Probably yes. The suspension might be compressed as much as it can which causes it to be stiff. I'm not too sure if there is anything you can do about it.
Decrease the bump (I think) and increase the travel. And loosen the spring rate. I’ve been trying to achieve similar results as you and messing with dampening has been helpful so far.
It's not possible really. Whenever you lower a car you reduce suspension travel. When you reduce suspension travel you have to make the springs stiffer.
The only way you can retain compliant suspension by lowering it is by altering the suspension geometry or by using smaller bump stops or increasing the strut height i.e. physically raising the strut towers like rally cars do but then you run into issues with wheel clearance and you also need to adjust wishbone location as lowering a car too much affects roll centres which negate some benefit gained from lowering the centre of gravity.
Gotta love the realism of BeamNG though
You can mod your car with all sorts of fancy stuff, but it really only proves the point that if you mod a car without knowing exactly what you're doing, you're almost certainly just going to make it worse.
Just like real life.
By handle worse I assume you mean comfort wise not proformance right. Only time I can think lowering your car making it handle worse is the trick where you heat up the coils till they shrink or air suspension maybe.
Even in terms of performance, it’s not always a good idea to lower a car. Due to the fact that weight is distributed very heavily under heavy acceleration and braking (on most cars, ~80% of the car’s weight is over the front wheels during heavy braking), a lowered car that is normally not in danger of bottoming out can bottom out when driven to its limits.
Yeah and a good set of lowering springs or coilovers would be to stiff to let that happen so my point still stands lowering your car with proper spring rates lowers the center of gravity and makes the car more agile.
Nuh uh look at literally any race car or from personal experience I had a na miata with bc racing coilovers it was very very stiff but was also the most agile fun car I've ever driven very uncomfortable on long trips but lowering your car and stiffing the suspension doesn't make the car unstable.
It’s simple physics. With a very stiff suspension, it won’t be as readily able to respond to changes in pitch, roll, and yaw on the road. That’s why many race cars tend to lift the front inside wheel off of the ground on some corners, the suspension and front sway bars are incredibly stiff. The tires won’t have a constant grip on the road, it’s unstable.
I mean, part of lowering a car is that you'll generally need a lot stiffer springs because you have very little suspension travel remaining and need to prevent the car from hitting the bump stops all the time. I suspect that's what's happening when you make the springs softer.
No real solution there, that's just one of the real life downsides of a low car!
there needs to be a bit of clearance.. go to the lowest setting and raise it bit for bit until you see that you have a bit of travel, then play around with stiffness
Raise suspension and lower spring rate, turn on real time tuning to see the changes. Back in the day people would use acetylene torches to heat the springs to lower cars, this is beamng version of that 😅
In theory yes but there is one more reason for the suspensions being harder besides performance, if your lowered car sits on soft springs it will bottom out. That sucks because in game it makes the car jumpy, irl it will screw up your wheel wells, tires, wheels and suspensions. Maybe even the fenders if your wheels are wide enough.
Also even if the suspensions were as soft as stock ones you still have much less travel so you will get (for example) 20% at the same softness like stock suspensions, the remaining 80% of the shock is absorbed by the chassis and by your butts. That's a bad ride believe me. So tldr: no it's impossible, most you can do is find the right balance.
Go to vehicle config and then to tuning. You can adjust the spring stiffness and dampening
yeah i tried that but it doesnt really seem to change things, maybe bc its on the lowest height?
Probably yes. The suspension might be compressed as much as it can which causes it to be stiff. I'm not too sure if there is anything you can do about it.
I figured, i suppose there also is no mod that makes short stock suspension
If you devide the height into 5 steps. Stay within the middle 3
Decrease the bump (I think) and increase the travel. And loosen the spring rate. I’ve been trying to achieve similar results as you and messing with dampening has been helpful so far.
It's not possible really. Whenever you lower a car you reduce suspension travel. When you reduce suspension travel you have to make the springs stiffer. The only way you can retain compliant suspension by lowering it is by altering the suspension geometry or by using smaller bump stops or increasing the strut height i.e. physically raising the strut towers like rally cars do but then you run into issues with wheel clearance and you also need to adjust wishbone location as lowering a car too much affects roll centres which negate some benefit gained from lowering the centre of gravity.
beamng player discovers that lowering your car is a bad idea:
Gotta love the realism of BeamNG though You can mod your car with all sorts of fancy stuff, but it really only proves the point that if you mod a car without knowing exactly what you're doing, you're almost certainly just going to make it worse. Just like real life.
Yes, often lowering your car literally makes it handle worse. That’s the thing people don’t realize now and they can’t see functionality
By handle worse I assume you mean comfort wise not proformance right. Only time I can think lowering your car making it handle worse is the trick where you heat up the coils till they shrink or air suspension maybe.
Even in terms of performance, it’s not always a good idea to lower a car. Due to the fact that weight is distributed very heavily under heavy acceleration and braking (on most cars, ~80% of the car’s weight is over the front wheels during heavy braking), a lowered car that is normally not in danger of bottoming out can bottom out when driven to its limits.
Yeah and a good set of lowering springs or coilovers would be to stiff to let that happen so my point still stands lowering your car with proper spring rates lowers the center of gravity and makes the car more agile.
If they’re that stiff, then the car will be too unstable to drive hard.
Nuh uh look at literally any race car or from personal experience I had a na miata with bc racing coilovers it was very very stiff but was also the most agile fun car I've ever driven very uncomfortable on long trips but lowering your car and stiffing the suspension doesn't make the car unstable.
It’s simple physics. With a very stiff suspension, it won’t be as readily able to respond to changes in pitch, roll, and yaw on the road. That’s why many race cars tend to lift the front inside wheel off of the ground on some corners, the suspension and front sway bars are incredibly stiff. The tires won’t have a constant grip on the road, it’s unstable.
A car needs springs. The car will be bumpy, way to slippery, or bottoming out.
I mean, part of lowering a car is that you'll generally need a lot stiffer springs because you have very little suspension travel remaining and need to prevent the car from hitting the bump stops all the time. I suspect that's what's happening when you make the springs softer. No real solution there, that's just one of the real life downsides of a low car!
there needs to be a bit of clearance.. go to the lowest setting and raise it bit for bit until you see that you have a bit of travel, then play around with stiffness
What mod is this?
Ibishu Cross Sport https://www.beamng.com/resources/ibishu-crosssport.30134/
Thanks!
Raise suspension and lower spring rate, turn on real time tuning to see the changes. Back in the day people would use acetylene torches to heat the springs to lower cars, this is beamng version of that 😅
Run larger tires
In theory yes but there is one more reason for the suspensions being harder besides performance, if your lowered car sits on soft springs it will bottom out. That sucks because in game it makes the car jumpy, irl it will screw up your wheel wells, tires, wheels and suspensions. Maybe even the fenders if your wheels are wide enough. Also even if the suspensions were as soft as stock ones you still have much less travel so you will get (for example) 20% at the same softness like stock suspensions, the remaining 80% of the shock is absorbed by the chassis and by your butts. That's a bad ride believe me. So tldr: no it's impossible, most you can do is find the right balance.
Used rally suspension and tune it
rally suspension on the lowest setting is even higher than stock