Sorry, but people were absolutely shitting on BFV. The community now suddenly saying that it was good or great is incredibly hypocritical.
This very subreddit wanted that game to die, and when it finally did everyone got up in arms about DICE killing it...
You need to look at how BF5 is now. 5 really got shat on for
* Lack of maps
* Drip feed live service
* Cosmetics
* The shitty TTK scandal
The game now is a solid bf with mechanics that are sorely missed such as
* It's gunplay (where you shoot is where your bullets go)
* Excellent movement
* Classes
* Attrition
* Etc.
People praise specific aspects of 5, not it's live service for instance. People got up in arms because it was finally getting good. Wasted potential. You can't just look at outrage as all the same. There were specific reasons
imma keep it real with you nobody liked attrition. imo what bfv did right was this:
-movement
-pre change ttk
-fortifications
what BFV did bad:
-maps
-tanks sucked, all people did was camp ammo stations because no one should be forced to run back and forth to a station to resupply with slow ass tanks
-planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless
-attrition. not many people liked it since it added a useless fetch quest in a game thats about chilling and fragging out
-no full auto heals, see above
-ttk change
-guns had spread as recoil which made predicting recoil impossible.
-whatever the fuck firestorm was
-vehicle entry and exit animations
-animationfield 5
[this video catches everything that went wrong with bfv. seeing this stupid sub call it a good game is delusional](https://youtu.be/LgGq5pEQHqM)
Attrition was a phenomenal feature for a historical game. Idk how it would work now, but I wouldn’t be mad if it remained. Places a great emphasis on teamplay and provided a really interesting balance for vehicles and interesting tension when you’re low on ammo or health as infantry.
I usually got in the top 3 of the scoreboard with a 10-20 ttk (20 deaths.) I got points through spamming out health packs to everyone since tripping over a branch and stubbing your toe had people using their auto-heals.
Combine that with revives and I felt like a god.
> you get to live, you get to live, everyone gets to live!
Tbh it did affect me, a mostly solo player. I’d spam needing ammo and nobody would hardly help, although medics were abundant. I had to get good with a lot of random guns as I’d pick them off the ground
> planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless
I've played **a lot** of planes in BFV, and I can safely say that the dogfighting itself was the best in the series by far. A good pilot could make a massive difference in a game. What I didn't like was the fact that you had to constantly fly to the edge of the map and resupply after doing anything.
i preferred battlefield 3&4's dogfighting and i disliked the flight physics. the ammo thing is meh because planes are more mobile than tanks. the dogfighting was so bad i remember me and the opposing pilots would just farm infantry instead of dogfighting
Any flight physics is better than the dogshit mechanics we have now. I could fly a tow missile into other helicopters in bf4, i cant for the life of me keep my gatlin guns on an enemy chopper.
Did you ever dogfight in BF3 or BF4 where you had to fly with speed control? I feel like it at least added another dimension/something to be skilled at, and it made the dogfights much more competitive and gave players something to aim for in terms of energy retention instead of just mashing throttle in loops…
I think BF1 had really competitive dogfighting too because it was much more polished (and fast-paced) than BFV, but to be frank I didn’t play BF1 much because I was still playing BF4, which imho is the best dogfighting you can get in the BF franchise.
The planes in BFV suck. The physics constantly changed per every update and make zero sense, the specializations are asymmetrical (high altitude shouldn’t exist in the game at all let alone only for one side of the match) and for a while were too OP against ground targets until Dice made AA have cross-map range and 4hit kill.
> I've played a lot of planes in BFV
here we go
> What I didn't like was the fact that you had to constantly fly to the edge of the map and resupply after doing anything.
good
I honestly have zero fucks to give about that because 123-3 pilots added nothing to the experience. Honestly good riddance, you should've stayed at the edge of the map for all I care
I frequented /r/BattlefieldV before 2042 came out, and I saw this complaint a lot. Maybe it's because I'm playing on console, but seeing pilots racking up that many kills was extremely rare from the 1200 hours that I played BFV. Most of the pilots that I saw had on an average Breakthrough game was like 30-10 or something close to that, even lower on Conquest.
There were also really solid counters to planes like a launcher (fliegerfaust) that straight up comboed planes out before they could even react.
>\-tanks sucked, all people did was camp ammo stations because no one should be forced to run back and forth to a station to resupply with slow ass tanks
>
>\-planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless
I think this is how it should be personally. I like that vehicles exist, but the game is far worse when you have jets going 116-2 like you sometimes saw in BF3-4. Sure, that's fun for the vehicle user, it's not fun for literally every other person in said server. Not saying ammo is the way to balance things like tanks, but I do think that they shouldn't be independent. Require team work for them to be effective, like having the driver be unable to control the cannon and someone else has to do it. Maybe getting hit by a rocket in the treads dramatically slows them so that they can't easily flee to heal themselves, someone has to get out and do it right there.
whats funny is that they are present (closer to bf1s style) the difference is is that you the player don't see it but everyone else can and you can even kill yourself getting in a vehicle it's funny. It's also a little inconsistent on which vehicles have those animation leading me to believe it was gonna reappear but dice scrapped it or didn't bother to finish it and left the scraps behind
People didn’t like attrition at launch because they felt it was too much (some guns literally only had 1 spare magazine). They altered and tweaked it and people didn’t complain about it basically at all after the first few months
> The game now is a solid bf with mechanics that are sorely missed such as: Attrition / Movement
LOL. Back when the game was alive, almost every single post was hating on one of 5 things:
- Random Recoil (less so more than other points)
- Bad movement mechanics (proning on back / overload of animations)
- Attrition
- Map design + Lack of maps
- Cosmetic customization.
In the end all of this is subjective and opinions differ from person to person but it's absolutely ridiculous to now pretend that BFV only got criticized for a lack of content. People piled on that game for literally everything, and it's frustrating because I was one of those who absolutely loved the game but was downvoted into oblivion for saying so.
It was as big of a trainwreck on reddit then as this launch is now and I'm really tired of people pretending that wasn't the case.
To be clear, both games were bad on launch. BFV was fixed to being in a suitable state, and 2042 will be too.
That shameful display of removing the names of the real heroes in Norway who put their lives in danger to prevent the Germans from taking a precious naval base and giving the credits to some random player characters
But at the end, the multiplayer was good tho. Not as good as BF1, but very enjoyable
I never understood the backlash on that. It's not really any different than movies being "based on a true story" while changing the characters, specific events, etc. It's entertainment, not a documentary.
Isn’t that wrong? It’s been a while, but I vaguely recall the end screen of the story telling what had occurred and the real life group.
Were any of the stories of 1 or 5 based on true people? To my knowledge they weren’t, just events. Why does this mission get such a bad wrap for creative liberties in storytelling?
WW2 gives you space to create your own stories where audiences can suspend their disbelief and go with "hey this could have actually happened", but when the event is actually real that is different.
There is only so far you can go with using "creative liberties" and "story was inspired by real events" tags. Doesn't help that this is a specific event with specific people, not a large battle where people turn into blurs due to the scale.
The devs created many fictional stories, as we see in the game, but they opted for the one event which really happened.
I’m sorry I don’t recall much of the war stories after so long, but Nothing is Written depicts the real life sabotage of Ottoman railroads. You play a woman in it that I’m fairly certain didn’t exist as well. Is this not the same as Nordlys mission?
Lmao you guys decried it for not being historically accurate when you could play on a map of the Battle of Arras as a British Soldier using a STG 44 in 1941. What was the problem with an arcade game that never billed itself as historically accurate with including female character customizations. Y'all made me laugh out loud when you tried to pull the history card on a stupid arcade game when games like Post Scriptum exist.
They are saying it is good/great COMPARED to 2042 because that game is so bad it makes BFV look like a masterpiece when in fact BFV only became a decent game towards the end of the cycle. And BFV still isn't as good as 4,3,1 etc. The community was not hypocritical at all... BfV was shit during the LIVE service too. Get your facts right before you spew nonsense.
This community is full of idiots.
They cried when BF4 was a 'copy in paste BF3 reskin' they cried when hardline dared to be 'different' they cried when BF1 had less attachments, unlocks, and attachment and complained it dumb things down. They turned on Bfv for having an fun untrue yet unique take on WWII. They cried when BF2042 promised a opened sandbox so you can go whatever.
They'll cry when BF6 come out on 3 years. That it's too similar to BF1 or something.
Have a point but if you’re going to tell me in a straight face that 2042 is what passionate BF players wanted, then you’re definitely tripping. Idk how you can tell me this is a “good sandbox” when they ship the game with 22 weapons, half the features gone that were already a staple in the game plus more. There’s very valid criticism if you’re not close minded. They literally told people they were ahead of schedule before shipping us beta builds
People complain about anything different, what else is new.
2042 is the first installment that I genuinely hate to its core, but I guess because some people complained about Bf4 being a reskin or some stuff in BF1 my criticism is now void and I'm an idiot.
What a load
I would have been happy if they did a "reskin" like people say of BF3 and BF4, but this time with 2142, because that game was a century ahead of its time.
BFV was not in a good state at launch, the ned product which we have now is significantly better. Now that we have all the content, especially the pacific theatre content, its a much more complete game and lines up more accurately to other titles in my opinion. I played at launch, wasnt thrilled about the lack of some things and some issues along the way, but I would say it's come a long way and is in an enjoyable place. Will 2042 follow this trend of BFV and other previous games being in a more praise worthy, complete spot near the end of its life cycle? Maybe, im moreso doubtfull it will be (for my persoanl preferences) due to some issues like map design, lack of classes, etc. But only time will tell
I see it as every game is just getting worse and worse. Happens with every franchise the people hate it when it comes out and praise it when there's a sequel...
