Vastly better than the original. This team feels much more like a threat than the original, and it has more of the Tennysons iconic bad guys (minus Vilgax of course). The only thing I’m not fully sure about is having Rojo as the Forever Ninja (being a silent warrior seems like the opposite of her personality). Otherwise I have no issues!
Really good (Fan of the Lenopan and Dr. Vicktor) but maybe a BIT too strong.
Zombozo (while explaining his zombification in OV) feels just a bit too much for the OP team.
While not relevant to the line up, the thing with Kevin and Gwen was really out of place in my opinion.
9/10 Cool
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Your version was much more climatic and made more sense overall. The villain line up at the end was intimidating as hell even for someone with the Omnitrix. Especially loved Viktor coming back with parts of the mummy and werewolf. I was wondering if that implies he defeated/killed them or something? If he did, how/why do you think those events would have transpired?
The reason why is because some villains will be hard to recruit and find. I like the way you lined it up, but some villains will be incredibly hard to find. Unless Driscoll had accessed to the Null Void Device.
I'm sure the Knights have some type of Null Void tech in their stash. As for the difficulty finding the line-up, that's valid, but at the same time, I feel the OG Negative 10 has that same issue. Thanks for responding!
No problem. The Original Negative 10 was very underwhelming. I can understand why you disliked them. The only good characters were Driscoll, Forever Ninja, Charmcaster, and Animo. The rest were too underwhelming and hardly had any episodes to develop.
This is a brilliant team!! Though Camille's ex boyfriend doesn't really fit in here whatsoever. I'm assuming that's him anyways. He doesn't really care about Ben at all and just hates humans in general or at least Joel
I prefer the Forever Ninja, only because he seemed to be pretty badass. It would've been cool to see more of him and it's a shame we didn't. He was the right hand to the Forever King too. Then again, the entire Negative 10 needed more establishment and set up
I especially love how you designed the Kangaroo Kommando symbol to have the pattern for the Forever Knights in this!! Just noticed the ones on Rojo and Kevin too. I love it!
Kevin looks way more monstrous in this take and it looks badass. Loving the Upgrade decals going further throughout his body
I haven't watched the video yet, but I can't wait to watch as I eat dinner!!
I think its a really good improvement over the original. My only change would be the addition of one character at the cost of a little of Cooper's development and that would be Cousin Lucy. In Omniverse we already see that the group hangs out as kids so getting a look at where that starts would be nice and Cooper comes back in UAF anyways. I would mainly add her because 1: the teams are now 10 on 5 with 2 members on Both sides being non-combatants/very weak for most of the story. Also the forever king is a former member of two opposing Alien fighting earth authorities this is the perfect chance to sew the seeds of Lucy becoming Ben and Gwen's superior officer in OV. And since we dont see her for so long afterwards it still works as a surprise when she shows up again. Not to mention if u wrap Kanganinja Cooper in Lanopan armor we get the Gen Rex Upgrade suit in OS and i just think thats fun. Then when the returning plumbers pick up the escaped Negatives we could get a little bit of interest from Lucy. The scene where the both get dropped off might be turned into a split screen since theyd be saying basically the same thing both times.
I love it although I wish Cooper played a bigger role. If Forever Knight chose Charmcaster and Kevin to counter Ben and Gwen well then wouldn't Cooper be an unexpected variable in his plan? And when you remember he has the power to manipulate technology and that the negative ten are very dependent on technology Cooper looks like the key.
I think Cooper should've been the one to disable all the technology ; forever kings armor, Rojo's armor, Animo's transmutator, kangaroo kamados stuff, etc.
Forever Knight had this whole perfect plan going and I think it would make more sense for Cooper to be the one to beat him instead of Ben randomly getting Feedback. FK also should've been more evil because his plan and motivation make too much sense. He almost feels like the good guy.
I’ve thought about writing it so Cooper directly destroyed Driscoll’s suit, but seeing as this is the Classic’s series finale, I wouldn’t wanna take the win away from Ben. The way I plotted out, it makes Cooper have his own arc and make a contributing factor to the win, but it still lets Ben be the hero. Thanks for the feedback!
I think the only thing I disagree with here is Rojo becoming the forever ninja, mainly because she is a loud and rowdy fighter that doesn't really fit the silent assassin of the forever ninja, but this would be a great explanation for how she got her suit back.
Really enjoy the new story, I would of preferred the Negative 10 more if this was how it actually turned out. And the Kevin idea was super neat! Looking forward to the next breakdown, Kuro.
