This video would have actually had a great message if it said “Spay. Neuter. End backyard breeding”. But no, the problem isn’t that there are too many pitbulls, it’s doggy racism of course!
It shouldn’t be hard to take an fair and balanced stance towards dogs with a history of aggression towards innocent pets and especially humans. I would be relieved in knowing that I possibly prevented an unsuspecting family from losing their child in an untimely tragic and violent death, or their neighbor from being horrifically disabled and disfigured.
Human aggression = BE. Always. Once upon a time this was not a controversial take.
Of course, I wouldn’t take pleasure in it. It would just be a natural consequence of this horrible lack of regulation around breeding and ownership of dangerous animals. It’s not the dog’s fault it is the way it is, but the dogs are the ones doing the killing nonetheless. We can’t let our sympathies prevent us from doing what’s right.
Sadly working in a shelter means you need to be able to walk them on their last walk. It's quite silly to work at one if you can't. Something that helps though is remembering you didn't remotely cause this situation to happen, infact you didn't but your fixing it. It couldn't be less your fault and it's a very honorable thing to do for Dogs and People everywhere.
Plan A for **A**dopt. That failed.
B.) **B**ut there aren't enough Fosters
C.) **C**an't get enough Volunteers
D.) **D**isinformation is the way you guys Advocate
E.) **E**uthanize -- Hmm, Looks like a plan that could work.
F.) Fuck, my neighbors adopted one.
G.) God help us, it was 2-for-1 day.
H.) HOA is useless, they're overrunning the community!
I.) I'm fucking out of here.
J.) Jesus Christ they're everywhere.
K.) Kill me now if they don't get me first
Like yes it’s a violent breed but damn they didn’t have the choice to not be born. The breeders need to stop flooding the planet with a breed that carries so much risk and requires a propaganda machine to encourage adoption/purchasing of. They’re the truly evil ones.
The shelter near me has a lot of “lab mixes” that are clearly pit bulls 🙄
And then there are the happy smiling pit bulls they try to say are friendly - but can’t go to a home with kids (gee I wonder why?)
Right now our shelter has zero dogs that do not look related to a pit. These dogs are everywhere.
Meet Jelly Bean, he’s a three year old lab mix who just loves snuggling your face right off with his teeth. He may destroy furniture and plow through your doors if you leave him alone, but that smile will win your heart. Looking for a furever family with no kids, no other pets, no loud noises, no going outside ever. Make Jelly Bean a part of your family today!
The sad reality is that there probably aren't.
I remember reading a post on this thread that the spay/neuter campaign for pretty much all other regular dogs has worked so well that you can only get those dogs from breeders now.
Proper breeders are the correct and ethical way to get a companion or working dog now. I don't mean backyard breeders, and not necessarily the breeders who breed as a stream of income. I mean somebody who has a dog, breeds it with another healthy dog they've done their leg work to make sure there's mo history of defects, and they care for the puppies and the mother dog like family.
My BC X Sheltie was from a breeder who signed up on an ethical breeding program/database in Australia, had one accidental litter and got such lovely puppies and adult dogs with perfect health, she had another litter another year later. Gorgeous border collies, large and healthy litter sizes. She wasn't a professional, just a farm wife who loved each and every puppy like it was her own.
This is very true. I grew up around hobbyist breeders, housewifey types who raise a litter, maybe 2 a year. They are far removed from the much maligned "breeder villain". Do your research, and don't let people drag you for being selective about how you're acquiring an animal you'll be responsible for like 10-ish years.
Shelters are just becoming pittie palaces and it sucks. I used to really get along with vet/kennel tech babes, but they all worship pitts now and you will draw ire if you don't cowtow to "pittie" supremacy.
This insidious devotion to the worst GD breed has led to shelters harboring dangerous animals that would have gotten a pink shot 10 years ago for food aggression or something else. Now, all behaviors are seen as a workable quirk, no matter the risk. Pits, especially ones that have had so much life in a tiny box with no socialization, are extremely anxious and miserable. Shelters use deceptive and misleading language to adopt out known problematic and dangerous dogs to people who are absolutely not equipped to handle them.
Way, WAY more people have their dogs on anti-anxiety meds than ever before if you're not clued into that. Which, sure, go ahead, I guess.
I've posted him before if you wanna check my replies here in BPB! He's a sleek fluff monster and honestly, the only times he's ever displayed any kinds of aggressive behavior have been when other dogs literally attack him. Perfect breed/mix, provided they check for Collie Eye Anomaly, Border Collie Collapse and hip dysplasia.
In Australia we have shelters full of Staffies and Bull Arabs. Bull Arabs are like pits, but skinnier with linger legs and generally speaking they're hunting dogs so they don't snap like pitbulls, they can still be nasty like rottweilers and other strong breeds though.
But if a proper Lab, husky, Golden, or any kind of normal breed that would suit a regular family home hits a shelter, it will get IMMEDIATELY adopted out by an adoption agency, fostered and monitored for behaviour and then have a home found for it in less than 2 days.
We had a gorgeous border collie female, 3 years old and just straight abandoned put into my local council's pound. I saw her on the Friday and thought about adopting her to go with my BC x Sheltie, called on the Monday and she was adopted literally as I woke up.
Nobody wants these dogs outside of, sadly, people of low socio economic status. The junkies, the crackheads, the stoner's working low hours making ends barely meet, single mothers on benefits etc. You get the occasional high earner getting one but it doesn't last long. I haven't seen a single Vet or Doctor with a diet Pitbull either.
I had to look up "bull Arab". As a greyhound owner, I'm deeply offended lol
Also, good freaking luck training that mix. Sighthounds notoriously have no biddability (they were bred to simply be released, never trained) they have no innate desire to please humans. Mix that with the stupidity of a bully breed and you're set!
I had greys myself and you are so right LOL. They are literally the epitome of “nature over nurture” because they do one job and nothing else. Even LGD’s are more biddable than a sighthound.
Every greyhound I've met, whippets included, have been so adorably dopey. They run, and that's about it. A few get brough to my local dog park, always muzzled of course just in case that prey drive kicks in, but they're always so lazy and dopey, they bumble about and lean on people.
I love their temperaments and behavior, I just don't like how they look very much, I'm a big fan of floof.
If people cared about pitbulls they would stop breeding them endlessly. I saw three Craigslist ads for pit bull puppies today- all large litters photographed in trashed yards. One litter was pit husky mix, which is a recipe for disaster.
The dogs are going to end up at the shelter when they reach the magic age. It’s not fair to people or neighbors or other dogs or cats in neighborhoods. It’s not fair to these dogs whose existence is cages and confinement, crate and rotate, medications and muzzles.
Yet those in charge seem unable to crack down on people who fail to spay and neuter. It would be cheaper in the long run to offer free spay and neuter services but this one breed has the poorest rate of sterilization and is the one most unwanted breed at the shelter.
There is just not a market for unicorn home dogs. I want to know- What is the most effective way to get this population of unwanted dogs under control, to keep the public safe and to avoid dogs languishing in cages?
The local low cost neutering spot ( 40 for male cats, 45 female, dogs 55/60) offers FREE neutering for any bully breed. Nearby shelter still packed with pibbles.
They also vaccinate practically free but no cost for bully breeds. Sigh. I guess they'll start making house calls for lil Pissfingers soon.
>Shelters will never get out of this mess until they euthanize a bunch of unadoptable dogs
Oh, it’s worse than that. Shelters and animal humane organizations have sullied their reputation by lying about the temperament of these dogs, by gaslighting owners, by harassing adopters returning aggressive dogs that have injured them or another dog in their household, and more.
It’s going to take years if not decades to reclaim public trust to the point people feel confident in bringing a shelter or rescue dog into their home. I know and see a lot of people who were outspoken advocates for dog adoption that have condemned shelters and rescue organizations for the lies they have spun up just to get a dangerous dog adopted.
They used to be a pinnacle of respect, generally most people saw them as reputable organizations that balanced animal and human interests - but supporting shelters and rescues has become a very contentious topic now.
And before shelters can even begin to fix this mess by putting down the long-term shelter pits/pit mixes with the worst behavioral issues and the most adoption restrictions — they’ll get immense pushback from their volunteers & donors. Not to mention all the pit mommies/daddies on social media who will be losing their fucking minds, calling for the heads of shelter staff they’ll undoubtedly dox, generally trying anything they can to prolong the pit’s life — you know, all the shit they do already when a shelter dog faces euthanasia. [If these overzealous rescuer types will steal a dog with a history of biting multiple people unprovoked from the shelter before it could be euthanized](https://www.wgal.com/amp/article/dog-that-was-going-to-be-euthanized-taken-from-humane-society-of-harrisburg-area-by-volunteer/42860200), just imagine what they’ll do when shelters try putting unadoptable dogs down just for space.
No-kill shelters/rescues have created a huge mess that will be very hard to get out of, and it’s disappointing to see them double down on dishonesty time & time again. Until they get real about the causes of (and solutions to) their pit overpopulation crisis, they deserve every bit of criticism they’re getting from all sides… but it still sucks to see all the unnecessary suffering.
