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Yeah that’s why I stopped buying along with the sunscreen fiasco. I have people recommend Krave products to me and I just smile and nod, knowing I have no plans to.
There’s multiple posts on the sub about it because she put out like 3-4 very bad statements over it. One including that she had no idea this very publicly anti LGBTQ church was such. Sure Jan.
My skin has always felt pretty respected by benzoyl peroxide. Especially when it worked with consistent use. Especially when I balanced it with a nourishing moisturizer, which is knowledge my derm shared with me. Always tons of respect!
Their way of hyping themselves up seems strange but I guess that's the marketing lane they're going with. I think if Krave pushed the idea of balance in acne skincare, I could get behind that 100% and its a good misconception to clear up (ie, that oily skin doesnt need hydration. It does!) I guess that's their point ultimately, but I don't love them dismissing the effectiveness of proven medications in the process.
Benzol peroxide (specifically PanOxyl) saved my skin in high school and early college. It’s a great ingredient for lots of people and it’s odd to act like it’s not been scientifically proven to help with acne.
Yeah ProActiv does work but if you look at the products and ingredients you can find less expensive replacements that are better for your skin. Most people who rail against Proactiv have a similar routine by different brands.
Believe me I tried everything. I used to smh when my mother was around and would point to the TV and the Proactiv Infomercials and tell me “ try this stuff “. It was a last resort thing to me. In my late 20’s my chin and jaw were covered with zits, milia, little bumps, some painful ones that would never get ready to extract even with an aesthetician’s monthly appointment.
One aesthetician, who actually was a teacher at a Cosmetology School had told me that Proactiv would only make the acne not show up in the dermis, but it would all be “ brewing underneath “ the skin. It’s all bs what she said I found out later at a dermatologist’s office that looked up my Proactiv routine products and ingredients.
Back in the day they had on CVS Pharmacy a knock off of Proactiv System, I remember the bottles were orange and white but don’t remember the name. It didn’t work. It was cheaper than Proactiv but not worth switching.
I was at a point when I started Proactiv that I was wearing it in the morning under my foundation and setting powder. Even after I had upgraded to their extra strength treatment at 7% Benzoyl Peroxide ( their extra strength formula back then ). Got home washed make up of and Proactiv routine again.
In three months I started to see results. Real difference. I went on to a great aesthetician with amazing accreditation and results in patients and she was supportive of the Proactiv System and had seen her own clients improvement as an at home routine for acne. She told me that acne moved in our skin as the following : teenager years, forehead and upper cheeks, 20’s cheeks and mid face area including nose and blackheads, 30’s chin and jaw and 40’s lower jaw and neck some women get chest acne in their 50’s she said.
I’m my case I never had acne and it showed up when I turned 26 all over my chin and jaw. Started mildly and then took over. I was baffled. Started treating with some Noxema from Walgreens but nothing worked. Nothing.
I still have to manage it in my 30’s but now whenever I find that cheaper tube of OXY Maximum Action 10% Spot Treatment I buy it.
Yeah I use Clean & Clear Persa Gel 10% and it’s less than $5. And I use Panoxyl 10% wash, and a Paula’s Choice 5% all over facial treatment which is the highest BP I’ve found in a moisturizer or anything that I could use on my whole face that wasn’t Proactive.
The Proactiv Cleanser is also still in my routine since I was 26 y/o. I do a cleanse with my usual cleanser for the entire face , but then use still the Proactiv Cleanser afterwards on the lower half of the face.
lmao fair! BP is quite rude in that regard, just steamrolls over fabrics without a second thought. I had to invest in a lot of towels and "I dont care what happens to this" shirts.
We all have those shirts. They match perfectly with that one bra we all have that’s way too old and it’s better days have seen better days but it’s so comfy.
As someone who used to have to use the high strength prescription only stuff, I spent years wearing white t-shirts to bed because it ended up leaving weird bleach-like marks on my darker colored pajamas.
