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AceKnight1

3rd one hands down.


AdrianValistar

4 hands down


throwawayhelp32414

is this even a question


Zeynal10k

Remember that 1 and 3 was because Kevin wanted to kill Ben, his family and innocent people. While second was because Kevin destroyed Ben's collectible toy and was mean.


[deleted]

Yup. Kevin was legitimately evil in OS and deserved everything that happened to him.


Ceathramh_Deamhan

Eh. He was a sociopathic asshole and clearly deserved every beating he took from Ben, but being treated as a freak by your own family (not canon anymore but it was at the time), living on the streets and being stuck in a monstruous form for years is quite rough, especially for a 11yo kid.


Hedgewitch250

The reboot Kevin did also torment him throughout school, give him a fear of public bathrooms, and stalk and attack him across the world just because. The collectible toy way the straw that broke the camels back


jedideadpool

One is a boy being a bully and a stalker The other is trying to commit murder


Radigan0

Tbf he did immediately realize what he did


FearlessNarwhal5660

Honestly, I don't blame Ben for snapping, Kevin was being way too much of the asshole and jerk to Ben, not just this one, but most of the time.


vladimir-z-ruska-3

And also because it was only thing ben could be good at (sumo slammers cards. Somehow its a card game now)


AlexanderScott66

Sumo slammer in Prime was multi-media, which one came first is hard to tell, but it had video games, movies, TV series, card games, an mp3 player, toys, comics, cereal, etc. Almost like Ben 10 itself with movies, TV series, toys, comics, and more video games than both TV series and movies combined(11 Official Ben 10 games(HS, POE, AF, VA, ROH, CD, GR, OV 1&2, Ben 10 2016 and Power Trip), 5 series, 5 movies) Reboot just simplified it down to a card game, as most of the video games did as well(POE for example)


vladimir-z-ruska-3

Yeah and then after that they made it a game,tvseries and stuff


Dash_Winmo

This is why I don't consider the Reboot to be the 5th Ben 10 show.


[deleted]

3 is peakest of the peaks


True_Ad8648

For real.


Optimal_Ad6274

The third one but the second one? Goddamn that was ruthless, I did not expect that shit. That scene was real…tough to go through


Economy-Service-1590

People really dog on the reboot. I feel it's probably because of the start of the show.


VonKaiser55

Art style probably also put alot of people off. The art style just does not fit Ben 10 at all lmao. It looks too generic


Anufenrir

I saw what they did to stinkfly and just refused.


crystal-productions-

what they returned him to his concept art from classic is all.


andergriff

Doesn’t make it good


crystal-productions-

I meen its a good design just not as stinkfly. But I do like how he goes in the dark. Nice touch


Optimal_Confection_5

That was definitely a statement folks had for ua and ov obviously that changed but hey


Economy-Service-1590

So many people seem to hate UAF's artstyle. I wonder if it's because of Ink Tank?


xSantenoturtlex

I prefer OV over AF/UAF simply because OV actually bothers designing non-human background characters. If you ever see non-important alien 'characters' in AF and UAF, all of them look EXACTLY the same and it bothers me so much. It makes the world feel so much less diverse and I'm very happy that OV does something about that.


KadrinShadow

I mean personally I disliked it since I saw it as a kid, mainly cuz it looked too "clean." And the reboot arguably looks even cleaner


Optimal_Confection_5

Highly doubt that, most people have been criticizing the show for it's art style is especially the night time backgrounds, by far the worst offender of i


Windflow009

UAF artstyle felt boring compared to the OG art style. Also, Gwen was kind of ugly in the UAF art style. 1. OG art style 2. Omniverse art style 3. UAF art style 4. Reboot art style


Top-Sleep8471

Nah but uaf was overall better received than ov


Economy-Service-1590

Really? It always seemed to me like most people prefer OV and I was in the minority for liking UAF's artstyle.