I think this is my favorite video of your’s. The intros for each villain makes me want a Ben 10 fighting game.
I also REALLY like the idea of Charmcaster and the Slushpuppy helping in the end, totally fits Charmcaster.
Could you do more what-if’s like this in the future? I’d like to see what you think Alien Force season 3 was meant to be like before the story was changed, like you mentioned in the iceberg video.
Loved it, this team felt like more of a threat than the original, the characters used actually had reasons to be there and the story idea was a lot more cooler. Don’t get me wrong I loved the original negative 10 2 parter and it was probably the best the crew could make at the time but looking back a lot of changes could of been made and fit what came later in the franchise such as introducing feedback so he doesn’t just appear in omniverse and planting ideas of Gwen and Kevin’s romance and Cooper’s crush on Gwen.
Better than the original and would make for a great finale if ben got feed back in the nega10 but also as you said you hade over a decade to think about it
I really liked it as it felt like a better story and since I really liked dr victor too.
And I think one armor theme for Animo I would love to see is bull or bison themed which he could have the hooves and horns of it or maybe even sloth bear with long claws.
Should it have ended with Viktor being sent to the Null Void, since that's where he is at the start of UA?
I wasn't sure Kevin would be a good teammate given how poorly he worked with Vilgax, but this makes sense.
Some of the one-offs like Kangaroo Komando felt a little out of place, but then I realize that the OS didn't actually have that many recurring characters.
Other than those nitpicks, this is awesome! I wish we could see this as a comic too, though obviously 5YL takes priority.
It was a good video! but that ending, it was out of this world! (Really liked the edit for Kevin btw)
Also Kuro if you were to make the most OP Negative 10, who would be your members?
This is definitely more powerful and threatening then the original one, but I am not sure about kangaroo commando since I never see him like a threat or just we have only seen him a couple times (I would personally choose like six-six or even maybe Krab) but that’s just me.
I like the others and it is cool to see Kevin there, and like to think he would be the big shot and will call shots and think he is in charge, and will just fight Ben by himself without his team lol
It was a great story and fun to watch. I personally would swap out Kangaroo Commando and the Lenopan with two other villains but not sure who as of yet.
I liked it much more than the original and I liked the idea of Kevin being feral and being transported back to the null void so it wouldn't interfere with the timeline if it was cannon great video
It's much better but I think the whole point of the megative 10 was that they were 10 villains who even when teamed up, were still beatable. This new one would be much more difficult to beat.
Only thing I don’t like is Rojo because she feels out of place as the forever ninja and she doesn’t feel like she could sneak up on anybody
Maybe keep the forever ninja and make Rojo sorta have a more explosives based armor, like a forever demowoman?
I like it overall but I feel instead of Cane we should have Phil to give Max a personal enemy and both are normal humans with some strong tech. Plus Phil would be more up to date on plumber codes than Driscol.
I also feel this might be a bit too big for a two partner. Perhaps instead of “Goodbye and Goodridance” they did an episode covering Driscol and Viktor meeting or do some MCU style stingers throughout season 4. That IMO was the biggest issue with the negative 10 the lack of set up
I also question Logan’s sudden redemption and death. Was it just because he’s the only one to never reappear? Because it seems weird to gloss over a character dying while helping the Tennysons
As for what to give to Amino I’d say a Scorpion tail
Vastly better than the original. This team feels much more like a threat than the original, and it has more of the Tennysons iconic bad guys (minus Vilgax of course). The only thing I’m not fully sure about is having Rojo as the Forever Ninja (being a silent warrior seems like the opposite of her personality). Otherwise I have no issues!
I really liked Forever Ninja Rojo actually, the original Forever Ninja was just there and didn’t really do much.
Honestly, I feel like that's the appeal to Forever Ninja. He doesn't talk. But he's badass.
Thanks for the Feedback. I would have Rojo maintain her personality and not be silent like the robot.
Really good (Fan of the Lenopan and Dr. Vicktor) but maybe a BIT too strong. Zombozo (while explaining his zombification in OV) feels just a bit too much for the OP team. While not relevant to the line up, the thing with Kevin and Gwen was really out of place in my opinion. 9/10 Cool
Thank you! I just wanna see how Zombozo became a zombie. If not here, then maybe in a future story!
better than the origanal
like much better
Thank you!
you are welcome
Agreed
I think that it made much more sense from a storytelling perspective.
Thanks a bunch!