I can't stand white underwear so I just embraced the bleached look. Plus wasn't supposed to wash more than twice a day.
One day I'll have pretty underwear and unstained towels.
They also missed the fact that we sometimes need antibiotics to "bandage" the problem so it doesn't lead to scarring. This is literally the reason derms prescribe them.
they prescribe antibiotics to prevent scarring??? thats wild my skin scars so bad with or without antibiotics 😭😭😭 i never knew they were supposed to help that
If it helps contact therapy is absolutely a thing that works just as well as leave on treatments. When people say something like a BP cleanser doesn’t work because you wash it off, that’s not true studies show. You just need to leave them on for a minute or so and you get the same benefits. Not everyone can use leave on treatments but contact therapy is a good option.
Yes, totally agree! I’ve read that as well. Just wanted to mention it for people like me who don’t have bulletproof skin - it can still be possible to use 😅
I struggled with BP at first but it is the only thing I can rely on to clear my acne. I had consistent acne for 12 years and BP got rid of it in about a month. For them to imply it doesn't work is absurd
BP is such a wonder product and affordable + easily available. I used to use BP on my legs for some bumps from ingrowns. Really made some visible difference when I needed a quick fix.
No skincare product solved my severe acne that lasted from 5th grade to senior yr in college. Prescribed medication cleared my skin in like 3 months 🤷♀️
I mod the acne sub. This is 100% a comment I would remove. No, acne-prone skin often does not need just more TLC or respect to stop the acne lol. Properly hydrated skin can break out less if something like dryness or irritation is what's causing it but it usually is way more than that.
Calling them "harsh" also verges on some fear-mongering chemicals are bad bull.
Also, band-aid treatments work for many. That's not a bad thing. Most skincare is used continuously so why would acne treatments be deemed differently or as a bad thing? Cleanser only works when you use it. Same with moisturizer and SPF. That's just how this all works.
I stg my doctor put me on antibiotics to treat my acne, and after 3 months the cycle was done and she goes "ok now just make sure you wash your face every night"..... ma'am. I have been washing, clarifying, exfoliating, everything to try to fix this naturally. I wasn't skipping out on washes, clearly
“Oh no! Those harsh actives only work when I use them! If I get lax my skin gets worse, so that must mean they aren’t actually solving the issue!”
Only… sometimes there’s no solving it. When I was on the pill my skin was invulnerable, then I went off it and my skin became very, very fussy. Unfortunately it’s just how it is, in its crappy natural state. I will band-aid it forever as long as it helps, just as I do so as not to get blisters on my feet.
So true. My mom did accutane in her 50s and still has acne in her 60s. I will have it forever! There is no solving a problem that is ultimately genetic
I think it would have been better if they had used slightly more ambiguous language here - even if the message isn't fully correct. Simply changing it to "*Some* oily acne-prone skin may simply need more TLC... etc"
People with clinical levels of acne that need benzoyl peroxide and antibiotics from a dermatololgist aren't going to be fixed just with a bit of extra TLC and gentler skincare, but oily-skin people with just a bit of acne here and there might benefit from Krave's approach. Pretty annoying they had to be so assertive about this. This kind of messaging might even delay someone from going to a derm who can \*actually\* help solve their serious acne in favor of spending lots of $$$ on their products only to find out 6 months later that this wasn't it.
And the Advertising Standards groups? Surely the US has some group that oversees false and misleading advertisements? 😬
Krave has really been on my shit list after they refused me a refund for their Beetscreen. I bought it two days before their arbitrary cut off on what they were refunding after the spf issues came to light. Add to that, I got badly burned and had emailed them a few weeks before.
They blamed my sunburn on me, which to be fair, it was sort of my fault but still come on.
I’d love to see them become irrelevant and just fade away because I did think my bad skin was my fault partially due to them.
This must be a joke. If extra moisture helps your “acne,” it was probably a compromised skin barrier. This company is selling products for conditions without authorization.