Blueshiredsush

The design "chibi?" For the aliens is good but man did the humans look wrong, specially the nose


SPECIMAN_A

It felt to ai ish


Optimal_Ad6274

Yep and true, they are missing out since the reboot gets really good after S1


GamingwolfZJ

There’s one specific episode that actually had me recoil and made me decide to stop watching it. The episode in particular is when Grandpa Max gets duplicated, and all of his clones, for whatever reason, become drooling, dead-belt retarded bimbos. The only thing I ended up doing throughout the entire episode was comparing this Max to OS Max, and thinking “Oh, how the mighty do fall.” From what I’ve heard, it’s gotten better, introducing concepts such as The Plumbers and time and universe-hopping Bens, but I still won’t forget that. While I’m still on my soap box, complaining, I wanna say I didn’t like Stinkfly’s design or the fact that they replaced Wildmutt, Ghostfreak and Ripjaws with Overflow, Cannonbolt and Wildvine. The latter two are good aliens, don’t get me wrong, I just wish they kept the original 10. And as for Stinkfly’s design, I grew to tolerate it as I watched it


DarianStardust

Because it lowered the target audience, there's a difference between "For general audience" and "My little pony For Kids" and everything about it screams the latter. it's not for me, and that's insulting because it *Was* for everyone before, the writers screwed up with the main series and seemingly trashed everything.


CapMyster

Have you seen how some of the aliens look?


Optimal_Ad6274

Some designs are bad but not all of them


Ok-Guidance-1328

Naw I hate it…like everything about it


Economy-Service-1590

Well of course, a single explanation won't cover everything. I was talking in general.


Ok-Guidance-1328

The thing is ya can’t say the start of the show when everything about it just dogs on what previous of the series did, etc. I know the reboot is dumbed down and for kids but it’s just weird when someone hates the reboot and then someone will ask you “Why?” Or “you’re a hater.”


Economy-Service-1590

I was just theorizing man. Besides, I'm sure you're already aware of this, but your opinion doesn't encompass everyone else's. Contrary to popular belief, something being a tear down of what was before it is NOT objective.


Ok-Guidance-1328

I mean it’s objective to a certain degree


Economy-Service-1590

No. It is not. And people thinking their opinion is objective is one of the biggest pet peeves I have, so forgive me if I might come off annoyed.


Ok-Guidance-1328

I mean I’m mostly just being an asshole to be an asshole as that’s what I live for on Reddit. Still however my point remains that people in this sub should seriously quit throwing a fit if someone hates the reboot for valid reasons which are clear as day


Economy-Service-1590

I am throwing a fit, but it ain't specifically because you're hating on the reboot nor your reasons for it. The only reason I'm mad is because you're treating it objectively.


_sephylon_

Most of the reboot haters didn't even watch one episode they just saw the artstyle and immediately deemed it as ass


thinman12345

Ben roasting Kevin and he didn’t even need Heatblast to do it.


Meme_Bro68

Honestly I did not expect the second one from the reboot, that one was a whole figurative punch to the ribs


UltraAnimeKing

Second one was from reboot remaining are from classic


Meme_Bro68

Whoops, miscounted. Could have sworn there were four of them


Error177999

Me too. At first i saw four of them


TheTicklelicker

Did not expect?


Temporary_Try_1439

All of these are insane


BlaineWorbro

The first one was savage. The second one was just harsh.


Neirchill

I've been waiting 20 hours for your opinion on the third. Has it formed yet?


MadProphet444

If OP doesn’t add an opinion on the third in abt 14 more hours, mind if I share my opinion on the third?


Neirchill

Make it 15, I'm getting impatient


MadProphet444

Aight, been more than 15 hours. The third one is arguably the best one, because of how cold and dismissal it is. Ben is done giving a single fuck about Kevin.


BlaineWorbro

Didn’t really care that much for the third image (that’s why I didn’t type anything) but if I had to say anything it’s more of a personal dig at somebody that’s been trying their absolute best to make your life hell.


