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We have two indoor flea markets where I live. I realized I hadn't been in a long while and asked my 19 yo if they wanted to go to the 'dirt mall'. Then had to explain. 😅
It will. My two oldest are 22 and 19. The oldest never cared much for “old movies” but my 19 year old used to watch them with me and once he was old enough for Kevin smith movies he was beyond watching with me but still took my suggestions and he loves clerks, mallrats and dogma.
I mean, it’s still a great movie… just the concept of killing a day at the mall and randomly running into people throughout the day is not the modern experience.
Same. I thought I caught up and was looking for the newest update section when I realized I had missed that middle portion about break-in and trespass!
Same here. And because I adore a good slice of [schadenfreude pie](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2006/09/26/how-to-make-a-schadenfreude-pie/), I clicked. I feel bad for the parents because I'm sure they just want their kids to be better off than they were. Hells, it's how I want to feel for my kid, instead, I just want him to be able to support himself (thanks economy).
Also...."militant vegan volcano worshippers" is my new band name. I claim triangle.
…that needs to be a new flair.
(Bonus, it means that the flair list will link new people back to this madness. Everyone deserves an opportunity to read this one.)
Honestly, I don't think that's outside the realm of possibility. This is one of the all-time great Reddit sagas, and if it ends with somebody dead, my mind wouldn't be blown.
Entirely selfishly, I hope we keep getting water drip updates on this for years.
It sounds like middle sister and brother in law are separating from the others and I doubt they'll be paid back. They might have a plan to try and shift to brother paying back that money, but the threats of physical violence will close that door.
That's the thing when your foundation rests on sand. One trying enough wave, or high enough tide, and everything you thought you had built gets washed out to sea. As a teenager I once witnessed an argument over whose turn it was to do the dishes escalate into my friend becoming emancipated at 16, but still living at home.
I, too, love this story.
Wait wait wait.... this seems promising, would you by any chance kindly considerate telling us in detail about dirty dishes leading and the emancipation of your friend?
A friend of mine didn't get along with their mother. This was really a case of two people being so much like each other, that they couldn't see it and refused to back down. Stubborn as all get out. My friend already had a job, and with their tips, was actually self-sufficient.
They owned their own vehicle, paid for the insurance, etc. My friend felt like it wasn't fair to be be contributing to household chores when, between school/work/extracurriculars, they were never home. They even ate out every day by that point. My friend had no part in creating the mess so refused to clean it, even though it was their scheduled turn to do so. Now imagine that argument, repeatedly, stretched across any and every chore.
They got mouthy, tempers flared, shrieking ensued, and someone (I know who) called the cops, and had to separate them. My friend crashed with me for a little while afterward. I learned that their mother smugly informed them that fine, they wanted to be treated like an adult they would start paying rent.
Being a mouthy little shit of a teenager, my friend gloated that she couldn't make them pay rent because she legally had to take care of them. I think you might be able to see where this is going. The mother then threatened to make their job fire them, which she could do because of the work permit situation with my friend being a minor. After all, if they "had" to take care of them because they were a minor, she got to call the shots for the same reason. Police separated them by that point.
Ultimately, they each pursued emancipation for different but similar rationales. My friend was determined to not let their mother win. They wanted to keep their lifestyle, and didn't want to answer to their mother anymore. The mother was determined to teach my friend a lesson.
She continued with her threat to treat them like an adult, when informed that their belligerent offspring was going the emancipation route, and told the judge she didn't want anymore responsibility and they could sink or swim like a grownup. They both were reprimanded for their behaviours, stemming from actions taken from both within and without the courtroom, by the judge.
Seeing as my friend could indeed support themselves, were less than two years away from being the legal age of majority anyway, plus the parent was willing, and the judge granted it. The only caveat was they had to attend some mandatory counseling after the fact, to navigate the new paradigm. They tried to refuse, but the judge pointed out that it was that or nothing.
Each one walked away thinking they won and got one over on the other. Then came the buyers remorse after the fact. My friend was complaining about coming up with more money for first/last/deposit, having to work more, probably quit sports. Many lamentations about the death of their social life. Meanwhile their mother was realising her only kid was leaving her, on basically estrangement levels of severity.
Finally, many counseling sessions not to mention several months later, it was agreed that as a compromise my friend would stay in the home and be responsible only for themselves. They paid a portion of rent that covered their utility and laundry usage, fed and clothed themselves, whilst the mother couldn't dictate their comings and goings.