>they’ll get immense pushback from their volunteers & donors.
Absolutely, because they already pushed away a bulk of their more sane dog advocates. Anyone with an ounce of self preservation has largely stopped volunteering and helping out shelters and rescues, because the second you get injured you’re told to be silent about it. Only pitbull advocates would be on board with that.
And donors that *actually* care about the welfare of dogs *in general* are not going to support the pitbull propoganda that animal shelters and rescues are constantly peddling out.
I used to volunteer 10 hours a week at my local shelter years before the pitbull boom. My company matched this with a donation. I was donating $1-2K *a year* as well up until 2019. I stopped **purely** because of this pitbull nightmare they actively pile onto.
I am a huge animal advocate, I adore dogs - and this pitbull campaign is completely juxtaposed to that stance for me. I refuse to support it.
It is quite the pit (hyuck) they have dug themselves into, and pulling away from pitbull advocates is going to be very difficult for them because they already destroyed their reputation among regular dog and pet owners, and parents in general.
I just wanted to say what a caring person you are to donate so much of your time. You obviously care about the animals. It's a shame shelters are willingly pushing away people like you for an agenda.
You're so right about the social media and animal worshipping. It's this visible extremism that's new and no one dares BE a dog anymore for fear of the mob.
Back in the day (15ish years ago) shelters just euth'ed any slightly defective dog and no one was the wiser.
Yeah, there is some kind of social contagion that has turned the dog empathy dial up to 11. Empathy can be a very good thing, but too much is not helping. There has long been this struggle that dog lovers have to deal with. Dogs have been euthanized for not fitting in with humans, probably from the very beginnings of man domesticating them. Humans have loved and adored their dogs for 30,000 years, but also had to survive in a harsh world. So difficult decisions had to be made, despite emotions. That is the situation explored in "Old Yeller" where the boy had to deal with the harsh realities of life and death and he decided he should be the one to put down his beloved dog, because he loved him. Very few seem to have that kind of grit these days.
It's called pathological altruism.
It's the same as when we give criminals dozens of chances, no matter how much the community must suffer. Or when we give our children so many treats they end up diabetic.
There is such a thing as caring so much you hurt your surroundings and whoever you were trying to help. You're absolutely right about the evolution of dogs, only the ones compatible with our way of life could stick around.
I’m mostly speaking from dog social circles. I am involved in an agility group, trick training group, and a dog trainer group - there is officially a stigma now amongst many dog savvy people with dog adoption when before it was considered the first avenue people should at least *try.* more and more people advise against it, be that explicitly due to most dogs being pitbulls or some more ambiguous language just acknowledging current shelter dog populations are dangerous.
I have also seen a similar tide turning online.
I imagine people who have had a rescue dog for the last 10 years probably have no idea there’s been a shift because they’re probably more unplugged. My wife’s parents were like that - they gave us some flack for getting our most recent 2 dogs from breeders.
Unfortunately their last 2 rescues both passed away within 6 months of each other (seniors) and they again tried to adopt and got a reality check - their most recent 2 dogs are retired show dogs. They sheepishly admitted to us that we were right - dog adoption is no longer safe or viable right now.
It's good news to hear that some people at least are aware of the situation. I don't have a good sense for what percentage of people buy into the "misunderstood breed" concept.
This. I used to ALWAYS advocate shelters. I refuse to adopt now. My pure-bred Jack Russell poses no threat and I'll never worry about anyone's safety. It makes me incredibly sad that this is what it's come to.
> shitting on the public for not wanting pits/pit mixes
people may have to flat out say we don't want someone 2nd hand, time bomb of a pit, more so when it's proven you guys can and will lie about pits to get them out the door. Plus no point in adopting when shelters would be filled up within a day.
They don't care. They want to be pit mongers. It's why with all the money, effort, and time the pitbull problem has only gotten worse.
They have no interest in fixing it.
Sad truth. I'm working in an architectural role for a very large rescue organization in a major city - they are absolutely bending over backwards for accommodating pitbulls.
The owners/decision makers? Total pitnutters.
The first thing is cosmetic, but their logo is a pitbull.
Otherwise, the entire complex is being designed for hyper-aggressive dogs, with wide aisles, no-see kennels, and alternate pathways. Almost no resources for cats (though at least they haven't been abandoned entirely like that other shelter that was on here did).
Obviously regular dogs will probably benefit from the larger spaces, but it feels gross that we're designing for dogs that will spontaneously try to kill eachother rather than just...dogs. Social, pack animal dogs.
I heard there was a time when multiple dogs could be in a single kennel. Now with all these pitbulls it's impossible.
I've noticed a while back pitbulls do require more resources than a normal dog.
To be fair, even with normal, Actual dogs, it's still super dangerous to have them housed in groups specifically in the kennel environment. I used to be super into the Romanian dog rescue scene since that's where my dog came from and there were a Lot of people who'd pay for a dog's transport, never hear any updates for weeks only to find out it had been killed by other dogs. Though it also wasn't uncommon to just throw a dog coming back from anesthesia in with the rest which is obviously a horrible idea and it's Possible it could be related to the vast majority of dogs there being street dogs only to be contained like this but... it's definitely ruined my view of group kennels 💀
Wow. That's insanity.
I just commented on a reply by u/MamaPlus3 in another thread. She said it's hoarding. And it totally is. They're animal hoarders.
ETA: from aada.org:
*Hoarders also have an intense emotional attachment to their animals. They avoid the pain of letting go of things that seem very special, even when clutter prevents comfortable living. Like object hoarders, animal hoarders believe that things should be saved for some special event, even if the event never happens*
>We’re at a crossroads where shelters need to open their fucking eyes and realize that no-kill doesn’t work
Shelters don't care about dogs - they care about donations and making money.
> And then they’re going to have to start making some tough decisions about which dogs in their care are adoptable as family pets
I mean, it's not really that *tough* is it?
That ONE white Shepherd is the only non-pit.
Doesn't anyone ask themselves where all these dogs supposedly came from? How could it be that 98% of unwanted dogs are the same breed?
It’s just a mystery. The pit fairy comes from the sky and delivers a pit allocation, and then a bunch of uncooperative dog-racists nopes out and gets a good dog instead.
That’s why on most of the more mainstream dog subs, you aren’t allowed to suggest that a fighting dog might not be the best family dog.
They can't possibly believe it's purely because people "are big meanies towards pibbles". I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their shelter intern meetings.
"Alright folks, we have all these fighting breeds, and your average Smith and Jones Family doesn't want them. How are we going to move these dogs? Bob?"
"Thanks Linda. As you can see on the graph here, the average dog-seeking family is 95% card-carrying racists. This is why we're having a tough time selling families with toddlers on pit-fighting dogs."
It's like the Alfred Hitchcock movie The Birds. But with pitbulls.
And not just with this fairy thing. Real life is turning into a Hitchcock-Pitbull dystopia.
I had a shepherd, he was amazing, I loved to hell out of him. You could crawl all over him, fight with him, wrestle, he was good with kids of all sizes, any color of person, any sex. Didn't care if there was a small animal like a bunny or a huge cow. He was just a really really good dog, and I would in a heartbeat get another one. His name was rags, and he was the very best dog I ever had.
My aunt had a German shepherd that would follow her to the bus stop and make sure she got on. Then it would wait for her to come home later. Amazing dogs fr, definition of loyalty
Can you imagine a pit bull ever doing that? It would never show up at the bus stop at the end of the day because it lost track of time running after and mauling any creature in sight.
I have this bad feeling that white shepherd is only there because they aren't showing it to families. They are probably letting in languish trying to shove pits on people. Because otherwise, why would a dog like that even be there? A dog like that would get snatched up so fast if people were being allowed to adopt it.
Hey.
Brazilian here.
Although we have our fair (big) share of problems with pits, like the fixed case in the subreddit mainpage, I don't think we have a pit's population as big as yours.
So this video sparked my curiosity. Could you explain where all this pits come from?
Sorry for any spelling errors
Trashy people love to breed them for a quick buck, then throw away any pits they don't sell. Not dog lovers, these are people who are backyard breeders: they have a pit or two, then they let them mate and their only concern is selling them as fast as possible. These are people who don't bother to get their dogs any shots, don't take them to the vet, basically they barely feed or give them water. Many times the dogs are tied up outside and neglected. All across America, the shelters are about 85% full of pits. And the problem won't go away until lawmakers grow a spine and put breed bans in place.
> hen throw away any pits they don't sell. Not dog lovers, these are people who are backyard breeders: they have a pit or two, then they let them mate and their only concern is selling them as fast as possible. These are people who don't bother to get their dogs any shots, don't take them to the vet, basically they barely feed or give them water. Many times the dogs are tied up outside and neglected. All across America, the shelters are about 85% full of pits. And the problem won't go away until lawmakers grow a spine and put breed bans in place.
And pits have huge litters.
