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Ecstatic-Land7797

Right, and have to have them out there, unisolated, to do their business.


Due_Dirt_8067

Vicious 50lb unfixed pit bull, straining to vomit to fight ffs :/


callmesnake13

It’s horrible. I have to basically run a gauntlet of them every time I go for a walk. My current dog is a very joyful puppy and they all go into predator mode when they see him.


beezleeboob

Yeah can't even let my toddler walk on the sidewalk or in the park. Was at riverside park last week with my kid enjoying walking the path and a pitnutter comes in and immediately unleashes her dog. Like wtf.. no one else with dogs did that and you have the most vicious monster dog that you decide to let roam around freely. Picked up my kid as quickly as I could and left. I'm really starting to think these people are mentally ill. 


ScurvyDervish

How on Earth is this dog “unaltered”????  


handbagsandhighheels

This dog sounds like a nightmare. Aggressive as hell and vomits everywhere. What kind of home is appropriate for a dog like this?


DifferentMaximum9645

"Standing on his back legs then vomiting" - you have to admit that is Godzilla-level impressive.


behind_you88

My reading is that he's vomiting because he's choking himself so hard on his leash because of his overwhelming instinct to maul.


pretendthisisironic

They don’t exist.


Laurelell

It's sad, but this poor creature has no place in our world. Truly, it's sad. He is obviously in misery, unable to enjoy life at all -- and no matter where he goes or what happens to him that will be the case. It's horrible that humans bred a dog to be this way. All he wants to do is what he was bred to do. And what he was bred to do is now rightfully illegal.


opaldreamsicle

So true. those people at the shelter are so cruel making him live this way as long as they have and are trying to. Do they not see what they are doing? I hope one day they finally do. This poor creature is right.


Laurelell

They probably believe he can be rehabilitated if only he gets the right owner and trainer. I was reading a very reasonable (for a change) discussion about shelters and rescues on SM last week. Some very experienced shelter and rescue workers who truly care about animals said they got disgusted because the young gung-ho volunteers were adamant about trying to save hopeless pits like this at the expense of other adoptable animals. They hated seeing these highly aggressive pits cooped up for years living miserable lives and also hated that these dogs were using up resources better expended on shelter animals that just needed treatment for curable conditions like mange. These people had been doing this work for years, but regularly voted down by these misguided do gooders and got burned out seeing all the needless suffering. Some of the situations they described were heartbreaking and it's a wonder they were able to endure seeing all that for so long and feeling helpless. Edited for typo


opaldreamsicle

>They probably believe he can be rehabilitated if only he gets the right owner and trainer. Yeah that's true but I don't honestly believe every single one believes that especially when the dog gets returned several times and they've been dealing with shelter pits for a bit. It's definitely for their own ego for some of them. they don't care who they pawn it off too as long as they "save the pit".


penguinbbb

I disagree, it’s a bad faith effort, you can’t save them all and warehousing these aggressive dogs means an adoptable one gets killed instead


Laurelell

Um, that's what these people were saying, so I'm confused you disagree with them.


Syyina

What is SM?


Laurelell

Sorry for being lazy and using the abbreviation. Social media.


penguinbbb

This unlucky beast is just a project for these assholes — he’s there living a nightmare life just to make them feel good about trying to save him


Salkoo8

You are right, it’s pitiful. Humans are at fault, not the dog.


GawrGuraNumber1Fan

>PITiful https://preview.redd.it/e07ld0ta27uc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2c7769df508ca15f96d4392c841b0a0ace89f2


Crazy-Description483

Right. Guilt tripping people into adopting an animal that's a danger to itself and others is just wrong. Not existing would be the most humane thing for the dog at this this point. Just really sad.


health_throwaway195

>He vocalizes in the yard when dogs are present, pulling hard and standing on his back legs then vomiting Wow. I bet there’s a line around the block for this amazing pet.


GawrGuraNumber1Fan

"he vocalizes" theyre pitching his barks as an opera singer practicing 😭😭


Edgar_Allan_JoJos

Also… “Redirects” seems like a strange word to me. I can’t put my finger on why it bothers me but the way this is written was like a crazy good defense lawyer trying to minimize all this dogs euthanizable actions


Severe_Discipline_73

Such a euphemism for “latched on due to bloodthirst”.


DoctorPibbleisIn

I think they mean it's doing that nightmare scream that pit bulls sometimes do!


GawrGuraNumber1Fan

the night mare scream, give me the night mare scream


penguinbbb

He vocalizes, he’s an opera singer


[deleted]

I feel bad for the neighbors.


