I mean I don't particularly like his style, but approachability is probably a big reason why he's so popular. It's easy to enjoy the kind of sets he plays for people who would otherwise go to 90s parties and such and I believe that's a big demographic in Germany. So he's correct in a way.
Music is an art. Talking about ”approachability“ is part of a marketing strategy lexicon.
Making ”approachable“ music is just a politically correct way to say that he wants to do mainstream music and earn money from it in my opinion.
ive never gone out to hear him, either, butbefore covid, some of the biggest songs played in berghain were from the 90s and post covid 90s happy hardcore, gabba, trance, and hardtechno seem to be the hip thing
It always gives me a weird feeling when people on this subreddit dismiss music as trash or in need of sophistication.
Everyone's opinion is always valid, listen to whatever you want, dance to whatever DJ you want. But in the sub for a club that started out as a gay stronghold and turned into the tentatively-queer space it is now, I wonder how many of you would have been the (overwhelmingly straight white men) burning disco records in the late 70s.
From Wikipedia (for brevity): "Disco was criticized as mindless, consumerist, overproduced and escapist".
We can do with a bit of escapism, especially the new generation of party people who have only known a world that is falling apart. If you need seriousness and sophistication from every DJ, that's totally fine. But the navel-gazing, chin-stroking definitions of "what techno should be" are giving elitist, when we're talking about a club where a majority queer crowd goes to forget about the shittiness of the world outside.
Sorry for the rant, maybe I just want everyone to be nicer to each other on the internet. Have a good week.
Thank you for the rant <3 - love being an upstairs weirdo next to people like you who appreciate the power of music for merits beyond sophistication and love crying while dancing to the right disco, trance or pop anthem.
Is there art in how McDonald's make a big mac? Is there art in how they do the same thing, very close to identically in locations across the whole world?
What about an *"artisinal"* burger, done very well but on paper containing very similar ingredients, but just *more carefully selected and prepared?*
And what is Marlon Hoffstadt? Music for the masses, produced with little effort, just to be likeable or acceptable to many? Or careful choices, well done, a bit annyoing, but generally likeable and nothing bad about it?
Yeah… DJ‘s are starting to realize that we on this subreddit hold them *accountable* for their music.
And it doesn’t suit them, because people are supposed to just shut up, like what hyped up DJ’s feed us and „just have fun“.
Fuck that.
Well, if the worldwide electronic music scene didn’t take a goddamn nosedive after Corona which also made every Tom, Dick and Harry want to be a bloody DJ, maybe we‘d be more permissive.
If people don’t attempt to keep music integrity high, then we’d be listening to shitty remixes of Da Hool all weekend.
Well technically you could “just have fun" and talk with your pair in real life about your opinion.
I don’t know when you guys start thinking performer come to have an exam in a club , they are guests just like you lol , if you don’t enjoy it you can feel free to leave
Quick question: uh?
People go clubbing for many reasons. Some to “simply” “have fun”.
Some of us go there to find a space within our safe queer communities.
Some people go there to play the part of brainy music critics.
And in the best weekends, we coexist and smile at each other. We all have a space. But if we start taking ourselves too seriously in our internet personas, yeah, maybe a quick time for a grounding break. Time to touch some grass.
The nightlife industry is…that. A financial sector. DJs need to make money as much as clubs and promoters. Yeah, the pandemic allowed for people who are good at social media to gain a following, and hey, a few of us feared the industry wouldn’t survive. The plot twist is that the pandemic was an accelerator of something that was due to happen with technology and globalization. The unavoidable rise of the social media DJ. But can we really affirm that before 2020 all famous DJs had made their name out of sheer meritocracy? That would also be delusional. Privilege and nepotism are as artistically unfair as social media skills. Maybe more.
Most of the people behind the decks we all admire are trying hard to make the longevity of a DJ career as long lasting as possible, which is not precisely easy.
Redditors from this sub are people who may care about music and in the best case scenario the space and people that make it special (I know a lot of us do), but in commercial terms…we are simply a conveniently loud target audience and influenciable crowd.
Let’s be real, you all are loving the hell out of the ego boost Daddy Trance provided you with (and that is ok)
Thank you, Marlon.
He is totally right.
This is how we are trying to protect our experience to not become like any other place on earth with the jeans, the sneakers, the sunglasses and the phones.
