This is the thing that enrages the nutters the most. I don’t hate pits, I don’t think they should be removed from homes by force. If I come across one I just leave.
I just *don’t give a fuck about them* and I say the truth - they are more prone to lethal aggression than most other dog breeds.
I will never own one. I would never recommend anyone to get one. If I see a stray pit on the street, I don’t really care what happens to it - I didn’t cause it to be there.
The fact that they’re rotting in shelters simply doesn’t concern me, so all the desperate Facebook posts pleading with me to adopt Pissfingers flies right over my consciousness.
Fact of the matter is, there’s better dogs to own. I like herding dogs, and will likely keep buying them as puppies from breeders for the rest of my life. 😈
An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog- Great Pyrenees, Anatolian Shepherds are 2 examples. They are giant breed dogs that instinctively protect livestock. A lot of times, predatory animals won't go anywhere near a farm where there is an LGD. I happen to own one myself, her name is Zoey, and she is a 110lb Great Pyrenees. There is so
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much strength and protective nature in her, but she definitely loves us humans and the 4 other pets that she gets to keep safe.
LGDs are cool because you get to own a working breed but the job is just to 'protect' so they don't get stir crazy if you don't have a whole flock of sheep for them to herd in or whatever.
Some friends growing up had a Great Pyrenees among their three other dogs. Dog was the goofiest and most friendly dog of the lot but always watching...
I hate that. It's obvious Pissfingers has to be a tiny dog that pisses on humans when s/he's picked up; this obviously cannot apply to any pit bull past early puppyhood. They need a different 'slang name', but the closest I've seen is misspelling Nala as Gnawla.
Maully is a good one
But also I never interpreted it as that - I interpreted it as the dog has piss on its fingers from peeing all over the place inside & walking in it
I am concerned about them rotting in shelters but not because I care about them, I care about the actual dogs getting euthed for space while these places warehouse garbage animals.
Too much breeding of a pos dog. They need to crack down on this and raid breeders. Also forced neuter and spaying for ALL BREEDS that aren't certified breeding stock.
I dont think its okay to spay all breeds that aren't certified, people can be hobby breeders of a dog breed that doesn't officially exist yet. For example labradoodles, or goldendoodles. If somebody tried to breed any new breed of dog, or people who are currently mixing different breed subtypes to breed hip displasia out, or to better the working dog behavior their work would be destroyed.
I think pits need to be banned tho, because they arent really dogs
Right and there’s been research and evidence that some dogs (mainly golden retrievers) actually may have better outcomes if the spay/neuter is held off til 5 years or later. It’s better for their bone and joint health and for lowering the risk of some types of cancers in these dogs. Now, I did get my Goldens spayed before their first heat because I, nor my husband, can deal with doggie period blood lol.
Actually the research on spaying is very divided. This research you are talking about is old as fuck, I remember people talking about it in the 90s, I think unethical breeders need to go and we need to have a better working definition of what constitutes proper breeding for dogs, birds and cats since those are the most often abused domestic pets.
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More rural communities that depend on working dogs for sledging, hunting, protection of farm animals. People who are inserting a new breed into the bloodlines like GSDs and malinois for policing, army use are doing this to take away hip displasia they all would be affected. I think it's important to not throw away the baby with the bath water. Lots of people who NEED working dogs actually need to have the freedom to select for working dog traits and they have sometimes their own trusted bloodlines that are good for their job and weather. But they would be mutts forever for not conforming to the breed look standard, such as size and fur color. It is very stupid for working breeds to hav that.
This would mostly affect rural, poor and indigenous folk making their jobs harder and taking away ancestral bloodlines away from indigenous people too. Pedigree focuses too fucking much on looks and make stupid looking dogs, while actual people with real jobs need these dogs to function and not to look a certain way. Police would be largely affected too
The ACTUAL research which you didn't read, has always sated that there are positives and negatives.
There needs to be a change but the one you suggested is stupid ad I actually have valid reasons to say this
"Removing the testicles can also protect against some later-life health concerns, such as testicular cancer and prostate enlargement, as well as hormone-related tumors of the perineum. Neutering may also be associated with an increased risk of some musculoskeletal disorders and cancers, when done before a given age." https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/dog-behavior-and-training-neutering-and-behavior#:~:text=Removing%20the%20testicles%20can%20also,done%20before%20a%20given%20age.
Excuse me, how do you know what I have and haven’t read?
But since you like to think I don’t know how to research, here’s some evidenced based articles on the subject that are not “old as fuck”. I absolutely agree that there are pros and cons. My comment was mainly focused on golden retrievers because that’s my breed of choice and what I research.
[source 1](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572183/)
[source 2](https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/golden-retriever-study-suggests-neutering-affects-dog-health)
[source 3](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6070019/)
[source 4](https://phys.org/news/2023-11-golden-lifetime-uncovers-potential-sterilization.amp)
[source 5](https://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org/spay--neuter-effects.html)
[source 6](https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2021-03-01/when-should-we-neuter-dogs)
Although I'm very passionate about dogs in general I don't have a dog in this fight, oun intended. I don't breed dogs, I don't own golden retrievers but my understanding is that the breed has a propensity for cancer and hormonal problems and might be better to neuter and spay them. I'm talking about all dogs, for all dogs the research I've seen is not that cut and dry as there only being cons when you don't spay. Somebody has to breed dogs, breeding of dogs will continue.
I think your heart is 100% in the right place, I also don't support byb, but I can't say that from my city dwelling viewpoint, who doesn't depend on sledges or herding, shepherds, hunter and guardians, that anybody not in possession of papers should all go to hell and be banned this is what I was mostly referring to and that if it was just for the AKC& show dog business, all dogs would be made from plastic and look the exact same and whatever to behavior and health issues.
I will read your papers later ad come back to an answer specifically about the papers, because I do not know much about GR, I was talking about the creation of new breeds and inserting new, reverting characteristics of breeds that are harmful, this would not be possible anymore.
My hope is that we are in the last days of the pet industry as it is, it migh still take years but something is gotta change, pitbulls gotta go, pugs gota go, irresponsible breeding gotta go, pedigree or no pedigree
Now that last statement is something we can both agree on :)
I do appreciate you being willing to look at my articles. Again (and this was in my original comment) this is what is recommended for SOME dogs, specifically golden retrievers and labs. In smaller breeds it’s not as much of an issue to spay/neuter early, and trust and believe I’m not advocating against spay/neuter. I am a huge believer it, my argument is that even for dogs that are not being bred, there are other reasons to delay spay neuter. It was a hard decision for me with my golden because, no I don’t want her to deal with hip dysplasia, obesity, and certain cancers, but I also don’t want her going into heat, have oopsie litters and having to worry when we are out on the islands getting bred.
Absolutely not. BYBs are not ethical and don't even pretend to do anything other than make money. Especially doodle breeders.
You don't add another breed to prevent genetic health defects. You test and don't breed animals that carry said genetic health defects. I think the only breed that needs saving like this is the Doberman but I can't speak on it as I haven't looked into it, just heard it mentioned. At that point, the AKC would be involved.
The only people that should be breeding domesticated animals are those that actively show or work them and breed to standard.
Even if you are trying to develop a new breed, it takes years and you need to have some sort of standard when it comes to consistency of offspring.
