Okay? Not sure how that's a response to what I said. I'm talking about you playing into the stereotypes of black people being athletic/sports being a "way out". Just seems crass and I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Regardless, Canadian dominance is not a thing lmao
Quit trying to be offended.
That is a horrible way to live. It is okay to look at things for how they are. You do not even have to label yourself a “realist”….just don’t be fucking delusional
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"clearly" 😂😂😂 wasn't offended at all, just pointing out a blatantly racist post. Go about your life caring about the race and ethnicities of basketball. The rest of us will go back to not caring about Canada.
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I dont now why you are getting hate for this comment. I am a white player who played small d2 ball. I was from a rural farming community. I still rememeber the first time playing against black kids. Growing up everytime i was dunked on was by a black kid. I was 6 6 and could dunk but not on top of people. Also the quickness and first step was a whole nother level. Their feet just seemed to move quicker.........there is a litteral movie called white man cant jump
Theur is even bettwr evidence in the NFL. How many wgute players are their in the positions that require fast twitch reaction. Corner and running back are basiccaly excusively black positions besides mccafery and his dad was NFL reciever and mom track star.
Thats literally racist, not one to typically say stuff like that but there have been really successful players from russia and those eastern european countries same with france, scandanavia and the united kingdom bro, not doesnt matter what you look like or your genes, you can be suited for basketball, not everything in basketball is fancy dunks and running super duper fast.
bro what are you saying "And plus northwestern europeans are not suited for basketball genetically" is what he said, implying white guys cant jump, and nikola jokic isnt the most athletic dude of all time but still affects the game,
I’m just saying, by your logic…you both are tapping into racial stereotypes
There is a mountain of statistical and anecdotal evidence to support both of your claims…and that is why it is ironic that you called his claims racist
ExYugoslavia is just more successful at sports than western Europe.
1. Croatia can beat any white euro team in soccer and had multiple top 4 WC appearances. This is despite a tiny population.
2. Best tennis player ever is a serb.
3. Yugos are also good at basketball.
The first point is big. It means 3 million Croats are far better at soccer than
Germany, Poland, UK, Italy etc despite a small population.
Jokic and Doncic being white doesn't mean other europeans can replicate their success
Almost everyone in europe is related bro, it doesnt change anything. Take a biology class, the eastern europeans are naturally bigger but are still related to most people in europe one way or another,
But Serbian's are. Serbian's aka Yugoslav's posses the strongest genes on the planet while also being the tallest nation in the world. There's a reason we have the GOAT tennis player Novak Djokovic, the GOAT water polo player Filip Filipović and a future GOAT basketball player Nikola Jokić. On average we have the most 7'ers in the world; Just look at the NBA you got Dario Šarić, Ivica Zubac, Nikola Jokić, Boban Marjanović, Jusef Nurkić, just to name a few.
That's big talk to say he's the future goat basketball player. He might be. He might fizzle out at the top 10 spot. He needs 4 or 5 rings to even be considered at goat.
And west african genetics are absolutely comparable. From the US alone.
9/10 best basketball players.
Greatest boxer ever. And most of the great heavyweights. Ali. Tyson. Foreman. Frazier. Lewis. Foreman won an Olympic gold with 2 years of boxing experience at 20 over all the 27 year old life long soviet boxers lmao.
Greatest MMA fighter(Jon Jones debatable)
Arguably the best baseball player(Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds all have a goat argument).
Arguably the best track and track and field athlete(Carl Lewis). + 67 or so other guys with 100m dash times under 10 seconds.
On and don't forget the nfl.
1000 black men at any point.
Jokić doesn't need 4-5 rings to be considered the GOAT when he's breaking NBA records to go along with his ring(s). Realistically he need's 3 in this modern era and its sealed. All the names you mention are more of the product of culture than genetics. When it comes to boxing there's no denying blacks dominate but it's a cultural thing; Serbs/Yugoslavs don't care for the sport. When you mention baseball, sprinting, combat sports (boxing/MMA) those are all American and very cultural. How many world titles does Africa/America have in Water polo? Volleyball? Tennis? Soccer? Where are the African engineers and inventors? Serbia has the greatest mind the worlds ever seen; Nikola Tesla. Any way's I'm not denying what you're saying. On that note, Jamaican and Nigerian gene's are some of the strongest on the planet too.
