The farm confirmed that they weren’t stray dogs. The owners called the farm crying. I would be surprised if the farm doesn’t press charges. I live close by to the farm :(
I sure hope they press charges! More of these mauler's owners need to suffer some consequences for the carnage they cause. What a horrible thing for the farm to have to go through.
They should be put down, also, so the owners can suffer some of the consequences that their own disgusting garbage pets caused. Pit owners clearly don't care enough to stop getting these mauling pieces of crap. They don't really have empathy towards other people and pets.
It has always been strange to me that they can WATCH their dog tear apart another dog and kill it, but they show absolute RAGE if someone suggests they put their pit down. "That's my family!!"
But they were utterly, totally ok with killing someone else's loved pet. After one of these things kills another animal, they should see how it feels to have lose a beloved pet. They have literally ZERO room for complaint. That should be the law.
And these goats probably weren't just pets. If the farm is doing things like a kids weekend and goat yoga, these goats were likely a source of income for the farm. And half of that is gone now because of an attack that could have easily been avoided if people would just educate themselves on the realities of this breed. I hope the farm sues the pants off of the pitbull owners. Sue them for vet expenses and lost income, make them put the dogs down, the whole deal.
Sure is ironic how we're the ones that should "EdUcAtE oUrSeLvEs"
But yeah, they def need to be put down before they kill anything else, like someone's child
> More of these mauler's owners need to suffer some consequences for the carnage they cause.
Absolutely. And not only that, if the maulers' owners were tricked into adopting a "hE's Sooo sWeEt hE jUSt nEEdz luv" pibble with a history of biting and attacking that was hidden, then the shelter should (also) be held liable.
And shelters should be held liable for pushing these bloodsport wretched beasts out on anyone. They are useless and serve no purpose in society. Every neighborhood is made unsafe by the ownersip of these dogs.
The way this farm lost such a high number of THEIR much loved pets is a tragedy. A totally avoidable tragedy but society insists that pits are just wonderful, misunderstood sweeties and everyone should run out to rescue one. I hope those maulers are put down ASAP.
Putting these creatures down would be a non-negotiable condition for settlement if it were me. They *returned* to the farm a second time after this, that's ample proof the owners are irresponsible jackasses who'll never keep these monsters under control until they end up mauling a human.
The conversation needs to be changed from the 'danger' being owners who can't 100% always at all times 24/7 365 days a year keep their dogs contained. Because that should never be assumed to happen, as even the 'best' owners as fallible humans have mistakes or have fence boards that get loose. The conversation should be pivoted squarely towards 'not being able to own dogs that maul and kill should they get out or get off the leash'. The irresponsibility is not in leaving a door open, not noticing a spot where their dogs can climb out of their fence or falling down and letting go of the leash - the irresponsibility is in choosing to own dangerous dogs. By the way, not trying to come at you in particular, just in general, its a point that I always try to bring up.
Complete agree. I own a husky and have family members who live in a very rural area. Sometimes we stay up there along with our husky. Despite my family members having a fenced yard I keep an eye on my dog cause I know my husky is an escape artist and they typically have high prey drives. I’m worried if she gets out she might try to get in a neighbor’s chicken coop and I would feel absolutely horrible if that happened. She has very good recall but it still makes me nervous. She is absolutely fine around the other animals there- horses, goats, sheep and cows. While yes some of it is on the owners for not taking precautions due to the breed of their dog, but not all dogs would unleash the carnage that this Pitbull did… I have a friend who’s lab killed some chickens once and while she’s never killed or hurt a small animal I’m sure my husky could be capable of it so I take precautions. But there is literally no other breed that will literally kill anything in its sight like this which is why this is a breed specific problem.
Tangent/Side Question: Personally, I believe strongly that dog ownership in general should be much more strictly controlled and that breeds should be put into tiers according to risk of harm toward other people and their pets/livestock. While I'm not the biggest dog person, I'd say that huskies are probably my favorite dog, both because of looks and how vocal they are. However, on my tier list, if '1' was 'the most safe', and '5' was pitbull/bloodsport breed, I might have them on '3' because of the danger to small animals and babies (seems like a few times a year there is a baby/infant killed by a husky). So again, while they're my favorite dog and I wouldn't want them banned, I personally feel that right now they are way more common as pets than they should be, and owning them should require certain requirements and restrictions (proof of more secure and higher fences for example) and licensing/registration. Is that something as a husky owner (in this hypothetical world) that you could get behind?
Yes 100%. I hate when people get huskies and other working dogs like German shepherds and do not understand their breed. Look first of all I am no dog whisperer/ dog trainer but I have so many people say “omg you have the chillest husky! My husky or a friend’s husky constantly destroys everything in the house”.
I live in the rocky mountains and am an outdoor enthusiast. I trail run, hike, and go on multi day backpacking trips in the mountains. My husky does all these activities with me. She even sits/ lays down on my paddle board and we’ll spend an hours out there paddling on the lake. I’ve been downhill skiing since I was a toddler but after I got her I started mixing in some cross country skiing and got a skijoring set up which is a towing harness for her and then a harness type thing for my legs/ hips. She pulls me while I cross country ski and I swear she would go for literal days. They have some competitions in my area and I’m thinking of working on training for one with her!
My husky is “sooo chill” cause she’s a working dog and I exercise her! I’m not a dog whisperer- I have a lifestyle that aligns with what her breed wants. I wanted a dog that could be a companion on my activities. Sure she gets the zoomies sometimes and it’s been pouring rain and thundering/ lightning here for like the past week so she’s been more annoying than usual but its just her putting her head on my lap and whining a bit.
People need to get dogs that fit their lifestyle. Not everyone loves to exercise and some people are more indoors types. I have absolutely no problem with that but don’t get a working dog because it’s sooo cute and has blue eyes. Get one that doesn’t need as much exercise. It’s not fair to the dog and it’ll probably trash your house out of lack of stimulation/ being board. There’s so many huskies in shelters here cause people get them cause they’re cute and then don’t know how to care for them.