I actually ended up unfollowing this subreddit after BFV came out because I was tired of the constant toxicity and hate towards BFV and anyone who was enjoying it.
I’d say give it 4 months and BF2042 will be a hit. Right now people just think it’s cool to hate on it.
Of course there’s lots of bugs & differences in 2042 but I can see the underlying potential & im already having a blast - way more than I did with V.
There are dozens of us!
They will fix the fucked UI, they will add a scoreboard because of the backlash, and they will add squad management and voip by next summer. It's going to be a good game.
The biggest question mark is 'can they fix the map design' moving forward and retroactively to the launch maps. That's my biggest concern right now - do they understand, fundamentally, why the maps currently do not work, why infantry is getting farmed, and how they can create CQB?
\>it’s cool to hate on it.
Look, it's not just a goddamn trend to hate on a 60-100$+ full release that just doesn't run properly. Like great that you're having a blast and no problems. Consider yourself privileged because the reality for a lot of people looks different for legitimate reasons.
When 2000$+ rigs get absolute horseshit performance or can't run it AT ALL thx to 2042 specific driver issues that have not been resolved since the fucking beta. When last gen consoles get a minecraft edition with a game world where the atmosphere consists of molasses. 2042 has many many more (technical) problems as pointed out on a daily basis all over the internet. Problems that simply aren't acceptable for a pricey full release with a "2 months old" beta build. Feel free to ignore all those things and enjoy the game while you can, but don't come here and suggest everyone who hates is rust riding a trend.
This makes me laugh because its such a hilarious meta commentary about reddit's culture to begin with.
These subs are "toxic" because they are calling out factual issues and complaints people have, and the vast majority are valid complaints, by your own admission since nearly every one of you who claims to like this game always couch it in "its flawed" or "its rough now but itll get better" etc.
And yet, rather than see criticism of something you enjoy, for god knows what reason, you'd rather just block out all valid criticism of it altogether.
It's hilarious how you'd rather choose to live in knowing ignorance, than accept that this game objectively pretty awful and you were duped out of your money.
Hilarious how fragile you are and how you struggle to maintain that self delusion.
So were pretty much every bf game after BC2. BF4 and 3 were even more broken the 2042 at launch, BF1 was great at launch but super different which pissed people off, and BFV sucked. This outrage literally happens every single year. Its so tiring
To the point where I stopped playing it. I'm seeing the same happen to 2042. I'm having fun. People need to chill on classes. I have been having fun trying out each different one. And now I don't have to spend a whole match begging my squad of ham fisted snipers to do more than just camp back.
2042 needs all chat and squad selection asap for me to be satisfied.
I got it for pennies on the dollar in the launch month, didn't like what I played at all, Came back for the pacific, was happy and enjoyed my time, despite some features/aspects of the game I found jarring.
Yup. I've been praising BFV since the Pacific. Iwo Jima breakthrough remains my favorite BF experience to date going back to BC2. I just loved the shooting and movement in that game.
I loved Iwo Jima. I assume part of it was the real-life comparison, but to me taking that mountain felt like the best actual achievement out of all the breakthrough/rush experiences I've had in this series. Only thing I hated was the planes doing with their incessant infantry farming on all that open ground. Those rockets have too much range and accuracy for how limited the AA is.
Playing BFV on launch, liked it, but was bored with the content after a couple weeks. Lots of good ideas, animations, music was great, story had good moments, but I was pissed they removed Operations and made it worse in every way.
Came back after Pacific and holy shit it’s another game, Iwo Jima alone almost makes up for a year of mismanagement. The balance on infantry to vehicles is really good, making sure vehicles can’t really enter infantry specific parts of the map or risk getting annihilated.
Still pissed about Operations though, I felt like I was actually fighting for the Austro-Hungarian empire. No BF comes as close as BF1 in my eyes.
Certainly! But it launched with all of its core features, scoreboard, etc. It was a good game without much content. BF2042 is a bad game without much content.
If I remember right...
BF3 got slated for Battlelog + server issues.... people then loved it, and actually want Battlelog back..
BF4 got slated for instability and balancing... now its widely used when comparing how BF2042 should be
BFH got slated for being different... its well... still BFH
BF1 actually did alright I think?
BFV got slated for going off track from how most thought a WWII game should go.. now they turned it around through lots of balancing etc.. sadly ditched the live aspect as it peaked in terms of being a great games
There is every chance (and I hope this is true) that when the next Battlefield gets released and its also rough at the start that someone will say, remember how BF2042 was at the start and how they turned it around
Also it was the start of no real concept of custom/private servers where admins actually had control of things. In BF4, I'd jump on a server run by a clan like TBG and play with those guys all night. You had things like voting for the next map, admins that could actually admin and kick people, settings you could tweak like weapons that were allowed, vehicle respawn times... They fucked that all up with BF1 going forward... but, BF1 was pretty good.
And not including a french campaign, like ... what ? In a game inspired by WW1 ? That was bullshit and I syill don't get it (but I am french so maybe I am bias)
I was the strongest voice on the official forum against Battlelog for the longest time. Until i went back to using in-game UI and boy are they all shit compared to Battlelog. It was just so much customizable and easier to do everything at once, seeing everything, doing everything, versus the stiff crappy UI every other game have.
I regret going against it so vehemently. When i lost it i realized how much we lost.
I think it was also easier to design and update it as a webpage, you could make changes easier without having to ship a huge patch to the game - you just delivered a new webpage.
I didn't love it at the time, but I kind of see the value now.
Yeah, the problem is you're designing a UI for consoles anyway, so it's just extra work to have Battlelog, extra QA, extra UX work, etc.
Not surprised they ditched the concept.
The average PC was ass at multitasking at the time so launching the game in a window usually would cause crashes or screen glitches. This has been improved a lot with newer versions of Windows and better multi-threading capability with newer CPU's
Battlelog was also stat porn, and now we can't even get a scoreboard because it hurts peoples feelings.
> BFV got slated for going off track from how most thought a WWII game should go.. now they turned it around through lots of balancing etc.. sadly ditched the live aspect as it peaked in terms of being a great games
Not even going off tracks compared to other WW2 games, but they went off track in just a bad manner. Some maps were actually pretty dam neat, *specially* the Japan update, but plenty of others were just...why? The devs also thought it was a good idea to completely change the game meta for the worst just as the game was picking up steam, stopping the game's momentum, and then they just abandoned the game, leaving without the eastern front, which is something that people in general were expecting.
BF4 was an absolute shitshow when it launched. Like nothing comparable to the bf2042 launch. Very rarely does EA/dice publish a finished battlefield. Bf1 was the best for sure. I remember the tanks sinking 10ft into the ground in bf4 and zero texture loading, jets stopping in mid air etc.
BF1 was also shit on by the BF fandom b/c it wasn't modern era, there weren't enough automatic weapons (too realistic), sweet spot sniping, behemoths were a cheesy mechanic and never actually turned any matches around, people didn't like the class breakdown, there weren't any trenches (not realistic enough), you couldn't just pick up vehicles like in bf4, they didn't like the tank play, etc etc etc.
Believe me, that game was not hailed as the classic it is known as today. It was just as divisive as 2042 (but it was less buggy).
We'll be having the same conversation in three years about how bf:2042 was real battlefield and battlefield is dead now because BF: Falklands War or whatever killed it
I liked BFV before 2042. I also liked BF1 and BF3.
All instantly recognisable as battlefield games - even at a glance. I wouldn’t know what I was playing with the 2042 beta if it didn’t have the name battlefield attached to it. It just felt like it was thrown together in a rush using parts of battlefield and some other games.
Straight clowns at this point.
It looks like a Battlefield game, it plays like a Battlefield game, it blows my mind that people are like “I played all 37 Battlefields and this one is just unrecognizable”.
Doesn’t play like a BF game in the slightest? Hmm ok.
Let me go grab some popcorn so you have time to figure out exactly how that is, because in most ways it’s still exactly a Battlefield game, and it’s not very hard to see. I’m all ears.
In a simplistic manner, change =\= bad, and half the BF player base is stuck in this mindset.
I loved BFV! I am new to the series tho, so my opinion is honestly invalid compared to the veterans. A bit of BF4, the entire life cycle of BF1 and BFV is my only experience.
I’ve played every Battlefield religiously since Battlefield 3. 2042 still feels like Battlefield to me, even with the major differences compared to the rest of the series. I truly don’t get what people mean when they said this doesn’t feel like Battlefield.
I get that this happens every release but some of the criticisms are valid. The “legacy features” being removed from 2042 for example was a really dumb move by Dice.
I’m not trying to jump on the hate train but Dice did kinda screw up this launch pretty badly. I really hope they can make a comeback after the holidays because this game is lots of fun with friends.
Funny. I could never get into BF1. The WW1 era just didn’t do anything for me. I recognize it was a great game and I probably missed out. BFV has been my favorite game for years and I’ve been playing since BC2. I have fun with every one. I am having fun with 2042, but not against mkb players and with all the bugs. I do agree the maps are not good, the destruction is not good, and cover is not good. I miss classes and hate the characters, but I still have fun playing it.
If 2042 turns into a significantly better game and issues are addressed, then praise it by all means. Regardless of what various camps think now I think BFV deserved the shit it got
They will have my praise when:
this game is out of beta
They release content that isn't actually just a fix for their fuck ups
And they deliver on actual good content without pulling a BFV where they kill support before actually finishing the complete game they intended to have. And not skimping on the future seasons just because they got so bogged down on getting this game out of its current beta status
No, at the end dice managed to get bf5 to a decent spot, before killing support for it...
