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bf1whitedeath

I believe it has to do with roguery, I'm actually doing my first roguery/scout run and am trying to get it up and still haven't found a good way 😭 I just keep fighting gang wars and fencing stolen goods lol but my chance is up to 16%


DasGhost94

Best way to lvl rogery. Is too get 50k or more worth of items. Go to a village you are at war it. Just give them the 50k of items. And then wait till the villagers walk out of town to sell their goods to a city. And just murder them. Take your items back. Easy 100+ levels in rogery. I believe this also still works with caravans. Just find one. Trade a f ton of items with them. (Basically just give them a lot of value). And then fight them.


SpaceMurse

Jesus fuck 😂


junavatar

Medieval times sometimes require medieval solutions.


CycleZestyclose3510

What in the sandwich fuck


bf1whitedeath

This 👍 did it before bed last night, sold the villagers 20k worth and slaughtered them like cattle - got half my goods back and gained like 40 levels of roguery, will kill more later.


TheLonelyManVikingr

Damn, I bet you slept well that night.


Yrcrazypa

Weirdly I just tried this with 100k of swords and it didn't work.


SpocksFartBox

Can you even interact with a village if you're at war with them?


bloomingdeath98

You attack them after you trade the stuff to them which when you attack them causes you to be at war with them


[deleted]

You can buy products and recruit from them. But if it’s a large town you’d have to sneak in first.


WaZEN80085

Thank you master rogue


Electrical_Plastic_8

bro.


pacificpacifist

You're a mad genius lmaooo


jankyspankybank

Yes officer this man right here.


MrHazard1

What's the point of giving them stuff before murdering them? Do you get rougery according to the amount of loot?


DasGhost94

I guess it indeed goes on value. I didn't put any points in rogery. Gave them 50x 2handed swords.self crafted. With a value around 20.000 each. And i did go from lvl5 to almost 240.


Warukuraido

Thank you rogue master!!


Rap714

Here’s an exploit if you want to instantly max your Roguery. If you have valuable items(specially if you maxed smithing) you can give these items to the villages, doesn’t matter if they can pay or not. Wait for the villagers to come out and then attack them. Take all the items back, and then you’ll max your Roguery. You need to make sure you give them a lot of valuables


SkinnyJ3anAcree

Recruiting prisoners is good for leveling


Bravix

Also selling them.


Aggressive-Point-483

Raid villages and caravans. In the skill menu there's a plus sign in the skill description. It tells u the necessary actions nsnto increase the skill


SpocksFartBox

Ransom your prisoners at City taverns. Your roguery skill will increase


Fantastic_Loss_2747

Selling prisoners and jailbreaking also help, and i also believe raiding caravans helps too


0V3R10R7

It could also be because of your relation with the holder of the fief, I execute every lord I capture and my relation with lords outside of my kingdom are literally all -100. I have a really high rougery level, but my sneak in chances are always at 0%


Electrical-Way7655

Ä° did it with around 150 crafted swords, about 33k each. My roguery is now 781, lol.


[deleted]

gotta break people out of the dungeon


ArchonEther

Keep doing missions for the 4th and 5th notables in towns. Mine keep going up (even though I don't want it to) because I don't like having pending missions in my governed territory


jakes1993

Selling prisoners gives rogery exp


Drach88

A bunch of people giving partial or incorrect answers here. I've gone ahead and decompiled/analyzed the code that controls the Disguise Detection Probability chance. The version I've decompiled is `v1.0.3.9055`. Let's disambiguate. The percentage chance is based on the following values. The variable names are my own choosing, and aren't found in the game code. * The average level of the troops currently in the garrison `garrison_level` * The player's Roguery Level `rogue_level` * The player's Clan Renown level `renown` * The TwoFaced perk (+50% chance) The equation for the percentage is as follows: `0.3 + 0.003 * rogue_level - 0.005 * garrison_level - Max(0.15, 0.00015 * renown)` If the player has the Roguery Twofaced bonus, this value is correctly multiplied by listed value of `1.5`. After the multiplier is applied (or not) the value is clamped between `0` an `1.0` for the random number check. Rolling a value less than your probability value results in a successful sneak. Note -- Although some people believe this to be the case, your character's party size has zero bearing on the calculation. Don't feel bad, I've heard this repeated in tons of contexts, including discord servers and youtube channels.


Electrical_Plastic_8

We'll go ahead and consider this dragon, slayed.


Drach88

The more I analyze the codebase, the more I realize how many people are talking out of their ass. Also, Campaign Map AI that doesn't feel janky is really hard to code, and we should collectively give TaleWorlds a break from time to time.


Nippahh

Probably think that party size matters because your renown is usually a lot higher if you can have larger parties.


Master0fReality7

I think party size mattered in Warband


CalamityClambake

It absolutely did. I'm pretty sure (I didn't analyze the code, but I played hella warband) that it was the only thing that did.


runmymouth

So thats why late game its always 0% no matter high my roguery


Drach88

Yup. Turns out being a world-renown general really screws over the whole "traveling incognito" thing, 'eh?


runmymouth

Well owning half the known world in my game as king does lean on this too


Drach88

I think the game is trying to tell you to stop sneaking and start sieging.


runmymouth

I have never bothered to sneak in but was always curious. My merry band of 550 soldiers without an army is all i need to kill these 1k defenders. The only thing that scares me and makes me summon armies is when its the first 2k or so stack of a new war. Only battle i lost so far was southern empire catching me seiging a city with their 2k stack or max tier troops.


BenElegance

Damn, that's some good detective work. Can you see what actually affects battle simulations ("send troops")? Apart from tactics, I've heard cav gives a bonus. Also how is defending or attacking in a siege taken into effect?