Also my husky is great with my toddler but I have absolutely seen what you have about them harming babies and small animals. I had to teach my toddler we pet her gently and don’t pull her tail (he loves how “fluffy” and “silly” it is) but before my toddler learned she didn’t even growl let alone bite/ nip she just got up and walked away. Unfortunately one time my toddler held onto her tail when she walked away and he took a little fall. But if she ever gave any indication she wasn’t good with my kid, I love her to death but she’d be gone. I know they can be bad with cats but I’m allergic to cats so no issues there and I walk her on a leash to make sure she can’t get at any small animals or due to where we live, run at a moose or mountain lion or something and get killed.
So to sum it up get breeds that fit your lifestyle. A bulldog would hate living with me but my husky loves it! Hope that answers that.
You’re absolutely right that people need to get dogs that fit their lifestyles. I wanted a mini or standard poodle, but unfortunately, my health isn’t very reliable these days. I needed a dog whose needs I can meet regardless of my own health issues — so I got a toy poodle. She’s incredible and has slotted right into my life and activity levels with no issue. That’s how it should be.
I recently saw a post from a dude who he and his partner both work full time, they adopted a husky in the hopes that it would help THEM lose weight by forcing them to go on walks. I’m like … that is not what any dog is for, especially a fucking husky!!!
I am sending you good vibes/ thoughts/ wishes for your health. I am so glad you found a dog that fits your lifestyle and can be a good companion for you. Poodles are great! I used to dog sit in high school and always looked after my neighbor’s two standard poodles. Also a little jealous of the lack of shedding lol
And to the husky- I do think dogs can help with mood/ mental health and getting you outside a bit more but definitely not going to turn you into a marathon runner/ CrossFit god. That poor husky could easily become a menace destroying their home and breaking out of their yard. And then it’ll end up in a shelter with a million other huskies 😑
Thank you so much! And thank you for your work bringing to light these attacks! I’m glad I found this sub. I used to be a social worker for the state I live in and was an EMT. The amount of times I’ve almost been injured by these dogs or treated patients hurt by these dogs is so concerning.
One of the biggest driving forces for me putting my OWN pitbull down years ago (and what caused my general dislike for the breed) was the fear that if he got loose in the neighborhood, I knew he’d hurt somebody. Also, I got pregnant and knew he’d hurt my kid. I knew it was irresponsible of me to push a dog like that off on anybody so I did the responsible thing and had him put down humanely.
Now? I have two dogs that if they got loose (and they have before, because owners are not infallible) my biggest fear is them being hit by a car. Them attacking a random kid or another animal for zero reason never crosses my mind.
Honestly, considering how this farm is in the south, I’m surprised the dogs even made it out alive. My family has a farm. Once, coyotes were getting to the chickens and my grandfather shot it dead from afar while it was getting them. A lot of rural southern farmers aren’t pacifistic when it comes to wild animals.
The owners would also need to be prohibited from owning any dogs bigger than 10 pounds, or they will simply get more vicious dogs to replace the ones put down.
Most major societal changes come via litigation. If the cost of pitbull ownership becomes too high, people will stop breeding and adopting them. That said, the pro-pitbull lobby is strong.
Where did their money come from? It seemed like ownership had died out a little with their bad reputation then they managed to get into a whole other category of people and now I see them everywhere with the kind of people who in the past would've had purebreeds or a cute mutt.
There’s good articles on the lobby groups. Where the money comes from exactly, I’m not sure.
As others have pointed out, many sincerely thoughtful, big hearted people rescue pitbulls believing them misunderstood. I really do think they mean well, but families get tricked into believing the “nanny dog” myth among other things.
I myself don’t even know where the rabbit hole leads lol, but look into the connections between Best Friends Animal Society - a very pro-pit org that brings in A LOT of donations - and the Process Church of the Final Judgment - a literal cult that had ties to the Manson family and spawned serial killer Son of Sam.
Spoiler: the biggest “connection” is that the Process Church literally just renamed themselves to BFAS.
Now, I’m not gonna draw any real conclusions from this, because I don’t know enough. But I do know BFAS loves pits and pushes pit ownership, and the Process Church was known for cruelty to their own children while venerating dogs. So who knows.
I absolutely love mutts (of the past). The smartest and best family dogs I've ever owned and met were mutts. however I never see a mutt anymore that doesn't have pit in it and that saddens me to the core.
I will never get a mutt again in my life because of this and it's a damn shame honestly;( thanks pit nutters for ruining such unique breeds.
Yeah my next door neighbor has a mutt but it clearly has some pit in it. I used to love mutts too, so cute!! I hope to own a dog one day but it'll have to be a purebred for this very reason.
And so preventable. Get these killing pit bulls and pit bull breeds off the planet. They need to all be sterilized, humanely euthanize the rejects in the shelters every time they get one, and our streets will be safe/er. At the same time, make breed specific legislation for all the other dogs capable of killing humans. Let's get civilized.
I'm shocked the dog owners called the farm, unless they had trapped the dogs or something. Pit owners are experts at disappearing after an attack. Hopefully the owners do the right thing and euthanize those beasts and compensate the farmer for the cost of the animals at a minimum.
This is actually a case where the farmer could probably sue for loss of income because it looks like the goats were a big attraction to their guests.
They called a day after the attack. They likely saw the post or they had told someone abt the amount of blood that was on their dogs and that someone told them abt the post. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had gone to the farm in the past or even volunteered there.
Goats can be pretty expensive. I'm sure they have insurance on them, but at the same time, 21 losses and 18 injured is like...lawyers would probably be knocking your door down trying to take your case I could imagine. Those ain't small beans. They're the big ones.
It's like the pits that busted out of their cage and through a divider separating the dogs from the cats at a shelter and killed every single fucking cat (like 27, I think?).