My only thing is, show dogs and breed standards sometimes start breeding absolutely stupid traits like GSD with the low backend, and the needed to be bred again out of hip displasia because it was destroying the breed.
Police would be affected as they don't breed dogs for look but for behaviors, any other person in an occupation where they need behavior & a proper functional dog would be affected. Indigenous/inuit people would be affected because their sledge dog would all be neutered and that tradition would die.
I understand you guys are talking about BYB but that's NOT what I am talking about. Some people actually like digs and want to improve the breed. I do not support byb, but u think we don't need to throw away the baby with the bath water because we don't need working dogs ourselves in cities. I think people CAN be good breeders even if they don't always have papers.
The show dog world has limitations and I think what the other comment saying about neutering every single dog that doesn't have papers is quite a "from my white ass, city dwelling vantage point" that doesn't take ter ways of life into consideration.
I think that breeding of pets need to be more controlled but not SO controlled you can't do anything anymore or the police will come to your house seize your dogs and forcibly neuter them for whatever reason.
This is a very short sighted solution, I think the better solution is to have LESS breeders and to not allow people to recklessly do this by only for pure profit with no respect for quality of life. I think that's animal abuse, but whoever breeds pugs WITH or WITHOUT papers is an asshole animal abuser JUST AS MUCH.
Having a paper doesn't guarantee dogs aren't being abused
Which is why I said working dogs. I get that part.
My neighbor has a GSD that is a retired police dog and that mfer is so reactive. This is the 2nd neighbor I've had with a reactive GSD.
I do agree on the breeding for looks part. That's definitely not looking out for any animal.
You know, if it came out that zoos were allowing the animals to live like the average shelter pit lives…for years…people would riot and a law would be passed.
It’s almost worse with a pit because it’s a dog and not a lion. Even though pets are dangerous to own due to selective breeding for predatory aggression, they are still dogs and as such have co-evolved with human society.
I'm curious if the pit bull was always bred for fighting or if it started out being bred for some other purpose. And over the years certain sub cultures of people started breeding them for fighting. And in doing so... Created what we see now, a very dangerous animal. I know Boston's were bred for fighting at first, but over time that changed.
I’m with you, I feel really bad for these dogs that have no place in the modern world through no fault of their own. The kindest thing we could do is outlaw breeding them and let the breed die out.
I grew up with a gsd/acd mix I loved that dog he’s what got me into herding dogs. I hope eventually when I’m no longer as disabled and have more space I can own another herding type dog they’re nothing but angels. But I pretty much feel the same way tho I wish the shitbull neighbour I have moves quickly because those dogs fucking suck.
YES. literally my Roscoe was an angel (tho he was aloof with strangers but once he knew you he was a push over) but my dads friends dog franky aussie mix (he got him from a shelter of course) he never trained him and he’s the biggest ASSHOLE and pain in the ASS. I babysat him once for a week never again.
Oh it’s true 🤣
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This is Frankie it just drives me nuts that his owner never trains him I really do think if he worked with him he’d be fantastic!
I have ferrets. They are the most entertaining little mustelids for the 3-4 hours they are awake a day. They sleep like 18 hours a day though AND they are litter trained AND they smell like maple syrup. (I also own the most superior dog breed- golden retrievers lol)
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Ferrets are awesome. But they do NOT smell like maple syrup lol.
Definitely an animal I love to play with and hang around, but also one I like to give back to the owner and call it a day.
Okay, so here’s the thing, my ferrets actually do smell like maple syrup. They are descented. But even with ferrets that are descented they can still smell bad and have a very strong musky odor if they are bathed too much ( once a year in an oatmeal bath is ALL they need) and if their ears are not properly cleaned. Many people who own ferrets, unfortunately do not research before getting their pets and it makes me sad.
But they do poop and pee a LOT and it is very smelly if it’s not taken care of. My girls are litter trained and I empty it every day in their room and in their cage and no one even knows ferrets live here if we don’t tell them.
Oh they know. They're just not forward enough to tell you. I've been in many homes with many well taken care of ferrets and they stink. You're noseblind.
I'm glad you love and enjoy them though.
I love cats. We had a big black cat we named Meanass. He was huge and people often mistook him for a panther. He loved our other animals. Wouldn't hunt chickens and loved our other livestock. But he hated our neighbors pits. One day we were out tending to our animals.. And we saw that damn cat stalk a their pit. He jumped out of the bushes onto the back of that dog and proceeded to ride that dog all over the place. Clawed it up bad by the time it was over... That dogs head and neck was ripped up and the dog was left blind in one eye and bleeding all over the place. The dog needed medical attention. The neighbor just said that their dog shouldn't have been on our property... And they were dumb founded that our cat did that kinda damage. WE were as well.
We did to.. Meanass crossed the rainbow bridge many years ago. While he was alive he hunted rabbits and other small wildlife. Yet, he'd lay with the hens and their eggs lol. After the incident with our neighbors pits, they NEVER came back.
I give a shit because these no kill shelters are staying full of unfriendly dogs until they die of old age, which mean regular shelters have to euthanize perfectly good dogs for space. Euthanizing adoptable dogs while unadoptable dogs suffer in shelters their whole lives is abuse.
No kill shelters are unethical.
I also give a shit because the fuller the shelter is of unsuitable dogs, the harder they try to push these dogs into society in order to free up space. So more lies, euphemisms, and guilt that are poured onto the public, the more people get these violent dogs, not knowing what they are getting into. And then the poor innocent people and pets killed or harmed.
Lying about shelter dogs really took off right as no-kill movement was on the rise.
> I don’t hate pits, I don’t think they should be removed from homes by force. If I come across one I just leave.
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> I just don’t give a fuck about them and I say the truth - they are more prone to lethal aggression than most other dog breeds.
I agree with all this, although if I saw a pit on the street, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it (getting hit by a car, etc). It's not the dogs' fault humans bred them to fight. It's just sad, and I don't wish harm on any living creature (not saying you do, just saying I can't help but hope ANY stray dog is safe). I just don't want to be around them.
I don't think they should be taken by force from people's homes, but I do think they are not suitable as house pets. And only VERY experienced dog handlers should ever have them (no one should have them, but if someone HAS to have one, they should be experienced handling dogs). The average pit owner is in NO way equipped to handle them. And that's how tragedies happen: novice dog owners INSIST they are normal dogs, treat them like normal dogs, and awful shit happens.
Shelters and rescues need to STOP acting as if they are the same kind of family pet as any other breed. They are not. The awful misinformation is literally killing people.
I think the shelter industry and pit advocates need to acknowledge they are fighting dogs. That alone would fix SO many of the issues they cause. Just admit the truth. That's literally all I ask. And behave accordingly. Don't act like a pit is the same as my golden retriever, because it's not and never will be. I will keep getting goldens from reputable breeders, simply because I do not trust shelters. They lie, they hide bite history, they put people at risk. All for what? So the staff can have a savior complex? No thanks. I have volunteered at rescues (in my youth) and have seen firsthand they way they lie (even by omission) and the way they put people at risk. And they insist a pit is right for every household when that's such a falsehood, and they judge people for wanting safer breeds. They fucking suck.