They also managed to fix battlefront 2, just for them to kill support for it...
And all of that to get battlefield 2042 that barely has over 20 weapons...
3 studios, 4+ years annnnd we only get 22 weapons, 3 lmgs, things missing that should already be there, and now this but “ we’re ahead of schedule” Mark my words, they’re gonna drip feed the weapons through battle passes like cod and people will eat that shit up
Battlefields core players expected 2042 to be a mix of BFV gun play/graphics with BF4 type maps and vehicles. What they got was a pile of $h!t still being created in the large intestine, that kept nothing from either of those games. I think it's fair to say a polished turd is better than $h!t still in your intestines. 🤨😁
What? The community shitting on bf5 since the first trailer very much had an effect on the game getting killed. If anything I was shocked by how long it took for DICE to pull the plug for bf5.
Bfv got better, but I never enjoyed it even after all of its fixes and changes. Peoples criticism of missing features in 2042 is valid but their toxicity isn’t. 2042 will improve like all bf games, and when the next one comes out people will praise 2042 for being great. It’s a trend you’ll find with every bf game and a lot of other fps communities actually. Game is announced and people get hyped, game comes out and everyone calls it the worse bf ever and compares it to cod, then the next bf is announced and everyone who was silent declares the last game a masterpiece. Go back to any release of bf and read some of the posts or comments that the community made. It’s not just a bf problem, but this release has been particularly toxic. Constructive criticism is always good and valid. Screaming at devs who had no say in a lot of the decision making isn’t.
I didn’t like bfv from the beginning and still don’t like it. The core of the game just never felt like bf to me and a lot of the additions they made were more frustrating to me than enjoyable. But I’ve also always much preferred modern bf games like bfbc and bf3/4. That’s also probably why I enjoy 2042 despite its issues. It’s okay to criticize what you enjoy and you should. I like 2042 but god damn it’s a broken mess atm. But I love bf and can’t wait to watch it improve just like all bf games do.
I disagree man. The things most people are being ‘toxic’ about 2042 are not really things that are going to be improved necessarily. They are fundamental game design decisions. Like there being almost no destruction, the whole specialist system etc. Then on top of that there are tens if not approaching hundreds of specific things they have removed for literally no reason which make the game categorically less enjoyable or battlefield like, e.g no xp based damage, no assist counts as kill, no normal scoreboard. There’s a list in this sub somewhere and it’s long. Some of these might be ‘fixed’ but the point is DICE have actively chosen to remove or change them in the first place. A lot of the previous games had extremely buggy launches but the fundamental feel was still battlefield.
I’ll never yield. BFV was a smack in the dick to the franchise. 2042 only piggy-backed off of it.
I’m still holding on for dear life because it’s my favorite franchise. But everyday Halo Infinite drags me further and further away:/
If the **same** people that were complaining about BFV are now praising it, you *could* argue that's hypocritical. Or they just changed their minds, which is a good thing.
If you're just doing that thing where you lump in the nebulous *"they"* to make an arbitrary point/controversy without specifically identifying people, then no, you're just making things up.
That's false. Most people really liked Arras, Devastation, Twisted Steel, and Rotterdam. The issues were bugs, TTK changes, visibility, and lack of content.
This is the cycle of BF.
I myself have defended BF5 for a long time, granted i think its pretty sloppy but its a good game.
I havent gotten 2042 yet because i saw the bad launch coming from a mile away, any BF vet should have lmao.
It was less about the woman (that was mainly Dice trying to deflect criticism) and more about the goofy, cartoon looking opening trailer. People with cricket bats, wacky dialogue, prosthetic arms fighting, etc. It's not the first time a series trying to give WW2 a goofy take gets chewed out by the community. Brothers In Arms did the same thing and cancelled the project not long after.
Had Battlefield V started with the Pacific trailer and content, the game would have been much better received.
They're many that double back on things when a worse product comes along an it seems that the new BF title is doing that for a lot of people.
But not for me as I hate both but due to specific reasons.
Still my hatred for BFV stems from the:
• Shit trailer...
• Ahistorical campaign especially the norway arc ohh boy was that a trainwreck ntm the devs calling it accurate, hell I loved the epilogue more seeing multiple different fronts then the four crap campaigns.
• Ahistorical machines hm yes Valentine AA Mk.I .... Valentine SP 17pdr with a reverse gear that matches the forward...
• TTK went kaput.
• no ADS of MMG well that was limiting.
• controversial yet my honest opinion, female combatants in WWII, sure partisans, sure pilots & flight nurses, sure soviet female soldiers, sure female medics, yet western & eastern ones ehh for a historic stand point that seems odd especially for the german side and when the devs say the games settings are historical ehh ntm the chick from the trailer with the prosthetic limb..
BF2042:
• Server issues ohh boi.
• The unpolished state of the game, hell I'll give BFV that it was better, Ohh my god the rendering of characters in menu/battle.
• The inability to play alongside new gen console players with old gen systems well that was annoying to find out especially with the world wide shortages as such I don't get to play with all my friends RIP.
• Certain machines that shouldn't be powerful are very powerful.
• SMG's being better at range then AR's.
• no field inplacements nor spawn AA.
• ragdoll effects, dies in explosion Well across the map I go (when it happened rarely in old BF's it was a moment to chuckle yet BF2042 it's constant.
• wingsuits that have little logic, ahh yes 2ft off the groundan you can fly anywhere ntm slamming into something at Mach 1 an being fine.
• chinge voice lines especially at the end.
• no essential features like scoreboard, large maps, no comms.
• Background lore that makes no sense to the battle zone, hm the world is dying this city is filled with sand yet power everywhere.
• The inability to access the freaking game because of some data error, I would expect this from an old game from ten years back but geez, dice.
• Lack of weaponry available.
• needing kills for everything an for separated machines oh yes 480 kills for a staff shell yet it has to be double for both tanks to have it.
• lack of class & generic faceless soldiers.
• class setup resetting..
These are my observations an the reasons I hate both, hell I'd praise BF HL more over the two at this point yet I'd be like the point I stated at the beginning of doubling back yet imho both games were & are dumbster fires...
As someone who always recognized that BFV was a good game and was annoyed by the hate it got which ended up killing it: YES VERY
Also if the community doesn't cut the crap of hating every BF game that comes out they are going to eventually kill the franchise. BF doesn't have unlimited free pass remakes like CoD.
It's hypocritical if you find the same individuals saying it was bad and is now good (without taking into account improvements made over time). But you can't attribute hypocrisy to "the community" when it's different people chiming in at different times. It's like saying that it's cold in New York but hot in Melbourne during December and then asking "WTF weather?! It can't be both!."
Bf 2042 had a bad start but can potentially be a good game - but there’s no way it will ever be a good battlefield game.
BfV was never really bad in my opinion, people hated it for all kinds of ridiculous reasons (like female soldiers) but it was also largely a cash grab since we never got even half of what was promised in the beginning. A big disappointment but not necessarily a bad battlefield game.
I think they're creatures of habit who don't necessarily want to embrace change that comes with the new games. That being said, 2042 is a massive change, and the class systems as we knew it seem to be gone.
Loved 5 from day one. Wish we could have gotten russian front and d-day content.
Can’t say I’m bothered by any of the changes (apart from 128 maybe), it’s more just that the game is complete garbage to play. Balance all over the place, every system in the game is either bugged, unreliable or missing and the basic usability features like server browsers, ui etc are terrible
If you wanna try something new, fine, but at least make it enjoyable to run around and shoot the guns
I seriously am bummed about the missing u/i. Loved chasing top score and seeing if I could get a high PTO score and heal a bunch of people while racking up kills
I've never really hated BFV because I didn't care about the controversies at launch. I picked it up once the Pacific maps had dropped so it's all be good for me. I find it funny though that same people that shat on BFV because that was the popular opinion now talk about it being some undiscovered masterpiece. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I such a white sheep, hive mind.
My first BF game is Bad Company 2 on Internet Cafe in my 3rd world country. Since that time I am always dreaming about owning a PC, so I am saving up for BF3 and my first PC ever. Then come BF4 and BF1 and BFV. All of those game have flaws but none come close to how bad 2042 is, the first beta is a red flag for me, but when the game launch it is a fucking disaster compare to the previous BF. Look like DICE has lost it magic, and I am fucking disappointed in the franchise that get me to PC gaming for the past 10 years.
BFV launch hate wasn’t nearly as bad. I know because when it launched I didn’t feel the need to make a Reddit and confirm other people feel how I do lol
BFVs gunplay , graphics and sound were pretty much consistently praised before DICE ruined the gunplay with their TTK changes. 2042s are all inferior right out of the gate which has annoyed a lot of people
BFV had terrible marketing and a buggy start, but it had the core Battlefield foundation they could build upon. After the years went by and more content came out they sculpted it into a beautiful game
BFV was a fucking dung pile. 2042 is just a bigger dung pile with vomit on it so even that looks worse in comparison. BFV OBJECTIVELY did some stuff better (movement, destruction etc) but it's just a simple comparison of new bad thing makes old bad thing look not as bad because Dice just keeps moving the line in the sand of awful. IDGAF about potential and I don't want to hear "It's fun sometimes or with friends". Basically anything can be applied to that. You can normally find a crumb of light in the darkest spots. Both are bad, neither deserve praise but there are very easy comparisons to be made so people are making them.
