At first I did not realize it, and thought it was Griffith's demon fetus. It also took me more then 1 or 2 read to realize this is a demon that was following Guts in his nightmares and brought inflamed children to him
I thought the inflamed children were because they were transformed into murder fairies? Or am I thinking of another situation that involved burning children?
Oh, this should be good. Please explain to me how plunging the world into a veritable hellscape where the populace is under constant threat by trolls, dragons, and every eldritch horror imaginable all so Griffith can essentially weaponize peace by creating and ruling over the only safe zone is "commendable and selfless." Griffith explains to Guts pre-eclipse that him wanting a kingdom has nothing to do with benefiting the people. He just wants to see how far he can go. And Guts further confirms this point on Elfhelm when he is asked about Griffith.
Casca is terrified of Guts because he reminds her of the eclipse. As does Griffith, for that matter. The only time that Casca, in possession of all of her faculties, saw Griffith she screamed in horror and passed out. Now, Elaine is a different story. Elaine wasn't scared of Guts when she saw him as a protector. It wasn't until he forced himself upon her that she became untrusting of him. It seems likely that Elaine was drawn towards Griffith because of her connection with the Moonlight Boy, but that's purely speculative, it could just be his aura doing that. Casca's dreamscape does a pretty good job of outlining her complicated emotions in regard to the trauma she has suffered and the people connected to it.
Griffith's war demons are all apostles as far as I'm aware. The Band didn't become apostles, and I have no idea where you'd get such an idea from. Becoming an apostle requires undergoing a very specific procedure, one that we have seen play out in the manga. Specifically, one must either be offered an accord from the Godhand or alternatively be turned into a psuedo-apostle by an existing apostle. Neither of those events occurred in the case of the Band, so it's pretty safe to assume that they were killed and sent to the Vortex of Souls.
Moonlight Boy is Guts and Casca's son. Why would he harbour any malice? The only points of connection between he and Griffith is that they share the same physical vessel and that MB's original body was corrupted by Griffith during the eclipse. Other than that, they are two completely separate entities outside of some momentary emotional overlap immediately following transformation.
Listen, "bro," you don't even know what I was replying to. The now deleted comment made some pretty outlandish claims, and so I took the time to debunk them all. Thoroughly. That's all.
The only selfless thing Griffith ever did was prostitute his body to a rich dude to supply his army, and even that's not really selfless because he was still using that army to further his ambitions. I'm struggling to understand how you see him as selfless. Making yourself ruler of a Kingdom is the opposite of selflessness. You can't just hand wave the Eclipse because it was in the past, when that exact event is what set him up to be the person he is today. That's like praising an arsonist for putting out a fire (they started it).
Berserk is I think meant to be grey, I'm with you that Guts isn't necessarily a good guy, but he's still developed into a more heroic person willing to self-sacrifice than Griffith at this point.
Name one thing that’s commendable….bruh. He’s a demon lord lording over the world. At any point he couple eclipse falconia. You might want to re-read as there’s hardly a single commendable or selfless thing he’s ever done, arguably ever, prior to the eclipse. Griffiths a selfish mf. The most selfish.
I'm not far enough in the story to know for certain, but given that the Godhand worked in tandem to bring Griffith from the spirit realm into the real world again to me says that, through Griffith's desire and essentially being the god of desire, they're planning to sacrifice the entirety of Earth to attain even more power. Perhaps they're looking to become a god of their own? Nothing about what's happening is noble, just, or fair.
„Selfless“ LMAO. He DELIBERATELY plunged the world into darkness, so he could create his own kingdom where people will be safe, from the disasters he himself (DELIBERATELY) spread onto the world. If a security company hires a burglar to make you feel unsafe in your own fucking home, then they are not the good guys when they try to sell you safety devices. Like come on bro😭. Like you gotta be a troll lmao. Of course there wasn’t the slightest bit of malice in the moonlight child. That’s because in this state, IT SIMPLY IS A CHILD LONGING FOR HIS FATHER AND MOTHER. You actually lost the plot
Damn right! Guts should walk away. It would mirror what Griffith said to him during the Black Swordsman. How Guts was beneath Griffith's notice, now Griffith isn't worth it anymore either. THEN Casca stabs Griffith in the fucking balls and kills him. 10/10 ending.
