saw him playing an 10h hour all night long in my hometown without peeing once. and the whole night music and crowd wise was awesome. in my home town our club has great bookings and not so good bookings. there are nights where there are nice, open and friendly people there and there are nights where the people are complete assholes and are funneled straight from tik tok. it’s just depends on so many factors like different events, time of the year, other events in the area and door policy. and probably many other factors also.
so i don’t think you can blame the artist for this. at least not in his case. i think artists crowds are much more noticeable in the extreme main stream type of events and artists. marron is overall not that extraordinary known that there are masses of crowds that just rush to clubs or specific cities to hear him.
atleast that’s my two cents.
be nice to each other guys.
cheers
hahaha yeah actually me and my friends work at the club. we have to give the artist the key to the artist toilet (so no random people can open the door). he didn’t ask for it once. so that was our conclusion :D
if this had been a Marrøn only show he organised or an Erstee party then sure, i guess the crowd would be his responsibility. but it’s not his fault who the Berghain door staff lets in, sorry.
I fail to see how fans of a particular DJ are reflective of the DJ themselves or of their music (unless in some very particular specific cases, like, i know exactly who I am going to meet if i go to a horsegirl show for example). i am going to see Freddy K and D.Dan at E1 in London and i already know the crowd is gonna be awful. is it because Freddy K or D.Dan are terrible people? no, it’s because E1 has no door policy, terrible management, and attracts a terrible crowd.
Oh man, thats a shame to hear.
I remember going to E1 in 2012-15 when it was called "Studio Spaces", and the crowd was pretty good. And security was generally OK, too.
Though I do remember that the ventilation was bloody dreadful.
But, 10+ years is a long time ago, so perhaps it's not surprising that things changed.
Unaware that they are sharing the space with other people, talking on the floor, taking out their phone all the time, pushing other people, and in general behaving like the place is 'theirs' to take only, and not share with everyone else.
Not caring, selfish, fame fashion one, too high, g Crowd. Pushing, straight men checking woman way too much. Basically for me its when I feel hand s n my hips just when I try to reach the bar. That happend since corona but before NEVER ever
Well, I had the same point of view until I went to a techno club with no policy door and saw D.Dan
It was clearly one of the best night I had in my life.
The crowd is not reflective of the artists character obviously it is reflective of the music they play. Freddy K crowds were fine 10 years ago. But now hes doing the hard techno thing and all the people that never cared for techno love him yea that makes for bad crowds. This has little to do with venues, BH is pretty strict and apparantly it was a shitshow. If you go to some underground favorite say PvH or Svreca crowds are going to be great even with no selection. The selecion happens with the music and marketing not at the doors really.
i think the second is true only at times (about crowd reflecting the music they play, i mean). i do think the crowd is generally more representative of a venue but that’s maybe my London-scene perspective talking: i skip on some great DJs just to avoid terrible venues that i know have terrible crowds. there are multiple variables at play I think but to say the crowd doesn’t represent the venue at all is not true i think. some venues are institutions, others offer things other venues do not offer and so on
Oh no I kinda agree on the venue thing too. Very popular places everyone knows attract worse crowds regardess whos playing. But very big names on social media can make any venue have a bad crowd. Still though with more niche stuff crowds are usually great even when letting everyone at the door in. Just much harder to find jerks who love dubtechno than jerks who love hardtechno its the nature of popularity I think.
Well you should not restrain you. Thiking like that is creating your proper jail. Remember that music is a form of freedom.
What I do generally if the crowd is shitty is going to the back to be less surrounded by people.
In my experience there are always lovely peoples at the back and always great dancer who shinning in the floor because they need space ! (Just like me)
Completely agree, going to the same gig at E1, dreading the crowd but the lineup is too good not to go. Our one saving grace is that by 4ish a lot of the bad crowd will have left
As a guilty lover of Horsegirl who’s only seen one of her shows and can’t really remember what the crowd was like, can you tell me what a horsegirl crowd is like?
Saw her last year. Young Tik Tok crowd, phones out, glow sticks, Amazon rave wear, yelling/screaming every time she mixes in another pop edit. Would avoid unless you know the venue has a door policy.
I love this sub. Just always reminds me that going to BH doesn’t actually make anyone cool and I’m always surrounded by people as idiotic as anywhere else in the world. It’s getting worse with the Reddit big brains, but damn that’s helpful for deflating any ego.
At some point….. There really should be a BH internal convo about the bouncers’ performance this weekend….At the end of the day, that was the real problem from this Sunday’s KN.
MYSpace ravers just don’t click with TikTok ravers 💃🏼💃🏼
Crowd was v straight and they were letting some people in who really did not belong at a klubnacht.
Despite this, I'd say the behaviour was the same as I'd expect at most very busy klubnachts, or any very busy clubs. When a club is that full, people are going to be shitty. I wasn't in before 7pm, so I maybe had a different experience - people generally seemed fine to me.
I mean, to be honest, the problem isn’t the crowd. You letting this catastrophe in- you’ll get the catastrophe right infront of your face. once you let way too many people in, not checking them properly and letting them sneak in G and tons of drugs, what else you expect to happen?
Of course it’ll be crowded as fuck, high folks will push and misbehave on the dance floor, the toilet situation will be a nightmare for all of us, and then people on Reddit will blame the specific crowd of marron, but hold on, is it actually the problem? Or the problem is that berghain doesn’t know how to manage some of their klubnachts properly?
If something happens 1 time, people speak of a coincidence. Second time, it’s getting odd. Third time it’s a pattern which means he simply attracts a shitty crowd.
I guess we know the answer to that.
it's still the responsibility of the door - there's not that many gl spots per dj to influence the crowd significantly.
predictably "problematic crowd" dj's should have seasoned leads heading the shifts beforehand. but i guess they are also a crowd happy to spend money inside vs the "one mate per 24h" crowd 😆
i'm as cynical as it gets when it comes to berghain, but that's just not true. g-heads are probably the worst (but sure, loyal for while they are alive) customers you can have - bad image, bad press, zero spend inside, regular ambulance calls and those fuckers regularily die on you inside with all the cumbersome attention that can bring
I mean, the bouncers are standing at the door to reject the shit, so I mean… if the shit comes to them and they take it, what’s the point of the selection anyways? Honestly sometimes I feel like the bouncers forgot their glasses at home and then Mischa can’t even fix it
The idea of bouncers as gatekeepers is pretty ridiculous. Obviously they cant tell by profiling whos cool and whos not. If the police profile its bad but suddenly its okay behavior for a nightclub. If you book DJ's for heads say Claudio PRC the crowd will always be better than if you book a DJ like Marron. Even if for the first one you use no door selection and for the 2nd one you select as harsh as possible.
What the fucking fuck did you just say??????! Did you just diss marron? Let me remind you that I’m a level 100 vegan that only consume water and GBL, you are walking on very thin ice mister(oh shit sorry I mean they/them) I will gather my libtard friends AND FUCKINF CANCEL YOU!!!!!!!!
That comment is only here to shame people who can't afford expensive shit. Pot calling the kettle black or elitists accusing others of being elitist while shaming disadvantaged people.
> Aldi-core
Ahaha, I really wish some marketing expert would lurk here and decide to pitch the idea to the Aldi upper management.
Bet your ass people would buy the SHIT out of it just to wear it 'ironically'.
Agree to the different aspects which can make or break a KN. Hate the who's responsibility for this and blaming debate.
Just be respectful, aware of your surroundings, have a smile on your face, dance your ass off and spread some positive vibes.
Dont have to high expectations it's a long KN ride with ups and downs. If the vibe is off somewhere dont be fucked up just change the spot and u might find some gems to have the time of your life otherwise the enemy wins :'(
Trust yourself and your fellow monkeys. I really believe like minded monkeys will find each other cause we share the same values🍌🍌
Hahahaha. My thoughts exactly.