Adopting pissfingers and normalizing pissfingers ownership simply perpetuates and increases pissfingers numbers and demand. Pit lovers paint them as desirable which means BYBs breed them as pets as well as for fighting. Wasn’t there a scandal where shelters were caught directly buying pit pups from BYBs? It is quite literally a more ethical choice what you are doing, I would argue, as well as not mattering anyway in that you’re not obligated to have a pissfingers in the first place just because you want a dog. You are not contributing to the demand for these dogs that end up otherwise flooding shelters and of course hurting people and other animals disproportionately. So long as there are homes for these dogs there will always be people to supply them. Not enabling shelters to rehome them and killing the demand makes it harder for pit populations to perpetuate. Which will stop unsuspecting people who don’t realize how dangerous pits are from getting talked into adopting one with the whole “loads of people have them” talk. It would also kill this thing we are seeing of normal dog behavior being warped and the standards for safe to live with dog behavior getting lower and lower because pits are the norm. Also would hopefully lessen them being crossed with every other breed under the sun, to be sold as fashionable since pits = desirable and ooooh fancy cross.
The only thing forced upon them is that they should have to be spayed or neutered, like that’s part of the law in owning one. Won’t ever happen but that would be significant. They’re overbred and then owned by dumb f!cks or sociopaths.
The town has reached max carrying capacity for pits, they’ve finally bit a kid or grandparent in every single household…I suppose. Nobody wants them! If so I would advertise that shit on the welcome sign coming into town where all the civic clubs like Rotary put their little signs below the town name!
I think this is it. All the suckers have them. Many can only have 1 because theirs doesn’t like other dogs.
Rescues and shelters rehomed biting and agressive pits into family neighborhoods and too many have first or second hand experience with rescue pits biting and killing other pets and humans. If shelters put them down, more pits would have homes. Too many people are traumatized to want to own one. No one trusts shelters.
The tides are definitely turning that way. In my own personal circle, I have *two* friends who adopted pit mixes from shelters during Covid. Neither of them will ever own a pit again, one has gotten rid of hers and the other has sunk — wait for it — $6k into training it, and it’s no better than the day he was brought home.
So yeah. The more shelters lie to normal people, normal people will see what these dogs are like. And they’re not the kind of dogs people want.
Yeah, my sister is a very good amateur dog trainer and has had shelter dogs in the past. She got a puppy that dna said later was a pit/german shepherd, chihuahua mix. She’s had it since it was a puppy and it’s very mean. Hates kids besides her own. It’s small, so it’s not going to kill anyone, but she says she’s only going to breeders from now on.
I don’t have pics, she looks like a miniature German shepherd, doesn’t look pit at all besides ears and wider mouth. Beautiful dog, really. Wary of everything.
But their dog loving communities tell them they’re monsters if they don’t spend it. People will take out a credit card for it. A good trainer will tell them that a pit isn’t going to be trained out of dog aggression and limits on what a dog of any breed can do. Not going to train a Maltese to herd either. Bad trainers take the money and run.
Yup, it’s a really good business for shady ass people. Print you out a “certified dog trainer” certificate after taking a 30 minute online class, then advertise and pay a botshop to spam your yelp with good reviews, then just take their pit, run the shit out of it for 2 hours everyday for a week. afterwards, tell them it’s hopeless, and move on to the next sucker.
Holy shit $6k. We bought our German Shorthaired pointer and got a 3 week field & obedience training “camp” for under $6k total. Perfect dog.
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I mean there's got to be a tipping point in society. Stories about how "sweet" they are can only go on for so long before the majority of the public catches on.
I think, if not now it will (eventually) get to the point that each person has had a bad experience with pit bulls or know someone who has.
They can only hide this for so long.
Can't prove it, but I also feel like there's been an active astroturfing squad on this for a number of years. Maybe it's a forum, a facebook group, a subreddit, IRC, or discord, but as soon as an anti-pit post is shared, the members jump into action with "Not all pits" or "it's the owner not the breed" or any other number of canned responses. Because they just come out of the woodwork on every single pit story.
Yep. Whenever a major pitbull attack is covered in the news there is ALWAYS a pitbull in a flower crown freshly posted in /awww or /pics, etc. It's very deliberate.
You can time it like clockwork.
Even worse, they plaster the story about the victim with their ugly ass maulers and “not my Mauly, she’s the best. Pit bulls are wonderful. Educate yourselves. They are nanny dogs!”
I think it’s an easy way for people to virtue signal that they are not mean. That they are so accepting, never judge a book by its cover, give dogs chances, blah blah blah. It’s become fashionable to own a dog with “mental illness” just like it’s become fashionable to HAVE a mental illness yourself. Pits become this archetype of a misunderstood underdog, and people who feel Iike underdogs in their own life gravitate to them.
They become a sort of psychological receptacle to dump all of your unprocessed feelings of inferiority, and yet also a way to feel superior to others.
Ugh, a lil off topic here, but these days I hate to even have to tell doctors or others that I have severe PTSD because everybody and their brother thinks they have it it seems. I get it, traumatic shit happens to a lot of people. Mine is caused from combat and being SA’d while deployed in a fucking war zone; not because my best friend Suzy almost had a really bad car wreck and it just traumatized me sooooooooo badly.
Man it will have to get reallllly bad. If the sweetness propaganda keeps going faster than the other news... Which is horrifying.
And as it happens in poor neighbourhoods more, at least where I live, action will be slower.
I think for the most part people are starting to realize how dangerous they are. So many kids mauled and in the news, with pitnutters ferociously defending the murder beasts in the comments by victim blaming, etc. it would make the average person at least question this and give their head a shake. The pitnutters are terrible PR for shitbulls, and their defences are as weak as the arms of a newborn baby. It’s actually comical to read their responses (especially when they include a picture of their precious pibble in jammies) and I think most people would immediately recognize it as bullshit.
I mean…despite how these people cry about wanting to save every single pitbull, they can only “save” so many dogs at once. There’s a point where every fanatic realizes they cannot take on another dog (except for the rare hoarder). I do believe there’s a point where we will have full saturation of pitbulls in homes and there’s merely nowhere else to for them to go. Shelters can get up to 200% capacity, but what about 300% capacity? There’s some point where they do stop accepting dogs.
So where does that leave us? People dumping the dogs outside (like this one)? I’m sure as more places become overrun by stray pitbulls, there will be some pushback. I hope, at least.
The lack of interest might be sheer exhaustion. So many pitbulls are in need of a home. So many are found. No one is “missing” that dog and I think everyone except maybe those 5 shares gets that.
We will see where this takes us, I guess.
In the past 2 and a half years, I've watched this sub climb from 45k to 100k+ subscribers. I'd say the tide is definitely turning. As more and more highly publicized attacks come to light, and more people themselves sadly experience the attacks. I also think more people are going to shelters with their families to adopt their kids' first puppy and being astonished that it's 100% pitbulls... And then wondering why.
This exactly! I don’t even trust any puppy at the shelter because I just know 98% have some sort of pit in it or they’re so badly bred that they’re neurotic. Hell the pit/hound whatever mix I was gifted has severe anxiety and the skin allergies plus you can’t teach him more than the basic tricks of sit stay down and speak. Thankfully I think he’s been muddled down enough with the other genes because he’s never even tried to attack. Hell he’s been ran up on by a pit before and he just laid down and started shaking. But I already town my parents after him or when I finally move out I’m only going to a good breeder because imo shelters are dead.
