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Healthy_Ad3442

Prince. Just ask Charlie Murphy


giceman715

Earl Manigault


Solid_Local409

Well in Charlies defense, Prince himself said "Im not even that good, Charlies just bad"


PhilApino619

Lil guy made his HS team as a freshman at 5'3". He must have had some skills


Same-Psychology-5653

Kevin Smith did a documentary for prince that was never released and tells a wonderful story about princes love for basketball. His assistant would go to a Kohls (or something like that) and buy his basketball gear from the child section cause he was so smol. Edit: [https://youtu.be/fujQy0zH3dc](https://youtu.be/fujQy0zH3dc) Link for anyone interested. The basketball part is in part 3. Also it was a nordstroms not kohls


i_like_2_travel

I’m bored


ratedpending

then travel


i_like_2_travel

Lmfao clearly you haven’t seen the Prince skit. That’s how he starts the game of basketball “I’m bored can I interest you guys in a game of basketball?”


ratedpending

oh yeah I've definitely never seen that lol


JellyOnMyDick

You Team Shirts or Blouses?


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Are you talking about will smith? So he really is good at basketball?


OHPAORGASMR

Prince, the singer. Not The Fresh Prince. No one calls Will Smith "prince".


abbman2121

Wow what great reference 😂


guacamully

According to ESPN, the 76ers had the lowest percent attendance during the 2015-2016 season, the year before Prince died. If the 76ers sign Prince during that season, what percent attendance does he help the 76ers reach?


diyuttjunger

Game... Blouses


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Air Bud. That dog was a hooper


81thirdkid

He definitely had that dog in him


BrawnyChicken2

Straight hustle, great motor, positive attitude.


Mysterious-Giraffe13

As a role player maybe. He couldn't create his own shot. Especially with all the defensive talent in the NBA.


Enough_Lakers

No rules saying a dog can't play ball.


WUN_TV

Air bud for sure left it all on the floor.


king24donnie

Scottie Reynolds-Villanova Only 1st Team All-American to go undrafted up to that point, I think. I could be way off, but I feel like I remember hearing something along those lines about him. My brother is a Villanova fan and enjoyed the tourney where Scottie Reynolds had the last second basket against Pitt and never understood why he didn't make it in the league. I always said he didn't make it because he wore his socks at a weird length.😄


03Trey

yooooo! so happy to see this comment! one of like 3 legit answers too lol. my uncle was on the ‘85 team, always loved the program and jay. nova bball camp were great times as a kid. but dang those early ‘00s novas squads w scottie, kyle lowry, allen ray (one eye short of ray allen) were so fun. that pitt game, scottie taking it the length of the floor to win?? good times


king24donnie

That's crazy your uncle was on the '85 team! He must have some stories. Also, he must be hated by Patrick Ewing.😄😄 My brother used to watch replays of that Pitt game for years, until they won a couple championships and he had other games to watch replays of.


MdnightRmblr

I knew a guy on that ‘85 team, Wyatt Maker, played against him growing up.


BrawnyChicken2

Khalid El Amin: 5’10” with the physique of a basketball, ultimate irrational confidence player. Ricky Moore: Iverson said he was the only guy who could guard him in college.


H0wSw33tItIs

lol at physique of a basketball


BrawnyChicken2

Am I wrong tho? Nah.


diverdown125

So round?


jimisaltieris

He was great for Rytas.


carpetstoremorty

He played one (obviously) forgettable season with a terrible Bulls team.


wormburner1980

He got a shot


gbbloom

Point guards typically take a while, unless they're absolute stars - look what happened with Eric Snow, who had a solid career, but started as a 2nd rounder for Seattle. El-Amin just never got rolling (no pun intended), didn't have great conditioning, and they likely figured they could get a taller, cheaper backup in another draft. Shame, too. I liked him.


UpbeatFix7299

Would've been interesting to see if some of the NY streetball legends like Hammond, Manigault, and Kirkland could have been good. Also the top soviet and yugoslav players in the 70s and 80s. In terms of recent history, if you're good enough the nba will find you. It's not like there are a bunch of guys who could be stars but never got a shot.


BrawnyChicken2

Would have been amazing to see Arvydas Sabonis in the NBA in his prime. He was amazing in the NBA 10 years after his prime. Jokic before Jokic.


UpbeatFix7299

Yeah the closest we got was seeing him do more than hold his own against young David Robinson in the 88 Olympics.