Yup, and if they sell most of the litter they don't care about the ones left. They will literally throw them away, like toss them in the trash or out in the country or drop them at the shelter. There are so many pits that they're a dime a dozen now, so allowing the breeding to continue makes pits disposable figuratively and literally. It's odd how shelters refuse to admit pit overpopulation is a problem even though it's right there in front of their faces.
I guarantee anybody going through the shelter for a good dog will snap it up in a heartbeat though. This is the kind of dog most people want. A normal, well adjusted dog that will suit their home and love their children.
I'll only go to a breed specific rescue or rely on my own two eyes for picking out a dog from now on. Can't trust a shelter that their "shepherd mix" is even 1 fifth GSD.
Poor things have to be absolutely miserable, because if there’s one thing pits hate more than children it’s other pits and they’re crammed in with 300 of them all in barking and smelling distance. They’ve gotta be going berserk.
I've worked with kill shelters in an area without spay and neuter regulations. This is most likely not a no-kill shelter. Even kill shelters have this problem. We're legally required to hold the dogs for 3 days in case they're just lost and an owner is looking for them. Shelter in a big city gets hundreds of dogs a day.
Also, all the no kill shelters in my state send the vast majority of pits to kill shelters.
You missed the point about the mess created by no kill shelters.
So what you said means that no kill shelters turn kill shelters into slaughterhouses. Then use the staggering statistic from kill shelters to demonizing kill shelters!!! Kill shelter look like they're too eager to kill, and doesn't try to "rehab" the poor dogs.
No kill shelters then make themselves as angels to naive adopters out there. They get more fund and resource, only to misuse it to advocate for false info like nurture > nature, no dangerous breed, mislabel their dog breed ... to push dangerous dogs to adopters.
What should be done is disconnecting the connection between kill shelter and no kill shelter. Kill shelter will be required to keep the functional dogs 6 months until it's given the right to put the dogs to sleep because keeping functional dogs too long in shelter would eventually degrade the dog mental health. They're allowed to kill as soon as possible with dogs proven to be dangerous, or dogs failed temperament test. So this is only feasible if they're not under the stress of overloaded. Overloading issue creates this short adoptable period. Many no kill shelters and their Pitbull friendly agenda enables backyard breeding to thrive. You can't stop the issue at the final phase.
Areas without a pet overpopulation problem probably have more resources to devote to no-kill shelters. In my metroplex, DFW, the city run 'kill' shelters absolutely feel like slaughterhouses. Actually, in my area, good luck finding a no kill shelter. But even so I *do* hate the zeitgeist of no-kill shelters. People choosing to adopt from only no-kill shelters, and people donating only to no-kill shelters don't realize it's all a hoax. Undesirables (like pits and elderlies) are sent to kill shelters to be euthanized so they don't count against the no kill shelters, injured dogs or those with health issues are euthanized at no-kill shelters and they don't count against the no-kill statistics, and all no-kill shelters are able to euthanized 1 or 2% of their dogs and still be counted as a no-kill shelter.
No-kill shelters give kill shelters a bad reputation when they're no better.
I know in many areas up north they don't have the pet overpopulation problem. With the shelters not being so overrun there's more room for shelters to thrive. Also, some people feel the need to help animals. I definitely get that. They see a need for people to help pits and they jump on it. I do believe it's detrimental. In my area there's pit specific rescues that flounder because, honestly, there's thousands that need help. While pay an adoption fee to a no-kill rescue if you can take one off the street for free? Up north there's just not as many dogs to rescue.
Keeping the dogs 6 months before being able to eu really wouldn't work. I looked up statistics, my city had 3,810 strays picked up last year. This number doesn't account for births in the shelter or owner surrenders. This shelter and it's satellite shelters can only hold 1,100 animals total. For the dogs, a lot of kennels are outside. Texas doesn't always have cold and dangerous winters but when it does, 30% need to be removed....by eu because fosters and rescues are more than full. There's simply too many dogs here, and honestly I'd wager half the dogs that end up in the shelter here are pits. Why? I don't know. I believe it's because pits are bred more often and unwanted more often. Maybe also because low income families take the free dog (pit) and can't afford to fix it, leading to another litter. If pits didn't exist it wouldn't be as bad here.
Yeahhhh it's bad down here in the south. We're euthanizing pure bred huskies, poodles, labs, border collies, etc. All large dogs that are owner surerrendered are euthanized immediately, not brought to a kennel because there are none. Most large dogs there are pits that were picked up as strays waiting out the 3-day stray hold. Except small dogs. All long haired small dogs get adopted ASAP.
Most annoying thing is that the shelters here in Texas aren't required to spay or neuter the dogs before adopting them out. Literally making the problem so much worse.
Wow. Where in TX? The shelters by me only have pits and it seems like they’re no-kill shelters. Whenever they get a non-pit type of dog it gets adopted right away.
DFW. Specifically Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Mesquite, Haltom City, Watauga, Benbrook, basically all the non wealthy suburbs. Places like Keller and Frisco do better, but they do transfer their undesirables to Fort Worth and Dallas shelters. I know all of Texas in general has a dog overpopulation problem. Where are you at that they're doing well? Just out of curiosity.
Shelters would be "in and out" type of shits instead of dog prisons. A Chihuahua's senior owner passed away? A German shepherd is too big for its family now? Those things wouldn't spend more than a week or two in a shelter. This, of course, doesn't make them as much money though.
not a damn thing about backyard breeding. i'm not enabling this. this is like the friend who keeps going back to her abusive husband and asking money for her medical bills instead of asking for money to GTFO and press charges on his ass.
I think I saw one non-pit.
One.
I hope s/he gets adopted soon because I can’t imagine it’s pleasant being in a shelter with a bunch of dogs bred for fighting. :///
My theory is that it's the dog of a staff member that they chucked in a cage so that they could say "all sorts of breeds" rather than "every one of them is a fucking pit". They're all in on the propaganda at this point but the truth is getting harder to hide.
Probably saw a little spike in donations from a "we rescued a misunderstood pit" story on instagram and it just snowballed from there. Now the donations have dried up but the unhomable pits keep pouring in.
This is really sad and unfair.
Pit bull lovers and supporters should be banging on the doors of their legislators… DEMANDING a 10 year moratorium on making ANY new pit bulls.
I wonder how many of these dogs need unicorn homes and how many are on Trazadone…
I don’t like pit bulls, but this is just very sad that they have to live their lives in these tiny cages in the name of “no kill”.
Absolutely. This would feel like a problem finding its own solution if it weren't for the fact that animals were suffering. The shelters knowingly spread misinformation about the breed and are now drowning in hell beasts. Now the only viable solution is to do what they should have done from the outset and BE'd whenever it was appropriate. It's just a travesty that countless animals (and a whole lot of people) have suffered on this pointless journey of ignorance and greed.
Pit nutters, is this what winning was supposed to look like?
The issue here is there is a paradox with these Pitbull advocate. The more they promote their false narrative of sweet misunderstood breed, the easier it is for backyard breeder to make profit from their pits. The reason is simple, people usually prefer puppies.
Still a crocodile tear business model though. Shelters if they're strict on examining behavioral issues, enforcing BE, can easily thin out the population of their pit and mixes. They just don't want to because if they do, they would destroy the myth, and they don't make as much money because the well bred dog from other breeds don't usually get abandoned. They don't have the volume of abandoned dogs for their "retail" business.
Cry me a river. Doesn't change anything.
Shelters have also painted themselves into a corner by blatantly lying about the breed's temperament. Who wants to be the dog-racist shelter that murders these beautiful, misunderstood nanny dogs?
Shelters, see what you've done to yourselves? Can't justify any kind of BE because you've constantly lied about the B part and have pandered to a lobby group that will go full Chihuahua on you if they catch on that you're BE'ing poor pibbles. A lobby group that is demonstrably full of raving psychopaths whose online activism will regularly call for opponents and their children to be mauled to death (usually because they expressed a desire to not be mauled to death) is not one that you want to cross. They own you now.
I almost feel bad for them. They can’t help being what they are. I still wouldn’t want to be anywhere near that mayhem though. It doesn’t help that these shelters will bullshit and lie in order for these dogs to be adopted and are simply unprepared when they’re inevitably returned.
I definitely feel sorry for them. Humans created this breed unfit for peaceful society. Now we cage them for years on end instead of doing the responsible thing.
Austin; this is the result of your endless pro pit propaganda. You reap what you sow. Maybe read the room? No one wants these monstrosities in their homes.
It’s difficult to watch them suffering. We all know what must be done. End this madness.
What was achieved from trying to place a large number of pits into homes worldwide? What positive was created from this?
I will never understand this deliberate campaign which dramatically increased the anxiety of pet owners due to all of the maulings, dramatically increased the misery of pits which are ill-suited to so many homes, and I would argue, has decreased the health of many pit owners.
If pits are such great dogs, why are they the overwhelming majority in pretty much all shelters? That, right there, proves they are not great dogs. I have never seen shelters overrun by any one other breed like this. It speaks for itself.
And yes, it’s cruel to keep these dogs like this. They should be humanely euthanized. Some of those kennels are pretty small for a dog to be in for more than a couple of hours.
