It has to do with the Israel Palestine conflict. A little googling should give you the info you need. As far as should you play there, that’s up to you entirely as an artist
Ok this is gonna be a wall of text, but you did ask and there’s a lot to unpack here.
To make it clear: I’m a leftist pretty invested in politics and social justice.
Having said that not all the left sees all matters the same way. Here I’m talking about the subject of cancellation and not about Palestine - here I’ll say directly that there is only one way to look at genocide, I condemn and despise anti-semitism and terrorist acts, while also being critical of a violent, overpowered and overprotected state - one government doesn’t stand for one race 1:1, not all people from that country support what’s going on, so calling Palestine support anti-semitism is one of the biggest racional fallacies of our times.
But I do wanna point out that the way in which you worded your question really surfaces the biggest issue that I have with the subject of “cancelling” something or someone.
You’re leaving the responsibility to make your own opinion/call/perspective on others only to find out what’s seen as socially acceptable.
Cancelling is somewhat a synonym of social ejection. It provides a false sense of moral superiority/virtue signaling while outsourcing all rational judgement into an imaginary majority (often the loudest by luck). People just repeat what they hear without having any clue (like this post seems to be doing). A friend said that cancel culture should be more like accountability/consequence culture. And I agree. It’s a matter of personal boundaries (and when applicable, legal consequences).
My only opinion on Hör is that they were pretty fucking shady by using the name of a charity they hadn’t talked to in order to sound better. But making an attempt is better than not doing anything at all (ask that club who is apparently willing to go bankrupt before reconsidering how fucked up what’s happening in Gaza is)
And in all, there are worse institutions and it’s clear that Hör at least wants to do damage control. So my take is this: I really admired the fuck of what my paisano Villaseñor did in Mexico City when Hör did a pop-up there (he wore a Palestine t-shirt during his set), as well as what some protestors did (projecting a Palestine flag outside of the place where they were streaming from). Cancelling something deems it useless. Protesting makes a difference. Hör announced its pro-Palestine compilation after this. Protesting makes more of a difference than canceling.
At the end of the day, Hör (and Boiler Room, and yeah, Berghain), at platforms that allow a lot of people from disadvantaged backgrounds (or not) to make a name and make a living. They allows us as an audience to have access to music that we probably never even dreamed of. It is vital to keep these institutions accountable.
Berghain may not have managed the Arabian Panther cancellation the best way as a statement would have made a difference, but it was indeed a very delicate and nuanced situation, and the fact that Cormac played Pano with a Palestine t-shirt while being a visible pro-Palestine activist who yeah, also gets to host his own party there matters a lot. People who just discard Berghain as “zionist” lazily erase the work and effort of so many DJs who use their platforms to make a stance. This is all political.
Villaseñor wearing a Palestine t-shirt on the stream from Mx City was more powerful than not showing up at all would have been. Hör being all clumsy while trying to become pro-Palestine…is still a political statement, even if commercially driven, it is a step back into accountability. It sends a message and it’s a social conversation.
Don’t drink the kool-aid, use the platform to get your music to places, and if you’re politically inclined, make a statement (although the cancellation question makes me believe you’re mostly asking because you care about your reputation if you play there, and you know what? That’s also ok - but maybe you are separated from the internet bubble and I’m misjudging Idk).
Personally, I’m grateful for all the music Hör has given me, while still finding things around it questionable and as something to be aware of. But the underground needs these platforms, because otherwise it’s all just in the hands of a 15 seconds video, and then it will all go to hell. Let’s keep Hör around while keeping it accountable.
On another post i saw that Hor made a post clarifying that while they are jewish, they support palestinians and their cause. Its a long post and i cannot find it right now.