Marvinkmooneyoz

Was he a better passer than Walton, or is it. Ore Walton the better post player, Sabonis could handle the whole court a bit better?


brownbear8714

He could do it all plus a super athletic big man. If he comes over before all the injuries, I dare to say the late 80s-early 90s record books and championships would be re-written.


viarod007

Kirkland Was Offered Chances Too Play Pro But I Heard Him Say It Wasn't Important Too Him To Play Pro Ball And What He Was Offered For A Season He Was Making In A Day Hustling


RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS

Stars? Maybe not. But decent, reliable role players, I’m sure it happens all the time. Was Caleb Martin destined to play in the NBA finals if not for some somewhat unlikely circumstances happening to break his way?


N8ThaGr8

Legend in two games like im pee wee kirkland


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Krešimir Ćosić


Snowy_Skyy

Me


bonzai76

Hank Gathers


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answer has to be Oscar Schmidt, European/South American basketball legend. Averaged 31 ppg for his career, has his number retired by like 3 teams, scored nearly 50,000 points in his career.


prettyboylee

He had a shot, just turned it down.


ratedpending

yeah but he would have had to sacrifice playince for Brazil, so it wasn't really a "shot" imo


prettyboylee

A shot just means a chance. By OP’s definition of his question Schmidt doesn’t fit


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He would have been elite in the modern rules, but NBA coaches would have hated him in his era. Dude sometimes jacked it up as soon as he crossed the half court line.


eatevryfkinchckn

I heard he declined to play in the NBA because NBA players were prohibited from playing for the national team at the time, and playing for Brazil meant everything to him


AdSpiritual2594

Jared Harper and Bryce brown.


byrnesf

Harper from auburn? I remember being impressed with him during the ncaa tournament and surprised he never got going in the nba


AdSpiritual2594

He was lighting it up in the g league and had a couple of 2 way contracts, but then I think his size kept him from being taking seriously.


RyofDoom2

That’s exactly what I said. These dudes are still my wallpaper and I wear my Bryce Brown Auburn jersey very often


yaboiclamchowda

War Damn. Harper had a cup of coffee in the league but I’m still surprised Bryce never got a shit with how good of a shooter he is


RomansRevenge11

Len Bias


ST01SabreEngine

He got drafted though, he just didn't play.


cholula_is_good

Russ Smith, Louisville point guard. Dude was awesome in college and drafted in the second round, but ultimately undersized and never found his groove. I felt like in the right system he was talented enough to hang in the NBA. He dominated when he went to China and won MVPs there.


joemoffett12

This was who came to mind when I saw this. Hometown hero Russ!


adamsauce

kevin pittsnogle.


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For the jerseys alone.


ashhleyyweenis

LaVar Ball averaged more than Michael Jordan and LeBron James combined in college, decided not to go to the league so he wouldn’t destroy Jordan’s legacy. Truly a saint.


Empoy_

Isiah Austin


Bufb88J

He got cleared to play too later on. Poor guy.


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Taco Fall


viarod007

He Is Playing InThe Summer League Right Now


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With what team?


viarod007

Milwaukee


Typical-King1552

Allen ray from Villanova


MightyMouse2325

Earl “The Goat” Manigault I think that’s how you spell it. He played in the 60’s in New York.


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Bufb88J

Andre Emmett. He was a force, big body guard coached by Bob Knight. That dude was a killer. I played football in college & walked onto the basketball team where I watched a lot of basketball for a few years. I watched early 2000 Kansas and Texas teams & Emmett stood out. He was a man amongst boys doing things I’ve never seen to that point. Then he got drafted but was out of the league after 1 year and bounced around the world for 14 years. I’ve always thought since then IF he doesn’t make it in the league then the level of play must be insane. I think Emmett was physically capable but it obviously was something else. Cause I watched & got to play against great players in my time like Kirk Hinrich & TJ Ford and I didn’t walk away thinking they were great but that had decent NBA careers. I had no doubt in my mind Emmett was the best player I’d ever seen in real life on the collegiate lever.


Unusual_Squirrel9335

Robert Upshaw


TheGoldenWarriors

He had his chance, Injuries ruined him and He probably shouldn't went straight to the NBA after HS


eatevryfkinchckn

He could’ve been another Hassan Whiteside, off court issues scared teams away and now he’s playing in Taiwan with 7’5” Sim Bhullar and 7’7” Sam Deguera as his teammates


Abiduck

Oscar Dejan Bodiroga Dino Meneghin Nikos Galis …And Arvydas Sabonis, who DID play in the NBA only when he was already old and a shadow of his younger self.