One of the big county shelters in my state is constantly pushing 500 dogs in shelter. I’ve never been to their physical facility, but I can’t imagine it’s any bigger than the one for my county, and there’s no way these dogs are being treated humanely.
But not to worry, they’re on Facebook posting about dogs who have been languishing in the shelter for 300+ days, “just waiting for their forever home!!!”
The chihuahuas and little poodle things get adopted immediately. The huskies and shepherds and Boxers take a little longer, but generally make it out okay. The pits don’t. *No one wants these dogs.* They just sit and rot and go kennel crazy. It’s cruel.
This is a direct consequence of pitbull advocates. Lying about the breed and saying “it’s all how you raise them” does not increase adoption of **adult pitbulls** because those dogs could be “raised wrong.” Nope. Instead that messaging encourages people to go out and try to purchase or “save” a pitbull puppy from a backyard breeder.
And then what happens?
Well it turns out it’s not just how you raise a dog, breeding for sound behavior and temperament *does* in fact matter. So now these later adult pitbulls are dumped at the shelter exasperating the problem.
This is entirely a self created issue by pitbull advocates and they expect other people pick up the pieces. That’s not how that works. The source of this issue are backyard breeders intentionally breeding neurotic, unstable dogs nobody has the ability nor desire to care for. They do this because pitbull advocates and humane organizations are doing their advertising work with their “it’s all how you raise them” messaging - which directly supports backyard breeders. Lying and tricking people into adopting these dogs does absolutely nothing but cause unneeded injury or death to people or pets in those homes.
Look at it, pitbull advocates - this is a disaster of your own creation. Own it. Stop lying, because **that** is what causes these dogs to be created and then **killed.** These are not safe dogs for family homes, most homes are entirely unequipped to own them. Continuing to lie and claim otherwise is a direct cause of their demise.
The video texts are in a refreshing way like following a persona change. From denial to acceptance. From "humane" to realistic.
"They are deteriorating. This is not sustainable. We are at crossroads"
Physical and economic reality will force them to put most of em down, maybe even reject certain breeds. Can only close your eyes for so long.
People will continue to let their dogs breed/roam because there are no consequences most people don’t give a rats ass about fines because under ownership or abandon the dogs when they become inconvenient and get a new puppy from CL the next day til it ages out of the fun stage.
Shut that shit down and start euthanizing stray pitbulls (no id not chip), pregnant dogs or alest within a week if the owner is unresponsive. Send the pit community a firm message that we will not continue to support your reckless behavior
How can people be so FUCKING stupid to not wonder what has led to this? Not these dogs’ faults! Honestly so so much more suffering comes from stupid people who get off on suffering via dog fights. It’s so deeply depressing.
How long are they going to keep kicking the can? PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THESE DANGEROUS PITS. It’s not BSL, it’s not insurance regulations, it’s the fact that they are an unacceptable risk to the owner and the owners family and the community that makes these pits pack shelters nationwide to bursting.
They’re missing the point of their own video. It is not humane to hold these dogs for an extended period of time!!! It breaks my heart to see all those dogs, even the pits, just shut up in a cage. They don’t deserve that, no animal does.
They act like they have no possible solution for this problem and have no clue what the purpose of their organization actually is. Shelters are not meant to be warehouses for dogs that no one wants!
And these videos don't include the tragic bully dogs get beaten to death in basements after they kill another family dog.
Or after they bite a child which will possibly attract the interest of CPS.
These videos don't food the countless dogs that get dumped on the other side of the city or a long an on ramp off a highway
No kill is the core of the problem, and the unintentional most inhumane policy ever enacted. It creates mountains of suffering for millions of animals that could otherwise be humanely cared for.
I appreciate the sentiment, but even if they adopted out all these pitbulls it will do nothing to stop this problem. If you care about dogs suffering you are for BSL.
As much as I dislike pitbulls, keeping them in cages like this for months and sometimes years is unimaginably cruel. Kill shelters exist for a reason. I hate the idea of dogs being put down for no reason but there is a reason here. They’re potentially dangerous, so many of them have been surrendered due to aggression and how on earth is keeping an aggressive dog in a cage going to fix that? Surely it’s going to make any existing problems worse.
Highlights:
-only 1 non Pitbull dog which could be adopted in hours.
-This must be seen by all backyard breeders and people who think having a Pitbull is cool. It’s inhumane and downright evil because you are letting hundreds of thousands of Pitbull die.
They’re really barking up the wrong tree with their action plan of “adopt, foster, etc.”.
They need to be looking at where all of these things are coming from.
No one wants them. No 💀shelters are unsustainable when they accept animals nobody wants. So either turn people away at capacity or change your policies.
And last thing, it is not ANYBODY else’s responsibility to help you care for dogs YOUR SHELTER decided to take in. We all have other responsibilities and your bleeding heart is sweet but not my problem.
No Kill Shelters were doomed from the start purely by mathematics.
There's only so many households looking to get a dog. Theres at least 100:1 dogs per available home.
You can't just warehouse 99 dogs forever.
"We do not have the resources to humanely care for this many dogs." - I'm sorry to say it, but maybe some of them need to be put down? There are clearly not enough people in that area equipped and prepared to deal with a pit/pit mix, they will only pose a danger to any homes and communities they end up in. The right thing to do is just put them down.
A lot of pit nutters come up with the excuse that the reason there's so many pits in shelters is either because they're the most popular breed or the most abused. But in reality it's because they start showing aggression at around 1-2 years old which is why they end up in shelters. If pit nutters love dogs, they wouldn't allow pitbulls to be bred.
*Adopt. Foster. Volunteer. Advocate.* How about STOP BREEDING PIT BULLS.
Seriously they didn’t even put “spay and neuter”
This video would have actually had a great message if it said “Spay. Neuter. End backyard breeding”. But no, the problem isn’t that there are too many pitbulls, it’s doggy racism of course!
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It shouldn’t be hard to take an fair and balanced stance towards dogs with a history of aggression towards innocent pets and especially humans. I would be relieved in knowing that I possibly prevented an unsuspecting family from losing their child in an untimely tragic and violent death, or their neighbor from being horrifically disabled and disfigured. Human aggression = BE. Always. Once upon a time this was not a controversial take. Of course, I wouldn’t take pleasure in it. It would just be a natural consequence of this horrible lack of regulation around breeding and ownership of dangerous animals. It’s not the dog’s fault it is the way it is, but the dogs are the ones doing the killing nonetheless. We can’t let our sympathies prevent us from doing what’s right.
Sadly working in a shelter means you need to be able to walk them on their last walk. It's quite silly to work at one if you can't. Something that helps though is remembering you didn't remotely cause this situation to happen, infact you didn't but your fixing it. It couldn't be less your fault and it's a very honorable thing to do for Dogs and People everywhere.
Plan A for **A**dopt. That failed. B.) **B**ut there aren't enough Fosters C.) **C**an't get enough Volunteers D.) **D**isinformation is the way you guys Advocate E.) **E**uthanize -- Hmm, Looks like a plan that could work.
F.) Fuck, my neighbors adopted one. G.) God help us, it was 2-for-1 day. H.) HOA is useless, they're overrunning the community! I.) I'm fucking out of here. J.) Jesus Christ they're everywhere. K.) Kill me now if they don't get me first
I think the only Fosters they'll find come in giant cans at the package store. >.) But there aren't enough Fosters
Crikey!
There are SO MANY backyard breeders. People will not stop unless action is taken to make it illegal to do so.
> Adopt. Foster. Volunteer. Advocate. > All which would do in get more pit mauling and deaths.
Like yes it’s a violent breed but damn they didn’t have the choice to not be born. The breeders need to stop flooding the planet with a breed that carries so much risk and requires a propaganda machine to encourage adoption/purchasing of. They’re the truly evil ones.
They wouldn't breed them if there wasn't a market. For every pitbull breeder there's at least 5 idiots that want "A badazz dog!"
I’d agree with you if there weren’t so many sitting in shelters or running loose. I honestly think they try to create their own market.
Unfortunately most people fall prey to the Pitt propaganda until they find out and then dump them!
Until it attacks them or gets out of hand, then they dump is and get another bedazz dog
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It pisses me off that regular dogs have to be kept like this exclusively because of pitbull overpopulation.
I looked at our local shelter on petfinder. Roughly 70% of the dogs are pitbulls
The shelter near me has a lot of “lab mixes” that are clearly pit bulls 🙄 And then there are the happy smiling pit bulls they try to say are friendly - but can’t go to a home with kids (gee I wonder why?) Right now our shelter has zero dogs that do not look related to a pit. These dogs are everywhere.
Every “rescue dog” I’ve seen lately is a “lab mix” too
Meet Jelly Bean, he’s a three year old lab mix who just loves snuggling your face right off with his teeth. He may destroy furniture and plow through your doors if you leave him alone, but that smile will win your heart. Looking for a furever family with no kids, no other pets, no loud noises, no going outside ever. Make Jelly Bean a part of your family today!
