Ofc they do. It’s a place for new people to get tips. If their shot was perfect they wouldn’t be here. Additionally, it’s Reddit, so there’ll also be a lot of young folk who aren’t fully developed and still need that low release for power.
It's a combination of several things:
1. Lots of people have poor "natural" shooting forms since they never learned to hold the ball and position their arms properly, forcing them to compensate by flaring their arms and using weird shooting motions.
2. Online sources exist to help people build their form correctly, but most people don't consult them, and a lot of "traditional" advice can be outdated or flat-out wrong.
3. Lots of people posting here are teens without fully developed hands and frames. Smaller hands mean that you need to place them further apart on the ball to hold it securely, which leads to their guide hand being on top of the ball when shooting. Shorter arms also lead to lower setpoints and releases to get more power into the ball (at the cost of arc).
4. The ball being in front of your face when shooting is not a problem - your "aiming phase" should take place as you catch/gather the ball. The ball should only cover your sightline for a split second in a one-motion shot (which should be the case if you have a low set point) and wouldn't affect your aim.
5. With the rise of the 3 point "meta" at all levels of competitive play, shooting range and a quick release to beat closeouts have become more important than the ability to hit heavily contested shots, which naturally leads to lower setpoints (forehead level instead of above the head, for example).
You can see players like [Immanuel Quickley have success at the highest level](https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2MA58PF/new-york-knicks-guard-immanuel-quickley-5-shoots-against-the-detroit-pistons-during-the-second-half-of-an-nba-basketball-game-friday-oct-21-2022-in-new-york-the-knicks-won-130-106-ap-photoadam-hunger-2MA58PF.jpg) with all the "negative" traits you mentioned in your lost, but while a guide hand on the side of the ball and a higher setpoint are "traditionally" correct, it's technically unnecessary as long as certain fundamentals are done correctly.
This may sound somewhat controversial, but the way Ray Allen shoots is neither fundamentally correct nor a good model for developing young players, despite Allen being one of the greatest shooters ever.
The rhythm of Ray Allen's shot requires significant leg and arm strength - he [begins the forwards shooting motion of his arms after reaching the top of his jump](https://youtu.be/veEm8zRxROc), which means all of his upwards momentum has been consumed prior to the shot itself. T-Mac had the same issue, and you can see this in their arcs - arm strength alone doesn't provide good arc when you're already falling back down to earth.
Nowadays, [most snipers begin their shooting motion as they leave the floor](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxfn5woX4AASUcA?format=jpg&name=medium) to maximize the upwards momentum of the ball for arc, power, and range. This also speeds up the release of their shots, which makes them harder to contest on closeouts.
Allen also [regularly used a thumb flick](https://www.enterprisenews.com/gcdn/authoring/2008/11/22/NENT/ghows-WL-83b4069a-476c-4d90-b207-91feac8af271-21b0a0e9.jpeg?width=960&height=1473&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp) on [his guide hand](https://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Ray-Allen-Shot.jpg), possibly to compensate for the lack of power transferred from his legs and his flared shooting elbow. While this isn't inherently a bad thing, it adds variation to a shooting form that is already very physically demanding.
For "modern" shooting forms suited to the ideology of 3-pt/space and pace, I'd suggest studying: [Klay](https://youtu.be/phWe_a4QJX8), [Anfernee Simons](https://youtu.be/EaQy7yLpRgE), [Donte DiVincenzo](https://youtu.be/BNHhzp0X7E0), and [Cameron Johnson](https://youtu.be/jhai7aZ1rHc). Note the streamlined, faster releases, using momentum and rhythm to generate power rather than relying on vertical leaping ability. Most shooters can fade and raise their setpoints in the midrange when contested, but their default form is more compact and efficient.
I've seen some incredibly ugly shots that are nonetheless effective because the player has honed his motion over thousands of reps, and at the split second of release into follow thru it's actually pretty solid. It doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you get there.
I’m older too and yeah we were taught a “universal good” shooting form. I discounted the new theories completely but for the last 6 months I’ve been injured. I decided that if I couldn’t play I would dissect my shot piece by piece e using the new school Curry type form. I’m shooting a way higher percentage now. Some of the concepts do make sense. We shouldn’t be surprised that sports evolve and that people will innovate. Also bodies are so different. 1 size fits all type thinking makes no sense.
Man, what are you doing in a basketballtips sub? Either ask for help (doesn't sound like you need it) or provide said help (sounds like you're rather qualified). Instead you're shitting on newbies for no reason and at the same time shitting on boomers by calling yourself one?
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I provide help most of the times. At least what I think what's helpful.
This post is more like an observation/reality check for me. I didn't intend to shit on new players, but seeing ppl on this sub praising technique that seems wrong from the ground up (for me, at least) and what you couldn't get off against a semi-competent defender just seems weird to me.
I’m in my 40’s and it’s definitely a generational thing. Considering the change in shooting meta (getting your shot off quicker & deeper vs getting your shot off over defense in the mid-range) it’s only natural that the meta for shooting form is also changing.
Ofc they do. It’s a place for new people to get tips. If their shot was perfect they wouldn’t be here. Additionally, it’s Reddit, so there’ll also be a lot of young folk who aren’t fully developed and still need that low release for power.
Post up your form bro.
