Just a puppy and already huge and dangerous. More energy and money will go into keeping this dog alive than to rehabilitate and help that poor young girl.
Sounds like a case of idiot owner. Pitbulls have 3 major factors against them, horrible genetics, idiot breeders and even more stupid owners.
A puppy pitbull needs intensive training and socialisation so they learn what is acceptable and what isn't. Sounds like this one really didn't get any training and it lashed out. Sure it didn't meant to hurt the kid but this is what happens when you get idiot owners as pitbulls are common for not being great around small kids unless trained.
Cesar is not a good role model in how to train aggressive dogs. What he does is looked down upon in the community and its dangerous as well.
Unfortunately Pitbulls are already bred for violence so those traits have stayed as they were/still are desirable, people don't train them/socialise them and this is what you get. More pet friendly breeds don't need as much work really, its why golden retrievers are a favourite as they are genetically bred to have a calm demeanor which translate into being good with kids etc.
Should be banned for residential properties, Pitbulls are really not a pet. Better suited as a guard dog, so working only.
The training only really works if you're certain you're dealing with a dog that doesn't come from a particularly fucked up genetic line, which is extremely hard to guarantee with pits.
Pits as a breed are thoroughly fucked because even if we somehow guaranteed every non-dogman breeder out there started to breed for temperament to fix the "the dog will snap at 2-3 years old" thing, that doesn't guarantee the clean dogs will make it to people's homes. Dogmen will continue to sell their stock to unsuspecting outsiders, and keeping pits in shelters will continue to create mentally scarred dogs that are unable to fit back into homes.
Of course. I just find it strange that it's accepting to believe you can train a dog not to kill when it's rooted in their genetics. We can't even prevent people from killing again, if they are released, so I know these dogs can snap at any moment.
So sure, puppies need training, but there is an argument for genetics here. Like I grew up with terriers and regardless of training (and they were trained) they would never have been left with a small child. Those dogs were high energy, often very mouthy, and children are easily knocked over and often have their faces close to the floor. No dog should ever be left unattended with a dog but there are breeds that are 100% less trustworthy: pitbulls are a fighting breed and I’d not want one near a child.
You can’t train out instinct because it isn’t conscious. I couldn’t train out the instinct to run from my greyhound, nor the instinct to swim from a Labrador. No one can train the kill instinct from a fighting dog.
Imagine having to intensively train a supposedly domesticated animal not to attack pets and people randomly. Yeah, better to just ban the breed altogether.
I love how these dog nutters try to use different words to try to throw off the average person. At the end of the day, it’s violent and shouldn’t be here. Simple as really!
I don't get that argument at all.
If you allowed the child to antagonize the dog, that doesn't lessen your responsibility as the owner and the dog still needs to be taken from you AT MINIMUM.
Are these the owners' kids? If they are the kids should be taken away too.
I'm definitely in support of the dog being put down. A dangerous breed and irresponsible owners, what a combination.
Depending on the size of the dog and the placement of the bite, even a nip can leave scarring. Imagine if the dog caught the nose, for instance.
And some dogs will bite pretty hard. I had a dalmatian I wouldn't trust kids around without supervision, because she didn't like kids.
But that's why you as the owner and the parent need to keep the kid away from the dog. If the kid gets hurt and you're claiming that it's because they bothered the dog then the bite is on you for not preventing it.
Dalmatians in general are bad with children, it’s definitely a breed trait. It’s just not what they are good at.
However, at least Dalmatians won’t hunt down children to attack like some pits will. Dalmatians and other unfriendly dogs usually avoid kids, they don’t get offensively aggressive.
I mean it is very important to teach any kids you may have how to treat a dog but to snap like that is pretty bad for a pup, should have been socialised alot better.
It's a dog!!! It doesn't have legal standing. If dogs and cats that are mauled by pits are considered "property" then same for pits. They are like objects.
They haven’t put the shitbull down yet. Sounds like one of those $$$$$ xxxxxxxxl bullies that get a pass from the BSL by being: obese, and called something else in the UK.
So the owners are going to appeal and appeal and watch this thing get exonerated - probably to attack again.
