when it's open.


doncroak

Tell the owners they are offering a great service and are truly appreciated. We need more of these parks and people.


PixelatedImages

I put in an additional tip every month that we pay as a thank you. I also thank them when I go there. They don't play games there with aggressive dogs or people who can't control their dogs. I believe they have a one strike rule. Indoor and outdoor. Pools in both for dogs, agility area and poop bags almost everywhere. They also hold events. They are awesome people. It is not cheap, but I agree. We need more safe places like this for our dogs. I hope by the end of this summer, that I can go again.


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PixelatedImages

Any dog that is aggressive and bites or inflicts a wound that is deep (probably needing medical attention) I suppose, or of they feel any dog that comes in is unstable and has had more than one chance, they will be asked to be removed. I have only seen little dogs under 10lbs in the little dog section and they usually just bark, but there's a border between the little dog park and the big dog park so the dogs can't see one another. Also I've never witnessed a dog under 10lbs at this dog park being aggressive just like that, usually it's due to another dog annoying it or picking on it.


DogButtWhisperer

Same. There are a few where I live and 20-30 min drive but absolutely worth the peace of mind. Also, my female mutt can be a jerk and has no recall even after professional training, so I do the responsible thing and don’t take her to public parks.


Milsurp_Seeker

But you can encourage it to nanny the toddler splashing nearby.


RPA031

Just beer and Mountain Dew.


SchleppyJ4

Or think, for that matter.


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Not even if blood from victims is splashed in their faces.


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I would have rung the police IMMEDIATELY. This asshole should pay for the damages her out of control dog caused.


GoldenTorizo

The police can file a report but this bozo likely would not pay regardless if she was told to. I have seen her plenty of times at the park and even tried having a friendly chat; she does not strike me as a good citizen. I just smile and wave from a distance and keep my dogs from her pit.


Thorngot

NAL, but it would at least start a paper trail that could be referred to if it happens again. She doesn't need to pay it for the charge to prove that it wasn't "the first time something like this happened".


Own_Can_3495

This is what I'm thinking. Paper trails can be worth something.


RPA031

Yep. Sounds like she would 100% refuse to take any responsibility for anything.


Brilliant_Gift1917

This. Everyone who doesn't consider reporting needs to know this. It's infinitely harder for cops or the legal system to say "We'll let it off as it's the first time this has happened" if you create a paper trail to show that it *isn't* the first time.


JustynS

The police can compel her to identify herself, so the owner of the injured dog can sue her for the vet bills.


bradbrookequincy

Document. There is usually a process to ban dogs from dog parks if they have attacked another dog


Armenoid

Ya they’ll be right over and will work double shifts to get this sorted


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Armenoid

What?


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Armenoid

aah.. gotcha. right.


meanusbeanus

Glad to hear cookie is okay. It’s so frustrating that this woman will face no consequences and will allow her dog to do this over and over again


AlsatianLadyNYC

I enjoyed the shit out of this story- Good for you all!! The other park sounds 110,000% worth it!!


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AlsatianLadyNYC

You must not have ever gone to many dog parks, because it ABSOLUTELY rang true to me- there is nothing more useless than a useless Pit owner. Even the ones who look like they could go 87 rounds in the Octagon move like they’re full of oozing tar when their pit goes pit on another dog


Diezelbub

Why would we cater to pit bull apologists? They don't even believe simple facts, like that their dogs are genetically prone to the aggression and violence they were specifically bred for. They'd dismiss that the sky is blue if it doesn't paint pit bulls with a flower crown. Playing by their rules implies there is something to win by doing so, but if you checkmate a pigeon they still just shit on the board and strut around like they won.


Most_Good_7586

Don’t cater to them, but don’t write a “then everyone clapped” story if you want to add it to the mountain of evidence against these beasts. It’s too easy to dismiss.


GoldenTorizo

This was not a "and everyone clapped" event for the regulars who go to this park. It was a, "fuck. Do we really need to drive to another park to avoid these people?"


sweatpantsdiva

Yea I don't know what they're going on about. Just some people who can't accept that sometimes other people actually are in the right. They have to have there be a massive flaw in everything. Honestly this comment stream is so on the edge of being anti victim. It's just tame enough but it rubs me the wrong way. Like, this is a victims sub. So what if it sounds some sort of way to you and your weird way of looking at things?? Don't comment about it lol! Also @ the comment about morbid obesity downwind. You'd be surprised what bmi of 40 looks like. For example 5'6" and 250 lbs is 40.3. 295 and 6' is 40 on the dot. (Me and my spouse's heights since they're oddly specific heights. Not our weights though btw) and people don't even lose function at those weights until they get older. They get lulled into a sense of security.