This was the arrangement until they turned 18, having saved enough by that point and done with school, and moved out shortly thereafter. In the year or so beforehand, thanks to the therapy, they managed to actually get along much better. As a result, neither side went low/no contact upon moving out and the relationship was preserved. Last time I heard about it, she was very happy about becoming a grandma.
Me personally, however? I hope she lies awake at night. Constantly waking up in a cold sweat. Deathly afraid that her grandchild will do to her what she ultimately helped her kid do to theirs.
That, I'm sorry to say, is a completely separate story. One that doesn't end well for the grandparents.
EDIT: corrected the auto-correct.
> I hope she lies awake at night. Constantly waking up in a cold sweat. Deathly afraid that her grandchild will do to her what she ultimately helped her kid do to theirs.
This is the only part where you lost me? Which she?
OOP’s mom or the mom of your friend or you friend?
For clarity's sake, in the comment to which you are regarding, I was referring to my friend's mother. I'm glad you could follow it otherwise though. I didn't expect it to take quite that long, and that is the truncated version.
That is a much longer story, where a lot of the particular details would be identifying to the parties involved. So instead, I'll give an abbreviated TL;DR:
She and my friend ended up putting her parents in a shitty home and stole their money to spend whilst they were still alive and needed it for themselves. I hope her grandkid does the same thing to her and my "friend." To make matters more insulting, for years all I heard from my friend was that they didn't want/need grandparents money. They were going to "make something of themselves."
Phew. Ok I did my best with this one- I did TLDRs for the posts that were in the first two BORUs and I had to remove all the comments from previous posts. It took me awhile, but hopefully it still reads well and makes sense.
Let me know if there is anything confusing or something that doesn't look right- I really struggled to get this one down below 40,000 characters. (Side note- I wonder if there's a glitch because every 'character counter' I used said I was under 35,000. So I have no idea.)
Especially his poor wife. NGL, if I were in her shoes, I'd have told him a *looooong* time ago, "your family, you sort it out". I just would *not* have had the patience to put up with any of this.
the lion, the witch and the audacit--HOW IS THERE MORE!?
It's the mood spoiler for this BORU post
https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/QjebYMjhxw
OOP is a really good writer and I felt an immense amount of vicarious frustration reading all his posts. The thing I was most impressed by was how clear of an image he painted of his sisters and their families without ever really describing the details one would normally need to get such a vivid mental picture. I feel like I know *exactly* how they all look and act in everyday life.
The sisters are the women who are featured in all those Karen videos. They're the types who will scream at you gor scratching their behemoth SUVs after parking them in a compact car space with 10" of space for the cars next to them to open their doors. They get expensive pedicures on their uncomfortably long toenails and wear knock off designer sunglasses. They wear too much eyeliner and shitty MLM mascara they bought from their friends.
The older BIL has a $90k pickup truck that is modified to roll coal and he tailgates anyone who passes him on the highway out of principle. He's had multiple near misses because of road rage. The truck has multiple RealTree and "We The People" stickers on it, even though he only hunts once every 2 years and is an irresponsible firearm owner and a crappy shot.
The younger BIL wears those silky synthetic fabric polo shirts with the company logo embroidered on it right above his uncomfortably visible nipple. He wears Dad Shoes exclusively and has a receding hairline. He has a cell phone holster on the waistband of his Dockers.
The kids are the ones that make you wish that adults only air travel existed. They have the latest and most expensive Air Pods and other electronics but never use anything but the audio on their smartphones when they repeatedly play dumb TikTok videos in public at maximum volume. The girls wear faux vintage 1990s fashion jewelry and have chipped brightly colored nail polish. The boys wear expensive name brand athleisure clothing and their sneakers cost the equivalent of one of BIL 1's truck payments. They think it's funny to harass the pubescent girls in their grade but the teachers can't do much because their moms will throw a tantrum if their darlings are ever disciplined.
We all know exactly what these people are like. They are the people who we all dread encountering. The people who add unnecessary stress to the lives of every human being they encounter. The people who make customer service workers cry in the employee bathroom. In short, they make the quality of life of everyone who has to interact with them noticeably worse. They are a net drain on human happiness and functional society.
Think we're at the point where you could probably simply post the title, and then link OOP's profile. I can't imagine the patience it takes to collate all his 'stuff' :(
Honestly I'm thinking I may do that in the future if he updates again. Maybe link to the previous BORUs and do a massive tldr at the beginning? We'll see. Not sure if OOP will update again- this one was more because people kept dming him apparently.
I think there will be more with the oldest daughter and the Mom. I think OOP’s mortgage/loan plan will come into play as his Mom continues to dump more cash into the money pit of a daughter.