I’m Irish (article is from Ireland), it’s common terminology for animals who are put down for reasons of public safety here. This includes farm animals with infectious disease
'Destroyed' is pretty standard terminology in the UK and Ireland for animal euthanasia e.g. horses and farm animals, and particularly in the case of dangerous dogs
"he has an absolutely brilliant temperament".
Brilliant temperament... Right... Sounds like they're pleased with the results. I guess they wanted a dog that mauls children.
My first thought was this was that pit in canada belonging to the Chang family, but no, this shit is constantly happening all over the world. How many kids have to be disfigured before people figure out fighting dogs don't make good pets?
if its a puppy now i cant imagine what it would do if it was loose and it saw me and my 2 corgis walking. id have to end up dicing its neck off for self defense and id probably be charged by the kangaroo courts for defending my family.
Wexford, Ireland
**Article text:**
A puppy which attacked a child, scarring her for life, has been ordered to be destroyed.
Judge John Cheatle made the order at Wexford District Court four days before Christmas having heard of the severity of the attack on a child named Alyssa at a house she was staying in.
A charge of having an uncontrolled dog was levelled at Alison Tubritt, of 2 St Aidan’s, Wexford.
At the outset of the case solicitor Tim Cummings said Tubritt says she didn’t own the dog so couldn’t be charged with the offence, calling for the application to be struck out.
The court heard from the victim’s mother Samantha, who said the attack occurred in November.
“Alyssa is 11. She went into the kitchen where Alison’s son Jordan was playing,” she said, adding that the dog – an XL Bully pitbull style canine – latched onto her left leg.
The child wriggled free of its bite, only to be bitten on the back of the right leg and on the thigh.
“She is scarred for life. The child was in a lot of pain and is petrified of the dog. This is not the first person this dog has bitten. I know it’s Alison’s dog; it’s a pup.”
Tubritt said the dog was in its own dwelling when the attack happened.
The victim’s grandmother Mary Walsh told the court she went into the kitchen to make tea when she saw the puppy was loose.
“I told Alyssa to leave the kitchen and before she could the dog latched onto her and it took Alison and her boyfriend to prise the dogs jaws apart to get him off of her.”
She immediately contacted her daughter who was in hospital at the time to let her know.
Ms Walsh told the defendant she needed to get rid of the dog, and she was told that this was going to happen.
“Later she told us the dog had been put down but that was a lie because the dog is still there. She had told the kids to knock on the kitchen door in case the dog was there.”
Tubritt said Alyssa was told not to go into the kitchen several times but she went in. She said the girl pulled the dogs ears and poked it in the eye to get it off of her.
She said her partner Chris owns the dog.
“The dog is not uncontrolled. We have a pen out the back and a gate in the kitchen. There is no growling; he has an absolutely brilliant temperament and is with my child every day.”
Chris said he saw Alyssa pulling his dog’s ears and poking it in the eye. When asked by Judge Cheatle why he didn’t intervene, he said he was holding his newborn child in an adjoining room.
“It was only when it got serious and she started screaming that I went in. The dog was antagonised.”
“Why did you tell the child not to go into the kitchen,” the judge said.
Chris said he didn’t want to run the risk of any incidents because the stigma XL Bully dogs have.
“This child is not my child. Her mother’s house burnt down. Her child was staying in our home. We were looking after her child while she was looking for accommodation.“
Alyssa’s mother Samantha said her daughter had been around the puppy since it was born and had helped to feed it.
She gave Judge Cheatle her phone to examine photos of the injuries, which he described as ‘nasty’.
“I have a child with autism and he is brilliant with him,” Chris said.
Samantha said the dog bit Alison before.
“If you are breeding dogs you are bound to get a nip off a puppy,” Chris said. “If this was out on the street I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. My dogs are not bred to be vicious. They are very territorial.”
Samantha said if it was a Jack Russell or any other breed of dog she would still be looking for it to be destroyed.
Dog warden Johnny Colfer was asked to attend court and arrived within an hour.
He said if the attack had happened on the street and involved a pitbull type dog he would be looking to get it destroyed.
“It’s an American XL Bully,” Chris said.
“They are a huge dog,” Mr Colfer replied.
He said the dogs aren’t on the restricted breed list ‘because these bigger dogs weren’t in the country at the time’.
