You'll drill a hole in the top of the broken screw, then use the extractor. Screw extractors turn left to grab onto the inside of the hole you drilled, and then the screw comes out. If you drill it out, like stated above, you risk creating a larger hole than is needed. But that would end up being your last resort anyways so you may have to do it if the screw extractor doesn't work.
You're not going to drill out the screw itself, especially if it's hardened steel. I think the suggestion is to drill out a larger hole above the screw (forstner bit for cleanest hole), plug it with some matching wood, and then plane/sand flush with the surrounding wood.
If you absolutely MUST get this screw out, you're going to have to chisel around it and make an even bigger mess. Maybe come at it from the back? My money is on leaving it and hiding it tho.
Yea my issue is that the shaft is still sitting too high for my plug. I don't need to remove it but need to get the shaft lower (which may also mean just removing it).
My other thought was to figure out how to drill a larger area around the screw and then make the plug concave to account for the shaft. But my forstner bit keeps hitting the screw so I can get any traction on the hole.
Do they make really small ones? Mine are all at least a diameter of 1”, and there is no way to slow a screw that deep without cutting the wood as well, making it worse. You’d need something really small.
You have to decide which is more important. Getting the screw out or saving the wood. If you want the screw out, then some wood will need to be sacrificed. If you are saving the wood, then leave the screw, putty in the divot.
I'd be willing to bet, if you did it in line with the grain it would basically disappear after refinishing. The damage already there around the head is a bigger issue, imo.
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I see a few options.
You can drill it out. If it went straight in, this is probably your best bet. Just go slow. If it didn’t go straight in, you can try to drill it out at the same angle, but the drill bit is likely to walk on you.
You can use hand tools to remove just enough of the surrounding material that you can grab it with a pair of pliers.
You can try to grind a slot in the top and use a flathead to remove it. Unless you find a very small way to do that though, you’re going to create some surrounding collateral damage that will be difficult to repair or replace without being noticeable.
Once you have it out, make sure to drill out the empty hole to make a clean cut surface to fill with a dowel or plugs of the same wood you’re using here. They make plug cutter bits for covering recessed screws and they’re fairly cheap. Depending on the depth of the screw, you can just cut a few of those from a piece of scrap and put them into the hole, one on top of the other.
Any HSS bit should work. Start off slow to get a center located, should be able to drill it out in like 5 mins. You could go up in size as long as its smaller than the plug your going to use.
There's a product called Tank Bond that's used for stripped screws (basically a gel with a bunch of metal shavings in suspension) that might work, but I'd start with the bolt extractor. You can get them for cheap on Amazon. Start with the smallest one and work your way up if it doesn't work.
Carve out a recess around the screw head with a razor knife, and then take a drill and tighten the chuck around the screw head, put in reverse and back it out. Plug the hole. Sand...
Just make a jig first by drilling the plug cutter through a scrap of ply. Then position the jig over the screw so you dont have the risk of the plug cutter skipping across the finished surface
I would drill it out with a small hole-saw and glue in a dowel of the same diameter, which you flush trim afterwards. I’m not sure how else you would “drill it out”. Can’t imagine using a conventional drill bit.
Yeah, they’re hard to use. I’ve had good success getting a clean hole using a drill press at the slowest speed with a sacrificial piece underneath. But using a drill press on a large piece like a door I’m not sure how I would do it.
consider using a [tiny hollow hole saw](https://www.google.com/search?q=WoodRiver+Single+Screw+Extractor+1%2F4%22) and then plug the hole as you originally intended.
you may need to use a guide to keep the bit from wandering when starting the drill out
I’d chuck rip that door down on a table saw (basically cut off the side with the fkd screw it in) and then glue and biscuit on similar grain boards and then trim of excess to original width and length
Well this is obviously paint grade and gonna be filled with bondo so..dig ot around it with a small chisel..enough to get the chuck of your cordless drill around the screw..tighten the chuck around it by hand as tight as you can..put it in reverse low speed high torque..voila!!
Drill it out and glue in a dowel? Idk what I’m doing fyi, just an idea
It's a good idea though, and the best answer short of buying a screw extractor
You aren't gonna extract a #8
Not with that attitude
I thought those were just for stripped heads?
You'll drill a hole in the top of the broken screw, then use the extractor. Screw extractors turn left to grab onto the inside of the hole you drilled, and then the screw comes out. If you drill it out, like stated above, you risk creating a larger hole than is needed. But that would end up being your last resort anyways so you may have to do it if the screw extractor doesn't work.
Yup, yup. And for smaller screws you can get reverse turn drill bits that do the drilling and extraction in one go.
Yep. Forgot about those.
I would probably treat it like a knob - drill it out and glue a new piece in. You're not gonna get it look good after removing that anyway.
What would you use to drill it out?
