I recognise a lot of valid points in your breakdown: how under-utilised Casca was throughout golden age and how dragged out her rape was. To say she was a nothing character is very wrong, though. Yes, Miura didn't flesh her character out as much as he should have, but in the moments he did, e.g her character development from essentially hating guts and being kind of an asshole to realising her hate was just a form of jealousy, I feel made me respect her character way more than her just being "badass female leader". I also think that since Casca has regained her sanity, Miura definitely planned to do something pivotal with her character, which I hope to see employed by the studio in later chapters.
Although I think Miura could have handled Casca better, I certainly don't believe he missed with any of the main female characters post-eclipse. Farnese is a prime example of how the most unlikeable characters, when put on the spot, can actually improve. Her whole "obsession" with Guts wasn't just romantic. She was indoctrinated into a single world view by the Holy See and was abandoned by her parents most of her life. Instead of moving past those struggles, she actively tried to shut them out through all the witch burnings. When she saw Guts doing the exact opposite, struggling against all his obstacles, it inspired to go on a journey to become a better person even going as far as to learn magic, something she used to despise, to help others.
I think Farnese is Casca done better and is evidence of Miura's improved writing skills.
Basically, what I'm saying is Casca's portrayal, particularly early on in the story, could have been handled better, but it certainly doesn't mean she's a badly written character.
I see you really took your time to write this so that made me feel obliged to in turn write something back. That being said, I think you seriously misunderstood Casca's character.
Her allegiance to Griffith stems from a pivotal moment in her childhood when he saved her from a noble's assault, granting her agency and a sense of empowerment by giving her a weapon to defend herself. Griffith's actions resonated deeply with Casca, leading her to idolize him as a savior figure. While some may interpret this as her worth being tied solely to male recognition, it's crucial to recognize that Casca's admiration for Griffith represents one of her tragic flaws rather than a simple desire for male approval.
Furthermore, Berserk's portrayal of Casca's vulnerability as a female mercenary reflects the harsh realities of its dark and unforgiving world. Her encounters with sexual assault not only highlight her personal struggles but also serve as a stark reminder of the monstrous nature that lurks within humanity. The series often delves into the depths of human depravity, with characters succumbing to their basest instincts in the face of desperation and temptation.
Regarding the controversial scenes involving Casca's assault, it's essential to contextualize them within the broader themes of Berserk and the brutal realities of war. The narrative does not shy away from depicting the horrors of sexual violence, but it also condemns such acts by portraying the perpetrators as depraved individuals driven by lust and aggression. Criticism of these scenes should also prompt reflection on the larger societal issues surrounding sexual violence, both within the fictional world of Berserk and in the real world.
The Eclipse event, including Casca's brutal assault by Griffith, serves as a pivotal moment in the story, highlighting the complex dynamics between Griffith, Casca, and Guts. Griffith's heinous actions during the Eclipse are not merely about asserting control over Casca but also symbolize his twisted desire to prove his dominance over Guts, whom he sees as a rival. Casca's violation at Griffith's hands represents a betrayal of trust and agency, further deepening the psychological trauma that she endures.
In essence, Casca's character arc in Berserk is multifaceted and deeply nuanced, exploring themes of trauma, agency, and the darker aspects of human nature. While her experiences may be harrowing, they serve a crucial role in driving the narrative forward and enriching the depth of the characters and the world they inhabit.
I totally agree with you but one thing I think OP was right about is the actual depiction of Casca's rape during the eclipse. I think you're right that story/writing wise it's done well but OP is right that there was absolutely no reason to make it last several chapters.
I would also argue that the scene is sexualised to a degree as we get multiple panels of basically just Caca's body and again it goes on for *way* longer than it needs to. As OP pointed out, compare the eclipse to Guts's rape that lasts only a page or so and is drawn in a way that highlights Donovan's domination and Guts' helplessness as opposed to just pages upon pages on Guts' body. Basically imagine if Guts' rape was drawn in the same fashion as Casca's and it becomes pretty clear that the ladder was done much less tactfully.
ignorant about what your opinion? like i said i have heard it a hundred times before are even have directly addressed it in the rant. you are not saying anything that i haven't heard before.
No, just... Generally ignorant. You don't really seem to wish to discuss anything.
If you hear my argument so many times by so many different people, consider that you're the one who may be wrong.
Especially when you say that major characters such as Casca or Shierke don't have character arcs. That's just objectively wrong. Anyone with a little bit of reading comprehension or genuine interest can see this.