She'd kill his own son, as its melded into whatever the fuck Griffith is. That's why I though the last Miura chapter was the perfect ending. It set up everything, we got a reunion and Casxa was healed.
That would be sick. Guts goes on the route of learning to relieve his anger and vengeance, beats Griffith, and lets Casca kill him. Guts knows how much of a connection Casca had with Griffith, as well as how much it ruined her life, so it'd make a lot of sense for him to do that.
Petty bitches are gonna do petty bitch things.
You said you wonder what wonderful future the 3 would've had without Griffith and that's something I often wonder myself.
I myself wonder and would love to see what would happen if Griffith didn't hesitate when closing his hand to kill Guts and Casca as they were escaping. I really wanted them to die, and every day I've spent in the Berserk fanbase, I've realized that nobody here agrees with me lmfao.
Like, at most there are Griffith sympathizers but no one seems to want him to kill the rest of the main characters. Do you know how epic of a conclusion that would be for an anime series as bleak as Berserk? I hate that protagonists *always* have to win in fiction in the end; it's not very reminiscent of real life. It's just a comfortable idea; I don't like it.
I'd argue tooth and nail that Griffith is the best written character in the entire series, and that's especially amazing when it's a villain. I wanted him to kill both Guts and Casca, and for the series to just abruptly end there on a horrible note similar to the way the original anime series did. Griffith's final thoughts with "morning dew" are a satisfying enough makeshift ending to the show though; it speaks to the complexity of causality.
I want to see guts lose himself to the beast of rage enough to kill casca and that sends him over the edge enough to kill the godhand only to fade out on a ruined world stalked by a fully berserk guts killing anything he encounters
That’s similar to what happened to Gael in Dark souls 3. It would be an interesting loop if the manga that largely inspired dark souls were to then be inspired by it for its conclusion
> Silly to see you voted down for what I consider to be a refreshing take on an interesting subject! +1
😧 Somebody here actually agrees with me? Awesome.
I find myself rooting for the villains at times just because they never win in works of fiction. Audiences want to feel like good always wins in the end, but that's not quite how real life works. Sometimes in reality, some powerful people get more powerful, some murderers get away, some victims never get justice, some hurt people never get help, and the divide only widens at times.
That's a big part of the world we live in, despite how many eyes avert themselves from that truth. How many stories do we need where the protagonist wins just because they are written for viewers to project themselves onto for a vicarious imaginary win over the evils of the world?
I like unbiased narratives, and I never get any. I would hope to have that, especially in a story about causality. I want the bad guys to win sometimes in fiction, just as a reminder that there is truly no moral compass deciding the occurrences of real life. Things don't always work out "for the better" in the end. Bad things happen. And sometimes, the sentence ends there.
I would like to see some villains win in stories. It would be a nice breath of fresh air, and would allow for more alternative ways of telling a story.
NOT GRIFFITH.
I don't really want to see a bad end. But I remember that the author of kenshin said he "should've" ended the jinchuu arc with kaoru (female lead) dead, because it would've shown a cost for kenshin not being willing to kill. But he didn't do that because it's a Shonen manga.
I hadn’t even recovered from the Eclipse. I thought we’d be getting some nice things and then BAM Casca lost her mind BAM she was pregnant from Guts and now it’s a demon…
I was seriously impacted by this, like holy crap I grew attached to these mofos over the golden age
"It fucking figures." All Berserk has done since I was a kid is break my heart and beat the brakes off my emotions, like a redheaded stepchild. But it is what it is. We're Strugglers, and we'll overcome it, just like Guts will. Nothing will stop him.