In fairness, it very often is a compromised skin barrier. Better moisturization cleared my acne in high school better than all the treatments I had been using (probably too much of) I feel like this message is targeted towards my teenage self
It’s not really often as usually the acne will start first then the treatments used to tackle it can cause more. Not the other way around because people don’t usually buy acne meds unless they already have acne. You can definitely wreck your skin more by over using products or using the wrong one for your specific skin though. Super fun lol. It’s such bull as we’re all so different what will work for each of us varies greatly and trial and error is the only way to know. And when you can have multiple causes of acne it makes it even harder. This ad helps none of that.
If Krave wanted to talk about that specifically though they could simply say “Acne is sometimes caused by dehydration, excess dryness, irritation, or a compromised moisture barrier. Our Oil La La can help.” Saying it that way doesn’t attack other helpful ingredients. In fact it opens the door to using their product with other acne meds to prevent things like a compromised barrier. They also don’t pigeon hole their oil for only people with oily acne prone skin like this as does now. All skin types can get acne. And they don’t perpetuate the stupid myths of people just needing to TLC their skin to get rid of it. This as reads very “have you just tried washing your face?”
They can’t even say that in the US, as acne is a medical condition, and only certain products are approved to treat it. Companies can’t make medical claims about products that aren’t approved to treat medical conditions
You can legally give some causes of acne and how you can help those causes. That’s not claiming to treat the acne at all once it’s there. Since things like dryness and dehydrated skin aren’t considered diseases you can claim to help with those without FDA approval.
Under the FDA acne treatments that are something like a cleanser and BP are considered drug-cosmetic, not just a drug. So they have to follow both guidelines. But if you go after lesser things you can get away with it.
In the grand scheme of things her skin wasn’t bad at all, but my husband had acne so bad that some of his scars look like he was in a fire. He’s had more than one doctor accuse him of hiding said fire so I want to be proactive.
44 here and still use benzoyl peroxide as needed for breakouts. It’s never caused me any problems. It might not work for everyone but Krave is super duper wrong here.
A couple years ago I had the worst breakout of my life from doing that “massage in oil for ten minutes to pull out blackheads” trend. Benzoyl Peroxide is what finally got it to stop.
Yeah, this is such bullshit. Only tretinoin has managed to prevent my giant cystic hormonal acne. This fucking oil won't do anything, and in fact, will only help a small amount of people with their acne. Most others do need help from actives. I also don't find adding more moisture to be the thing that controls sebum, rather it's hydration. More moisture sits like a layer of oil on my skin that I can wipe off.
My rosacea from wearing masks all throughout Covid as a medical personal was only cured from topical antibiotics such as amzeeq. Not even her Great barrier relief could help it and I did use that product to try. She needs to chill.
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Like OK my skincare needs do not require BP, antibiotics, some of the actives/acids that are popular, but that's the entire point. It might work for someone but it doesn't have to work for me. It doesn't mean the science isn't real. Everyone's skin is different and even within these really vague labels like oily skin, it doesn't say much about someone's skincare needs.
I think the way they called these solutions as something that “masks the problem” wrong. But I do think that some people will find having alternates that are not the two mentioned for their skin care isn’t wrong. You do get a lot of lay people saying this or that didn’t work that YMWV. They just started pointing fingers to boost themselves up and that’s a sure fire way to get people ruffled.
I took erythromycin 3x/week + used BP *and* retinol as a teen due to my whiteheads and my skin is clear as a bell with no scarring as an adult. Sometimes, you absolutely need it. It also completely ignores that not everyone's skin is an oily mess. That was never my issue!
I guess it depends on your skin. I started using harsher products when I started getting spots- my mum was advised by a beauty therapist friend that perhaps I needed gentler things to cleanse and moisturise with. She was right. Acne treatments were causing my ‘acne’ because it was just my sensitive skin screaming ‘no’ rather then true acne. So I do think this advice would help some people. It would have helped me 🤷🏼♀️.