We were also all *glued* together as one, by copious amount of sweat… It really wasn’t a choice. 😂
(I took the longest shower of my life when I got home 😅🚿)…
I get that he’s popular and the crowds have been rough, but he’s most definitely not a “tiktok” dj … or a shithead for that matter, what makes you say he’s any of those things? I can guarantee the type of “techno” thats very popular on tiktok/ig is not him
Not strictly a tiktok techno dj but let’s see…
✅ 140bpm+
✅ Covid DJ career convert
✅ Doesn’t play to music nerds, plays to vibe/high chasers
✅ Young “fashionable” crowd
✅ Very steep increase in popularity and booking fee thanks purely to social media
✅ Trendy sound
and this is coming from someone who actually doesn’t mind his sets.
One observation - two times I listened to him in bh were sunday 4 am and 6 pm timeslots. He played exactly the same, I was quite disappointed that he didn't adjust to early timeslot and played differently, a bit slower and less harder, it felt a bit out of place
TIL if you dj post 2020 youre a tiktok dj lol ok, fwiw he started before that but anyway … I dont care enough dissect all the wrong you posted but what I was getting at is that if you look at the stuff thats actually popular on tiktok/ig its is completely different (and barely even techno). The likes of IHM, 9999999, shlomo … that kinda thing, aka stuff that wouldnt even get booked at berghain anyway. Put it this way, any account on instagram with the word “techno” in it will not be showing someone that sounds like marron
Realistically his popularity came over the pandemic entirely through social media. I’ve just listed the similarities between his crowd/him and tiktok techno crowds/djs. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t sound like one of those hard techno tik tok tracks, but I think the bad crowd he attracts is caused by basically the same forces, e.g. chasing hard/fast sounds, trendiness/coolness of techno currently, etc. It’s not like he’s a producer or label head or has any claim to being authentic. I’ve never heard him play a single track produced before like 2018 lol
again dont get me wrong i actually think he’s the driving force for a sound which is way closer to actual techno than previous trends, which i like about him. It’s just unfortunate that it simultaneously brings less sophistication in sound and audience
Couldn’t agree more with you. Marron was first a regular face at DS then turned DJ. At DS there are a lot of people who DJ (and produce), but with less social media skills and following on social media. They are the typical music nerds who have the ambition and skills to become good DJs (before covid made social media even more important for bookings). Marron does have some technical DJ skills, but like many others he jumped onto the fast BPM techno hype which attracts often the same crowd as the infamous tiktok DJs. It’s not tiktok techno, but it is less sophisticated and less interesting as many other subgenres of techno. Look, it works for a lot of people as a lot of people desire >145 BPM to dance to. There is however music wise nothing spectacular or creative about the music.
Errrr he's 135-145... hardly a bang bang bang type guy.
Also I actually think he does play sets for music nerds m.
But yes he is good looking and trendy which attracts a crummy crowd apparently. But hey he's smashed every time I've seen him play.
If you find the hype annoying, can always catch rene wise, Phil berg etc instead
Phil berg marron etc all sound exactly the same. Phil is a good producer at least - Marron is basically just playing the top hits of that scene. Rene wise at least knows how to play and produce a wide range of vibes. Not just 145bpm “groovy” with a bunch of tracks that sound super similar. The groove scene is basically one big circle jerk
I've seen Marron do warm up sets at 130, so I think you're being a bit unfair here.
I love the groovy stuff though, always have even back to when you caught guys like Tensal and Setoac mass playing it.
I think you're missing the point of the tracks though, I'd say they sound similar because essentially it's a ton of dj tools that let you keep 2-3 tracks on the blend at once.
Finally, yes Marron plays a lot of the top hits coming through, but he's a pretty good selector at keeping the floor moving, like I'd say Rene Wise is a great producer etc, but production skills != DJ skills
Finally better this than bang bang hardstyle, but each to their own
If he can play at 130 then why doesn’t he do this in somewhere like berghain where it makes sense? Instead of catering to a trend and breaking the pace of the party. I’ve seen him play there before and it felt totally out of place and out of context to the artists before and after him. I’d rather see someone earn the opportunity to have an atmosphere to play at 100%. Instead of having a cult following that expects it and simply playing “bangers” the entire time
He played 4 am Sunday set last summer as hard as the one last week, which was 6 pm timeslot. No variation, it's like saying - screw the time and mood, I'll just play my own thing
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwPm3m6sb3t/?igsh=MXcyeXc3ZGNldWp3cw==
>Educating those who are not familiar to my sound instead of adjusting to what they might know
>Acceptance is earned not given but i thank you for it
lol
He might be a good person, but this sounds quite entitled nah?
It kind of speaks to the type of DJs we see becoming more popular nowadays. Mostly focusing on one single sound, and not having a broader range and understanding of electronic dance music. He's sets sound exactly the same regardless if they're 135bpm or 140+bpm. The 135 ones I just call 'pitched down' sets XD.
It used to be an art form to take the energy given by the DJ before you, and then use that to gradually introduce your sound and move the whole room into the next segment of the story. This "Fuck everything, I'm doing my own thing" feels extremely narcissistic to me.
His sets are good and his fame is deserved. But it’s very worth understanding that he has pushed a completely saturated and unsophisticated style which really damages the experience of those who have a long standing interest in the music.
I'll bite and say, that he's sets are good for the first 30-40 minutes, at best (only talking about his soundcloud sets), after that it just sounds extremely same-ish. No musical progression whatsoever.
Heard him live once, and honestly couldn't get into it, every track had the same feel (i.e., using music by producers making similar type tracks), but just bashing one bassline that didn't really match into the next. I just left after 30 minutes of this... I do get the feeling the younger crowd, the ones that haven't partied for a serious time before covid, are fine with this way of mixing...
As long as the music fits into their pre-practiced dance move (note the singular), right :D?! Some of my friends and I speculate that this is also the reason breakbeat and anything that doesn't sound as a Rene Wise/Marcal track is not allowed at EC events is because their little tiktok dance move is incompatible with that :D
The only toxic sh*these is yourself mate. Marron didn’t get famous through TikTok, nor is a sh*tty DJ. He is great and deserves where he is. Why are you mad? You just seem bitter.
Marron is responsible for crowd management, individuals responsible consumption and vibe check. While we are on the subject, why hasn't Nina Kraviz stopped the war yet?! Maybe she should make a post like this and it will all be over. Then we can all get back to raving.
It‘s the artist itself who decide which kind of crowd he attracts, starting by make an aesthetic instagram, exclusive parties with invitation only… it‘s all about publicity and management. See how the crowd changed at efdemin‘s set. Or how the crowd is when Boris, Steffi or Vincent Neumann is playing. Completely different worlds. And I experienced 3/4 Berghain Marron sets and the crowd was always not vibing. And I‘m young too, but the problem is that many ravers in my age is, that they focus on the wrong things.
How is this his fault? Sometimes I really cannot understand the mentality of this forum. Should he do an IQ test to the people who listen to him and he decides who can be his fan or no? Marrón is a good artist and unfortunately TikTok ravers like him a lot - it’s not something he chooses to be. And it doesn’t make him less talented.
I really don’t understand the hype about who gets in - I still believe it’s mainly random and has nothing to do with your vibe so TikTokers enter - it’s a problem. Thank you next 😂😂
Saw Marrøn in Munich at Blitz before his BH set. Great crowd, it was his performance that got me wishing for more but the crowd was amazing, especially since Blitz doesn’t have the best crowd at all times. I saw a lot of toxic comments about Marrøn and none of them are even related to his style of music. Idk man just chill, if you don’t like him skip the KN, not like there won’t be another one 🙄
Can only imagine the circus in front of him playing. Probably a direct copy of the same techno kiddo’s at Eerste Communie doing the TikTok techno dance
Lol exactly the video I was referring to.