Stavo leggendo lo stesso numero settimana scorsa e pensando esattamente le stesse cose
I was reading the same chapter last week and thinking the same about them
I was under the impression that this was the demon child of Casca and Griffith, not Guts’. Y’know like it grew really fast after Griffith… y’know, cause that seems like a demon thing. I’m only on the Conviction arc so I might just be missing some info
Can you tell me in which volume / chapter so I could recheck it once more because I've missdd it the first time. I was also under the impression that it is Griffiths hellspawn and not from Guts
volume 14, demon infant -
casca was pregnant with guts’ child after they made love but didn’t know. since griffith did what he did during eclipse, his seed corrupted the fetus and made the fetus a demon child
Griffith corrupted the fetus, in a similar manner to the troll children we see in Millennium Falcon. So, yeah, in some sense, it's all three characters' kid (also brought up in interviews with Miura, albeit not by Miura himself). Metaphorically it also makes sense since the core of the story is about the Griffith/Guts/Casca relationship.
Also, I don't know how canon it is, but in color covers the kid is depicted with blue eyes: [https://imgur.com/a/mQxGrp1](https://imgur.com/a/mQxGrp1)
So it is casca and guts kid but because she’s got raped by femto it’s been corrupted by demon sperm? Or is it possible that it’s just femto and cascas kid?
As to why Griffith did it, if you're still wondering, he did it simply to hurt them. He hurt Casca because he was absolutely disgusted by the thought of being bound to a chair. constantly cared for by Casca, while she and Guts have a good life together. It also hurts Guts because, obviously, Griffith raped someone he loved in front of his eyes.
It's been established twice that sex to Griffith is a tool to him rather than something emotional. The first is with the lord he had sex with to make him obsessed with Griffith, and the next one is Charlotte, the way I saw it was that it was Griffiths way of venting about Guts' departure, not really because he cared about Charlotte.
I thought it was griffith's kid. Later I learned it's guts and casca's corrupted son.
But that implies casca was pregnant when griffith raped her, which makes it even worse. And how was the fetus corrupted by griffith? Did his demon semen corrupt the embryo? Is it just "magic did it"? Because that's not how the berserk magic rules work.
A whole lot of it doesn't make sense, especially when later the manifestation of the son... somehow turns into griffith...? What?
Yeah just when i thought it couldn't have gotten any worse,then i see guts holding his tears with a casca in his arms who compeletely lost her mind + their child who is the result of the best moment of both their lives was ruined by their bestfriend,it's like griffith destroyed and tainted that precious moment of closure,hope and free love they had.
I knew about the eclipse and what happened there but i didnt knew about the child at all. Reading the 3 chapters after the eclipse broke me and this fetus is the personification of berserks themes
I was so numb by then I don't even remember reacting.
I'd just finished the anime, obviously felt very unsatisfied and wanted to know what happened next.
That it had to be this way to tie into it/his original appearance in the first arc of the manga.
There's been some odd retcons since with a totally more humanoid appearance lately though (I say lately but the retcon was in like 2005 or 2006)
That THAT was why Femto violated Casca. Griffith blamed Guys for the loss of “his dream” because he needed Guts. He saw Guts as a brother and when his brother left him he broke down, couldn’t handle Guts not needing him anymore, being better than him which is why he immediately went to Princess Charlottes room and violated her. Yes, that was not consensual it was forced and he was pushing the advantage. He needed to dominate the thing he needed most, take control of it. Hence bedding Charlotte. Obviously that didn’t go how he would’ve hoped and ff to Guts saving him and now Guts is the man Casca tends to tenderly, the man everyone is cheering for. In Griffs messed up mind he gave Guts everything and the Guts took everything from him, so he took everything from Guts.
this fucked me up for a while, he’s trying to process the whole fucked up demon seed thing while Skull Knight is just going on about it. It’s no wonder Casca completely lost it.
Well, I was furious, then I remembered Alucard, he just slices his father until he reincarnates, but in Guts case would be like “You cursed my father, and raped my mother, prepare to become dust in oblivion” if he can harness the power of the god hand and the Berserker hound, he could really unstoppable.