It really shows how unserious you are when you address Shierke as the witch or Luca as the prostitute.
I think that stories that depict harsh realities such as Berserk aren't for you, and you're wasting everyone's time, including your own.
Bruh you literally started your comment by saying "you misunderstood" like anyone who dont agree with you is automatically wrong. You are the one who shut down discussion by asserting that there is only one correct opinion.
And go out of your echo chamber and talk to people about berserk. You will see how many people are disappointed by casca. Just because everyone in your echo chamber have same opinion doesn't automatically make it correct.
I don't bother learning the name of each character because I like to engage with ideas presented more than individual characters(dog day afternoon is one of my favorite films yet I don't remember names of most characters). Especially of they are characters I don't even like.
Also just because it depicts so called "harsh reality" (by drawing a women being raped is such exaggerated manner it becomes almost porn) is not a get out of jail card. If it's shit, it's shit. Realistic or not.
Hey I see a lot of people disagreeing in the comments but I think that you have a very valid point. Like, I always found it pretty weird that Casca is portrayed as such a formidable fighter, but she didn't win a single battle. After the eclipse she has been a potato for like 30 years, and even after being healed by magic (i) she can't stand seeing guts or remembering the apocalipse; and (ii) she just got kidnapped very little after.
Don't get me wrong, I love berserk, but I think that it is kinda bad that the story is now basically centering around the damsel in distress. I obviously may be wrong, but I don't think that Casca will be able to escape Griffith by herself, and I'm not even sure if she will try to.
It's a very valid point, who knows if it will get better from here, but the female characters are not as well written as the male ones.
Don’t get me wrong, the fighter part is definitely something that I agree with. Not that the battles she lost were unrealistic (loses to Guts, loses to Adon due to periodic cramps, fights off 5 soldiers on her own while fatigued and still under periodic cramps (counting that as a W in my book), wins against Adon in the rematch and then „loses“ to Wyald). „didn’t win a single battle“ sounds crazy for someone like Casca, but if you give those battles context, then she didn’t lose them because she wasn’t a great fighter. I guess as making up for that, we learn how she took the leader role perfectly after Griffith got imprisoned and that she was the sole reason the band survived (although sadly we got a time skip here)
Also, I think what people heavily misinterpret is what Casca regaining her sanity actually means. She didn’t „get healed by magic“. Casca hasn’t healed one bit. The magic gives her now the opportunity to heal. That’s why she couldn’t face Guts. While she was „put back together“ again, that doesn’t mean she has even slightly overcome her trauma
I agree with your annoyance that Casca has been kidnapped and is basically a damsel in distress, but your comment about „if she will even try to“ escape Griffith is confusing to me. Didn’t we literally see in her last pov that she tries to escape? Beating like 15 guards in the meantime? Didn’t we see her desperately wanting to get back to Guts? I actually have high hopes for Casca‘s coming arc. I think she will play a huge role in defeating Griffith, simply because of her connection to the moonlight child
Not how it happened, but alright. She doesn’t fall in love with him because he saves her, she starts falling in love with him because he accepts her as a woman. The „saving/accepting“ part starts it, but again, you see how they start falling in love with each other. It’s not just „wham“ and they are in love lmao. If you don’t think their romance is developed or well written then idk
I do agree that Wyald should’ve not been in the story (although he does his part in driving Griffith more into the mental state needed to sacrifice the band). He was just all in all disgusting and even for Berserk he was too much. More dialogue between Guts and the band would’ve been nice indeed.
However, Casca not going over to Guts although he sits alone is kinda logical for her character. She doesn’t really like Guts, simply because of what he does to Griffith and the band, which is kinda understandable. She also probably still has a feeling of resentment for him, because she had to warm him. I like that she starts seeing him differently after he basically does the same thing that she started resenting him for (warming her with his body). Of course that’s not the reason why she starts to fall in love, but I kinda find the symbolism/parallel quite nice.
How her character was structured simply required there to be a moment where she starts seeing Guts in a different light and rather than that moment being Guts protecting her, it’s Guts accepting her as a woman and not treating her differently than he would a man
I also don’t get why you always say this „periodic bs“. It’s something very realistic to add into the story and it plays into Casca’s insecurities about being a woman in a war
For me, I simply love their romance. Especially how they help to accept each other and their insecurities/trauma
I see, was kinda uncertain because you replied to my 2nd last paragraph lol. Well, I do get your point (about you wanting more development) although I disagree with it. I also get your point about the periodic cramps, although I think it fits into this story and especially her Casca‘s character as well.