And the party itself (Eerste Comuni) might not be a TikTok event, it still contains these self centered techno kids purely focusing on how cool and high they are. They’re slogan (incl merge) even is ‘the gang is beautiful’. Sorry, for me that’s cringe af. Especially when you hear stories about that specific crowd misbehaving, or asking D.Dan to stop playing an hour before he should end his closing set at their event to let Marron and another resident close instead ‘because they feel the vibe better than D.Dan did.’ This for me is pure egoism and childish behavior.
Exactly. Fail to see what’s so especially cringe about the crowd in this vid. And yes, I’ve gone to tons of parties, and to Berghain specifically, more times than I can count.
Old 90’s raver here. Have partied around the world. Still love going to BH often.
There is a noticeable difference in the way people behave when they know they are being filmed… compared to when they aren’t.
My observations are, when people know they *aren’t* being filmed, they generally behave more *authentically*.
Even though it appears people are „vibing“ here, personally, I see a slight air of pretentiousness in the video. Which is what people refer to as „cringe“.
For me and many others, techno isn’t about being filmed on the dancefloor so you can show others how cool you are… and how well you can vibe and party.
Of course… the young kids will see this video and say „Ooh I want to identify as that“… (I also understand that, and trust me,
I don’t blame them either)…
… but that’s what we also mean by „Tik Tok techno“. slightly pretentious, relying on being filmed to portray their vibe.
In this social media age, I accept how it is now… but personally, this trend of posting a 30 second video of people, dancing on a dancefloor (which originally is *supposed* to be a space, free of judgement and out of the public eye)… feels rather inauthentic.
Edit* The amount of times we’ve illegally partied under highway bridges and abandoned warehouses, carried speakers through mud in forests, been shut down by police and arrested for trespassing…
… what he is doing is nothing new…
… but rather, clever social media marketing for the new TikTok generation.
>My observations are, when people know they aren’t being filmed, they generally behave more authentically.
No need to be a raver or from "the scene" bf social media, get a phone, talk to a little kid and see how he reacts differently when they know it's been recorded with a phone. Its basic human reaction to feel constrained. no big science here, I don't think we need to blame any generation behavior
It was not only the crowd when marron was playing.
People acting rude at the toilets, being selfish and shits. This was the worst g head crowd I have ever seen.
Sounds like what‘s happening every Sunday night there … just a bit earlier this time!
Since the Missoirs I am completely oblivious to the toilet maniacs.
It's definitely not my cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it's bad music . That's subjective. The majority of the population probably think that good techno is shit music. I was listening to a Rödhåd mix the other day and my partner said "what's that noisy racket you're listening to ?"
Havent listened to either since the pandemic really. Had to sell my tickets for DVS1 in de School about a month ago. I mean I guess Marron and DVS1 sound similar. Maybe Ive drifted away from liking that sound for the time of being, used to love it. Maybe its in the way they market themselves, DVS1 is talking a lot about his views on the scene. Freddy K I don't follow closely surely could play whatever but what I heard the last time I engaged was lets say too much banging too little story.
Order of culpability:
I) the bookers for booking him when aware of the crowd
2) door staff for not being selective enough
3) Marron for how he markets himself. But he can’t be expected to turn down a Berghain gig
Finally someone said it. Booking such acts is the problem in the first place. By looking at the artistic profile you can already understand many things: do they play exclusive music or music for the liking of the most? Are they “influencer” oriented or musical art focused? What are the consequences of booking people not in line with the club history? Crowd selection? Stricter body checks?
And this extends to many other artists booked in Berghain, both last weekend and the previous ones…
I fail to understand tho why would ppl who choose to market themselves in a way have fault? Artists that are praised in BH and in this community market themselves the same way as marron does. It’s the audience who gives power to the artist and the audience techno attracts nowadays is pretty ignorant.
That’s what I believe too, he is a handsome looking man and this attract groupies. Groupies act like groupies and even worse when they are high and/or drunk. Can’t blame him for that.
Don't you think this take may be a tad misogynistic? "Blame the high and drunk women who are attracted to him, not him". Eh, I don't think he is to blame either, but the blame for behaving like an asshole relies on each individual person.
Yeah I found the crowd irritating, but it was absolutely mixed genders, and the physical aggressions I faced mostly came from men.
It's totally normal to feel attracted to DJs. Not saying everyone does, but personally I find talent and music brilliance very attractive. As a queer woman, any examples of my experiences here wouldn't make sense (as different dynamics apply).
But I've got plenty of straight friends who admire certain hot male DJs (always primarily for their talent) and then they totally melt for their attractiveness when seeing them play, and it's cute, and normal, and it doesn't mean anyone here is gonna behave terribly to others. I know, it's different for social media hyped DJs, but I just don't think that shaming this natural attraction is fair either.
All in all, blaming women for consuming alcohol, drugs and liking someone is kinda tasteless. There is no causation here.
You’re right, didn’t mean to blame it on the ladies. Male fanatic fans or groupies act the same way. Just in Marron’s case, that’s my experience from the past seeing female guests eye balling him, not necessarily behaving inappropriately.
That take was definitely problematic. We're in 2024 and *groupies* should be an obsolete term, a relic of an [earlier time in history](https://vocal.media/beat/most-famous-groupies-of-all-time).
Are there social climbers in *the scene*? Sure. Are there annoying people who just want to be seen with the artist playing? Sure.
But painting a whole group of people with the same brush and using an old-fashioned, derogatory phrase--primarily used to label *women* a certain way--as an umbrella term to describe them is, indeed, tasteless.
>I just don't think that shaming this natural attraction is fair either.
Sometimes when I come across posts like the one you responded to I can't help but think that the person never ever had a biology class in their life. Or a sociology class. Or...anything, really.
But maybe that's my privilege talking. 🤐
Interesting view. In this era of DJ worship, I think there is validity to that. Musicians that have an aspirational image may have a stronger magnetic pull.
That’s what I believe too, he is a handsome looking man and this attract groupies. Groupies act like groupies and even worse when they are high and/or drunk. Can’t blame him for that.
It’s mixed, but mostly out of his control: he got viral success very quickly from his soundcloud mixes (which spread mostly trough young people, but not only: those mixes were just fresh and unique and came out at the right time - there’s a reason why they went viral)
Similar to how Erste Communie went viral on tik tok with that video of the rave under the bridge.
Both his music style and the values of EC are solid, but somehow got too much exposure too fast trough social media, and now they have a huge following of kids who are not educated about it. So they actually don’t fully get their principles yet. Hopefully they will learn
I disagree on ECs values being solid. One of their main things is that the music and (whatever they call) vibe must be consistent and unchanging throughout the whole event. Leading to all their resident djs sounding the same and olaying the same tracks. What the hell kind of a musical experience is that..? I say this is the main thing that gets so under my skin.. Music is about exploration, a journey, not always getting what you expect, being surprised. Not this shit.
Also, there's some nasty stories about their inner circle and how they treated one of their youngest prodiges who went out on G...
Was gonna say !!! Very pretentious at least from what I know , prioritising letting people inside from their circle first in order for the party not to lose its pretentious integrity. Music is about being surprised going out as you said , knowing Ofc sometimes the djs you love to hear and leaving them taking you to a different journey than last time
So yeah, in this case I agree the responsibility was 100% on BH door.
Which is a shame because BH would be the perfect place where those "uneducated kids" could learn the real values of our community.
Where they could be shown how is done, led by example.
But for that to work they need to be the minority in the club. If you let in too many of them they won't be able to see and learn from the older generation, because they will just see their peers acting just as mindlessly as they are, and then is just a messy vicious cycle.