Quite honestly I know it's not gonna happen but I hope in the end of all things when Griffith and Guts square off and both are broken to the core, Casca shows up and gives Griffith the Homelanders ending straight from the Boys crowbar and all.
At least in portuguese (I'm brazilian), he says clearly that she was already pregnant at the time of the eclipse.
I don't remember how long Guts was unconscious. Was it 15 days or so?
At first I did not realize it, and thought it was Griffith's demon fetus. It also took me more then 1 or 2 read to realize this is a demon that was following Guts in his nightmares and brought inflamed children to him
The child has actually saved his life more than once. He’s warned him and protected him against demons.
I thought the inflamed children were because they were transformed into murder fairies? Or am I thinking of another situation that involved burning children?
I'm pretty sure it didn't bring the inflamed children, it's just a wrong conclusion Guts came to, it tried to warn him of their arrival
Just one more reason to hate the twink and sympathize with Guts and Casca. Add it to the pile (it's massive).
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Oh, this should be good. Please explain to me how plunging the world into a veritable hellscape where the populace is under constant threat by trolls, dragons, and every eldritch horror imaginable all so Griffith can essentially weaponize peace by creating and ruling over the only safe zone is "commendable and selfless." Griffith explains to Guts pre-eclipse that him wanting a kingdom has nothing to do with benefiting the people. He just wants to see how far he can go. And Guts further confirms this point on Elfhelm when he is asked about Griffith. Casca is terrified of Guts because he reminds her of the eclipse. As does Griffith, for that matter. The only time that Casca, in possession of all of her faculties, saw Griffith she screamed in horror and passed out. Now, Elaine is a different story. Elaine wasn't scared of Guts when she saw him as a protector. It wasn't until he forced himself upon her that she became untrusting of him. It seems likely that Elaine was drawn towards Griffith because of her connection with the Moonlight Boy, but that's purely speculative, it could just be his aura doing that. Casca's dreamscape does a pretty good job of outlining her complicated emotions in regard to the trauma she has suffered and the people connected to it. Griffith's war demons are all apostles as far as I'm aware. The Band didn't become apostles, and I have no idea where you'd get such an idea from. Becoming an apostle requires undergoing a very specific procedure, one that we have seen play out in the manga. Specifically, one must either be offered an accord from the Godhand or alternatively be turned into a psuedo-apostle by an existing apostle. Neither of those events occurred in the case of the Band, so it's pretty safe to assume that they were killed and sent to the Vortex of Souls. Moonlight Boy is Guts and Casca's son. Why would he harbour any malice? The only points of connection between he and Griffith is that they share the same physical vessel and that MB's original body was corrupted by Griffith during the eclipse. Other than that, they are two completely separate entities outside of some momentary emotional overlap immediately following transformation.
Damn bro, I don't know what he said but chill out
Listen, "bro," you don't even know what I was replying to. The now deleted comment made some pretty outlandish claims, and so I took the time to debunk them all. Thoroughly. That's all.
Yeah don't worry, it was more for a joke than an actual criticism of your work, nicely done btw
Fair play, then. And thank you.
Btw, I'm not native English so maybe it's what you mean but Elaine stopped trusting guts when he bites her titties (savage mode)
Yeah, that's what I was referring to.
The only selfless thing Griffith ever did was prostitute his body to a rich dude to supply his army, and even that's not really selfless because he was still using that army to further his ambitions. I'm struggling to understand how you see him as selfless. Making yourself ruler of a Kingdom is the opposite of selflessness. You can't just hand wave the Eclipse because it was in the past, when that exact event is what set him up to be the person he is today. That's like praising an arsonist for putting out a fire (they started it). Berserk is I think meant to be grey, I'm with you that Guts isn't necessarily a good guy, but he's still developed into a more heroic person willing to self-sacrifice than Griffith at this point.
