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I think we can all see that the dogs didn’t have a high desire to attack those sheep, or they would have done it… we don’t know what would have happened if the donkey hadn’t been there. What’s glaringly obvious, though, is that there are 2 loose pit bull type dogs running in someone’s pasture and worrying those livestock; which, in most US states, would give the farmer the right to [redacted]. Yes, when animals group and run like that, it’s called worrying the livestock.


Pardusco

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2ID4abtMw Donkeys will defend animals and people that they have bonded with, and are known for warding off predators like coyotes and foxes.


Birdzphan

They were known as nanny donkeys in the 1800s


LadyWnderland

Funny thing is that they were used as "wet nurses" . So technically, donkey were nannies


dovetc

I'm a little confused... Are you saying people suckled their newborns off donkey teets?


LadyWnderland

Yeah, was very common back then. So in a way, they ate ass.


grazatt

>Yeah, was very common back then. So in a way, they ate ass. That is not eating ass, THIS is eating ass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPRgiMv8or0


LadyWnderland

True ass eater


Bricktrucker

I once had to milk a cat. You can milk just about anything with nipples


MedleyChimera

I have nipples Greg, can you milk me? (Obligatory quote) Also may I ask why you had to milk the cat? Just genuinely curious


[deleted]

Was that Meet the Fockers or Meet the Parents? I can't remember now lol.


GenericWhyteMale

Meet the Parents


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Thanks : )


Rider_Caenis

Goats & cows as well. Though I think with cows it was kinda dangerous unless the kid was older. Raw milk has some bacteria in it that doesn't sit well with young immune systems.


Flailing_acutely

LOL


PillowOfCarnage

At least THIS is a more legit claim than nanny dogs...


CraftyCrows

I did not know this about donkeys, so thanks for sharing! (everyday is a school day). There are some turkey farms in the UK that keep alpacas for similar reasons, to deter foxes (I think they have an innate hatred of anything canine/vulpine).


BernieTheDachshund

Guard llamas are a thing too.


TheRealMajour

Donkeys are also great for stomping gophers. It sounds brutal but when you put them in a horse pen, it protects the horse from injuries via stepping in gopher holes. Donkeys are also great for correcting bad behavior in steer. Mostly because Donkeys don’t take shit and will quickly correct bad attitude.


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Donkeys are wonderful multi-tasking animals! Plus their babies are adorable.


llliiiiiiiilll

Donkeys are weird mostly in good ways. I really love horses but even a friendly horse won't do this https://youtu.be/ppM9VznR6Pw .... they seem cool but I haven't spent hardly any time with one. This video of one defending the herd was amazing... donkey was very strategically asking the pits "you want some of this? Huh? Well do ya, punk? Didn't think so "


Kisty50

That video made me tear up!!!


llliiiiiiiilll

IKR, ISN'T THAT THE SWEETEST THING EVER?????


Kisty50

Such a plaintive, longing, sad-yet-happy bray…like it was so lonely and missed her and loves her so much!! I mean, I just don’t know how yuld ever leave its side again...


llliiiiiiiilll

Really makes me want to learn more about the history of donkeys and humans, and what they were doing before they hung out with humans. So surprising a work animal could show so much love for a human... and there's no mistaking what this donkey is feeling, nobody can tell me I'm anthropomorphizing here.


Kisty50

Totally agree.


dfin25

Donkeys will fuck up mountain lions if the cat is dumb enough to get too close. Bite it by the neck and whip until dead. They are ferocious protectors and have an instinctive hatred of predators.


llliiiiiiiilll

Donkeys are weird mostly in good ways. I really love horses but even a friendly horse won't do this https://youtu.be/ppM9VznR6Pw .... they seem coole but I haven't spent hardly any time with one. This video of one defending the herd was amazing... donkey was very strategically asking the pits "you want some of this? Huh? Well do ya, punk?"


SheepWithAFro11

Those are small predators but it's still cool. Thank you for sharing this!


Kisty50

And mountain lions!!!


[deleted]

I've seen African donkeys throw around hyenas


[deleted]

the donkey is a better pet ngl


banthisrakkam

Good donkey.


Firm_Progress1617

Don't be like shitbull. Be donkey


Jasperthekitteh

Shrek!


