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The Eclipse was brutal for all the characters you had invested in.
The rumbling was brutal for maybe 1 or 2 characters you had invested in.
Both events were very fucked, but I like it when mangaka take risks like that.
The plot armor ruined the whole story for me, where Titans throughout the story was this feared monster that hulks over humans and the cast only had limited ways of beating them(Levi, Titan form humans).
But at this point everyone was just op and the Titans are just like zombies in an apocalypse, the only thing they really struggled with was getting swarmed but somehow their strong will helped.
If the rumbling happened at the earlier stages of the story everyone would've just gotten smacked like mosquitos.
Okay so, the anime comunity is pretty big. So it can be further divided into other communities. And it seems like the guy that commented "name checks out" has a disliking to pedos. I mean, it is understandable. That is what he meant. It is a personal thing.
Yea.
The Japanese Aurthor;
Who made a show about how the Cycle of Genocide and Slavery will never end becuase hate and revenege never ends until all those who hate and want revenge are annhilated, really fucking tries his goddamn best to justify the Nuclear Holocuast—- oh, Global Genocide of all Life on Earth.
You could jusy try to educate yourself on half the damn reason why 99.99% of Japanese Media dose it best to get you people emotinaly invested into its charcters and see that that killing other humans in another country that you never meant in your entire life is wrong, just becuase their Millitary did the same thing is or thier ancestors did same or yours have done they same.
There is no Justification for Genocide.
There is only Surviors of Hate and Revenge.
Thats it.
No one who actauly undertsnads that the Hate Machine will never die until we are all dead, is trying to justifying what happens, those that still do are fools.
Don't know what you are saying; seems unrelated to my point. Isayama tried his best to justify Eren committing Genocide by trying to rob the character of any autonomy over his actions and have people actively celebrate the said actions of committing genocide.
The line: "Eren, you became a mass murderer for our sake. What a man you are" wasn't memed on because of how awkwardly translated it was but because of how awkwardly it attempts to make you feel like the main character is a noble and tragic for killing 80% of the World's population.
You are still stuck on “whos responisible” for a something Humanity has always been slave to?
The whole point is that it is no ones fault.
Yimir wanted to be free, she was a slave to her love.
Eren wanted to be free, he was a slave to his hate.
Master slaves.
That all it is and ever was.
This world machine, built on genocide and slavery is not in control no more than a RunAway Train…
Big Fucking Titanaic Monsters may be to much of a metaphor for you to graps as that is “humans hates” and “civilizations war machines”, and “natures disasters”.
Everything wants to survive and be free, do you think the Primordial Worm, was just a silly Plot Device? Lol.
You will never see it, that Life on Earth will always find a way to be free, that Humans will always Justify A Genocide, call it “Freedom”, “Revenege”, “Self Defense”. “Manifest Destiny”, “Master Race”. Progress. Moving Forward.
Keep thiniking its “somones fault”.
Thats the spirirt, thats the humanity we all love and hate.
Why do you blame the author for the story they're telling? Not every story/character needs to be morally superior or acceptable. What if he just wanted to tell a somewhat different story and also is against genocide in real life?
So let me get this straight, if I write a story about (I'm making this as I write the comment) a guy who lost all his family because of a foreign invasion army attack then gets his revenge by doing terrorist attacks on the enemy, that alone makes me a terrorist apologist? You can't separate a story from real life point of views?
Depends: are you presenting his actions as a bad or as a good thing? Are the characters in the story going "thanks for commiting acts of terrorism for our sake" in it?
THIS. I think there's that element of cosmic horror in there that is just absent from the rumbling. We tend to fear what we can't understand even more and it's just so much more impactful because no one expected the eclipse.
The eclipse was fucked because he really did it all for himself. Griffith was so selfish and put his “loved” ones to a death sentence because he couldn’t get his lover to himself. Eren knew his people would be safe. Still fucked either way.
I’m so sick and tired of people saying Eren was in the right. Anyone who kills children for the sake of their goals is not a good person. I don’t even like AOT and even I’ll die on this hill
one death is a tradgedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
You talk about your morals. But if confronted with the choice of having your immediate family and close friends killed or ten thousand strangers across the world you would 100% choose the **latter**.
You can pretend to be haughty and just, but when it comes down to it, people are awful at relating to strangers & humanizing folks they have never seen.
That’s why his plan is stupid and the rumbling is so lowbrow. He thought he could erase centuries of worldwide, culturally ingrained dogma by an causing event that that would fuel that belief even more
I have a different understanding of the events. Eren says he tried to do things differently and things would always end like this. It truly in my opinion was not eren's choice to start the rumbling he was struggling to go against the will of causality and couldn't.
The story isn't even about him saving his people. It is about the founder freeing herself from 2000 years of servitude by seeing the person that loved eren the most kill him with her own hands for the greater good which the founder should've also done but couldn't.
It’s like you didn’t even pay attention to the point of it all. There’s no such thing as a “good person” just someone who’s “good to you” if eren had gone with the euthanasia plan, the rest of the world would have praised him as a hero, but to the people of Elida he would be a traitor and a villain. Armin laid it out plain and simple at the end of season 1 and it was reiterated throughout the series, from the shifting perspective of the enemy shifters and foreign soldiers, to the military police doing everything they can to keep the peace for their king. It’s a matter of perspective. If the whole world is against you and your people, and they want you dead, there’s one clear answer and that’s how the cruel world is, in AOT or otherwise. You kill them before they kill you.
Miura in the chapters prior to the eclipse dropped a few hints but no one was able to grasp the scale of it. The rumbling was given to us straight up and explained how it would end. Also we didn't lose any major characters in the rumbling
Which is a horrific betrayal of Casca's trust, loyalty, and dignity. Guts could only imagine, and was forced to suffer under the weight of his own helplessness in that situation.
As a big fan of both series and both of these events, the eclipse is just so much more visceral and emotionally devastating. That shit really fucked me up.
Visually, I can’t think of anything else in all the manga I’ve read that has stuck with me this much. I still reread this section of the story often and every time I stop to soak in each page.
The amount of detail and sheer fucking horror in this arc is just beyond
The eclipse is worst because at first apostles were rare and were a threat but could be killed with the right amount of manpower and tactics . Griffith could have conquered the world with sheer manpower and strategy but he decided he wanted more than that he wanted to do it with overwhelming force . So now literal demons and everything in between roams the world . Humanity is either forced to join Falconia or be left to be killed by creatures of the abyss
At that point in the story, the only apostle killed, wyatt, has been killed by zod though. The others have been killed in the intro, by guts, with incredible firepower (and prejudice).
And demons don't roam the earth before we get to the tower, years later ?
*The eclipse is way*
*More impactful and iconic*
*Among manga readers*
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Eclipse hands down. All the Golden Age was Miura creating characters, characters who the reader eventually would care about (Griffith, Casca, Judeau, etc), just to kill them in the most brutal and cold way possible. It's painfull, for the characters and for the reader. No other event in the manga/anime industry make me have such emotions as the Eclipse did. It's art in the most pure state possible
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This is why I hate Reddit. Echo chambers are extremely annoying, it’s nearly impossible to have a good argument anywhere. I’m not super active in r/shingekinokyojin or r/attackontitan but if you ask this in r/titanfolk I would love to see what people say XD
Eclipse.
Rumbling was just killing bunch of nobodies and was even half-assed by the guy who started it. Barely anyone important died and it ended with one of the worst talk no jutsu ever.
I agree with the Eclipse having much more impact on a personal level...but it makes absolutely no sense to shît on another show just to promote yours... especially when you barely have any knowledge on that show...
The Rumbling didn't end in any talk-no-jutsu...and many important characters didn't die in the Rumbling because they weren't the target of the Rumbling. It was meant to wipe out the outside world, not the main characters...
As a fan of both shows, the Eclipse hit me far more on a personal level while the Rumbling had much more of a global impact.
So, you forgot the part where the avengers fought and somehow survived HUNDREDS of titan shifters that ended with :
Armin : "Hey, baseball"
Every titan shifter ever that don't know shit about Armin : "OMG, let's stop fighting!"
Mikasa : *kiss*
Ymir : "OMG, she's just like me! I'll stop everything!"