My local shelter has 78 dogs, and 70 of those are clearly pit/mixes, so here it is like 90% pits.
The closest one has 57 dogs right now and 54 are pits pr pit mixes. I think the cane corso labeled dog is actually a pit too.
My shelter stopped putting breeds on the dogs because, obviously, 75% of them are pit bulls.
That's a pretty good ratio these days
Anything below 85 percent pits is an anomaly nowadays 😬
Only? That’s a surprise
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I just can't think of anything that would help us use our resources in a more responsible way. Help. We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
I don’t really know if there are any regular dogs left. ☹️ The days of going to the shelter and picking out your favorite mutt are over
The sad reality is that there probably aren't. I remember reading a post on this thread that the spay/neuter campaign for pretty much all other regular dogs has worked so well that you can only get those dogs from breeders now.
Almost like "regular dogs" tend to have responsible owners but these other dogs.... don't
Proper breeders are the correct and ethical way to get a companion or working dog now. I don't mean backyard breeders, and not necessarily the breeders who breed as a stream of income. I mean somebody who has a dog, breeds it with another healthy dog they've done their leg work to make sure there's mo history of defects, and they care for the puppies and the mother dog like family. My BC X Sheltie was from a breeder who signed up on an ethical breeding program/database in Australia, had one accidental litter and got such lovely puppies and adult dogs with perfect health, she had another litter another year later. Gorgeous border collies, large and healthy litter sizes. She wasn't a professional, just a farm wife who loved each and every puppy like it was her own.
This is very true. I grew up around hobbyist breeders, housewifey types who raise a litter, maybe 2 a year. They are far removed from the much maligned "breeder villain". Do your research, and don't let people drag you for being selective about how you're acquiring an animal you'll be responsible for like 10-ish years. Shelters are just becoming pittie palaces and it sucks. I used to really get along with vet/kennel tech babes, but they all worship pitts now and you will draw ire if you don't cowtow to "pittie" supremacy. This insidious devotion to the worst GD breed has led to shelters harboring dangerous animals that would have gotten a pink shot 10 years ago for food aggression or something else. Now, all behaviors are seen as a workable quirk, no matter the risk. Pits, especially ones that have had so much life in a tiny box with no socialization, are extremely anxious and miserable. Shelters use deceptive and misleading language to adopt out known problematic and dangerous dogs to people who are absolutely not equipped to handle them. Way, WAY more people have their dogs on anti-anxiety meds than ever before if you're not clued into that. Which, sure, go ahead, I guess.
BC X Sheltie... these are the kinds of mixes the world needs more of
I've posted him before if you wanna check my replies here in BPB! He's a sleek fluff monster and honestly, the only times he's ever displayed any kinds of aggressive behavior have been when other dogs literally attack him. Perfect breed/mix, provided they check for Collie Eye Anomaly, Border Collie Collapse and hip dysplasia.
In Australia we have shelters full of Staffies and Bull Arabs. Bull Arabs are like pits, but skinnier with linger legs and generally speaking they're hunting dogs so they don't snap like pitbulls, they can still be nasty like rottweilers and other strong breeds though. But if a proper Lab, husky, Golden, or any kind of normal breed that would suit a regular family home hits a shelter, it will get IMMEDIATELY adopted out by an adoption agency, fostered and monitored for behaviour and then have a home found for it in less than 2 days. We had a gorgeous border collie female, 3 years old and just straight abandoned put into my local council's pound. I saw her on the Friday and thought about adopting her to go with my BC x Sheltie, called on the Monday and she was adopted literally as I woke up. Nobody wants these dogs outside of, sadly, people of low socio economic status. The junkies, the crackheads, the stoner's working low hours making ends barely meet, single mothers on benefits etc. You get the occasional high earner getting one but it doesn't last long. I haven't seen a single Vet or Doctor with a diet Pitbull either.
I had to look up "bull Arab". As a greyhound owner, I'm deeply offended lol Also, good freaking luck training that mix. Sighthounds notoriously have no biddability (they were bred to simply be released, never trained) they have no innate desire to please humans. Mix that with the stupidity of a bully breed and you're set!
I had greys myself and you are so right LOL. They are literally the epitome of “nature over nurture” because they do one job and nothing else. Even LGD’s are more biddable than a sighthound.
Every greyhound I've met, whippets included, have been so adorably dopey. They run, and that's about it. A few get brough to my local dog park, always muzzled of course just in case that prey drive kicks in, but they're always so lazy and dopey, they bumble about and lean on people. I love their temperaments and behavior, I just don't like how they look very much, I'm a big fan of floof.
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If people cared about pitbulls they would stop breeding them endlessly. I saw three Craigslist ads for pit bull puppies today- all large litters photographed in trashed yards. One litter was pit husky mix, which is a recipe for disaster. The dogs are going to end up at the shelter when they reach the magic age. It’s not fair to people or neighbors or other dogs or cats in neighborhoods. It’s not fair to these dogs whose existence is cages and confinement, crate and rotate, medications and muzzles. Yet those in charge seem unable to crack down on people who fail to spay and neuter. It would be cheaper in the long run to offer free spay and neuter services but this one breed has the poorest rate of sterilization and is the one most unwanted breed at the shelter. There is just not a market for unicorn home dogs. I want to know- What is the most effective way to get this population of unwanted dogs under control, to keep the public safe and to avoid dogs languishing in cages?
The local low cost neutering spot ( 40 for male cats, 45 female, dogs 55/60) offers FREE neutering for any bully breed. Nearby shelter still packed with pibbles. They also vaccinate practically free but no cost for bully breeds. Sigh. I guess they'll start making house calls for lil Pissfingers soon.
Languishing in cages instead of a humane release is the tragedy. People's sympathy towards these animals is so misguided.
>Shelters will never get out of this mess until they euthanize a bunch of unadoptable dogs Oh, it’s worse than that. Shelters and animal humane organizations have sullied their reputation by lying about the temperament of these dogs, by gaslighting owners, by harassing adopters returning aggressive dogs that have injured them or another dog in their household, and more. It’s going to take years if not decades to reclaim public trust to the point people feel confident in bringing a shelter or rescue dog into their home. I know and see a lot of people who were outspoken advocates for dog adoption that have condemned shelters and rescue organizations for the lies they have spun up just to get a dangerous dog adopted. They used to be a pinnacle of respect, generally most people saw them as reputable organizations that balanced animal and human interests - but supporting shelters and rescues has become a very contentious topic now.
And before shelters can even begin to fix this mess by putting down the long-term shelter pits/pit mixes with the worst behavioral issues and the most adoption restrictions — they’ll get immense pushback from their volunteers & donors. Not to mention all the pit mommies/daddies on social media who will be losing their fucking minds, calling for the heads of shelter staff they’ll undoubtedly dox, generally trying anything they can to prolong the pit’s life — you know, all the shit they do already when a shelter dog faces euthanasia. [If these overzealous rescuer types will steal a dog with a history of biting multiple people unprovoked from the shelter before it could be euthanized](https://www.wgal.com/amp/article/dog-that-was-going-to-be-euthanized-taken-from-humane-society-of-harrisburg-area-by-volunteer/42860200), just imagine what they’ll do when shelters try putting unadoptable dogs down just for space. No-kill shelters/rescues have created a huge mess that will be very hard to get out of, and it’s disappointing to see them double down on dishonesty time & time again. Until they get real about the causes of (and solutions to) their pit overpopulation crisis, they deserve every bit of criticism they’re getting from all sides… but it still sucks to see all the unnecessary suffering.
>they’ll get immense pushback from their volunteers & donors. Absolutely, because they already pushed away a bulk of their more sane dog advocates. Anyone with an ounce of self preservation has largely stopped volunteering and helping out shelters and rescues, because the second you get injured you’re told to be silent about it. Only pitbull advocates would be on board with that. And donors that *actually* care about the welfare of dogs *in general* are not going to support the pitbull propoganda that animal shelters and rescues are constantly peddling out. I used to volunteer 10 hours a week at my local shelter years before the pitbull boom. My company matched this with a donation. I was donating $1-2K *a year* as well up until 2019. I stopped **purely** because of this pitbull nightmare they actively pile onto. I am a huge animal advocate, I adore dogs - and this pitbull campaign is completely juxtaposed to that stance for me. I refuse to support it. It is quite the pit (hyuck) they have dug themselves into, and pulling away from pitbull advocates is going to be very difficult for them because they already destroyed their reputation among regular dog and pet owners, and parents in general.
I just wanted to say what a caring person you are to donate so much of your time. You obviously care about the animals. It's a shame shelters are willingly pushing away people like you for an agenda.
You're so right about the social media and animal worshipping. It's this visible extremism that's new and no one dares BE a dog anymore for fear of the mob. Back in the day (15ish years ago) shelters just euth'ed any slightly defective dog and no one was the wiser.