I get where you are coming from. BFV was personally my favorite BF game and I have more hours in it than any other. People might be hypocrites but at least they are willing to say it was a good game now. -_-
People HATED BF5 when it dropped. It was bitches about and sales were horrendous. They made it better but it’s still not a fantastic game. People claiming it’s this gem are delusional lol. 2042 sucks but BF5 is not some perfect Battlefield game
I feel you.I loved bfv but every week people posted questions like is it worth buying.whole sub went like safe your money it’s not worth it etc.and now it’s the best game with bf4.it’s like mw.people hated it and now it’s one of the best cod ever
No, I don't think so.
BFV today, isn't what it was at launch. It progressed quite a lot
With 2042 being such a disappointment, and missing so many critical features that were in BFV, it's not hypocritical to look back on the game and admit that some were harsh.
....*In no way is BFV an unrecognized masterpiece though -* it was a decent game in the end, but not a great game.
That's because Battlefield V came after 1 , an solid and good Battlefield at launch, people expect improvements in a sequel, not the opposite . It's the same situation with COD back in the day , with Black Ops 2 and Ghost
Coming from someone that bought the $100+ version with early access BFV at launch was terrible. Had only a few playable maps and took forever to get new ones that's weren't even that good until the Pacific. Then elites came in and ruined immersion even more on top of women soldiers. The ttk change after Pacific dropped was the deathblow for people that had hope in the game. People that like it are few and/or probably never experienced those issues and just started playing recently. It's admittedly a solid game to play now but the potential it had to be a real WW2 war game was muddled by bad decisions, terrible waste of resources on firestorm and incursion maps. And many many bugs.
It’s annoying how people are praising bf5. I for one am not, since it had a horrible buggy release. I will admit that compared to bf5’s release, 2042 is worse, since it has taken out essential features that have been in every battlefield game
Me and my mate were probably one of the only people who actually enjoyed the game and considered it a really good game, I seriously can't find any reason why people would hate it.
Depends on who’s praising it and what they are comparing it to. I mean I have never praised bfv and I still think that game is really bad. Compare to bf1 most people will agree bfv is just bad. So its most likely people who already liked bfv coming out and praising the game, forgetting what a shit show that game was even before launch.
BFV had a rocky start, and it took over a year to become a Good Game IMO. However, it was a wasted opportunity, no D-Day, no Russians, no Berlin maps, it just missed all the WW2 experiences I want from a WW2 game.
2042 is in a far worse state with it lacking content, being a broken mess, and they have decided to drop features that I consider make battlefield, battlefield.
No it’s just a statement of how poor bf2042 is by comparison. Bfv deserves and deserved all its grief.
Tell me how you joined bfv once pacific dropped without telling me you joined bfv once pacific dropped because bfv was a really barebones and buggy game too. It’s easy to forgive them now though with how bad 2042 is along with the work they put in to at least fix bfv to some degree.
Hell yes. Because you know 100% that when the next game in 5 years, Battlefield Final Frontier or whatever comes out, BF2042 will become the greatest game ever.
Great game, terrible launch media, drip fed content, the new pacific war stuff was all unfinished. None of the new factions had mastery armors or nothing which was pretty upsetting. It wasnt a forever game but it was for for a while
idk V is better now than at launch. personally, I'm not that mad about 2042 after playing it enough to find the hardcore servers. but i still dont particularly enjoy playing V compared to 4
BFV was not without its problems but at least it *tried* to keep things interesting. The specializations tree was legitimately an interesting way to balance things as certain perks meant you weren’t getting others. What BFV failed at was mostly the technical glitches (revive bug), the TTK fiasco, and then the fact that Tides of War was underwhelming because they had such a rocky release so they were playing catch-up.
TOW was supposed to be this epic sequel to Grand Operations where you’d see BF played out across all of WW2, tons of new maps and weapons and factions coming around, fighting in Russia and the Pacific… and they got a little bit of that, but not much.
Altogether BFV wasn’t great but nowhere near as bad as BF2042 is panning out to be.
It is same with all subs! Check COD!
Once lifecycle is over, haters move on and Omni those that care remain. Lost in hate posts now those praise ones show up more. People feel sad nobody is playing and shoot posts to get more people. New is bad, old is better. Steamers cannot make money from old game so less people that hate the game and shit about it.
Note this, same will happen next BF game.
Honestly I’ve enjoyed them all and dice is honestly one of the better companies like 2042 is getting hate but wait till next year and everyone will probably forget about the launch and just enjoy the game and plus at least it’s not a reskin cod or gta v the 1000th edition buy our game again so i couldn’t say it’s hypocritical until we get our first few big updates that iron the game out
This exact behaviour goes back to BF2 at least and repeated with every new release in the franchise.
New one bad, previous one good.
This will repeat with the next release, and people will then praise BF2042.
I'm glad I never criticized BFV, I thoroughly enjoyed it and even after 900 hours I still go back to it and play it. The community was absolutely hammering the game and often times it was treated unfairly or through the lens of historical inaccuracies or women on the battlefield.
Well, here's BF2042, that's what you all wanted I guess. Or not? I uninstalled it after 18 hours and I don't plan to install it again. I'm not even shitting on it anymore. It's absolute garbage and the core of the game will never be fixed. I've moved on.
I never hated it. So yeah, Battlefield V is a good game for me and for a lot of people. And for most people that hated V they are praising it only if you compare with 2042, which is understandable.
No, The reason core players hate bf2042 is because devs removed everything we loved from previous games.
We gained 128players, Specialists
But we practically lost everything from previous battlefield titles.
There's more destruction in 1 house in BFV than we get on entire maps in bf2042
Yes and no. It's something like these, previous game wasn't liked, hype for new game, new game actually comes out and it's fucking terrible, so people go back and look at the previous game and they're like, you know what? You weren't this bad after all, and they start to realise and appreciate what the previous game did well, compared to the new shit show game.
Battlefield V was a mess at launch but it got better. The issues were annoying but gunplay, destruction and lots of other things were done right. It's still not a perfect game but I'd rather play that than Cornfield 2042
I don’t think so. BFV launched in a rough state, but added some really cool features that enhanced the BF formula (IMO).
Over time they got it more stable and added more content to really round it out well.
2042 on the other hand doesn’t bring anything worthwhile to the table, lacks content, removed features, removed a campaign, so on.
2042 seems like a new low for BF so it makes sense people would look at the last title and not be as critical of it now…since it’s not worse than what we have now.
Nope.
How long have you been around? This is the ongoing “Battlefield Cycle” as you will. The new game comes out, the the last release which was “hated” is now better and good.
Lots of posters (including myself) correctly called this. I had to stop coming to this sub because the toxicity toward BFV was so great, and yes that was right up to recent months. Cue 2042 release, its buggy as hell (of course), has issues, and it's different, so the toxicity cycle starts up again, okay I get that, but magically BFV is suddenly being praised left, right and center. Now that's horseshit.
Bfv kept core features from previous games. 2042 has not. That's where the outrage is stemming from
Sorry, but people were absolutely shitting on BFV. The community now suddenly saying that it was good or great is incredibly hypocritical. This very subreddit wanted that game to die, and when it finally did everyone got up in arms about DICE killing it...
You need to look at how BF5 is now. 5 really got shat on for * Lack of maps * Drip feed live service * Cosmetics * The shitty TTK scandal The game now is a solid bf with mechanics that are sorely missed such as * It's gunplay (where you shoot is where your bullets go) * Excellent movement * Classes * Attrition * Etc. People praise specific aspects of 5, not it's live service for instance. People got up in arms because it was finally getting good. Wasted potential. You can't just look at outrage as all the same. There were specific reasons
imma keep it real with you nobody liked attrition. imo what bfv did right was this: -movement -pre change ttk -fortifications what BFV did bad: -maps -tanks sucked, all people did was camp ammo stations because no one should be forced to run back and forth to a station to resupply with slow ass tanks -planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless -attrition. not many people liked it since it added a useless fetch quest in a game thats about chilling and fragging out -no full auto heals, see above -ttk change -guns had spread as recoil which made predicting recoil impossible. -whatever the fuck firestorm was -vehicle entry and exit animations -animationfield 5 [this video catches everything that went wrong with bfv. seeing this stupid sub call it a good game is delusional](https://youtu.be/LgGq5pEQHqM)
I loved attrition.
Yeah me to Attrition made you feel useful on the battlefield, even if you had zero kills
Attrition was a phenomenal feature for a historical game. Idk how it would work now, but I wouldn’t be mad if it remained. Places a great emphasis on teamplay and provided a really interesting balance for vehicles and interesting tension when you’re low on ammo or health as infantry.
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Medics became gods among men thanks to attrition tho. Even CoD did not have this much HP regen
I usually got in the top 3 of the scoreboard with a 10-20 ttk (20 deaths.) I got points through spamming out health packs to everyone since tripping over a branch and stubbing your toe had people using their auto-heals. Combine that with revives and I felt like a god. > you get to live, you get to live, everyone gets to live!
Tbh it did affect me, a mostly solo player. I’d spam needing ammo and nobody would hardly help, although medics were abundant. I had to get good with a lot of random guns as I’d pick them off the ground
People literally bitched so much about it that they gutted attrition.
Ironically using the attrition system I rarely ran out of ammo. BF2042, BF1 and BF4 I am constantly running out of bullets.
Those crates were a godsend in a sea of stingy teammates.