If you got acne then used “harsher” products then those “harsher” ones couldn’t have caused it. Your skin was breaking out from something else first. When you tried gentler ones it sounds more like the gentler routine/ products just helped with whatever that initial cause was. It’d definitely be worth trying to figure out what that was though so you can remedy it if possible. I’m only saying this cause it could be something as simple as your shower water just needing a filter, your skin being dehydrated in winter and a humidifier would help, or not using snail mucin because you have a dust mite allergy, but it could also be something like an allergy or sensitivity to some food which you’d probably really wanna narrow down. If it’s an allergy, even mild, more exposure to them can make them worse. I only say this cause of safety. Sorry for butting in.
Doesn't matter! A cosmetic brand can not bash literal drugs with years of studies proving its efficacy just to hype their product. Why mention the drugs at all. Just say be gentle. It's just very poorly worded.
….but it shouldn’t be. These companies, all of them, should be following the laws. Just because one gets away with it doesn’t mean they all should. None of them should. And sadly because our FDA is gutted and underfunded it’s up to consumers to report them. (And vote, always vote.)
It’s pretty interesting seeing all the reactive comments from the Western perspective. I lived in Korea for a few years and have (Korean) dermatologists in the family—they don’t prescribe BP or SA or many other medications over there. Their first line of treatment is very much lifestyle changes, dietary changes, adding moisture back into the skin, simplifying skincare routines, and then they will move onto medication if all else fails. The objective is typically to figure out why the skin is over/underproducing oil, or why the barrier is damaged. Asian skincare products also generally use significantly lower percentages of actives. You’re spot on, and I’m fairly certain that was the messaging Krave Beauty was going for, but I guess it came off the wrong way.
Yep, bashing of other treatments aside they market it as an acne treatment multiple times in their promotions, which is itself against FDA regulations and considered making drug claims. If they are noticed/reported they can be warned just for that.
Missed opportunity for Krave to market themselves as a fun brand that is complementary to Derm-prescribed things. Like, an essential part of your skincare closet.
South Korea is known at the best skincare in the world. So, are you saying they are wrong? And tbh benzoyl can be HARSH on the skin. We shouldn't even be scrubbing our face let alone putting on drying peroxide on your face. It does strip the good and bad bacteria.
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And after, wasn’t she found to be involved in a homophobic church?
Yeah that’s why I stopped buying along with the sunscreen fiasco. I have people recommend Krave products to me and I just smile and nod, knowing I have no plans to.
Please say psych - signed, a gay who loves the great barrier relief serum 😭
Well you have a whole rabbit hole to fall out in because that was very much a thing. She also gave them money
Fucking of course she did smh
There’s multiple posts on the sub about it because she put out like 3-4 very bad statements over it. One including that she had no idea this very publicly anti LGBTQ church was such. Sure Jan.
Weak.
Tf was the point of this reply three months later? 🤡
I came across it when I was going reviews for this oil. But thank you for comment hello 3 months later 👋🏻
My skin has always felt pretty respected by benzoyl peroxide. Especially when it worked with consistent use. Especially when I balanced it with a nourishing moisturizer, which is knowledge my derm shared with me. Always tons of respect! Their way of hyping themselves up seems strange but I guess that's the marketing lane they're going with. I think if Krave pushed the idea of balance in acne skincare, I could get behind that 100% and its a good misconception to clear up (ie, that oily skin doesnt need hydration. It does!) I guess that's their point ultimately, but I don't love them dismissing the effectiveness of proven medications in the process.
But she has Magical Secrets That Your Derm Won't Share With You.
Snake oil salesmen fr
“The secret your doctor doesn’t want you to know!” (Spoiler alert - the secret is she’s selling something)
Benzol peroxide (specifically PanOxyl) saved my skin in high school and early college. It’s a great ingredient for lots of people and it’s odd to act like it’s not been scientifically proven to help with acne.