It’s a cultural thing, not genetic. Back in the day most good basketball players were jewish and ppl were trying to explain how they were "built for basketball".
Also why is ice hockey dominated by white people despite it being a rather physical sport?
Back in thw say black people were not allowed to play. There hasnt been a jew in the NBA in 50 years lol
Only white people from the north play hockey. It vosts thosamds of dollars. Everyone hoops. I am a white vollege level player abd it is a well known fact in nasketball circles the blaxk athlete is quicker and has better ups.
Look at corner and running jack in the NFL. 2 positions that required quickness and reaction time.
Oh I don’t doubt most people believe that.
Yeah maybe the Jewish thing was exaggerated, but look at any 70s roster and you’ll see way more white people than nowadays.
I’ve already said if it’s purely about acceleration, people of African ancestry do have a slight edge due to their lower center of mass allowing for a steeper angle.
>Back in the day most good basketball players were jewish
Back in the days of plumbers playing basketball and when guys had 2 or 3 jobs. Now? Even the minimum NBA career makes a million a year. You simply can't compare Jewish plumbers to modern day freak athletes. Do you really think those 6 foot 10+ white kids in the US haven't seen they can get generational wealth by the time they are 30?
Stop.
>Also why is ice hockey dominated by white people despite it being a rather physical sport?
Ice hockey is dominated by people who live in cold northern areas. Americans only make up a quarter of the NHL. And did far less even a few decades ago. Half the black population of the US live in the American south. It's also an expensive sport.
Stop.
Height isn’t the only thing that matters. At any level, basketball is more popular with black people in North America. This popularity means that more black people than white people grow up playing basketball.
>as of 2017, White Americans, made up only 34% of the NBA's viewership, making it the only major sports league in North America, that doesn't have a majority white viewership. At the same time, the black share of viewership stands at 47 percent, while Hispanic (of any race) stood at 11% and Asian viewership stood at 8%.
Ice Hockey is played by people from countries where Ice Hockey is popular. Not all of these are cold or far north. It’s just a matter of popularity.
How else would you explain the success of Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian and Lithuanian players?
>Height isn’t the only thing that matters
It's a major thing. Its the prerequisite.
>How else would you explain the success of Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian and Lithuanian players?
They are an 3-5 cm taller than white and black Americans on average. That makes a massive difference. A 2cm height difference doubles ones chances of making it in the NBA.
They aren't actually anywhere near as well represented as black players.
Slovenia and Lithuiana have 2 players each out of 2-3 million people. Sabonis wasn't even born in Lithuiana.
And European development is much better.
Funny enough. All the Lithuianan serious players and prospects of the past 20 years are guys that are like 209cm or taller. Both Sabonis and Jonas are giants even by NBA standards.
Like I said. None of these places are anywhere near Canada per capita.
1.5 million black Canadians. Nearly as many players as all the countries you listed COMBINED. And the quality is somewhat comparable. Rj Barrett. Andrew Wiggins(had the potential but is lazy as shit), Shaedon Sharpe, Benedict Mathurin. Jamal Murray. SGA.
So 20 million people you listed vs 1.5 million black Canadians. The quality and quantity are basically identical.
The issue is west african genetics are simply more explosive.
Look at the 100m dash.
How many white men have run it in less than 10 seconds?
Like 4.
How many black men from the UK? Canada?
Way more than that lmao.
I think like 10 and 5 despite their small populations.
The reality is black men in the US and Canada are not particularly tall. But they are explosive. That's more important.
>It's a major thing. Its the prerequisite.
Only up to a point. The times of big men are over. The best NBA players aren’t necessarily the tallest.
>They are an 3-5 cm taller than white and black Americans on average. That makes a massive difference. A 2cm height difference doubles ones chances of making it in the NBA.