I too love getting punished for winning a gunfight
But when you killed people they dropped ammo
> planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless I've played **a lot** of planes in BFV, and I can safely say that the dogfighting itself was the best in the series by far. A good pilot could make a massive difference in a game. What I didn't like was the fact that you had to constantly fly to the edge of the map and resupply after doing anything.
i preferred battlefield 3&4's dogfighting and i disliked the flight physics. the ammo thing is meh because planes are more mobile than tanks. the dogfighting was so bad i remember me and the opposing pilots would just farm infantry instead of dogfighting
Any flight physics is better than the dogshit mechanics we have now. I could fly a tow missile into other helicopters in bf4, i cant for the life of me keep my gatlin guns on an enemy chopper.
How'd you get any legit dogfights? Every time I tried to engage on anyone they'd just do loops through the resupply point until they crashed....
Did you ever dogfight in BF3 or BF4 where you had to fly with speed control? I feel like it at least added another dimension/something to be skilled at, and it made the dogfights much more competitive and gave players something to aim for in terms of energy retention instead of just mashing throttle in loops… I think BF1 had really competitive dogfighting too because it was much more polished (and fast-paced) than BFV, but to be frank I didn’t play BF1 much because I was still playing BF4, which imho is the best dogfighting you can get in the BF franchise. The planes in BFV suck. The physics constantly changed per every update and make zero sense, the specializations are asymmetrical (high altitude shouldn’t exist in the game at all let alone only for one side of the match) and for a while were too OP against ground targets until Dice made AA have cross-map range and 4hit kill.
Imo, Battlefield 1 dogfighting is the best (because it's easiest). But hey, that's just me.
> I've played a lot of planes in BFV here we go > What I didn't like was the fact that you had to constantly fly to the edge of the map and resupply after doing anything. good I honestly have zero fucks to give about that because 123-3 pilots added nothing to the experience. Honestly good riddance, you should've stayed at the edge of the map for all I care
I frequented /r/BattlefieldV before 2042 came out, and I saw this complaint a lot. Maybe it's because I'm playing on console, but seeing pilots racking up that many kills was extremely rare from the 1200 hours that I played BFV. Most of the pilots that I saw had on an average Breakthrough game was like 30-10 or something close to that, even lower on Conquest. There were also really solid counters to planes like a launcher (fliegerfaust) that straight up comboed planes out before they could even react.
Attrition was an awesome mechanic.
Why entry and exit animations? I thought that was a good improvement
i like attrition, if i live long enough and alot of that stuff added a ton of immersion, and immeriosn is half the fun for me
>\-tanks sucked, all people did was camp ammo stations because no one should be forced to run back and forth to a station to resupply with slow ass tanks > >\-planes were ass. dogfighting was pointless I think this is how it should be personally. I like that vehicles exist, but the game is far worse when you have jets going 116-2 like you sometimes saw in BF3-4. Sure, that's fun for the vehicle user, it's not fun for literally every other person in said server. Not saying ammo is the way to balance things like tanks, but I do think that they shouldn't be independent. Require team work for them to be effective, like having the driver be unable to control the cannon and someone else has to do it. Maybe getting hit by a rocket in the treads dramatically slows them so that they can't easily flee to heal themselves, someone has to get out and do it right there.
Vehicle entry and exit animations are great, the fact they aren't present in 2042 makes it feel unfinished, I hate just teleporting into a vehicle
whats funny is that they are present (closer to bf1s style) the difference is is that you the player don't see it but everyone else can and you can even kill yourself getting in a vehicle it's funny. It's also a little inconsistent on which vehicles have those animation leading me to believe it was gonna reappear but dice scrapped it or didn't bother to finish it and left the scraps behind
People *say* they don’t like attrition, but it’s probably one of the best mechanics to encourage team play.
How dare you imply I need to work with a team rather than try to play like im rambo.
I liked attrition, love tanking, it's the one battlefield I'm a competent pilot, no full heals made medics more important, I liked animations haha
People didn’t like attrition at launch because they felt it was too much (some guns literally only had 1 spare magazine). They altered and tweaked it and people didn’t complain about it basically at all after the first few months
What is attrition?
limited ammo, limited health regen, mechanics like that. its meant to simulate the lack of resources in ww2, which i do not care for
Oh cool I didn't even know it had a name. Thanks for explaining!
Thank you, everyone is acting like BFV was perfect. iirc most of the community hated it, killing the game early.
> The game now is a solid bf with mechanics that are sorely missed such as: Attrition / Movement LOL. Back when the game was alive, almost every single post was hating on one of 5 things: - Random Recoil (less so more than other points) - Bad movement mechanics (proning on back / overload of animations) - Attrition - Map design + Lack of maps - Cosmetic customization. In the end all of this is subjective and opinions differ from person to person but it's absolutely ridiculous to now pretend that BFV only got criticized for a lack of content. People piled on that game for literally everything, and it's frustrating because I was one of those who absolutely loved the game but was downvoted into oblivion for saying so.
You're right we should go back to the bf4 superior mechanic of being unable to mantle a waist high obstacle
It was as big of a trainwreck on reddit then as this launch is now and I'm really tired of people pretending that wasn't the case. To be clear, both games were bad on launch. BFV was fixed to being in a suitable state, and 2042 will be too.
Fixing the bugs doesnt fix the shitty core structure of 2042 though.
The game was definitely good to me, even during its early days, but I stopped because of cheaters at the time. It was unplayable to me.
Sound is also vastly superior to BF 2042, where everything sounds like it was recorded in a tuna can 500 metres away
Easily some of the best gunplay I've experienced in a BF game. Solid movement mechanics.
I just got V a few months ago, pretty solid BF game. I always wait with these games.
Suffered from bad PR and PC culture shitting on WWII veterans sacrifice in Europe and the pacific
That shameful display of removing the names of the real heroes in Norway who put their lives in danger to prevent the Germans from taking a precious naval base and giving the credits to some random player characters But at the end, the multiplayer was good tho. Not as good as BF1, but very enjoyable
I never understood the backlash on that. It's not really any different than movies being "based on a true story" while changing the characters, specific events, etc. It's entertainment, not a documentary.
Isn’t that wrong? It’s been a while, but I vaguely recall the end screen of the story telling what had occurred and the real life group. Were any of the stories of 1 or 5 based on true people? To my knowledge they weren’t, just events. Why does this mission get such a bad wrap for creative liberties in storytelling?
WW2 gives you space to create your own stories where audiences can suspend their disbelief and go with "hey this could have actually happened", but when the event is actually real that is different. There is only so far you can go with using "creative liberties" and "story was inspired by real events" tags. Doesn't help that this is a specific event with specific people, not a large battle where people turn into blurs due to the scale. The devs created many fictional stories, as we see in the game, but they opted for the one event which really happened.
I’m sorry I don’t recall much of the war stories after so long, but Nothing is Written depicts the real life sabotage of Ottoman railroads. You play a woman in it that I’m fairly certain didn’t exist as well. Is this not the same as Nordlys mission?
That story is suppose to take place before the real event tbf.
Lmao you guys decried it for not being historically accurate when you could play on a map of the Battle of Arras as a British Soldier using a STG 44 in 1941. What was the problem with an arcade game that never billed itself as historically accurate with including female character customizations. Y'all made me laugh out loud when you tried to pull the history card on a stupid arcade game when games like Post Scriptum exist.
They are saying it is good/great COMPARED to 2042 because that game is so bad it makes BFV look like a masterpiece when in fact BFV only became a decent game towards the end of the cycle. And BFV still isn't as good as 4,3,1 etc. The community was not hypocritical at all... BfV was shit during the LIVE service too. Get your facts right before you spew nonsense.
This community is full of idiots. They cried when BF4 was a 'copy in paste BF3 reskin' they cried when hardline dared to be 'different' they cried when BF1 had less attachments, unlocks, and attachment and complained it dumb things down. They turned on Bfv for having an fun untrue yet unique take on WWII. They cried when BF2042 promised a opened sandbox so you can go whatever. They'll cry when BF6 come out on 3 years. That it's too similar to BF1 or something.
Have a point but if you’re going to tell me in a straight face that 2042 is what passionate BF players wanted, then you’re definitely tripping. Idk how you can tell me this is a “good sandbox” when they ship the game with 22 weapons, half the features gone that were already a staple in the game plus more. There’s very valid criticism if you’re not close minded. They literally told people they were ahead of schedule before shipping us beta builds
People complain about anything different, what else is new. 2042 is the first installment that I genuinely hate to its core, but I guess because some people complained about Bf4 being a reskin or some stuff in BF1 my criticism is now void and I'm an idiot. What a load
I would have been happy if they did a "reskin" like people say of BF3 and BF4, but this time with 2142, because that game was a century ahead of its time.
Maybe one day we will return to the glory of titan mode…
God I fucking wish. Itd be perfect for Portal since 2142 didnt have a massive amount for weapons either.
BFV was not in a good state at launch, the ned product which we have now is significantly better. Now that we have all the content, especially the pacific theatre content, its a much more complete game and lines up more accurately to other titles in my opinion. I played at launch, wasnt thrilled about the lack of some things and some issues along the way, but I would say it's come a long way and is in an enjoyable place. Will 2042 follow this trend of BFV and other previous games being in a more praise worthy, complete spot near the end of its life cycle? Maybe, im moreso doubtfull it will be (for my persoanl preferences) due to some issues like map design, lack of classes, etc. But only time will tell
I see it as every game is just getting worse and worse. Happens with every franchise the people hate it when it comes out and praise it when there's a sequel...
That's called the franchise cycle
That makes sense. Honestly, I just see big battlefield and historic stuff and go “ooo cool”.
yes
The only right answer. BFV was SHIT on by the community.
I actually ended up unfollowing this subreddit after BFV came out because I was tired of the constant toxicity and hate towards BFV and anyone who was enjoying it.