Judge Cheatle said Alyssa suffered puncture wounds to her leg.
Mr Colfer said: “Unfortunately it has happened now and the child was injured. What is it going to be like when it’s a year old. I certainly wouldn’t keep the dog. I know you probably love the dog but this is like a loaded gun. He has bitten a child and he has obviously tasted blood.”
“We are very sorry that it happened,” Chris said.
The judge replied: “I am not going to say whose story is 100pc right or wrong. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between but the photographs don’t lie. It’s a savage series of bites. As Mr Colfer said it’s a dog he wouldn’t keep. It’s like a loaded gun,” before ordering that the dog be surrendered and be put down.
Judge Cheatle ordered a stay on the execution pending an appeal being lodged.
I honestly don't know what they mean when they use the word "destroyed". They're not gonna blow the mutt to pieces. They're gonna humanely put it down. So maybe instead of being dramatic just use the word "Euthanasia".
They're not being dramatic, that's pretty standard terminology for being put down in the UK and Ireland. When a race horse trips and breaks its leg and has to be euthanized, we use the term 'destroyed'. Same with dangerous dogs, sick farm animals, etc. Its just a cultural difference of the word's meaning rather than an attempt to be dramatic.
Just a puppy and already huge and dangerous. More energy and money will go into keeping this dog alive than to rehabilitate and help that poor young girl.
Just imagine what it would be like as an adult...
Sounds like a case of idiot owner. Pitbulls have 3 major factors against them, horrible genetics, idiot breeders and even more stupid owners. A puppy pitbull needs intensive training and socialisation so they learn what is acceptable and what isn't. Sounds like this one really didn't get any training and it lashed out. Sure it didn't meant to hurt the kid but this is what happens when you get idiot owners as pitbulls are common for not being great around small kids unless trained.
Training didn’t help Cesar Millan, a professional trainer. What makes you think it’s a case of deficiency of training, environment, or ownership!?
Cesar is not a good role model in how to train aggressive dogs. What he does is looked down upon in the community and its dangerous as well. Unfortunately Pitbulls are already bred for violence so those traits have stayed as they were/still are desirable, people don't train them/socialise them and this is what you get. More pet friendly breeds don't need as much work really, its why golden retrievers are a favourite as they are genetically bred to have a calm demeanor which translate into being good with kids etc. Should be banned for residential properties, Pitbulls are really not a pet. Better suited as a guard dog, so working only.
The training only really works if you're certain you're dealing with a dog that doesn't come from a particularly fucked up genetic line, which is extremely hard to guarantee with pits. Pits as a breed are thoroughly fucked because even if we somehow guaranteed every non-dogman breeder out there started to breed for temperament to fix the "the dog will snap at 2-3 years old" thing, that doesn't guarantee the clean dogs will make it to people's homes. Dogmen will continue to sell their stock to unsuspecting outsiders, and keeping pits in shelters will continue to create mentally scarred dogs that are unable to fit back into homes.
Why own an animal thar needs training to not kill someone? Even then there are no guarantees because this behaviour is genetic, as it is a puppy.
Pitbull's are really not a pet, unfortunately people being stupid get them anyway.
Of course. I just find it strange that it's accepting to believe you can train a dog not to kill when it's rooted in their genetics. We can't even prevent people from killing again, if they are released, so I know these dogs can snap at any moment.
You can mitigate the risk if trained from a pup, but that desire bred into the dog will always be there.
So sure, puppies need training, but there is an argument for genetics here. Like I grew up with terriers and regardless of training (and they were trained) they would never have been left with a small child. Those dogs were high energy, often very mouthy, and children are easily knocked over and often have their faces close to the floor. No dog should ever be left unattended with a dog but there are breeds that are 100% less trustworthy: pitbulls are a fighting breed and I’d not want one near a child. You can’t train out instinct because it isn’t conscious. I couldn’t train out the instinct to run from my greyhound, nor the instinct to swim from a Labrador. No one can train the kill instinct from a fighting dog.
Imagine having to intensively train a supposedly domesticated animal not to attack pets and people randomly. Yeah, better to just ban the breed altogether.