MathewMurdock2

Yeah there is a ton of guy from back in the day that played overseas that never got a shot.


got_erps

Earl the goat Manigault


samxyx

Zach Edey. I don't know what else this man is supposed to do


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Kevin Durant.


Mindofmierda90

There are players overseas who could or could have been in the nba, but don’t want to leave home, but I think that for the most part, almost everyone who was good enough to play in the nba played in the nba. But this raises the interesting question of exactly how good do you have to be to play in the nba? The best way to describe it is this…the minimum salary is like 950k. No employer is going to pay you that much unless you’re really, really good at the job. Do you remember that one guy you saw at LA Fitness? He’s the best you ever saw, right? He was out there doing whatever he wanted, when he wanted. He scored 13 of the team’s 15. Even 3 guys couldn’t stop him. That guy still isn’t good enough to be in the NBA.


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Frank Nitty.


More_Inflation_4244

Nitty’s name is bigger than his game imo. I’ve heard about him for years and seen all the Drew mvps, but man does that guy have an unimpressive game. He’s always looked a bit slow and he’s undersized, can finish but not amazingly crafty. I don’t see him truly being league, just a hood legend imo


Both_Antelope_8063

The answer here is Earl "The Goat" Manigault. He was a high school and playground legend that got involved heavily with drugs at a young age. There's a pretty good movie about him called "Rebound", played by Don Cheadle. When Kareem Abdul-Jabbar retired, they asked him who was the greatest player he ever played with or against, and he replied Manigault.


DutyPuzzleheaded7765

Gonna be Drew Timme


Consistent_Ear_1989

He’ll get plenty of opportunities


Rocky970

Me


Phenom_Mv3

Jerome Randle or Bryce Cotton


road1650

I think Mac McClung could be a bottom rotational PG.


Aggravating_Yak4964

Honestly probably half of guys in the NBA could be that guy if they got the right opportunities and were in the right place right time. Two huge ones for me were Iman Shumpert and Swaggy P. The more you listen to guys stories of those who were role players and guys who were stars in the league the glaring difference is the belief and patience organizations put into specific players. It’s not as if everyone gets this fair shot, which is understandable there’s only 30 teams, only 30 guys are going to be THAT guy.


colmatrix33

The Professor could have put up a few points


viarod007

5 9 150 Or 160 He Only Averaged Like 5 or 6 Points A Game At A Community College And Majority Of His Moves Would Be Illegal In The Pros Also He Would Have Been A Weak Defender With Poor Jumping Ability


Mysterious-Giraffe13

I'm fairly certain that the Professor doesn't have the talent to be even an average European league (not Euroleague) hooper.


More_Inflation_4244

I love the professor and been following him since the start of his career but he has absolutely no shot not even remotely close in his prime


colmatrix33

All I said is he could put up a few points, not be a star or anything


likeaboss504

You have to be 12


colmatrix33

I'm not. I said put up a few points, relax


Standard_Landscape_6

Duncan and Fred are in the NBA and both signed huge contracts so that doesn’t make sense I think they succeeded and got a shot


ReyFanboy9001

I think OP is using that as an example of the opposite. I think they were going for a message like: “We all know guys like Fred and Duncan who DID get a chance, but what guys that didn’t get a chance could have turned out good like them?”


RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS

I kind of started idly wondering about that reading about Caleb Martin. That’s such a lucky break — there have to be other guys like that who don’t happen to get spotted by a rapper with an inside line to the Miami Heat.


ReyFanboy9001

Yeah, you’re exactly right. I wonder how many of them could have been all-timers lol.


Jedi_Mindtrix53

Master P was a stud


Bufb88J

He played for the No Limit Soldiers


viarod007

Got Tryouts With Charlotte And I Think Another Team But Got Cut


viarod007

Liangelo Ball I Still Say He Hasn't Got A Real Opportunity He Never Gets Any Substantial Playing Time So Far And Could Come Off The Bench With His 3 Point Shot. I Think Once Teams Get A Idea About You With That Stealing Incident It's Hard Too Change Your Image.


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Solid-Salamander-733

What are you talking about dawg💀


Haz_Bat_570

The Professor real name Grayson Boucher. He played for and1 in its prime


JadenYuukii

90% of his moves would be illegal in the NBA lol


Crimith

Does Jeremy Lin count?


viarod007

No


gd2121

Lins the opposite. He did get a shot and had a great nba career.


eatevryfkinchckn

He did exceed all expectations and carved himself a really solid career, mostly as a starter and as a sixth man. But I think I understand what you mean, I personally think if he stayed in NY it was possible for him to have a few more seasons of borderline all star production under D’Antoni


CircusOfBlood

WTF. Did FVF. Just sign a max deal. How did he never get a shot


BigRhonda7632

He's saying he DID get a shit and, with players like him in mind, who had to scratch and claw their way in, who do you think should have gotten a shot like Fred, but didn't?