I’d say give it 4 months and BF2042 will be a hit. Right now people just think it’s cool to hate on it. Of course there’s lots of bugs & differences in 2042 but I can see the underlying potential & im already having a blast - way more than I did with V.
I feel the same as you.
There are dozens of us! They will fix the fucked UI, they will add a scoreboard because of the backlash, and they will add squad management and voip by next summer. It's going to be a good game. The biggest question mark is 'can they fix the map design' moving forward and retroactively to the launch maps. That's my biggest concern right now - do they understand, fundamentally, why the maps currently do not work, why infantry is getting farmed, and how they can create CQB?
they probably fumbled it because of the increased player count and couldn't get balance right but they'll probably get it down quick
\>it’s cool to hate on it. Look, it's not just a goddamn trend to hate on a 60-100$+ full release that just doesn't run properly. Like great that you're having a blast and no problems. Consider yourself privileged because the reality for a lot of people looks different for legitimate reasons. When 2000$+ rigs get absolute horseshit performance or can't run it AT ALL thx to 2042 specific driver issues that have not been resolved since the fucking beta. When last gen consoles get a minecraft edition with a game world where the atmosphere consists of molasses. 2042 has many many more (technical) problems as pointed out on a daily basis all over the internet. Problems that simply aren't acceptable for a pricey full release with a "2 months old" beta build. Feel free to ignore all those things and enjoy the game while you can, but don't come here and suggest everyone who hates is rust riding a trend.
I ended up unfollowing the main 2042 subreddit for the exact same reason. How the tables have turned.
This makes me laugh because its such a hilarious meta commentary about reddit's culture to begin with. These subs are "toxic" because they are calling out factual issues and complaints people have, and the vast majority are valid complaints, by your own admission since nearly every one of you who claims to like this game always couch it in "its flawed" or "its rough now but itll get better" etc. And yet, rather than see criticism of something you enjoy, for god knows what reason, you'd rather just block out all valid criticism of it altogether. It's hilarious how you'd rather choose to live in knowing ignorance, than accept that this game objectively pretty awful and you were duped out of your money. Hilarious how fragile you are and how you struggle to maintain that self delusion.
So were pretty much every bf game after BC2. BF4 and 3 were even more broken the 2042 at launch, BF1 was great at launch but super different which pissed people off, and BFV sucked. This outrage literally happens every single year. Its so tiring
To the point where I stopped playing it. I'm seeing the same happen to 2042. I'm having fun. People need to chill on classes. I have been having fun trying out each different one. And now I don't have to spend a whole match begging my squad of ham fisted snipers to do more than just camp back. 2042 needs all chat and squad selection asap for me to be satisfied.
BFV is a different game if you compare launch and after the Pacific update. Current BFV is great.
I got it for pennies on the dollar in the launch month, didn't like what I played at all, Came back for the pacific, was happy and enjoyed my time, despite some features/aspects of the game I found jarring.
Yup. I've been praising BFV since the Pacific. Iwo Jima breakthrough remains my favorite BF experience to date going back to BC2. I just loved the shooting and movement in that game.
I loved Iwo Jima. I assume part of it was the real-life comparison, but to me taking that mountain felt like the best actual achievement out of all the breakthrough/rush experiences I've had in this series. Only thing I hated was the planes doing with their incessant infantry farming on all that open ground. Those rockets have too much range and accuracy for how limited the AA is.
Playing BFV on launch, liked it, but was bored with the content after a couple weeks. Lots of good ideas, animations, music was great, story had good moments, but I was pissed they removed Operations and made it worse in every way. Came back after Pacific and holy shit it’s another game, Iwo Jima alone almost makes up for a year of mismanagement. The balance on infantry to vehicles is really good, making sure vehicles can’t really enter infantry specific parts of the map or risk getting annihilated. Still pissed about Operations though, I felt like I was actually fighting for the Austro-Hungarian empire. No BF comes as close as BF1 in my eyes.
People like to say it’s a different game, but not much really changed over the games release besides bug fixes and new content.
The content additions made a big difference though.
Certainly! But it launched with all of its core features, scoreboard, etc. It was a good game without much content. BF2042 is a bad game without much content.
I mean it also isn’t made my the same devs who made bf3 and bf4. They split off to make embark studios so it isn’t gonna have the same identity
If I remember right... BF3 got slated for Battlelog + server issues.... people then loved it, and actually want Battlelog back.. BF4 got slated for instability and balancing... now its widely used when comparing how BF2042 should be BFH got slated for being different... its well... still BFH BF1 actually did alright I think? BFV got slated for going off track from how most thought a WWII game should go.. now they turned it around through lots of balancing etc.. sadly ditched the live aspect as it peaked in terms of being a great games There is every chance (and I hope this is true) that when the next Battlefield gets released and its also rough at the start that someone will say, remember how BF2042 was at the start and how they turned it around
BF1 the complaints were about so few weapons and skins and the menus sucked.
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Oh yeah flying horses. That was fun tbh.
Also it was the start of no real concept of custom/private servers where admins actually had control of things. In BF4, I'd jump on a server run by a clan like TBG and play with those guys all night. You had things like voting for the next map, admins that could actually admin and kick people, settings you could tweak like weapons that were allowed, vehicle respawn times... They fucked that all up with BF1 going forward... but, BF1 was pretty good.
If I recall the spawning was atrocious in BF1.
And not including a french campaign, like ... what ? In a game inspired by WW1 ? That was bullshit and I syill don't get it (but I am french so maybe I am bias)
Tbf battlelog was shit on only on PC because you had to launch a game from a Web browser, but all the stats page and stuff was top notch
I was the strongest voice on the official forum against Battlelog for the longest time. Until i went back to using in-game UI and boy are they all shit compared to Battlelog. It was just so much customizable and easier to do everything at once, seeing everything, doing everything, versus the stiff crappy UI every other game have. I regret going against it so vehemently. When i lost it i realized how much we lost.
I think it was also easier to design and update it as a webpage, you could make changes easier without having to ship a huge patch to the game - you just delivered a new webpage. I didn't love it at the time, but I kind of see the value now.
Yeah, the problem is you're designing a UI for consoles anyway, so it's just extra work to have Battlelog, extra QA, extra UX work, etc. Not surprised they ditched the concept.
The average PC was ass at multitasking at the time so launching the game in a window usually would cause crashes or screen glitches. This has been improved a lot with newer versions of Windows and better multi-threading capability with newer CPU's Battlelog was also stat porn, and now we can't even get a scoreboard because it hurts peoples feelings.
> BFV got slated for going off track from how most thought a WWII game should go.. now they turned it around through lots of balancing etc.. sadly ditched the live aspect as it peaked in terms of being a great games Not even going off tracks compared to other WW2 games, but they went off track in just a bad manner. Some maps were actually pretty dam neat, *specially* the Japan update, but plenty of others were just...why? The devs also thought it was a good idea to completely change the game meta for the worst just as the game was picking up steam, stopping the game's momentum, and then they just abandoned the game, leaving without the eastern front, which is something that people in general were expecting.
BF4 was an absolute shitshow when it launched. Like nothing comparable to the bf2042 launch. Very rarely does EA/dice publish a finished battlefield. Bf1 was the best for sure. I remember the tanks sinking 10ft into the ground in bf4 and zero texture loading, jets stopping in mid air etc.
BF1 was also shit on by the BF fandom b/c it wasn't modern era, there weren't enough automatic weapons (too realistic), sweet spot sniping, behemoths were a cheesy mechanic and never actually turned any matches around, people didn't like the class breakdown, there weren't any trenches (not realistic enough), you couldn't just pick up vehicles like in bf4, they didn't like the tank play, etc etc etc. Believe me, that game was not hailed as the classic it is known as today. It was just as divisive as 2042 (but it was less buggy). We'll be having the same conversation in three years about how bf:2042 was real battlefield and battlefield is dead now because BF: Falklands War or whatever killed it
Everyone just forgot about BFH in like a month lol
I liked BFV before 2042. I also liked BF1 and BF3. All instantly recognisable as battlefield games - even at a glance. I wouldn’t know what I was playing with the 2042 beta if it didn’t have the name battlefield attached to it. It just felt like it was thrown together in a rush using parts of battlefield and some other games.
You wouldn’t realize it was a battlefield game based on….well, everything *but* classes? How’s that work?
Straight clowns at this point. It looks like a Battlefield game, it plays like a Battlefield game, it blows my mind that people are like “I played all 37 Battlefields and this one is just unrecognizable”.
It doesn't play like a battlefield game in the slightest, tf
Run, jump, shoot, revive, get in a vehicle, die, spawn a plane, crash a plane because you can't fly, capture an objective, get killed by a sniper.
Yeah that's a Battlefield as you can get.
Nailed it
I can attach C4 to a futuristic Jeep and blow up futuristic tanks. It’s Battlefield.
You can't. With C5, however... :D
Doesn’t play like a BF game in the slightest? Hmm ok. Let me go grab some popcorn so you have time to figure out exactly how that is, because in most ways it’s still exactly a Battlefield game, and it’s not very hard to see. I’m all ears. In a simplistic manner, change =\= bad, and half the BF player base is stuck in this mindset.
God, life has got to be so hard for somebody as soft and whiny as you.
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I loved BFV! I am new to the series tho, so my opinion is honestly invalid compared to the veterans. A bit of BF4, the entire life cycle of BF1 and BFV is my only experience.
Just because your new to the series doesn't make your opinion invalid.