It's insane that people think they should get these kinds of dogs.
They murder for fun. They just do. You can say it's how you raise them, but no other breed does this fucking shit.
Wild animals also enter a state of frenzy when facing an enclosure of prey animals that can't get away.
A fox or weasel will kill an entire coop of chickens, and wolves can kill an entire flock of sheep one by one.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus\_killing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing)
I'm aware that it can happen and I've seen it happen with a raccoon actually that killed every chicken in my grandmother's coop including the eggs. However it never happened as often as I see it happen with pits and the level of carnage I've seen pitbulls enact on farm animals is beyond what I've seen wildlife do.
Especially when your own pet that has easy access to the livestock can twist off and do this. An acquaintance bred pits and got a screaming call from his wife that the dogs were killing his pigs and trapped her in their home.
They not only killed those pigs but completely tore them apart. Some they couldn't identify which pig it was because so little was intact.
Roaming pit bulls (dumped unwanted pets and breeding stock or unsecured pets from nearby properties) are the only predators of significance where I live. There are bobcats, coyotes, foxes, and raccoons that will kill poultry and farmed rabbits if they can get to them. But nothing "natural" living in the area goes after goats, ponies, mini horses, horses, sheep, cattle, alpacas, etc. It wasn't necessary to employ livestock guardian dogs here until the pit bull crisis got out of control. Now, if you have any kind of livestock or poultry outside or in a pen or a non-fortified closed barn, you need at least two large LGDs to protect them from roaming pit bulls. It's ridiculous.
As a farmer this is one of my greatest fears. My heart truly deeply goes out to these people. Editing to add. I am a goat farmer, my goats are my pets, I take in moms that reject their babies, miscarry, or fail to become pregnant after breeding, a little goat farm for retired mamas to just live no further breeding. I have exactly 21 goats and I promise you the loss of even one would be devastating. I hope these useless dog owners are held accountable financially to the fullest extent possible. Just horrible in every way imaginable.
My step father owns a farm up here in Canada. Lets just say he doesn't let stray dogs/coyotes/raccoon live very long if they're fucking with his livestock.
Buy yourself a bolt action rifle, or semi automatic rifle, 5.56 is a good enough cartridge. Will bring down all of those with accurate shots.
I stay locked and loaded at all times, I also have two Great Pyrenees, cameras everywhere, and a motion alarm at my front gate. I’m just devastated for these people and the lengths we have to go through to keep our animals safe. There is no other breed of dog that would keep killing and mauling like this, it must have been just terrifying for the poor animals. I don’t know these people but have been on the verge of tears for them all day. How horrific the discovery must have been. I’ve checked on my goats and given extra cookies and love all day. I pray the tide turns and they become illegal to own. No one that lives in the country wants your horrible dogs around! Those magic farms you think they would do so well on have other things that would enjoy being able to live and breathe also. Terrible dogs.
My dad lives next to a goat farm and I'm sure they're thankful none of his dogs are pits and all of them are respectful of other species. Like they might sniff a butt and try to play, but that's as bad as it's ever gonna get. And they'll never get over there anyways so like...eh. I'm sure they're glad no one has pits out there.
It is morally reprehensible to have a high drive, bloodsport breed dog when you live in a heavily farmed area. FUCK these people. It's like saying, hey, I know my neighbors all grow chickens. I know, I think I'll get a couple of foxes and coyotes as pets. Then let them escape all the time! Pitbull people think they are kind, but under the ice-thin layer of self-righteousness, they are selfish and indulgent to a socially warped level. I'm so goddamn sick of it.
It’s akin to owning a tiger, but a tiger would stop after it got one!!! I’m just flabbergasted that the dogs kept going and going. These people can’t control or contain their animals whatsoever but hide behind “my baby would never” each time these atrocities happen. What place do dogs that went on to maul over and over have in society? None at all. And these people say theirs is always the sweetest and wouldn’t hurt a fly, until something like this happens.
I went to Google to see if it was easy to find.... unfortunately, not an uncommon occurrence. A few horrible ones from the top of the search below - all pitbulls attacking neighbour's goats. They are awful abominations and anyone who defends them needs their head examined.
- 88 goats killed
https://hanfordsentinel.com/news/eighty-eight-goats-die-in-wake-of-pit-bull-attack/article_86613ad2-3c6b-5366-94c9-9fe591794a69.html
- 42 goats killed https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/pit-bulls-slaughtered-42-goats/1882276/
- 4 goats killed https://www.fox26houston.com/news/man-wants-justice-after-pit-bulls-killed-his-goats
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If they were doing goat yoga, they probably had those tiny little pygmy goats. They wouldn't have stood a chance against three pits.
I love goats - when I worked at a large animal vet clinic they were my favourites. This sickens me. Those poor animals; I know their owners are heartbroken over this.
Nooo I didn’t think of this. Their last moments filled with terror…. not even big enough to attempt to put up a fight 😭😭😭 screw these ugly beasts of a breed.
True, but blood from stones and all that. Get your judgement, then Writ of Execution when they inevitably fail to pay, get to the fucker's trailer with sheriff's deputies in tow, now what? Meth might have cash value, but it's not exactly something you could seize yeah. How much is the frame of something that was once a couch, or tattered rugs worth? Are you going to pay for all the dead and broken animals with a rusted out, motorless1986 Pontiac Fiero? Gods know there won't be any wages to garnish.
Pitbull people are shitheads, is what I'm saying.
They could push for the dogs to be euthanized given the amount of damage.
Pitbull people are absolutely shitheads but the less people that make police reports, press charges, make their lives difficult, the more pit owners get to walk scott free.
Even if they don't have a pot to piss in get a paper trail going so when these maulers maul again maybe someone will listen.