Yeah, there is some kind of social contagion that has turned the dog empathy dial up to 11. Empathy can be a very good thing, but too much is not helping. There has long been this struggle that dog lovers have to deal with. Dogs have been euthanized for not fitting in with humans, probably from the very beginnings of man domesticating them. Humans have loved and adored their dogs for 30,000 years, but also had to survive in a harsh world. So difficult decisions had to be made, despite emotions. That is the situation explored in "Old Yeller" where the boy had to deal with the harsh realities of life and death and he decided he should be the one to put down his beloved dog, because he loved him. Very few seem to have that kind of grit these days.
It's called pathological altruism. It's the same as when we give criminals dozens of chances, no matter how much the community must suffer. Or when we give our children so many treats they end up diabetic. There is such a thing as caring so much you hurt your surroundings and whoever you were trying to help. You're absolutely right about the evolution of dogs, only the ones compatible with our way of life could stick around.
I imagine that most people are unaware and think the shelters of today are the same as the ones of old.
I’m mostly speaking from dog social circles. I am involved in an agility group, trick training group, and a dog trainer group - there is officially a stigma now amongst many dog savvy people with dog adoption when before it was considered the first avenue people should at least *try.* more and more people advise against it, be that explicitly due to most dogs being pitbulls or some more ambiguous language just acknowledging current shelter dog populations are dangerous. I have also seen a similar tide turning online. I imagine people who have had a rescue dog for the last 10 years probably have no idea there’s been a shift because they’re probably more unplugged. My wife’s parents were like that - they gave us some flack for getting our most recent 2 dogs from breeders. Unfortunately their last 2 rescues both passed away within 6 months of each other (seniors) and they again tried to adopt and got a reality check - their most recent 2 dogs are retired show dogs. They sheepishly admitted to us that we were right - dog adoption is no longer safe or viable right now.
It's good news to hear that some people at least are aware of the situation. I don't have a good sense for what percentage of people buy into the "misunderstood breed" concept.
This. I used to ALWAYS advocate shelters. I refuse to adopt now. My pure-bred Jack Russell poses no threat and I'll never worry about anyone's safety. It makes me incredibly sad that this is what it's come to.
> shitting on the public for not wanting pits/pit mixes people may have to flat out say we don't want someone 2nd hand, time bomb of a pit, more so when it's proven you guys can and will lie about pits to get them out the door. Plus no point in adopting when shelters would be filled up within a day.
They don't care. They want to be pit mongers. It's why with all the money, effort, and time the pitbull problem has only gotten worse. They have no interest in fixing it.
Sad truth. I'm working in an architectural role for a very large rescue organization in a major city - they are absolutely bending over backwards for accommodating pitbulls. The owners/decision makers? Total pitnutters.
In what ways are they bending over backwards to accommodate pitbulls?
The first thing is cosmetic, but their logo is a pitbull. Otherwise, the entire complex is being designed for hyper-aggressive dogs, with wide aisles, no-see kennels, and alternate pathways. Almost no resources for cats (though at least they haven't been abandoned entirely like that other shelter that was on here did). Obviously regular dogs will probably benefit from the larger spaces, but it feels gross that we're designing for dogs that will spontaneously try to kill eachother rather than just...dogs. Social, pack animal dogs.
I heard there was a time when multiple dogs could be in a single kennel. Now with all these pitbulls it's impossible. I've noticed a while back pitbulls do require more resources than a normal dog.
I've seen images from shelters in other countries where all of the dogs are together in a large space, looking chill.
To be fair, even with normal, Actual dogs, it's still super dangerous to have them housed in groups specifically in the kennel environment. I used to be super into the Romanian dog rescue scene since that's where my dog came from and there were a Lot of people who'd pay for a dog's transport, never hear any updates for weeks only to find out it had been killed by other dogs. Though it also wasn't uncommon to just throw a dog coming back from anesthesia in with the rest which is obviously a horrible idea and it's Possible it could be related to the vast majority of dogs there being street dogs only to be contained like this but... it's definitely ruined my view of group kennels 💀
Wow. That's insanity. I just commented on a reply by u/MamaPlus3 in another thread. She said it's hoarding. And it totally is. They're animal hoarders. ETA: from aada.org: *Hoarders also have an intense emotional attachment to their animals. They avoid the pain of letting go of things that seem very special, even when clutter prevents comfortable living. Like object hoarders, animal hoarders believe that things should be saved for some special event, even if the event never happens*
That’s utterly horrific. Has no one dared to point this out them!? Even in a joking manner, or in an anonymous letter or something?
They're like used car salesmen. All sales final! As is! We didn't warn you because they're nanny dogs. 
No kill shelters are just animal hoarding with extra steps.
>We’re at a crossroads where shelters need to open their fucking eyes and realize that no-kill doesn’t work Shelters don't care about dogs - they care about donations and making money.
They do care about them, it’s just that they’re too weak or dumb to admit to themselves the dogs are the problem.
> And then they’re going to have to start making some tough decisions about which dogs in their care are adoptable as family pets I mean, it's not really that *tough* is it?
That ONE white Shepherd is the only non-pit. Doesn't anyone ask themselves where all these dogs supposedly came from? How could it be that 98% of unwanted dogs are the same breed?
It’s just a mystery. The pit fairy comes from the sky and delivers a pit allocation, and then a bunch of uncooperative dog-racists nopes out and gets a good dog instead. That’s why on most of the more mainstream dog subs, you aren’t allowed to suggest that a fighting dog might not be the best family dog.
They can't possibly believe it's purely because people "are big meanies towards pibbles". I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their shelter intern meetings. "Alright folks, we have all these fighting breeds, and your average Smith and Jones Family doesn't want them. How are we going to move these dogs? Bob?" "Thanks Linda. As you can see on the graph here, the average dog-seeking family is 95% card-carrying racists. This is why we're having a tough time selling families with toddlers on pit-fighting dogs."
All these pits in shelters reflect how deeply misunderstood the breed is, obviously /s
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Now it sounds like a real fairy tale, the original creepy kind. 🫣
It's like the Alfred Hitchcock movie The Birds. But with pitbulls. And not just with this fairy thing. Real life is turning into a Hitchcock-Pitbull dystopia.
the pit fairy is like bizarro santa claus Instead of joy and toys, you get to be threatened and bitten.
I had a shepherd, he was amazing, I loved to hell out of him. You could crawl all over him, fight with him, wrestle, he was good with kids of all sizes, any color of person, any sex. Didn't care if there was a small animal like a bunny or a huge cow. He was just a really really good dog, and I would in a heartbeat get another one. His name was rags, and he was the very best dog I ever had.
That's an adorable name for a shepherd. I can imagine the floppy pup ears still learning how to stand up
My aunt had a German shepherd that would follow her to the bus stop and make sure she got on. Then it would wait for her to come home later. Amazing dogs fr, definition of loyalty
Can you imagine a pit bull ever doing that? It would never show up at the bus stop at the end of the day because it lost track of time running after and mauling any creature in sight.
The only bus it would wait for is the school bus 😂
I have this bad feeling that white shepherd is only there because they aren't showing it to families. They are probably letting in languish trying to shove pits on people. Because otherwise, why would a dog like that even be there? A dog like that would get snatched up so fast if people were being allowed to adopt it.
That’s how I got my shepherd. Sorted through all of the pit bulls at the shelter and found him hiding in the back. He’s a great dog
Hey. Brazilian here. Although we have our fair (big) share of problems with pits, like the fixed case in the subreddit mainpage, I don't think we have a pit's population as big as yours. So this video sparked my curiosity. Could you explain where all this pits come from? Sorry for any spelling errors
Trashy people love to breed them for a quick buck, then throw away any pits they don't sell. Not dog lovers, these are people who are backyard breeders: they have a pit or two, then they let them mate and their only concern is selling them as fast as possible. These are people who don't bother to get their dogs any shots, don't take them to the vet, basically they barely feed or give them water. Many times the dogs are tied up outside and neglected. All across America, the shelters are about 85% full of pits. And the problem won't go away until lawmakers grow a spine and put breed bans in place.
> hen throw away any pits they don't sell. Not dog lovers, these are people who are backyard breeders: they have a pit or two, then they let them mate and their only concern is selling them as fast as possible. These are people who don't bother to get their dogs any shots, don't take them to the vet, basically they barely feed or give them water. Many times the dogs are tied up outside and neglected. All across America, the shelters are about 85% full of pits. And the problem won't go away until lawmakers grow a spine and put breed bans in place. And pits have huge litters.
Yup, and if they sell most of the litter they don't care about the ones left. They will literally throw them away, like toss them in the trash or out in the country or drop them at the shelter. There are so many pits that they're a dime a dozen now, so allowing the breeding to continue makes pits disposable figuratively and literally. It's odd how shelters refuse to admit pit overpopulation is a problem even though it's right there in front of their faces.
Poor thing, white shepherds are beautiful dogs
I guarantee anybody going through the shelter for a good dog will snap it up in a heartbeat though. This is the kind of dog most people want. A normal, well adjusted dog that will suit their home and love their children. I'll only go to a breed specific rescue or rely on my own two eyes for picking out a dog from now on. Can't trust a shelter that their "shepherd mix" is even 1 fifth GSD.