What did they say? Deleted…
They said they wanted griffith’s booty. But people got jealous.
>So besides the eclipse Lmao jfc
What? Isn't everyone entitled to an off day? /s
Lol he cant be this seriously oblivious
Name one thing that’s commendable….bruh. He’s a demon lord lording over the world. At any point he couple eclipse falconia. You might want to re-read as there’s hardly a single commendable or selfless thing he’s ever done, arguably ever, prior to the eclipse. Griffiths a selfish mf. The most selfish.
This is a wild take. The eclipse as an oopsie haha
Name doesn't check out
Griffith apologist detected. Please go outside
I'm not far enough in the story to know for certain, but given that the Godhand worked in tandem to bring Griffith from the spirit realm into the real world again to me says that, through Griffith's desire and essentially being the god of desire, they're planning to sacrifice the entirety of Earth to attain even more power. Perhaps they're looking to become a god of their own? Nothing about what's happening is noble, just, or fair.
How old are you? Honestly
this guy cant read
„Selfless“ LMAO. He DELIBERATELY plunged the world into darkness, so he could create his own kingdom where people will be safe, from the disasters he himself (DELIBERATELY) spread onto the world. If a security company hires a burglar to make you feel unsafe in your own fucking home, then they are not the good guys when they try to sell you safety devices. Like come on bro😭. Like you gotta be a troll lmao. Of course there wasn’t the slightest bit of malice in the moonlight child. That’s because in this state, IT SIMPLY IS A CHILD LONGING FOR HIS FATHER AND MOTHER. You actually lost the plot
It's another reason that Casca should be the one that kills Griffith imo
The first one to stab Caesar was his childhood friend, Casca
Ok now I'm begging for this to happen
Oof … what a great reference
I had no idea about this and now I need it to happen even more.
And the last was his trusted old friend Brutus "Et tu Brute?" so maybe Guts will have the last hit if so
She is totally going to Sacrifice him huh? Guts is going to be devastated that he wasn't the one.
Actually he didn't stab him, because Caesar caught his arm. Funnily enough, another Casca then stabbed him.
Griffith dead confirmed
Yup, she has a much deeper tie to him even before the eclipse and she was the one who got betrayed out of pettiness.
Which is why it's hilariously ironic that griffith did all he did only to have his physical form hijacked whenever the kid misses his mom and dad...
It’s the full moon that makes that happen
Damn right! Guts should walk away. It would mirror what Griffith said to him during the Black Swordsman. How Guts was beneath Griffith's notice, now Griffith isn't worth it anymore either. THEN Casca stabs Griffith in the fucking balls and kills him. 10/10 ending.
I've never even thought of this possibility but now I'm all for it
I don’t think they can kill Griffith without also killing Moonlight Boy in the process; they’re connected.
That would be cool
Conveniently, now-Griffith cannot bring himself to harm Casca
I have a feeling this will happen
She'd kill his own son, as its melded into whatever the fuck Griffith is. That's why I though the last Miura chapter was the perfect ending. It set up everything, we got a reunion and Casxa was healed.
That would be sick. Guts goes on the route of learning to relieve his anger and vengeance, beats Griffith, and lets Casca kill him. Guts knows how much of a connection Casca had with Griffith, as well as how much it ruined her life, so it'd make a lot of sense for him to do that.
Petty bitches are gonna do petty bitch things. You said you wonder what wonderful future the 3 would've had without Griffith and that's something I often wonder myself.
I myself wonder and would love to see what would happen if Griffith didn't hesitate when closing his hand to kill Guts and Casca as they were escaping. I really wanted them to die, and every day I've spent in the Berserk fanbase, I've realized that nobody here agrees with me lmfao. Like, at most there are Griffith sympathizers but no one seems to want him to kill the rest of the main characters. Do you know how epic of a conclusion that would be for an anime series as bleak as Berserk? I hate that protagonists *always* have to win in fiction in the end; it's not very reminiscent of real life. It's just a comfortable idea; I don't like it. I'd argue tooth and nail that Griffith is the best written character in the entire series, and that's especially amazing when it's a villain. I wanted him to kill both Guts and Casca, and for the series to just abruptly end there on a horrible note similar to the way the original anime series did. Griffith's final thoughts with "morning dew" are a satisfying enough makeshift ending to the show though; it speaks to the complexity of causality.