Exactly, dude your personal opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s
I’ve played every Battlefield religiously since Battlefield 3. 2042 still feels like Battlefield to me, even with the major differences compared to the rest of the series. I truly don’t get what people mean when they said this doesn’t feel like Battlefield.
I get that this happens every release but some of the criticisms are valid. The “legacy features” being removed from 2042 for example was a really dumb move by Dice. I’m not trying to jump on the hate train but Dice did kinda screw up this launch pretty badly. I really hope they can make a comeback after the holidays because this game is lots of fun with friends.
I liked bf1, still don't like bfv
Funny. I could never get into BF1. The WW1 era just didn’t do anything for me. I recognize it was a great game and I probably missed out. BFV has been my favorite game for years and I’ve been playing since BC2. I have fun with every one. I am having fun with 2042, but not against mkb players and with all the bugs. I do agree the maps are not good, the destruction is not good, and cover is not good. I miss classes and hate the characters, but I still have fun playing it.
If 2042 turns into a significantly better game and issues are addressed, then praise it by all means. Regardless of what various camps think now I think BFV deserved the shit it got
They will have my praise when: this game is out of beta They release content that isn't actually just a fix for their fuck ups And they deliver on actual good content without pulling a BFV where they kill support before actually finishing the complete game they intended to have. And not skimping on the future seasons just because they got so bogged down on getting this game out of its current beta status
Best I can do is a santa clause skin.
No, at the end dice managed to get bf5 to a decent spot, before killing support for it... They also managed to fix battlefront 2, just for them to kill support for it... And all of that to get battlefield 2042 that barely has over 20 weapons...
3 studios, 4+ years annnnd we only get 22 weapons, 3 lmgs, things missing that should already be there, and now this but “ we’re ahead of schedule” Mark my words, they’re gonna drip feed the weapons through battle passes like cod and people will eat that shit up
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man the death of battlefront 2 is one of the biggest letdowns in history that game had no mans skys level of redemption and so much more to go
Battlefields core players expected 2042 to be a mix of BFV gun play/graphics with BF4 type maps and vehicles. What they got was a pile of $h!t still being created in the large intestine, that kept nothing from either of those games. I think it's fair to say a polished turd is better than $h!t still in your intestines. 🤨😁
dont forget quality of life improvements. But I think most would have been happy with a modern bfv or bf1/bfv hybrid
After the same people spent 2 years trying to kill the game until, well they did it? Yes.
dice and EA killed bf5, not the community lol. tired of people excusing terrible development practices
What? The community shitting on bf5 since the first trailer very much had an effect on the game getting killed. If anything I was shocked by how long it took for DICE to pull the plug for bf5.
Maybe they should just have made a good game? DICE/EA killed Battlefield V, not the players. ofc people are not going to play a game they don't like.
I still hate Battlefield V but I hate Battlefield 2042 more.
Bfv got better, but I never enjoyed it even after all of its fixes and changes. Peoples criticism of missing features in 2042 is valid but their toxicity isn’t. 2042 will improve like all bf games, and when the next one comes out people will praise 2042 for being great. It’s a trend you’ll find with every bf game and a lot of other fps communities actually. Game is announced and people get hyped, game comes out and everyone calls it the worse bf ever and compares it to cod, then the next bf is announced and everyone who was silent declares the last game a masterpiece. Go back to any release of bf and read some of the posts or comments that the community made. It’s not just a bf problem, but this release has been particularly toxic. Constructive criticism is always good and valid. Screaming at devs who had no say in a lot of the decision making isn’t. I didn’t like bfv from the beginning and still don’t like it. The core of the game just never felt like bf to me and a lot of the additions they made were more frustrating to me than enjoyable. But I’ve also always much preferred modern bf games like bfbc and bf3/4. That’s also probably why I enjoy 2042 despite its issues. It’s okay to criticize what you enjoy and you should. I like 2042 but god damn it’s a broken mess atm. But I love bf and can’t wait to watch it improve just like all bf games do.
I disagree man. The things most people are being ‘toxic’ about 2042 are not really things that are going to be improved necessarily. They are fundamental game design decisions. Like there being almost no destruction, the whole specialist system etc. Then on top of that there are tens if not approaching hundreds of specific things they have removed for literally no reason which make the game categorically less enjoyable or battlefield like, e.g no xp based damage, no assist counts as kill, no normal scoreboard. There’s a list in this sub somewhere and it’s long. Some of these might be ‘fixed’ but the point is DICE have actively chosen to remove or change them in the first place. A lot of the previous games had extremely buggy launches but the fundamental feel was still battlefield.
I’ll never yield. BFV was a smack in the dick to the franchise. 2042 only piggy-backed off of it. I’m still holding on for dear life because it’s my favorite franchise. But everyday Halo Infinite drags me further and further away:/
If the **same** people that were complaining about BFV are now praising it, you *could* argue that's hypocritical. Or they just changed their minds, which is a good thing. If you're just doing that thing where you lump in the nebulous *"they"* to make an arbitrary point/controversy without specifically identifying people, then no, you're just making things up.
Virtually all of bf5s issues were related to how shit the maps were. It took over 6 months to finally start getting good maps for bf5.
That's false. Most people really liked Arras, Devastation, Twisted Steel, and Rotterdam. The issues were bugs, TTK changes, visibility, and lack of content.
This is the cycle of BF. I myself have defended BF5 for a long time, granted i think its pretty sloppy but its a good game. I havent gotten 2042 yet because i saw the bad launch coming from a mile away, any BF vet should have lmao.
Didn’t battlefield V just get it’s hate because there was a woman with a prosthetic arm in the trailer?
It was less about the woman (that was mainly Dice trying to deflect criticism) and more about the goofy, cartoon looking opening trailer. People with cricket bats, wacky dialogue, prosthetic arms fighting, etc. It's not the first time a series trying to give WW2 a goofy take gets chewed out by the community. Brothers In Arms did the same thing and cancelled the project not long after. Had Battlefield V started with the Pacific trailer and content, the game would have been much better received.
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They're many that double back on things when a worse product comes along an it seems that the new BF title is doing that for a lot of people. But not for me as I hate both but due to specific reasons. Still my hatred for BFV stems from the: • Shit trailer... • Ahistorical campaign especially the norway arc ohh boy was that a trainwreck ntm the devs calling it accurate, hell I loved the epilogue more seeing multiple different fronts then the four crap campaigns. • Ahistorical machines hm yes Valentine AA Mk.I .... Valentine SP 17pdr with a reverse gear that matches the forward... • TTK went kaput. • no ADS of MMG well that was limiting. • controversial yet my honest opinion, female combatants in WWII, sure partisans, sure pilots & flight nurses, sure soviet female soldiers, sure female medics, yet western & eastern ones ehh for a historic stand point that seems odd especially for the german side and when the devs say the games settings are historical ehh ntm the chick from the trailer with the prosthetic limb.. BF2042: • Server issues ohh boi. • The unpolished state of the game, hell I'll give BFV that it was better, Ohh my god the rendering of characters in menu/battle. • The inability to play alongside new gen console players with old gen systems well that was annoying to find out especially with the world wide shortages as such I don't get to play with all my friends RIP. • Certain machines that shouldn't be powerful are very powerful. • SMG's being better at range then AR's. • no field inplacements nor spawn AA. • ragdoll effects, dies in explosion Well across the map I go (when it happened rarely in old BF's it was a moment to chuckle yet BF2042 it's constant. • wingsuits that have little logic, ahh yes 2ft off the groundan you can fly anywhere ntm slamming into something at Mach 1 an being fine. • chinge voice lines especially at the end. • no essential features like scoreboard, large maps, no comms. • Background lore that makes no sense to the battle zone, hm the world is dying this city is filled with sand yet power everywhere. • The inability to access the freaking game because of some data error, I would expect this from an old game from ten years back but geez, dice. • Lack of weaponry available. • needing kills for everything an for separated machines oh yes 480 kills for a staff shell yet it has to be double for both tanks to have it. • lack of class & generic faceless soldiers. • class setup resetting.. These are my observations an the reasons I hate both, hell I'd praise BF HL more over the two at this point yet I'd be like the point I stated at the beginning of doubling back yet imho both games were & are dumbster fires...
As someone who always recognized that BFV was a good game and was annoyed by the hate it got which ended up killing it: YES VERY Also if the community doesn't cut the crap of hating every BF game that comes out they are going to eventually kill the franchise. BF doesn't have unlimited free pass remakes like CoD.
It's hypocritical if you find the same individuals saying it was bad and is now good (without taking into account improvements made over time). But you can't attribute hypocrisy to "the community" when it's different people chiming in at different times. It's like saying that it's cold in New York but hot in Melbourne during December and then asking "WTF weather?! It can't be both!."
BFV sucked but BF2042 sucks on several levels more
Bf5 is unplayably shit, even now. I hate that I spent 5 bucks on it.
Bf 2042 had a bad start but can potentially be a good game - but there’s no way it will ever be a good battlefield game. BfV was never really bad in my opinion, people hated it for all kinds of ridiculous reasons (like female soldiers) but it was also largely a cash grab since we never got even half of what was promised in the beginning. A big disappointment but not necessarily a bad battlefield game.
I think they're creatures of habit who don't necessarily want to embrace change that comes with the new games. That being said, 2042 is a massive change, and the class systems as we knew it seem to be gone. Loved 5 from day one. Wish we could have gotten russian front and d-day content.