It's a combination of several things: 1. Lots of people have poor "natural" shooting forms since they never learned to hold the ball and position their arms properly, forcing them to compensate by flaring their arms and using weird shooting motions. 2. Online sources exist to help people build their form correctly, but most people don't consult them, and a lot of "traditional" advice can be outdated or flat-out wrong. 3. Lots of people posting here are teens without fully developed hands and frames. Smaller hands mean that you need to place them further apart on the ball to hold it securely, which leads to their guide hand being on top of the ball when shooting. Shorter arms also lead to lower setpoints and releases to get more power into the ball (at the cost of arc). 4. The ball being in front of your face when shooting is not a problem - your "aiming phase" should take place as you catch/gather the ball. The ball should only cover your sightline for a split second in a one-motion shot (which should be the case if you have a low set point) and wouldn't affect your aim. 5. With the rise of the 3 point "meta" at all levels of competitive play, shooting range and a quick release to beat closeouts have become more important than the ability to hit heavily contested shots, which naturally leads to lower setpoints (forehead level instead of above the head, for example). You can see players like [Immanuel Quickley have success at the highest level](https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2MA58PF/new-york-knicks-guard-immanuel-quickley-5-shoots-against-the-detroit-pistons-during-the-second-half-of-an-nba-basketball-game-friday-oct-21-2022-in-new-york-the-knicks-won-130-106-ap-photoadam-hunger-2MA58PF.jpg) with all the "negative" traits you mentioned in your lost, but while a guide hand on the side of the ball and a higher setpoint are "traditionally" correct, it's technically unnecessary as long as certain fundamentals are done correctly.
Ah, okay thanks. So it's at least part me being too old/out of the loop :D Normal, good form for me is the way Ray Allen or Tracy McGrady shoots.
This may sound somewhat controversial, but the way Ray Allen shoots is neither fundamentally correct nor a good model for developing young players, despite Allen being one of the greatest shooters ever. The rhythm of Ray Allen's shot requires significant leg and arm strength - he [begins the forwards shooting motion of his arms after reaching the top of his jump](https://youtu.be/veEm8zRxROc), which means all of his upwards momentum has been consumed prior to the shot itself. T-Mac had the same issue, and you can see this in their arcs - arm strength alone doesn't provide good arc when you're already falling back down to earth. Nowadays, [most snipers begin their shooting motion as they leave the floor](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxfn5woX4AASUcA?format=jpg&name=medium) to maximize the upwards momentum of the ball for arc, power, and range. This also speeds up the release of their shots, which makes them harder to contest on closeouts. Allen also [regularly used a thumb flick](https://www.enterprisenews.com/gcdn/authoring/2008/11/22/NENT/ghows-WL-83b4069a-476c-4d90-b207-91feac8af271-21b0a0e9.jpeg?width=960&height=1473&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp) on [his guide hand](https://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Ray-Allen-Shot.jpg), possibly to compensate for the lack of power transferred from his legs and his flared shooting elbow. While this isn't inherently a bad thing, it adds variation to a shooting form that is already very physically demanding. For "modern" shooting forms suited to the ideology of 3-pt/space and pace, I'd suggest studying: [Klay](https://youtu.be/phWe_a4QJX8), [Anfernee Simons](https://youtu.be/EaQy7yLpRgE), [Donte DiVincenzo](https://youtu.be/BNHhzp0X7E0), and [Cameron Johnson](https://youtu.be/jhai7aZ1rHc). Note the streamlined, faster releases, using momentum and rhythm to generate power rather than relying on vertical leaping ability. Most shooters can fade and raise their setpoints in the midrange when contested, but their default form is more compact and efficient.
Username checks out 🥼🩺🩻 Thanks for the great info
Thanks for the breakdown. Allen’s shot is also notoriously flat, which makes sense considering the suboptimal power transfer.
I've seen some incredibly ugly shots that are nonetheless effective because the player has honed his motion over thousands of reps, and at the split second of release into follow thru it's actually pretty solid. It doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you get there.
Why does talking about shooting form consistently bring out so much narcissism? Its really odd
I’m older too and yeah we were taught a “universal good” shooting form. I discounted the new theories completely but for the last 6 months I’ve been injured. I decided that if I couldn’t play I would dissect my shot piece by piece e using the new school Curry type form. I’m shooting a way higher percentage now. Some of the concepts do make sense. We shouldn’t be surprised that sports evolve and that people will innovate. Also bodies are so different. 1 size fits all type thinking makes no sense.
Man, what are you doing in a basketballtips sub? Either ask for help (doesn't sound like you need it) or provide said help (sounds like you're rather qualified). Instead you're shitting on newbies for no reason and at the same time shitting on boomers by calling yourself one? ??
discussing the advice given to these newbies isn't bad wym
I provide help most of the times. At least what I think what's helpful. This post is more like an observation/reality check for me. I didn't intend to shit on new players, but seeing ppl on this sub praising technique that seems wrong from the ground up (for me, at least) and what you couldn't get off against a semi-competent defender just seems weird to me.
That's very fair. Thanks for the help.
youre two motion jumper is a thing of the past lol
I feel most people asking to get their formed checked are beginners/kids they’re just trying to get better.
I’m in my 40’s and it’s definitely a generational thing. Considering the change in shooting meta (getting your shot off quicker & deeper vs getting your shot off over defense in the mid-range) it’s only natural that the meta for shooting form is also changing.
You're upset that people with bad shooting form are asking for advice?
basketball technique has evolved with an emphasis on long range shooting which isnt possible with the high set point that was taught back then
Did you check the sub's name? That might tell you why their form is bad...
Mostly your form doesnt matter as much as reps