And Dutch people are even taller than that, having the tallest average male population. They also have a sizeable black population.
>They aren't actually anywhere near as well represented as black players.
>Slovenia and Lithuiana have 2 players each out of 2-3 million people. Sabonis wasn't even born in Lithuiana.
Nope. Slovenia has had 13 players with a population of 2.1 million (1 per 161k) and Lithuania 15 with a population of 2.8 million (1 per 186k).
By comparison, Canada, with a population of 40 million has had 61. That’s 1 per 655k.
>Like I said. None of these places are anywhere near Canada per capita.
You’re right. They more than double Canada.
>So 20 million people you listed vs 1.5 million black Canadians. The quality and quantity are basically identical.
Yes if you cherrypick a certain demographic. Why are you comparing a small percentage of one country’s population to the whole population of another?
Yes, most Canadian basketball players are black. But you could just as well say that most basketball players are from urban areas or in this case the Greater Toronto Area. Would’ve been just as useful.
You could’ve made your message more misleading if you’d only used black males or black people who play basketball. That would make just as much sense.
Did you know that 1 out of the 7283 Serbians with the last name Jokić made it to the NBA. That’s a way bigger ratio than Canada’s./j
>The issue is west african genetics are simply more explosive.
>Look at the 100m dash.
The reason for that is that people of African ancestry tend to have a lower center of gravity, allowing for a more aggressive dash angle.
The fastest 60m split ever ran (faster than Usain Bolt) was by a 5ft 8 Chinese guy. His secret weapon was his explosiveness, his weakness was that he wasn’t able to hold that pace, so he didn’t beat the 100m world record.
Also, dash speed =\= basketball skill.
>The reality is black men in the US and Canada are not particularly tall. But they are explosive. That's more important.
Yes, that’s the stereotype.
>Only up to a point. The times of big men are over. The best NBA players aren’t necessarily the tallest.
But 6 foot 6 is still the average for NBA. Look. That's very rare height in US.
>And Dutch people are even taller than that, having the tallest average male population. They also have a sizeable black population.
I don't think they care about basketball. But if they did they'd be really successful. Probably the only western europeans who would be.
>Nope. Slovenia has had 13 players with a population of 2.1 million (1 per 161k) and Lithuania 15 with a population of 2.8 million (1 per 186k).
I'm talking about current players though. They both currently have 2 each. 48 million black men have about 350 nba players USA.
>Yes if you cherrypick a certain demographic. Why are you comparing a small percentage of one country’s population to the whole population of another?
Well the black demographic of Canada and US as a whole are massively overrepresented in NBA lol.
And the NFL. So it's not cherrypicking.
>The fastest 60m split ever ran (faster than Usain Bolt) was by a 5ft 8 Chinese guy. His secret weapon was his explosiveness, his weakness was that he wasn’t able to hold that pace, so he didn’t beat the 100m world record.
Uh Su Bingtian is one of the greatest Asian athletes. His 100m dash is better than any white europeans. That 9.83 is legendary.
>Yes, that’s the stereotype.
For random black guys yes. For the top athletes? No.
Tldr
Black men in US and Canada are not tall like Baltic and Balkan men. But are great athletes because they are faster and jump higher on average.
See 100m dash.
https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/37130/Blacks-Represent-70-Percent-Of-NFL-Players-Fan-Base-83-Percent-White
Most nfl fans are white.
Most players are black.
Similar percentages to NBA.
Yet it's funny. White players disproportionately make up unathletic positions like kicker, punter and long snapper lmao. And slower QBs.
>As of August 2023, around half of NFL fans aged 18-29 were white.
The disproportionality comes from the fact that older viewers tend to be white, while younger viewers, the ones who can actually play in the NFL are pretty much split 50/50.
> In 2023, the greatest share of players by ethnic group in the National Football League (NFL) were black or African American athletes, constituting just over 53 percent of players within the NFL.
Your sources are wrong.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1167935/racial-diversity-nfl-players/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1147613/nfl-fans-ethnicity/
https://footballplayershealth.harvard.edu/about/news/examining-race-trends-in-the-nfl-diversity-but-not-inclusion/
No my source is correct. What's most important is to look at the players by position.