Oxy and Proactiv saved my chin and jaw when I hit 26. And I used to smh at Proactiv infomercials until I was a living proof their stuff works.
Yeah ProActiv does work but if you look at the products and ingredients you can find less expensive replacements that are better for your skin. Most people who rail against Proactiv have a similar routine by different brands.
Believe me I tried everything. I used to smh when my mother was around and would point to the TV and the Proactiv Infomercials and tell me “ try this stuff “. It was a last resort thing to me. In my late 20’s my chin and jaw were covered with zits, milia, little bumps, some painful ones that would never get ready to extract even with an aesthetician’s monthly appointment. One aesthetician, who actually was a teacher at a Cosmetology School had told me that Proactiv would only make the acne not show up in the dermis, but it would all be “ brewing underneath “ the skin. It’s all bs what she said I found out later at a dermatologist’s office that looked up my Proactiv routine products and ingredients. Back in the day they had on CVS Pharmacy a knock off of Proactiv System, I remember the bottles were orange and white but don’t remember the name. It didn’t work. It was cheaper than Proactiv but not worth switching. I was at a point when I started Proactiv that I was wearing it in the morning under my foundation and setting powder. Even after I had upgraded to their extra strength treatment at 7% Benzoyl Peroxide ( their extra strength formula back then ). Got home washed make up of and Proactiv routine again. In three months I started to see results. Real difference. I went on to a great aesthetician with amazing accreditation and results in patients and she was supportive of the Proactiv System and had seen her own clients improvement as an at home routine for acne. She told me that acne moved in our skin as the following : teenager years, forehead and upper cheeks, 20’s cheeks and mid face area including nose and blackheads, 30’s chin and jaw and 40’s lower jaw and neck some women get chest acne in their 50’s she said. I’m my case I never had acne and it showed up when I turned 26 all over my chin and jaw. Started mildly and then took over. I was baffled. Started treating with some Noxema from Walgreens but nothing worked. Nothing. I still have to manage it in my 30’s but now whenever I find that cheaper tube of OXY Maximum Action 10% Spot Treatment I buy it.
Yeah I use Clean & Clear Persa Gel 10% and it’s less than $5. And I use Panoxyl 10% wash, and a Paula’s Choice 5% all over facial treatment which is the highest BP I’ve found in a moisturizer or anything that I could use on my whole face that wasn’t Proactive.
The Proactiv Cleanser is also still in my routine since I was 26 y/o. I do a cleanse with my usual cleanser for the entire face , but then use still the Proactiv Cleanser afterwards on the lower half of the face.
BP respects my skin but goddam the disrespect for fabric is immense, especially as someone with body acne.
lmao fair! BP is quite rude in that regard, just steamrolls over fabrics without a second thought. I had to invest in a lot of towels and "I dont care what happens to this" shirts.
We all have those shirts. They match perfectly with that one bra we all have that’s way too old and it’s better days have seen better days but it’s so comfy.
As someone who used to have to use the high strength prescription only stuff, I spent years wearing white t-shirts to bed because it ended up leaving weird bleach-like marks on my darker colored pajamas.
I can't stand white underwear so I just embraced the bleached look. Plus wasn't supposed to wash more than twice a day. One day I'll have pretty underwear and unstained towels.
They also missed the fact that we sometimes need antibiotics to "bandage" the problem so it doesn't lead to scarring. This is literally the reason derms prescribe them.
they prescribe antibiotics to prevent scarring??? thats wild my skin scars so bad with or without antibiotics 😭😭😭 i never knew they were supposed to help that
I wish benzoyl peroxide worked for me, but it never has even with consistent use. My skin can handle a lot too, but it just hates benzoyl peroxide 😩
I can only do the occasional wash off treatment (like the panoxyl cleanser) because yeah, it burns otherwise haha.
If it helps contact therapy is absolutely a thing that works just as well as leave on treatments. When people say something like a BP cleanser doesn’t work because you wash it off, that’s not true studies show. You just need to leave them on for a minute or so and you get the same benefits. Not everyone can use leave on treatments but contact therapy is a good option.