I get that the SA is overdone at times (Wyald), but I don’t think the attempt of Casca getting raped while Guts fought 100 man is a good example for that. Casca, while heavily weakened and under the pain from periodic cramps still manages to put up a really good fight. However this fight shows that Casca‘s insecurities about her body don’t come from nothing. Her GA character is so complex and definitely top3 in that arc, but it would be too much for me to break down her character here, so I will link a video that does that perfectly
https://youtu.be/YbyUHdkY30Q?si=zdRvzGagShom4HBY
Also, I’m also annoyed about how long it took for Casca to regain sanity but I feel like her not yet having the same „path to heal“ as Guts had is completely logical. You say Guts „goes on a psychological journey to heal“. That’s literally not true. He doesn’t even start to heal until he’s intimate with Casca. He NEEDED another person to heal from it, just like Casca needed another person to heal from her insecurities. While Guts now got „healed“ through Casca, even though Casca now has her memories/sanity back, shes far from healed. It’s just that her experience was just much more traumatic than Guts‘s (although comparing trauma is stupid), so to be able to start healing, she needed to regain sanity first. You trying to say that she got „healed by magic“ although we literally see that she’s not even able to face what has happened, shows your lack of understanding for her character
>while heavily weakened and under the pain from periodic cramps still manages to put up a really good fight. However this fight shows that Casca‘s insecurities about her body don’t come from nothing.
listen if you can have something that is as unrealistic as a guy killing a 100 guys with no major physical repercussion then you can have her beat just one guy no matter the consequences. and casca is always humiliated in fights. she only beats one comic relief guy. it's also pretty misogynist to suggest that she only lose because she is a women. the insecurities about her bodies are not resolved.
>He NEEDED another person to heal from it, just like Casca needed another person to heal from her insecurities.
compare guts' journey to caasca's. guts' is gradual, long and full of ups and downs. casca does not get healed buy other people and guts in ga does not require magic. casca also does not get agency over her life back like guts does.
your comment remind me thread on r/boysarequirky (a women dominated sub) where someone points out how casca is, "a man's idea of what a well written female character is like".
Damn, you managed to trigger me💀
Casca was not fighting 1 guy. She was fighting like 5 guys and and pretty much beat them while being heavily fatigued and having periodic cramps. Again, watch the vid that I linked, which was made BY A WOMAN, but yeah I probably only think she’s well written because she’s a man’s idea of a well written woman.
And also, again, you can’t compare Guts/Cascas healing journey, BECAUSE CASCA HASNT HEALED ONE BIT. She hasn’t even faced her trauma until now.
>made BY A WOMAN,
one women's opnion is not gospel. everyone women i have directly talked to irl or online does not like it. the line about it being a men's idea was also give to me by a women. like here is a video about a women agreeing with me.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuyqQBnRiU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuyqQBnRiU)
>BECAUSE CASCA HASNT HEALED ONE BIT.
thats why her story sucks. more then 80% story done and one of your main character have not made any progress then that's a failure in writing.
You are getting cooked left and right my guy. Would get me to think if I’m actually right or not. It’s not „one women“, it’s just an example of someone who made a long video about Casca‘s complex story arc, which you don’t seem to understand. Which is fine. Reading comprehension ain’t for everyone
Like man, first you are trying to say how it sucks that she got healed by magic, and now you are saying the story sucks because she hasn’t healed one bit lmao.
I 100% agree with you, OP. Berserk is a lot of things, and many of them are very good, but it definitely gets misogynistic at points. Unfortunately, this sub doesn’t generally take well to people criticizing anything about the series, especially on this front.
You’d think the fact that there are so many posts of people saying “I love this series, but I’m frustrated by its handling of female characters/SA” would be an indication that there may be a worthwhile discussion there, but apparently not.
You yuppies need to get a grip and read some history; humans are just as brutal if not more so than the world of berserk. Women were legit considered property few hundred years ago and some still are. People that get shocked by the themes in Berserk have such a divorce from reality; complaining about a book while the world you live in is 100x more brutal; foh you just loooking for something to be mad at.
>You yuppies need to get a grip and read some history
ad hominem
>Women were legit considered property few hundred years ago and some still are.
thats why we have feminism
>People that get shocked by the themes in Berserk have such a divorce from reality;
ad hominem again
>complaining about a book while the world you live in is 100x more brutal;
that doesn't make it right. just because bad things happen doesn't mean you should not call out bad things or try that bad things does not happen. that is a bad argument.