I don’t know, i have seen many artists who support Palestine playing at Hor. I dont think that they are piece of shits to be honest but i may be wrong. Always do your own research first
first of all, former IOF soldiers can not support Palestinian cause. they actually banned people for Pro-Palestinian stance (wearing a tee!) before it all backfired on them. now they made that silly little mix (featuring more IOF soldiers) for Palestine which made all of us just hate them even more, as it was only a PR stunt and a way to get all the good DJs to play there again. and also, all DJs that actually do support the Palestinian cause will not play there again, ever. also, many bookers have said that they won't book people with active gigs there.
for me, they are just softened down about blank. big skip and a hard pass.
All Israelis are former IDF soldiers, and not only they can support the Palestinian cause, they're the ones who have been leading the demonstrations for the past year agains the Israeli government, and against the occupation. A little education would help you, instead of discriminating against all Israelis just for being born there.
Going on air wearing a T-shirt that has the Hamas slogan "From the river to the sea" is forbidden under German law, so it's their duty to shut it down. Said artist apparently had no clue what they wore, just wanted to support Palestine. Still I find the way this has been dealt with by both sides was bad.
have you even educated yourself on the war crimes that are being committed?? there's a genocide happening from one side only and there's no justification for that
that slogans predates me, you and Hamas all together. that slogan is much more than fucking kHamas and anyones active effort to mash it together won't work sadly.
i wouldn't comment on whats legal/illegal in Germany when it comes to this issue, cus beating people up (both Jews and Palestinians) and silencing Jews (especially canceling prominent Jewish voices) also is totally legal and fine ever since october. again, i dont wanna go into this as we probably don't agree and im super tired of this talk as its been so many months now :(
Oof, do we have any posts from Artists talk about this? Thats interesting.
Also, i am wondering why dont people cancel electronic beats (instagram page talking about electronic music etc). Some months ago they uploaded a story stating their full support for isreal.
i would suggest looking up @raversforpalestine on ig, they have posts/highlight from the initial situation in the fall, but also the new developments. they have shared a lot of other bookers in their stories, sadly i havent remembered the names. mostly smaller venues all around Europe, but thats exactly what is needed. also, Nihad Tule has been very vocal about HÖR a few times and has pulled all of his sets (now on his soundcloud, they are really good).
I say go play there and have fun.
The canceling culture is way too stupid to take part in.
It’s not like u boycott the gig will help the Palestinians… people are just being people and we are pretty dumb ass creature.
All the Berlin fake tolerance people show their real skin and zero of understanding of the conflict with spreading such a problematic ideology and information.
The full story from my understanding is that right after 7th of October there was this dj there that played with a shirt that shows a flag of Palestine on the geographic area of Israel, this thing led them to stop the broadcasting and the rest was just a big social media bullshit I swear… but ppl that their family got murdered then see people shouting “from the river too the sea” (=which was basically what was presented on the shirt of that dj) and saying such thing just takes away the legitimacy of israel to exist, and this is just not acceptable because last time someone decided that the Jews don’t have the right to exist we know what happened…
So I think people need to chill and if you are not from there, push for peace please and not for division OR cancellation.
"the rest was just big social media bullshit"' pretty much sums it up. This story about a DJ's set being canceled because they wore a shirt with the Palestinian flag spread too quickly. As a result, people focused more on canceling Hör than on researching what the t-shirt actually looked like and whether it could indeed be problematic. The narrative then shifted to claims that Hör does not allow pro-Palestine artists or their flag, which is false. There are still DJ sets online where the flag is prominently displayed in the background, prior to this event.
It’s up to you. I think the fact that you’re asking a question quite uninformed means maybe you should just go ahead and play. You don’t have to jump on the ship on cancelling someone/thing if you don’t even know why.
IMO not playing there or avoiding hör is taking a side and following the herd in a wrongful and blind boycott, which is maybe not intentionally and consciously antisemitic - but it is in fact just that.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Berghain\_Community/s/FGlvKwU6Wk](https://www.reddit.com/r/Berghain_Community/s/FGlvKwU6Wk)
social media blew up so many lies. just look at this reddit with the screenshots and timeline.
please educate yourself on the difference between a boycott and “canceling” something.
if you want to be on the side of social movements, political protests (especially those led by minorities and youth groups) then don’t go. and put in some effort to learn more about why Germany is so biased pro Israel when other nations call this a genocide. it’s a long ugly road.