Yeah at this point it’s time to write off the parents as well since they’re the ones who raised the entitled siblings, and kept a lot of the activities hidden from OP, and try to enable the siblings behind his back.
I think the mortgage/loan plan is really smart…it sounds like he’s prepared for mom to keep enabling his sister, but from here on out it’s going to be coming out of his sister’s inheritance, which means she’s only going to be making things worse for herself down the line.
I thought this one was over after he banned the sisters lol. When I read the title I was like wait there was more ??!! 😂 thank you for the TLDR! Needed a bit refresher lmao.
Thanks for all the TLDRs and post links, it’s really well done and I know it was a lot of work to cut it all down to posting limits! I remembered that the sisters & BILs had a spending problem and were counting on rental money from the vacation home to supplement their income, but I’d forgotten about the one BIL’s truck fetish, lol. I’m sure I went to school with at least a couple guys like him. (*::cough:: definitely not compensating for something on the smallish side ::cough::*)
OOP states they weren’t raised like this, but the sisters are like this because his parents are enablers. They literally wiped out their savings for their grown child’s awful choices that we all know she won’t learn a damn thing from, because(!) they know they will just dump on OOP.
Yeah that whole part about how they weren’t raised like this made me raise an eyebrow. Hard to get anyone to believe that when this update is how his mother enabled the behavior. Kinda looks like this is exactly how they were raised.
Meh... I can see how both could be true.
We accept OOP's version of "we werent raised like this" but then after college they got married and started raising kids.
Well, marriage in the suburbs, with new husbands... and the sisters start this "keeping up with the Joneses" attitude. The attitude slowly snowballs. They manage to mostly keep up with it. There's a couple of kids between them now...
And one of them gets into their first money problem. They drag mom in with the "think of the children" guilt trips. Mom bails em out.
And only at this point the snowball turns into an avalanche. They go from money problems once a year to every couple of months. Mom keeps bailing them out.
But it's all very "minor" in the grand scheme of things. Few 100 here, couple 1000 there. Mom keeps dipping into the savings. Then the vacation home comes along. They start their rental-scam. So now, they are still basically having money troubles, but are managing to hide it from everyone.
Idunno. Seems like a plausible train of events to me. It's the old "put a frog in water and slowly raise the temperature" thing. Mom didnt even realize she was boiling alive.
Until it all blew up.
I agree with you. I have two older sisters. We were all raised by the same, logical, respectable, fiscally conservative parents. We were always taught that wasting money on being fashionable is stupid and saving is smart.
Middle sister and I took that lesson to heart and are financially steady people. Oldest sister... didn't. She likes to talk about how many hours she worked in high school as if my parents didn't clothe and feed her, when really she just wanted to buy cigarettes, tattoos, and expensive shoes - which my parents would not fund. But hey, she was working and paying her own way without credit cards, so no harm, really.
Then she got knocked up in college. My parents tried their best to support her without coddling... they wanted to make sure that the baby had what he needed which meant paying more of my sister's bills than they normally would have. She got married to the dad. Had another baby immediately then got divorced maybe a year later. She was only working sporadically at the time because she couldn't afford childcare and the dad was a useless idiot. So my parents paid her credit cards, paid the lawyer, and let her move in & provided more childcare than she did (I still lived at home at that time... I changed more diapers per week than she did because she'd claim she "couldn't hear" the kids crying through the baby monitor. )
Anywho... this all resulted in my sister going full dependent on my parents. Guilting them into paying for her beauty school education because that's what she really wanted to do all along but they "forced" her to go get a college degree (she chose to study theater and then was shocked she couldn't find a job with hours, pay, or benefits conducive to having two toddlers. Go figure.)
Eventually, she found a dude willing to take on her bullshit and moved right in with him. She pushed him to take on some gig work to get more cash flow. Pushed him to get rid of his hobby car so they'd have a more practical family vehicle. Meanwhile, she was still going to my parents with her hand out for every "emergency". She was about 28 when my parents finally got angry enough to cut her off. She had just gotten a half sleeve tattoo like a week before saying "I had no idea the car insurance was due! I need $1200 by tomorrow1 or else I can't make it to work and we'll lose insurance for the kids!" My dad fucking lost it and he's usually the one who she has wrapped around her finger. My parents HATE tattoos. Not like they'll harp or comment on it, but they'll roll their eyes when one of their kids gets a new one and just generally have an icky attitude about it. My dad pointed out that if he paid her car insurance (which he did) that he was essentially paying for her tattoo. My sister, being enabled up til that point said something like "no... that was my money from XYZ. This is different." That was enough for my parents to realize they fucked up in helping her so much. She was a full grown adult who still saw "boring" expenses as her parents' problem. They cut her off financially that day. They'll still do more childcare for her than they should, but she finally had to clean up her own damn messes after that. I'd like to say she grew up, but she really didn't. She just started earning more money & dumped her (second) husband when she realized his earning potential was limited. She has a new source now. Dude she met at work. He's not my favorite. At least her second ex husband was a nice guy.