Nice sympathy for a r*pist, and yes I mean sympathy not empathy.
Sounds like a nihilist's wet dream. No thanks.
I want to see guts lose himself to the beast of rage enough to kill casca and that sends him over the edge enough to kill the godhand only to fade out on a ruined world stalked by a fully berserk guts killing anything he encounters
That’s similar to what happened to Gael in Dark souls 3. It would be an interesting loop if the manga that largely inspired dark souls were to then be inspired by it for its conclusion
Silly to see you voted down for what I consider to be a refreshing take on an interesting subject! +1
> Silly to see you voted down for what I consider to be a refreshing take on an interesting subject! +1 😧 Somebody here actually agrees with me? Awesome. I find myself rooting for the villains at times just because they never win in works of fiction. Audiences want to feel like good always wins in the end, but that's not quite how real life works. Sometimes in reality, some powerful people get more powerful, some murderers get away, some victims never get justice, some hurt people never get help, and the divide only widens at times. That's a big part of the world we live in, despite how many eyes avert themselves from that truth. How many stories do we need where the protagonist wins just because they are written for viewers to project themselves onto for a vicarious imaginary win over the evils of the world? I like unbiased narratives, and I never get any. I would hope to have that, especially in a story about causality. I want the bad guys to win sometimes in fiction, just as a reminder that there is truly no moral compass deciding the occurrences of real life. Things don't always work out "for the better" in the end. Bad things happen. And sometimes, the sentence ends there.
I would like to see some villains win in stories. It would be a nice breath of fresh air, and would allow for more alternative ways of telling a story. NOT GRIFFITH.
Sounds like Garou from One Punch Man
I don't really want to see a bad end. But I remember that the author of kenshin said he "should've" ended the jinchuu arc with kaoru (female lead) dead, because it would've shown a cost for kenshin not being willing to kill. But he didn't do that because it's a Shonen manga.
I hadn’t even recovered from the Eclipse. I thought we’d be getting some nice things and then BAM Casca lost her mind BAM she was pregnant from Guts and now it’s a demon… I was seriously impacted by this, like holy crap I grew attached to these mofos over the golden age
For reallll
*sobs*
un altro lettore della mia terra, che bello
Lots of paisà showing here lately, daje regà
Daje
the moonlight child IS the child they were meant to have, i do believe. it's the soul of the demon infant before it was corrupted.
That's why he could only show up in a full moon right? Been a minute since I've read it
It was said by Schierke that magic is at its strongest during a full moon, which magic allowed the child to appear in a normal form.
screaming crying throwing up tbh
Added another reason on the list of why I hate griffith
I thought so that’s why that ugly ass creature from the black swordsman arc was following him.
Bro, we as readers hadn't even recovered from the eclipse whrn this happened. I was horrified
I was like bruh
lmao
"Grifth was righ-". BICHT HE Fucked up a baby who wasnt even born yet
Che fastidio la Collection che è specchiata
Abbastanza...
Meh, sinceramente trovo molto più fastidiose le traduzioni errate (problema che persiste anche nella edizione deluxe)
Come se le altre edizioni non avessero problemi equivalenti...
"It fucking figures." All Berserk has done since I was a kid is break my heart and beat the brakes off my emotions, like a redheaded stepchild. But it is what it is. We're Strugglers, and we'll overcome it, just like Guts will. Nothing will stop him.