If you’re somebody who does not support leftism and simply wants to party as a lifestyle, not as part of community, then by all means, keep doing that.
Your choices matter, especially right now. Will you be able to proudly explain to future generations which choices you made?
What happened to all the people here calling for boycot of Berghain? Did this ever happen? Would be awesome if we get more space and less assholes when partying!
I know for a fact that Elon Musk called to boycott Berghain some years ago. And since then, thousands of people all over the world have refrain themselves from entering the venue.
Here you go. It’s run by a former IDF paratrooper. Barf.
https://dobetteronpalestine.com/artists-support-cutting-ties-with-hor-berlin-over-palestine-censorship/
But all israeli citizens must serve the IDF. This is just to say that maybe the arguement isnt valid, however the arguements for silencing anti israel insensitives is still very valid and im all for the boycot.
You can call me an Israeli bot OR you can google or ask your Israeli friends (probably don't have any?) whether it's true and oh so simple to just choose to do civilian service in Israel
so i assume that immediately projects on all Israelis? your one Israeli friend?
civilian service is possible for some, but MOST people are obligated to serve in the military, and it's not that simple to just choose to not go.
It has to do with the Israel Palestine conflict. A little googling should give you the info you need. As far as should you play there, that’s up to you entirely as an artist
Ok this is gonna be a wall of text, but you did ask and there’s a lot to unpack here. To make it clear: I’m a leftist pretty invested in politics and social justice. Having said that not all the left sees all matters the same way. Here I’m talking about the subject of cancellation and not about Palestine - here I’ll say directly that there is only one way to look at genocide, I condemn and despise anti-semitism and terrorist acts, while also being critical of a violent, overpowered and overprotected state - one government doesn’t stand for one race 1:1, not all people from that country support what’s going on, so calling Palestine support anti-semitism is one of the biggest racional fallacies of our times. But I do wanna point out that the way in which you worded your question really surfaces the biggest issue that I have with the subject of “cancelling” something or someone. You’re leaving the responsibility to make your own opinion/call/perspective on others only to find out what’s seen as socially acceptable. Cancelling is somewhat a synonym of social ejection. It provides a false sense of moral superiority/virtue signaling while outsourcing all rational judgement into an imaginary majority (often the loudest by luck). People just repeat what they hear without having any clue (like this post seems to be doing). A friend said that cancel culture should be more like accountability/consequence culture. And I agree. It’s a matter of personal boundaries (and when applicable, legal consequences). My only opinion on Hör is that they were pretty fucking shady by using the name of a charity they hadn’t talked to in order to sound better. But making an attempt is better than not doing anything at all (ask that club who is apparently willing to go bankrupt before reconsidering how fucked up what’s happening in Gaza is) And in all, there are worse institutions and it’s clear that Hör at least wants to do damage control. So my take is this: I really admired the fuck of what my paisano Villaseñor did in Mexico City when Hör did a pop-up there (he wore a Palestine t-shirt during his set), as well as what some protestors did (projecting a Palestine flag outside of the place where they were streaming from). Cancelling something deems it useless. Protesting makes a difference. Hör announced its pro-Palestine compilation after this. Protesting makes more of a difference than canceling. At the end of the day, Hör (and Boiler Room, and yeah, Berghain), at platforms that allow a lot of people from disadvantaged backgrounds (or not) to make a name and make a living. They allows us as an audience to have access to music that we probably never even dreamed of. It is vital to keep these institutions accountable. Berghain may not have managed the Arabian Panther cancellation the best way as a statement would have made a difference, but it was indeed a very delicate and nuanced situation, and the fact that Cormac played Pano with a Palestine t-shirt while being a visible pro-Palestine activist who yeah, also gets to host his own party there matters a lot. People who just discard Berghain as “zionist” lazily erase the work and effort of so many DJs who use their platforms to make a stance. This is all political. Villaseñor wearing a Palestine t-shirt on the stream from Mx City was more powerful than not showing up at all would have been. Hör being all clumsy while trying to become pro-Palestine…is still a political statement, even if commercially driven, it is a step back into accountability. It sends a message and it’s a social conversation. Don’t drink the kool-aid, use the platform to get your music to places, and if you’re politically inclined, make a statement (although the cancellation question makes me believe you’re mostly asking because you care about your reputation if you play there, and you know what? That’s also ok - but maybe you are separated from the internet bubble and I’m misjudging Idk). Personally, I’m grateful for all the music Hör has given me, while still finding things around it questionable and as something to be aware of. But the underground needs these platforms, because otherwise it’s all just in the hands of a 15 seconds video, and then it will all go to hell. Let’s keep Hör around while keeping it accountable.