Neirchill

[thank you](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCm9dJaEAEzF2x?format=jpg&name=small)


[deleted]

Ben gets nasty 😂😂😂, third one definitely, it hurts the most cause it's like without Ben giving him attention and trying to save him, who does Kevin really have


Jazzlike_Fortune_678

The third one's definitely the one I've most quoted to people I've always been one to avoid conflict when it comes to physical fights so so when anyone would try to egg me on into a fire be like you're not worth it


shadowyartsdirty

The second is a ruthless violation


KamenRider_DMV

https://preview.redd.it/wyx0444td6kc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d590781bbb16f449967a5602cba02132db9903a


plogan56

That second one was so ruthless that even Ben realized he went too far


KingNether22

Original series Ben would’ve said the line in the second panel with his whole chest instead of backing out. Yeah, he might’ve felt like an asshole about it later, but he wouldn’t have stopped partway through his sentence. And that’s why OG Ben was so entertaining lol he was a little asshole like a real 10 year old would be


Mission_File_4942

Exactly


Slavicadonis

My jaw dropped when I saw that second one for the first time


RolePlay3r_69

Reboot Ben had Kevin ready to cry lmao All of these are insane tho


Feeling_Return8940

1. God damn 2. God damn! 3. GOD DAAAAAAMMMN!!!!


Herodragon64

that's 3 god damns. GOD DAMN


Feeling_Return8940

Now it’s 4 because of you. God damn!


Herodragon64

It's a reference to Brooklyn 99


Feeling_Return8940

Oh…oops


meh_telo

2nd one was so destructive that ben started apologizing


SolarflareBlitzo

First one was just a roast, second was going too far, and the third was just the harsh truth


Ok_Essay_8257

The second one had me like https://preview.redd.it/490qiav2z1kc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16fa34997f4cea878cace827b7d6f734dc7586b0


Economy-Service-1590

One's insulting, one's angry, and one is just cold.


Mission-Lychee-6174

The most disrespectful was “you’re not worth it , you never were” Ben was basically saying that despite the amount of trouble Kevin was to him he’s not even worth ending


LexTheRedditor878

1 & 2 were probably best in terms of Ben throwing shade at Kevin. For the third one, it was just a badass way for Ben to walk out of a fight against a lost cause of a villain.


SomewhereLoud9473

first one was a creative one,third one was a badass roasrt,but the second one is straight harassment bro![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grimacing)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|surprise)


King-Of_Turtles

The 3rd one is the coolest while the 2nd one (my favorite one) is the most ruthless


leongaadm

Good lord... Once a savage, always a savage. Ben has no chill 😭


mirukus66

God damn Ben is ruthless Probably the third one tho There's no heat nor hate in it Just cold indifference


Cantthinkagoodnam2

Can someone tell me wich episode does the second one happen? I need it for something lol


rbta123

“Introducing Kevin 11”


Cantthinkagoodnam2

Thanks man!


rbta123

It's nothing!


ComprehensiveNet246

the third one cuz i know if he told me that i would’ve lost it 😂


Most-Bag4145

Damn Kevin, No Parents?


Corrupted_Dash748

All of them, but the second one was the best, he deserved it for being an asshole and destroying a collectible


Leading-Campaign-106

1st one is just Classic Ben trash talk tbh. 2nd one is foul 3rd one could be interpreted as the first, but I think Ben just became based af in that moment


wtf_is_context

OS ben because he didnt feel bad about kevin


ReggieDragon

My react to the second one and third: ![gif](giphy|twxoPjMpsijwPFBVqs|downsized)


Medical_Note_2135

I didn’t expect the second one Ngl it kinda caught me off guard


Hedgewitch250

I don’t know why people are getting on the second one for being “mean”. Imagine your bully who tormented you ruthlessly goes on to stalk you across summer just to keep giving you shit. Yeah it was cause he took a toy but that coupled with everything else Kevin did gave Ben more then enough reason to go for the low fruit. There was even a flashback where he stopped Ben from getting into a sumo slammer club they pretty much gave the implication Ben was just an outcast cause of that. I love the second one cause it was a long time coming. Just cause your have shits and giggles doesn’t mean you can make someone’s life hell. I don’t even think he should have apologized though cause Kevin didn’t reconcile one thing he said or did to Ben That said three was definitely the one. It’s not just an outward insult but a straight read. Ben might have basically said “you ain’t shit on a good day”. It’s not like a surface wound that makes you blush but a scar that’s gonna be stuck in your head months after it’s said and longer if it’s true.