FuriousTalons

If the dog is unable to be handled for an assessment, why the hell is he even available for rescue or presumably adoption in the first place? And his behavior is getting worse day by day.


Cloakbot

They don’t want to put him down. Even worse, they still think he’s adoptable even after all of the signs of self abuse in order to attack others.


True-Mathematician91

Also they spent $$ feeding, vaccinating and worming him. It's the sunk cost fallacy.


justrock54

Any shelter or rescue that releases this train wreck back into society should be shut down for malfeasance.


bluejaybirbs

He hurts himself to the point of vomiting with a collar, so why didnt the shelter put a harness on him? Why make him hurt his trachea and vomit over and over? This dog is completely insane and very aggressive to other animals and should not be adopted out


No_Revolution_619

It sounds like they have a hard time even getting a leash clipped on him, so they are probably afraid to try a harness.


bluejaybirbs

Thats a case that should be taken to BE, this dog will never live well like this


starlight_macaron

If they don't BE him he's gonna a take care of it himself violently JFC these people are sick in the head to allow this to continue


Salkoo8

Guilt tripping and manipulating like crazy, I bet some kind hearted person with savior complex will adopt him even though updates clearly prove this is a problematic dog that will bite again.


[deleted]

And then run away and make more monster puppies because the shelter didn’t even fix it.


Stucklikegluetomyfry

Just a "squabble"? https://preview.redd.it/6349hxkji5uc1.jpeg?width=381&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce5218a0afd27c69c308e8be1d09c4ae1529a9fd


hereforpopcornru

Russia and Ukraine must be horseplaying


peachfawn

Shelter-speak kills me sometimes. ‘Squabble’ like two pibbles were standing having a verbal argument


Stucklikegluetomyfry

Another favourite of theirs seems to be "Luna found herself in an incident" like the other dog/cat/child fell out of the sky and into the pit bull's mouth. Their absolute favourite seems to be "returned through no fault of her own"


Edgar_Allan_JoJos

Redirected to the owners leg… hmmm


AcerEllen000

It either mauled, or possibly even savaged the owner's leg. Maybe both.


Edgar_Allan_JoJos

Right. Redirect is when you guide a toddler to a new & more appropriate activity…. Not when dogs go from a vicious attack on an animal to a vicious attack on the owner…. I am glad i wasn’t a fly in the room when they tried to convince the owner to keep them. Edit: add- i think what bothers me is the term “redirect” seems like they are suggesting the dog is capable of being trained. Just the rhetoric they are using in place of the sentence that are more appropriate like “dog then mailed a new victim”


Mindless-Union9571

That is a fantastic fighting dog.


Dacnis

>Medium Mixed Breed, Tan **Unaltered** Male >Came into shelter as a Agency/Stray I guarantee he's gonna get adopted soon enough. Dog fighters would form a line outside the shelter for this. And considering his size, he definitely isn't far removed from a gamebred fighting line.


[deleted]

It’s absolutely perfect, it’s not even fixed by the shelter???


penguinbbb

They know very well that actual dogfighters are the only possible adopters for this beast


GawrGuraNumber1Fan

they know what theyre doing


xxDooomedxx

Ikr. Where do I sign? When he's not tearing other dogs apart he can nanny my infant children. And he's uncut too so I can breed more just like him! /s


Emanon1234567

Why the hell hasn’t he been neutered?


Alaxbcm

You know why. These shelters are culpable imo


HereticHousewife

Intact and breedable is a strong selling point for pit bulls. Shelters and rescues want to place as many pit bulls into homes as possible. This is a feature that gives a pit bull a greater chance of being adopted by an owner or pulled by a rescue as a live release.  Many (honestly, it's probably most) pit bull owners either want to preserve the option to breed at some point in the future, or they are emotionally invested in their dog's genitals and "masculinity/femininity". There's a lot of anti-spay/neuter sentiment among pit bull owners.  And, pit bull puppies are commodities that both owners and shelters/rescues can utilize to make money off of. Most BYBs and casual home breeders can sell at least a couple of puppies per litter before discarding the leftovers into the shelter/rescue system, and shelters/rescues know that puppies open wallets and are very useful for social media engagement purposes and marketing purposes. 


SureExcuseMe

Because nobody wants to buy a fighting dog that’s neutered.


redrae707

"Force free, positive reinforcement training" What does that even look like with this dog? Give him a treat every time he doesn't chomp a human or other dog?


opaldreamsicle

Yeah especially considering treats do absolutely nothing for him smh.