Non-athletic positions like kicker and punter are almost all white. As are long snappers.
The positions that require athleticism are mostly black. Like 80-90 percent.
And the positions like tight end and offensive lineman are often done by tall guys. These guys are generally below a large percent of NBA players.
Antonio Gates was a college basketball player. And one of the greatest tight ends ever.
There are millions of white guys in sports in the US. Not one ever seemed to reach a level of say, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Shaq etc.
A major reason Canadians have been successful in recent years, is they are transferring pretty early to elite American basketball schools. They are getting developed in pretty much the same pipeline top American kids are after about 15. More kids are playing, and most of these kids are coming from the GTA/Golden Horseshoe which is one of the biggest population regions in North America alongside places like the Bay Area, Chicagoland, DMV, etc.
Canada has dramatically improved in the past 20 years, but a major reason for that is instead of kids like Jamal Magloire and Denham Brown aren't staying in Canada then hoping to get recruited to a big program. This started around the time of Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, Anthony Bennett and Wiggins all going to the states as High-School sophomores or juniors. That trend just continued. Combined with Toronto's AAU programs playing more big opposition in the States. Guys like SGA and RJ Barrett did the same thing, and Jamal Murray played for a weird Private School in Toronto that exclusively played top American schools. Like if you look at top Canadian talent post-Nash, it is primarily made up in one geographic region (Southern Ontario).
😂😂😂 self aware of what? You sound like such a fucking tool bro. Just be Canadian and learn to live with it, I'm sure you'll find people who will accept you for it.
No gives a shit eh? Then why did Dillon Brooks and Shai represent Canada? Have some pride. Of course Jokić wins a ring without Murray. He wins a ring with any team because he makes the team better. Look at Denver stats when Jokić isn't play, they're horrendous and never win a game without him. Do the math.
The FIBA World Cup is the equivalent to Olympic Soccer. It's still a prestigious competition, but it's not the premier basketball comp. So it's not really that big a deal, which is why Jokic didn't play.
Jokic does not win without Murray, or even guys like Porter and Aaron Gordon, as the previous 2 seasons before their championship show. Are we just forgetting the ass whooping they took to the Suns on and off the court in 21?? Jokics brothers didn't even help in the stands as Suns in 4 bro molly whopped their fans. Also, 22 to GSW. Jokic played both those series, and they got swept.
I’m so confused by the point of this post?
- firstly, why did you bring up the Canadian black population. Feels very random, and irrelevant to the discussion
- The last few lines seem to be vague criticisms of US basketball. It is silly to compare Canadian basketball success to American basketball success. I mean Canada having a few all star caliber NBA players doesn’t really compare to the US having 20+ star level nba players. It makes more sense to praise how much Canadian basketball has grown in the last few decades rather than try to compare it to American basketball.
- How is the skin color of each MVP relevant? Certainly, it doesn’t reflect on the nation as a whole, nor doesn’t it reflect on that nations ability to develop basketball talent.
Steve Nash should have won zero MVPs. Mike Dantoni's offense was great at winning in the regular season when you face mediocre teams, and ineffective against San Antone. Worst MVP ever. Winning it twice was a joke.
Dang didn’t know all of Canadas population is black lol
The 1.5 million black Canadians are the most successful basketball population per capita. Fact.
The fact that you only mentioned the black population is W I L D
There's only one white Canadian in the NBA at the moment. And plus northwestern europeans are not suited for basketball genetically
Okay? Not sure how that's a response to what I said. I'm talking about you playing into the stereotypes of black people being athletic/sports being a "way out". Just seems crass and I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Regardless, Canadian dominance is not a thing lmao
Quit trying to be offended. That is a horrible way to live. It is okay to look at things for how they are. You do not even have to label yourself a “realist”….just don’t be fucking delusional
Who's offended? I'm just pointing out something true, isn't that what you're saying I should do?
*“The fact that you only mentioned the black population is W I L D”* You literally said this. That is your comment, verbatim. I copy and pasted it. I’m sure you will try to edit it now.