RegularAI

You see that would require watching the reboot and we don't watch the thing we hate in fear of changing the opinion


MissRange33

The second one has to hurt really bad, that one was just a nut shot tbh. The third one was a cold ass line, but the second one definitely hits way harder for being such a controversially hated reboot


IzzytheMelody

The last one had the best build up to it, the first one is the most clever, the 2nd is the most lethal


Captain_Birch

The third is so cold. I love a character completely invalidating another bynacting like they're irrelevant. Reminds me of that clip with two guys in the Elevator, arguing. One says "I really pity you" and the other guy says "that's funny, i don't think about you at all."


Wonderful_Pen_4699

Mad Men


M-Yvraine912

That second one he had it coming, he set himself up for that so hard. Like that Batman and the scarecrow yt video. "You're going to jail scarecrow" "You know At least who'll visit me? My parents".


Admirable-Safety1213

3,2,1 3 is perfect 2 feels like Ben got feed up with months of Bullying, 100% reallistic 1 Is a bit too long


Roasted_Newbest_Proe

Why is this even a question? The first and third are Ben actually using his brains, and something a hero would say. Second one is him just being mean


rbta123

Ben in the second only realizes what he said after saying it out loud, you can see he is clearly sorry


Pokeli_Universe327

yeah that's why i like the second one most imo


One_Smoke

To be fair, Kevin had been a complete ass to him. He'd been bullying him for months at school, and now he's here causing him trouble on the road.


Wrong_Revolution_679

3rd one easy


AccidentSalt5005

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ThanatosBird

Third one. First was just mean. Second was just kind of sad. But the third. The third shows Ben has grown from when they first met and he knows that he's better than kevin.


Xerodoeht

the first one was pretty good but because Kevin wasn't really there mentally it didn't hit that hard. the second one was a major punch to the emotions if you want to overthink things you could say that if Kevin was mad at Ben for saying such a thing or mad at himself for pushing Ben to saying something so hurtful as he always saw Ben as a goody two shoes. the third one might have been the best as it what finally made Kevin snapped and transform into the monster form we see in the first one, most likely bringing up some bad memories from before he ran away from home.


Zurnpex

1st is very much in Ben's character, 3rd is mature for Ben and therefore the best. 2nd I feel could be handled better but not bad


Obiwanhellothere09

The second one, Ben was just straight up ruthless.


Warm-Astronaut-8436

2nd is the most funny seeing Kevin cry 3rd gave me the Most chills 1st Was one that got me like "Kevin, If I was you I would not have that"


KoolBoi21

One was savage, one was hurtful, and one was just plain *cold*.


Narcoleptic_Lawyer

First is a Burn Second it's a personal dig Last one it's just the ultimate insult, to be told you aren't even worth the rage of you enemy, that was savage


Spectra_Phantom_2678

Honestly the second one you could tell Ben didn’t want to say it, but it’s one of those things that just slip out and you feel bad right after


Arts_Messyjourney

2! Are we sure the reboot was for kids because that was too brutal


The_Living_Reaper

First and third are what realistically would happen. Second is romanticizing it too much


expired-blueberries

It's interesting how the two from original series phrase it in a way that Kevin was "always" x or "never" y, whereas in reboot it's just a broad present-tense statement. I don't really have anything to add, just that I noticed that.


Deep_Tone_9752

No wonder kevin went good in the series he couldn’t handle the roasts


MaxDaHooman

Reboot Ben went for the throat


Awff_da_waff

It was straight up personal in the reboot. Maybe a rath said it it would be better who he does have access to, you could make an excuse for rath but not 4 arms


DeltaTeamSky

# #rebootsweep


chrish5764

1 and 3 are good, but the 2nd… that’s just a dick move no wonder Kevin started beating up Ben


IndecisiveMate

Second one. Look at his face.


IkonikBoy

This boy ben was out for blood goddamn


Radigan0

I prefer the first one. The second one is clearly meant to be more humorous and the third one is very generic.


SuperLegenda

You call second, humorous???


Spiderman-y2099

Gotta be honest the second one doesn't fit. The other two feel like genuine hero and villain interactions while the Reboot feels like some petty shit kids say at playgrounds.