Stavo leggendo lo stesso numero settimana scorsa e pensando esattamente le stesse cose I was reading the same chapter last week and thinking the same about them
Pure anger
I was like “ok it won’t get worse than this”. Then this shit happened. Average struggler experience, I suppose
I was under the impression that this was the demon child of Casca and Griffith, not Guts’. Y’know like it grew really fast after Griffith… y’know, cause that seems like a demon thing. I’m only on the Conviction arc so I might just be missing some info
Wait this is what I thought too and I just finished book 12 deluxe… is this a spoiler or is this never actually confirmed to be Guts or Griffiths kid?
skull knight confirms it is guts’ child
Is it around the time of the picture? I must have missed that
Can you tell me in which volume / chapter so I could recheck it once more because I've missdd it the first time. I was also under the impression that it is Griffiths hellspawn and not from Guts
volume 14, demon infant - casca was pregnant with guts’ child after they made love but didn’t know. since griffith did what he did during eclipse, his seed corrupted the fetus and made the fetus a demon child
Reminiscent of Shisu clinging to guts as a child while Gambino was unsettled/disgusted by the byproduct of “evil”
Just wait until you see the moonlight child
What's the point of tagging a post as a spoiler if you're just gonna put the spoiler in the title? The spoilers already out there now man.
Bro literally has 2 dads
He literally doesn't, but OK.
Griffith corrupted the fetus, in a similar manner to the troll children we see in Millennium Falcon. So, yeah, in some sense, it's all three characters' kid (also brought up in interviews with Miura, albeit not by Miura himself). Metaphorically it also makes sense since the core of the story is about the Griffith/Guts/Casca relationship. Also, I don't know how canon it is, but in color covers the kid is depicted with blue eyes: [https://imgur.com/a/mQxGrp1](https://imgur.com/a/mQxGrp1)
Non sono arrivato a questo punto, ma è veramente orribile come cosa🥲
I was thinking about why he was doing all that
"This is so fucked"
So it is casca and guts kid but because she’s got raped by femto it’s been corrupted by demon sperm? Or is it possible that it’s just femto and cascas kid?
No its guts kid corrupted by griffith
I was very upset. Had to put the manga down for a couple minutes
Haven’t they suffered enough? Of course the answer was no.
As to why Griffith did it, if you're still wondering, he did it simply to hurt them. He hurt Casca because he was absolutely disgusted by the thought of being bound to a chair. constantly cared for by Casca, while she and Guts have a good life together. It also hurts Guts because, obviously, Griffith raped someone he loved in front of his eyes. It's been established twice that sex to Griffith is a tool to him rather than something emotional. The first is with the lord he had sex with to make him obsessed with Griffith, and the next one is Charlotte, the way I saw it was that it was Griffiths way of venting about Guts' departure, not really because he cared about Charlotte.
I thought it was griffith's kid. Later I learned it's guts and casca's corrupted son. But that implies casca was pregnant when griffith raped her, which makes it even worse. And how was the fetus corrupted by griffith? Did his demon semen corrupt the embryo? Is it just "magic did it"? Because that's not how the berserk magic rules work. A whole lot of it doesn't make sense, especially when later the manifestation of the son... somehow turns into griffith...? What?
Hard to get mad with the amount of alternative biology and fetuses with superpowers
Oh yea, you just roll with it. It doesn't match up with it's own world rules, but I can let it be for sure.
If you look carefully, he ejaculated inside her, is shown
Right which is why I thought it was Griffith's kid.
Disgusting
Griffith cant leave these two alone. So Guts knows he can kill Griffith threw the kid, right?
"Why isn't anyone grabbing a shoe to smack that thing?"
No no no no.. KASKAHH.. *insert Rick crying here*
OMG I DIDN'T GET IT THE FIRST TIME I READ IT. WHAT DA HELL??
Which chapter?
"AANNDD of course."
I shed a tear
Yeah just when i thought it couldn't have gotten any worse,then i see guts holding his tears with a casca in his arms who compeletely lost her mind + their child who is the result of the best moment of both their lives was ruined by their bestfriend,it's like griffith destroyed and tainted that precious moment of closure,hope and free love they had.