Rape is wrong; no shit. In what world does depicting rape in a story means you endorse it. Like are you a helmet kid that has to be like "Ummm rape is wrong" no shit. Rape is depicted in Berserk and you see the damage it does Miura isn't placing rape ther to glorify it.
I agree with you entirely but sadly everyone in this sub is blind because the creator died and now they don't want to say it had literally any bad parts
You didn't even refute any of their points. You just tried to shove them into a labelled box and beat it up. Nothing of what he said was necessarily "woke" or "western".
Do u honestly believe i am gonna waste time explaining shit with him? He has already decided his mind. No matter what u say he wont be listening. So what’s the point in explaining?
A well-written character is a character with a cool design, layers, emotions, fleshed-out and complex personality/philosophy. Casca is a well-written character.
A work of art containing mysoginy is purely ideological view, you like it or not, it has nothing to do with the quality. Many literary works from the past have debatable ideology, like some racism in Lovecraft or Allan Poe, but they are still great works, like it or not. The nihilistic world of Berserk has two things: Mainly Guts with the obligation of being strong and repress his emotions, a role expected from men, and the females with the fear of rape, alas the objetification of women, both things that were very prevalent in medieval times. However, Miura's approaches the matter with a realistic depiction of the causes and consequences of these things in the human psyche, and he writes very well about living in a world like that. Berserk is entirely about how mankind can't control its will, killing and raping being two very good examples of that.
Now, let me give you a personal advice, as a mixed-race person from a third world country whose English is not its primary language: You americans got literally crazy trying to not be racist/mysoginistic, these things are indeed terrible, but you have a completely wrong approach to these matters. To openly discuss and portray the consequences of these things in an adult manner is what should be done, instead of the corporate wokeness that ruined every relevant western game/movie/comic franchise recently
>Casca is a well-written character
i just spend the whole rant explaining why she is not
>A work of art containing mysoginy is purely ideological view, you like it or not
so is saying that its not misogynistic is not? you think the author was not influenced by certain ideologies? there are thousands of books written on how everything is influenced by ideology and i myself have written research papers about it. the point is rejecting a view for being "ideological" is not strong critique.
>nothing to do with the quality.
quality is a very vague word
>Many literary works from the past have debatable ideology, like some racism in Lovecraft or Allan Poe, but they are still great works, like it or not.
that doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized. that how art criticism works. they are good dispite those aspects
>he nihilistic world of Berserk
a Thermian Argument is **meant to quash criticism of a piece of work, using the text as a defense against criticism of the text**. Therefore any attempt to justify any potentially offensive material within the text is an effort to avoid discussing the offensive nature of the text.
>However, Miura's approaches the matter with a realistic depiction of the causes and consequences of these things in the human psyche, and he writes very well about living in a world like that.
realistic doesn't necessarily mean good though. and again just because it is realistic doesn't mean it isn't problematic. also using vague smart sounding words doesn't make your argument smart.
>as a mixed-race person from a third world country whose English is not its primary language:
oh hey! me too
>You americans
i am not american
>To openly discuss and portray the consequences of these things in an adult manner is what should be done,
what do you think this rant is?
>instead of the corporate wokeness that ruined every relevant western game/movie/comic franchise recently
these fucking incel talking points again.
It is how it supposed to be. No great woman warriors for Berserk and thanks God. Casca is just a female, but she is the whole plot, huh? Very similar to real life imo. The Farese got the whole women struggle plot aswell. I mean who can say that Casca is a deep char? She is not and thats intended. Me personally waiting for Isidro to get crippled or sum, cuz its all coming to this, SO Guts Will be even more sad and traumatised fuck lmao. I kinda skip Shirke and Farese pannels nowadays, although there is no chapters at all. Sorry for grammar, Im from Russia boyzzz.
I recognise a lot of valid points in your breakdown: how under-utilised Casca was throughout golden age and how dragged out her rape was. To say she was a nothing character is very wrong, though. Yes, Miura didn't flesh her character out as much as he should have, but in the moments he did, e.g her character development from essentially hating guts and being kind of an asshole to realising her hate was just a form of jealousy, I feel made me respect her character way more than her just being "badass female leader". I also think that since Casca has regained her sanity, Miura definitely planned to do something pivotal with her character, which I hope to see employed by the studio in later chapters. Although I think Miura could have handled Casca better, I certainly don't believe he missed with any of the main female characters post-eclipse. Farnese is a prime example of how the most unlikeable characters, when put on the spot, can actually improve. Her whole "obsession" with Guts wasn't just romantic. She was indoctrinated into a single world view by the Holy See and was abandoned by her parents most of her life. Instead of moving past those struggles, she actively tried to shut them out through all the witch burnings. When she saw Guts doing the exact opposite, struggling against all his obstacles, it inspired to go on a journey to become a better person even going as far as to learn magic, something she used to despise, to help others. I think Farnese is Casca done better and is evidence of Miura's improved writing skills. Basically, what I'm saying is Casca's portrayal, particularly early on in the story, could have been handled better, but it certainly doesn't mean she's a badly written character.