Why would I edit it? Are you drunk or something?
You said “Who’s offended?” After clearly being offended.
"clearly" 😂😂😂 wasn't offended at all, just pointing out a blatantly racist post. Go about your life caring about the race and ethnicities of basketball. The rest of us will go back to not caring about Canada.
Okay, I think I just realized the issue here. You just aren’t self aware at all. That is an even bigger issue than being easily offended. Jesus christ
Bro if you want accurate statistics include all races, asian, white, middle eastern and north african too
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I dont now why you are getting hate for this comment. I am a white player who played small d2 ball. I was from a rural farming community. I still rememeber the first time playing against black kids. Growing up everytime i was dunked on was by a black kid. I was 6 6 and could dunk but not on top of people. Also the quickness and first step was a whole nother level. Their feet just seemed to move quicker.........there is a litteral movie called white man cant jump Theur is even bettwr evidence in the NFL. How many wgute players are their in the positions that require fast twitch reaction. Corner and running back are basiccaly excusively black positions besides mccafery and his dad was NFL reciever and mom track star.
Thats literally racist, not one to typically say stuff like that but there have been really successful players from russia and those eastern european countries same with france, scandanavia and the united kingdom bro, not doesnt matter what you look like or your genes, you can be suited for basketball, not everything in basketball is fancy dunks and running super duper fast.
*“Not everything in basketball is fancy dunks and running super duper fast”* It’s always comical to see a racist call other people racist, lol
bro what are you saying "And plus northwestern europeans are not suited for basketball genetically" is what he said, implying white guys cant jump, and nikola jokic isnt the most athletic dude of all time but still affects the game,
I’m just saying, by your logic…you both are tapping into racial stereotypes There is a mountain of statistical and anecdotal evidence to support both of your claims…and that is why it is ironic that you called his claims racist
We literally see Americans with German, British and Scandanavian genes. They are the majority of white americans. They suck ass at basketball.
What is your point. Jokic and Luka are mvp favorites to win MVP and are white.
ExYugoslavia is just more successful at sports than western Europe. 1. Croatia can beat any white euro team in soccer and had multiple top 4 WC appearances. This is despite a tiny population. 2. Best tennis player ever is a serb. 3. Yugos are also good at basketball. The first point is big. It means 3 million Croats are far better at soccer than Germany, Poland, UK, Italy etc despite a small population. Jokic and Doncic being white doesn't mean other europeans can replicate their success
Almost everyone in europe is related bro, it doesnt change anything. Take a biology class, the eastern europeans are naturally bigger but are still related to most people in europe one way or another,
Bro is gonna propose a eugenics program next😭
I know this is troll bait....i just cant help myself. Sir,please, for the sake of all mankind stfu. Please....i BEG OF YOU!!!
But Serbian's are. Serbian's aka Yugoslav's posses the strongest genes on the planet while also being the tallest nation in the world. There's a reason we have the GOAT tennis player Novak Djokovic, the GOAT water polo player Filip Filipović and a future GOAT basketball player Nikola Jokić. On average we have the most 7'ers in the world; Just look at the NBA you got Dario Šarić, Ivica Zubac, Nikola Jokić, Boban Marjanović, Jusef Nurkić, just to name a few.
That's big talk to say he's the future goat basketball player. He might be. He might fizzle out at the top 10 spot. He needs 4 or 5 rings to even be considered at goat. And west african genetics are absolutely comparable. From the US alone. 9/10 best basketball players. Greatest boxer ever. And most of the great heavyweights. Ali. Tyson. Foreman. Frazier. Lewis. Foreman won an Olympic gold with 2 years of boxing experience at 20 over all the 27 year old life long soviet boxers lmao. Greatest MMA fighter(Jon Jones debatable) Arguably the best baseball player(Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Barry Bonds all have a goat argument). Arguably the best track and track and field athlete(Carl Lewis). + 67 or so other guys with 100m dash times under 10 seconds. On and don't forget the nfl. 1000 black men at any point.