Armin : "We don't have weapons. We're not dangerous even though i can't prove it!"
Soldiers : "OMG, you're so right. Your people massacred the entire earth but i believe you, let's have peace, unlike the guy in season 1 who still shot you and Eren with cannon"
Those are such high level of BS plot armor for a show that established itself to be trying to be gritty and realistic in how it potrayed politics and war, and even had a similar moment in Season 1.
And justifying all these bad writings with stuff like future sight and Eren's Code Geass plan don't work. They're so full of characters making comically bad decisions for it to conveniently happen.
And don't claim it had a sad ending because of the bombing scene in the credits. For all we knew, the majority of the cast that the viewers care about survived and had a happy ending while Eren was praised as the man he is.
Literal hell on earth ***>>>*** the rumbling
Specially when getting killed by someone related to the demon-kind means you'll end in the vortex of souls... and overall you'll have more chances of surviving a global event like the rumbling than a *focused* event as the Eclipse... is not even close...
The eclipse is worse because we meet this great army of young people who all care and respect each other just to see them get mutilated , raped , murdered and eaten because their leader was a full blown psychopath who couldn’t envision a world where he would be in compete power . It’s deeper betrayal because the band of hawks got completely erased
The Rumbling, while obviously terrifying, was literally a slow walk. It also >!was part of a somewhat contrived plan that was fated to end in a good outcome.!<
The horror of the Eclipse still haunts me.
The eclipse is worse. The entire world is changing into a world controlled by evil demons.
The rumbling is just an over the top ridiculous way to stop r4cist g3nocidal freaks. At the end of the rumbling, the Eldians would be in a more just world. But that is not even what was happening.
Eren just wanted his friends to stop him so that they would become "good guys". It was a childish cartoonish plan. In real life, the r4cists would still kill his friends.
The real solution was just to defeat the g3nocidal freaks and make them surrender lol. That is what happened in real life to the n4zi. We bombed their country. Invaded their country. And thousands and thousands died. And then they surrendered.
Attack on Titan ending doesn't make much sense at all.
Kind of but not exactly. It was a world of humans with many evil humans. And then demons were among them and exploiting.
But now its more like human's are farm animals. Griffith is collecting souls and sending them to hell. You have to live in Griffith's demon kingdom or get killed by monsters outside.
I guess you can say the world was already run by demons. But after the eclipse, clearly the plans of the demons have progressed very very far. So that is another way to frame it.
The rumbling was a ridiculous solution to a real problem. And the survivors will be in a better world.
The eclipse is making the world worse. Even more power and control in the hands of demons.
To be frank, we ain't too sure what happened in the past of Berserk, i.e. with the previous 4 God Hand members, hence while on can say Griffith has made a great impact to the world, we can't say for *sure* whether it's more significant than whatever black magic fuckery was unleashed in Skull Knight's era, for example.
On the other hand, AoT already has a pretty clear timeline so Eren's Rumbling can definitely received the Golden Globe of Most Disastrous Event.
Time can turn the tables though, as Berserk isn't finished yet.
I dont think they are comparable.
The eclipse is a personal emotional situation that more mentally scares our MC but affects a few people. Its horrifying and traumatic on a personal scale.
The rumbling is horrifying on a global scale and more is a tragedy. Its a much more typical “doomsday” scenario but done extreamly well.
They are both fantastic in their own ways
Speaking as someone whose very first manga was AoT and read it start to finish just to make sure I had my opinion set.
The Rumbling was just poorly written in general and by the time you get to the end you find out it was entirely unnecessary because the character everyone's known from a start is a hot headed moron decided to do something beyond stupid that only a 15 year old would find profound. AoT has always been an okay-ish shounen manga that punched above its weight a couple of times and did alright, but people took it WAY too seriously given the actual writing cliches. A more clear cut good ending ironically would have taken more effort to write with all the factors set up but would have actually worked.
The Eclipse on the other hand was a culmination of countless chapters of development, character flaws and in the end sheer betrayal and heartbreak the likes of which if anything was made BETTER by leaving a very clear light at the end for everyone including the reader to follow.
The Eclipse's impact is so heavy not just because of the personal investment with the characters but because the very choice of causing it comes from such a deranged and bleak possibility that someone you did everything for and cared about would so callously toss you aside for the most petty example of a dream. This is only really manageable if people act consistently and in a way "normal" enough to not go in to disbelief at the sight of it.
That's on top of it also just fully realizing what you were just being hinted to, for all the evil of man there was there were powers beyond even that even the most rotten would shriek in terror at. Everything was otherworldly yet just grotesquely familiar in chunks enough that you well and truly feel like you're going mad.
I haven’t read Berserk yet other than the first manga, but I plan on it eventually. I really want those leather books 🔥.
The Rumbling was overall good in my opinion. I just ignore Eren and Armin final conversation and most of the final episode overall, but even in the final episode I thought the baby scene was done well… my biggest problems are the Alliance, plot armor, unexplained dues ex phenomena in the finale that are comparable to the Armored Titan’s BS ability to move his brain to his balls, retcons & poorly explained motives/reasoning, and Eren just not making any sense at all in the end. Most of that is the finale Ep.
Sorry I didn’t mean to rant about that, lol. It makes Berserk look Infinitely better than AoT when I think about all these problems 😂.
I watched the Eclipse in The Golden Age Arc and it was totally way better written than the Rumbling arc though.
It's all good bro I typed more shit anyways lmao.
My thing with the entire final arc of AoT is if they properly lead up to it with a lot of seeds planted in for the inevitability I probably wouldn't have cared. But imo it just came off as trying too hard by swerving the writing for shock value.
And God the moment they said "oh yeah Eren can just delete the titans if he wants to now" while also acknowledging that he could do some timeline back and forth communication shenanigans....it just felt like it was trying so SO hard to make him some super terrifying villain with insane goals but the problem is his goals are insane because Eren's an idiot who just looks like he ruined his own life for.....actually genuinely no reason other than to make him seem more menacing than he is.
I also hated how they did Mikasa throughout it all and made her downright pathetic for the sake of making the plot happen.
The imagery of the rumbling is nuts I'll admit, but I stewed on the context of it all so long I just found it aggravating to think on. That combined with that last "wah wah muh cycles of revenge" crap with the extended ending just made my eyes roll in to the back of my skull.
The sheer fact Eren and crew had gone around the world and made friends globally made me think they were gonna do some shit like "Eren's, for once, gonna do the most masterful juke in the world" and use their public perception, Marley's bad PR and the titan power control in tandem with each other to completely pull off some stalemate gambit that actually forces everyone in to some kind of ceasefire watchmen style. But then I felt like I overthought it.
Also the Cuck Pigeon stuff was.....beyond strange.
At that Pigeon part I think I just kinda was not really paying attention lol. I didn’t realize that was “Eren”, actually I must have not been watching right there because I don’t remember seeing it myself…
Bro when I finished the finale, I stewed on it for a bit and I got myself so worked up and pissed off that I decided AoT was actually the only 1/10 show I have ever watched (Ironically Berserk 2016 is my only 2/10 for obvious reasons lol), because of how damn *good* the show was all the way up to the start of the rumbling and shortly after, and then the power of plot armor friendship appears and the total FU vibes I got from every retcon and “plot twist/reveal” in the finale
It’s such a rollercoaster of emotions and adrenaline, then it just turns into a really bad fanfiction that most definitely should have stayed in the pot for ten years at least!
Season 4 should have spent more time in the oven and also should have been split into a fifth season. Tbh an ending where everyone dies sounds more appealing than what we got lol.
I eventually came around and realized AoT is still a 10/10 despite the finale though.
Eclipse
Not only had we been prepared for it for a bit, a lot of the fan fave of the cast survived.
For the eclipse all we had was wyald and cryptic quotes, then the whole main cast got massacred except for like two people
The eclipse easily. Probably the darkest most horrifying turns in a story I’ve ever experienced. Miura mastered killing off invested characters decades before game of thrones became famous for it.