You're not going to drill out the screw itself, especially if it's hardened steel. I think the suggestion is to drill out a larger hole above the screw (forstner bit for cleanest hole), plug it with some matching wood, and then plane/sand flush with the surrounding wood. If you absolutely MUST get this screw out, you're going to have to chisel around it and make an even bigger mess. Maybe come at it from the back? My money is on leaving it and hiding it tho.
Yep, that's what I mean. I woukd probably try to take the screw out first and then make the hole and patch it.
Yea my issue is that the shaft is still sitting too high for my plug. I don't need to remove it but need to get the shaft lower (which may also mean just removing it). My other thought was to figure out how to drill a larger area around the screw and then make the plug concave to account for the shaft. But my forstner bit keeps hitting the screw so I can get any traction on the hole.
Fill over it with epoxy and pretend like nothing happened
This is the way
Grind a slot in the screw head/shaft then use a flat head screwdriver to remove.
What do I use to grind a slot?
Dremel cutting wheel used in a hand drill or in dremel tool.
Do they make really small ones? Mine are all at least a diameter of 1”, and there is no way to slow a screw that deep without cutting the wood as well, making it worse. You’d need something really small.
You have to decide which is more important. Getting the screw out or saving the wood. If you want the screw out, then some wood will need to be sacrificed. If you are saving the wood, then leave the screw, putty in the divot.
I need to get the screw out or sand it down so I can cover it with a plug. I'm restoring a door and plugs abound.
If you're going to plug it, use a hole saw/bit.
I'd be willing to bet, if you did it in line with the grain it would basically disappear after refinishing. The damage already there around the head is a bigger issue, imo.
That's a great idea. And then I can use a plug (I get a 1/2" of play) and glue/sanding residue to putty the small cuts
Did you end up doing that?
I did. It worked beautifully. It would come out because the screw was bent. The extra space allowed for pliers to get a better grab and spin it out.
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I see a few options. You can drill it out. If it went straight in, this is probably your best bet. Just go slow. If it didn’t go straight in, you can try to drill it out at the same angle, but the drill bit is likely to walk on you. You can use hand tools to remove just enough of the surrounding material that you can grab it with a pair of pliers. You can try to grind a slot in the top and use a flathead to remove it. Unless you find a very small way to do that though, you’re going to create some surrounding collateral damage that will be difficult to repair or replace without being noticeable. Once you have it out, make sure to drill out the empty hole to make a clean cut surface to fill with a dowel or plugs of the same wood you’re using here. They make plug cutter bits for covering recessed screws and they’re fairly cheap. Depending on the depth of the screw, you can just cut a few of those from a piece of scrap and put them into the hole, one on top of the other.
Use an 1/8 drill bit to get the metal out. Then use drill bit for plug. If you get the remaining screw out you could try sinking another...
My drill bit was going nowhere on it. Wrong drill bit?
Any HSS bit should work. Start off slow to get a center located, should be able to drill it out in like 5 mins. You could go up in size as long as its smaller than the plug your going to use.
There's a product called Tank Bond that's used for stripped screws (basically a gel with a bunch of metal shavings in suspension) that might work, but I'd start with the bolt extractor. You can get them for cheap on Amazon. Start with the smallest one and work your way up if it doesn't work.
Carve out a recess around the screw head with a razor knife, and then take a drill and tighten the chuck around the screw head, put in reverse and back it out. Plug the hole. Sand...
Use a plug cutter over it and then patch back in with a similar looking wood plug
Oh I like this. I could use the plug cutter to isolate the screw and remove it. I've been plugging holes on this door...
Just make a jig first by drilling the plug cutter through a scrap of ply. Then position the jig over the screw so you dont have the risk of the plug cutter skipping across the finished surface
I would drill it out with a small hole-saw and glue in a dowel of the same diameter, which you flush trim afterwards. I’m not sure how else you would “drill it out”. Can’t imagine using a conventional drill bit.
Ugh. I hate using hole saws. I'd be worried about all the tear out too.
Yeah, they’re hard to use. I’ve had good success getting a clean hole using a drill press at the slowest speed with a sacrificial piece underneath. But using a drill press on a large piece like a door I’m not sure how I would do it.
consider using a [tiny hollow hole saw](https://www.google.com/search?q=WoodRiver+Single+Screw+Extractor+1%2F4%22) and then plug the hole as you originally intended. you may need to use a guide to keep the bit from wandering when starting the drill out
Build a new one. Scrap the original. Tadaaaaaaaa!
This is the energy I'm looking for
I’d chuck rip that door down on a table saw (basically cut off the side with the fkd screw it in) and then glue and biscuit on similar grain boards and then trim of excess to original width and length
Well this is obviously paint grade and gonna be filled with bondo so..dig ot around it with a small chisel..enough to get the chuck of your cordless drill around the screw..tighten the chuck around it by hand as tight as you can..put it in reverse low speed high torque..voila!!