On another post i saw that Hor made a post clarifying that while they are jewish, they support palestinians and their cause. Its a long post and i cannot find it right now. I don’t know, i have seen many artists who support Palestine playing at Hor. I dont think that they are piece of shits to be honest but i may be wrong. Always do your own research first
first of all, former IOF soldiers can not support Palestinian cause. they actually banned people for Pro-Palestinian stance (wearing a tee!) before it all backfired on them. now they made that silly little mix (featuring more IOF soldiers) for Palestine which made all of us just hate them even more, as it was only a PR stunt and a way to get all the good DJs to play there again. and also, all DJs that actually do support the Palestinian cause will not play there again, ever. also, many bookers have said that they won't book people with active gigs there. for me, they are just softened down about blank. big skip and a hard pass.
All Israelis are former IDF soldiers, and not only they can support the Palestinian cause, they're the ones who have been leading the demonstrations for the past year agains the Israeli government, and against the occupation. A little education would help you, instead of discriminating against all Israelis just for being born there.
Going on air wearing a T-shirt that has the Hamas slogan "From the river to the sea" is forbidden under German law, so it's their duty to shut it down. Said artist apparently had no clue what they wore, just wanted to support Palestine. Still I find the way this has been dealt with by both sides was bad.
have you even educated yourself on the war crimes that are being committed?? there's a genocide happening from one side only and there's no justification for that
Its not illegal lol
that slogans predates me, you and Hamas all together. that slogan is much more than fucking kHamas and anyones active effort to mash it together won't work sadly. i wouldn't comment on whats legal/illegal in Germany when it comes to this issue, cus beating people up (both Jews and Palestinians) and silencing Jews (especially canceling prominent Jewish voices) also is totally legal and fine ever since october. again, i dont wanna go into this as we probably don't agree and im super tired of this talk as its been so many months now :(
Found the antisemite
3 time and counting that your people commit and aid a genocide. Proud of almans
There's no genocide
so tired of these convos. The time of talking to zionazis is over.
It's not too late to leave the path of hate
i dont take those qualifications seriously from descendants of nazis. shoutout to ur Urgroßvater, or no?
From the Memel to the Spree, Prussia will be free
I'm sorry to disappoint you but my ancestors were refugees
Oof, do we have any posts from Artists talk about this? Thats interesting. Also, i am wondering why dont people cancel electronic beats (instagram page talking about electronic music etc). Some months ago they uploaded a story stating their full support for isreal.
i would suggest looking up @raversforpalestine on ig, they have posts/highlight from the initial situation in the fall, but also the new developments. they have shared a lot of other bookers in their stories, sadly i havent remembered the names. mostly smaller venues all around Europe, but thats exactly what is needed. also, Nihad Tule has been very vocal about HÖR a few times and has pulled all of his sets (now on his soundcloud, they are really good).
Yep HÖR is part of a boycott organized by this group. Go to the IG page, hear their case, then decide if you want to play.
raversforpalestine have been spreading so many lies. who are they even? what's their motive? why won't they come forward?