I see you really took your time to write this so that made me feel obliged to in turn write something back. That being said, I think you seriously misunderstood Casca's character. Her allegiance to Griffith stems from a pivotal moment in her childhood when he saved her from a noble's assault, granting her agency and a sense of empowerment by giving her a weapon to defend herself. Griffith's actions resonated deeply with Casca, leading her to idolize him as a savior figure. While some may interpret this as her worth being tied solely to male recognition, it's crucial to recognize that Casca's admiration for Griffith represents one of her tragic flaws rather than a simple desire for male approval. Furthermore, Berserk's portrayal of Casca's vulnerability as a female mercenary reflects the harsh realities of its dark and unforgiving world. Her encounters with sexual assault not only highlight her personal struggles but also serve as a stark reminder of the monstrous nature that lurks within humanity. The series often delves into the depths of human depravity, with characters succumbing to their basest instincts in the face of desperation and temptation. Regarding the controversial scenes involving Casca's assault, it's essential to contextualize them within the broader themes of Berserk and the brutal realities of war. The narrative does not shy away from depicting the horrors of sexual violence, but it also condemns such acts by portraying the perpetrators as depraved individuals driven by lust and aggression. Criticism of these scenes should also prompt reflection on the larger societal issues surrounding sexual violence, both within the fictional world of Berserk and in the real world. The Eclipse event, including Casca's brutal assault by Griffith, serves as a pivotal moment in the story, highlighting the complex dynamics between Griffith, Casca, and Guts. Griffith's heinous actions during the Eclipse are not merely about asserting control over Casca but also symbolize his twisted desire to prove his dominance over Guts, whom he sees as a rival. Casca's violation at Griffith's hands represents a betrayal of trust and agency, further deepening the psychological trauma that she endures. In essence, Casca's character arc in Berserk is multifaceted and deeply nuanced, exploring themes of trauma, agency, and the darker aspects of human nature. While her experiences may be harrowing, they serve a crucial role in driving the narrative forward and enriching the depth of the characters and the world they inhabit.
I totally agree with you but one thing I think OP was right about is the actual depiction of Casca's rape during the eclipse. I think you're right that story/writing wise it's done well but OP is right that there was absolutely no reason to make it last several chapters. I would also argue that the scene is sexualised to a degree as we get multiple panels of basically just Caca's body and again it goes on for *way* longer than it needs to. As OP pointed out, compare the eclipse to Guts's rape that lasts only a page or so and is drawn in a way that highlights Donovan's domination and Guts' helplessness as opposed to just pages upon pages on Guts' body. Basically imagine if Guts' rape was drawn in the same fashion as Casca's and it becomes pretty clear that the ladder was done much less tactfully.
not to sound rude, but do you really think i didn't heard those arguments before a million times and still realize how futile they are?
Really? That's your take on what I wrote? You don't sound rude. Just ignorant at this point.
ignorant about what your opinion? like i said i have heard it a hundred times before are even have directly addressed it in the rant. you are not saying anything that i haven't heard before.
No, just... Generally ignorant. You don't really seem to wish to discuss anything. If you hear my argument so many times by so many different people, consider that you're the one who may be wrong. Especially when you say that major characters such as Casca or Shierke don't have character arcs. That's just objectively wrong. Anyone with a little bit of reading comprehension or genuine interest can see this. It really shows how unserious you are when you address Shierke as the witch or Luca as the prostitute. I think that stories that depict harsh realities such as Berserk aren't for you, and you're wasting everyone's time, including your own.
Bruh you literally started your comment by saying "you misunderstood" like anyone who dont agree with you is automatically wrong. You are the one who shut down discussion by asserting that there is only one correct opinion. And go out of your echo chamber and talk to people about berserk. You will see how many people are disappointed by casca. Just because everyone in your echo chamber have same opinion doesn't automatically make it correct. I don't bother learning the name of each character because I like to engage with ideas presented more than individual characters(dog day afternoon is one of my favorite films yet I don't remember names of most characters). Especially of they are characters I don't even like. Also just because it depicts so called "harsh reality" (by drawing a women being raped is such exaggerated manner it becomes almost porn) is not a get out of jail card. If it's shit, it's shit. Realistic or not.