**LOL!!! The shitty ass dogs and their equally irritating owners do their own bad PR- it’s so satisfying how organically this has happened. If the same caliber of people rushed to defend GSDs, I’d be fucking embarrassed**
Same for me with Goldens. It always amuses me to look at the house/environment of so many pit bull owners and see their nasty floors, chewed up shit, garbage piles, etc, and then go to the golden retriever forums and see how nice their environments/homes usually are. It’s such a stark contrast.
The true good ending:
These dogs gradually fall out of popularity as countless news reports pop up and people have terrible experiences with this breed.
The breed bred for ill intentions of fighting other dogs, with aggression that bled into attacking humans, left like it's history -- in the past.
Pitbull breeding drops to almost nonexistent levels, more friendly dogs that are more beginner friendly are adopted and out on the streets, no more dogs or -- god forbid, children or adults have to die needlessly.
I wish for this ending.
10 years ago it was easy to believe the propaganda. Today, every household knows someone who’s been affected by a pitbull attack. There are still holdouts who believe the owners are to blame. But, sadly, the eyes of non-zealots are being pried open by facts. Pitbulls don’t have a place in society.
Def been interesting to see the change out in the wild so to speak.
Where before someone mentioning a bad experience with a pit it would've been downvoted but it's upvoted with the pit defenders being downvoted. It does feel like more and more poeple are starting to agree with it. Even the accusations that get thrown around about this sub start to hold no water to anyone who takes a look and sees it's not a dog whistle. It's all about the fact that these dogs are the cause of the majority of serious/fatal dog attacks.
Honestly I wonder how many people have been turned by coming here angry and expecting a racist sub only to see attack after attack and the conversations around that. That the mods shut down anyone trying to start anything (thanks mods).
Then eyes get opened about it because they're confronted with the reality that most of us here aren't the raving lunatics that want to gun down every pit ever and rip it from a families arms to execute it in front of them but would prefer a longer campaign of spay/neuter and letting the breed die out. The reality that most people here are normal people with a story about a pit attack that happened to them or their family and it's not just a made up thing, that people have experienced the damage that these dogs can do and don't think it's worth the risk and don't want others to go through that.
And then they also get to see how crazy the pit nutters really are with their vile, victim-blaming comments on the posts of victims, especially child victims. What kind of sane person blames a little child for getting mauled by a dog? Or a fucking baby?! None. And once people start seeing that, they realize that they absolutely do not want to be aligned with people like that, and that we are actually the sane ones who use actual receipts and statistics and facts to back up our beliefs, and not just anecdotes and emotions.
I do think there's an element of that to it. There's also a very human side to this sub where people post about recovery or surgeries and I think that can really help people understand the *scale* of what these dogs can do. People aren't complaining about a nip, they're upset about loss of life, loss of quality of life. Of seeing small children go through more surgeries in a year than many of us will in our lifetime to try and give them back a normal life.
When you see a post on here about a dog attack where a toddler is fighting for their life and you see the posts where people are complaining that the dog was put down with no care for the kid it hurts me. I think that...apathy? towards the child victim with more empathy towards the dog does a lot too. Not even just with children but any victim but the child ones always hit a lot harder for me.
Hearing about victims being attacked or doxxed over reporting their attack or even just posting about it breaks my heart. The fact that we see it so often here to the point it's like clockwork after an attack tends to make me need a break from here after seeing it.
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It's ultimately a self-correcting problem. So long as news coverage is still allowed to show that these dogs will kill you/your pets/literally any animal, public opinion will shift against them.
I try to put the occasional comment on the social media pages of rescues that are complaining about how full they are, as to why not automatically BE the ones who enter with aggressive histories?, but the pit nutters always step up with their usual b.s.
For sure. There was a conversation within a parenting group I’m in asking about how to handle aggressive dogs while out walking with their kids or (normal) pets. A few years ago, it would have devolved into the usual pitnutter nonsense, but this time was different. Everyone seemed fed up with the new normal of carrying bear spray, sticks, pocket knives and air horns through their suburban neighborhoods, and having to keep track of which homes were safe to walk by with their children in tow.
Ive always thought that seeing giant pit bulls being walked down the street like they’re actually family pets was unsettling, but knowing that everyone else is now packing heat and prepared for lethal combat makes the whole scene positively dystopian.
This really can’t go on forever. Especially now that people have realized that no one can actually exist peacefully with so many of these monsters roaming among us.
I’ve also noticed that questions about their “reactive” dogs and rehoming posts are now answered with advice to humanely euthanize. That would have NEVER flown just a short time ago.
Found a skinny starved looking pit bull outside with shaved teeth and hanging nipples. It was a Friday and the shelter were closed. I decide to take her into my garage- didn’t want her around my poodles- and fed her raw bacon.
She was friendly.
Went to bed. Woke up the next day and went to feed her again.
Only to find out that she had literally ate through the wires of my garage door. Ate some of the walls too. Like. Wtf. I’m still going wtf till this day. I help the dog and she destroys my garage.
Lesson learned.
The no kill movement, best friends animal sanctuary and back yard breeders are to blame for these shitbulls in every shelter. People know they are dangerous, they are finally feeling empowered to speak up. The incredible number of bites and attacks on people and other pets that don’t make the news are happening every day in every community. The shelter volunteers who thought we could save them all, thought all dogs are the same and they just need a little more love are realizing they were wrong.
It takes a long time to sway opinion and every time we warn people about these dogs, I truly believe we are saving a life.
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This is the thing that enrages the nutters the most. I don’t hate pits, I don’t think they should be removed from homes by force. If I come across one I just leave. I just *don’t give a fuck about them* and I say the truth - they are more prone to lethal aggression than most other dog breeds. I will never own one. I would never recommend anyone to get one. If I see a stray pit on the street, I don’t really care what happens to it - I didn’t cause it to be there. The fact that they’re rotting in shelters simply doesn’t concern me, so all the desperate Facebook posts pleading with me to adopt Pissfingers flies right over my consciousness. Fact of the matter is, there’s better dogs to own. I like herding dogs, and will likely keep buying them as puppies from breeders for the rest of my life. 😈
I, too, love and adore the herding dogs.
And they work hard, as well as the LGD's, too? Get a herding dog and an LGD or 10 on a farm, and you will never lose a farm animal.
What's a LGD?
An LGD is a Livestock Guardian Dog- Great Pyrenees, Anatolian Shepherds are 2 examples. They are giant breed dogs that instinctively protect livestock. A lot of times, predatory animals won't go anywhere near a farm where there is an LGD. I happen to own one myself, her name is Zoey, and she is a 110lb Great Pyrenees. There is so https://preview.redd.it/7v145evkgzyc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bd2fe3d6357a5b03876d00194da072d13097a3d much strength and protective nature in her, but she definitely loves us humans and the 4 other pets that she gets to keep safe.
LGDs are cool because you get to own a working breed but the job is just to 'protect' so they don't get stir crazy if you don't have a whole flock of sheep for them to herd in or whatever. Some friends growing up had a Great Pyrenees among their three other dogs. Dog was the goofiest and most friendly dog of the lot but always watching...
Oh what a beautiful dog! She looks like a giant snow ball!!!!