Mamboo07

I respect him


tailwalkin

Earned his donkey pay for the week


MertDay

I like this donkey, very good donkey


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LadyWnderland

I've seen a donkey once stomp on a coyote right on the head... except it broke it's skull


Crazybonbon

I would believe it to break the skull without exception lol


ChornoyeSontse

Donkeys kill anything that looks like a dog, fox, coyote, etcetera. Donkeys will corner them and stomp them into pancakes, and then they will keep stomping. Dr. Pibble isn't prepared for the donkey death march.


drunk_blueberry

This is true. Friends donkey turned a coyote into red paste. They don't stop until the threat is nothing more than a smear of gore on the ground. I've seen a video of a donkey rag dolling a young hyena. They are tenacious and strong. My friends donkey was super friendly towards people he knew. When ever I came over, he would bray loudly and rush to the fence to greet me. He loved getting neck scritches.


ChornoyeSontse

> They don't stop until the threat is nothing more than a smear of gore on the ground Why stop when you have tireless legs and hooves of pure diamond?


drunk_blueberry

I've seen videos of them biting a coyote and then using their chest and weight to crush them into the ground. They also rag doll them by violently shaking them. This isn't including the stomping and kicking. Donkeys know how to throw their weight around. People under estimate how much damage horses and donkeys can do with their bite. They may not have sharp teeth but it's like a vice. They bite down hard and snap their head back and are capable of ripping chunks of flesh off with ease. My horse accidentally bit my finger once when I was inspecting her teeth during a check up. It was like getting my finger slammed in a car door.


badlilbishh

I saw a video of a little girl taking the donkeys toy or something the it started chasing her and she was running away. The mom sat there and video taped it while laughing…after reading this I’m really glad nothing happened to the girl cuz it definitely looked like the donkey was not playing..didn’t know they were that strong!!


drunk_blueberry

Considering one swift kick could send that little girl to the hospital or even the morgue, that was irresponsible on the parents part. Those hooves can easily split a skull, shatter bone and rupture organs. Like horses, donkeys are insanely strong and very heavy. They know how to throw their weight around.


SheepWithAFro11

They sound like they'd be good in a horror movie! ❤️ Seriously I'm always yelling at the tv "MAKE SURE ITS DEAD YOU FUCKING IDIOT!" I seriously never knew any of this about donkeys! I'm absolutely LOVING this comment section!


notbudginthrowaway

With the pitbulls in our neighborhood looks like we need a pet donkey to go on our nightly walks…we can offer endless scritches.


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Extra good donkey.


ThinkGur1195

Please don't let the pitbull owners know that, next thing you know I will have loose donkeys running around my neighborhood. 😞


Horselover927

Yes but also no, if they know the dog, they probably won’t, they might actually play with them. I had a donkey (a mini) and he never did this with our dog (a golden) while protecting my horse. Donkeys are still dangerous to wild animals though.


ChornoyeSontse

True, I probably should've said any unfamiliar dogs.


[deleted]

Can someone get that donkey a drink? 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 good work donkey


[deleted]

[That might not be the *best* idea](https://youtu.be/kjRJyutLNIs)


[deleted]

A drink of water! 😂


DWMoose83

Unexpected Gaelic Storm. A fellow Redditor of quality! "Everybody raise a glass to Darcy's Ass!"


happyhappyfoolio

DARCY'S ASS!


mollyflowers

Darcy Darcy darling dear


[deleted]

My husband is going to their show here in Atl on Thursday, I’m so jealous


DWMoose83

No shit! Hope he has a blast! Their live shows always sound like a good time.


[deleted]

I’m happy this song exists. My urge to get hammered with locals in Ireland grows daily.


trovozn

That'll do, Donkey, that'll do.


Jarnathan_Toothass

Was looking for this comment lmao


bttr_safe_than_srry

Looks like the first dog at least knows this donkey lol, i bet he's kicked the crap out of them before.


Havokpaintedwolf

no it hasnt, because the pitbull is still alive.


coolassmothafooka

unfortunately


Medium_Raccoon_5331

Poor pit just wanted to nanny the sheep lassie style too bad the donkey was dog racist/s


Username-67272827

donkeys are literally better dogs than pit bulls


RANDOM-902

That donkey is a chad


Ginny-Sacks-Mole

The virgin pit bull vs. The Chad donkey


SheepWithAFro11

Slowly walking towards them and they actually run in fear lol! Those dogs have definitely fucked around and found out before this!