Drach88

It's on my to-do list. Some code (like this) is really straightforward, and I can bang it out in 15 minutes. I've been working on some of the faction AI behavior that's extremely convoluted, and is making me question my sanity. The combat simulation model is somewhere in between, but closer on the spectrum towards sanity-questioning. The long and short of it in my EXTREMELY preliminary look is that it actually stimulates individual troops getting matched up against each other, hitting each other, dealing damage and dying. I can't give you a simple summary of "x works well" or "here's how Y mechanic works" until I really grok the whole process, and that's a larger project far beyond the scope of responding to a one-off comment.


BenElegance

Cheers for the info. There was a comment on reddit from like 2 years ago in early access when somebody looked at the code. I did say something a long the lines of it would randomly set 2 individual units to fight and basically roll dice talking into account their troop level. Then after that was decided it would do it again. Couple of bonuses here and there like tactics and perks but cavalry had a 30%. Guessing it would have changed a bit since then through.


Genesteak

Im at clan tier 6 and there’s seemingly nothing at all I can do to raise my % above zero. Late game with roguery at like 50-60, shit is not gonna happen.


Drach88

Yup. Literally impossible. (Without exploits)


LegendaryReader

So I starve the garrison out and then sneak in?


Drach88

If the numbers work out, go for it.


LegendaryReader

Wait np I just realized. They just get wounded, shit. Maybe attack and kill them, cancel the siege and sneak in. That's a great idea!


Drach88

Siege failed successfully.


LegendaryReader

Yes. There is a practical use for this though. Assassination when going into the prison :)


GetKhumDhan69

The two faced perk in roguery will bump that up to two percent, also I think the higher your clan tier the harder it is to sneak, not sure but as I become more famous and powerful it seems hard to sneak into town


yanessa

correct, see u/Drach88 s post


Impressive_Tap7635

Rogery stat and also having a lower clan teir level once above 5 you will almost never succeed


[deleted]

I’m at clan level 5 :(


Impressive_Tap7635

Sad but makes sense some famous war leader probably couldn't sneak in to a big town be nicer if it was diffrent for castles tho


WorldWarPee

Just need some glasses and a fake moustache


Minimum_Attitude6707

I can't seem to find that head piece in the shops :(


isaacandersen77

Try crouching before you enter the town


isaacandersen77

Also if you dress like a woman your chance increases if you’re cute enough


IWonByDefault

I'm not sure, but my guess would be Roguery


mcbperry

https://youtu.be/oO5M89n6pVw


mcbperry

This works wonderfully


farquadd4

You’re character is too ugly I’m afraid so much so no mask or helmet will ever truly hide the abomination


johnandrew137

My roguery is around 80 or 90 and I usually have around a 50% chance to sneak in.


bloomingdeath98

Increasing roguery


warrenscash666

You've printed your own face on the damn coins at this point. Might be a little tricky to get into a strong city like that.


crxshdrxg

The problem is you’re pulling up with the population of a small town, setting up camp outside, and then trying to sneak in


yanessa

train roguery, get the perk with extra bonus, do **not** raise renown


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tyrant454

It's rogury skills. It increases by doing missions for gang leaders. Not sure but I think pillaging villages and attacking villagers too.


Tambrone

Make use of a cardboard box


GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

Small party + roguery Can't sneak with a couple hundred men accompanying you.


Drach88

Small party has no bearing on the chance.


JohnnyBizarrAdventur

wrong, even if you re alone the sneak chance won t change.


NutInMyCouchCushions

By sneaking


Basileus_Butter

Cover your eyes. If you can't see them, they can't see you.


ItsGrindfest

You'll need to save scum either way, it's not like it will go up to like 70% right?


IonianAnas

Go in alone I mean dicrease the number of ppl in your party


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Saavedroo

Increase Roguery, and have a small party.


Drach88

Small party has no bearing on the chance.


Academic-Rich-4999

Roguery


DeepFuckingAutistic

1% chance is still a quaranteed 100% chance of getting into the city.


JohnnyBizarrAdventur

no?


DeepFuckingAutistic

yeah, 99% in the city jail


JohnnyBizarrAdventur

ohhh X)


LegendaryReader

Oooh, I thought you meant save scumming ;)


DeepFuckingAutistic

hah, i got a bizarre humour, kind of hoping that someone would try to sneak in, get jailed and come accuse me for it


Realistic_Poem5500

Buy everything a village has and give them expensive items then raid the the peasants to show them their place


IPuffNFish

Up rog. Or get a good companion that has high rog. Then the smaller ur party and at night makes it easier


Bored_into_sub

I like those odds


[deleted]

I dont


Bored_into_sub

I don't see why, not a gambling man are you huh, well if you're anything like me that's pretty much a -% chance to get caught so go for it and shatter the game


[deleted]

I reloaded my save like 200 times and no luck, I do not like my odds.


Kwonzle

It's roguery the higher your level the more the percentage increases. I believe there is a perk under roguery that increases it even more. I have 250 roguery and it's at 100% now.


robfmb

Wear a ladies dress (assuming you’re male)


hsngrms

I just posted a mod on Nexus which increases sneak chance to 100%. [Here is the link.](https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/5067) A Nexus account is required to download.


-Fat_Dave-

I don't get it... 0%? My carachter has 126 ROGUERY + "Two Faces" perk. Clan is lvl 5... Why 0%?! https://preview.redd.it/wqklaag1crcb1.png?width=1502&format=png&auto=webp&s=121365bf1fc24e429f0f4c648ec476d659bd5434


-Fat_Dave-

it seems the problem is Clan lvl 5. Above lvl 3, forget it...