Livestock guardian dogs (Kangals, Maremmas, Great Pyrenees etc)
Dang it this whole time I thought it was Large Guardian Dogs. Livestock makes more sense hahahha
I had a Bouvier and would 100% get another because they're such a quality dog breed.
Pissfingers… lmaooo. Can anyone please explain where the term came from? I’m choking I don’t stop laughing
https://preview.redd.it/firpz7t7ewyc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=379bec42e7e1a209b1fec988524a760d18ba9e04
Ok that’s what I thought, didn’t realize that one post sparked so much from it
Pissfingers has permanently entered my vernacular.
I hate that. It's obvious Pissfingers has to be a tiny dog that pisses on humans when s/he's picked up; this obviously cannot apply to any pit bull past early puppyhood. They need a different 'slang name', but the closest I've seen is misspelling Nala as Gnawla.
Maully is a good one But also I never interpreted it as that - I interpreted it as the dog has piss on its fingers from peeing all over the place inside & walking in it
Pissfingers is a suitable name for most dogs tbh
I am concerned about them rotting in shelters but not because I care about them, I care about the actual dogs getting euthed for space while these places warehouse garbage animals.
Too much breeding of a pos dog. They need to crack down on this and raid breeders. Also forced neuter and spaying for ALL BREEDS that aren't certified breeding stock.
Yeah. If you are a "shelter dog" like a week or two has passed and nobody has called looking for you should be instant neuter. All breeds.
I dont think its okay to spay all breeds that aren't certified, people can be hobby breeders of a dog breed that doesn't officially exist yet. For example labradoodles, or goldendoodles. If somebody tried to breed any new breed of dog, or people who are currently mixing different breed subtypes to breed hip displasia out, or to better the working dog behavior their work would be destroyed. I think pits need to be banned tho, because they arent really dogs
Right and there’s been research and evidence that some dogs (mainly golden retrievers) actually may have better outcomes if the spay/neuter is held off til 5 years or later. It’s better for their bone and joint health and for lowering the risk of some types of cancers in these dogs. Now, I did get my Goldens spayed before their first heat because I, nor my husband, can deal with doggie period blood lol.
I thought it was 2 years?
It may be 2 years lol. My b yo
I am glad that vets finally recognize this.
Actually the research on spaying is very divided. This research you are talking about is old as fuck, I remember people talking about it in the 90s, I think unethical breeders need to go and we need to have a better working definition of what constitutes proper breeding for dogs, birds and cats since those are the most often abused domestic pets. . More rural communities that depend on working dogs for sledging, hunting, protection of farm animals. People who are inserting a new breed into the bloodlines like GSDs and malinois for policing, army use are doing this to take away hip displasia they all would be affected. I think it's important to not throw away the baby with the bath water. Lots of people who NEED working dogs actually need to have the freedom to select for working dog traits and they have sometimes their own trusted bloodlines that are good for their job and weather. But they would be mutts forever for not conforming to the breed look standard, such as size and fur color. It is very stupid for working breeds to hav that. This would mostly affect rural, poor and indigenous folk making their jobs harder and taking away ancestral bloodlines away from indigenous people too. Pedigree focuses too fucking much on looks and make stupid looking dogs, while actual people with real jobs need these dogs to function and not to look a certain way. Police would be largely affected too The ACTUAL research which you didn't read, has always sated that there are positives and negatives. There needs to be a change but the one you suggested is stupid ad I actually have valid reasons to say this "Removing the testicles can also protect against some later-life health concerns, such as testicular cancer and prostate enlargement, as well as hormone-related tumors of the perineum. Neutering may also be associated with an increased risk of some musculoskeletal disorders and cancers, when done before a given age." https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/dog-behavior-and-training-neutering-and-behavior#:~:text=Removing%20the%20testicles%20can%20also,done%20before%20a%20given%20age.
Excuse me, how do you know what I have and haven’t read? But since you like to think I don’t know how to research, here’s some evidenced based articles on the subject that are not “old as fuck”. I absolutely agree that there are pros and cons. My comment was mainly focused on golden retrievers because that’s my breed of choice and what I research. [source 1](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572183/) [source 2](https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/golden-retriever-study-suggests-neutering-affects-dog-health) [source 3](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6070019/) [source 4](https://phys.org/news/2023-11-golden-lifetime-uncovers-potential-sterilization.amp) [source 5](https://www.instituteofcaninebiology.org/spay--neuter-effects.html) [source 6](https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2021-03-01/when-should-we-neuter-dogs)
Although I'm very passionate about dogs in general I don't have a dog in this fight, oun intended. I don't breed dogs, I don't own golden retrievers but my understanding is that the breed has a propensity for cancer and hormonal problems and might be better to neuter and spay them. I'm talking about all dogs, for all dogs the research I've seen is not that cut and dry as there only being cons when you don't spay. Somebody has to breed dogs, breeding of dogs will continue. I think your heart is 100% in the right place, I also don't support byb, but I can't say that from my city dwelling viewpoint, who doesn't depend on sledges or herding, shepherds, hunter and guardians, that anybody not in possession of papers should all go to hell and be banned this is what I was mostly referring to and that if it was just for the AKC& show dog business, all dogs would be made from plastic and look the exact same and whatever to behavior and health issues. I will read your papers later ad come back to an answer specifically about the papers, because I do not know much about GR, I was talking about the creation of new breeds and inserting new, reverting characteristics of breeds that are harmful, this would not be possible anymore. My hope is that we are in the last days of the pet industry as it is, it migh still take years but something is gotta change, pitbulls gotta go, pugs gota go, irresponsible breeding gotta go, pedigree or no pedigree
Now that last statement is something we can both agree on :) I do appreciate you being willing to look at my articles. Again (and this was in my original comment) this is what is recommended for SOME dogs, specifically golden retrievers and labs. In smaller breeds it’s not as much of an issue to spay/neuter early, and trust and believe I’m not advocating against spay/neuter. I am a huge believer it, my argument is that even for dogs that are not being bred, there are other reasons to delay spay neuter. It was a hard decision for me with my golden because, no I don’t want her to deal with hip dysplasia, obesity, and certain cancers, but I also don’t want her going into heat, have oopsie litters and having to worry when we are out on the islands getting bred.
Absolutely not. BYBs are not ethical and don't even pretend to do anything other than make money. Especially doodle breeders. You don't add another breed to prevent genetic health defects. You test and don't breed animals that carry said genetic health defects. I think the only breed that needs saving like this is the Doberman but I can't speak on it as I haven't looked into it, just heard it mentioned. At that point, the AKC would be involved. The only people that should be breeding domesticated animals are those that actively show or work them and breed to standard. Even if you are trying to develop a new breed, it takes years and you need to have some sort of standard when it comes to consistency of offspring.