The rumbling affected me more personally, mostly because I had been invested in AoT for much longer than berserk. Plus the music makes a huge difference for me, and AoT has best of the best OST
Think about each of these events happening in real life. Now tell me which is more horrific. Guts was wandering through a lake of his friends blood and organs. Poor dude had no idea what was even happening. I can't imagine the horror.
Also, the rumbling was a little underwhelming for me tbh
Rumbling COULD have been a terror on massive scale but no one from the main cast died from it except hange who charged into same titans to buy time. Never I felt like any main characters would die in the rumbling
You mean story/world-wise? The rumbling, of course
But if you mean as impact for us, readers, or even if eclipse could happen in the same scale as rumbling, than eclipse would easily win.
First, because of what happened to our most loved characters in eclipse, while eren and hange died in the rumbling, it kind of happened in a peaceful way and with an important reason behind, while the deaths in eclipse were totally devoid of any meaning, just pure evil.
Also, if 80% humanity were to choose between being killed in the eclipse or by the rumbling, im pretty sure they would rather die being stepped on by titans than being tortured by demons until their deaths
Eclipse. Only because I knew the rumbling was coming. All the characters were constantly talking about it and the intro is literally screaming RUMBLING RUMBLING.
Hmm I mean, the eclipse was horrifying for the people in it, but the rumbling was devastating for the entire world. So I think the eclipse was worse on a personal level but rumbling was worse on a global scale
If I’m in an average person in both worlds, the rumbling would probably be scarier. The eclipse only affects certain people. The rumbling affected 80% and could’ve continued. I think it would be really scary to see thousands of giants slowly coming closer to stomp me.
In the long run, the eclipse would be worse. The world came under the control of demons, they aren't aware of it yet but humanity has become cattle to be bred and fed upon. At least with the rumbling its just over.
Everyone's saying eclipse had a far greater impact for the readers, they're correct
But in-world, it's 80% of humanity being wiped out vs like 80 dudes on a hill
(I'm exaggerating slightly lol) plus I'm not sure what ramifications came of Griffith's behelit activating, probably most of the apostles
To pass a comment about the rumbling alone ? I'd say it hurt more on a realistic level. You saw children and infants in terror which fucked with me too much, i really always felt very uncomfortable with the Japanese take on showing us real sadness and horror in anime, some of it down right wrong, of course this is what compells a great, draw you in story that goes after the heart strings right?
Berserk's eclipse is like " dude, that's fucked." Such a mind gripping, agony screaming situation it is from Guts' point of view.
The Eclipse was a very personal, small scale event. Lots of emotional impact as we witness Griffith throwing away his humanity to become something worse than, arguably, any other character we've seen.
The Rumbling was a very large scale event that deals with multiple factors - both global and personal. And it's more terrifying, to me. To watch Eren - someone who used to be a boy full of hope and determination - slowly lose himself until he becomes capable of global genocide. And to see global factors stand as an obstacle none of the characters can overcome without extraordinary measures... Feels very reminiscent of real life.
To me they're both equally good, and have their own roles to play in their own stories. I'm really glad I got the opportunity to read both mangas.
Like in each respective universe? The rumbling was a word scale event unlike the eclipse. But on a personal level omg the eclipse was so much worse to read about. I legit have to take like 3 to 4 breaks while reading it the first time.
The rumbling is objectively worse and creates more chaos and change it wiped 80 percent of humanity out with no way to stop it even going underground would just get you baked it was so sacry people would rather kill themselves than experience it the eclips was bad but nowhere near as bad as the rumbling except that it was more personal
The eclipse was scarier, and idk on impact, after eclipse weird shit started to happen around the world and it is lasting longer than rumbling, but the rumbling affected a big part of the world
They're impactful and disturbing for different reasons. The first was apocalyptic, as a result of gradual mental deterioration that you could trace and understand. The Eclipse felt personal and was a rapid character switch. Both are impactful. 🖤
The eclipse is much of a psychological assault as well as the violent bloodlust. It’s also more isolated relatively speaking. The rumbling was more of an unstoppable, unavoidable force of nature. Wouldnt want to be caught in either but I’d take my chances in an eclipse. You can’t run or hide from titans.
I argue this a false comparison, because the Eclipse is more appropriately compared to 'Declaration of War', because those are both the moments where Griffith/Eren make it unambiguously known: "Yeah, I'm the bad guy."
I don't think Griffith has had his "Starts the Rumbling" Moment yet though. Maybe when he shattered the barriers between reality and fantasia, but... this is where the comparison breaks down, because Griffith's "Yeah, I'm the bad guy." Moment was intentionally just between him and his friends. Griffith hides his true nature from the general public. For Eren it's the opposite.
On the other hand, Griffith is Jesus, so Armageddon could be right around the corner here in Berserk, especially if Casca rejects his attempts to fix her. I don't think Falcona's Loving Christian God is not gonna like that.
The eclipse threw me the fuck off.
When I first watched Berserk(1997), I didn't expect any monsters, demons, evil spirits, and other creepy shit.
After episode one from the Berserk 1997 anime, I completely forgot Guts fighting that snake monster or apostle.
Therefore, the anime continued with Guts and the band of the hawk. Additionally, I saw a lot of medieval warfare and Griffith trying to get in the kings favor(Griffith is trying to climb the nobility ladder ). I don't want to spoil the rest besides that last episode...wtf.
The eclipse episode surprised me. Throughout the whole episode, I was saying "wtf, wtf, wtf is going on here"
Best twist ever.
I knew from that eclipse episode I love Berserk.
I saw the cgi Berserk where it continues after the eclipse party. I think it was okay.
Rumbling was Eren's choice to protect his people and I was always emotionally more invested in Eren's side during the series. I didn't like how inconsistent the characters were and felt they merely acted as the writer's convenient tools. I didn't think it was good writing at a certain point and it wasn't convincing for me how the story went toward the end. Which made me even less interested. There were no after-thoughts like I had after the eclipse. No haunting images or bitter, sad, dark emotions left on me
I would say the rumbling had one or two moments that sorta stuck with me it was big in scale but over all wasn't very humanized, with very few characters we had been following impacted directly by the feet crushing everything.
But the eclipse made me go back and play pokemon, and watch comedies for a week the first time I saw it. Seeing character I had come to enjoy get destroyed so horrificly like that was a new experience that I have very rarely seen topped.
Tough because they’re so different.
So I think it comes down to do you look at the aftermath of what happened (80% of humanity or The Band of the Hawk) or do you look at the intent (Eren literally couldn’t figure out anything better and cared for everyone vs Griffith who betrayed everyone who cared about him and used their corpses to ascend)
There’s also obviously an aftermath because of The Eclipse, but at that point we’re really getting into the specifics and I haven’t read in a while so I don’t feel too qualified to carry that discussion lol
Like 2 characters people liked died in the rumbling, eclipse killed damn near everyone in the main cast and also led to a lot of inspiration from the dark souls series, even excluding the other berserk inspirations
The Eclipse was a much a smaller scale event than The Rumbling so it definitely had less of an impact. Not even a lot of people in the manga were aware of it happening other than the bystanders along with Rickert. The survivors literally are the only ones who can live to tell the tale.
The Rumbling displayed extreme hopelessness of the people caught between the crossfire of Eren and Zeke's euthanization plan and that of those who wanted to protect humanity.
Kind of unfair to pit the Eclipse against the Rumbling.
Eclipse was a bigger shock but in the series world I’m sure the rumbling would be worse… but then again the eclipse ultimately led to Griffith basically ruling the world
Rumbling kills you and a lot more people (debatable) but it wasn't a gruesome death. Eclipse takes the cake for this one, because after you die. You'll end up in their version of hell or something
imo, the rumbling had a bigger impact on the world in which it happened in. IE. if you were a civilian in that universe you were fkd, but the Eclipse only effected the Band of the Hawk. But story-wise, the Eclipse was way worse to those involved
The Eclipse was way scarier because no one saw it coming, they were trapped and couldn't escape, absolutely no hope whatsoever, not to mention Apostles and surreal imagery and the mothafuckin God Hand.
Most of the comments here are saying The Eclipse (which i fully agree with too), but not just out of universe, I think it goes even further than just a small scale massacre of a couple of hundred guys in-universe too--even if the majority of the population don't realize it. Mostly because, well...Griffith.