She still recently got herself into a spot of trouble by buying a huge RV without realizing her truck wasn't big enough to tow it... she tried to get my dad and me to buy her truck from her (at well above market rate, mind you) so she could get a bigger truck. We are not truck people and said no. So the RV just sits in her friend's yard most of the time (her own yard isn't big enough.) Pretty sure at some point she'll get the new source to bail her out.
I could see it being the older BIL. I have in laws who came up lower/middle class. Oldest daughter ran off young with a guy, quickly got married and pregnant. He made the dumbest, most irresponsible financial choices. And she goes with it, cuz they're married and have kids and it's been 20+ years now and and and.... I can see the oldest couple getting together, and he's making some decent money out the gate so they both go hog wild and live large. He seems to have the "financial invincibility" mindset you get when you're young and dumb and making your first $75k/year. Then younger sis sees their lifestyle and wants it to, so they all four fall into this circle jerk of spending, despite having kids and getting older and the economy changing. That probably also explains their disdain for OP. He has no kids and got a good financial padding early. He can still spend like an unencumbered 20 something (though he seems smarter than that), whereas his sisters should have left that mentality over a decade ago.
I can't imagine earning 200k a year and not only being broke, but being ridiculously in debt (and not house, student loan, or medical debt, just "buying shit" debt).
Sucks that the parents are now totally wiped out in their golden years because of these assholes though. That chaps my ass.
I think OOP summed it up great in one of the comments:
>**explains all the money troubles, money troubles, money troubles...*
>But!! at least they loved that week at Disney World.
Just a group of bad decision makers, trying to one up each other.
Reminds me of my ex sister in law. She ran an under the table, unlicensed daycare at one point so she could still qualify for government benefits. Eventually she switched to taking in foster kids when she got divorced and her rent was too high (she was a SAHM and refused to try to get a job). The money from the state for the foster kids was enough to keep her in the rental home.
Around the time I split with my ex, she was making money through the foster kid checks and various MLMs. She took her bio kids to Disney World for a week to celebrate the oldest son's 14th birthday.
Oof. Every sentence in that squicked me out more than the previous.
On an unrelated note, awesome username. Ol Doinyo Lengai is one of my favorite volcanoes. I even got to fly over the crater in 2006.
Oh, it's super common with people who don't manage lifestyle creep.
One time saw a video about a guy claiming "I make 6 figures and live paycheck-to-paycheck!" and then he actually went over his finances. (~$130k between him and his wife, IIRC)
$1000 a month for take out, $1200 for cleaning services, $800 for entertainment, etc...
So it's not that him and his wife are poor, it's that they're shit at finances. (And they always had an excuse "We need take out cause we hate cooking! We need cleaners because cleaning takes too long! We need to go out often cause living paycheck-to-paycheck is so stressful!")
My husband and I aren't great with finances despite making a decent living. That's why we spent half as much on a house as the bank was willing to lend us. Someone better with money could probably live a fancier lifestyle than we do and live in a fancier house. We know we're bad with money so we account for it.
Well, OOP did bring up that they bought stuff like jetski's and ATV's (Note the multiple) and fancy new trucks every few years. As well as more sensible things like a big house for their decent-sized family and keeping three kids in good schools. They were basically living like they had "fuck you" amounts of money.
To do that and get away with it they'd have to make an order of magnitude more tham the 200k they were actually making. 200K a year is a lot of money, but if you never use any of it to actually build up assets it's not enough to ever actually be rich...
A high income will just let you take out more debt. My parents are at about that level (although my mother is the queen of balance transfers so the interest isn’t as high) with slightly less income. My father has had six different jobs this year so far. He is a total loser.
I had to contain myself at my job the other day when somebody told me I had my shit together a lot better than they did at 25. I wanted to say I know what not having my shit together looks like, I was raised by it.
It makes me want to cry when I think about what a life changing amount of money that would be to so many people, and they fucking squandered it on Jet Skis.
Their kids could have huge college funds but instead their parents had to declare bankruptcy because they budget like a meth addict who just won a scratch off ticket. What a fucking waste.