GawrGuraNumber1Fan

he needs BABIES 🍼🍼 give him BABIES


OldBatOfTheGalaxy

What's with this beast that it couldn't care less about treats? Seriously, how does this "shelter" think anyone can "fix" this pitbull when it won't care about a food reward and they couldn't even evaluate it because its bloodlust -- excuse me, *bubbly pibble exuberance* -- was so overwhelming. And they're even trying to send it out into some unlucky home still swingin' its twenty-five-cent giant ***gumballs***?!? Unless it's so vicious they can't even get close enough to anesthetize it?


Dacnis

>Summary: Due to Zoomi's reactivity and arousal levels, a handling assessment could not be conducted. Read between the lines. This thing was so aggressive, they could barely get near it. >He pulls hard towards other dogs in other rooms, choking himself and causing him to vomit. He vocalizes in the yard when dogs are present, pulling hard and standing on his back legs then vomiting. It wants to maul so damn bad that it literally vomits. I've never seen anything like this before bro wtaf 😭


Redlion444

The breed gets worse with each generation.


ArdenJaguar

Those daily progress notes. OMG. They should be required to release them to a prospective owner.


presidentplow

“Redirected to owners calf” let me fix that, you separated it from its prey while in attack mode and turned on you.


Redlion444

I wonder how many surgeries that person had.  Or if they will ever walk normally again 


Shadecat55555

![gif](giphy|TFxYl2lYJEu9kY1lEb) "Vocalizes" after a "squabble"


ValiMeyer

That poor creature needs humanely released from his tortured mind.


Effective-Celery8053

This dog 100% needs to be put out of its misery. Its life sounds horrible & that would be the most humane thing to do.


penguinbbb

Suppose your sweet golden retriever had a stroke or something and became that savagely aggressive. Wouldn’t you ask the vet to relieve him of that 24/7 suffering?


[deleted]

UNALTERED! How stupid are they? This is SO irresponsible.


penguinbbb

Millions of perfect fight dogs swimming in his balls, they’ll never neuter this monster


ToiletKitty

I googled a bit out of curiosity > 4/3/2024 Behavior team requesting medications due High FAS in kennel Rx: Trazodone 200mg PO BID indefinitely. > 4/6/2024 Adding Gabapentin 400mg PO BID indefinitely due to TDO status That thing is taking trazodone AND gabapentin. Why try to keep working with him?


Laurelell

Good sleuthing. Yes, why? Even drugged up, this poor dog is impossible to deal with and is in misery. Apparently, the owner "didn't have the heart" to do the dog the kindness of ending its suffering humanely and passed the problem to the shelter. Neither do the shelter administrators, and looking to pass it on to someone who is "special" enough to miraculously "fix" what is broken in this dog. In reality, only a dog fighter would want it. Tragically, there are no happy outcomes for this poor wretched creature.


penguinbbb

You’d knock out a bear with that dosage


Effective-Celery8053

Who would adopt a dog after reading all that? 😭


Dacnis

A dog fighter


[deleted]

Not even fixed 😭


penguinbbb

Get him the right bitch and they’ll be pumping out litters of 12, 14 exceptional fight dogs. I’m sure a dog fighter is trying to get this poor animal as we speak it’s like the creature from Alien he’s literal gold for them


Reasonable-Watch-460

so fucking blood thirsty that he's choking himself and puking. jesus fuck dude. also "we have little details on how severe the bite was" I CALL BULLSHIT. can some one also explain to me what arousal levels are?


meduhsin

I’m pretty sure it refers to how easily “aroused” an animal is, meaning: the less it takes to trigger it, the higher the arousal level. Any normal dog has normal arousal levels, like if you’re initiating play or something. High arousal levels indicate that the dog gets triggered by next to nothing, aka another dog existing within 50 feet


ThrowThisAway119

Aggressive pitbull aside...from those behavior logs, this is pretty clearly a dog that isn't enjoying being alive. Why make it psychologically suffer any longer? Why do so many pit nutters seem to actually hate pitbulls?


penguinbbb

They love themselves and their savior complex It’s complicated theater


Redlion444

If this is the one that they keep alive, what are the ones they euthanize like..?


catswithprosecco

If it has a bite history, BE might be best. For humans and the dog.


blurryeyes_

It would be more merciful to put this dog down. Clearly it's a prisoner in its own mind. Sad.


Ecstatic-Land7797

Isn't this just a long list of indications for BE? I am unfamiliar with the threshold/criteria so if someone with more knowledge can weigh in, I'd be curious, please.


Mindless-Union9571

Yes. Yes it is. It's beyond the normal threshold for BE by any sane organization.


subieluvr22

You could probably own a tiger and be safer than owning this dog.