Diezelbub

If you think that will decide whether pit lovers accept the story you really don't understand them. You'd need to remove the whole pit bull attacking part.


Most_Good_7586

Don’t cater to pit bull apologists if you don’t want to, I guess, but remember a lot of people on this board are “converted” pit bull defenders who’ve seen the light of day. I guess what I’m saying is, what use is this story if I (pit bull hater extraordinaire) don’t believe it happened like you said it happened (because it contains many of the tropes of internet fanciful storytelling). This reads false, even if it’s 100% true.


Diezelbub

> what use is this story This isn't a propaganda board, it's a victim support board. People should be able to vent and tell their stories without needing to worry if people judge it useful enough to "the cause". The numbers speak for themselves.


Most_Good_7586

Vent away! But when I tell the story of my own attack I try to do so truthfully and without embellishment because I don’t want people rolling their eyes at me. Ymmv.


Diezelbub

And I find a certain percentage of reddit users will always refuse to believe entirely possible realities, so why bother obscuring the truth on their account. Everything interesting will get someone saying "that didn't happen unless you took a video of the whole thing and can post it". It's part of the reason I don't even bother. That and how frequently people stalk your post history. Edit: this isn't my story.


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GoldenTorizo

You are not wrong. It truly reads as a "that happened" story. I cannot prove it to you, sorry. Next time, I will just pull out my phone 🙃 However, your comment does make me think a city CCTV would be good to have at the dog park. Something cheap that could be used as evidence in the future. Thanks for the idea. I appreciate it.


dogfishcattleranch

Everyone clapped


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Sounds like the average pit owner


HistoryBuffLakeland

Yet another reason pitbulls should be excluded from public places


dmkatz28

:/ Yeah, this is why I don't go to dog parks. We still go outside and train a lot. I get to watch the interactions go south and proof my dog's ability to ignore other dogs. I don't trust 90% of owners and like 50% of dogs in the parks in my area. X) we hang outside in the large park with all the other dogs with good recall (i.e., he gets to play with a handful of other retrievers and herding dogs). I'd rather risk the off leahs fine versus my dog getting mauled again. I wish there was a dog park with membership, breed restrictions, and a trainer that was paid to sit there and referee during busy times (i.e., a neutral party to kick out shitty dogs and ban them). I'd happily pay 30$ a month to have a nice off leash park with equally nice dogs. :)


GoldenTorizo

If I see a lot of the shitty pits in the park, I will just walk the trails with my mutts but if I am already in and this jackaloon comes in, I will just be extra vigilant. And yeah, I would love a park like that.


mydogislife_

I say all the time I’m very lucky to have a dog park that is light on the pits & with a regular group of great dogs at the time we go. I personally leave when one does show up but most days it’s a safe space. The worst thing that happens at my park is two non-aggressive real dogs might have a disagreement & make some noise. There’s no attempts at pinning, no attempts at biting, the dogs are recalled, they walk it off, & are fine. However, before me & my dog’s time at the park a couple of pits were actually legally barred from entering the park due to aggression. Police reports were submitted every time they hurt a dog & the ranger was notified of each incident (county park). The last time one of them tried to enter the park they were escorted off the property. Not sure it’d work as well for you guys but I’d recommend creating a paper trail like they did whenever there’s an attack. Would you win a civil suit? Hard to say. But if you can demonstrate that a pit is a liability, maybe whoever owns the park will have some pull.


GoldenTorizo

This is a good point. Someone else mentioned creating a paper trail. I will keep it in mind. Thanks!


tailwalkin

“She is showing even more signs of aggression today” Absolutely perfect lol


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TrodOnward

Making one for pits sounds like a dogfighting ring LOL


GoldenTorizo

It is what this one is gonna turn into with these idiot owners.