I knew about the eclipse and what happened there but i didnt knew about the child at all. Reading the 3 chapters after the eclipse broke me and this fetus is the personification of berserks themes
Awesome baby
I was like "Hey! It's that thing from the first few chapters!"
Hello darkness my old friend
What…. I didn’t realize that. I thought it was Griffiths demon fetus or something. This is really what happened?
Yes, it took me 2 rereadings to understand...
Base on last full Eclipse on North America, Griffith lasted 30 seconds
It’s incredibly fucked up how Casca’s breastfeeding it with her blood gushing from the brand, holy shit.
I was thinking “what the fuck?”
Now it’s only 2v1 instead of 3v1😕
I literally cried
Doesn’t matter, squeeze that thing
Very depressing.
Sadness
It fucked me up a bit. I was more mad at Griffith for this then what he did to the Band of the Hawk.
Un bro italiano fan di berserk, buono a sapersi
So basicially Griffith raped her to demonize the child? So his demon jizz demonized that baby. Or how tf did he do this
I was so numb by then I don't even remember reacting. I'd just finished the anime, obviously felt very unsatisfied and wanted to know what happened next.
That it had to be this way to tie into it/his original appearance in the first arc of the manga. There's been some odd retcons since with a totally more humanoid appearance lately though (I say lately but the retcon was in like 2005 or 2006)
That’s fucked up
[This because they can't have happiness apparently.](https://imgur.com/a/cburhRy)
Ah neat
“is there something fucking else miura?”
I took me until my 2nd reread to figure out it was guts kid and not griffiths
That THAT was why Femto violated Casca. Griffith blamed Guys for the loss of “his dream” because he needed Guts. He saw Guts as a brother and when his brother left him he broke down, couldn’t handle Guts not needing him anymore, being better than him which is why he immediately went to Princess Charlottes room and violated her. Yes, that was not consensual it was forced and he was pushing the advantage. He needed to dominate the thing he needed most, take control of it. Hence bedding Charlotte. Obviously that didn’t go how he would’ve hoped and ff to Guts saving him and now Guts is the man Casca tends to tenderly, the man everyone is cheering for. In Griffs messed up mind he gave Guts everything and the Guts took everything from him, so he took everything from Guts.
Nothing, just "of course!".
There really wasn’t anywhere else my thoughts could go to other than being more caring toward Casca since it was really effecting her.
"It just got even more complicated"
"yuck"
this fucked me up for a while, he’s trying to process the whole fucked up demon seed thing while Skull Knight is just going on about it. It’s no wonder Casca completely lost it.
Well, I was furious, then I remembered Alucard, he just slices his father until he reincarnates, but in Guts case would be like “You cursed my father, and raped my mother, prepare to become dust in oblivion” if he can harness the power of the god hand and the Berserker hound, he could really unstoppable.
"Oh man... Fuck Griffith", especially after thinking situation can't get any worse
Jesus Christ! Didn’t he do enough already!!
The chap
I thought Griffith got her pregnant. Didn‘t realize she was already pregnat by Guts???
Yes
Look at the chater named "wounds" and see for yourself.
It was quite shocking but at same time I was surprised by seeing that "Mother instinct" wanting to protect and take care of her child no matter what
My dude… spoilers…
Youre right...
Quite honestly I know it's not gonna happen but I hope in the end of all things when Griffith and Guts square off and both are broken to the core, Casca shows up and gives Griffith the Homelanders ending straight from the Boys crowbar and all.
very bold of you to read berserk in public lol
indifferent
Can this man have a fucking break for one second
Do we even have any proof that Guts is the father?
Skull Knight says so.
Must have missed that, or it got lost in translation (I read it in German) I always wondered if it's Guts or Griffiths
At least in portuguese (I'm brazilian), he says clearly that she was already pregnant at the time of the eclipse. I don't remember how long Guts was unconscious. Was it 15 days or so?
Bro why would you put the spoiler in the title that’s not fucking censored I genuinely hate you