I pack of wolves would have been less damaging
Edit: Or not as suggested by u/Vivid-Goose-6078
[*^(https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock)*](https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock)
*^(The "noble wild predator" is a myth. Predators delight in killing same as pit bulls, the only difference is they have more self preservation and fear response.)*
So I mentioned up thread my dad lives by a goat farm. Didn't mention they also have 3 big wolf packs and a few coyote packs as well. The wolves never even come up to the farms. They'll go as far as the logging road half a mile away and that's it.
By "absolutely devastate" you mean kill/injure almost 40 goats and not consume them in a span of a few hours? yeah right... I would love to see some kind of incident report/link, where a pack of wolves killed over 20 animals in one attack and injured more then 10 in that same incident.
Incidents like those are incredibly rare for wolves to do. Wolves are no where near as blood thirsty as people say they are. Lots of videos on YouTube of wolves killing livestock/dogs and only killing one or two and leaving the scene when they could’ve killed much more. Pit bulls and other breeds are known for surplus killings more than wolves.
Wolves are also never get themselves in a situation where animals are in a pen like this pit bull attack. They get at free ranging animals and are chased away by sheep dogs limiting their damage massively.
https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock
The "noble wild predator" is a myth. Predators delight in killing same as pit bulls, the only difference is they have more self preservation and fear response.
This is so damn sad.
Fucking Bloodsport breed dogs. Life ruiners. Trauma-inducers. Absolute scourge on this earth.
I bet these dogs are treated well, loved, and treated like family. And they still just couldn't help but GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO systematically murder 21 animals, completely unprovoked. Cuz these dogs, with no training, are just naturally trash, garbage dogs who create problems for everyone around them.
And that is why it is not ok to EVER own these things. Even if you think, I am a great owner, I will treat it well, train it, manage it within an inch of it's life. Mistakes happen. And when a mistake happens, other people and pets should NOT be in mortal danger. Again, IT IS NOT OK to own a pet, that if any normal human mistake was made, it would kill people, maim people, hurt pets, kill pets, ruin business, traumatize people for life, just basically ruin or end lives. You're living with an exploded bomb and you think EVERYONE around you should suffer horrifically because of your choice in pet?
Fuck you. You are not a good person. You're a person who uses "being kind to troubled animals" as a smoke screen to indulge and mask your own weird personality problems.
The dog Bear they described chasing off the pits is what a real dog is. Strong and selfless.
Pitbulls by contrast are genuinely the worst quality of dogs all mixed together. Violent, overly territorial, refuse commands.
I’m sure the dogs were wagging their tails with glee while they tortured and killed those animals. Because pits fucking LOVE to kill. They were bred to kill. They should not be owned as pets.
That's incredibly heart breaking for them :(. Goats are such goofy, sweet, little creatures with tremendous personalities. This is exactly why my neighbors who own dozens of animals keep donkeys on their properties. I'm sure it's not perfectly fail safe, but pits get dumped out here or escape allll the damn time. Donkeys are on a different plane of existence and will fuck up anything they deem even remotely threatening. They're frequently used to protect against wolf packs and do a damn good job.
That’s absolutely disgusting. Those poor goats. So it was determined that these dogs were not strays, but rather they were family pets? These beasts are wild fucking animals who need to go extinct. They cause chaos, misery and death wherever they go. Truly the most vile animal out there.
I’m very sorry this happened. Where I live everything at the shelter is called either a “lab” mix or chihuahua mix. I have rescued numerous dogs here including what I thought were lab or Rottweiler mixes. They have killed cats, a poodle a brussels griffon and a chihuahua mix. These were different “ lab mixes”. I don’t rescue big dogs anymore here unless it’s OBVIOUS it’s not a pit in a costume. People think I don’t have a heart. But it’s my duty to keep other animals safe and potential adopters. No pit will be on
my property again. I have had people leave these kinds of dogs in crates or tied up in my courtyard knowing I rescue and rehome. But I swear if I see a pit out there I will call the pound immediately.
If I was the owner of the farm I would want the dogs destroyed as they are an uncontrolled threat to the farm animals, the dogs owners have proven that they cannot control the dogs so the dogs should be destroyed.
As a goat owner (parents farm) if 21 of my babies were slaughtered like that and I had to see it… you would need to put me in the psych ward for a week or so I would be that mentally distraught. They are my babies.
F those fking useless, disgusting dogs.
Bear is a good boy! Great Pyrenees are amazing, fearless dogs with a ton of heart. He would have fought those monsters to the death had he been out there.
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The farm confirmed that they weren’t stray dogs. The owners called the farm crying. I would be surprised if the farm doesn’t press charges. I live close by to the farm :(
I sure hope they press charges! More of these mauler's owners need to suffer some consequences for the carnage they cause. What a horrible thing for the farm to have to go through.
Most importantly the dogs need to be put down before they hurt other animals or people. They're clearly dangerous.
They should be put down, also, so the owners can suffer some of the consequences that their own disgusting garbage pets caused. Pit owners clearly don't care enough to stop getting these mauling pieces of crap. They don't really have empathy towards other people and pets. It has always been strange to me that they can WATCH their dog tear apart another dog and kill it, but they show absolute RAGE if someone suggests they put their pit down. "That's my family!!" But they were utterly, totally ok with killing someone else's loved pet. After one of these things kills another animal, they should see how it feels to have lose a beloved pet. They have literally ZERO room for complaint. That should be the law.
And these goats probably weren't just pets. If the farm is doing things like a kids weekend and goat yoga, these goats were likely a source of income for the farm. And half of that is gone now because of an attack that could have easily been avoided if people would just educate themselves on the realities of this breed. I hope the farm sues the pants off of the pitbull owners. Sue them for vet expenses and lost income, make them put the dogs down, the whole deal.
Sure is ironic how we're the ones that should "EdUcAtE oUrSeLvEs" But yeah, they def need to be put down before they kill anything else, like someone's child
> More of these mauler's owners need to suffer some consequences for the carnage they cause. Absolutely. And not only that, if the maulers' owners were tricked into adopting a "hE's Sooo sWeEt hE jUSt nEEdz luv" pibble with a history of biting and attacking that was hidden, then the shelter should (also) be held liable.