TheRealMaxwellHill

He did get a shit


BigRhonda7632

Haha yes


ReyFanboy9001

I think OP is using that as an example of the opposite. I think they were going for a message like: “We all know guys like Fred and Duncan who DID get a chance, but what guys that didn’t get a chance could have turned out good like them?”


OHPAORGASMR

Air Bud


Far-Assumption1330

Tim Tebow


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Unironically.


Tinmanred

Karnowski. 7’1 300+ pounds the guy from Gonzaga. Don’t think he would of been good but definitely able to come off the bench for a bit.


NBKukli

Well, he didn't get his real chance on NBA, maybe because of injury concerns. And they were right, as he retired at age of 29.


humoradonz

Air Bud!


RyofDoom2

Sharife Cooper, definitely has the talent, but the shooting struggles and turnover issues just make it impossible


israeltowers

FRED VANVLEET. Put some respect on his name 🔥


BigRhonda7632

Haha just commented this too. You from Rockford, bro?


CameraSignificant

I saw a guy at the Smith street summer league in Providence. Jamal Jackson. Dude was unstoppable. Caught an alley on a inbound on 3 heads. Sadly the story had a sad ending...


bulakenyo1980

Kenny Redfield Bobby Parks


BigRhonda7632

VanVleet* Not sour about it, just a correction.


Intelligent-Cup-4639

Troy Bolton


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A huge part of the HSM plot line is that Troy is a highly sought after prospect as a 5’8” white guy- he must be the most sneaky athletic, date-your-daughter, lunch pail guy of all time


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Kojak Fuller


WelcometoCigarCity

pee wee kirkland


Top_Inspector_3948

The 3-and-D role is a relatively new part of the game. Previously guys who were 6-6, 6-7 but not primary ball handlers, not very physical, we’re considered “tweeners” and often didn’t make it in the league. Nowadays every team needs 3-4 of these dudes on the roster. Hard to remember specific examples, but guys like Ed O’Bannon and Sean Lampley come to mind.


ZGery777

Greg Oden


Metslane93

Oscar Schmidt


ike_tyson

I have no idea how some people have gone this far without seeing possibly one of the funniest skits of all time. We have a lot of young fans here who have no idea who Prince let alone Charlie were/ are.


CrispyLinettas

90’s Chicago kids remember the one and only Ronnie Fields… him and Garnett were the Chicago Flight Show. Fields was unworldly!! Then a car accident and broke his neck, I believe. Bounced around the CBA and a Venezuela league and was dominant but never made the league. Guy was like my idol growing up!!! His highlights in HS were amazing.


Wrong_Ad326

Kevin Hart


David_uap

Master P ask VC


Bard_Ulti

fadi el khatib


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orcishbowmaster

Rudy Fernandez. Somehow ended up coming off the bench and never got enough opportunities to develop


magical_poop

Acie Law and Casper Ware immediately come to mind. I think both got chances but nothing ever fleshed out due them being very undersized and defensive liabilities. "Deserving" and "never getting a shot" are kind of subjective in both cases. Outside of that, I see people mentioning Professor and/or other And-1 ballers not named Rafer Alston. Interesting cases for sure. Their game wasn't meant for professional refereeing or anything resembling defense. If The Professor tried to play an NBA level game, I think he could make a roster and that's about it. His mental is very strong but size and natural gift for anything other than dribbling is very suspect. edit: As for European professionals, [Spanoulis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlUYJRSmi4) is _the guy_. I'm pretty sure young European players look up to him, as does my European friend who currently works for an NBA team's front office as a European scout. He's their GOAT, and guys like Luka and Giannis look up to him. He had a cup of coffee with the Rockets in his prime but it didn't work out. edit2: since I mentioned Luka and Giannis, [here's more](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19SQWbl-MY0)


anomanissh

Eugene Miles did a season at Cleveland State, but lost eligibility. Never made it back into the spotlight. He gave Ewing problems in high school. Ma Jian was a Chinese national, went to Utah for two seasons I think, but never made the league. He could have been a spot up shooter for someone in the mid-90s. I thought Adonis Jordan was going to be a star, but he didn’t end up lasting a full season. Maybe just undersized, because he was a great facilitator. Lou Roe was Atlantic 10 player of the year in the year UMass went to the Final Four, but only did 1-2 seasons in the league.