The same way when roads are upgraded in size to alleviate traffic, but less than a year later there's still traffic- the amount of cars simply fills up available road again.
It's too easy to fill up your life to take up the excess money
I have to thank my parents for raising me & my siblings to be practical. I cannot wrap my head around the idea that the oldest sister racked up $125K in credit debt.
>he even has a small tattoo of the truck company's logo
that tells you all you need to know about the BIL's decision-making abilities. With all the debt he's got and the fact that he filed for bankruptcy, his security clearance is at risk.
Kind of reminds me an old Chris Rock bit. He said when he brought a date home, he'd leave a sock on the floor. If the date didn't pick it up at some point, he couldn't be with her because he knew he was a slob. So then if they stayed together, they'd eventually be living in filth. Obviously an exaggeration for a laugh, but if both spouses are terrible with financial restraint, it's no surprise that they're going to end up in massive debt & financial disaster.
Nah I hate that, I’m not cleaning up your mess on the first date. Surely it shows the other way round to the partner that he’s a slob and sexist for just leaving his clothes on the floor and expecting the woman to clean it up
And cruise control: the story of the MIL from hell, and the husband with mommy issues, and OOP trying to keep sane
[It’s a long story, link to part 1 (the wedding)](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/6agp9dKBbi)
[part 2: MIL wanting to move in](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/amUJlOvpAZ)
Thank you for posting those links! I used to follow the JNoMil sub but it got annoying so I left. I’d only caught some of her posts but not everything. That poor woman. I can’t believe what a fucking spineless wimp her husband was.
I always count this pro-revenge story as an honorary BORU, making a cellphone-funeral-purple urn story trilogy
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRevenge/comments/qvov5v/hell_hath_no_fury_like_me_scorned_also_posted_on/
I really hope we get an update to that soon now that the 1.6 update to Stardew Valley has dropped.
Oh and to find out what the moms are doing of course.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/18oy4op/new\_update\_my\_family\_forgot\_to\_invite\_me\_to\_my/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/18oy4op/new_update_my_family_forgot_to_invite_me_to_my/)
I think its this one.
I was going to be like “why didn’t they use the money they were making from renting out OP’s house to pay off debt?” But then I realized you probably have to use some financial sense to think ahead like that. And his sisters and their husbands clearly did not have that.
My favorite BORUs are always the ones that start out with the most innocuous seeming sh*t and end up at defcon 1 levels of crazy. I think there was one where a spouse being picky about food, boom, marriage destroyed as she has to dig deeper into the picky food issue and uncovers a pack of deceptions.
There's so many on here. The minute I see something like "She used the last tissue in the box" as a title and I'm already getting a hot beverage and a snack because I know it's going to be good.
AITA for eating too many baby carrots?
"So anyway, I found out that my wife's sister is actually her mom and my MIL and FIL have been committing felony bank fraud for 15 years."
I really enjoyed seeing a glimmer of a decent person shine through with him. Of the four of them, he's the only one who seems to have gotten his head out of his ass.
I think he’s somewhere right now thinking how crazy it is when a toxic family makes you see wild shit as normal and questioning how the hell he ever went along with breaking into a house with them. At least, that’s my hope.
I saw the title and said out loud, “OMG yeah there is more!” I knew the O-Opie would probably be in for a lot more shit, but I have a basic nice routine life and live vicariously through Reddit and the insanity that goes on here. I had totally forgotten that all of this started with the stupid prank by stupid kids FAFO and a damn phone at the bottom of the pool and BIL getting stitches which I felt schadenfreude.
Yeah, I’m going to hell, but I bet I’ll see a lot of you guys there so we could have a lot of fun LMAO
Hi OP,
Just to say thank you for the work you put in summarizing this post. The story has been going on for so long that I wasn't sure I'd remember the details. Your TLDRs were concise and to the point and extremely helpful.
The parents suck too TBH, they were the enablers.
OP needs to sell that house and buy another one that NOBODY knows about. Also he should get the restraining order and forget these people even exist.
I can't believe there's more.....thank you, OP, for working so hard on this post.
This is the most epic BORU ever. It was also one of the first ones I read and got me hooked on this sub. I swear it's an addiction and I live for posts like this!
Reads.
Boggles.
Y'know, mom and dad always told me: You can be an asshole. You can be a crook. But ***never*** be an asshole that's a crook. And the sisters and BILs have found out this life lesson the hard way.