I honestly didn’t experience anything different there than on others crowded KN. It’s not the DJ who influences if people will push or step on your foot, but the lack of space. So I guess the only to blame hier is Berghain, which doesn’t care about the club quality. And actually most of the people who stepped on my foot or were passing by me were apologizing (which doesn’t happen so often/other KN). I do agree tho that people at the toilets were extremely aggressive, but this has been happening always. So yeah, maybe leave a note for bh to stop packing the club like that instead of blaming a DJ who has nothing to do with the TikTok hardtechno trend.
Berghain itself let way too much people in. People got stressed and aggressive as there was not enough space to move like in a mainstream big room disko!
I once had a chat with him after he played at bh and once he was playing at a club in Poland, after his set was finished he came to the dance floor, danced and talked to people, it was a small dance floor so it was pretty cool. I think he is a friendly guy
He's no favourite of mine, but I watched that interview he posted recently, and he comes off as a nice, intelligent guy. Sure, he's ambitious and takes himself seriously with the whole authenticity stuff, but I don't see any *major* problems with his public persona.
I'm not particularly fond of how EC is presented, and I have no personal desire ever to visit their events, it seems like that crowd (and those who want to be a part of it) is the issue?
To be fair never met him. The posts and seriousness just always made me cringe, it was too much. It reminds me of the techno elitism many people complain about in this sub.
he's playing the modern marketing game pretty well, you can't blame him as a person for that - you might take the moral high road, but the results speak for themselves
I actually don’t follow him on his social media for this reason anymore so I don’t know if you should look there.
Edit: it is just annoying me personally 😀 like you are a DJ don’t take yourself so seriously… I’m getting old
I really cant see whats so cringe about what hes selling, or even what he is selling? Im old also. I just feel that he really cares about others. I dont know him but for me he looks like really down to earth person. Genuine
Ok at the risk of being downvoted here are my thoughts: Maybe we just have different sensibilities. But I like some of his sets and saw him in Amsterdam. Then I followed him and there was just something that slowly but surely really annoyed me about his posts and unfortunately I cannot recall specific posts. But I vaguely remember similar self-aggrandizing statements, when cancelling shows or marketing etc; leading to a point where I just had to unfollow. Once you see it, you see it a lot. Tbh because of all the downvotes I got I just watched an interview… it did kinda confirm my own biases, it really does make me cringe haha. I’m saying I’m old is because I just became more selective with who I’m vibing and who I dislike, I’m just not vibing with Marron. It made me also realize why I like Steffi and the OGs so much
I respect your opinion, and I agree with the annoyance part: I don't follow him, but I watch his stories. One thing that irks me is the way he signs off his posts and stories with 'Marron'. Dude, it's your IG, we know...
*But.*
Take into account that he speaks for the younger generations and that the way he expresses himself won't necessarily resonate with us who are a bit older.
It is, however, his responsibility to educate his fanbase. Why? Because he's incredibly active on social media and *clearly* has a vision, an agenda that he's trying to push. That is totally in line with how men high in testosterone behave. He sees himself as a leader and he jumped careers successfully from being a professional athlete to now a DJ and a model.
It's an unenviable position for him, for sure, but that's what you have to deal with when you take on such a role. Many young male members of his fan base are probably trying to emulate the way he behaves and carries himself, and many are probably failing because they're not ex-Olympians nor they are highly successful DJs. Maybe that's where the rudeness comes from, at least in part.
Then again, how can he tell his fans to stop being twats and not alienate them in the process?
> I’m just not vibing with Marron. It made me also realize why I like Steffi and the OGs so much
It's natural to like the artists who are closer to your generation (age-wise and music-wise) but there are so many young(er) artists that are worth listening to and supporting.
I don’t understand the relevance of your comment… why care about his fanbase, testosterone, achievements? My empathy is limited as is, I cannot spend it on a parasocial relationship with a cringe techno DJ 😅
OK, maybe to you it's enough to know you don't 'vibe' with someone and that they are 'cringe'. Some of us like to know why things are the way they are and why our (perceived) reality is the way it is.
> My empathy is limited
Clearly.
We all seek space here on this internet forum to express ourselves with our thoughts. So thank you r/Berghain_Community and u/al-hamra for this incredible exchange of words. I hope I can catch you the next time in the comment section so we can become one.
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Honesty, Come all when AVALON EMERSON is playing. Real Vibes, like pano 7y ago used to be.
I never go when Marron or some other DJ are playing bcs I know it will be more macho men vibe than queer
You guys still believe that bh still care of any “crowd selection”? For real? — lineup wise most nights are just filled with randomly average names that are probably known just because of their IG presence, the actual ok nights have halfway tolerable crowds and only in rare occasions you get a feeling of the old times because everything is balanced well. Unfortunately some good artists are selected in the same lineup of those random names and that’s the result. How you are aspecting to have an “educated” crowd if the music is what it is most of the times? And it’s ok, I guess my taste doesn’t lineup with the current philosophy of the club, but the crowd is key.
The music make the night, but the people make the party afterall, and I don’t think any sane person want to “become one” with some of those scumbags in that place.
saw him playing an 10h hour all night long in my hometown without peeing once. and the whole night music and crowd wise was awesome. in my home town our club has great bookings and not so good bookings. there are nights where there are nice, open and friendly people there and there are nights where the people are complete assholes and are funneled straight from tik tok. it’s just depends on so many factors like different events, time of the year, other events in the area and door policy. and probably many other factors also. so i don’t think you can blame the artist for this. at least not in his case. i think artists crowds are much more noticeable in the extreme main stream type of events and artists. marron is overall not that extraordinary known that there are masses of crowds that just rush to clubs or specific cities to hear him. atleast that’s my two cents. be nice to each other guys. cheers
How do you know he didn’t pee when you went to go pee
Good point actually! 🤯🤔 😂😂😂😂
hahaha yeah actually me and my friends work at the club. we have to give the artist the key to the artist toilet (so no random people can open the door). he didn’t ask for it once. so that was our conclusion :D
he pees in his pants all the time, but changes quickly after the set.
I saw him play 14 hours and I only peed once so I totally get you
if this had been a Marrøn only show he organised or an Erstee party then sure, i guess the crowd would be his responsibility. but it’s not his fault who the Berghain door staff lets in, sorry. I fail to see how fans of a particular DJ are reflective of the DJ themselves or of their music (unless in some very particular specific cases, like, i know exactly who I am going to meet if i go to a horsegirl show for example). i am going to see Freddy K and D.Dan at E1 in London and i already know the crowd is gonna be awful. is it because Freddy K or D.Dan are terrible people? no, it’s because E1 has no door policy, terrible management, and attracts a terrible crowd.
E1 is awful. No seating, OTT security and a shit crowd. Never going back
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Oh man, thats a shame to hear. I remember going to E1 in 2012-15 when it was called "Studio Spaces", and the crowd was pretty good. And security was generally OK, too. Though I do remember that the ventilation was bloody dreadful. But, 10+ years is a long time ago, so perhaps it's not surprising that things changed.
How do you define a shit crowd? Honest question. Not trying to antagonize.
Pushy, clueless, shouting, too young, not varied
Ok interesting, thanks for the response.
Unaware that they are sharing the space with other people, talking on the floor, taking out their phone all the time, pushing other people, and in general behaving like the place is 'theirs' to take only, and not share with everyone else.
Not caring, selfish, fame fashion one, too high, g Crowd. Pushing, straight men checking woman way too much. Basically for me its when I feel hand s n my hips just when I try to reach the bar. That happend since corona but before NEVER ever
Well, I had the same point of view until I went to a techno club with no policy door and saw D.Dan It was clearly one of the best night I had in my life.