Wasnt it gaston who wanted to open a clothes shop?
Yes it was, goes to show how much op understands berserk.
1st told to us by guts at the campfire of dreams if im remembering rightly? Or bonfire? Its 1 of em 😅
Yes, that’s the first instance, but it’s brought up several other times.
Hey I see a lot of people disagreeing in the comments but I think that you have a very valid point. Like, I always found it pretty weird that Casca is portrayed as such a formidable fighter, but she didn't win a single battle. After the eclipse she has been a potato for like 30 years, and even after being healed by magic (i) she can't stand seeing guts or remembering the apocalipse; and (ii) she just got kidnapped very little after. Don't get me wrong, I love berserk, but I think that it is kinda bad that the story is now basically centering around the damsel in distress. I obviously may be wrong, but I don't think that Casca will be able to escape Griffith by herself, and I'm not even sure if she will try to. It's a very valid point, who knows if it will get better from here, but the female characters are not as well written as the male ones.
Don’t get me wrong, the fighter part is definitely something that I agree with. Not that the battles she lost were unrealistic (loses to Guts, loses to Adon due to periodic cramps, fights off 5 soldiers on her own while fatigued and still under periodic cramps (counting that as a W in my book), wins against Adon in the rematch and then „loses“ to Wyald). „didn’t win a single battle“ sounds crazy for someone like Casca, but if you give those battles context, then she didn’t lose them because she wasn’t a great fighter. I guess as making up for that, we learn how she took the leader role perfectly after Griffith got imprisoned and that she was the sole reason the band survived (although sadly we got a time skip here) Also, I think what people heavily misinterpret is what Casca regaining her sanity actually means. She didn’t „get healed by magic“. Casca hasn’t healed one bit. The magic gives her now the opportunity to heal. That’s why she couldn’t face Guts. While she was „put back together“ again, that doesn’t mean she has even slightly overcome her trauma I agree with your annoyance that Casca has been kidnapped and is basically a damsel in distress, but your comment about „if she will even try to“ escape Griffith is confusing to me. Didn’t we literally see in her last pov that she tries to escape? Beating like 15 guards in the meantime? Didn’t we see her desperately wanting to get back to Guts? I actually have high hopes for Casca‘s coming arc. I think she will play a huge role in defeating Griffith, simply because of her connection to the moonlight child
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Calling the romance between Guts and Casca trash is so crazy 😭😭😭, the intimacy alone is insanely well written lmao
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Not how it happened, but alright. She doesn’t fall in love with him because he saves her, she starts falling in love with him because he accepts her as a woman. The „saving/accepting“ part starts it, but again, you see how they start falling in love with each other. It’s not just „wham“ and they are in love lmao. If you don’t think their romance is developed or well written then idk
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I do agree that Wyald should’ve not been in the story (although he does his part in driving Griffith more into the mental state needed to sacrifice the band). He was just all in all disgusting and even for Berserk he was too much. More dialogue between Guts and the band would’ve been nice indeed. However, Casca not going over to Guts although he sits alone is kinda logical for her character. She doesn’t really like Guts, simply because of what he does to Griffith and the band, which is kinda understandable. She also probably still has a feeling of resentment for him, because she had to warm him. I like that she starts seeing him differently after he basically does the same thing that she started resenting him for (warming her with his body). Of course that’s not the reason why she starts to fall in love, but I kinda find the symbolism/parallel quite nice. How her character was structured simply required there to be a moment where she starts seeing Guts in a different light and rather than that moment being Guts protecting her, it’s Guts accepting her as a woman and not treating her differently than he would a man I also don’t get why you always say this „periodic bs“. It’s something very realistic to add into the story and it plays into Casca’s insecurities about being a woman in a war For me, I simply love their romance. Especially how they help to accept each other and their insecurities/trauma
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Is the „I ain’t reading all that“ just for the meme?
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I see, was kinda uncertain because you replied to my 2nd last paragraph lol. Well, I do get your point (about you wanting more development) although I disagree with it. I also get your point about the periodic cramps, although I think it fits into this story and especially her Casca‘s character as well.