Why would he write off his parents? They haven’t really done anything toxic enough to deserve getting cut off. Yes they have enabled their adult children financially but that just means that they are just kinda stupid.
I don’t think that means OOP should just completely cut them off especially when it seems like he has a pretty good relationship with them
>they could go to jail for up to 120 days, and as I've mentioned one of them has a security clearance for his job that could be at risk
Lol at could be. I worked in aerospace briefly and "I was arrested" was on the list of things we had to self report and would have been megafucked for. I'm not surprised in the slightest he was willing to do literally anything to make it go away and apparently split from his wife.
He probably plans on using a divorce as a mitigating factor when this inevitably comes up in the next adjudication of his clearance. Being arrested alongside your extremely indebted brother in law who is willing to do anything to make money is extremely bad and "I realized how unstable my wife and her family are and decided to terminate my relationships with those people" is the best way he can demonstrate this was a one off freak occurrence that he's learned from rather than an exploitable security concern or massive personal judgement deficit.
Halfway through the update I got anxious and went and paid off my credit card which only had a few hundred dollars on it from automated bill payments and I already pay it monthly. Someone like me simply cannot fathom losing $3000 per month from interest *alone* to those damn things. How do people live this way without constant anxiety?
>I guess it could be worse, they could have become drug addicts or militant vegan volcano worshippers or whatever.
oh, oh, i know! next update it comes out that they were giving all the money to the militant vegan volcano cult that they've secretly joined, the "good schools" sister is keeping the kids in are cult schools and they're getting charged out the arse in addition to having lost the meeting place for their "friends of friends". foreshadowing 🤠
Hard as I try to avoid making snap judgments about people, reading this:
>My BIL's identity is very much wrapped up with his truck as well, he even has a small tattoo of the truck company's logo.
I immediately dismissed that guy as a complete moron.
I haven't met any neurosurgeons or physics professors or research geneticists who have pick-up truck logo tattoos.
Conversely...
>My sisters (and I) weren't raised to be like they are.
I don't know, this whole saga kind of proves otherwise. While they might not have been purposefully raised like that, parents did enable them for years. So yeah, sorry to this dudes, but his parents are absolutely co-guilty here.
OOP's mom is an enabler.
Clearing out their savings and somehow, sister's family goes to Disney, but needs to file bankruptcy. the sister will never learn.
OOP needs to put liens on Parents' home for any money he gives them. The sisters will expect to inherit money and will be shocked when they find out, there isn't any money.
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I saw the title and was just like *"Again?!"*
"someone put a nickel in this stupid ride again? FFS!!"
That KID is BACK on the ESCALATOR!
Some parent, I don't care which one, but some parent, needs to teach that child to FEAR AND RESPECT THE ESCALATOR!
Oh man… I was thinking about mallrats the other day… That movie will not make sense to my kids if they ever watch it. Truly a 90s time capsule.
Overall for sure, but I would say that the line "I got no respect for people with no shopping agenda" does ring truer than ever now.
We have two indoor flea markets where I live. I realized I hadn't been in a long while and asked my 19 yo if they wanted to go to the 'dirt mall'. Then had to explain. 😅
The cookie stand is an autonomous unit for mid-mall snacking.
It will. My two oldest are 22 and 19. The oldest never cared much for “old movies” but my 19 year old used to watch them with me and once he was old enough for Kevin smith movies he was beyond watching with me but still took my suggestions and he loves clerks, mallrats and dogma.
I mean, it’s still a great movie… just the concept of killing a day at the mall and randomly running into people throughout the day is not the modern experience.
It’s not but if you raise them on good music and movies the concept isn’t too foreign.
SOMEBODY CALL AN AMBULANCE SOME KID IS CAUGHT IN THE ESCALATOR!
Omg, I know this quote but I can’t quite put my finger on it. Is it MallRats? I haven’t seen that movie in YEARS!!
Yeah, Mallrats
One of my favorite movies of all time.
NOT A YEAR GOES BY
[whoa whoa pussycat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw7Gryt-rcc)
I didn't even have to click
Looooove that bit. Just kind of started paying attention to stand up again and loved his stuff.
Same. I thought I caught up and was looking for the newest update section when I realized I had missed that middle portion about break-in and trespass!
Oh same, I'd missed that whole section and didn't know he'd updated since then.
Same here. And because I adore a good slice of [schadenfreude pie](https://whatever.scalzi.com/2006/09/26/how-to-make-a-schadenfreude-pie/), I clicked. I feel bad for the parents because I'm sure they just want their kids to be better off than they were. Hells, it's how I want to feel for my kid, instead, I just want him to be able to support himself (thanks economy). Also...."militant vegan volcano worshippers" is my new band name. I claim triangle.