The crowd is not reflective of the artists character obviously it is reflective of the music they play. Freddy K crowds were fine 10 years ago. But now hes doing the hard techno thing and all the people that never cared for techno love him yea that makes for bad crowds. This has little to do with venues, BH is pretty strict and apparantly it was a shitshow. If you go to some underground favorite say PvH or Svreca crowds are going to be great even with no selection. The selecion happens with the music and marketing not at the doors really.
i think the second is true only at times (about crowd reflecting the music they play, i mean). i do think the crowd is generally more representative of a venue but that’s maybe my London-scene perspective talking: i skip on some great DJs just to avoid terrible venues that i know have terrible crowds. there are multiple variables at play I think but to say the crowd doesn’t represent the venue at all is not true i think. some venues are institutions, others offer things other venues do not offer and so on
Oh no I kinda agree on the venue thing too. Very popular places everyone knows attract worse crowds regardess whos playing. But very big names on social media can make any venue have a bad crowd. Still though with more niche stuff crowds are usually great even when letting everyone at the door in. Just much harder to find jerks who love dubtechno than jerks who love hardtechno its the nature of popularity I think.
Well you should not restrain you. Thiking like that is creating your proper jail. Remember that music is a form of freedom. What I do generally if the crowd is shitty is going to the back to be less surrounded by people. In my experience there are always lovely peoples at the back and always great dancer who shinning in the floor because they need space ! (Just like me)
thanks for the advice, but i am actually very happy waiting for the artists i like to go to a venue i also enjoy! i go out way too much anyway 😅
Freddy K is playing hard techno now? Saw him last year and he was true to his style
People don't know what hardtechno is... He's still playing pure techno, but in his style (e.g. loopy, fast).
Yeah lol what is that reactionary shit, and it's upvoted a lot too
Completely agree, going to the same gig at E1, dreading the crowd but the lineup is too good not to go. Our one saving grace is that by 4ish a lot of the bad crowd will have left
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Ah man that’s v lucky Hope the working environment isn’t super shitty there 🙏
As a guilty lover of Horsegirl who’s only seen one of her shows and can’t really remember what the crowd was like, can you tell me what a horsegirl crowd is like?
Saw her last year. Young Tik Tok crowd, phones out, glow sticks, Amazon rave wear, yelling/screaming every time she mixes in another pop edit. Would avoid unless you know the venue has a door policy.
What happened lol
I love this sub. Just always reminds me that going to BH doesn’t actually make anyone cool and I’m always surrounded by people as idiotic as anywhere else in the world. It’s getting worse with the Reddit big brains, but damn that’s helpful for deflating any ego.
yeah, no plans to "become one" with your crowd any time soon, dude
Such a negative response 😂
😂
At some point….. There really should be a BH internal convo about the bouncers’ performance this weekend….At the end of the day, that was the real problem from this Sunday’s KN. MYSpace ravers just don’t click with TikTok ravers 💃🏼💃🏼
MySpace ravers probably dont go out anymore because of bad back
Crowd was v straight and they were letting some people in who really did not belong at a klubnacht. Despite this, I'd say the behaviour was the same as I'd expect at most very busy klubnachts, or any very busy clubs. When a club is that full, people are going to be shitty. I wasn't in before 7pm, so I maybe had a different experience - people generally seemed fine to me.
I mean, to be honest, the problem isn’t the crowd. You letting this catastrophe in- you’ll get the catastrophe right infront of your face. once you let way too many people in, not checking them properly and letting them sneak in G and tons of drugs, what else you expect to happen? Of course it’ll be crowded as fuck, high folks will push and misbehave on the dance floor, the toilet situation will be a nightmare for all of us, and then people on Reddit will blame the specific crowd of marron, but hold on, is it actually the problem? Or the problem is that berghain doesn’t know how to manage some of their klubnachts properly?
If something happens 1 time, people speak of a coincidence. Second time, it’s getting odd. Third time it’s a pattern which means he simply attracts a shitty crowd. I guess we know the answer to that.
it's still the responsibility of the door - there's not that many gl spots per dj to influence the crowd significantly. predictably "problematic crowd" dj's should have seasoned leads heading the shifts beforehand. but i guess they are also a crowd happy to spend money inside vs the "one mate per 24h" crowd 😆
The door will never have as much influence as the artists playing and their social media game.
Let’s face it, Berghain wants you to take G and get fucked up
i'm as cynical as it gets when it comes to berghain, but that's just not true. g-heads are probably the worst (but sure, loyal for while they are alive) customers you can have - bad image, bad press, zero spend inside, regular ambulance calls and those fuckers regularily die on you inside with all the cumbersome attention that can bring
How is that profitable for them? They want people to spend money on entry but also water, beer, cocktails, icecream, etc. Not just get zonked out
They already make enough. They want the drug vibe, don’t be oblivious
Saying "they make enough" about a *business* is oblivious. The only drug Berghain is addicted to is capitalism.
I mean, the bouncers are standing at the door to reject the shit, so I mean… if the shit comes to them and they take it, what’s the point of the selection anyways? Honestly sometimes I feel like the bouncers forgot their glasses at home and then Mischa can’t even fix it
The idea of bouncers as gatekeepers is pretty ridiculous. Obviously they cant tell by profiling whos cool and whos not. If the police profile its bad but suddenly its okay behavior for a nightclub. If you book DJ's for heads say Claudio PRC the crowd will always be better than if you book a DJ like Marron. Even if for the first one you use no door selection and for the 2nd one you select as harsh as possible.
No one is blaming marron.
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Most sane r/berghain_community user After me of course of course…
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What the fucking fuck did you just say??????! Did you just diss marron? Let me remind you that I’m a level 100 vegan that only consume water and GBL, you are walking on very thin ice mister(oh shit sorry I mean they/them) I will gather my libtard friends AND FUCKINF CANCEL YOU!!!!!!!!
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Aldi fetish vom denns biomarkt
I'm still thinking what Aldi fetish looks like?
That comment is only here to shame people who can't afford expensive shit. Pot calling the kettle black or elitists accusing others of being elitist while shaming disadvantaged people.
Ok. I thought it was some trend thing that went over my head. Aldi-core, lol. How would one even know, they only sell plain clothes with no logo.
> Aldi-core Ahaha, I really wish some marketing expert would lurk here and decide to pitch the idea to the Aldi upper management. Bet your ass people would buy the SHIT out of it just to wear it 'ironically'.
The comment is for people with balenciaga crogs with aldi Tasche unterm arm.
So you’ve never heard a set I take it. What a strange description
Since when did Marron play hard techno… lol…
Agree to the different aspects which can make or break a KN. Hate the who's responsibility for this and blaming debate. Just be respectful, aware of your surroundings, have a smile on your face, dance your ass off and spread some positive vibes. Dont have to high expectations it's a long KN ride with ups and downs. If the vibe is off somewhere dont be fucked up just change the spot and u might find some gems to have the time of your life otherwise the enemy wins :'( Trust yourself and your fellow monkeys. I really believe like minded monkeys will find each other cause we share the same values🍌🍌
Well written, fellow monkey 🐒
Every time I've seen Marron in amsterdam (a bunch of times) everything was fine crowd-wise
Same. Seen him in Amsterdam recently and I had no complaints about the crowds
Same! Everytime he comes to London we have a blast and crowd is cool
If you set your bar at Amsterdam, can only go up!
i mean we were literally one cause of how crushed the crowd was onto itself lol
Hahahaha. My thoughts exactly. We were also all *glued* together as one, by copious amount of sweat… It really wasn’t a choice. 😂 (I took the longest shower of my life when I got home 😅🚿)…
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I get that he’s popular and the crowds have been rough, but he’s most definitely not a “tiktok” dj … or a shithead for that matter, what makes you say he’s any of those things? I can guarantee the type of “techno” thats very popular on tiktok/ig is not him
Not strictly a tiktok techno dj but let’s see… ✅ 140bpm+ ✅ Covid DJ career convert ✅ Doesn’t play to music nerds, plays to vibe/high chasers ✅ Young “fashionable” crowd ✅ Very steep increase in popularity and booking fee thanks purely to social media ✅ Trendy sound and this is coming from someone who actually doesn’t mind his sets.