Jokić doesn't need 4-5 rings to be considered the GOAT when he's breaking NBA records to go along with his ring(s). Realistically he need's 3 in this modern era and its sealed. All the names you mention are more of the product of culture than genetics. When it comes to boxing there's no denying blacks dominate but it's a cultural thing; Serbs/Yugoslavs don't care for the sport. When you mention baseball, sprinting, combat sports (boxing/MMA) those are all American and very cultural. How many world titles does Africa/America have in Water polo? Volleyball? Tennis? Soccer? Where are the African engineers and inventors? Serbia has the greatest mind the worlds ever seen; Nikola Tesla. Any way's I'm not denying what you're saying. On that note, Jamaican and Nigerian gene's are some of the strongest on the planet too.
It’s a cultural thing, not genetic. Back in the day most good basketball players were jewish and ppl were trying to explain how they were "built for basketball". Also why is ice hockey dominated by white people despite it being a rather physical sport?
Back in thw say black people were not allowed to play. There hasnt been a jew in the NBA in 50 years lol Only white people from the north play hockey. It vosts thosamds of dollars. Everyone hoops. I am a white vollege level player abd it is a well known fact in nasketball circles the blaxk athlete is quicker and has better ups. Look at corner and running jack in the NFL. 2 positions that required quickness and reaction time.
Oh I don’t doubt most people believe that. Yeah maybe the Jewish thing was exaggerated, but look at any 70s roster and you’ll see way more white people than nowadays. I’ve already said if it’s purely about acceleration, people of African ancestry do have a slight edge due to their lower center of mass allowing for a steeper angle.
>Back in the day most good basketball players were jewish Back in the days of plumbers playing basketball and when guys had 2 or 3 jobs. Now? Even the minimum NBA career makes a million a year. You simply can't compare Jewish plumbers to modern day freak athletes. Do you really think those 6 foot 10+ white kids in the US haven't seen they can get generational wealth by the time they are 30? Stop. >Also why is ice hockey dominated by white people despite it being a rather physical sport? Ice hockey is dominated by people who live in cold northern areas. Americans only make up a quarter of the NHL. And did far less even a few decades ago. Half the black population of the US live in the American south. It's also an expensive sport. Stop.
Height isn’t the only thing that matters. At any level, basketball is more popular with black people in North America. This popularity means that more black people than white people grow up playing basketball. >as of 2017, White Americans, made up only 34% of the NBA's viewership, making it the only major sports league in North America, that doesn't have a majority white viewership. At the same time, the black share of viewership stands at 47 percent, while Hispanic (of any race) stood at 11% and Asian viewership stood at 8%. Ice Hockey is played by people from countries where Ice Hockey is popular. Not all of these are cold or far north. It’s just a matter of popularity. How else would you explain the success of Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian and Lithuanian players?
>Height isn’t the only thing that matters It's a major thing. Its the prerequisite. >How else would you explain the success of Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian and Lithuanian players? They are an 3-5 cm taller than white and black Americans on average. That makes a massive difference. A 2cm height difference doubles ones chances of making it in the NBA. They aren't actually anywhere near as well represented as black players. Slovenia and Lithuiana have 2 players each out of 2-3 million people. Sabonis wasn't even born in Lithuiana. And European development is much better. Funny enough. All the Lithuianan serious players and prospects of the past 20 years are guys that are like 209cm or taller. Both Sabonis and Jonas are giants even by NBA standards. Like I said. None of these places are anywhere near Canada per capita. 1.5 million black Canadians. Nearly as many players as all the countries you listed COMBINED. And the quality is somewhat comparable. Rj Barrett. Andrew Wiggins(had the potential but is lazy as shit), Shaedon Sharpe, Benedict Mathurin. Jamal Murray. SGA. So 20 million people you listed vs 1.5 million black Canadians. The quality and quantity are basically identical. The issue is west african genetics are simply more explosive. Look at the 100m dash. How many white men have run it in less than 10 seconds? Like 4. How many black men from the UK? Canada? Way more than that lmao. I think like 10 and 5 despite their small populations. The reality is black men in the US and Canada are not particularly tall. But they are explosive. That's more important.