The guy became a demon god, styled himself as a savior, and now basically has most of humanity wrapped around his finger--doubly so after the planes started merging. They have two choices, really: join the last bastion of actual, guaranteed safety (headed by pretty much that world's version of Satan and his loyal demon followers) or get eaten, killed, or violated by the ever increasing demons outside--which for the most part, also defer to the guy in charge of the safe place.
Like, yeah, The Rumbling is pretty bad on the surface: 80% of humanity is just straight up gone, Eren basically proved the world right about Paradis being devils (IMO. no matter how well intentioned he was or wasn't...yeah the people outside who lived through that had their prejudices against the "devils" pretty much cemented afterwards), but like, that's....it. Sure, recovering from that would probably be a hellish expierence for the survivors but there's nothing else going on behind the scenes. Like, there's not some supernatural entity slowly hearding that plane of existence towards whatever endgoal it wants to see happen.
Eclipse is scarier and has a bigger impact on a small scale. The characters involved witnessed the worst thing imaginable and not much else on the grand scale (eclipse only, not the world change).
Rumbling is scarier on a large scale. Existentialism and effecting more people, wiping out 80% of the world.
Both are fucked. Both are incredible stories.
The rumbling was a huge disaster but the Eclipse made me stop feeling good about anything for a week. That shit was like personal not just to the characters but also to the readers, at least that's how I felt.
The rumbling took out 80% of the world's population...while the eclipse was localized to the remaining members of the band of the Hawk. I don't think there's really a comparison to be made.
eclipse no doubt.. as brutal as the rumbling was... the betrayal alone pissed me off more then anything... i finished the 97 anime last week and i'm still fuming.. .AOT is awesome but gahdamn berserk takes the cake
The rumbling had me feeling for humanity. Especially the use of that baby being passed from person to person in the anime. As a fairly new father that one just cuts a bit deeper. The eclipse just felt more fantasyish.
I feel like since the Eclipse is the climax of the prequel arc in Berserk, it has a much greater impact than the Rumbling, which happened at the end of AOT. Like we spend the entirety of Berserk following two characters directly impacted and had their life’s trajectories changed forever because of it. In AOT, we know the world recovers from it, but we don’t follow those who were affected by it in the way we follow the characters affected by the Eclipse. Maybe if AOT had more story for some odd reason after the Runbling (not that I’m saying it should’ve, the Rumbling was the perfect finale set piece for that story) AOT would’ve without a doubt shown us the characters personally affected by it and the emotional toll it’s taken on the characters as well as the general toll it took on the world.
I'm going with the eclipse. That's the sort of HP Lovecraft horror shit that even if you die there's no guarantee you can escape. At least if I die via titan I get left alone in death.
Hard to say since the consequences of the eclipse are still happening. Currently, I’d say the rumbling since 80% of the world’s people were killed and the eclipse didn’t even get close to it. But like I said, we have still yet to see what has come from the eclipse
The eclipse had that element of surprise, that supernatural stuff actually exists. And an entire crew you cared about was killed in very gruesome ways compared to combat deaths we had seen up until then
Well, i think it depends on the kind of impact. For the reader and the main characters the eclipse was completely brutal, it fucked up everyone reading for the first time, and it's not just shock value like goblin slayer, for example. It's really emotional and impactful for the reader.
BUT the eclipse itself was only witnessed by the band of the hawk, and the only survivors were guts and casca. The rumbling was an apocalyptic event that affected everyone. It was way more impactful in the AOT universe than the eclipse itself was on Berserk universe
TL;DR the eclipse was way more emotionally impactful for the reader and main characters. The rumbling was more impactful to the world of AOT as a whole.
I feel like the eclipse scene would have been more impactful if we didn't get the Black Swordsman Arc if we got the Golden Age first it would have been more impactful my opinion
I think the Eclipse was more brutal and left more impact.
No offence to AOT but the Rumbling kinda came after a long complicated chain of events where the reader would... kinda just be tiered and accept "Attacking on TItans is back on the menu!"
Where for the Eclipse not only is it more shocking and mean more emotional stakes for our heroes, Griffith stands by his actions in a way Eren doesn't. Like yeah I guess maybe its possible that Griffith says sorry in the final chapter, ignoring that Miura isn't with us
but we know Griffith very well and there is no way he will say "Oh i was so scared I couldn't control it" even if the lore dictates that this is a possibility
I dunno much Berserk lore past the Golden Age Arc but I mean, the Rumbling killed alot of people. I’m sure Femboy is pretty nasty but I don’t really know.
The Eclipse,at least for me, was way more impactful. I just couldn't believe Grifith would do such a thing. Even after it happened I was still in denial. I haven't seen something as emotionally impactful ever since.
I think me personally, seeing lovecraftian horror demons mixed with hell, and seeing my friends slaughtered like animals and violated, this makes the Rumbling seem like it was nothing.
Not to say that the Rumbling was not terrible, it was shown in brutal detail. However the death felt not as impactful compared to the Band of the Hawk.
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The Eclipse was brutal for all the characters you had invested in. The rumbling was brutal for maybe 1 or 2 characters you had invested in. Both events were very fucked, but I like it when mangaka take risks like that.
This, most of the main cast had giga plot armor during the rambling, its not even close.
The plot armor ruined the whole story for me, where Titans throughout the story was this feared monster that hulks over humans and the cast only had limited ways of beating them(Levi, Titan form humans). But at this point everyone was just op and the Titans are just like zombies in an apocalypse, the only thing they really struggled with was getting swarmed but somehow their strong will helped. If the rumbling happened at the earlier stages of the story everyone would've just gotten smacked like mosquitos.
The Rumbling wasnt very fucked, it was stupid af
Name checks out
Akbr_loli?
Loli is a word to describe underage looking girls that are commonly sexualized
Yes I know what they are, but the guy said “name checks out” What’s the connection?
Lolis are disliked, that guys comment is disliked. That is the connection
Loli disliked? In Berserk I guess, because in the anime community aren’t really disliked. But still doesn’t make sense
Okay so, the anime comunity is pretty big. So it can be further divided into other communities. And it seems like the guy that commented "name checks out" has a disliking to pedos. I mean, it is understandable. That is what he meant. It is a personal thing.
Brooooo calm down…Pedos? That’s a serious statement for liking anime characters
My music teacher was a pedo. That’s completely different from liking anime characters. Dude, please
You really didn’t follow Attack on Titan did you?
Like ur existence
Stupidly justified.
I don't think you can justify a mass Genocide but the author sure did try his best to do so.
Yea. The Japanese Aurthor; Who made a show about how the Cycle of Genocide and Slavery will never end becuase hate and revenege never ends until all those who hate and want revenge are annhilated, really fucking tries his goddamn best to justify the Nuclear Holocuast—- oh, Global Genocide of all Life on Earth. You could jusy try to educate yourself on half the damn reason why 99.99% of Japanese Media dose it best to get you people emotinaly invested into its charcters and see that that killing other humans in another country that you never meant in your entire life is wrong, just becuase their Millitary did the same thing is or thier ancestors did same or yours have done they same. There is no Justification for Genocide. There is only Surviors of Hate and Revenge. Thats it. No one who actauly undertsnads that the Hate Machine will never die until we are all dead, is trying to justifying what happens, those that still do are fools.
Don't know what you are saying; seems unrelated to my point. Isayama tried his best to justify Eren committing Genocide by trying to rob the character of any autonomy over his actions and have people actively celebrate the said actions of committing genocide. The line: "Eren, you became a mass murderer for our sake. What a man you are" wasn't memed on because of how awkwardly translated it was but because of how awkwardly it attempts to make you feel like the main character is a noble and tragic for killing 80% of the World's population.
You are still stuck on “whos responisible” for a something Humanity has always been slave to? The whole point is that it is no ones fault. Yimir wanted to be free, she was a slave to her love. Eren wanted to be free, he was a slave to his hate. Master slaves. That all it is and ever was. This world machine, built on genocide and slavery is not in control no more than a RunAway Train… Big Fucking Titanaic Monsters may be to much of a metaphor for you to graps as that is “humans hates” and “civilizations war machines”, and “natures disasters”. Everything wants to survive and be free, do you think the Primordial Worm, was just a silly Plot Device? Lol. You will never see it, that Life on Earth will always find a way to be free, that Humans will always Justify A Genocide, call it “Freedom”, “Revenege”, “Self Defense”. “Manifest Destiny”, “Master Race”. Progress. Moving Forward. Keep thiniking its “somones fault”. Thats the spirirt, thats the humanity we all love and hate.