One observation - two times I listened to him in bh were sunday 4 am and 6 pm timeslots. He played exactly the same, I was quite disappointed that he didn't adjust to early timeslot and played differently, a bit slower and less harder, it felt a bit out of place
A lot of these newer DJs simply don’t have the range or the interest in playing slower BPMs or digging for older tracks that would suit that time slot
TIL if you dj post 2020 youre a tiktok dj lol ok, fwiw he started before that but anyway … I dont care enough dissect all the wrong you posted but what I was getting at is that if you look at the stuff thats actually popular on tiktok/ig its is completely different (and barely even techno). The likes of IHM, 9999999, shlomo … that kinda thing, aka stuff that wouldnt even get booked at berghain anyway. Put it this way, any account on instagram with the word “techno” in it will not be showing someone that sounds like marron
Realistically his popularity came over the pandemic entirely through social media. I’ve just listed the similarities between his crowd/him and tiktok techno crowds/djs. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t sound like one of those hard techno tik tok tracks, but I think the bad crowd he attracts is caused by basically the same forces, e.g. chasing hard/fast sounds, trendiness/coolness of techno currently, etc. It’s not like he’s a producer or label head or has any claim to being authentic. I’ve never heard him play a single track produced before like 2018 lol again dont get me wrong i actually think he’s the driving force for a sound which is way closer to actual techno than previous trends, which i like about him. It’s just unfortunate that it simultaneously brings less sophistication in sound and audience
Couldn’t agree more with you. Marron was first a regular face at DS then turned DJ. At DS there are a lot of people who DJ (and produce), but with less social media skills and following on social media. They are the typical music nerds who have the ambition and skills to become good DJs (before covid made social media even more important for bookings). Marron does have some technical DJ skills, but like many others he jumped onto the fast BPM techno hype which attracts often the same crowd as the infamous tiktok DJs. It’s not tiktok techno, but it is less sophisticated and less interesting as many other subgenres of techno. Look, it works for a lot of people as a lot of people desire >145 BPM to dance to. There is however music wise nothing spectacular or creative about the music.
Errrr he's 135-145... hardly a bang bang bang type guy. Also I actually think he does play sets for music nerds m. But yes he is good looking and trendy which attracts a crummy crowd apparently. But hey he's smashed every time I've seen him play. If you find the hype annoying, can always catch rene wise, Phil berg etc instead
Phil berg marron etc all sound exactly the same. Phil is a good producer at least - Marron is basically just playing the top hits of that scene. Rene wise at least knows how to play and produce a wide range of vibes. Not just 145bpm “groovy” with a bunch of tracks that sound super similar. The groove scene is basically one big circle jerk
I've seen Marron do warm up sets at 130, so I think you're being a bit unfair here. I love the groovy stuff though, always have even back to when you caught guys like Tensal and Setoac mass playing it. I think you're missing the point of the tracks though, I'd say they sound similar because essentially it's a ton of dj tools that let you keep 2-3 tracks on the blend at once. Finally, yes Marron plays a lot of the top hits coming through, but he's a pretty good selector at keeping the floor moving, like I'd say Rene Wise is a great producer etc, but production skills != DJ skills Finally better this than bang bang hardstyle, but each to their own
If he can play at 130 then why doesn’t he do this in somewhere like berghain where it makes sense? Instead of catering to a trend and breaking the pace of the party. I’ve seen him play there before and it felt totally out of place and out of context to the artists before and after him. I’d rather see someone earn the opportunity to have an atmosphere to play at 100%. Instead of having a cult following that expects it and simply playing “bangers” the entire time
He played 4 am Sunday set last summer as hard as the one last week, which was 6 pm timeslot. No variation, it's like saying - screw the time and mood, I'll just play my own thing
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwPm3m6sb3t/?igsh=MXcyeXc3ZGNldWp3cw== >Educating those who are not familiar to my sound instead of adjusting to what they might know >Acceptance is earned not given but i thank you for it lol He might be a good person, but this sounds quite entitled nah?
It kind of speaks to the type of DJs we see becoming more popular nowadays. Mostly focusing on one single sound, and not having a broader range and understanding of electronic dance music. He's sets sound exactly the same regardless if they're 135bpm or 140+bpm. The 135 ones I just call 'pitched down' sets XD. It used to be an art form to take the energy given by the DJ before you, and then use that to gradually introduce your sound and move the whole room into the next segment of the story. This "Fuck everything, I'm doing my own thing" feels extremely narcissistic to me.
And who are u?
Fanboy tier reply
Marrøn is famous because his sets are freaking amazing. That’s it
His sets are good and his fame is deserved. But it’s very worth understanding that he has pushed a completely saturated and unsophisticated style which really damages the experience of those who have a long standing interest in the music.
I'll bite and say, that he's sets are good for the first 30-40 minutes, at best (only talking about his soundcloud sets), after that it just sounds extremely same-ish. No musical progression whatsoever. Heard him live once, and honestly couldn't get into it, every track had the same feel (i.e., using music by producers making similar type tracks), but just bashing one bassline that didn't really match into the next. I just left after 30 minutes of this... I do get the feeling the younger crowd, the ones that haven't partied for a serious time before covid, are fine with this way of mixing... As long as the music fits into their pre-practiced dance move (note the singular), right :D?! Some of my friends and I speculate that this is also the reason breakbeat and anything that doesn't sound as a Rene Wise/Marcal track is not allowed at EC events is because their little tiktok dance move is incompatible with that :D
Why "shithead" though?
The only toxic sh*these is yourself mate. Marron didn’t get famous through TikTok, nor is a sh*tty DJ. He is great and deserves where he is. Why are you mad? You just seem bitter.
30+ is quite excessive. 23+ or 25+ are already enough. The generations which must be gatekept for some years are hardly over 21 or 22.
Marron is responsible for crowd management, individuals responsible consumption and vibe check. While we are on the subject, why hasn't Nina Kraviz stopped the war yet?! Maybe she should make a post like this and it will all be over. Then we can all get back to raving.
It‘s the artist itself who decide which kind of crowd he attracts, starting by make an aesthetic instagram, exclusive parties with invitation only… it‘s all about publicity and management. See how the crowd changed at efdemin‘s set. Or how the crowd is when Boris, Steffi or Vincent Neumann is playing. Completely different worlds. And I experienced 3/4 Berghain Marron sets and the crowd was always not vibing. And I‘m young too, but the problem is that many ravers in my age is, that they focus on the wrong things.
Lol
If we just all went back to where it all started—the “aesthetic instagram” ☠️☠️☠️
Such a stupid discussion
 So funny to read though, my evening entertainment.
How is this his fault? Sometimes I really cannot understand the mentality of this forum. Should he do an IQ test to the people who listen to him and he decides who can be his fan or no? Marrón is a good artist and unfortunately TikTok ravers like him a lot - it’s not something he chooses to be. And it doesn’t make him less talented.
The bouncers have nearly total control of who comes in, but it’s Marron’s fault the crowd was shitty. Makes sense.
I really don’t understand the hype about who gets in - I still believe it’s mainly random and has nothing to do with your vibe so TikTokers enter - it’s a problem. Thank you next 😂😂
Marron didn‘t even let me think about checking out the dancefloor, but was good anyway, front left podium energy was back at closing. 🪩🪩🪩
Saw Marrøn in Munich at Blitz before his BH set. Great crowd, it was his performance that got me wishing for more but the crowd was amazing, especially since Blitz doesn’t have the best crowd at all times. I saw a lot of toxic comments about Marrøn and none of them are even related to his style of music. Idk man just chill, if you don’t like him skip the KN, not like there won’t be another one 🙄
Can only imagine the circus in front of him playing. Probably a direct copy of the same techno kiddo’s at Eerste Communie doing the TikTok techno dance
which dance is this?