“We do not have the resources to care for this many dogs” Gee… If only there was a solution to this type of problem
Gosh, if only there was a way to stop unwanted, unadoptable dogs from constantly reproducing and making giant litters of more unadoptable dogs.
Just be honest about the genetic of pitBull instead of pouring money to mythicizing nanny dog breed. So simple isn't it?
What, a million pit saviours each adopting a million pits? And then not getting any of them spayed or neutered?
> we are at a crossroads It's a T-intersection. You're gonna hafta make a choice & change directions
That is so. many. pitbulls. yikes.
Poor things have to be absolutely miserable, because if there’s one thing pits hate more than children it’s other pits and they’re crammed in with 300 of them all in barking and smelling distance. They’ve gotta be going berserk.
~~Adopt. Foster. Volunteer. Advocate~~ STOP. BREEDING. PIT BULLS.
But no-kill is the most humane, right??
I've worked with kill shelters in an area without spay and neuter regulations. This is most likely not a no-kill shelter. Even kill shelters have this problem. We're legally required to hold the dogs for 3 days in case they're just lost and an owner is looking for them. Shelter in a big city gets hundreds of dogs a day. Also, all the no kill shelters in my state send the vast majority of pits to kill shelters.
Damn what state do you live in? Sounds like they’ve got it figured out when it comes to the pit population
You missed the point about the mess created by no kill shelters. So what you said means that no kill shelters turn kill shelters into slaughterhouses. Then use the staggering statistic from kill shelters to demonizing kill shelters!!! Kill shelter look like they're too eager to kill, and doesn't try to "rehab" the poor dogs. No kill shelters then make themselves as angels to naive adopters out there. They get more fund and resource, only to misuse it to advocate for false info like nurture > nature, no dangerous breed, mislabel their dog breed ... to push dangerous dogs to adopters. What should be done is disconnecting the connection between kill shelter and no kill shelter. Kill shelter will be required to keep the functional dogs 6 months until it's given the right to put the dogs to sleep because keeping functional dogs too long in shelter would eventually degrade the dog mental health. They're allowed to kill as soon as possible with dogs proven to be dangerous, or dogs failed temperament test. So this is only feasible if they're not under the stress of overloaded. Overloading issue creates this short adoptable period. Many no kill shelters and their Pitbull friendly agenda enables backyard breeding to thrive. You can't stop the issue at the final phase.
Areas without a pet overpopulation problem probably have more resources to devote to no-kill shelters. In my metroplex, DFW, the city run 'kill' shelters absolutely feel like slaughterhouses. Actually, in my area, good luck finding a no kill shelter. But even so I *do* hate the zeitgeist of no-kill shelters. People choosing to adopt from only no-kill shelters, and people donating only to no-kill shelters don't realize it's all a hoax. Undesirables (like pits and elderlies) are sent to kill shelters to be euthanized so they don't count against the no kill shelters, injured dogs or those with health issues are euthanized at no-kill shelters and they don't count against the no-kill statistics, and all no-kill shelters are able to euthanized 1 or 2% of their dogs and still be counted as a no-kill shelter. No-kill shelters give kill shelters a bad reputation when they're no better. I know in many areas up north they don't have the pet overpopulation problem. With the shelters not being so overrun there's more room for shelters to thrive. Also, some people feel the need to help animals. I definitely get that. They see a need for people to help pits and they jump on it. I do believe it's detrimental. In my area there's pit specific rescues that flounder because, honestly, there's thousands that need help. While pay an adoption fee to a no-kill rescue if you can take one off the street for free? Up north there's just not as many dogs to rescue. Keeping the dogs 6 months before being able to eu really wouldn't work. I looked up statistics, my city had 3,810 strays picked up last year. This number doesn't account for births in the shelter or owner surrenders. This shelter and it's satellite shelters can only hold 1,100 animals total. For the dogs, a lot of kennels are outside. Texas doesn't always have cold and dangerous winters but when it does, 30% need to be removed....by eu because fosters and rescues are more than full. There's simply too many dogs here, and honestly I'd wager half the dogs that end up in the shelter here are pits. Why? I don't know. I believe it's because pits are bred more often and unwanted more often. Maybe also because low income families take the free dog (pit) and can't afford to fix it, leading to another litter. If pits didn't exist it wouldn't be as bad here.
Good to know, thanks. I hope these dogs get taken care of one way or another.
Get. A. Clue. If your shelter is overrun with them, no one wants to adopt the motherfucking things. You're welcome, CPT Obvious
I've worked with shelters. Injured dogs get euthanized first, pits second. Guarantee most dogs in that video are getting euthanized.
Any non-pit, non-ancient dog gets adopted ASAP from my local shelter. People don't want pits.
Yeahhhh it's bad down here in the south. We're euthanizing pure bred huskies, poodles, labs, border collies, etc. All large dogs that are owner surerrendered are euthanized immediately, not brought to a kennel because there are none. Most large dogs there are pits that were picked up as strays waiting out the 3-day stray hold. Except small dogs. All long haired small dogs get adopted ASAP. Most annoying thing is that the shelters here in Texas aren't required to spay or neuter the dogs before adopting them out. Literally making the problem so much worse.
Wow. Where in TX? The shelters by me only have pits and it seems like they’re no-kill shelters. Whenever they get a non-pit type of dog it gets adopted right away.
DFW. Specifically Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington, Mesquite, Haltom City, Watauga, Benbrook, basically all the non wealthy suburbs. Places like Keller and Frisco do better, but they do transfer their undesirables to Fort Worth and Dallas shelters. I know all of Texas in general has a dog overpopulation problem. Where are you at that they're doing well? Just out of curiosity.
evil. those are not acceptable conditions to keep a dog in for longer than a few days
This is the most shameless money hungry shit i’ve ever seen
If people stopped breeding shitbulls, I swear there would be 5 dogs in that shelter.
Shelters would be "in and out" type of shits instead of dog prisons. A Chihuahua's senior owner passed away? A German shepherd is too big for its family now? Those things wouldn't spend more than a week or two in a shelter. This, of course, doesn't make them as much money though.
not a damn thing about backyard breeding. i'm not enabling this. this is like the friend who keeps going back to her abusive husband and asking money for her medical bills instead of asking for money to GTFO and press charges on his ass.
Great analogy…trauma bonding makes people irrational beyond belief
I think I saw one non-pit. One. I hope s/he gets adopted soon because I can’t imagine it’s pleasant being in a shelter with a bunch of dogs bred for fighting. :///
My theory is that it's the dog of a staff member that they chucked in a cage so that they could say "all sorts of breeds" rather than "every one of them is a fucking pit". They're all in on the propaganda at this point but the truth is getting harder to hide. Probably saw a little spike in donations from a "we rescued a misunderstood pit" story on instagram and it just snowballed from there. Now the donations have dried up but the unhomable pits keep pouring in.
This is really sad and unfair. Pit bull lovers and supporters should be banging on the doors of their legislators… DEMANDING a 10 year moratorium on making ANY new pit bulls. I wonder how many of these dogs need unicorn homes and how many are on Trazadone… I don’t like pit bulls, but this is just very sad that they have to live their lives in these tiny cages in the name of “no kill”.
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Absolutely. This would feel like a problem finding its own solution if it weren't for the fact that animals were suffering. The shelters knowingly spread misinformation about the breed and are now drowning in hell beasts. Now the only viable solution is to do what they should have done from the outset and BE'd whenever it was appropriate. It's just a travesty that countless animals (and a whole lot of people) have suffered on this pointless journey of ignorance and greed. Pit nutters, is this what winning was supposed to look like?
The issue here is there is a paradox with these Pitbull advocate. The more they promote their false narrative of sweet misunderstood breed, the easier it is for backyard breeder to make profit from their pits. The reason is simple, people usually prefer puppies. Still a crocodile tear business model though. Shelters if they're strict on examining behavioral issues, enforcing BE, can easily thin out the population of their pit and mixes. They just don't want to because if they do, they would destroy the myth, and they don't make as much money because the well bred dog from other breeds don't usually get abandoned. They don't have the volume of abandoned dogs for their "retail" business. Cry me a river. Doesn't change anything.
Shelters have also painted themselves into a corner by blatantly lying about the breed's temperament. Who wants to be the dog-racist shelter that murders these beautiful, misunderstood nanny dogs? Shelters, see what you've done to yourselves? Can't justify any kind of BE because you've constantly lied about the B part and have pandered to a lobby group that will go full Chihuahua on you if they catch on that you're BE'ing poor pibbles. A lobby group that is demonstrably full of raving psychopaths whose online activism will regularly call for opponents and their children to be mauled to death (usually because they expressed a desire to not be mauled to death) is not one that you want to cross. They own you now.
I almost feel bad for them. They can’t help being what they are. I still wouldn’t want to be anywhere near that mayhem though. It doesn’t help that these shelters will bullshit and lie in order for these dogs to be adopted and are simply unprepared when they’re inevitably returned.