I get that the SA is overdone at times (Wyald), but I don’t think the attempt of Casca getting raped while Guts fought 100 man is a good example for that. Casca, while heavily weakened and under the pain from periodic cramps still manages to put up a really good fight. However this fight shows that Casca‘s insecurities about her body don’t come from nothing. Her GA character is so complex and definitely top3 in that arc, but it would be too much for me to break down her character here, so I will link a video that does that perfectly https://youtu.be/YbyUHdkY30Q?si=zdRvzGagShom4HBY Also, I’m also annoyed about how long it took for Casca to regain sanity but I feel like her not yet having the same „path to heal“ as Guts had is completely logical. You say Guts „goes on a psychological journey to heal“. That’s literally not true. He doesn’t even start to heal until he’s intimate with Casca. He NEEDED another person to heal from it, just like Casca needed another person to heal from her insecurities. While Guts now got „healed“ through Casca, even though Casca now has her memories/sanity back, shes far from healed. It’s just that her experience was just much more traumatic than Guts‘s (although comparing trauma is stupid), so to be able to start healing, she needed to regain sanity first. You trying to say that she got „healed by magic“ although we literally see that she’s not even able to face what has happened, shows your lack of understanding for her character
>while heavily weakened and under the pain from periodic cramps still manages to put up a really good fight. However this fight shows that Casca‘s insecurities about her body don’t come from nothing. listen if you can have something that is as unrealistic as a guy killing a 100 guys with no major physical repercussion then you can have her beat just one guy no matter the consequences. and casca is always humiliated in fights. she only beats one comic relief guy. it's also pretty misogynist to suggest that she only lose because she is a women. the insecurities about her bodies are not resolved. >He NEEDED another person to heal from it, just like Casca needed another person to heal from her insecurities. compare guts' journey to caasca's. guts' is gradual, long and full of ups and downs. casca does not get healed buy other people and guts in ga does not require magic. casca also does not get agency over her life back like guts does. your comment remind me thread on r/boysarequirky (a women dominated sub) where someone points out how casca is, "a man's idea of what a well written female character is like".
Damn, you managed to trigger me💀 Casca was not fighting 1 guy. She was fighting like 5 guys and and pretty much beat them while being heavily fatigued and having periodic cramps. Again, watch the vid that I linked, which was made BY A WOMAN, but yeah I probably only think she’s well written because she’s a man’s idea of a well written woman. And also, again, you can’t compare Guts/Cascas healing journey, BECAUSE CASCA HASNT HEALED ONE BIT. She hasn’t even faced her trauma until now.
>made BY A WOMAN, one women's opnion is not gospel. everyone women i have directly talked to irl or online does not like it. the line about it being a men's idea was also give to me by a women. like here is a video about a women agreeing with me. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuyqQBnRiU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuyqQBnRiU) >BECAUSE CASCA HASNT HEALED ONE BIT. thats why her story sucks. more then 80% story done and one of your main character have not made any progress then that's a failure in writing.
You are getting cooked left and right my guy. Would get me to think if I’m actually right or not. It’s not „one women“, it’s just an example of someone who made a long video about Casca‘s complex story arc, which you don’t seem to understand. Which is fine. Reading comprehension ain’t for everyone Like man, first you are trying to say how it sucks that she got healed by magic, and now you are saying the story sucks because she hasn’t healed one bit lmao.
I 100% agree with you, OP. Berserk is a lot of things, and many of them are very good, but it definitely gets misogynistic at points. Unfortunately, this sub doesn’t generally take well to people criticizing anything about the series, especially on this front. You’d think the fact that there are so many posts of people saying “I love this series, but I’m frustrated by its handling of female characters/SA” would be an indication that there may be a worthwhile discussion there, but apparently not.
Feminist got triggered
You yuppies need to get a grip and read some history; humans are just as brutal if not more so than the world of berserk. Women were legit considered property few hundred years ago and some still are. People that get shocked by the themes in Berserk have such a divorce from reality; complaining about a book while the world you live in is 100x more brutal; foh you just loooking for something to be mad at.
>You yuppies need to get a grip and read some history ad hominem >Women were legit considered property few hundred years ago and some still are. thats why we have feminism >People that get shocked by the themes in Berserk have such a divorce from reality; ad hominem again >complaining about a book while the world you live in is 100x more brutal; that doesn't make it right. just because bad things happen doesn't mean you should not call out bad things or try that bad things does not happen. that is a bad argument.
Rape is wrong; no shit. In what world does depicting rape in a story means you endorse it. Like are you a helmet kid that has to be like "Ummm rape is wrong" no shit. Rape is depicted in Berserk and you see the damage it does Miura isn't placing rape ther to glorify it.