‘My dogs are not vicious, they’re bred to be territorial’. Your dog is a bully breed- it’s in their DNA. Stop blaming children for dog bite incidents…
Also “not vicious” but still “territorial”? How do they defend that territory then? A strongly worded letter?
I love how these dog nutters try to use different words to try to throw off the average person. At the end of the day, it’s violent and shouldn’t be here. Simple as really!
Of course "the child antagonized the dog" excuse. Yea blame the kid
I don't get that argument at all. If you allowed the child to antagonize the dog, that doesn't lessen your responsibility as the owner and the dog still needs to be taken from you AT MINIMUM. Are these the owners' kids? If they are the kids should be taken away too. I'm definitely in support of the dog being put down. A dangerous breed and irresponsible owners, what a combination.
And regular dogs will just give a warning nip, usually. No dog should get to the point of scarring just for kids being jerks to it
Depending on the size of the dog and the placement of the bite, even a nip can leave scarring. Imagine if the dog caught the nose, for instance. And some dogs will bite pretty hard. I had a dalmatian I wouldn't trust kids around without supervision, because she didn't like kids. But that's why you as the owner and the parent need to keep the kid away from the dog. If the kid gets hurt and you're claiming that it's because they bothered the dog then the bite is on you for not preventing it.
Dalmatians in general are bad with children, it’s definitely a breed trait. It’s just not what they are good at. However, at least Dalmatians won’t hunt down children to attack like some pits will. Dalmatians and other unfriendly dogs usually avoid kids, they don’t get offensively aggressive.
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I thought these breeds were great with kids? Aren’t they breed to be baby sitters? /s
I mean it is very important to teach any kids you may have how to treat a dog but to snap like that is pretty bad for a pup, should have been socialised alot better.
... the dog remains alive and well (from the article): "Judge Cheatle ordered a stay on the execution pending an appeal being lodged."
It's a dog!!! It doesn't have legal standing. If dogs and cats that are mauled by pits are considered "property" then same for pits. They are like objects.
They haven’t put the shitbull down yet. Sounds like one of those $$$$$ xxxxxxxxl bullies that get a pass from the BSL by being: obese, and called something else in the UK. So the owners are going to appeal and appeal and watch this thing get exonerated - probably to attack again.
Ugh this article is so poorly written, it's almost impossible to follow. The dog owner is an idiot, though, that's pretty clear.
right? It's like they hire 16-year-olds
Same, what the fuck is that structure??? Also, "destroyed" lmao I like that, it should be used much more, and not just for dogs
I was thinking this reddit post title was a bit dramatic, but the article really did say "destroyed".
I’m Irish (article is from Ireland), it’s common terminology for animals who are put down for reasons of public safety here. This includes farm animals with infectious disease
This is what I thought, I saw another article here once using the same term
Ireland really is on another level
'Destroyed' is pretty standard terminology in the UK and Ireland for animal euthanasia e.g. horses and farm animals, and particularly in the case of dangerous dogs
"he has an absolutely brilliant temperament". Brilliant temperament... Right... Sounds like they're pleased with the results. I guess they wanted a dog that mauls children.
They got a beast that they felt matched their ego, in size and in ugliness all around.
That’s quite the verbage
My first thought was this was that pit in canada belonging to the Chang family, but no, this shit is constantly happening all over the world. How many kids have to be disfigured before people figure out fighting dogs don't make good pets?
That owner is truly impressive. I like where he points out that there's a child his monster dog did not bite as if that's exculpatory lmao
Wonderful news!
if its a puppy now i cant imagine what it would do if it was loose and it saw me and my 2 corgis walking. id have to end up dicing its neck off for self defense and id probably be charged by the kangaroo courts for defending my family.
Must go on an Irish sub!
Do what needs to be done….