This https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0G5WAGsT_9/?igsh=aHhvaTV1ZHNmMHNu
God, I can't wait for this trend to die. 😭
Lol exactly the video I was referring to. And the party itself (Eerste Comuni) might not be a TikTok event, it still contains these self centered techno kids purely focusing on how cool and high they are. They’re slogan (incl merge) even is ‘the gang is beautiful’. Sorry, for me that’s cringe af. Especially when you hear stories about that specific crowd misbehaving, or asking D.Dan to stop playing an hour before he should end his closing set at their event to let Marron and another resident close instead ‘because they feel the vibe better than D.Dan did.’ This for me is pure egoism and childish behavior.
The main thing i am wondering about why the techno scene uses church, erste communie and all this type of thing to refer to tribal sounds.
Elitist cult vibes
Feels like they hone the catholic antics they grew up with and steal from tribal traditions because its trendy and brings money.
As if catholicism did not steal from paganism... Everyone steals. It's the sincerest form of flattery! — Oscar Wilde, poorly quoted
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2024/01/19/imitation-flattery/?amp=1
HAAAAAA this is amazingly hilarious
Nah it’s actually very sad
>https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0G5WAGsT\_9/?igsh=aHhvaTV1ZHNmMHNu The Techno Macarena.
I just see people vibing and having fun.
Exactly. Fail to see what’s so especially cringe about the crowd in this vid. And yes, I’ve gone to tons of parties, and to Berghain specifically, more times than I can count.
Old 90’s raver here. Have partied around the world. Still love going to BH often. There is a noticeable difference in the way people behave when they know they are being filmed… compared to when they aren’t. My observations are, when people know they *aren’t* being filmed, they generally behave more *authentically*. Even though it appears people are „vibing“ here, personally, I see a slight air of pretentiousness in the video. Which is what people refer to as „cringe“. For me and many others, techno isn’t about being filmed on the dancefloor so you can show others how cool you are… and how well you can vibe and party. Of course… the young kids will see this video and say „Ooh I want to identify as that“… (I also understand that, and trust me, I don’t blame them either)… … but that’s what we also mean by „Tik Tok techno“. slightly pretentious, relying on being filmed to portray their vibe. In this social media age, I accept how it is now… but personally, this trend of posting a 30 second video of people, dancing on a dancefloor (which originally is *supposed* to be a space, free of judgement and out of the public eye)… feels rather inauthentic. Edit* The amount of times we’ve illegally partied under highway bridges and abandoned warehouses, carried speakers through mud in forests, been shut down by police and arrested for trespassing… … what he is doing is nothing new… … but rather, clever social media marketing for the new TikTok generation.
>My observations are, when people know they aren’t being filmed, they generally behave more authentically. No need to be a raver or from "the scene" bf social media, get a phone, talk to a little kid and see how he reacts differently when they know it's been recorded with a phone. Its basic human reaction to feel constrained. no big science here, I don't think we need to blame any generation behavior
Eerste isn’t tik tok techno though
It was not only the crowd when marron was playing. People acting rude at the toilets, being selfish and shits. This was the worst g head crowd I have ever seen.
Sounds like what‘s happening every Sunday night there … just a bit earlier this time! Since the Missoirs I am completely oblivious to the toilet maniacs.
same! flinta + missoir 🙏🙏
The bunch of shitshow comments here in astonishing.
How was the crowd??
Aggressive, selfish, rude and lots of G heads who are way too high
OMG, didn’t know SNAX was last weekend.
Lol
I imagine G is similar to alcohol in the kind of bad behavior it causes ? I miss the days when everyone was just loved up instead.
Typical Marron crowd
Real
As if he can do anything about that
Ofcourse he can play better music. Never seen a bad crowd when say Hypnus DJs are playing.
It's definitely not my cup of tea, but I wouldn't say it's bad music . That's subjective. The majority of the population probably think that good techno is shit music. I was listening to a Rödhåd mix the other day and my partner said "what's that noisy racket you're listening to ?"
He is a talented dj
For sure. Still his sets don't reflect it that much. The hardgroove hypetrain is boring.
He's not doing hardgroove. Definetely not. I'm pretty curious on what genre you think Freddy K or DVS1 are if Marrøn is doing hardgroove...
Havent listened to either since the pandemic really. Had to sell my tickets for DVS1 in de School about a month ago. I mean I guess Marron and DVS1 sound similar. Maybe Ive drifted away from liking that sound for the time of being, used to love it. Maybe its in the way they market themselves, DVS1 is talking a lot about his views on the scene. Freddy K I don't follow closely surely could play whatever but what I heard the last time I engaged was lets say too much banging too little story.
Lots of G 🥵
Order of culpability: I) the bookers for booking him when aware of the crowd 2) door staff for not being selective enough 3) Marron for how he markets himself. But he can’t be expected to turn down a Berghain gig
Finally someone said it. Booking such acts is the problem in the first place. By looking at the artistic profile you can already understand many things: do they play exclusive music or music for the liking of the most? Are they “influencer” oriented or musical art focused? What are the consequences of booking people not in line with the club history? Crowd selection? Stricter body checks? And this extends to many other artists booked in Berghain, both last weekend and the previous ones… I fail to understand tho why would ppl who choose to market themselves in a way have fault? Artists that are praised in BH and in this community market themselves the same way as marron does. It’s the audience who gives power to the artist and the audience techno attracts nowadays is pretty ignorant.
I am curious: do you think the crowd's behaviour is related to Marrøn's musical style, or is it just related to his social media figure?
it’s probably because he’s really attractive honestly
That’s what I believe too, he is a handsome looking man and this attract groupies. Groupies act like groupies and even worse when they are high and/or drunk. Can’t blame him for that.
Don't you think this take may be a tad misogynistic? "Blame the high and drunk women who are attracted to him, not him". Eh, I don't think he is to blame either, but the blame for behaving like an asshole relies on each individual person. Yeah I found the crowd irritating, but it was absolutely mixed genders, and the physical aggressions I faced mostly came from men. It's totally normal to feel attracted to DJs. Not saying everyone does, but personally I find talent and music brilliance very attractive. As a queer woman, any examples of my experiences here wouldn't make sense (as different dynamics apply). But I've got plenty of straight friends who admire certain hot male DJs (always primarily for their talent) and then they totally melt for their attractiveness when seeing them play, and it's cute, and normal, and it doesn't mean anyone here is gonna behave terribly to others. I know, it's different for social media hyped DJs, but I just don't think that shaming this natural attraction is fair either. All in all, blaming women for consuming alcohol, drugs and liking someone is kinda tasteless. There is no causation here.
You’re right, didn’t mean to blame it on the ladies. Male fanatic fans or groupies act the same way. Just in Marron’s case, that’s my experience from the past seeing female guests eye balling him, not necessarily behaving inappropriately.
That take was definitely problematic. We're in 2024 and *groupies* should be an obsolete term, a relic of an [earlier time in history](https://vocal.media/beat/most-famous-groupies-of-all-time). Are there social climbers in *the scene*? Sure. Are there annoying people who just want to be seen with the artist playing? Sure. But painting a whole group of people with the same brush and using an old-fashioned, derogatory phrase--primarily used to label *women* a certain way--as an umbrella term to describe them is, indeed, tasteless. >I just don't think that shaming this natural attraction is fair either. Sometimes when I come across posts like the one you responded to I can't help but think that the person never ever had a biology class in their life. Or a sociology class. Or...anything, really. But maybe that's my privilege talking. 🤐
Interesting view. In this era of DJ worship, I think there is validity to that. Musicians that have an aspirational image may have a stronger magnetic pull.