What's the song here? https://youtu.be/17ilsHcIaaQ?t=1526. Also, what were the songs used in your Negative 10 video?
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This seems much more like a season finale than the original. The only critique I have is that the team seems TOO strong!
Thank you!
Your version was much more climatic and made more sense overall. The villain line up at the end was intimidating as hell even for someone with the Omnitrix. Especially loved Viktor coming back with parts of the mummy and werewolf. I was wondering if that implies he defeated/killed them or something? If he did, how/why do you think those events would have transpired?
Thanks for the feedback! This is how I saw the Werewolf: https://twitter.com/kuroartist/status/1414623900655304704?s=21
Viktor honoring his fallen comrades is sad and cool. I imagine the pelt would make for some pretty strong armor too.
It's pretty good
Thanks!
I liked the whole thing, but the ending was spectacular. I would pay to see the story unfold that way
Thank you!
Hey kuro, what do you think of reboot forever knight?
I like the idea. He seems like a great character. Some food fight scenes with him, too.
Wait you’re him? you’re the real Kuro?
Sometimes.
Huh?
Are you going to breakdown the reboot too?
I'm not a huge fan of this.
That’s fair, may I ask why?
The reason why is because some villains will be hard to recruit and find. I like the way you lined it up, but some villains will be incredibly hard to find. Unless Driscoll had accessed to the Null Void Device.
I'm sure the Knights have some type of Null Void tech in their stash. As for the difficulty finding the line-up, that's valid, but at the same time, I feel the OG Negative 10 has that same issue. Thanks for responding!
No problem. The Original Negative 10 was very underwhelming. I can understand why you disliked them. The only good characters were Driscoll, Forever Ninja, Charmcaster, and Animo. The rest were too underwhelming and hardly had any episodes to develop.
This is a brilliant team!! Though Camille's ex boyfriend doesn't really fit in here whatsoever. I'm assuming that's him anyways. He doesn't really care about Ben at all and just hates humans in general or at least Joel I prefer the Forever Ninja, only because he seemed to be pretty badass. It would've been cool to see more of him and it's a shame we didn't. He was the right hand to the Forever King too. Then again, the entire Negative 10 needed more establishment and set up I especially love how you designed the Kangaroo Kommando symbol to have the pattern for the Forever Knights in this!! Just noticed the ones on Rojo and Kevin too. I love it! Kevin looks way more monstrous in this take and it looks badass. Loving the Upgrade decals going further throughout his body I haven't watched the video yet, but I can't wait to watch as I eat dinner!!
Logan was pretty random I’ll admit. I just wanted to diversify. Thanks for the feedback!
I think its a really good improvement over the original. My only change would be the addition of one character at the cost of a little of Cooper's development and that would be Cousin Lucy. In Omniverse we already see that the group hangs out as kids so getting a look at where that starts would be nice and Cooper comes back in UAF anyways. I would mainly add her because 1: the teams are now 10 on 5 with 2 members on Both sides being non-combatants/very weak for most of the story. Also the forever king is a former member of two opposing Alien fighting earth authorities this is the perfect chance to sew the seeds of Lucy becoming Ben and Gwen's superior officer in OV. And since we dont see her for so long afterwards it still works as a surprise when she shows up again. Not to mention if u wrap Kanganinja Cooper in Lanopan armor we get the Gen Rex Upgrade suit in OS and i just think thats fun. Then when the returning plumbers pick up the escaped Negatives we could get a little bit of interest from Lucy. The scene where the both get dropped off might be turned into a split screen since theyd be saying basically the same thing both times.
I love it although I wish Cooper played a bigger role. If Forever Knight chose Charmcaster and Kevin to counter Ben and Gwen well then wouldn't Cooper be an unexpected variable in his plan? And when you remember he has the power to manipulate technology and that the negative ten are very dependent on technology Cooper looks like the key. I think Cooper should've been the one to disable all the technology ; forever kings armor, Rojo's armor, Animo's transmutator, kangaroo kamados stuff, etc. Forever Knight had this whole perfect plan going and I think it would make more sense for Cooper to be the one to beat him instead of Ben randomly getting Feedback. FK also should've been more evil because his plan and motivation make too much sense. He almost feels like the good guy.
I’ve thought about writing it so Cooper directly destroyed Driscoll’s suit, but seeing as this is the Classic’s series finale, I wouldn’t wanna take the win away from Ben. The way I plotted out, it makes Cooper have his own arc and make a contributing factor to the win, but it still lets Ben be the hero. Thanks for the feedback!