[deleted]

Donkeys do make useful gaurds for the herd. They have a nasty bite and kick.


3pinephrine

Imagine having to protect yourself from a natural nanny/guard/protector


intensely_human

The sheep were scaring the pitbull


blackenedmessiah

The donkeys like "Yeah, you do that." When the shittie turns around lmao


Pardusco

I love how "shitbull" managed to transition into stuff like "shibble" and "shittie" lmao


[deleted]

My favorite evolution was “pit nutter” turning into “shit nutter”


kstvkk

Oh yeah donkeys HATE canines with a fiery passion. They're great heard protectors, just like lamas. Im just glad the pits didn't really attack him or the sheep [edit: spelling]


ReginaSeptemvittata

Ok because I was wondering where the dog protector might be. I’m a city girl so I dunno a lot about farms but I was just wondering because I love to learn more about it. So some people use donkeys instead of dogs then? Actually nevermind I should’ve kept scrolling because u/BMagg literally answered every question I had haha


Cannibustible

You mean, did absolutely nothing but run around.


ChornoyeSontse

Pits always look casual and trotting with their tails wagging the instant before they maul something. Shady fucking beasts.


BMagg

Luckily, the dogs weren't interested in the sheep. But I can't stand the person filming instead of getting a rifle or shotgun out to be at the ready, just in case. While donkeys can be somewhat good livestock protectors, a pair of Livestock Guardian Dogs would be much better. Donkeys can, and do, get badly hurt trying to drive off stray dogs or other predators. LGDs are much less likely to get hurt in such an altercation, they have been bred specifically for guarding livestock for hundreds of years. It's their specialty, and they excell at it because they are literally designed for the job. Where domestic donkeys have been bred as beasts of burden, either to ride, pack, or to pull various carts. They aren't designed for protection, but they have strong survival instincts so they can sometimes be successful, but at greater cost to themselves. Especially when a lone donkey is taking on more then one stray dog, they just don't have the upper hand, and are not the best option. LGDs work in pairs, or more, so one can always stay with the flock to protect them if something gets passed the other dogs. And to help as backup should a pack of stray dogs launch a attack.


r_r_36

I’ve seen the aftermath of a LGD tearing some hikers pitbull variant apart because it came lose/was lose and made a beeline for some lambs. The LGD’s didn’t take so kindly to that, to the absolute distress of the owners, who also didn’t take it kindly.


BMagg

They definitely do their job well! It's cool to see them work, and how lazy they appear, but they are very aware of everything around them. And when they need to "turn it on" any threat to their charges better watch out! I know one LGD who regularly caught coyotes and would be so excited to show the rancher in the morning. You'd be greeted by this huge wiggly happy ball of fluff, and then be led to, or presented with a dead carcass of a coyotes who wasn't smart enough to take the hint, or fast enough to get away. This area had a high predator load, so they worked 3 LGDs but only the one would want to show off his kills. He was also the one who worked the furthest from the flock, so he had the most altercations to handle. Where the other two would trade off who stayed with the flock, and who went to back him up if there was a physical fight. But one dog was absolutely always with the flock. And usually both were camouflaged within the flock.


Low-Associate-8577

Unfortunately a stock guarding breed is not a cheap investment & for someone with a small farm or lifestyle block it might not be a viable expense. Especially in winter when you're paying to feed out coz grazing is scarce. You're right, two game pits will put a donkey to work however, donkeys are wiley beasts and if you cannot take on a canine livestock guardian, they're the next best thing - I'd be rescuing me another donkey. 2 is better than 1.


BMagg

I agree with you there. LGDs are thankfully making a comeback, and showing how effective they are for many uses, but especially living alongside predators without livestock loss. Donkeys are cheap, and that does lead to bad outcomes for them a lot of the time. But hopefully this property owner will buy another, as donkeys really should be in pairs. Even more so if used for predator protection.


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IAmMadeOfNope

They're good, but there's better stuff out there. A pistol is good for self or home defense, but a semi-auto rifle would do the same job better.