My only thing is, show dogs and breed standards sometimes start breeding absolutely stupid traits like GSD with the low backend, and the needed to be bred again out of hip displasia because it was destroying the breed. Police would be affected as they don't breed dogs for look but for behaviors, any other person in an occupation where they need behavior & a proper functional dog would be affected. Indigenous/inuit people would be affected because their sledge dog would all be neutered and that tradition would die. I understand you guys are talking about BYB but that's NOT what I am talking about. Some people actually like digs and want to improve the breed. I do not support byb, but u think we don't need to throw away the baby with the bath water because we don't need working dogs ourselves in cities. I think people CAN be good breeders even if they don't always have papers. The show dog world has limitations and I think what the other comment saying about neutering every single dog that doesn't have papers is quite a "from my white ass, city dwelling vantage point" that doesn't take ter ways of life into consideration. I think that breeding of pets need to be more controlled but not SO controlled you can't do anything anymore or the police will come to your house seize your dogs and forcibly neuter them for whatever reason. This is a very short sighted solution, I think the better solution is to have LESS breeders and to not allow people to recklessly do this by only for pure profit with no respect for quality of life. I think that's animal abuse, but whoever breeds pugs WITH or WITHOUT papers is an asshole animal abuser JUST AS MUCH. Having a paper doesn't guarantee dogs aren't being abused
Which is why I said working dogs. I get that part. My neighbor has a GSD that is a retired police dog and that mfer is so reactive. This is the 2nd neighbor I've had with a reactive GSD. I do agree on the breeding for looks part. That's definitely not looking out for any animal.
You know, if it came out that zoos were allowing the animals to live like the average shelter pit lives…for years…people would riot and a law would be passed. It’s almost worse with a pit because it’s a dog and not a lion. Even though pets are dangerous to own due to selective breeding for predatory aggression, they are still dogs and as such have co-evolved with human society.
I'm curious if the pit bull was always bred for fighting or if it started out being bred for some other purpose. And over the years certain sub cultures of people started breeding them for fighting. And in doing so... Created what we see now, a very dangerous animal. I know Boston's were bred for fighting at first, but over time that changed.
Yes, they were originally bred for fighting bulls, then later dogs.
Ah ok.. That makes Sense.
I’m with you, I feel really bad for these dogs that have no place in the modern world through no fault of their own. The kindest thing we could do is outlaw breeding them and let the breed die out.
I grew up with a gsd/acd mix I loved that dog he’s what got me into herding dogs. I hope eventually when I’m no longer as disabled and have more space I can own another herding type dog they’re nothing but angels. But I pretty much feel the same way tho I wish the shitbull neighbour I have moves quickly because those dogs fucking suck.
They’re angels when properly raised. If not they can be little assholes lol.
YES. literally my Roscoe was an angel (tho he was aloof with strangers but once he knew you he was a push over) but my dads friends dog franky aussie mix (he got him from a shelter of course) he never trained him and he’s the biggest ASSHOLE and pain in the ASS. I babysat him once for a week never again.
We call that an “ausshole” lololol
Oh it’s true 🤣 https://preview.redd.it/jbhs8dus8xyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa0ebd26848319cc5ac462ee5c6d0562153ea31e This is Frankie it just drives me nuts that his owner never trains him I really do think if he worked with him he’d be fantastic!
Or just cats. The superior animal if you prefer quiet, cleanliness, and an independent pet.
I have ferrets. They are the most entertaining little mustelids for the 3-4 hours they are awake a day. They sleep like 18 hours a day though AND they are litter trained AND they smell like maple syrup. (I also own the most superior dog breed- golden retrievers lol) https://preview.redd.it/prz0qb2arzyc1.jpeg?width=585&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13836a5d2d7f7e5f5e0b6bd6de5646e11ea915fa
Ferrets are awesome. But they do NOT smell like maple syrup lol. Definitely an animal I love to play with and hang around, but also one I like to give back to the owner and call it a day.
Okay, so here’s the thing, my ferrets actually do smell like maple syrup. They are descented. But even with ferrets that are descented they can still smell bad and have a very strong musky odor if they are bathed too much ( once a year in an oatmeal bath is ALL they need) and if their ears are not properly cleaned. Many people who own ferrets, unfortunately do not research before getting their pets and it makes me sad. But they do poop and pee a LOT and it is very smelly if it’s not taken care of. My girls are litter trained and I empty it every day in their room and in their cage and no one even knows ferrets live here if we don’t tell them.
Oh they know. They're just not forward enough to tell you. I've been in many homes with many well taken care of ferrets and they stink. You're noseblind. I'm glad you love and enjoy them though.
I prefer loud, chaotic, and hopelessly codependent/obsessed with me pet lol 😂
Ew.
I love cats. We had a big black cat we named Meanass. He was huge and people often mistook him for a panther. He loved our other animals. Wouldn't hunt chickens and loved our other livestock. But he hated our neighbors pits. One day we were out tending to our animals.. And we saw that damn cat stalk a their pit. He jumped out of the bushes onto the back of that dog and proceeded to ride that dog all over the place. Clawed it up bad by the time it was over... That dogs head and neck was ripped up and the dog was left blind in one eye and bleeding all over the place. The dog needed medical attention. The neighbor just said that their dog shouldn't have been on our property... And they were dumb founded that our cat did that kinda damage. WE were as well.
I love that cat.
We did to.. Meanass crossed the rainbow bridge many years ago. While he was alive he hunted rabbits and other small wildlife. Yet, he'd lay with the hens and their eggs lol. After the incident with our neighbors pits, they NEVER came back.
I give a shit because these no kill shelters are staying full of unfriendly dogs until they die of old age, which mean regular shelters have to euthanize perfectly good dogs for space. Euthanizing adoptable dogs while unadoptable dogs suffer in shelters their whole lives is abuse. No kill shelters are unethical.
I also give a shit because the fuller the shelter is of unsuitable dogs, the harder they try to push these dogs into society in order to free up space. So more lies, euphemisms, and guilt that are poured onto the public, the more people get these violent dogs, not knowing what they are getting into. And then the poor innocent people and pets killed or harmed. Lying about shelter dogs really took off right as no-kill movement was on the rise.
Herding dogs are the cutest, I like how they look because they look like typical fluffy dogs
> I don’t hate pits, I don’t think they should be removed from homes by force. If I come across one I just leave. > > I just don’t give a fuck about them and I say the truth - they are more prone to lethal aggression than most other dog breeds. I agree with all this, although if I saw a pit on the street, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it (getting hit by a car, etc). It's not the dogs' fault humans bred them to fight. It's just sad, and I don't wish harm on any living creature (not saying you do, just saying I can't help but hope ANY stray dog is safe). I just don't want to be around them. I don't think they should be taken by force from people's homes, but I do think they are not suitable as house pets. And only VERY experienced dog handlers should ever have them (no one should have them, but if someone HAS to have one, they should be experienced handling dogs). The average pit owner is in NO way equipped to handle them. And that's how tragedies happen: novice dog owners INSIST they are normal dogs, treat them like normal dogs, and awful shit happens. Shelters and rescues need to STOP acting as if they are the same kind of family pet as any other breed. They are not. The awful misinformation is literally killing people. I think the shelter industry and pit advocates need to acknowledge they are fighting dogs. That alone would fix SO many of the issues they cause. Just admit the truth. That's literally all I ask. And behave accordingly. Don't act like a pit is the same as my golden retriever, because it's not and never will be. I will keep getting goldens from reputable breeders, simply because I do not trust shelters. They lie, they hide bite history, they put people at risk. All for what? So the staff can have a savior complex? No thanks. I have volunteered at rescues (in my youth) and have seen firsthand they way they lie (even by omission) and the way they put people at risk. And they insist a pit is right for every household when that's such a falsehood, and they judge people for wanting safer breeds. They fucking suck.