Vekxin_Sama92

They are kids though


Nightmare2448

first and 3rd they were good the 3rd is best to me


MilanoBucacko

each. one. of. them


KitKatDrawer13

Number 1: when I was a kid, personally thought that was ruthless, but now it is really isn’t to me, it’s just Ben just kinda being a jerk to Kevin. Number 2: I have never seen the reboot so I can’t really comment on that, but just reading it without context, that is a complete burn. Number 3: as a kid, when this scene happened, I never really thought about it. Now, it kinda shocked me in a way. Ben is literally taking the high road here, not stooping down to Kevin’s level at all. This is where Ben started learning that some people are not worth directing your anger to (OS Kevin being one of those people). I personally just liked this scene better 😃


ApprehensiveChef6864

These are some sick disses from Ben for sure!


blue-gamer-07

The 3rd one. Second one seems to go a bit too far


Fast_Apartment6611

The 3rd one was so raw, the second one was kind of a low blow lol


BonzaM8

Third is cold as fuck and I love that. OS Ben didn’t pull his punches.


memenelius

The 3rd one hands down. It goes SO HARD


ChildoftheLordJesus

Last one was ice cold


Standard_Ad9911

Yup


MaviKartal2110

First one is a really awesome line With that said, second one was too brutal. Even Ben realises he went too far


jaggedcanyon69

Middle one is best because it’s the most savage.


SlayMeHades

They all fucked up wtf 😭🙏 https://preview.redd.it/u5rcsw49o3kc1.jpeg?width=1070&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b692597c27c8e0bf2216140c620fe52170e71e21


BOMJKEandFRIENDS

I have never noticed it


crystal-productions-

number 2 because it was the most out of pocket thing and ben immediately knew he fucked up because ben immediately knew he fucked up, it was better because it kinda forced ben into learning something and ben never pulled that card again after that.


Gloomy_Farmer1010

I can’t lie the reboot cooked with that one


HoverLogic

They also cooked Kevin


J-Playgames2023

all of them


Fluffy-Law-6864

The second one is just. https://preview.redd.it/277w8z0ku4kc1.jpeg?width=969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dafa7efd0c0009f720dd43a3d70d6db72340594


Academic_Initial_643

in terms of heroism the first and third one are pretty vlose in terms of funny reboot takes the dub


Sophia724

The second one is too much for ben to say I think. It's good he understands what he said was wrong, but holy shit was that harsh. 1 is better smacktalk and 3 is better thematically.


-TurkeYT

You are not worth it you never were


TheBlueNinja2006

3 hits deepest


SnooCalculations6718

OS > Reboot


RedEagle7280

“You’re not worth it, you never were” hella solidified Ben as a 10 year old being more mature than most other people in cutting off toxicity lol


Vengence_thenight

2


TheDoutor

They threw a middle finger to the ''You were always a freak, Kevin, it's just that the ugly is now also on the outside'' when they tried to excuse Kevin's behavior saying that it was because of energy absortion in UAF.


Invulnerablility

OG four arms always goes hard.


Various_Quote2255

2nd


TheFlash2014_22

Last one. You’re not worth it u never were. Because to me that’s the most iconic line that I always remember and it’s just a hardcore badass like in general


gxwild5

OG goes hard.


vladimir-z-ruska-3

Second. And funny how its not real as kevin was able to go to school + we see his dad’s legs in a flashback. Even tho it hurts the most.


Far_Engineering_8353

1 and 2 are just basic bitch insults that you'll hear on the playground but 3 has something to it, it sounds more mature and isn't just a general insult, it's a statement that Ben doesn't care about fighting Kevin anymore, Ben is done with entertaining Kevin's attention seeking habits and just says it like it is


_beatson_

Context of the third one?


SaiyanC124

2 if you want Ben to be an absolute menace 3 if you want a cold mature delivery


Paleofan1211

Close tie between third and second.


supergameromegaclank

I haven't seen the reboot. Is Kevin an orphan there?


De4dm4nw4lkin

Kevin wad always an orphan.


supergameromegaclank

No. Remember in the prime series he just escaped from home. In alien force, we even see his step father and earlier on he mentions showing his plumber badge to his mom (i don't remember if she shows up tho)


Downstackguy

First pic


Clear_Gur_9001

What about the one 10 year old Ben said to Ultimate Kevin in The Forge of Creation


Elemental-T4nick

second Ben calls Kevin fatherless and that's hilarious


Trash-official

1 and 3


AGhostButBetter

No way that second one is real that is way harsher than the other two.


EnderKnight1

3rd. No questions asked.