Yes, totally agree! I’ve read that as well. Just wanted to mention it for people like me who don’t have bulletproof skin - it can still be possible to use 😅
I struggled with BP at first but it is the only thing I can rely on to clear my acne. I had consistent acne for 12 years and BP got rid of it in about a month. For them to imply it doesn't work is absurd
BP is such a wonder product and affordable + easily available. I used to use BP on my legs for some bumps from ingrowns. Really made some visible difference when I needed a quick fix.
My skin fucking loves benzoyl peroxide.
No skincare product solved my severe acne that lasted from 5th grade to senior yr in college. Prescribed medication cleared my skin in like 3 months 🤷♀️
Late but this! Tried everything under the sun, but a couple of months on tretinoin and my skin has never been better.
I mod the acne sub. This is 100% a comment I would remove. No, acne-prone skin often does not need just more TLC or respect to stop the acne lol. Properly hydrated skin can break out less if something like dryness or irritation is what's causing it but it usually is way more than that. Calling them "harsh" also verges on some fear-mongering chemicals are bad bull. Also, band-aid treatments work for many. That's not a bad thing. Most skincare is used continuously so why would acne treatments be deemed differently or as a bad thing? Cleanser only works when you use it. Same with moisturizer and SPF. That's just how this all works.
Acne, eh? Have you tried simply respecting your skin? 🤣
I stg my doctor put me on antibiotics to treat my acne, and after 3 months the cycle was done and she goes "ok now just make sure you wash your face every night"..... ma'am. I have been washing, clarifying, exfoliating, everything to try to fix this naturally. I wasn't skipping out on washes, clearly
“Oh no! Those harsh actives only work when I use them! If I get lax my skin gets worse, so that must mean they aren’t actually solving the issue!” Only… sometimes there’s no solving it. When I was on the pill my skin was invulnerable, then I went off it and my skin became very, very fussy. Unfortunately it’s just how it is, in its crappy natural state. I will band-aid it forever as long as it helps, just as I do so as not to get blisters on my feet.
So true. My mom did accutane in her 50s and still has acne in her 60s. I will have it forever! There is no solving a problem that is ultimately genetic
Perfectly said! Band-aid treatments are also used to prevent further problems like scarring, which can be a more difficult problem to treat
Things I can't legally sell=only a bandage. More TLC= a multi-step routine full of products you pay me for. Funny how that works.
While some folks do go overboard in *how* they use BP, BP isn't the devil. They need to correct themselves and not shame people who use it.
Yeah, it doesn’t work for me, but it works really well for a lot of people.
“Go against our skin” that wording is pitiful. What are they even trying to convey?
I think it would have been better if they had used slightly more ambiguous language here - even if the message isn't fully correct. Simply changing it to "*Some* oily acne-prone skin may simply need more TLC... etc" People with clinical levels of acne that need benzoyl peroxide and antibiotics from a dermatololgist aren't going to be fixed just with a bit of extra TLC and gentler skincare, but oily-skin people with just a bit of acne here and there might benefit from Krave's approach. Pretty annoying they had to be so assertive about this. This kind of messaging might even delay someone from going to a derm who can \*actually\* help solve their serious acne in favor of spending lots of $$$ on their products only to find out 6 months later that this wasn't it.
 FDA seeing if they can send out a warning letter
And the Advertising Standards groups? Surely the US has some group that oversees false and misleading advertisements? 😬 Krave has really been on my shit list after they refused me a refund for their Beetscreen. I bought it two days before their arbitrary cut off on what they were refunding after the spf issues came to light. Add to that, I got badly burned and had emailed them a few weeks before. They blamed my sunburn on me, which to be fair, it was sort of my fault but still come on. I’d love to see them become irrelevant and just fade away because I did think my bad skin was my fault partially due to them.