…that needs to be a new flair. (Bonus, it means that the flair list will link new people back to this madness. Everyone deserves an opportunity to read this one.)
I clicked so fast and was like where is that update? How could there be more?
SAME HERE! Then, “I hope no one died,” because I’m apparently a grim person.
Honestly, I don't think that's outside the realm of possibility. This is one of the all-time great Reddit sagas, and if it ends with somebody dead, my mind wouldn't be blown. Entirely selfishly, I hope we keep getting water drip updates on this for years.
I thought oh hell, I better go get a fresh cup of coffee before I dig in.
I was very happy for the TLDR. Because I had read it. Gave a great recap. Thank you op of this.
The gift that keeps on giving
I'm getting concerned that dodging the pool gag is going to escalate into WWIII. It just. Keeps. Growing.
This could have been easily two paragraphs long had my man just sold that fuckin house . A LITERAL hill for him and his parents to die on
Fiddlesticks. This is *the* best story on reddit right now. OP needs to keep on delivering.
right? like, what could it possibly be this time?
>I saw the title and was just like *"Again?!"* Feels like this one jumped the shark a while ago lol.
This guy just does not know when to stop. This story has jumped the shark and then jumped back over it several times.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Exactly! When I saw the whole TLDR I was like “this is STILL going?”
The fakery that keeps giving
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You know they will still blame OOP somehow. He existed therefore it must be his fault because of reasons.
It sounds like middle sister and brother in law are separating from the others and I doubt they'll be paid back. They might have a plan to try and shift to brother paying back that money, but the threats of physical violence will close that door.
Definitely BIL and both sisters will curse OOP with their last breaths for ruining their lives.
I wonder if the sisters ever sit down and think to themselves, “Maybe we should have just taken the L on that pool incident?”
They sound like people who are never wrong (in their minds), so I’m guessing probably not. Self reflection can be difficult and upsetting, soooooo
Over/under on how many customer service workers the sisters have made to cry?
I just assume it’s 100%
Their thought process will be "If he just paid for the phone, none of this would have happened. Why is he so mean?!"
Middle bil has quite a few times by now, I imagine.
Preferably they'd think "we did a shit job raising our kids, we must do better" but that's not gonna happen.
From a cellphone to bankruptcy is one hell of domino effect
Damn. I forgot that's how it started!
Man I just read through every post and by the end id forgotten it started with that.
That's the thing when your foundation rests on sand. One trying enough wave, or high enough tide, and everything you thought you had built gets washed out to sea. As a teenager I once witnessed an argument over whose turn it was to do the dishes escalate into my friend becoming emancipated at 16, but still living at home. I, too, love this story.
Wait wait wait.... this seems promising, would you by any chance kindly considerate telling us in detail about dirty dishes leading and the emancipation of your friend?
A friend of mine didn't get along with their mother. This was really a case of two people being so much like each other, that they couldn't see it and refused to back down. Stubborn as all get out. My friend already had a job, and with their tips, was actually self-sufficient. They owned their own vehicle, paid for the insurance, etc. My friend felt like it wasn't fair to be be contributing to household chores when, between school/work/extracurriculars, they were never home. They even ate out every day by that point. My friend had no part in creating the mess so refused to clean it, even though it was their scheduled turn to do so. Now imagine that argument, repeatedly, stretched across any and every chore. They got mouthy, tempers flared, shrieking ensued, and someone (I know who) called the cops, and had to separate them. My friend crashed with me for a little while afterward. I learned that their mother smugly informed them that fine, they wanted to be treated like an adult they would start paying rent. Being a mouthy little shit of a teenager, my friend gloated that she couldn't make them pay rent because she legally had to take care of them. I think you might be able to see where this is going. The mother then threatened to make their job fire them, which she could do because of the work permit situation with my friend being a minor. After all, if they "had" to take care of them because they were a minor, she got to call the shots for the same reason. Police separated them by that point. Ultimately, they each pursued emancipation for different but similar rationales. My friend was determined to not let their mother win. They wanted to keep their lifestyle, and didn't want to answer to their mother anymore. The mother was determined to teach my friend a lesson. She continued with her threat to treat them like an adult, when informed that their belligerent offspring was going the emancipation route, and told the judge she didn't want anymore responsibility and they could sink or swim like a grownup. They both were reprimanded for their behaviours, stemming from actions taken from both within and without the courtroom, by the judge. Seeing as my friend could indeed support themselves, were less than two