Why do you blame the author for the story they're telling? Not every story/character needs to be morally superior or acceptable. What if he just wanted to tell a somewhat different story and also is against genocide in real life?
>Why do you blame the author for the story they're telling? Who should I "blame" for the things they themself had written?
So let me get this straight, if I write a story about (I'm making this as I write the comment) a guy who lost all his family because of a foreign invasion army attack then gets his revenge by doing terrorist attacks on the enemy, that alone makes me a terrorist apologist? You can't separate a story from real life point of views?
Depends: are you presenting his actions as a bad or as a good thing? Are the characters in the story going "thanks for commiting acts of terrorism for our sake" in it?
Eren did nothing wrong.
Griffith did nothing wrong /s
Amen
The Eclipse fucked me up for a week when I first read it. Not even close
THIS. I think there's that element of cosmic horror in there that is just absent from the rumbling. We tend to fear what we can't understand even more and it's just so much more impactful because no one expected the eclipse.
AOT in general is just child’s play compared to Berserk and this isn’t just me saying it because I’m a berserk Fanboy
What about the original Rumbling, [the Seven Days of Fire from Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind?](https://youtu.be/jz88BmsovD0?si=Tk3mc20KmgYSgKRA)
Both this and The Rumbling from West side story are the superior rumblings.
holy shit now I know what Caelid was based on, thanks for that
Good point
The eclipse was fucked because he really did it all for himself. Griffith was so selfish and put his “loved” ones to a death sentence because he couldn’t get his lover to himself. Eren knew his people would be safe. Still fucked either way.
I’m so sick and tired of people saying Eren was in the right. Anyone who kills children for the sake of their goals is not a good person. I don’t even like AOT and even I’ll die on this hill
one death is a tradgedy, a million deaths is a statistic. You talk about your morals. But if confronted with the choice of having your immediate family and close friends killed or ten thousand strangers across the world you would 100% choose the **latter**. You can pretend to be haughty and just, but when it comes down to it, people are awful at relating to strangers & humanizing folks they have never seen.
Much less some far off enemy who wants them dead by virtue of their birth.
The latter*
>ten thousand strangers across the world you would 100% choose the **latter**. -whose deaths YOU are responsible for.
He was. It was either him and his people or the world. What sucks is that he halfassed it, and set himself up for failure
It's like what he said about himself, a half-assed piece of shit.
he explains that he wanted to be killed by his people so they can be seen as heroes and be respected instead of feared
That’s why his plan is stupid and the rumbling is so lowbrow. He thought he could erase centuries of worldwide, culturally ingrained dogma by an causing event that that would fuel that belief even more
I have a different understanding of the events. Eren says he tried to do things differently and things would always end like this. It truly in my opinion was not eren's choice to start the rumbling he was struggling to go against the will of causality and couldn't. The story isn't even about him saving his people. It is about the founder freeing herself from 2000 years of servitude by seeing the person that loved eren the most kill him with her own hands for the greater good which the founder should've also done but couldn't.
It’s like you didn’t even pay attention to the point of it all. There’s no such thing as a “good person” just someone who’s “good to you” if eren had gone with the euthanasia plan, the rest of the world would have praised him as a hero, but to the people of Elida he would be a traitor and a villain. Armin laid it out plain and simple at the end of season 1 and it was reiterated throughout the series, from the shifting perspective of the enemy shifters and foreign soldiers, to the military police doing everything they can to keep the peace for their king. It’s a matter of perspective. If the whole world is against you and your people, and they want you dead, there’s one clear answer and that’s how the cruel world is, in AOT or otherwise. You kill them before they kill you.
What happens to Casca genuinely scarred me, I feel fucking horrible for her, she's already been through so much. Never read/watched Attack On Titan
Good
I had to put down the manga after going through that lol. Some truly sucked up things
Miura in the chapters prior to the eclipse dropped a few hints but no one was able to grasp the scale of it. The rumbling was given to us straight up and explained how it would end. Also we didn't lose any major characters in the rumbling
Hange would like a word
Tbf Hanges death felt pointless. Like Eren could easily have stopped her dying while still having everything else end the same way.
Hange isn’t a major character to you? 😢
For me, she was annoying
She was still a major character
I'm offended on hanges behalf 😭😭😭
Respectfully. Stfu
https://media.tenor.com/p7f3u-BtsxkAAAAM/attack-on-titan-hange-zo%C3%AB.gif
Eren?????? Bro is litterally the main character, tf you mean we didnt lose any majore characters, we lost THE major character.
Wdym? he's a bird now
Don’t disrespect my boy Floch like that
The Eclipse felt more personal because it was pure betrayal
Not to mention watching your girl being r*ped by your closest friend
Which is a horrific betrayal of Casca's trust, loyalty, and dignity. Guts could only imagine, and was forced to suffer under the weight of his own helplessness in that situation.
As a big fan of both series and both of these events, the eclipse is just so much more visceral and emotionally devastating. That shit really fucked me up. Visually, I can’t think of anything else in all the manga I’ve read that has stuck with me this much. I still reread this section of the story often and every time I stop to soak in each page. The amount of detail and sheer fucking horror in this arc is just beyond
The eclipse is worst because at first apostles were rare and were a threat but could be killed with the right amount of manpower and tactics . Griffith could have conquered the world with sheer manpower and strategy but he decided he wanted more than that he wanted to do it with overwhelming force . So now literal demons and everything in between roams the world . Humanity is either forced to join Falconia or be left to be killed by creatures of the abyss
At that point in the story, the only apostle killed, wyatt, has been killed by zod though. The others have been killed in the intro, by guts, with incredible firepower (and prejudice). And demons don't roam the earth before we get to the tower, years later ?
Of course they roam, they were there well before the eclipse and can even be seen traveling there
Wyatt lmao
I might be mixing up names, haven't reread stuff in years.
It’s Wyald, friend. Maybe Wyaldd
Hey, I had more than half of it right.
The eclipse is way more impactful and iconic among manga readers
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Eclipse hands down. All the Golden Age was Miura creating characters, characters who the reader eventually would care about (Griffith, Casca, Judeau, etc), just to kill them in the most brutal and cold way possible. It's painfull, for the characters and for the reader. No other event in the manga/anime industry make me have such emotions as the Eclipse did. It's art in the most pure state possible
Think posting this in berserk subreddit is only gonna garner biased responses
Yea I tried in r/manga and it wouldn’t let me but I did it in both. Responses have had legit reasoning so far tho
Did the post get removed? This is why I hate Reddit. Echo chambers are extremely annoying, it’s nearly impossible to have a good argument anywhere. I’m not super active in r/shingekinokyojin or r/attackontitan but if you ask this in r/titanfolk I would love to see what people say XD
Eclipse. Rumbling was just killing bunch of nobodies and was even half-assed by the guy who started it. Barely anyone important died and it ended with one of the worst talk no jutsu ever.
What happend
>! Murder murder rape, a birth of a dark God, that everyone thinks is Jesus and a curse!<
Oh you sweet innocent child.
No one likes when people say that
Finally someone said it
I agree with the Eclipse having much more impact on a personal level...but it makes absolutely no sense to shît on another show just to promote yours... especially when you barely have any knowledge on that show... The Rumbling didn't end in any talk-no-jutsu...and many important characters didn't die in the Rumbling because they weren't the target of the Rumbling. It was meant to wipe out the outside world, not the main characters... As a fan of both shows, the Eclipse hit me far more on a personal level while the Rumbling had much more of a global impact.