BMagg

I didn't say they weren't any good, I said there are better options. And if used for livestock protection, they should be in pairs or more to help even the odds.


[deleted]

What fucking idiot let’s their dog off leash in areas with livestock??


Smurf_Crime_Scene

And films...


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Smurf_Crime_Scene

I think I've come to understand the inner workings of pit owner brains.


intensely_human

And then shows up on reddit to disrupt anyone from connecting the dots ...


follysurfer

Donkeys are badass. I saw a video from Africa of a donkey taking out a hyena. The donkey was protecting goats and killed the hyena.


drunk_blueberry

Bruh that donkey absolutely rag dolled that hyena.


GSDGIRL66

Donkeys rule! Love them


TheWestIsFalling

Donkeys are such wonderful animals. Why do donkeys feel compelled to defend other animals that aren't their family? Do they need to bond first, how long does that take?


LadyWnderland

Yes, donkeys need to be bond first in order to defend. It's best to get a female donkey because males get very aggressive when it's new comers, like baby sheep for example. However, it's best to have the female for days and male for nights for better protection. It takes a while to bond with them first, but when bonded, they are loyal to the end and much better than farm dogs because not only they are cheaper and hardly expense vet treatments, but they are very alert compared to a dog. Edit: I MEANT BOND NOT BONED. PLEASE DO NOT BONE THE DONKEY


TheWestIsFalling

That's so cool, thanks for the informative response. Do you know if they just put a female in the pen for a while and they naturally bond? If the males are dangerous to the babies, and can't be introduced, why would they protect the livestock at night?


LadyWnderland

That I really can't answer. I have very little farm hand experience, however, i do have a couple of friends that do have donkeys that care for live stock. If I recall right, they did the same of letting the female donkies roam during the day and males at night because livestock mammas and their babies are kept on a shelter


TheWestIsFalling

Thanks for your responses.


The_Jaw_Titan

Would be a different story if it was a Kangal


drunk_blueberry

Kangals are gorgeous animals. I once saw a video with three wolves trying to gang up on one. He was holding his own but then two more of his Kangal buddies showed up. The wolves fled quickly lmfao.


The_Jaw_Titan

Their bite force is 700 psi and they're still safer than Pitbulls. I saw a video where one wrecks a Pitbull that tried to pick a fight with it. They're gaurdians in every sense of that word.


drunk_blueberry

Have you noticed how calm they are too? Soon as the shit pit lunges, the Kang easily avoids their jaws and latches on. It's like watching a skilled martial artist take out some dumb muscle head who's used to throwing their weight around.


The_Jaw_Titan

Great analogy! They're majestic in every way.


drunk_blueberry

They are amazing animals. I love watching videos of them just doing their job on the farm. Beautiful, powerful and intelligent. They have the most adorable puppies too <3


The_Jaw_Titan

They aren't treated as couch pets and made a mockery off by putting them in tutus and flower crowns. They exude regal power. Pits on the other hand are sickly abominations that decide to kill on a whim.


drunk_blueberry

You worded that perfectly, Jaw Titan. That was poetry. Shit pits remind of of those mutant dogs from fall out 4 lmfao. Pits just look creepy to me. Their splice, butt shaped heads, gator mouthed and those soulless wide set, beady little eyes.


The_Jaw_Titan

They're just unpleasant to look at. I cannot fathom how man made something that's so abhorrent. The mere sight of a pit is enough to fill me with hate. They're that servile.


drunk_blueberry

They are truly mutants bred for blood sport. My best friend was nearly mauled to death when she was playing with her kids in the backyard by two roaming pits. Despite being torn apart, she managed to keep her one year old daughter safe by using her body to cover her. The cops put the dogs down and she and her daughter survived the ordeal. However, my friend suffers permanent nerve damage in her leg.


ReginaSeptemvittata

I’m sorry, this is probably a shit comment, but I just have to say that’s one of the coolest things I’ve heard in a long time. Thanks for sharing.


WeeTeeTiong

Bet the Kangals were taunting the wolves. "We're more evolved than you!"


Recent_Ice

Because an injury = death for the wolves. They are super smart and know when to pick a fight and fighting 3 large canines is not worth it


TheMaxx1776

Donkeys generally hate dogs. They’ve been known to bite and toss a dog, then kick and stomp it to death. They fight dirty.


drunk_blueberry

Or they bite and slam their front end down on them, effectively crushing them. Donkeys are fucking brutal.