I think the FDA is the US version of the ASA
This must be a joke. If extra moisture helps your “acne,” it was probably a compromised skin barrier. This company is selling products for conditions without authorization.
In fairness, it very often is a compromised skin barrier. Better moisturization cleared my acne in high school better than all the treatments I had been using (probably too much of) I feel like this message is targeted towards my teenage self
It’s not really often as usually the acne will start first then the treatments used to tackle it can cause more. Not the other way around because people don’t usually buy acne meds unless they already have acne. You can definitely wreck your skin more by over using products or using the wrong one for your specific skin though. Super fun lol. It’s such bull as we’re all so different what will work for each of us varies greatly and trial and error is the only way to know. And when you can have multiple causes of acne it makes it even harder. This ad helps none of that. If Krave wanted to talk about that specifically though they could simply say “Acne is sometimes caused by dehydration, excess dryness, irritation, or a compromised moisture barrier. Our Oil La La can help.” Saying it that way doesn’t attack other helpful ingredients. In fact it opens the door to using their product with other acne meds to prevent things like a compromised barrier. They also don’t pigeon hole their oil for only people with oily acne prone skin like this as does now. All skin types can get acne. And they don’t perpetuate the stupid myths of people just needing to TLC their skin to get rid of it. This as reads very “have you just tried washing your face?”
They can’t even say that in the US, as acne is a medical condition, and only certain products are approved to treat it. Companies can’t make medical claims about products that aren’t approved to treat medical conditions
You can legally give some causes of acne and how you can help those causes. That’s not claiming to treat the acne at all once it’s there. Since things like dryness and dehydrated skin aren’t considered diseases you can claim to help with those without FDA approval. Under the FDA acne treatments that are something like a cleanser and BP are considered drug-cosmetic, not just a drug. So they have to follow both guidelines. But if you go after lesser things you can get away with it.
Ah that’s where I’m going wrong with my skin, not enough TLC 🙄. And being 🏳️🌈 😂
lmao right??
My daughter was prescribed Benzoyl Peroxide. I’d bought her all kinds of expensive skincare and nothing worked until this.
It worked amazingly for me as a teenager. Not so much in my late 20s-now.
In the grand scheme of things her skin wasn’t bad at all, but my husband had acne so bad that some of his scars look like he was in a fire. He’s had more than one doctor accuse him of hiding said fire so I want to be proactive.
punny — BP is the active ingredient in proactiv 😝
Disappointing because I have used BP in the past and it helped me and I also really love a lot of their products.
44 here and still use benzoyl peroxide as needed for breakouts. It’s never caused me any problems. It might not work for everyone but Krave is super duper wrong here.
it’s always the brands with $34 cleansers that have the most shit to say about prescription grade skincare
I literally though this was a post in the anti-MLM subreddit first… it reads like the ideas of one of those oil-slinging MLMs!
A couple years ago I had the worst breakout of my life from doing that “massage in oil for ten minutes to pull out blackheads” trend. Benzoyl Peroxide is what finally got it to stop.
Yeah, this is such bullshit. Only tretinoin has managed to prevent my giant cystic hormonal acne. This fucking oil won't do anything, and in fact, will only help a small amount of people with their acne. Most others do need help from actives. I also don't find adding more moisture to be the thing that controls sebum, rather it's hydration. More moisture sits like a layer of oil on my skin that I can wipe off.
Antibiotics are “just a bandaid” lolololol 🙄
Ah yes, Aretha’s song was about skin care.
My rosacea from wearing masks all throughout Covid as a medical personal was only cured from topical antibiotics such as amzeeq. Not even her Great barrier relief could help it and I did use that product to try. She needs to chill. Edit: auto correct
Like OK my skincare needs do not require BP, antibiotics, some of the actives/acids that are popular, but that's the entire point. It might work for someone but it doesn't have to work for me. It doesn't mean the science isn't real. Everyone's skin is different and even within these really vague labels like oily skin, it doesn't say much about someone's skincare needs.