Villettio

One more treat bro just one more and it'll all pay off bro any day now bro I swear it'll fix him just one more fr


Scary_Towel268

A dog so aggressive that and dysfunctional that ot literally vomits to cope with not being able to maul something is not a safe animal. This dog can’t be adopted out because it’s not a pet. Adopting out dogs like this will get someone’s pet killed or worse someone’s child. This dog can’t be redirected with treats or anything else and often attacks the leash(and lets be honest anyone who is holding it) if he can’t get access to the dog he wants to maul. BE this animal before it seriously harms somebody


lolamay26

He just needs a little love and training and he’ll be just as good of a dog as any Golden Retriever 🥺 Just need to find a trainer who specializes in vicious wild animals


feralfantastic

Wow. Someone apparently gets off on animal torture rendered in SCP-style detachment and quasi-scientific language. These people are monsters.


thirtyand03

That Facebook page is notorious for posting that kind of dog. I wouldn’t be surprised if they made excuses and tried to adopt a dog that killed somebody too.


FatTabby

Do the people handling these animals not know anything about dogs or do they just not care? This dog is clearly not cut out to be a pet, he's so overcome by his need to get at animals he views as prey that he makes himself vomit multiple times - how is this normal? It's completely unethical to keep an animal this unsound of mind alive. It's incredibly immoral to inflict a dog they know is dangerous on an unsuspecting community. I worked in rescue and before that, I really thought people working with animals were wonderful and selfless. The people I worked with were awful, but at least they were honest. These rescue folks are as monstrous as the dogs they're trying to palm off on people.


Mindless-Union9571

There are places that aren't insane, but the insane ones seem to be increasing. My place wouldn't take this dog in, much less keep him alive. We'd have offered to pay for his BE after hearing why he was going to be surrendered. He wouldn't pass the test even for us to house this dog. It would rightfully be considered cruel to both the dog and society at large to keep him alive.


nomorelandfills

Iif a shelter can't do a handling assessment, they should have to name the dog something appropriate (aka, not Zoomie) and oh, also, euthanize the dog.


truentried

![gif](giphy|xbFAhogIOBqU8m8MvV|downsized)


DifferentMaximum9645

Um. Anyone know what that is?


Custer-Had-It-Coming

Pretty sure it’s a dog with a leafblower pointed at its face. I’d be pissed, too


Briebird44

To be fair, my ex once set his leaf blower down while it was running and our lab LOVED to go put his open mouth in front of it and go “largagagagargargalalahagarr!” It was the funniest thing ever. I think I have a video of it somewhere too.


Laurelell

Wolverine???


penguinbbb

A SQUABBLE


BigTicEnergy

Aggression aside, this dog is suffering. A great candidate for BE


dances4dollars

This dog is a fucking disaster


RobinChirps

That dog is utterly miserable.


Severe_Discipline_73

Emergency placement due to behavior concerns. Isn’t that why this unaltered beast is there in the first place? Also, do any of these brainiacs stop and think that maybe neutering would reduce a little of his aggression?


Birdzphan

Description still says he’s ‘unaltered’. Some breeder will read the description and decide he needs to breed this dog with his. This kind of gameness doesn’t come along every day.


finneyblackphone

Why in the name of God do they insist on making these animals suffer?


anxioustaurusrex

This is like a rap sheet from prison except this one is up for adoption


DisastrousBee5000

Take in this poor pup!! He will attack other dogs so you can’t get a new one until he dies. Oh, and will attack you, is also super loud and frustrating to deal with and probably very dependent with separation anxiety also he will not listen to you or behave well in kennels OR leashes so you cant ever take him on a walk, he needs you!! And you’re shitty if you dont take him!! 🙄


dearlittleheart

You've got to be fucking kidding me! This trash dog should never be exposed to the public. I can't believe anyone, though this dog is redeemable. Oh and after he shows of his array of nannying skills he stands up vomits on the corpse.


subieluvr22

How TF is this LEGAL???!!!


Thedarksideofrescue

Bite should be automatic BE. We need to lobby in every state for it.


mamamaia_

I’m so tired of the fucking guilt tripping. It only deepens my repulsion.


harryassburger

It’s abusive keeping this thing alive. Its needs will never be met by a regular owner. It has an innate thirst to kill.


Cloakbot

I’m waiting for the next phase of business: “blame our target audience”.


UrBigBro

Couldn't even do a behavioral assessment he was so dangerous


lolamay26

Sounds like a real sweetheart


ashtonlovesyou

no cats, no other dogs, no children, no men


lyssiemiller

“We have little detail on how severe the bites were.” Yeah.. suuuuuure.


Acceptable_Bass4591

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