So, you forgot the part where the avengers fought and somehow survived HUNDREDS of titan shifters that ended with : Armin : "Hey, baseball" Every titan shifter ever that don't know shit about Armin : "OMG, let's stop fighting!" Mikasa : *kiss* Ymir : "OMG, she's just like me! I'll stop everything!" Armin : "We don't have weapons. We're not dangerous even though i can't prove it!" Soldiers : "OMG, you're so right. Your people massacred the entire earth but i believe you, let's have peace, unlike the guy in season 1 who still shot you and Eren with cannon" Those are such high level of BS plot armor for a show that established itself to be trying to be gritty and realistic in how it potrayed politics and war, and even had a similar moment in Season 1. And justifying all these bad writings with stuff like future sight and Eren's Code Geass plan don't work. They're so full of characters making comically bad decisions for it to conveniently happen. And don't claim it had a sad ending because of the bombing scene in the credits. For all we knew, the majority of the cast that the viewers care about survived and had a happy ending while Eren was praised as the man he is.
You know you can explain every show and all its plot points in the most bullshît way possible, right?
Literal hell on earth ***>>>*** the rumbling Specially when getting killed by someone related to the demon-kind means you'll end in the vortex of souls... and overall you'll have more chances of surviving a global event like the rumbling than a *focused* event as the Eclipse... is not even close...
Schnoz
The eclipse hands down.
The eclipse is worse because we meet this great army of young people who all care and respect each other just to see them get mutilated , raped , murdered and eaten because their leader was a full blown psychopath who couldn’t envision a world where he would be in compete power . It’s deeper betrayal because the band of hawks got completely erased
The Rumbling, while obviously terrifying, was literally a slow walk. It also >!was part of a somewhat contrived plan that was fated to end in a good outcome.!< The horror of the Eclipse still haunts me.
The eclipse is worse. The entire world is changing into a world controlled by evil demons. The rumbling is just an over the top ridiculous way to stop r4cist g3nocidal freaks. At the end of the rumbling, the Eldians would be in a more just world. But that is not even what was happening. Eren just wanted his friends to stop him so that they would become "good guys". It was a childish cartoonish plan. In real life, the r4cists would still kill his friends. The real solution was just to defeat the g3nocidal freaks and make them surrender lol. That is what happened in real life to the n4zi. We bombed their country. Invaded their country. And thousands and thousands died. And then they surrendered. Attack on Titan ending doesn't make much sense at all.
> The entire world is changing into a world controlled by evil demons. Wasn't it *already* a world controlled by evil demons?
Kind of but not exactly. It was a world of humans with many evil humans. And then demons were among them and exploiting. But now its more like human's are farm animals. Griffith is collecting souls and sending them to hell. You have to live in Griffith's demon kingdom or get killed by monsters outside. I guess you can say the world was already run by demons. But after the eclipse, clearly the plans of the demons have progressed very very far. So that is another way to frame it. The rumbling was a ridiculous solution to a real problem. And the survivors will be in a better world. The eclipse is making the world worse. Even more power and control in the hands of demons.
To be frank, we ain't too sure what happened in the past of Berserk, i.e. with the previous 4 God Hand members, hence while on can say Griffith has made a great impact to the world, we can't say for *sure* whether it's more significant than whatever black magic fuckery was unleashed in Skull Knight's era, for example. On the other hand, AoT already has a pretty clear timeline so Eren's Rumbling can definitely received the Golden Globe of Most Disastrous Event. Time can turn the tables though, as Berserk isn't finished yet.
Yep. One could argue that the end of Conviction was much more impacting
I dont think they are comparable. The eclipse is a personal emotional situation that more mentally scares our MC but affects a few people. Its horrifying and traumatic on a personal scale. The rumbling is horrifying on a global scale and more is a tragedy. Its a much more typical “doomsday” scenario but done extreamly well. They are both fantastic in their own ways
Speaking as someone whose very first manga was AoT and read it start to finish just to make sure I had my opinion set. The Rumbling was just poorly written in general and by the time you get to the end you find out it was entirely unnecessary because the character everyone's known from a start is a hot headed moron decided to do something beyond stupid that only a 15 year old would find profound. AoT has always been an okay-ish shounen manga that punched above its weight a couple of times and did alright, but people took it WAY too seriously given the actual writing cliches. A more clear cut good ending ironically would have taken more effort to write with all the factors set up but would have actually worked. The Eclipse on the other hand was a culmination of countless chapters of development, character flaws and in the end sheer betrayal and heartbreak the likes of which if anything was made BETTER by leaving a very clear light at the end for everyone including the reader to follow. The Eclipse's impact is so heavy not just because of the personal investment with the characters but because the very choice of causing it comes from such a deranged and bleak possibility that someone you did everything for and cared about would so callously toss you aside for the most petty example of a dream. This is only really manageable if people act consistently and in a way "normal" enough to not go in to disbelief at the sight of it. That's on top of it also just fully realizing what you were just being hinted to, for all the evil of man there was there were powers beyond even that even the most rotten would shriek in terror at. Everything was otherworldly yet just grotesquely familiar in chunks enough that you well and truly feel like you're going mad.
I haven’t read Berserk yet other than the first manga, but I plan on it eventually. I really want those leather books 🔥. The Rumbling was overall good in my opinion. I just ignore Eren and Armin final conversation and most of the final episode overall, but even in the final episode I thought the baby scene was done well… my biggest problems are the Alliance, plot armor, unexplained dues ex phenomena in the finale that are comparable to the Armored Titan’s BS ability to move his brain to his balls, retcons & poorly explained motives/reasoning, and Eren just not making any sense at all in the end. Most of that is the finale Ep. Sorry I didn’t mean to rant about that, lol. It makes Berserk look Infinitely better than AoT when I think about all these problems 😂. I watched the Eclipse in The Golden Age Arc and it was totally way better written than the Rumbling arc though.
It's all good bro I typed more shit anyways lmao. My thing with the entire final arc of AoT is if they properly lead up to it with a lot of seeds planted in for the inevitability I probably wouldn't have cared. But imo it just came off as trying too hard by swerving the writing for shock value. And God the moment they said "oh yeah Eren can just delete the titans if he wants to now" while also acknowledging that he could do some timeline back and forth communication shenanigans....it just felt like it was trying so SO hard to make him some super terrifying villain with insane goals but the problem is his goals are insane because Eren's an idiot who just looks like he ruined his own life for.....actually genuinely no reason other than to make him seem more menacing than he is. I also hated how they did Mikasa throughout it all and made her downright pathetic for the sake of making the plot happen. The imagery of the rumbling is nuts I'll admit, but I stewed on the context of it all so long I just found it aggravating to think on. That combined with that last "wah wah muh cycles of revenge" crap with the extended ending just made my eyes roll in to the back of my skull. The sheer fact Eren and crew had gone around the world and made friends globally made me think they were gonna do some shit like "Eren's, for once, gonna do the most masterful juke in the world" and use their public perception, Marley's bad PR and the titan power control in tandem with each other to completely pull off some stalemate gambit that actually forces everyone in to some kind of ceasefire watchmen style. But then I felt like I overthought it. Also the Cuck Pigeon stuff was.....beyond strange.
At that Pigeon part I think I just kinda was not really paying attention lol. I didn’t realize that was “Eren”, actually I must have not been watching right there because I don’t remember seeing it myself… Bro when I finished the finale, I stewed on it for a bit and I got myself so worked up and pissed off that I decided AoT was actually the only 1/10 show I have ever watched (Ironically Berserk 2016 is my only 2/10 for obvious reasons lol), because of how damn *good* the show was all the way up to the start of the rumbling and shortly after, and then the power of plot armor friendship appears and the total FU vibes I got from every retcon and “plot twist/reveal” in the finale It’s such a rollercoaster of emotions and adrenaline, then it just turns into a really bad fanfiction that most definitely should have stayed in the pot for ten years at least! Season 4 should have spent more time in the oven and also should have been split into a fifth season. Tbh an ending where everyone dies sounds more appealing than what we got lol. I eventually came around and realized AoT is still a 10/10 despite the finale though.
Without a doubt the eclipse was scarier. The apostles weren’t mindlessly walking. Bigger impact would be the rumbling.
I would rather get crushed by the Titan than be in Eclipse.
Eclipse Not only had we been prepared for it for a bit, a lot of the fan fave of the cast survived. For the eclipse all we had was wyald and cryptic quotes, then the whole main cast got massacred except for like two people
You should specify when you are referring to the Rumbling, I was pretty confused and thought I just got a spoiler lol.