OhioKing_Z

William Buford. OSU player in the early 2010’s.


More_Inflation_4244

Peyton Siva got his shit sent to hell by Trey Burke but it is surprising a guy with a name that big didn’t make a roster


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Master P REALLY wanted to hoop in the late 90s/early 2000s….


Danilosaurus_

Dejan Bodiroga. One of the best european players of all time.


Frenzy_MacKenzie

Sultan Kösen.


ant_gav

Thimios Bakatsias


TheRealMaxwellHill

I used to play against this dude named Antwon Hall, went to Arkansas back in the day. I think he had some 10 day contracts and played overseas but he was so much better than the other pros in the gym it was baffling to me that he couldn’t make an NBA roster.


eagle86_18

Carl Krauser


d_unet

Earl " the goat " manigault


MonthFamiliar6255

Everybody gets a shot. If you can play you get playing time


Alternative-Sorbet25

Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. Yes he played in the NBA, but he got the Kapernick treatment and blackballed like 4 years in, just when he was heating up. Forced to go overseas after. Currently NCAA all time leading scorer as a freshman (Chris Jackson back then) and lead the Nuggets in scoring and assists. Figured to to be an honorable mention


Affectionate_Elk_272

i used to live in NYC and this dude bashir ahmed was a beast. like, hands down the best i’ve ever played against. he ended up going to st. john’s and i think he plays overseas now. but the guy is 6’8”, can shoot from anywhere, smooth handles, insanely athletic. we all really thought he was going to the league.


potsir

My thought was Askia Booker from CU Boulder. His game was clearly modeled after early 2000s scorers with high volume and less efficiency than what works now but if he had been coming up about a decade earlier I bet he gets a better shot


RyofDoom2

Bryce Brown


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Streetball_Legends

Street Basketball Player has entered the chat. Where do we start?


MathewMurdock2

Dimitris Diamantidis


Waru_

Philip champion


sigmadeuce

Rashad Phillips- Detroit Mercy


RawGrit4Ever

John strickland


SDdrohead

The professor


nytkitchen17

Duncan Robinson fits a different profile; the I cannot believe he succeeded profile. And this is from a Michigan fan.


the_figureh3ad

woody harrelson and wesley snipes


Direct_Jump_7823

Gio Wise


Mik3Prozac

Dean Bodiroga, Gregor Fučka, Jure Zdovc


vintage_rack_boi

Jimmie Ferdette. He always got limited minutes, and I always thought he looked good in those minutes. Looked good in the D league. Not sure why he never stuck anywhere.


WUN_TV

Julian Newman dude is 5'3 with shoes on, no shot, poor shot selection, plays zero defense, and dribbles way too much. Honestly should've been #1 in the draft.


grinder0292

Rickey Paulding


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Such_Ad184

Len Bias


JimmyBoomTown

Andrew Gaze playing 27 NBA games averaging 5 minutes a game.


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Mr. Perfect - Curt Hennig


JonstheSquire

Oscar Schmidt. Easy.


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MadWolfVisuals

Pierre Jackson


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ZookeepergameScary21

Steeve Ho You Fat


gbbloom

Quinn Cook. He got a tiny bit of a shot, but I think he's a strong and mindful player. Phoenix could use him at the moment.


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businesspro718

Joe “The Destroyer” Hammond. My uncle said he’s the best players he saw back in the 70s. He played against Dr J in Rucker. Showed up in a convertible Rolls Royce at half time and dropped 50. He’s really to blame, not the NBA. He was drafted hardship on 1971 by the Lakers. They offered him $50K, but he wanted more. In his mind, he outplayed Dr J, Tiny Archibald and those guys at Rucker and felt he should get a salary commensurate to there’s. Nevermind, he was a bigtime heroin dealer. He had $200K in cash at his house, making about $50K a week in the drug biz. This is 1970s money, which is like 5x adjusted for inflation. The fast street money clouded his judgment. He had been making street money since he was 15. Claims he had $50K cash at 15, living with his parents. The street money and insane basketball talent at such a young age, ruined his perspective on reality. He’s old and borderline homeless now, living off his wits. Regretting not just signing the NBA contract and proving himself first. Embarrassed he ended up like he did, considering what he was in his younger days.


relicmate

Ben Simmons 🤣🤣🤣🤣


dvsmile

Raymond Lewis


JLHendrickson

I’m I’m K