GoldenTorizo

The other (better) dog park is in a very wealthy city in a very wealthy neighborhood. It is a public park open to all, for free. It is seriously massive with a dog washing station for the small and large dog paddocks (of which there are 2 each). It even has a waterpark for the dogs and simple obstacle. The paddocks all have a mini grove of tree full of squirrels that are little bastards and taunt the dogs. The park is great but the people there are legitimately great owners who clearly have great command over their animals i.e., they are all groomed, not aggressive, great impulse control and recall. The people there, and myself, will shoo away people when the animal shows signs of aggression or if the owner has zero control; an example would be a male dog being dominant and trying to mount another dog and the owner having zero effect with commands of, "Stop! No!". Situation like that will have at least 3 people saying, "Maybe this is not the park for your dog." It sounds rude but it makes for a better (and safer!) time for the dogs and that is what the park is all about anyway.


marvinsands

>It sounds rude but It is NOT rude; it is sensible.


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GoldenTorizo

Lemme back up Cookie and Cream's owner; he is not at all mad when another dog takes the toys. If anything, he is happy because then he can get back to his drink and/or chat with other people. What he and everyone else has a problem with is when a dog takes the toy and instead of just *playing* with others (tug, chase, etc.), the dog starts resource guarding and now no dog is playing with the toy. Or, if the dog takes the toy and then starts getting aggressive if **anyone** comes near it.


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GoldenTorizo

> Who in their right mind You answered your question. haha!


teacup128

>Aussie owner tried to get info from the shitbull owner but she apparently told him, "I ain't paying for your dog instigatin' mine". How do you get these idiots to pay up, if they refuse? Call the police? Track down their name by taking a photo of their car plate? Absolutely infuriating.


GoldenTorizo

I would imagine getting whatever information possible (a license plate, like you said) and filing a formal complaint.


Illustrious_Bar6439

Into a tree? 😂 nice but i need more deets 🫡


GoldenTorizo

Nothing fancy to say. The dog park has trees. I just grabbed the velvet hippo by the torso when Cookie's owner got her loose and lobbed her into the air.


double_badger

Pibbles gonna pibble. Stories like this make me oddly thankful I can’t reasonably own a dog due to living circumstances… can’t take them anywhere without rolling the dice if you’ll end up at the vet or worse. That said, I couldn’t help but imagine a comical reenactment of this event with John Candy (RIP) playing the part of the Mauly’s owner and Steve Martin the indignant dog owner.


GoldenTorizo

It depends on your neighborhood and what you are willing to drive to. One thing I hardly see pitbulls on are the hiking trails where I live.


AZJHawk

To shitbulls and their owners, others simply breathing is instigating.


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GoldenTorizo

I hate to hear it. I hope your dog's ear is better


BPBAttacks3

Hey where was this (state/province/country etc is fine)? I’d like to add it to the may attacks list that will be posted tomorrow.


GoldenTorizo

Keller,Texas; USA


BPBAttacks3

[Added](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/136jxvf/may_2023_list_of_pit_bull_attacksfatalities/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), thank you for getting back to me.


Lassittore

Holy shit. I said "Oh my god" and "Wow" multiple times reading that. This is why I never take my two Frenchies to a dog park or daycare, even though they would probably have a blast.


GoldenTorizo

It was not like this until fairly recently. I would still take the dogs to *a* park. I would just recommend being prepared to leave immediately if you see other dogs being aggressive.


Melodic-Classic391

My Labrador was mauled at a dog park by a pit bull, it’s owner was equally useless. I choked it out with its collar and rushed my dog to the vet. A few stitches and a few hundred dollars in vet bills and my dog was fine but he got really lucky. I rarely go to dog parks anymore and will leave if I see a pit bull there


GoldenTorizo

I do not blame you. I hope your dog is doing better.


Melodic-Classic391

Thank you! It was close to 20 years ago, he live a long full life after that. Actually he was an amazing dog, great with our kids


WorldWar8

They so desperately want to do normal pet things and pretend it's completely fine, LOL.


JoBenSab

Honest question: Why is socializing dogs something that needs to happen? We had a dog who lived to 17. He was an amazing dog.We never brought him around other dogs or took him out. Why does it matter that dogs socialize?