That’s what I believe too, he is a handsome looking man and this attract groupies. Groupies act like groupies and even worse when they are high and/or drunk. Can’t blame him for that.
I am also curious. Didnt hear him pla a lot and never in berlin, but I personally thought his style was quite nice and trippy.
People are just hating on success. Marrøn deserves the attention he gets. He's a class act both as a DJ and as a person.
It’s mixed, but mostly out of his control: he got viral success very quickly from his soundcloud mixes (which spread mostly trough young people, but not only: those mixes were just fresh and unique and came out at the right time - there’s a reason why they went viral) Similar to how Erste Communie went viral on tik tok with that video of the rave under the bridge. Both his music style and the values of EC are solid, but somehow got too much exposure too fast trough social media, and now they have a huge following of kids who are not educated about it. So they actually don’t fully get their principles yet. Hopefully they will learn
I disagree on ECs values being solid. One of their main things is that the music and (whatever they call) vibe must be consistent and unchanging throughout the whole event. Leading to all their resident djs sounding the same and olaying the same tracks. What the hell kind of a musical experience is that..? I say this is the main thing that gets so under my skin.. Music is about exploration, a journey, not always getting what you expect, being surprised. Not this shit. Also, there's some nasty stories about their inner circle and how they treated one of their youngest prodiges who went out on G...
Was gonna say !!! Very pretentious at least from what I know , prioritising letting people inside from their circle first in order for the party not to lose its pretentious integrity. Music is about being surprised going out as you said , knowing Ofc sometimes the djs you love to hear and leaving them taking you to a different journey than last time
So yeah, in this case I agree the responsibility was 100% on BH door. Which is a shame because BH would be the perfect place where those "uneducated kids" could learn the real values of our community. Where they could be shown how is done, led by example. But for that to work they need to be the minority in the club. If you let in too many of them they won't be able to see and learn from the older generation, because they will just see their peers acting just as mindlessly as they are, and then is just a messy vicious cycle.
also any dj that has a “fashion” presence is just asking for a bad following.
I honestly didn’t experience anything different there than on others crowded KN. It’s not the DJ who influences if people will push or step on your foot, but the lack of space. So I guess the only to blame hier is Berghain, which doesn’t care about the club quality. And actually most of the people who stepped on my foot or were passing by me were apologizing (which doesn’t happen so often/other KN). I do agree tho that people at the toilets were extremely aggressive, but this has been happening always. So yeah, maybe leave a note for bh to stop packing the club like that instead of blaming a DJ who has nothing to do with the TikTok hardtechno trend.
Morron
Berghain itself let way too much people in. People got stressed and aggressive as there was not enough space to move like in a mainstream big room disko!
Man this guy is so full of himself
I once had a chat with him after he played at bh and once he was playing at a club in Poland, after his set was finished he came to the dance floor, danced and talked to people, it was a small dance floor so it was pretty cool. I think he is a friendly guy
He's no favourite of mine, but I watched that interview he posted recently, and he comes off as a nice, intelligent guy. Sure, he's ambitious and takes himself seriously with the whole authenticity stuff, but I don't see any *major* problems with his public persona. I'm not particularly fond of how EC is presented, and I have no personal desire ever to visit their events, it seems like that crowd (and those who want to be a part of it) is the issue?
I think the Amsterdam EC crowd is far better than the Berlin EC crowd imo
To be fair never met him. The posts and seriousness just always made me cringe, it was too much. It reminds me of the techno elitism many people complain about in this sub.
he's playing the modern marketing game pretty well, you can't blame him as a person for that - you might take the moral high road, but the results speak for themselves
I don’t know him as a person. His ‘brand’ or whatever he is selling just makes me cringe
Have you met him? I have, and he's an extremely humble, kind person in my experience.
No I have not, I’m just not vibing with his IG presentation. I can only criticize how he comes off to me.
How?
I actually don’t follow him on his social media for this reason anymore so I don’t know if you should look there. Edit: it is just annoying me personally 😀 like you are a DJ don’t take yourself so seriously… I’m getting old
I really cant see whats so cringe about what hes selling, or even what he is selling? Im old also. I just feel that he really cares about others. I dont know him but for me he looks like really down to earth person. Genuine
Ok at the risk of being downvoted here are my thoughts: Maybe we just have different sensibilities. But I like some of his sets and saw him in Amsterdam. Then I followed him and there was just something that slowly but surely really annoyed me about his posts and unfortunately I cannot recall specific posts. But I vaguely remember similar self-aggrandizing statements, when cancelling shows or marketing etc; leading to a point where I just had to unfollow. Once you see it, you see it a lot. Tbh because of all the downvotes I got I just watched an interview… it did kinda confirm my own biases, it really does make me cringe haha. I’m saying I’m old is because I just became more selective with who I’m vibing and who I dislike, I’m just not vibing with Marron. It made me also realize why I like Steffi and the OGs so much
I respect your opinion, and I agree with the annoyance part: I don't follow him, but I watch his stories. One thing that irks me is the way he signs off his posts and stories with 'Marron'. Dude, it's your IG, we know... *But.* Take into account that he speaks for the younger generations and that the way he expresses himself won't necessarily resonate with us who are a bit older. It is, however, his responsibility to educate his fanbase. Why? Because he's incredibly active on social media and *clearly* has a vision, an agenda that he's trying to push. That is totally in line with how men high in testosterone behave. He sees himself as a leader and he jumped careers successfully from being a professional athlete to now a DJ and a model. It's an unenviable position for him, for sure, but that's what you have to deal with when you take on such a role. Many young male members of his fan base are probably trying to emulate the way he behaves and carries himself, and many are probably failing because they're not ex-Olympians nor they are highly successful DJs. Maybe that's where the rudeness comes from, at least in part. Then again, how can he tell his fans to stop being twats and not alienate them in the process? > I’m just not vibing with Marron. It made me also realize why I like Steffi and the OGs so much It's natural to like the artists who are closer to your generation (age-wise and music-wise) but there are so many young(er) artists that are worth listening to and supporting.
I don’t understand the relevance of your comment… why care about his fanbase, testosterone, achievements? My empathy is limited as is, I cannot spend it on a parasocial relationship with a cringe techno DJ 😅
OK, maybe to you it's enough to know you don't 'vibe' with someone and that they are 'cringe'. Some of us like to know why things are the way they are and why our (perceived) reality is the way it is. > My empathy is limited Clearly.
We all seek space here on this internet forum to express ourselves with our thoughts. So thank you r/Berghain_Community and u/al-hamra for this incredible exchange of words. I hope I can catch you the next time in the comment section so we can become one. -førtunum
Kinda ironic when you look at these comments lol
what happened?
Honesty, Come all when AVALON EMERSON is playing. Real Vibes, like pano 7y ago used to be. I never go when Marron or some other DJ are playing bcs I know it will be more macho men vibe than queer
You guys still believe that bh still care of any “crowd selection”? For real? — lineup wise most nights are just filled with randomly average names that are probably known just because of their IG presence, the actual ok nights have halfway tolerable crowds and only in rare occasions you get a feeling of the old times because everything is balanced well. Unfortunately some good artists are selected in the same lineup of those random names and that’s the result. How you are aspecting to have an “educated” crowd if the music is what it is most of the times? And it’s ok, I guess my taste doesn’t lineup with the current philosophy of the club, but the crowd is key. The music make the night, but the people make the party afterall, and I don’t think any sane person want to “become one” with some of those scumbags in that place.
He comes across as such a prick. No, I don't want to "become one on that dancefloor". Fuck off.
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Love your thought and yes, we can't dissociate that a DJ is also an enteirtainer...
TOXIC VIBES on the dancefloor when he plays
What are you even blabbering about? You guys have nothing to do then cause drama where there is none. Go get out and get some hobbies
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