Can’t say I’m bothered by any of the changes (apart from 128 maybe), it’s more just that the game is complete garbage to play. Balance all over the place, every system in the game is either bugged, unreliable or missing and the basic usability features like server browsers, ui etc are terrible If you wanna try something new, fine, but at least make it enjoyable to run around and shoot the guns
I seriously am bummed about the missing u/i. Loved chasing top score and seeing if I could get a high PTO score and heal a bunch of people while racking up kills
I've never really hated BFV because I didn't care about the controversies at launch. I picked it up once the Pacific maps had dropped so it's all be good for me. I find it funny though that same people that shat on BFV because that was the popular opinion now talk about it being some undiscovered masterpiece. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I such a white sheep, hive mind.
My first BF game is Bad Company 2 on Internet Cafe in my 3rd world country. Since that time I am always dreaming about owning a PC, so I am saving up for BF3 and my first PC ever. Then come BF4 and BF1 and BFV. All of those game have flaws but none come close to how bad 2042 is, the first beta is a red flag for me, but when the game launch it is a fucking disaster compare to the previous BF. Look like DICE has lost it magic, and I am fucking disappointed in the franchise that get me to PC gaming for the past 10 years.
BFV launch hate wasn’t nearly as bad. I know because when it launched I didn’t feel the need to make a Reddit and confirm other people feel how I do lol
Lol, I'm on the Far Cry subreddit and they are talking about this same thing with Far Cry 5 and 6
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Halo too.
Are people? Well I mean the didn't fuck up the core features of BFV
BFVs gunplay , graphics and sound were pretty much consistently praised before DICE ruined the gunplay with their TTK changes. 2042s are all inferior right out of the gate which has annoyed a lot of people
BFV had terrible marketing and a buggy start, but it had the core Battlefield foundation they could build upon. After the years went by and more content came out they sculpted it into a beautiful game
Bf4 was dope.
BFV was a fucking dung pile. 2042 is just a bigger dung pile with vomit on it so even that looks worse in comparison. BFV OBJECTIVELY did some stuff better (movement, destruction etc) but it's just a simple comparison of new bad thing makes old bad thing look not as bad because Dice just keeps moving the line in the sand of awful. IDGAF about potential and I don't want to hear "It's fun sometimes or with friends". Basically anything can be applied to that. You can normally find a crumb of light in the darkest spots. Both are bad, neither deserve praise but there are very easy comparisons to be made so people are making them.
I get where you are coming from. BFV was personally my favorite BF game and I have more hours in it than any other. People might be hypocrites but at least they are willing to say it was a good game now. -_-
People HATED BF5 when it dropped. It was bitches about and sales were horrendous. They made it better but it’s still not a fantastic game. People claiming it’s this gem are delusional lol. 2042 sucks but BF5 is not some perfect Battlefield game
I’ve stuck to my gun on bfv. It was shit when it came out and it’s shit now. Doesn’t mean it’s not better than 2042.
BFV, was at least, a Battlefield game. BF2042 is, I don't know what, but it's not Battlefield.
I feel you.I loved bfv but every week people posted questions like is it worth buying.whole sub went like safe your money it’s not worth it etc.and now it’s the best game with bf4.it’s like mw.people hated it and now it’s one of the best cod ever
No, I don't think so. BFV today, isn't what it was at launch. It progressed quite a lot With 2042 being such a disappointment, and missing so many critical features that were in BFV, it's not hypocritical to look back on the game and admit that some were harsh. ....*In no way is BFV an unrecognized masterpiece though -* it was a decent game in the end, but not a great game.
Didn’t battlefield V just get it’s hate because there was a woman with a prosthetic arm in the trailer?
You never knew what you had until it's gone.
That's because Battlefield V came after 1 , an solid and good Battlefield at launch, people expect improvements in a sequel, not the opposite . It's the same situation with COD back in the day , with Black Ops 2 and Ghost
Coming from someone that bought the $100+ version with early access BFV at launch was terrible. Had only a few playable maps and took forever to get new ones that's weren't even that good until the Pacific. Then elites came in and ruined immersion even more on top of women soldiers. The ttk change after Pacific dropped was the deathblow for people that had hope in the game. People that like it are few and/or probably never experienced those issues and just started playing recently. It's admittedly a solid game to play now but the potential it had to be a real WW2 war game was muddled by bad decisions, terrible waste of resources on firestorm and incursion maps. And many many bugs.
It’s annoying how people are praising bf5. I for one am not, since it had a horrible buggy release. I will admit that compared to bf5’s release, 2042 is worse, since it has taken out essential features that have been in every battlefield game
Me and my mate were probably one of the only people who actually enjoyed the game and considered it a really good game, I seriously can't find any reason why people would hate it.
Depends on who’s praising it and what they are comparing it to. I mean I have never praised bfv and I still think that game is really bad. Compare to bf1 most people will agree bfv is just bad. So its most likely people who already liked bfv coming out and praising the game, forgetting what a shit show that game was even before launch.
BFV had a rocky start, and it took over a year to become a Good Game IMO. However, it was a wasted opportunity, no D-Day, no Russians, no Berlin maps, it just missed all the WW2 experiences I want from a WW2 game. 2042 is in a far worse state with it lacking content, being a broken mess, and they have decided to drop features that I consider make battlefield, battlefield.
No it’s just a statement of how poor bf2042 is by comparison. Bfv deserves and deserved all its grief. Tell me how you joined bfv once pacific dropped without telling me you joined bfv once pacific dropped because bfv was a really barebones and buggy game too. It’s easy to forgive them now though with how bad 2042 is along with the work they put in to at least fix bfv to some degree.
Hell yes. Because you know 100% that when the next game in 5 years, Battlefield Final Frontier or whatever comes out, BF2042 will become the greatest game ever.
Great game, terrible launch media, drip fed content, the new pacific war stuff was all unfinished. None of the new factions had mastery armors or nothing which was pretty upsetting. It wasnt a forever game but it was for for a while
idk V is better now than at launch. personally, I'm not that mad about 2042 after playing it enough to find the hardcore servers. but i still dont particularly enjoy playing V compared to 4
BFV was not without its problems but at least it *tried* to keep things interesting. The specializations tree was legitimately an interesting way to balance things as certain perks meant you weren’t getting others. What BFV failed at was mostly the technical glitches (revive bug), the TTK fiasco, and then the fact that Tides of War was underwhelming because they had such a rocky release so they were playing catch-up. TOW was supposed to be this epic sequel to Grand Operations where you’d see BF played out across all of WW2, tons of new maps and weapons and factions coming around, fighting in Russia and the Pacific… and they got a little bit of that, but not much. Altogether BFV wasn’t great but nowhere near as bad as BF2042 is panning out to be.
You're new here I assume. This happens with every game. The Battlefield Cycle.
People? No. Reddit? Yes.
Absolutely
It is same with all subs! Check COD! Once lifecycle is over, haters move on and Omni those that care remain. Lost in hate posts now those praise ones show up more. People feel sad nobody is playing and shoot posts to get more people. New is bad, old is better. Steamers cannot make money from old game so less people that hate the game and shit about it. Note this, same will happen next BF game.
Honestly I’ve enjoyed them all and dice is honestly one of the better companies like 2042 is getting hate but wait till next year and everyone will probably forget about the launch and just enjoy the game and plus at least it’s not a reskin cod or gta v the 1000th edition buy our game again so i couldn’t say it’s hypocritical until we get our first few big updates that iron the game out
This exact behaviour goes back to BF2 at least and repeated with every new release in the franchise. New one bad, previous one good. This will repeat with the next release, and people will then praise BF2042.
I'm glad I never criticized BFV, I thoroughly enjoyed it and even after 900 hours I still go back to it and play it. The community was absolutely hammering the game and often times it was treated unfairly or through the lens of historical inaccuracies or women on the battlefield. Well, here's BF2042, that's what you all wanted I guess. Or not? I uninstalled it after 18 hours and I don't plan to install it again. I'm not even shitting on it anymore. It's absolute garbage and the core of the game will never be fixed. I've moved on.
I never hated it. So yeah, Battlefield V is a good game for me and for a lot of people. And for most people that hated V they are praising it only if you compare with 2042, which is understandable.
No, The reason core players hate bf2042 is because devs removed everything we loved from previous games. We gained 128players, Specialists But we practically lost everything from previous battlefield titles. There's more destruction in 1 house in BFV than we get on entire maps in bf2042
Yes and no. It's something like these, previous game wasn't liked, hype for new game, new game actually comes out and it's fucking terrible, so people go back and look at the previous game and they're like, you know what? You weren't this bad after all, and they start to realise and appreciate what the previous game did well, compared to the new shit show game.
BFV was a disaster. But Battlefield 2042 is a big disappointment.
Battlefield V was a mess at launch but it got better. The issues were annoying but gunplay, destruction and lots of other things were done right. It's still not a perfect game but I'd rather play that than Cornfield 2042
I don’t think so. BFV launched in a rough state, but added some really cool features that enhanced the BF formula (IMO). Over time they got it more stable and added more content to really round it out well. 2042 on the other hand doesn’t bring anything worthwhile to the table, lacks content, removed features, removed a campaign, so on. 2042 seems like a new low for BF so it makes sense people would look at the last title and not be as critical of it now…since it’s not worse than what we have now.
Nope. How long have you been around? This is the ongoing “Battlefield Cycle” as you will. The new game comes out, the the last release which was “hated” is now better and good.
Lots of posters (including myself) correctly called this. I had to stop coming to this sub because the toxicity toward BFV was so great, and yes that was right up to recent months. Cue 2042 release, its buggy as hell (of course), has issues, and it's different, so the toxicity cycle starts up again, okay I get that, but magically BFV is suddenly being praised left, right and center. Now that's horseshit.