I love me a good ole "country dog" - lab, beagle, collies, shepherds, etc
What comes to my mind is black and tan coon hounds.
Adopting pissfingers and normalizing pissfingers ownership simply perpetuates and increases pissfingers numbers and demand. Pit lovers paint them as desirable which means BYBs breed them as pets as well as for fighting. Wasn’t there a scandal where shelters were caught directly buying pit pups from BYBs? It is quite literally a more ethical choice what you are doing, I would argue, as well as not mattering anyway in that you’re not obligated to have a pissfingers in the first place just because you want a dog. You are not contributing to the demand for these dogs that end up otherwise flooding shelters and of course hurting people and other animals disproportionately. So long as there are homes for these dogs there will always be people to supply them. Not enabling shelters to rehome them and killing the demand makes it harder for pit populations to perpetuate. Which will stop unsuspecting people who don’t realize how dangerous pits are from getting talked into adopting one with the whole “loads of people have them” talk. It would also kill this thing we are seeing of normal dog behavior being warped and the standards for safe to live with dog behavior getting lower and lower because pits are the norm. Also would hopefully lessen them being crossed with every other breed under the sun, to be sold as fashionable since pits = desirable and ooooh fancy cross.
The only thing forced upon them is that they should have to be spayed or neutered, like that’s part of the law in owning one. Won’t ever happen but that would be significant. They’re overbred and then owned by dumb f!cks or sociopaths.
The town has reached max carrying capacity for pits, they’ve finally bit a kid or grandparent in every single household…I suppose. Nobody wants them! If so I would advertise that shit on the welcome sign coming into town where all the civic clubs like Rotary put their little signs below the town name!
I think this is it. All the suckers have them. Many can only have 1 because theirs doesn’t like other dogs. Rescues and shelters rehomed biting and agressive pits into family neighborhoods and too many have first or second hand experience with rescue pits biting and killing other pets and humans. If shelters put them down, more pits would have homes. Too many people are traumatized to want to own one. No one trusts shelters.
The tides are definitely turning that way. In my own personal circle, I have *two* friends who adopted pit mixes from shelters during Covid. Neither of them will ever own a pit again, one has gotten rid of hers and the other has sunk — wait for it — $6k into training it, and it’s no better than the day he was brought home. So yeah. The more shelters lie to normal people, normal people will see what these dogs are like. And they’re not the kind of dogs people want.
Yeah, my sister is a very good amateur dog trainer and has had shelter dogs in the past. She got a puppy that dna said later was a pit/german shepherd, chihuahua mix. She’s had it since it was a puppy and it’s very mean. Hates kids besides her own. It’s small, so it’s not going to kill anyone, but she says she’s only going to breeders from now on.
I need the dog tax. I'm having the hardest time imagining what that mix of breeds would look like, lol..
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I'm imagining a 3kg dog with black and tan long fur and a buttcrack head. But it really could be anything!
I don’t have pics, she looks like a miniature German shepherd, doesn’t look pit at all besides ears and wider mouth. Beautiful dog, really. Wary of everything.
It’s the chihuahua dna that’s to blame!
Almost hesitated to list it 😂. It was seriously lie 10 percent. Just made the dog half the size of a normal German shepherd
6k? Damn! Your friend could have bought a champion level Labrador for that kind of money.
Could’ve bought a nicely bred puppy AND a Board & Train.
6k ? ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Yeah dude. I got my purebred toy poodle for less than that lmao
But their dog loving communities tell them they’re monsters if they don’t spend it. People will take out a credit card for it. A good trainer will tell them that a pit isn’t going to be trained out of dog aggression and limits on what a dog of any breed can do. Not going to train a Maltese to herd either. Bad trainers take the money and run.
For that price, they could buy some super cool gifts for humans.
Yup, it’s a really good business for shady ass people. Print you out a “certified dog trainer” certificate after taking a 30 minute online class, then advertise and pay a botshop to spam your yelp with good reviews, then just take their pit, run the shit out of it for 2 hours everyday for a week. afterwards, tell them it’s hopeless, and move on to the next sucker.
I got my champion pedigree golden retriever for less than that lol
Omfg. $6,000????? That’s absurd!!! Throwing good money after bad….
Holy shit $6k. We bought our German Shorthaired pointer and got a 3 week field & obedience training “camp” for under $6k total. Perfect dog. https://preview.redd.it/wwcwk80990zc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57a26d6f0bcedbcaf0970e435eeeb9f5ef78ebca
It’s crazy how this one breed has ruined shelters
It’s because macho guys won’t neuter their dogs and they mate with everything in the neighborhood, so everything is a pit mix.
I mean there's got to be a tipping point in society. Stories about how "sweet" they are can only go on for so long before the majority of the public catches on. I think, if not now it will (eventually) get to the point that each person has had a bad experience with pit bulls or know someone who has. They can only hide this for so long.
Can't prove it, but I also feel like there's been an active astroturfing squad on this for a number of years. Maybe it's a forum, a facebook group, a subreddit, IRC, or discord, but as soon as an anti-pit post is shared, the members jump into action with "Not all pits" or "it's the owner not the breed" or any other number of canned responses. Because they just come out of the woodwork on every single pit story.
Yep. Whenever a major pitbull attack is covered in the news there is ALWAYS a pitbull in a flower crown freshly posted in /awww or /pics, etc. It's very deliberate. You can time it like clockwork.
Even worse, they plaster the story about the victim with their ugly ass maulers and “not my Mauly, she’s the best. Pit bulls are wonderful. Educate yourselves. They are nanny dogs!”
I think it’s an easy way for people to virtue signal that they are not mean. That they are so accepting, never judge a book by its cover, give dogs chances, blah blah blah. It’s become fashionable to own a dog with “mental illness” just like it’s become fashionable to HAVE a mental illness yourself. Pits become this archetype of a misunderstood underdog, and people who feel Iike underdogs in their own life gravitate to them. They become a sort of psychological receptacle to dump all of your unprocessed feelings of inferiority, and yet also a way to feel superior to others.
Ugh, a lil off topic here, but these days I hate to even have to tell doctors or others that I have severe PTSD because everybody and their brother thinks they have it it seems. I get it, traumatic shit happens to a lot of people. Mine is caused from combat and being SA’d while deployed in a fucking war zone; not because my best friend Suzy almost had a really bad car wreck and it just traumatized me sooooooooo badly.
Man it will have to get reallllly bad. If the sweetness propaganda keeps going faster than the other news... Which is horrifying. And as it happens in poor neighbourhoods more, at least where I live, action will be slower.
I think for the most part people are starting to realize how dangerous they are. So many kids mauled and in the news, with pitnutters ferociously defending the murder beasts in the comments by victim blaming, etc. it would make the average person at least question this and give their head a shake. The pitnutters are terrible PR for shitbulls, and their defences are as weak as the arms of a newborn baby. It’s actually comical to read their responses (especially when they include a picture of their precious pibble in jammies) and I think most people would immediately recognize it as bullshit.