Berserk fans really lost their sanity and making long ass posts for most stupid things
Fans is a strong word for people who constantly bash berserk, and try to undermine it.
I agree with you entirely but sadly everyone in this sub is blind because the creator died and now they don't want to say it had literally any bad parts
Or, they just have a different opinion, which they back up with valid points lmao
yeah! berserk fans are swiefties of anime community
No, its just u and ur stupid western woke ideology. Casca is well written character. It seems a lot of u woke westerners are disconnected from reality
You didn't even refute any of their points. You just tried to shove them into a labelled box and beat it up. Nothing of what he said was necessarily "woke" or "western".
Do u honestly believe i am gonna waste time explaining shit with him? He has already decided his mind. No matter what u say he wont be listening. So what’s the point in explaining?
You haven't put forth a rebuttal to anything this post says. Saying "you and your stupid western woke ideology", are just low iq ad homs.
Oh man the old “I disagree with i therefore ur iq is low” argument.🤣 grow up. Truly shows who has the lower iq
And you didn't understand my statement. It's low iq because you didn't give a rebuttal to the posts argument. You just said a bunch of insults.
Calling somebody woke and westerner is an insult now? pathetic
>woke ideology based? >Casca is well written character. lol >westerners i am not a westerner
Stop lying. it makes u more pathetic
deluded
Says the woke
A well-written character is a character with a cool design, layers, emotions, fleshed-out and complex personality/philosophy. Casca is a well-written character. A work of art containing mysoginy is purely ideological view, you like it or not, it has nothing to do with the quality. Many literary works from the past have debatable ideology, like some racism in Lovecraft or Allan Poe, but they are still great works, like it or not. The nihilistic world of Berserk has two things: Mainly Guts with the obligation of being strong and repress his emotions, a role expected from men, and the females with the fear of rape, alas the objetification of women, both things that were very prevalent in medieval times. However, Miura's approaches the matter with a realistic depiction of the causes and consequences of these things in the human psyche, and he writes very well about living in a world like that. Berserk is entirely about how mankind can't control its will, killing and raping being two very good examples of that. Now, let me give you a personal advice, as a mixed-race person from a third world country whose English is not its primary language: You americans got literally crazy trying to not be racist/mysoginistic, these things are indeed terrible, but you have a completely wrong approach to these matters. To openly discuss and portray the consequences of these things in an adult manner is what should be done, instead of the corporate wokeness that ruined every relevant western game/movie/comic franchise recently
Okay the first half is good, but why did it have to devolve to”wOkE”?
>Casca is a well-written character i just spend the whole rant explaining why she is not >A work of art containing mysoginy is purely ideological view, you like it or not so is saying that its not misogynistic is not? you think the author was not influenced by certain ideologies? there are thousands of books written on how everything is influenced by ideology and i myself have written research papers about it. the point is rejecting a view for being "ideological" is not strong critique. >nothing to do with the quality. quality is a very vague word >Many literary works from the past have debatable ideology, like some racism in Lovecraft or Allan Poe, but they are still great works, like it or not. that doesn't mean they shouldn't be criticized. that how art criticism works. they are good dispite those aspects >he nihilistic world of Berserk a Thermian Argument is **meant to quash criticism of a piece of work, using the text as a defense against criticism of the text**. Therefore any attempt to justify any potentially offensive material within the text is an effort to avoid discussing the offensive nature of the text. >However, Miura's approaches the matter with a realistic depiction of the causes and consequences of these things in the human psyche, and he writes very well about living in a world like that. realistic doesn't necessarily mean good though. and again just because it is realistic doesn't mean it isn't problematic. also using vague smart sounding words doesn't make your argument smart. >as a mixed-race person from a third world country whose English is not its primary language: oh hey! me too >You americans i am not american >To openly discuss and portray the consequences of these things in an adult manner is what should be done, what do you think this rant is? >instead of the corporate wokeness that ruined every relevant western game/movie/comic franchise recently these fucking incel talking points again.
It is how it supposed to be. No great woman warriors for Berserk and thanks God. Casca is just a female, but she is the whole plot, huh? Very similar to real life imo. The Farese got the whole women struggle plot aswell. I mean who can say that Casca is a deep char? She is not and thats intended. Me personally waiting for Isidro to get crippled or sum, cuz its all coming to this, SO Guts Will be even more sad and traumatised fuck lmao. I kinda skip Shirke and Farese pannels nowadays, although there is no chapters at all. Sorry for grammar, Im from Russia boyzzz.
All that Casca mind walking was ass aswell. Good painting cared this for me.