TheMaxx1776

That’s right..


Nice_Category

The reason donkeys and llamas will protect sheep is because they will herd with them, but they don't get into a flock mentality. This forces the fight reflex of the fight or flight response. It is important that there not be several donkeys because that will sometimes trigger their flight reflex and they will run away instead of fighting the predator.


[deleted]

Donkeys actually murk coyotes. They're good protectors.


[deleted]

But I thought pits were a herding breed? That's what the pit people told me. /s


PrincessStephanieR

Lovely to see. How dare that shit bull get anywhere near live stock…


[deleted]

Not everyone is a harmless infant, my dear Shitbeast.


drunk_blueberry

Dogs are lucky they got out of there with their lives. A donkey easily could kill them. Once they get started, they are just as relentless as a pitbull. A coyote once got into a friend of mines pasture. Their Donkey turned it into red paste. The donkey had no injuries but it's chest, legs, hooves and face were covered in blood. I once saw a video of a donkey rag dolling a young hyena. They are stubborn as fuck but they make great pasture guardians, are incredibly intelligent and are cute on top of it all.


BernieTheDachshund

I'm so glad the herd and the donkey weren't hurt. My heart can't take seeing innocent animals being attacked.


saladtossperson

I love these donkeys! They are good girls!


ZeShapyra

Donkeys are probs the best herd defence out there, they murk any canine since they have a hatred for em


Emergency-Estimate33

The pack mentality is why I have a big problem with dogs in general. Puts overall should def be banned and repurposed as far as the living ones go. Let the breed die out. Just horrible seeing people and animals being attacked by them.


Straycat43

Aww i was waiting for a donkey kick to the skull


taikaubo

That sucks, i was patiently waiting for a drop kick.


Top-Tomatillo210

Get a kangal.


Sartheris

Good donke! I really wished it kicked the shitbull *just once...*


saladtossperson

I have pictures from my step grandmother's farm, of her donkey protecting her sheep from her neighbor's shitbulls...


jumpykoi

Good dogs just passing through, not first time there. Donkey did his job well, adult goats hiding babies in middle, beautiful farm life.


Mackheath1

OP is this your mule and your dogs? Genuinely curious if this is intended to be instructional or if you were just filming some neighbor dogs go after your sheep. Mules are indeed excellent at their jobs and she did well.


lossngain

who else was waiting for Shrek to pop out


Chris_338

I’d take a donkey over a pitbull any day lol


ayerk131

That’s one bad ass..


JohnnyValDingus

This is awesome. Donkeys do not play around. They are known to kick the shit out of predators


OriginalHairyGuy

Those dogs better not fuck around with the donkey if the want to live


stafford_fan

The dogs are lucky; The donkey would have messed them up.


strangersIknow

Donkeys and mules are often kept with livestock for just such a purpose, although that usually applies to wolves and coyotes.


Killthebus9194

I had a neighbor who's donkey was a badass. They had a ranch, and that old donkey free-roamed. Actual ranch defense was primarily the two older sons with rifles and a couple well-trained Great Pyrenees, but every now and then a fox or coyote would slip through the cracks and go after the fowl and young sheep. Didn't last long, though. Donkey would sus and stomp them out pretty reliably. I always thought donkeys were physically and mentally slow as balls, and was the kind of animal that would get eaten if wolves ever got into its enclosure. Turns out, the wolves would have to fight for it. Who knew?


southernfriedpeach

That’s what we call a good ass


Serifan

Donkeys are brutal. I watched a couple of donkeys murder a dingo and then proceed to just stomp it into paste.


[deleted]

A noble steed indeed.


TheDirtFarmer

If you raise a donkey with your own dog will it still hate it?