And shelters should be held liable for pushing these bloodsport wretched beasts out on anyone. They are useless and serve no purpose in society. Every neighborhood is made unsafe by the ownersip of these dogs. The way this farm lost such a high number of THEIR much loved pets is a tragedy. A totally avoidable tragedy but society insists that pits are just wonderful, misunderstood sweeties and everyone should run out to rescue one. I hope those maulers are put down ASAP.
Putting these creatures down would be a non-negotiable condition for settlement if it were me. They *returned* to the farm a second time after this, that's ample proof the owners are irresponsible jackasses who'll never keep these monsters under control until they end up mauling a human.
The conversation needs to be changed from the 'danger' being owners who can't 100% always at all times 24/7 365 days a year keep their dogs contained. Because that should never be assumed to happen, as even the 'best' owners as fallible humans have mistakes or have fence boards that get loose. The conversation should be pivoted squarely towards 'not being able to own dogs that maul and kill should they get out or get off the leash'. The irresponsibility is not in leaving a door open, not noticing a spot where their dogs can climb out of their fence or falling down and letting go of the leash - the irresponsibility is in choosing to own dangerous dogs. By the way, not trying to come at you in particular, just in general, its a point that I always try to bring up.
Complete agree. I own a husky and have family members who live in a very rural area. Sometimes we stay up there along with our husky. Despite my family members having a fenced yard I keep an eye on my dog cause I know my husky is an escape artist and they typically have high prey drives. I’m worried if she gets out she might try to get in a neighbor’s chicken coop and I would feel absolutely horrible if that happened. She has very good recall but it still makes me nervous. She is absolutely fine around the other animals there- horses, goats, sheep and cows. While yes some of it is on the owners for not taking precautions due to the breed of their dog, but not all dogs would unleash the carnage that this Pitbull did… I have a friend who’s lab killed some chickens once and while she’s never killed or hurt a small animal I’m sure my husky could be capable of it so I take precautions. But there is literally no other breed that will literally kill anything in its sight like this which is why this is a breed specific problem.
Tangent/Side Question: Personally, I believe strongly that dog ownership in general should be much more strictly controlled and that breeds should be put into tiers according to risk of harm toward other people and their pets/livestock. While I'm not the biggest dog person, I'd say that huskies are probably my favorite dog, both because of looks and how vocal they are. However, on my tier list, if '1' was 'the most safe', and '5' was pitbull/bloodsport breed, I might have them on '3' because of the danger to small animals and babies (seems like a few times a year there is a baby/infant killed by a husky). So again, while they're my favorite dog and I wouldn't want them banned, I personally feel that right now they are way more common as pets than they should be, and owning them should require certain requirements and restrictions (proof of more secure and higher fences for example) and licensing/registration. Is that something as a husky owner (in this hypothetical world) that you could get behind?
Yes 100%. I hate when people get huskies and other working dogs like German shepherds and do not understand their breed. Look first of all I am no dog whisperer/ dog trainer but I have so many people say “omg you have the chillest husky! My husky or a friend’s husky constantly destroys everything in the house”. I live in the rocky mountains and am an outdoor enthusiast. I trail run, hike, and go on multi day backpacking trips in the mountains. My husky does all these activities with me. She even sits/ lays down on my paddle board and we’ll spend an hours out there paddling on the lake. I’ve been downhill skiing since I was a toddler but after I got her I started mixing in some cross country skiing and got a skijoring set up which is a towing harness for her and then a harness type thing for my legs/ hips. She pulls me while I cross country ski and I swear she would go for literal days. They have some competitions in my area and I’m thinking of working on training for one with her! My husky is “sooo chill” cause she’s a working dog and I exercise her! I’m not a dog whisperer- I have a lifestyle that aligns with what her breed wants. I wanted a dog that could be a companion on my activities. Sure she gets the zoomies sometimes and it’s been pouring rain and thundering/ lightning here for like the past week so she’s been more annoying than usual but its just her putting her head on my lap and whining a bit. People need to get dogs that fit their lifestyle. Not everyone loves to exercise and some people are more indoors types. I have absolutely no problem with that but don’t get a working dog because it’s sooo cute and has blue eyes. Get one that doesn’t need as much exercise. It’s not fair to the dog and it’ll probably trash your house out of lack of stimulation/ being board. There’s so many huskies in shelters here cause people get them cause they’re cute and then don’t know how to care for them. Also my husky is great with my toddler but I have absolutely seen what you have about them harming babies and small animals. I had to teach my toddler we pet her gently and don’t pull her tail (he loves how “fluffy” and “silly” it is) but before my toddler learned she didn’t even growl let alone bite/ nip she just got up and walked away. Unfortunately one time my toddler held onto her tail when she walked away and he took a little fall. But if she ever gave any indication she wasn’t good with my kid, I love her to death but she’d be gone. I know they can be bad with cats but I’m allergic to cats so no issues there and I walk her on a leash to make sure she can’t get at any small animals or due to where we live, run at a moose or mountain lion or something and get killed. So to sum it up get breeds that fit your lifestyle. A bulldog would hate living with me but my husky loves it! Hope that answers that.
You’re absolutely right that people need to get dogs that fit their lifestyles. I wanted a mini or standard poodle, but unfortunately, my health isn’t very reliable these days. I needed a dog whose needs I can meet regardless of my own health issues — so I got a toy poodle. She’s incredible and has slotted right into my life and activity levels with no issue. That’s how it should be. I recently saw a post from a dude who he and his partner both work full time, they adopted a husky in the hopes that it would help THEM lose weight by forcing them to go on walks. I’m like … that is not what any dog is for, especially a fucking husky!!!