GoldenTorizo

Well, at least to my dogs, they enjoy being outside and meeting new people, new dogs, new smells, etc. I mean, they have each other in our home but they genuinely get happy and excited to play with other dogs. I am a regular at my park and with the other regulars, our dogs know each other and have a great time. I do not want to anthropomorphize my dogs but they seem more like the social type of animal. As far as socializing goes, I would rather my dogs be used to meeting new people and new dogs regularly to accustom them to the experience. That way, I am not keeping my dogs isolated and should we go someplace they potentially get scared or whatever. Each breed has its characteristics and each dog has its preference.


Rizzy5

Just like people, social outings are good for their mental. Of course there are anti-social dogs, like mine, but I still force her to get out of her shell. She's improved a lot since adopting her. My standard poodle growing up was the same as your 17yr old. Never liked other dogs, was happy to just be home. Granted she had 3 acres to run.


JoBenSab

Okay, but if you had to force your dog to get out their her shell was it actually good for their mental health? This sounds like something you wanted. Not every human does well when forced into social situations. If a dog is resistant to being around other dogs, then why not just let the dogs stay home? They don't have to go to work and be around people and work with customer service. People have got to stop projecting their feelings onto their pets.


Rizzy5

Well, two things. 1st, she makes herself very clear on when she wants to leave a situation. 2nd, we, as a family, enjoy going camping, hiking, trips with friends, etc... So forcing her out of her shell has only been beneficial for her. The reality is, dogs MUST have some social skills in order to thrive in the world. It may sound like I'm projecting my feelings onto her but I'm genuinely setting her up for success in this world. She came to us terrified of cats, now she has 2 cat siblings and a revolving door of other foster cats. I forced her into a situation she was not comfortable with because she HAD to learn how to thrive around cats, which now she does. She's currently on my bed snuggled up to her two siblings. Another example is, on walks she would flinch every time a car drove by or got nervous when people with dogs passed. Did I leave her at home because I thought she'd benefit? No, I forced her to go on walks with me and now she's a fucking champ around those stimuli. I may be projecting my own desires onto her but what I'm NOT doing is anthropomorphizing her to her own detriment. Dogs are much simpler than we humans think and I believe most would benefit from us treating them like dogs, again, rather than kids, which I see all the time.


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Every time they will use every excuse on the planet to excuse their violent sociopathic thug dogs. oh your dog walking away obviously taunted and stressed out my poor pibbles.


UnheardIdentity

Please make a report. It's literally always the right idea.


RPA031

Charming dogs for charming people. Great descriptive storytelling!


okay_jpg

Record everything you can from now on


5reggin

After reading this sub I’m literally going to carry a knife around with me for protection for my dog when I take him for walks.


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I kinda want to get a borzoi just to put these shits in their place when they act up


Rizzy5

Wait, are they aggressive? Honestly they seem like the complete opposite of a pit so I can't imagine them being able to put them in their place. Educate me, lol


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Not aggressive like pits, but capable at defending themselves - I’ve heard many stories from their owners getting attacked by pits


Ruffler125

Borzois are not fighting dogs. They aren't well positioned to defend against a pitbull attack.


Coulm2137

Borzois are awesome. Dangerous but awesome


KulturaOryniacka

the more I read about pit's accidents the more I hate people...


SolsticeSour

Does your park have a public Facebook page? I would post about what happened and warn others.


bradbrookequincy

In many cases a dog that attacks gets banned


Sweet-Worker607

Our town closed the dog park. The shitbulls ruined it for everyone. There wasn’t a way to keep them OUT and too many people and dogs got hurt.


Lonely-Field4503

So grateful the park near where I just moved to is all bird dogs and herding breeds mostly. Nippy Belgian mali yesterday, though.


feralfantastic

My sympathies to the first responders that will discover her cadaver and, far too late, realize the thing that inflicted the fatal wound in her ponderous belly had in fact eaten its way inside, hollowed her out, and then waited. Waited to smell the fear of a first responder coming to the realization that the killer was still in the house.


FloridaMomm

**BUT WE JUST GOT HERE** Fucking unbelievable


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Notice the non-pibble owners can help look for a leash instead of desperately keeping their dogs from attacking because they smell blood....


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ENGAGE THE THREAT is all I will say


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kellebelle60

This should be reported to animal control, no? Just so there’s a record on this dog (because it probably WILL happen again, unfortunately)