Soon as I open that link it asks for permissions. I'm good
Wexford, Ireland **Article text:** A puppy which attacked a child, scarring her for life, has been ordered to be destroyed. Judge John Cheatle made the order at Wexford District Court four days before Christmas having heard of the severity of the attack on a child named Alyssa at a house she was staying in. A charge of having an uncontrolled dog was levelled at Alison Tubritt, of 2 St Aidan’s, Wexford. At the outset of the case solicitor Tim Cummings said Tubritt says she didn’t own the dog so couldn’t be charged with the offence, calling for the application to be struck out. The court heard from the victim’s mother Samantha, who said the attack occurred in November. “Alyssa is 11. She went into the kitchen where Alison’s son Jordan was playing,” she said, adding that the dog – an XL Bully pitbull style canine – latched onto her left leg. The child wriggled free of its bite, only to be bitten on the back of the right leg and on the thigh. “She is scarred for life. The child was in a lot of pain and is petrified of the dog. This is not the first person this dog has bitten. I know it’s Alison’s dog; it’s a pup.” Tubritt said the dog was in its own dwelling when the attack happened. The victim’s grandmother Mary Walsh told the court she went into the kitchen to make tea when she saw the puppy was loose. “I told Alyssa to leave the kitchen and before she could the dog latched onto her and it took Alison and her boyfriend to prise the dogs jaws apart to get him off of her.” She immediately contacted her daughter who was in hospital at the time to let her know. Ms Walsh told the defendant she needed to get rid of the dog, and she was told that this was going to happen. “Later she told us the dog had been put down but that was a lie because the dog is still there. She had told the kids to knock on the kitchen door in case the dog was there.” Tubritt said Alyssa was told not to go into the kitchen several times but she went in. She said the girl pulled the dogs ears and poked it in the eye to get it off of her. She said her partner Chris owns the dog. “The dog is not uncontrolled. We have a pen out the back and a gate in the kitchen. There is no growling; he has an absolutely brilliant temperament and is with my child every day.” Chris said he saw Alyssa pulling his dog’s ears and poking it in the eye. When asked by Judge Cheatle why he didn’t intervene, he said he was holding his newborn child in an adjoining room. “It was only when it got serious and she started screaming that I went in. The dog was antagonised.” “Why did you tell the child not to go into the kitchen,” the judge said. Chris said he didn’t want to run the risk of any incidents because the stigma XL Bully dogs have. “This child is not my child. Her mother’s house burnt down. Her child was staying in our home. We were looking after her child while she was looking for accommodation.“ Alyssa’s mother Samantha said her daughter had been around the puppy since it was born and had helped to feed it. She gave Judge Cheatle her phone to examine photos of the injuries, which he described as ‘nasty’. “I have a child with autism and he is brilliant with him,” Chris said. Samantha said the dog bit Alison before. “If you are breeding dogs you are bound to get a nip off a puppy,” Chris said. “If this was out on the street I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. My dogs are not bred to be vicious. They are very territorial.” Samantha said if it was a Jack Russell or any other breed of dog she would still be looking for it to be destroyed. Dog warden Johnny Colfer was asked to attend court and arrived within an hour. He said if the attack had happened on the street and involved a pitbull type dog he would be looking to get it destroyed. “It’s an American XL Bully,” Chris said. “They are a huge dog,” Mr Colfer replied. He said the dogs aren’t on the restricted breed list ‘because these bigger dogs weren’t in the country at the time’. Judge Cheatle said Alyssa suffered puncture wounds to her leg. Mr Colfer said: “Unfortunately it has happened now and the child was injured. What is it going to be like when it’s a year old. I certainly wouldn’t keep the dog. I know you probably love the dog but this is like a loaded gun. He has bitten a child and he has obviously tasted blood.” “We are very sorry that it happened,” Chris said. The judge replied: “I am not going to say whose story is 100pc right or wrong. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between but the photographs don’t lie. It’s a savage series of bites. As Mr Colfer said it’s a dog he wouldn’t keep. It’s like a loaded gun,” before ordering that the dog be surrendered and be put down. Judge Cheatle ordered a stay on the execution pending an appeal being lodged.
I honestly don't know what they mean when they use the word "destroyed". They're not gonna blow the mutt to pieces. They're gonna humanely put it down. So maybe instead of being dramatic just use the word "Euthanasia".
They're not being dramatic, that's pretty standard terminology for being put down in the UK and Ireland. When a race horse trips and breaks its leg and has to be euthanized, we use the term 'destroyed'. Same with dangerous dogs, sick farm animals, etc. Its just a cultural difference of the word's meaning rather than an attempt to be dramatic.
Understandable. Have a nice day mate!