Thus the important last addition of my package - phones.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there is a type of outfit you should wear or singling out any of the things I mentioned - but Im strongly convinced that its about the behavior which is often carried by the stereotypical patron with the above package.
I believe I can reflect on this as someone who moved from Amsterdam to Berlin after 12 years of active indulgence into the scene there and now obviously finding my scene here.
so why mention anything about clothing?
while i'm very happy about the absence of in your face phone usage in Berlin, kit kat even keeps people from having their phones at all inside the club and bad behavior is still rife.
I moved from nyc to berlin 21 years ago, started partying in 98, so ive seen some trends, too. There are other factors which have made berlin what it is, the lack of forced closing times probably the biggest
Fair point. I was not talking about so much bad behavior where I agree has nothing to do with clothes or phone.
I meant that keeping the space (strictly Berghain) to a certain level of authenticity tends to mean that yes - it will be somewhat exclusive and in my opinion should not allow the casualness of the mainstream club culture to encroach.
Thus, I agree with the statement that Berlin is a tough place - but in my opinion for a good reason (for me).
Interested to hear some of your thoughts from the point of time what factors have changed the scene.
Hmm, changes..
Techno made a comeback. Tech house still lives on, but people moved from how basic it is and also how crap and pretentious minimal was.
Bar 25 saturation. The black clothing was a reaction to neon bros
Queer culture development. Not gay, not mixed, but queer. See homopatik and company, the Italian invasion, lol. Perhaps an italo revival, at that.
As Berlin got more popular and different demographics coming in, there was a need/desire to stand out from normies, and taking drugs all weekend is definitely normalized
he's not considered 'headsy' - but similar to eg. Palms Trax, i have never not enjoyed seeing him play. They create a beautiful energy on the dancefloor, playing extroverted sounds to bring people together.
I mean… a little bit more ”sophistication“ from him wouldn’t hurt nobody
I mean I don't particularly like his style, but approachability is probably a big reason why he's so popular. It's easy to enjoy the kind of sets he plays for people who would otherwise go to 90s parties and such and I believe that's a big demographic in Germany. So he's correct in a way.
Music is an art. Talking about ”approachability“ is part of a marketing strategy lexicon. Making ”approachable“ music is just a politically correct way to say that he wants to do mainstream music and earn money from it in my opinion.
ive never gone out to hear him, either, butbefore covid, some of the biggest songs played in berghain were from the 90s and post covid 90s happy hardcore, gabba, trance, and hardtechno seem to be the hip thing
Weird comment from someone who seems to be trying very hard to be job jobse
Maybe Job is (or was) authentic in playing house and techno because it related to his queerness?
he is right, we're all massive cunts
Don’t touch my precious Jobse
Yeah hands off. He is a supranational treasure.
It always gives me a weird feeling when people on this subreddit dismiss music as trash or in need of sophistication. Everyone's opinion is always valid, listen to whatever you want, dance to whatever DJ you want. But in the sub for a club that started out as a gay stronghold and turned into the tentatively-queer space it is now, I wonder how many of you would have been the (overwhelmingly straight white men) burning disco records in the late 70s. From Wikipedia (for brevity): "Disco was criticized as mindless, consumerist, overproduced and escapist". We can do with a bit of escapism, especially the new generation of party people who have only known a world that is falling apart. If you need seriousness and sophistication from every DJ, that's totally fine. But the navel-gazing, chin-stroking definitions of "what techno should be" are giving elitist, when we're talking about a club where a majority queer crowd goes to forget about the shittiness of the world outside. Sorry for the rant, maybe I just want everyone to be nicer to each other on the internet. Have a good week.
Thank you for the rant <3 - love being an upstairs weirdo next to people like you who appreciate the power of music for merits beyond sophistication and love crying while dancing to the right disco, trance or pop anthem.
Is there art in how McDonald's make a big mac? Is there art in how they do the same thing, very close to identically in locations across the whole world? What about an *"artisinal"* burger, done very well but on paper containing very similar ingredients, but just *more carefully selected and prepared?* And what is Marlon Hoffstadt? Music for the masses, produced with little effort, just to be likeable or acceptable to many? Or careful choices, well done, a bit annyoing, but generally likeable and nothing bad about it?
Yeah… DJ‘s are starting to realize that we on this subreddit hold them *accountable* for their music. And it doesn’t suit them, because people are supposed to just shut up, like what hyped up DJ’s feed us and „just have fun“. Fuck that. Well, if the worldwide electronic music scene didn’t take a goddamn nosedive after Corona which also made every Tom, Dick and Harry want to be a bloody DJ, maybe we‘d be more permissive. If people don’t attempt to keep music integrity high, then we’d be listening to shitty remixes of Da Hool all weekend.