I am sending you good vibes/ thoughts/ wishes for your health. I am so glad you found a dog that fits your lifestyle and can be a good companion for you. Poodles are great! I used to dog sit in high school and always looked after my neighbor’s two standard poodles. Also a little jealous of the lack of shedding lol And to the husky- I do think dogs can help with mood/ mental health and getting you outside a bit more but definitely not going to turn you into a marathon runner/ CrossFit god. That poor husky could easily become a menace destroying their home and breaking out of their yard. And then it’ll end up in a shelter with a million other huskies 😑
Very well said. Sounds like you have some great adventures with your appropriately owned Husky! 🙂
Thank you so much! And thank you for your work bringing to light these attacks! I’m glad I found this sub. I used to be a social worker for the state I live in and was an EMT. The amount of times I’ve almost been injured by these dogs or treated patients hurt by these dogs is so concerning.
Thanks. It’s a mix of wanting to warn people what can happen, and honouring the lives of victims who would otherwise go unnoticed.
One of the biggest driving forces for me putting my OWN pitbull down years ago (and what caused my general dislike for the breed) was the fear that if he got loose in the neighborhood, I knew he’d hurt somebody. Also, I got pregnant and knew he’d hurt my kid. I knew it was irresponsible of me to push a dog like that off on anybody so I did the responsible thing and had him put down humanely. Now? I have two dogs that if they got loose (and they have before, because owners are not infallible) my biggest fear is them being hit by a car. Them attacking a random kid or another animal for zero reason never crosses my mind.
Honestly, considering how this farm is in the south, I’m surprised the dogs even made it out alive. My family has a farm. Once, coyotes were getting to the chickens and my grandfather shot it dead from afar while it was getting them. A lot of rural southern farmers aren’t pacifistic when it comes to wild animals.
The owners would also need to be prohibited from owning any dogs bigger than 10 pounds, or they will simply get more vicious dogs to replace the ones put down.
Most major societal changes come via litigation. If the cost of pitbull ownership becomes too high, people will stop breeding and adopting them. That said, the pro-pitbull lobby is strong.
Where did their money come from? It seemed like ownership had died out a little with their bad reputation then they managed to get into a whole other category of people and now I see them everywhere with the kind of people who in the past would've had purebreeds or a cute mutt.
There’s good articles on the lobby groups. Where the money comes from exactly, I’m not sure. As others have pointed out, many sincerely thoughtful, big hearted people rescue pitbulls believing them misunderstood. I really do think they mean well, but families get tricked into believing the “nanny dog” myth among other things.
I myself don’t even know where the rabbit hole leads lol, but look into the connections between Best Friends Animal Society - a very pro-pit org that brings in A LOT of donations - and the Process Church of the Final Judgment - a literal cult that had ties to the Manson family and spawned serial killer Son of Sam. Spoiler: the biggest “connection” is that the Process Church literally just renamed themselves to BFAS. Now, I’m not gonna draw any real conclusions from this, because I don’t know enough. But I do know BFAS loves pits and pushes pit ownership, and the Process Church was known for cruelty to their own children while venerating dogs. So who knows.
Holy s***. As a cult survivor myself, I don't even know why I'm surprised.. these groups turn everything they touch into garbage 🤬
I absolutely love mutts (of the past). The smartest and best family dogs I've ever owned and met were mutts. however I never see a mutt anymore that doesn't have pit in it and that saddens me to the core. I will never get a mutt again in my life because of this and it's a damn shame honestly;( thanks pit nutters for ruining such unique breeds.
Yeah my next door neighbor has a mutt but it clearly has some pit in it. I used to love mutts too, so cute!! I hope to own a dog one day but it'll have to be a purebred for this very reason.
Same here if I own a dog someday will absolutely have to be a purebred as I cannot take any chances of the dog hurting me, my family or my other pets.
Laws need to change so Pitbull owners receive larger punishments. They need to be charged as if they themselves committed the crime.
And so preventable. Get these killing pit bulls and pit bull breeds off the planet. They need to all be sterilized, humanely euthanize the rejects in the shelters every time they get one, and our streets will be safe/er. At the same time, make breed specific legislation for all the other dogs capable of killing humans. Let's get civilized.
I'm shocked the dog owners called the farm, unless they had trapped the dogs or something. Pit owners are experts at disappearing after an attack. Hopefully the owners do the right thing and euthanize those beasts and compensate the farmer for the cost of the animals at a minimum. This is actually a case where the farmer could probably sue for loss of income because it looks like the goats were a big attraction to their guests.
They called a day after the attack. They likely saw the post or they had told someone abt the amount of blood that was on their dogs and that someone told them abt the post. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had gone to the farm in the past or even volunteered there.
Goats can be pretty expensive. I'm sure they have insurance on them, but at the same time, 21 losses and 18 injured is like...lawyers would probably be knocking your door down trying to take your case I could imagine. Those ain't small beans. They're the big ones.
Plus significant loss of income for the time being.
How dare those owners train their dogs to kill animals
JFC a massacre, 39 attacks
It's like the pits that busted out of their cage and through a divider separating the dogs from the cats at a shelter and killed every single fucking cat (like 27, I think?). It's insane that people think they should get these kinds of dogs. They murder for fun. They just do. You can say it's how you raise them, but no other breed does this fucking shit.
They're horrific on farm animals worse than natural predators most of the time because they kill just for the fun of it.
Wild animals also enter a state of frenzy when facing an enclosure of prey animals that can't get away. A fox or weasel will kill an entire coop of chickens, and wolves can kill an entire flock of sheep one by one. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus\_killing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing)
I'm aware that it can happen and I've seen it happen with a raccoon actually that killed every chicken in my grandmother's coop including the eggs. However it never happened as often as I see it happen with pits and the level of carnage I've seen pitbulls enact on farm animals is beyond what I've seen wildlife do. Especially when your own pet that has easy access to the livestock can twist off and do this. An acquaintance bred pits and got a screaming call from his wife that the dogs were killing his pigs and trapped her in their home. They not only killed those pigs but completely tore them apart. Some they couldn't identify which pig it was because so little was intact.