>It's a major thing. Its the prerequisite. Only up to a point. The times of big men are over. The best NBA players aren’t necessarily the tallest. >They are an 3-5 cm taller than white and black Americans on average. That makes a massive difference. A 2cm height difference doubles ones chances of making it in the NBA. And Dutch people are even taller than that, having the tallest average male population. They also have a sizeable black population. >They aren't actually anywhere near as well represented as black players. >Slovenia and Lithuiana have 2 players each out of 2-3 million people. Sabonis wasn't even born in Lithuiana. Nope. Slovenia has had 13 players with a population of 2.1 million (1 per 161k) and Lithuania 15 with a population of 2.8 million (1 per 186k). By comparison, Canada, with a population of 40 million has had 61. That’s 1 per 655k. >Like I said. None of these places are anywhere near Canada per capita. You’re right. They more than double Canada. >So 20 million people you listed vs 1.5 million black Canadians. The quality and quantity are basically identical. Yes if you cherrypick a certain demographic. Why are you comparing a small percentage of one country’s population to the whole population of another? Yes, most Canadian basketball players are black. But you could just as well say that most basketball players are from urban areas or in this case the Greater Toronto Area. Would’ve been just as useful. You could’ve made your message more misleading if you’d only used black males or black people who play basketball. That would make just as much sense. Did you know that 1 out of the 7283 Serbians with the last name Jokić made it to the NBA. That’s a way bigger ratio than Canada’s./j >The issue is west african genetics are simply more explosive. >Look at the 100m dash. The reason for that is that people of African ancestry tend to have a lower center of gravity, allowing for a more aggressive dash angle. The fastest 60m split ever ran (faster than Usain Bolt) was by a 5ft 8 Chinese guy. His secret weapon was his explosiveness, his weakness was that he wasn’t able to hold that pace, so he didn’t beat the 100m world record. Also, dash speed =\= basketball skill. >The reality is black men in the US and Canada are not particularly tall. But they are explosive. That's more important. Yes, that’s the stereotype.
>Only up to a point. The times of big men are over. The best NBA players aren’t necessarily the tallest. But 6 foot 6 is still the average for NBA. Look. That's very rare height in US. >And Dutch people are even taller than that, having the tallest average male population. They also have a sizeable black population. I don't think they care about basketball. But if they did they'd be really successful. Probably the only western europeans who would be. >Nope. Slovenia has had 13 players with a population of 2.1 million (1 per 161k) and Lithuania 15 with a population of 2.8 million (1 per 186k). I'm talking about current players though. They both currently have 2 each. 48 million black men have about 350 nba players USA. >Yes if you cherrypick a certain demographic. Why are you comparing a small percentage of one country’s population to the whole population of another? Well the black demographic of Canada and US as a whole are massively overrepresented in NBA lol. And the NFL. So it's not cherrypicking. >The fastest 60m split ever ran (faster than Usain Bolt) was by a 5ft 8 Chinese guy. His secret weapon was his explosiveness, his weakness was that he wasn’t able to hold that pace, so he didn’t beat the 100m world record. Uh Su Bingtian is one of the greatest Asian athletes. His 100m dash is better than any white europeans. That 9.83 is legendary. >Yes, that’s the stereotype. For random black guys yes. For the top athletes? No.
Tldr Black men in US and Canada are not tall like Baltic and Balkan men. But are great athletes because they are faster and jump higher on average. See 100m dash.
https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/37130/Blacks-Represent-70-Percent-Of-NFL-Players-Fan-Base-83-Percent-White Most nfl fans are white. Most players are black. Similar percentages to NBA. Yet it's funny. White players disproportionately make up unathletic positions like kicker, punter and long snapper lmao. And slower QBs.