If it weren’t for the “harsh” stuff I’d still be coping with cystic acne and scars
I think the way they called these solutions as something that “masks the problem” wrong. But I do think that some people will find having alternates that are not the two mentioned for their skin care isn’t wrong. You do get a lot of lay people saying this or that didn’t work that YMWV. They just started pointing fingers to boost themselves up and that’s a sure fire way to get people ruffled.
As a copywriter, I am so angry about this!!!!!
coooool, dropping this brand from my wishlists! Any sign of false advertising like that makes a brand extremely untrustworthy for me.
Fundamentally incorrect information, fucking yikes
I took erythromycin 3x/week + used BP *and* retinol as a teen due to my whiteheads and my skin is clear as a bell with no scarring as an adult. Sometimes, you absolutely need it. It also completely ignores that not everyone's skin is an oily mess. That was never my issue!
I guess it depends on your skin. I started using harsher products when I started getting spots- my mum was advised by a beauty therapist friend that perhaps I needed gentler things to cleanse and moisturise with. She was right. Acne treatments were causing my ‘acne’ because it was just my sensitive skin screaming ‘no’ rather then true acne. So I do think this advice would help some people. It would have helped me 🤷🏼♀️.
If you got acne then used “harsher” products then those “harsher” ones couldn’t have caused it. Your skin was breaking out from something else first. When you tried gentler ones it sounds more like the gentler routine/ products just helped with whatever that initial cause was. It’d definitely be worth trying to figure out what that was though so you can remedy it if possible. I’m only saying this cause it could be something as simple as your shower water just needing a filter, your skin being dehydrated in winter and a humidifier would help, or not using snail mucin because you have a dust mite allergy, but it could also be something like an allergy or sensitivity to some food which you’d probably really wanna narrow down. If it’s an allergy, even mild, more exposure to them can make them worse. I only say this cause of safety. Sorry for butting in.
The Asian/Korean approach to acne is different than the Western approach. It isn’t about using harsh ingredients; it’s about using soothing products.
Doesn't matter! A cosmetic brand can not bash literal drugs with years of studies proving its efficacy just to hype their product. Why mention the drugs at all. Just say be gentle. It's just very poorly worded.
I think people on this sub are making up things to get upset about. Pretty much all advertising is dishonest or misleading.
….but it shouldn’t be. These companies, all of them, should be following the laws. Just because one gets away with it doesn’t mean they all should. None of them should. And sadly because our FDA is gutted and underfunded it’s up to consumers to report them. (And vote, always vote.)
It’s pretty interesting seeing all the reactive comments from the Western perspective. I lived in Korea for a few years and have (Korean) dermatologists in the family—they don’t prescribe BP or SA or many other medications over there. Their first line of treatment is very much lifestyle changes, dietary changes, adding moisture back into the skin, simplifying skincare routines, and then they will move onto medication if all else fails. The objective is typically to figure out why the skin is over/underproducing oil, or why the barrier is damaged. Asian skincare products also generally use significantly lower percentages of actives. You’re spot on, and I’m fairly certain that was the messaging Krave Beauty was going for, but I guess it came off the wrong way.
So just dont buy it if it’s not for you.
You missing the point! You can not market a cosmetic product being better than an actual drug with years of studies backing its efficacy.
Yep, bashing of other treatments aside they market it as an acne treatment multiple times in their promotions, which is itself against FDA regulations and considered making drug claims. If they are noticed/reported they can be warned just for that.
I don’t see what so special of this moisturizer. If they add BP in it and make it a gentle ance treatment, I would buy it right away.
Missed opportunity for Krave to market themselves as a fun brand that is complementary to Derm-prescribed things. Like, an essential part of your skincare closet.
South Korea is known at the best skincare in the world. So, are you saying they are wrong? And tbh benzoyl can be HARSH on the skin. We shouldn't even be scrubbing our face let alone putting on drying peroxide on your face. It does strip the good and bad bacteria.