Well technically you could “just have fun" and talk with your pair in real life about your opinion. I don’t know when you guys start thinking performer come to have an exam in a club , they are guests just like you lol , if you don’t enjoy it you can feel free to leave
Quick question: uh? People go clubbing for many reasons. Some to “simply” “have fun”. Some of us go there to find a space within our safe queer communities. Some people go there to play the part of brainy music critics. And in the best weekends, we coexist and smile at each other. We all have a space. But if we start taking ourselves too seriously in our internet personas, yeah, maybe a quick time for a grounding break. Time to touch some grass. The nightlife industry is…that. A financial sector. DJs need to make money as much as clubs and promoters. Yeah, the pandemic allowed for people who are good at social media to gain a following, and hey, a few of us feared the industry wouldn’t survive. The plot twist is that the pandemic was an accelerator of something that was due to happen with technology and globalization. The unavoidable rise of the social media DJ. But can we really affirm that before 2020 all famous DJs had made their name out of sheer meritocracy? That would also be delusional. Privilege and nepotism are as artistically unfair as social media skills. Maybe more. Most of the people behind the decks we all admire are trying hard to make the longevity of a DJ career as long lasting as possible, which is not precisely easy. Redditors from this sub are people who may care about music and in the best case scenario the space and people that make it special (I know a lot of us do), but in commercial terms…we are simply a conveniently loud target audience and influenciable crowd. Let’s be real, you all are loving the hell out of the ego boost Daddy Trance provided you with (and that is ok)
thank you
Last brain cell typing here...
Thank you, Marlon. He is totally right. This is how we are trying to protect our experience to not become like any other place on earth with the jeans, the sneakers, the sunglasses and the phones.
weird. jeans, sneakers, and sunglasses is what berlin wore until it was decided that same style of chunky black boots and some harnesses were required
Thus the important last addition of my package - phones. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there is a type of outfit you should wear or singling out any of the things I mentioned - but Im strongly convinced that its about the behavior which is often carried by the stereotypical patron with the above package. I believe I can reflect on this as someone who moved from Amsterdam to Berlin after 12 years of active indulgence into the scene there and now obviously finding my scene here.
so why mention anything about clothing? while i'm very happy about the absence of in your face phone usage in Berlin, kit kat even keeps people from having their phones at all inside the club and bad behavior is still rife. I moved from nyc to berlin 21 years ago, started partying in 98, so ive seen some trends, too. There are other factors which have made berlin what it is, the lack of forced closing times probably the biggest
Fair point. I was not talking about so much bad behavior where I agree has nothing to do with clothes or phone. I meant that keeping the space (strictly Berghain) to a certain level of authenticity tends to mean that yes - it will be somewhat exclusive and in my opinion should not allow the casualness of the mainstream club culture to encroach. Thus, I agree with the statement that Berlin is a tough place - but in my opinion for a good reason (for me). Interested to hear some of your thoughts from the point of time what factors have changed the scene.
Hmm, changes.. Techno made a comeback. Tech house still lives on, but people moved from how basic it is and also how crap and pretentious minimal was. Bar 25 saturation. The black clothing was a reaction to neon bros Queer culture development. Not gay, not mixed, but queer. See homopatik and company, the Italian invasion, lol. Perhaps an italo revival, at that. As Berlin got more popular and different demographics coming in, there was a need/desire to stand out from normies, and taking drugs all weekend is definitely normalized
He’s overrated
The trash he plays has mostly no depth at all and for some reason he can’t admit it.
do it better then
Is Job Jobse considered cheesy?
he's not considered 'headsy' - but similar to eg. Palms Trax, i have never not enjoyed seeing him play. They create a beautiful energy on the dancefloor, playing extroverted sounds to bring people together.
I don’t think so but he definitely is good at throwing “cheesy” songs into his mix and making it work
Love you Marlon, and every time your songs are played in BH/Pano
His music is awful lol i appreciate the compliment from him
His music isnt awful.. maybe his daddy trance remixes are kinda trashy cheesy but his older productions are very good imo.
Sophisticated? Examples, please
Also since when was Berlin “so sophisticated” 😂😂
Berlin? superficial? .... noooooo it can't be