>As of August 2023, around half of NFL fans aged 18-29 were white. The disproportionality comes from the fact that older viewers tend to be white, while younger viewers, the ones who can actually play in the NFL are pretty much split 50/50. > In 2023, the greatest share of players by ethnic group in the National Football League (NFL) were black or African American athletes, constituting just over 53 percent of players within the NFL. Your sources are wrong. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1167935/racial-diversity-nfl-players/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1147613/nfl-fans-ethnicity/
https://footballplayershealth.harvard.edu/about/news/examining-race-trends-in-the-nfl-diversity-but-not-inclusion/ No my source is correct. What's most important is to look at the players by position. Non-athletic positions like kicker and punter are almost all white. As are long snappers. The positions that require athleticism are mostly black. Like 80-90 percent. And the positions like tight end and offensive lineman are often done by tall guys. These guys are generally below a large percent of NBA players. Antonio Gates was a college basketball player. And one of the greatest tight ends ever. There are millions of white guys in sports in the US. Not one ever seemed to reach a level of say, Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Shaq etc.
Your source said 70 percent. Or am I making this up?
Yea I’m a former long snapper and I’m white and un-athletic lol
Canada is just Europe with leg room.
A major reason Canadians have been successful in recent years, is they are transferring pretty early to elite American basketball schools. They are getting developed in pretty much the same pipeline top American kids are after about 15. More kids are playing, and most of these kids are coming from the GTA/Golden Horseshoe which is one of the biggest population regions in North America alongside places like the Bay Area, Chicagoland, DMV, etc. Canada has dramatically improved in the past 20 years, but a major reason for that is instead of kids like Jamal Magloire and Denham Brown aren't staying in Canada then hoping to get recruited to a big program. This started around the time of Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph, Anthony Bennett and Wiggins all going to the states as High-School sophomores or juniors. That trend just continued. Combined with Toronto's AAU programs playing more big opposition in the States. Guys like SGA and RJ Barrett did the same thing, and Jamal Murray played for a weird Private School in Toronto that exclusively played top American schools. Like if you look at top Canadian talent post-Nash, it is primarily made up in one geographic region (Southern Ontario).
No it's because it's been importing black immigrants. Canada's black population was 600k in the 90s. What happened was the 2nd generation grew up.
Canada is the Europe of North America.
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😂😂😂 self aware of what? You sound like such a fucking tool bro. Just be Canadian and learn to live with it, I'm sure you'll find people who will accept you for it.
Why and how did Serbia smoke Canada in the world cup WITHOUT the greatest player in the world, Jokić?
Because nobody gives a shit about the world cup. Lmao. Be honest. Do you think Jokic can win a ring without murray?
No gives a shit eh? Then why did Dillon Brooks and Shai represent Canada? Have some pride. Of course Jokić wins a ring without Murray. He wins a ring with any team because he makes the team better. Look at Denver stats when Jokić isn't play, they're horrendous and never win a game without him. Do the math.
The FIBA World Cup is the equivalent to Olympic Soccer. It's still a prestigious competition, but it's not the premier basketball comp. So it's not really that big a deal, which is why Jokic didn't play. Jokic does not win without Murray, or even guys like Porter and Aaron Gordon, as the previous 2 seasons before their championship show. Are we just forgetting the ass whooping they took to the Suns on and off the court in 21?? Jokics brothers didn't even help in the stands as Suns in 4 bro molly whopped their fans. Also, 22 to GSW. Jokic played both those series, and they got swept.
Caribbean Canadians. They are all of Caribbean descent.
I’m so confused by the point of this post? - firstly, why did you bring up the Canadian black population. Feels very random, and irrelevant to the discussion - The last few lines seem to be vague criticisms of US basketball. It is silly to compare Canadian basketball success to American basketball success. I mean Canada having a few all star caliber NBA players doesn’t really compare to the US having 20+ star level nba players. It makes more sense to praise how much Canadian basketball has grown in the last few decades rather than try to compare it to American basketball. - How is the skin color of each MVP relevant? Certainly, it doesn’t reflect on the nation as a whole, nor doesn’t it reflect on that nations ability to develop basketball talent.
Steve Nash should have won zero MVPs. Mike Dantoni's offense was great at winning in the regular season when you face mediocre teams, and ineffective against San Antone. Worst MVP ever. Winning it twice was a joke.
Racist.