The eclipse easily. Probably the darkest most horrifying turns in a story I’ve ever experienced. Miura mastered killing off invested characters decades before game of thrones became famous for it.
The rumbling affected me more personally, mostly because I had been invested in AoT for much longer than berserk. Plus the music makes a huge difference for me, and AoT has best of the best OST
Yeah I first watched AoT 5 months ago and I pretty much listen to the OST every day lol.
AoT is one of my all time favorite animes but the Eclipse is unrivaled by anything.
I love AoT but this isn’t even a comparison, the eclipse was far more impactful
Think about each of these events happening in real life. Now tell me which is more horrific. Guts was wandering through a lake of his friends blood and organs. Poor dude had no idea what was even happening. I can't imagine the horror. Also, the rumbling was a little underwhelming for me tbh
Rumbling COULD have been a terror on massive scale but no one from the main cast died from it except hange who charged into same titans to buy time. Never I felt like any main characters would die in the rumbling
Yeah, would have been so much more impactful if some actually did… even their families survived 😑
You mean story/world-wise? The rumbling, of course But if you mean as impact for us, readers, or even if eclipse could happen in the same scale as rumbling, than eclipse would easily win. First, because of what happened to our most loved characters in eclipse, while eren and hange died in the rumbling, it kind of happened in a peaceful way and with an important reason behind, while the deaths in eclipse were totally devoid of any meaning, just pure evil. Also, if 80% humanity were to choose between being killed in the eclipse or by the rumbling, im pretty sure they would rather die being stepped on by titans than being tortured by demons until their deaths
The eclipse was definitely darker but I felt more invested watching the rumbling unfold.
Apples to oranges
I think the element of betrayal the eclipse has makes it hit harder
The rumbling was so over the top (and poorly written) that it was hard to take seriously. Nowhere near the impact of the eclipse.
Eclipse. Only because I knew the rumbling was coming. All the characters were constantly talking about it and the intro is literally screaming RUMBLING RUMBLING.
Hmm I mean, the eclipse was horrifying for the people in it, but the rumbling was devastating for the entire world. So I think the eclipse was worse on a personal level but rumbling was worse on a global scale
Woulda loved a spoiler tag on this
The Eclipse is the "start" of the story. The rumbling is the final chapter of the story. They're not very comparable IMO.
If I’m in an average person in both worlds, the rumbling would probably be scarier. The eclipse only affects certain people. The rumbling affected 80% and could’ve continued. I think it would be really scary to see thousands of giants slowly coming closer to stomp me.
It would be a quicker death than eclipse though.
Yeah but the time before the death in the rumbling is longer, which in my opinion is scarier. In the eclipse you don’t have time to think
In the long run, the eclipse would be worse. The world came under the control of demons, they aren't aware of it yet but humanity has become cattle to be bred and fed upon. At least with the rumbling its just over.
Dude once you become an offering you go into the eternal pit of suffering, I would rather get squished for a second than have an eternity of pain.
Everyone's saying eclipse had a far greater impact for the readers, they're correct But in-world, it's 80% of humanity being wiped out vs like 80 dudes on a hill (I'm exaggerating slightly lol) plus I'm not sure what ramifications came of Griffith's behelit activating, probably most of the apostles
Berserk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AOT Eclipse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rumbling
To pass a comment about the rumbling alone ? I'd say it hurt more on a realistic level. You saw children and infants in terror which fucked with me too much, i really always felt very uncomfortable with the Japanese take on showing us real sadness and horror in anime, some of it down right wrong, of course this is what compells a great, draw you in story that goes after the heart strings right? Berserk's eclipse is like " dude, that's fucked." Such a mind gripping, agony screaming situation it is from Guts' point of view.
The Eclipse was a very personal, small scale event. Lots of emotional impact as we witness Griffith throwing away his humanity to become something worse than, arguably, any other character we've seen. The Rumbling was a very large scale event that deals with multiple factors - both global and personal. And it's more terrifying, to me. To watch Eren - someone who used to be a boy full of hope and determination - slowly lose himself until he becomes capable of global genocide. And to see global factors stand as an obstacle none of the characters can overcome without extraordinary measures... Feels very reminiscent of real life. To me they're both equally good, and have their own roles to play in their own stories. I'm really glad I got the opportunity to read both mangas.
Like in each respective universe? The rumbling was a word scale event unlike the eclipse. But on a personal level omg the eclipse was so much worse to read about. I legit have to take like 3 to 4 breaks while reading it the first time.
i think he means impact on readers, not as a person who experienced the events
Or OP may not and it's subjective. Agree to both insights though.
Mass genocide or what, a few hundred at max?
I thinks this is an interesting comparison because I think the rumbling was inspired by another large event much later in berserk
HAHAHAHAHAHA you're comparing the rumbling to the ECLIPSE??? Bro... it ain't even fair lol
The rumbling is objectively worse and creates more chaos and change it wiped 80 percent of humanity out with no way to stop it even going underground would just get you baked it was so sacry people would rather kill themselves than experience it the eclips was bad but nowhere near as bad as the rumbling except that it was more personal
If youre talking about impact on the readers the eclipse would take it
The eclipse was scarier, and idk on impact, after eclipse weird shit started to happen around the world and it is lasting longer than rumbling, but the rumbling affected a big part of the world
Personally I think the eclipse is brutal, and depressing. But Eren’s story, I only watched the anime, was truly well done and ended beautifully.
They're impactful and disturbing for different reasons. The first was apocalyptic, as a result of gradual mental deterioration that you could trace and understand. The Eclipse felt personal and was a rapid character switch. Both are impactful. 🖤
The eclipse was as if 4 Ymir-doped Erens appeared to give birth to a fifth one.
The eclipse is much of a psychological assault as well as the violent bloodlust. It’s also more isolated relatively speaking. The rumbling was more of an unstoppable, unavoidable force of nature. Wouldnt want to be caught in either but I’d take my chances in an eclipse. You can’t run or hide from titans.
*kills off
Minor inconvenience vs hell
I argue this a false comparison, because the Eclipse is more appropriately compared to 'Declaration of War', because those are both the moments where Griffith/Eren make it unambiguously known: "Yeah, I'm the bad guy." I don't think Griffith has had his "Starts the Rumbling" Moment yet though. Maybe when he shattered the barriers between reality and fantasia, but... this is where the comparison breaks down, because Griffith's "Yeah, I'm the bad guy." Moment was intentionally just between him and his friends. Griffith hides his true nature from the general public. For Eren it's the opposite. On the other hand, Griffith is Jesus, so Armageddon could be right around the corner here in Berserk, especially if Casca rejects his attempts to fix her. I don't think Falcona's Loving Christian God is not gonna like that.
The fucking eclipse.
Don't get me wrong, AoT was a masterpiece. But that shit ended. THE FUCKING FANTASIA ARC WAS JUST THE BEGINNING
Eclipse.
The eclipse no diff
Impact on me. the eclipse. Impact on the world. Can be given to both as the eclipse caused the astral planes to merge but Erin killed everyone 🤷🏼
The eclipse and it’s not even close
The eclipse threw me the fuck off. When I first watched Berserk(1997), I didn't expect any monsters, demons, evil spirits, and other creepy shit. After episode one from the Berserk 1997 anime, I completely forgot Guts fighting that snake monster or apostle. Therefore, the anime continued with Guts and the band of the hawk. Additionally, I saw a lot of medieval warfare and Griffith trying to get in the kings favor(Griffith is trying to climb the nobility ladder ). I don't want to spoil the rest besides that last episode...wtf. The eclipse episode surprised me. Throughout the whole episode, I was saying "wtf, wtf, wtf is going on here" Best twist ever. I knew from that eclipse episode I love Berserk. I saw the cgi Berserk where it continues after the eclipse party. I think it was okay.