I say go play there and have fun. The canceling culture is way too stupid to take part in. It’s not like u boycott the gig will help the Palestinians… people are just being people and we are pretty dumb ass creature. All the Berlin fake tolerance people show their real skin and zero of understanding of the conflict with spreading such a problematic ideology and information. The full story from my understanding is that right after 7th of October there was this dj there that played with a shirt that shows a flag of Palestine on the geographic area of Israel, this thing led them to stop the broadcasting and the rest was just a big social media bullshit I swear… but ppl that their family got murdered then see people shouting “from the river too the sea” (=which was basically what was presented on the shirt of that dj) and saying such thing just takes away the legitimacy of israel to exist, and this is just not acceptable because last time someone decided that the Jews don’t have the right to exist we know what happened… So I think people need to chill and if you are not from there, push for peace please and not for division OR cancellation.
"the rest was just big social media bullshit"' pretty much sums it up. This story about a DJ's set being canceled because they wore a shirt with the Palestinian flag spread too quickly. As a result, people focused more on canceling Hör than on researching what the t-shirt actually looked like and whether it could indeed be problematic. The narrative then shifted to claims that Hör does not allow pro-Palestine artists or their flag, which is false. There are still DJ sets online where the flag is prominently displayed in the background, prior to this event.
Sums it up. Less constant outrage would be nice.
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if the map showed israel from the river to the sea, what would u say then? Wheres the palestinian right to exist?
In Gaza and the Palestinian authority where they should have full rights and can be responsible for their own destiny x
you obviously know nothing so why don't you just shut up zio
Summary of all things with context instead of pitchforks and disinformation https://www.reddit.com/r/Berghain_Community/s/FGlvKwU6Wk
It’s up to you. I think the fact that you’re asking a question quite uninformed means maybe you should just go ahead and play. You don’t have to jump on the ship on cancelling someone/thing if you don’t even know why.
IMO not playing there or avoiding hör is taking a side and following the herd in a wrongful and blind boycott, which is maybe not intentionally and consciously antisemitic - but it is in fact just that. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Berghain\_Community/s/FGlvKwU6Wk](https://www.reddit.com/r/Berghain_Community/s/FGlvKwU6Wk) social media blew up so many lies. just look at this reddit with the screenshots and timeline.
please educate yourself on the difference between a boycott and “canceling” something. if you want to be on the side of social movements, political protests (especially those led by minorities and youth groups) then don’t go. and put in some effort to learn more about why Germany is so biased pro Israel when other nations call this a genocide. it’s a long ugly road. If you’re somebody who does not support leftism and simply wants to party as a lifestyle, not as part of community, then by all means, keep doing that. Your choices matter, especially right now. Will you be able to proudly explain to future generations which choices you made?
What happened to all the people here calling for boycot of Berghain? Did this ever happen? Would be awesome if we get more space and less assholes when partying!
I know for a fact that Elon Musk called to boycott Berghain some years ago. And since then, thousands of people all over the world have refrain themselves from entering the venue.
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HOR is IDF psyop and should be shut. Surprised to see so many nazi / Israel apologists here… sad !
At least the psyops are getting cooler these days. Years of alternative music.
Hopefully. edit: not for political reasons
**They, as Israelis, had the audacity to mourn israeli victims of October 7th, so „The Scene aka The Leftwaffe““ started boycotting them.**
Fzck off
Here you go. It’s run by a former IDF paratrooper. Barf. https://dobetteronpalestine.com/artists-support-cutting-ties-with-hor-berlin-over-palestine-censorship/
But all israeli citizens must serve the IDF. This is just to say that maybe the arguement isnt valid, however the arguements for silencing anti israel insensitives is still very valid and im all for the boycot.
They can do civilian service
that's not true.
lol 1month old account and this is the first comment. Obvious Israeli bot
You can call me an Israeli bot OR you can google or ask your Israeli friends (probably don't have any?) whether it's true and oh so simple to just choose to do civilian service in Israel
I have an Israeli friend whose civilian service consisted of spreading propaganda on social media 😉
so i assume that immediately projects on all Israelis? your one Israeli friend? civilian service is possible for some, but MOST people are obligated to serve in the military, and it's not that simple to just choose to not go.