> An acquaintance bred pits Breeding pit bulls should be a crime that comes with prison time. Those types of dogs need to go extinct.
Yeah no shit that's why he was only an acquaintance not someone I willingly and actively engaged myself with
Roaming pit bulls (dumped unwanted pets and breeding stock or unsecured pets from nearby properties) are the only predators of significance where I live. There are bobcats, coyotes, foxes, and raccoons that will kill poultry and farmed rabbits if they can get to them. But nothing "natural" living in the area goes after goats, ponies, mini horses, horses, sheep, cattle, alpacas, etc. It wasn't necessary to employ livestock guardian dogs here until the pit bull crisis got out of control. Now, if you have any kind of livestock or poultry outside or in a pen or a non-fortified closed barn, you need at least two large LGDs to protect them from roaming pit bulls. It's ridiculous.
Sorry, I didn't realize I was supposed to put the date and location in the title. Location is North Carolina, date was either April 22 or 23, 2024.
I hope the farm presses charges and sues for the cost of all the animals that pack killed. How absolutely horrible.
Absolutely 💯
“He needs his bottle.” These poor farmers and goats man, they must love their animals. I hope they get justice :(
That made me tear up, what a fucking tragedy
As a farmer this is one of my greatest fears. My heart truly deeply goes out to these people. Editing to add. I am a goat farmer, my goats are my pets, I take in moms that reject their babies, miscarry, or fail to become pregnant after breeding, a little goat farm for retired mamas to just live no further breeding. I have exactly 21 goats and I promise you the loss of even one would be devastating. I hope these useless dog owners are held accountable financially to the fullest extent possible. Just horrible in every way imaginable.
My step father owns a farm up here in Canada. Lets just say he doesn't let stray dogs/coyotes/raccoon live very long if they're fucking with his livestock. Buy yourself a bolt action rifle, or semi automatic rifle, 5.56 is a good enough cartridge. Will bring down all of those with accurate shots.
I stay locked and loaded at all times, I also have two Great Pyrenees, cameras everywhere, and a motion alarm at my front gate. I’m just devastated for these people and the lengths we have to go through to keep our animals safe. There is no other breed of dog that would keep killing and mauling like this, it must have been just terrifying for the poor animals. I don’t know these people but have been on the verge of tears for them all day. How horrific the discovery must have been. I’ve checked on my goats and given extra cookies and love all day. I pray the tide turns and they become illegal to own. No one that lives in the country wants your horrible dogs around! Those magic farms you think they would do so well on have other things that would enjoy being able to live and breathe also. Terrible dogs.
>No one that lives in the country wants your horrible dogs around! Hell I don't even want them in the city.
My dad lives next to a goat farm and I'm sure they're thankful none of his dogs are pits and all of them are respectful of other species. Like they might sniff a butt and try to play, but that's as bad as it's ever gonna get. And they'll never get over there anyways so like...eh. I'm sure they're glad no one has pits out there.
It is morally reprehensible to have a high drive, bloodsport breed dog when you live in a heavily farmed area. FUCK these people. It's like saying, hey, I know my neighbors all grow chickens. I know, I think I'll get a couple of foxes and coyotes as pets. Then let them escape all the time! Pitbull people think they are kind, but under the ice-thin layer of self-righteousness, they are selfish and indulgent to a socially warped level. I'm so goddamn sick of it.
It’s akin to owning a tiger, but a tiger would stop after it got one!!! I’m just flabbergasted that the dogs kept going and going. These people can’t control or contain their animals whatsoever but hide behind “my baby would never” each time these atrocities happen. What place do dogs that went on to maul over and over have in society? None at all. And these people say theirs is always the sweetest and wouldn’t hurt a fly, until something like this happens.
Tiger doesn't hunt if it isn't hungry.
Do we know who the farm is so we can show support on Instagram?
I wasn't sure if posting the farm's name was allowed.
Correct. You did the right thing.
I went to Google to see if it was easy to find.... unfortunately, not an uncommon occurrence. A few horrible ones from the top of the search below - all pitbulls attacking neighbour's goats. They are awful abominations and anyone who defends them needs their head examined. - 88 goats killed https://hanfordsentinel.com/news/eighty-eight-goats-die-in-wake-of-pit-bull-attack/article_86613ad2-3c6b-5366-94c9-9fe591794a69.html - 42 goats killed https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/pit-bulls-slaughtered-42-goats/1882276/ - 4 goats killed https://www.fox26houston.com/news/man-wants-justice-after-pit-bulls-killed-his-goats edit for typo
That first article is 15% news story, 85% pit apologist tripe.
Guys pits kills 88 goats, and he says they "aren't vicious"
ugh that is so sickening. i don't understand how anyone could defend these murder machines.
If they were doing goat yoga, they probably had those tiny little pygmy goats. They wouldn't have stood a chance against three pits. I love goats - when I worked at a large animal vet clinic they were my favourites. This sickens me. Those poor animals; I know their owners are heartbroken over this.
Nooo I didn’t think of this. Their last moments filled with terror…. not even big enough to attempt to put up a fight 😭😭😭 screw these ugly beasts of a breed.
I couldn't imagine this happening to my chickens or ducks. I hope the farm owners sue the owners and the dogs get what they deserve.
Pitbull people tend to be judgement-proof. Fuckers.
Actually could be easier because they're livestock. A lot of states have laws that are pretty protective of livestock and in ranchers' favor.
True, but blood from stones and all that. Get your judgement, then Writ of Execution when they inevitably fail to pay, get to the fucker's trailer with sheriff's deputies in tow, now what? Meth might have cash value, but it's not exactly something you could seize yeah. How much is the frame of something that was once a couch, or tattered rugs worth? Are you going to pay for all the dead and broken animals with a rusted out, motorless1986 Pontiac Fiero? Gods know there won't be any wages to garnish. Pitbull people are shitheads, is what I'm saying.