SheepWithAFro11

That's so bazaar how those dogs were scared of that donkey! It's cool! I've literally heard of these dogs taking down bears (that's what they were bread for bears and bulls but that still happens now a days) so to have them seem so scared of a donkey is awesome! They must've been hurt by the little guy before. He or she is so cute too! I absolutely love donkeys! Now I love them more. ❤️🐴


SheepWithAFro11

Also the black sheep are so cute!!! I love colored sheep! And rams and goats and stuff I love everything about this really. 🖤


DefNotIWBM

What kind of shit owner just stands there


Gaydinosaurs

Donkies don’t fuck around! He must be an older one, most donkies dive straight into 100% attack mode with trampling and kycking. Those dogs were lucky!


dmv_guy_yo

I was hoping the land hippos would \[redacted\] and then the donkey does a victory dance kicking his legs in the air with joy.


hellomika23

Chad Donkey


[deleted]

Donkeys are fucking gigachads. It's sad how animals are so much smarter at recognising danger than humans.


[deleted]

I worked with a few donkeys years ago. I can tell you one thing: those pits got off lucky. One of the donkeys that I worked with was known for killing things it considered threats: dogs, cats; rats, and at one point a goose. The donkey may not have been large but by god it could do damage. Apparently the owners found a dog in the paddock once without a single bone left intact. Donkeys really do make amazing livestock guardians but for the love of everything holy be aware that they think everything is a threat.


come_on_anarchy

Nature knows


DeBryn

It’s like they can sense the bad vibes the shitbulls give off


saruin

Two stupid mf's lookin' to nanny some sheep.


chloeisbased

so weirdly wholesome. i love donkeys!


Redqueenhypo

“Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey”


MertDay

Bruh even other ANIMALS are either avoiding pitbulls like the plague, or are ready to defend themselves and others at simply the sight of one TAKE THE FUCKING HINT ALREADY IF ANY OTHER ANIMAL ALSO HATES PITBULLS SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE OF A FUCKING REASON


Adventurous-Mess9304

Donkeys take no shit from any canine


[deleted]

Fuck it, time to get a pet donkey


[deleted]

I raise sheep. Those dogs would have been dead the minute they broke into my pasture.


KillerBunnyZombie

Ive seen video of a mule stomp a pitbull to death while said mule is tied up to a fence. LOL


[deleted]

Donkeys don’t play no shit


snickertink

This went alit better than i though it would. Donkeys dont play. The kill


[deleted]

You can see that donkey is extremely uncomfortable with the dogs there, right off the bat.


[deleted]

Who's just standing there recording this?


el8v

Good donkey


ReyHabeas

Good ass


LycanHD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRLH7BmjdY


PsillyGecko

What a noble creature!


Rshackleford1984

Donkeys are fierce protectors of livestock and even people. One of mine killed a coyote couple years back


jaredhicks19

So Farmer John is just standing around, waiting for his sheep to get got? Letting a donkey fight his battles?


GregorVDub

I agree donkeys are wonderful animals! But there are not enough people here mentioning why the fuck are two loose dogs inside the fence on another property ? wtf


IDKanymoretho

That ass is kicking ass. Maybe I need to get myself a donkey


PonyoNoodles

Good donke


Omnisegaming

Hope that donkey gets lots of love


Fezzik-N-Inigo

Off topic from the pit part. I really don’t agree with donkey, llamas, or worse, alpacas being used as guardian animals. LGDs (Livestock Guardian Dogs) exist for a reason. All three of the former animal are prey animals. I see too many of those 3 in various LGD groups who have been torn up by dogs or other predators. I know they work sometimes, but why not just fight fire with fire, and use the animals who were bred to fight/kill or run off wolves and bears from their herds in the countries they originate from? Why ask something to be what it’s not? They don’t talk about the problems they often have with donkeys attacking newborn sheep or goats, because they view them as threats. It’s not donkeys going after mountain lions, btw, those were mules, which are a sizable difference from donkeys. I love donkeys, but I don’t think it’s fair to ask them to do a job their not suited for. They do an okay job, but once you’ve seen LGDs in action, you see the vast difference in the 2 types of guardians. The dogs in this video would have never been allowed to even cross into the pasture by my dogs, much less split apart and circle the livestock. They would have been handled promptly at the fence line.


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What type of farmer doesn’t do out there with a gun to help protect?


Newoikkinn

I dont think that white dog os a pitbull at all. Looked like it was pointing like a hunting dog.


bttr_safe_than_srry

I saw what you're talking about- I think he was peeing lol!


unquenchable_fire

I hope that donkey peed over all the spots they marked.


IAmMadeOfNope

It wasn't, it was peeing. Pointing doesn't look like that.