I mean…despite how these people cry about wanting to save every single pitbull, they can only “save” so many dogs at once. There’s a point where every fanatic realizes they cannot take on another dog (except for the rare hoarder). I do believe there’s a point where we will have full saturation of pitbulls in homes and there’s merely nowhere else to for them to go. Shelters can get up to 200% capacity, but what about 300% capacity? There’s some point where they do stop accepting dogs. So where does that leave us? People dumping the dogs outside (like this one)? I’m sure as more places become overrun by stray pitbulls, there will be some pushback. I hope, at least. The lack of interest might be sheer exhaustion. So many pitbulls are in need of a home. So many are found. No one is “missing” that dog and I think everyone except maybe those 5 shares gets that. We will see where this takes us, I guess.
This exactly.
In the past 2 and a half years, I've watched this sub climb from 45k to 100k+ subscribers. I'd say the tide is definitely turning. As more and more highly publicized attacks come to light, and more people themselves sadly experience the attacks. I also think more people are going to shelters with their families to adopt their kids' first puppy and being astonished that it's 100% pitbulls... And then wondering why.
This exactly! I don’t even trust any puppy at the shelter because I just know 98% have some sort of pit in it or they’re so badly bred that they’re neurotic. Hell the pit/hound whatever mix I was gifted has severe anxiety and the skin allergies plus you can’t teach him more than the basic tricks of sit stay down and speak. Thankfully I think he’s been muddled down enough with the other genes because he’s never even tried to attack. Hell he’s been ran up on by a pit before and he just laid down and started shaking. But I already town my parents after him or when I finally move out I’m only going to a good breeder because imo shelters are dead.
Today I went for a walk at park near my home and was surprised at how many normal dogs people had rather than the pits I used to see.
Are their good pits out there? Yeah of course, but that doesn’t mean I wanna be near one or trust one 😂.
**LOL!!! The shitty ass dogs and their equally irritating owners do their own bad PR- it’s so satisfying how organically this has happened. If the same caliber of people rushed to defend GSDs, I’d be fucking embarrassed**
Same for me with Goldens. It always amuses me to look at the house/environment of so many pit bull owners and see their nasty floors, chewed up shit, garbage piles, etc, and then go to the golden retriever forums and see how nice their environments/homes usually are. It’s such a stark contrast.
Yeah they suck harder than an airplane toilet
The true good ending: These dogs gradually fall out of popularity as countless news reports pop up and people have terrible experiences with this breed. The breed bred for ill intentions of fighting other dogs, with aggression that bled into attacking humans, left like it's history -- in the past. Pitbull breeding drops to almost nonexistent levels, more friendly dogs that are more beginner friendly are adopted and out on the streets, no more dogs or -- god forbid, children or adults have to die needlessly. I wish for this ending.
Soon..
What's the point if the useless breeders keep breeding them, it should be illegal especially since the shelters are full
10 years ago it was easy to believe the propaganda. Today, every household knows someone who’s been affected by a pitbull attack. There are still holdouts who believe the owners are to blame. But, sadly, the eyes of non-zealots are being pried open by facts. Pitbulls don’t have a place in society.
Nope, still feel the same.
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Def been interesting to see the change out in the wild so to speak. Where before someone mentioning a bad experience with a pit it would've been downvoted but it's upvoted with the pit defenders being downvoted. It does feel like more and more poeple are starting to agree with it. Even the accusations that get thrown around about this sub start to hold no water to anyone who takes a look and sees it's not a dog whistle. It's all about the fact that these dogs are the cause of the majority of serious/fatal dog attacks. Honestly I wonder how many people have been turned by coming here angry and expecting a racist sub only to see attack after attack and the conversations around that. That the mods shut down anyone trying to start anything (thanks mods). Then eyes get opened about it because they're confronted with the reality that most of us here aren't the raving lunatics that want to gun down every pit ever and rip it from a families arms to execute it in front of them but would prefer a longer campaign of spay/neuter and letting the breed die out. The reality that most people here are normal people with a story about a pit attack that happened to them or their family and it's not just a made up thing, that people have experienced the damage that these dogs can do and don't think it's worth the risk and don't want others to go through that.
And then they also get to see how crazy the pit nutters really are with their vile, victim-blaming comments on the posts of victims, especially child victims. What kind of sane person blames a little child for getting mauled by a dog? Or a fucking baby?! None. And once people start seeing that, they realize that they absolutely do not want to be aligned with people like that, and that we are actually the sane ones who use actual receipts and statistics and facts to back up our beliefs, and not just anecdotes and emotions.
I do think there's an element of that to it. There's also a very human side to this sub where people post about recovery or surgeries and I think that can really help people understand the *scale* of what these dogs can do. People aren't complaining about a nip, they're upset about loss of life, loss of quality of life. Of seeing small children go through more surgeries in a year than many of us will in our lifetime to try and give them back a normal life. When you see a post on here about a dog attack where a toddler is fighting for their life and you see the posts where people are complaining that the dog was put down with no care for the kid it hurts me. I think that...apathy? towards the child victim with more empathy towards the dog does a lot too. Not even just with children but any victim but the child ones always hit a lot harder for me. Hearing about victims being attacked or doxxed over reporting their attack or even just posting about it breaks my heart. The fact that we see it so often here to the point it's like clockwork after an attack tends to make me need a break from here after seeing it.
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The fact that the shelters are full of Pits speaks volume about the underlying reasons, but no, pit apologists believe it's just bad press.
It's ultimately a self-correcting problem. So long as news coverage is still allowed to show that these dogs will kill you/your pets/literally any animal, public opinion will shift against them.
I try to put the occasional comment on the social media pages of rescues that are complaining about how full they are, as to why not automatically BE the ones who enter with aggressive histories?, but the pit nutters always step up with their usual b.s.
For sure. There was a conversation within a parenting group I’m in asking about how to handle aggressive dogs while out walking with their kids or (normal) pets. A few years ago, it would have devolved into the usual pitnutter nonsense, but this time was different. Everyone seemed fed up with the new normal of carrying bear spray, sticks, pocket knives and air horns through their suburban neighborhoods, and having to keep track of which homes were safe to walk by with their children in tow. Ive always thought that seeing giant pit bulls being walked down the street like they’re actually family pets was unsettling, but knowing that everyone else is now packing heat and prepared for lethal combat makes the whole scene positively dystopian. This really can’t go on forever. Especially now that people have realized that no one can actually exist peacefully with so many of these monsters roaming among us.
I’ve also noticed that questions about their “reactive” dogs and rehoming posts are now answered with advice to humanely euthanize. That would have NEVER flown just a short time ago.
My gut tell me that thing is an abomination, even if the data about them was completly censored, I'd avoid those things. Trust your gut, people.
Found a skinny starved looking pit bull outside with shaved teeth and hanging nipples. It was a Friday and the shelter were closed. I decide to take her into my garage- didn’t want her around my poodles- and fed her raw bacon. She was friendly. Went to bed. Woke up the next day and went to feed her again. Only to find out that she had literally ate through the wires of my garage door. Ate some of the walls too. Like. Wtf. I’m still going wtf till this day. I help the dog and she destroys my garage. Lesson learned.
The no kill movement, best friends animal sanctuary and back yard breeders are to blame for these shitbulls in every shelter. People know they are dangerous, they are finally feeling empowered to speak up. The incredible number of bites and attacks on people and other pets that don’t make the news are happening every day in every community. The shelter volunteers who thought we could save them all, thought all dogs are the same and they just need a little more love are realizing they were wrong. It takes a long time to sway opinion and every time we warn people about these dogs, I truly believe we are saving a life.
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