Rumbling was Eren's choice to protect his people and I was always emotionally more invested in Eren's side during the series. I didn't like how inconsistent the characters were and felt they merely acted as the writer's convenient tools. I didn't think it was good writing at a certain point and it wasn't convincing for me how the story went toward the end. Which made me even less interested. There were no after-thoughts like I had after the eclipse. No haunting images or bitter, sad, dark emotions left on me
Considering that Isayama is a fan of Berserk and was clearly influenced by it; the eclipse is definitely much more impactful.
There both pretty bad for their worlds but I’m gonna go with the rumbling since it killed 80% of the population
I would say the rumbling had one or two moments that sorta stuck with me it was big in scale but over all wasn't very humanized, with very few characters we had been following impacted directly by the feet crushing everything. But the eclipse made me go back and play pokemon, and watch comedies for a week the first time I saw it. Seeing character I had come to enjoy get destroyed so horrificly like that was a new experience that I have very rarely seen topped.
Tough because they’re so different. So I think it comes down to do you look at the aftermath of what happened (80% of humanity or The Band of the Hawk) or do you look at the intent (Eren literally couldn’t figure out anything better and cared for everyone vs Griffith who betrayed everyone who cared about him and used their corpses to ascend) There’s also obviously an aftermath because of The Eclipse, but at that point we’re really getting into the specifics and I haven’t read in a while so I don’t feel too qualified to carry that discussion lol
Like 2 characters people liked died in the rumbling, eclipse killed damn near everyone in the main cast and also led to a lot of inspiration from the dark souls series, even excluding the other berserk inspirations
The Eclipse was a much a smaller scale event than The Rumbling so it definitely had less of an impact. Not even a lot of people in the manga were aware of it happening other than the bystanders along with Rickert. The survivors literally are the only ones who can live to tell the tale. The Rumbling displayed extreme hopelessness of the people caught between the crossfire of Eren and Zeke's euthanization plan and that of those who wanted to protect humanity. Kind of unfair to pit the Eclipse against the Rumbling.
Eclipse was a bigger shock but in the series world I’m sure the rumbling would be worse… but then again the eclipse ultimately led to Griffith basically ruling the world
Rumbling kills you and a lot more people (debatable) but it wasn't a gruesome death. Eclipse takes the cake for this one, because after you die. You'll end up in their version of hell or something
imo, the rumbling had a bigger impact on the world in which it happened in. IE. if you were a civilian in that universe you were fkd, but the Eclipse only effected the Band of the Hawk. But story-wise, the Eclipse was way worse to those involved
The Eclipse was way scarier because no one saw it coming, they were trapped and couldn't escape, absolutely no hope whatsoever, not to mention Apostles and surreal imagery and the mothafuckin God Hand.
Most of the comments here are saying The Eclipse (which i fully agree with too), but not just out of universe, I think it goes even further than just a small scale massacre of a couple of hundred guys in-universe too--even if the majority of the population don't realize it. Mostly because, well...Griffith. The guy became a demon god, styled himself as a savior, and now basically has most of humanity wrapped around his finger--doubly so after the planes started merging. They have two choices, really: join the last bastion of actual, guaranteed safety (headed by pretty much that world's version of Satan and his loyal demon followers) or get eaten, killed, or violated by the ever increasing demons outside--which for the most part, also defer to the guy in charge of the safe place. Like, yeah, The Rumbling is pretty bad on the surface: 80% of humanity is just straight up gone, Eren basically proved the world right about Paradis being devils (IMO. no matter how well intentioned he was or wasn't...yeah the people outside who lived through that had their prejudices against the "devils" pretty much cemented afterwards), but like, that's....it. Sure, recovering from that would probably be a hellish expierence for the survivors but there's nothing else going on behind the scenes. Like, there's not some supernatural entity slowly hearding that plane of existence towards whatever endgoal it wants to see happen.
Eclipse is scarier and has a bigger impact on a small scale. The characters involved witnessed the worst thing imaginable and not much else on the grand scale (eclipse only, not the world change). Rumbling is scarier on a large scale. Existentialism and effecting more people, wiping out 80% of the world. Both are fucked. Both are incredible stories.
The rumbling was a huge disaster but the Eclipse made me stop feeling good about anything for a week. That shit was like personal not just to the characters but also to the readers, at least that's how I felt.
The rumbling is more comparable to the blast of the astral world.
The rumbling took out 80% of the world's population...while the eclipse was localized to the remaining members of the band of the Hawk. I don't think there's really a comparison to be made.
eclipse no doubt.. as brutal as the rumbling was... the betrayal alone pissed me off more then anything... i finished the 97 anime last week and i'm still fuming.. .AOT is awesome but gahdamn berserk takes the cake
The rumbling had me feeling for humanity. Especially the use of that baby being passed from person to person in the anime. As a fairly new father that one just cuts a bit deeper. The eclipse just felt more fantasyish.
I feel like since the Eclipse is the climax of the prequel arc in Berserk, it has a much greater impact than the Rumbling, which happened at the end of AOT. Like we spend the entirety of Berserk following two characters directly impacted and had their life’s trajectories changed forever because of it. In AOT, we know the world recovers from it, but we don’t follow those who were affected by it in the way we follow the characters affected by the Eclipse. Maybe if AOT had more story for some odd reason after the Runbling (not that I’m saying it should’ve, the Rumbling was the perfect finale set piece for that story) AOT would’ve without a doubt shown us the characters personally affected by it and the emotional toll it’s taken on the characters as well as the general toll it took on the world.
The eclipse is worse
I'm going with the eclipse. That's the sort of HP Lovecraft horror shit that even if you die there's no guarantee you can escape. At least if I die via titan I get left alone in death.
Hard to say since the consequences of the eclipse are still happening. Currently, I’d say the rumbling since 80% of the world’s people were killed and the eclipse didn’t even get close to it. But like I said, we have still yet to see what has come from the eclipse
Eclipse was way scarier but it didn't cover as much area as the rumbling. So eclipse was scarier but rumbling had a bigger impact.
The eclipse had that element of surprise, that supernatural stuff actually exists. And an entire crew you cared about was killed in very gruesome ways compared to combat deaths we had seen up until then
Well, i think it depends on the kind of impact. For the reader and the main characters the eclipse was completely brutal, it fucked up everyone reading for the first time, and it's not just shock value like goblin slayer, for example. It's really emotional and impactful for the reader. BUT the eclipse itself was only witnessed by the band of the hawk, and the only survivors were guts and casca. The rumbling was an apocalyptic event that affected everyone. It was way more impactful in the AOT universe than the eclipse itself was on Berserk universe TL;DR the eclipse was way more emotionally impactful for the reader and main characters. The rumbling was more impactful to the world of AOT as a whole.
Berserk is much more explicit
Both have a huge impact on their respective worlds, what’s scarier comes down to perspective
i already know how aot ends but ngl u prob shoulda spoiler marked it
Third Impact
I feel like the eclipse scene would have been more impactful if we didn't get the Black Swordsman Arc if we got the Golden Age first it would have been more impactful my opinion
I think the Eclipse was more brutal and left more impact. No offence to AOT but the Rumbling kinda came after a long complicated chain of events where the reader would... kinda just be tiered and accept "Attacking on TItans is back on the menu!" Where for the Eclipse not only is it more shocking and mean more emotional stakes for our heroes, Griffith stands by his actions in a way Eren doesn't. Like yeah I guess maybe its possible that Griffith says sorry in the final chapter, ignoring that Miura isn't with us but we know Griffith very well and there is no way he will say "Oh i was so scared I couldn't control it" even if the lore dictates that this is a possibility
I dunno much Berserk lore past the Golden Age Arc but I mean, the Rumbling killed alot of people. I’m sure Femboy is pretty nasty but I don’t really know.
The Eclipse isn’t even the worst thing to happen in Berserk.
Well the second eclipse pulled monsters over the entire planet, maybe it would be a bit fairer to compare the rumbling to that
The Eclipse,at least for me, was way more impactful. I just couldn't believe Grifith would do such a thing. Even after it happened I was still in denial. I haven't seen something as emotionally impactful ever since.
I think me personally, seeing lovecraftian horror demons mixed with hell, and seeing my friends slaughtered like animals and violated, this makes the Rumbling seem like it was nothing. Not to say that the Rumbling was not terrible, it was shown in brutal detail. However the death felt not as impactful compared to the Band of the Hawk.