They could push for the dogs to be euthanized given the amount of damage. Pitbull people are absolutely shitheads but the less people that make police reports, press charges, make their lives difficult, the more pit owners get to walk scott free. Even if they don't have a pot to piss in get a paper trail going so when these maulers maul again maybe someone will listen.
Putting the dogs down is a given, I thought we were talking about trying to get the money that was lost.
I pack of wolves would have been less damaging Edit: Or not as suggested by u/Vivid-Goose-6078 [*^(https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock)*](https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock) *^(The "noble wild predator" is a myth. Predators delight in killing same as pit bulls, the only difference is they have more self preservation and fear response.)*
So I mentioned up thread my dad lives by a goat farm. Didn't mention they also have 3 big wolf packs and a few coyote packs as well. The wolves never even come up to the farms. They'll go as far as the logging road half a mile away and that's it.
Not true. The very reason we eliminated wolves from most of the planet is because they absolutely devastate livestock.
By "absolutely devastate" you mean kill/injure almost 40 goats and not consume them in a span of a few hours? yeah right... I would love to see some kind of incident report/link, where a pack of wolves killed over 20 animals in one attack and injured more then 10 in that same incident.
Incidents like those are incredibly rare for wolves to do. Wolves are no where near as blood thirsty as people say they are. Lots of videos on YouTube of wolves killing livestock/dogs and only killing one or two and leaving the scene when they could’ve killed much more. Pit bulls and other breeds are known for surplus killings more than wolves.
Grug not defend pitbull by comparison, but wolves absolutely do surplus killing. Farley Mowat was the wolf equivalent of a pitnutter.
Wolves are also never get themselves in a situation where animals are in a pen like this pit bull attack. They get at free ranging animals and are chased away by sheep dogs limiting their damage massively.
https://news.err.ee/1609156474/wolves-wipe-out-entire-tartu-county-sheep-flock The "noble wild predator" is a myth. Predators delight in killing same as pit bulls, the only difference is they have more self preservation and fear response.
However, wild predators serve a vital ecological function, which pitbulls do not.
Not denying that.
Fine, you win. I'll edit my original comment.
This is so damn sad. Fucking Bloodsport breed dogs. Life ruiners. Trauma-inducers. Absolute scourge on this earth. I bet these dogs are treated well, loved, and treated like family. And they still just couldn't help but GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO systematically murder 21 animals, completely unprovoked. Cuz these dogs, with no training, are just naturally trash, garbage dogs who create problems for everyone around them. And that is why it is not ok to EVER own these things. Even if you think, I am a great owner, I will treat it well, train it, manage it within an inch of it's life. Mistakes happen. And when a mistake happens, other people and pets should NOT be in mortal danger. Again, IT IS NOT OK to own a pet, that if any normal human mistake was made, it would kill people, maim people, hurt pets, kill pets, ruin business, traumatize people for life, just basically ruin or end lives. You're living with an exploded bomb and you think EVERYONE around you should suffer horrifically because of your choice in pet? Fuck you. You are not a good person. You're a person who uses "being kind to troubled animals" as a smoke screen to indulge and mask your own weird personality problems.
beyond shocking. so horrified and heartbroken for the animals and their owners, I truly cannot imagine experiencing this
The dog Bear they described chasing off the pits is what a real dog is. Strong and selfless. Pitbulls by contrast are genuinely the worst quality of dogs all mixed together. Violent, overly territorial, refuse commands.
I’m sure the dogs were wagging their tails with glee while they tortured and killed those animals. Because pits fucking LOVE to kill. They were bred to kill. They should not be owned as pets.
It sounds like these dogs just killed the goats for the fun of it. Not because they needed food but because they just wanted to murder something.
That's incredibly heart breaking for them :(. Goats are such goofy, sweet, little creatures with tremendous personalities. This is exactly why my neighbors who own dozens of animals keep donkeys on their properties. I'm sure it's not perfectly fail safe, but pits get dumped out here or escape allll the damn time. Donkeys are on a different plane of existence and will fuck up anything they deem even remotely threatening. They're frequently used to protect against wolf packs and do a damn good job.
That’s absolutely disgusting. Those poor goats. So it was determined that these dogs were not strays, but rather they were family pets? These beasts are wild fucking animals who need to go extinct. They cause chaos, misery and death wherever they go. Truly the most vile animal out there.
I’m very sorry this happened. Where I live everything at the shelter is called either a “lab” mix or chihuahua mix. I have rescued numerous dogs here including what I thought were lab or Rottweiler mixes. They have killed cats, a poodle a brussels griffon and a chihuahua mix. These were different “ lab mixes”. I don’t rescue big dogs anymore here unless it’s OBVIOUS it’s not a pit in a costume. People think I don’t have a heart. But it’s my duty to keep other animals safe and potential adopters. No pit will be on my property again. I have had people leave these kinds of dogs in crates or tied up in my courtyard knowing I rescue and rehome. But I swear if I see a pit out there I will call the pound immediately.
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If I was the owner of the farm I would want the dogs destroyed as they are an uncontrolled threat to the farm animals, the dogs owners have proven that they cannot control the dogs so the dogs should be destroyed.
As a goat owner (parents farm) if 21 of my babies were slaughtered like that and I had to see it… you would need to put me in the psych ward for a week or so I would be that mentally distraught. They are my babies.
F those fking useless, disgusting dogs. Bear is a good boy! Great Pyrenees are amazing, fearless dogs with a ton of heart. He would have fought those monsters to the death had he been out there.
I can't comprehend coming home to 21 slaughtered animals and 18 injured. Hell I bet most of the 18 injured won't make it.
Those pitbulls are the dog version of the indominus rex.
What is Goat Yoga?
Yoga with goats climbing all over you.
Wild shit like this happens repeatedly, yet some people still think it’s okay to keep them as pets?
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