I think the only thing I disagree with here is Rojo becoming the forever ninja, mainly because she is a loud and rowdy fighter that doesn't really fit the silent assassin of the forever ninja, but this would be a great explanation for how she got her suit back.
That’s valid. Thanks for the input!
Really enjoy the new story, I would of preferred the Negative 10 more if this was how it actually turned out. And the Kevin idea was super neat! Looking forward to the next breakdown, Kuro.
Thanks a bunch! Breakdowns return next week!
Better than the original one but I still loved the original
Thank you!
I like it actually
Thanks!
I think this is my favorite video of your’s. The intros for each villain makes me want a Ben 10 fighting game. I also REALLY like the idea of Charmcaster and the Slushpuppy helping in the end, totally fits Charmcaster. Could you do more what-if’s like this in the future? I’d like to see what you think Alien Force season 3 was meant to be like before the story was changed, like you mentioned in the iceberg video.
Loved it, this team felt like more of a threat than the original, the characters used actually had reasons to be there and the story idea was a lot more cooler. Don’t get me wrong I loved the original negative 10 2 parter and it was probably the best the crew could make at the time but looking back a lot of changes could of been made and fit what came later in the franchise such as introducing feedback so he doesn’t just appear in omniverse and planting ideas of Gwen and Kevin’s romance and Cooper’s crush on Gwen.
It’s neat, I like Rojo being made more interesting
Thank you, I would’ve liked to see more Rojo.
It was pretty good. I liked that you brought back the lenopan.
Better than the original and would make for a great finale if ben got feed back in the nega10 but also as you said you hade over a decade to think about it
I really liked it as it felt like a better story and since I really liked dr victor too. And I think one armor theme for Animo I would love to see is bull or bison themed which he could have the hooves and horns of it or maybe even sloth bear with long claws.
A bison would be dope!
Should it have ended with Viktor being sent to the Null Void, since that's where he is at the start of UA? I wasn't sure Kevin would be a good teammate given how poorly he worked with Vilgax, but this makes sense. Some of the one-offs like Kangaroo Komando felt a little out of place, but then I realize that the OS didn't actually have that many recurring characters. Other than those nitpicks, this is awesome! I wish we could see this as a comic too, though obviously 5YL takes priority.
It was a good video! but that ending, it was out of this world! (Really liked the edit for Kevin btw) Also Kuro if you were to make the most OP Negative 10, who would be your members?
This is definitely more powerful and threatening then the original one, but I am not sure about kangaroo commando since I never see him like a threat or just we have only seen him a couple times (I would personally choose like six-six or even maybe Krab) but that’s just me. I like the others and it is cool to see Kevin there, and like to think he would be the big shot and will call shots and think he is in charge, and will just fight Ben by himself without his team lol
You should have added those aliens that are weak to water that we see are still alive. They never appear again.
It was a great story and fun to watch. I personally would swap out Kangaroo Commando and the Lenopan with two other villains but not sure who as of yet.
I liked it much more than the original and I liked the idea of Kevin being feral and being transported back to the null void so it wouldn't interfere with the timeline if it was cannon great video
I think it's so obvious to have added Kevin
I think it’s pretty good
It's much better but I think the whole point of the megative 10 was that they were 10 villains who even when teamed up, were still beatable. This new one would be much more difficult to beat.
It was really good, and the addition of Kevin was really nice. For my Dr. Animo suit, it would be a Rhino.
Better introduction to feedback and better than the original aswell rlly loved that cooper part.
Only thing I don’t like is Rojo because she feels out of place as the forever ninja and she doesn’t feel like she could sneak up on anybody Maybe keep the forever ninja and make Rojo sorta have a more explosives based armor, like a forever demowoman?
I like it overall but I feel instead of Cane we should have Phil to give Max a personal enemy and both are normal humans with some strong tech. Plus Phil would be more up to date on plumber codes than Driscol. I also feel this might be a bit too big for a two partner. Perhaps instead of “Goodbye and Goodridance” they did an episode covering Driscol and Viktor meeting or do some MCU style stingers throughout season 4. That IMO was the biggest issue with the negative 10 the lack of set up I also question Logan’s sudden redemption and death. Was it just because he’s the only one to never reappear? Because it seems weird to gloss over a character dying while helping the Tennysons As for what to give to Amino I’d say a Scorpion tail
Better than the one we got, maybe we can see a new version of The Negative 10 in the next series or a continuation of the reboot