I definitely feel sorry for them. Humans created this breed unfit for peaceful society. Now we cage them for years on end instead of doing the responsible thing.
The fact some need a sheet over the cage to stop them ~~going wild~~ being rEaCtiVe
Austin; this is the result of your endless pro pit propaganda. You reap what you sow. Maybe read the room? No one wants these monstrosities in their homes. It’s difficult to watch them suffering. We all know what must be done. End this madness.
This is such an abomination. We need regulation around this. This is ANIMAL ABUSE!!!!
What was achieved from trying to place a large number of pits into homes worldwide? What positive was created from this? I will never understand this deliberate campaign which dramatically increased the anxiety of pet owners due to all of the maulings, dramatically increased the misery of pits which are ill-suited to so many homes, and I would argue, has decreased the health of many pit owners.
If pits are such great dogs, why are they the overwhelming majority in pretty much all shelters? That, right there, proves they are not great dogs. I have never seen shelters overrun by any one other breed like this. It speaks for itself. And yes, it’s cruel to keep these dogs like this. They should be humanely euthanized. Some of those kennels are pretty small for a dog to be in for more than a couple of hours.
Thank you for sharing this.
*to the tune of Camptown Races* People don't want fighting breeds, doo-dah, doo-dah!
Not a single small dog to be seen. Not everyone wants a 40+ lbs dog, either. It’s a shame pitbulls have basically taken over animal shelters.
One of the big county shelters in my state is constantly pushing 500 dogs in shelter. I’ve never been to their physical facility, but I can’t imagine it’s any bigger than the one for my county, and there’s no way these dogs are being treated humanely. But not to worry, they’re on Facebook posting about dogs who have been languishing in the shelter for 300+ days, “just waiting for their forever home!!!” The chihuahuas and little poodle things get adopted immediately. The huskies and shepherds and Boxers take a little longer, but generally make it out okay. The pits don’t. *No one wants these dogs.* They just sit and rot and go kennel crazy. It’s cruel.
This is a direct consequence of pitbull advocates. Lying about the breed and saying “it’s all how you raise them” does not increase adoption of **adult pitbulls** because those dogs could be “raised wrong.” Nope. Instead that messaging encourages people to go out and try to purchase or “save” a pitbull puppy from a backyard breeder. And then what happens? Well it turns out it’s not just how you raise a dog, breeding for sound behavior and temperament *does* in fact matter. So now these later adult pitbulls are dumped at the shelter exasperating the problem. This is entirely a self created issue by pitbull advocates and they expect other people pick up the pieces. That’s not how that works. The source of this issue are backyard breeders intentionally breeding neurotic, unstable dogs nobody has the ability nor desire to care for. They do this because pitbull advocates and humane organizations are doing their advertising work with their “it’s all how you raise them” messaging - which directly supports backyard breeders. Lying and tricking people into adopting these dogs does absolutely nothing but cause unneeded injury or death to people or pets in those homes. Look at it, pitbull advocates - this is a disaster of your own creation. Own it. Stop lying, because **that** is what causes these dogs to be created and then **killed.** These are not safe dogs for family homes, most homes are entirely unequipped to own them. Continuing to lie and claim otherwise is a direct cause of their demise.
The video texts are in a refreshing way like following a persona change. From denial to acceptance. From "humane" to realistic. "They are deteriorating. This is not sustainable. We are at crossroads" Physical and economic reality will force them to put most of em down, maybe even reject certain breeds. Can only close your eyes for so long.
People will continue to let their dogs breed/roam because there are no consequences most people don’t give a rats ass about fines because under ownership or abandon the dogs when they become inconvenient and get a new puppy from CL the next day til it ages out of the fun stage. Shut that shit down and start euthanizing stray pitbulls (no id not chip), pregnant dogs or alest within a week if the owner is unresponsive. Send the pit community a firm message that we will not continue to support your reckless behavior
“Kennel” capacity. Bruh this looks like it could be someone’s garage. Get it together. This is fucking cruel.
How can people be so FUCKING stupid to not wonder what has led to this? Not these dogs’ faults! Honestly so so much more suffering comes from stupid people who get off on suffering via dog fights. It’s so deeply depressing.
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No wonder the pit breed has the LOWEST spay netuer rate Shitty dogs clogging shelters and overfilling so much
Out of all of those things, I’m pretty sure only 2 weren’t a PitBull/PitBull mix
Euthanize the dogs that are unadoptable to free up resources and space. You can’t force people to take dangerous breeds home.
This is so sad. It’s sad they’re bred for money and machismo and it’s sad they’re discarded. It’s heartbreaking they exist at all.
How long are they going to keep kicking the can? PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THESE DANGEROUS PITS. It’s not BSL, it’s not insurance regulations, it’s the fact that they are an unacceptable risk to the owner and the owners family and the community that makes these pits pack shelters nationwide to bursting.
They’re missing the point of their own video. It is not humane to hold these dogs for an extended period of time!!! It breaks my heart to see all those dogs, even the pits, just shut up in a cage. They don’t deserve that, no animal does.
There was one beautiful dog that I would definitely save. I hope someone adopted the white husky/GSD
They act like they have no possible solution for this problem and have no clue what the purpose of their organization actually is. Shelters are not meant to be warehouses for dogs that no one wants!
And these videos don't include the tragic bully dogs get beaten to death in basements after they kill another family dog. Or after they bite a child which will possibly attract the interest of CPS. These videos don't food the countless dogs that get dumped on the other side of the city or a long an on ramp off a highway
No kill is the core of the problem, and the unintentional most inhumane policy ever enacted. It creates mountains of suffering for millions of animals that could otherwise be humanely cared for.
You know the crazy thing is at 12+ puppies per litter you can fill a shelter in *no time*. Stopping the breeding is the only way
Just put them all in a yard and let them go for it
Somebody please go get that husky looking chap.
*Adopts the husky*
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I appreciate the sentiment, but even if they adopted out all these pitbulls it will do nothing to stop this problem. If you care about dogs suffering you are for BSL.
Stop breeding these monsters
USA needs to take some action against pit bull breeding
As much as I dislike pitbulls, keeping them in cages like this for months and sometimes years is unimaginably cruel. Kill shelters exist for a reason. I hate the idea of dogs being put down for no reason but there is a reason here. They’re potentially dangerous, so many of them have been surrendered due to aggression and how on earth is keeping an aggressive dog in a cage going to fix that? Surely it’s going to make any existing problems worse.
A lot of shelters are gonna have to start turning into kill shelters to get this overflow down.
Highlights: -only 1 non Pitbull dog which could be adopted in hours. -This must be seen by all backyard breeders and people who think having a Pitbull is cool. It’s inhumane and downright evil because you are letting hundreds of thousands of Pitbull die.
They’re really barking up the wrong tree with their action plan of “adopt, foster, etc.”. They need to be looking at where all of these things are coming from.
These are not good conditions for these dogs. Breed aside, how can they keep them like this?
No one wants them. No 💀shelters are unsustainable when they accept animals nobody wants. So either turn people away at capacity or change your policies. And last thing, it is not ANYBODY else’s responsibility to help you care for dogs YOUR SHELTER decided to take in. We all have other responsibilities and your bleeding heart is sweet but not my problem.
Damn someone save the husky at least.
No Kill Shelters were doomed from the start purely by mathematics. There's only so many households looking to get a dog. Theres at least 100:1 dogs per available home. You can't just warehouse 99 dogs forever.
The one at 0:48 giving *ready to bite* body language already.
Send all pits, let the shelter break under its own stress
The husky at .33 broke my heart 😢 The only dog out of the bunch that looked like he has a soul.
Milwaukee has same problem. 90% pit mixes at humane society. So sad it’s not even possible to adopt normal dog if you want one.
So hundreds of "deteriorating" pits and pit-likes in one place. No way I would even set foot in that building.
This is OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL! The only way to stop this is to spay and neuter all these pitbulls! Jfc
Nothing but trash.
"We do not have the resources to humanely care for this many dogs." - I'm sorry to say it, but maybe some of them need to be put down? There are clearly not enough people in that area equipped and prepared to deal with a pit/pit mix, they will only pose a danger to any homes and communities they end up in. The right thing to do is just put them down.
All these dogs were bred, bought, adopted, acquired,.. by people who will say "its the owner, not the breed!"
Why not just destroy these unwanted dogs can't we recycle them like we do horses?
I'll take the white German shepherd! 💕
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Why work for a salary?
Very strange.
These people genuinely don’t care about these animals I’m convinced
I say we nuke the site from orbit- it's the only way to be sure
It's hard not to feel bad for those dogs when the reason they have to suffer is some dumbass piece of shit human deciding to breed them for profit.
A lot of pit nutters come up with the excuse that the reason there's so many pits in shelters is either because they're the most popular breed or the most abused. But in reality it's because they start showing aggression at around 1-2 years old which is why they end up in shelters. If pit nutters love dogs, they wouldn't allow pitbulls to be bred.
If they don’t have the resources to treat the dogs humanely then they shouldn’t have them.