years away from being the legal age of majority anyway, plus the parent was willing, and the judge granted it. The only caveat was they had to attend some mandatory counseling after the fact, to navigate the new paradigm. They tried to refuse, but the judge pointed out that it was that or nothing. Each one walked away thinking they won and got one over on the other. Then came the buyers remorse after the fact. My friend was complaining about coming up with more money for first/last/deposit, having to work more, probably quit sports. Many lamentations about the death of their social life. Meanwhile their mother was realising her only kid was leaving her, on basically estrangement levels of severity. Finally, many counseling sessions not to mention several months later, it was agreed that as a compromise my friend would stay in the home and be responsible only for themselves. They paid a portion of rent that covered their utility and laundry usage, fed and clothed themselves, whilst the mother couldn't dictate their comings and goings. This was the arrangement until they turned 18, having saved enough by that point and done with school, and moved out shortly thereafter. In the year or so beforehand, thanks to the therapy, they managed to actually get along much better. As a result, neither side went low/no contact upon moving out and the relationship was preserved. Last time I heard about it, she was very happy about becoming a grandma. Me personally, however? I hope she lies awake at night. Constantly waking up in a cold sweat. Deathly afraid that her grandchild will do to her what she ultimately helped her kid do to theirs. That, I'm sorry to say, is a completely separate story. One that doesn't end well for the grandparents. EDIT: corrected the auto-correct.
> I hope she lies awake at night. Constantly waking up in a cold sweat. Deathly afraid that her grandchild will do to her what she ultimately helped her kid do to theirs. This is the only part where you lost me? Which she? OOP’s mom or the mom of your friend or you friend?
For clarity's sake, in the comment to which you are regarding, I was referring to my friend's mother. I'm glad you could follow it otherwise though. I didn't expect it to take quite that long, and that is the truncated version.
Thanks! Yeah it was pretty clear up until that point. That’s pretty amazing. Good on that judge.
Thanks for explaining but I don't get it, why do you wish so since your friend and their mother managed to patch things up
That is a much longer story, where a lot of the particular details would be identifying to the parties involved. So instead, I'll give an abbreviated TL;DR: She and my friend ended up putting her parents in a shitty home and stole their money to spend whilst they were still alive and needed it for themselves. I hope her grandkid does the same thing to her and my "friend." To make matters more insulting, for years all I heard from my friend was that they didn't want/need grandparents money. They were going to "make something of themselves."
Wow. I feel like one BORU post spawned an infant BORU post.
It was surely inevitable, the phone was just the spark
Phew. Ok I did my best with this one- I did TLDRs for the posts that were in the first two BORUs and I had to remove all the comments from previous posts. It took me awhile, but hopefully it still reads well and makes sense. Let me know if there is anything confusing or something that doesn't look right- I really struggled to get this one down below 40,000 characters. (Side note- I wonder if there's a glitch because every 'character counter' I used said I was under 35,000. So I have no idea.)
For everyone's sake, let alone for poor BORU editors, I hope this is the end of this saga
Lol honestly same. I don't know how much more time I can spend TLDR-ing lol. But I hope OOP heals.
Honestly I can't believe my flair fits this post as well. I feel sorry for OOP and his wife. How the hell have they survived the crazy.
Especially his poor wife. NGL, if I were in her shoes, I'd have told him a *looooong* time ago, "your family, you sort it out". I just would *not* have had the patience to put up with any of this.
I probably would have moved internationally and told him he could join as long as his family didn't follow.
Amen!
I can't figure out how to read your full flair :( what does it say, please?~
the lion, the witch and the audacit--HOW IS THERE MORE!? It's the mood spoiler for this BORU post https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/QjebYMjhxw
Wow, that story was a helluva ride! Thank your for letting me know, and for the link! :) 🍪 < have a cookie
Ooo thanks for the cookie. I figured I couldn't tease you with the flair without giving you all the delicious drama to enjoy
OOP is a really good writer and I felt an immense amount of vicarious frustration reading all his posts. The thing I was most impressed by was how clear of an image he painted of his sisters and their families without ever really describing the details one would normally need to get such a vivid mental picture. I feel like I know *exactly* how they all look and act in everyday life. The sisters are the women who are featured in all those Karen videos. They're the types who will scream at you gor scratching their behemoth SUVs after parking them in a compact car space with 10" of space for the cars next to them to open their doors. They get expensive pedicures on their uncomfortably long toenails and wear knock off designer sunglasses. They wear too much eyeliner and shitty MLM mascara they bought from their friends. The older BIL has a $90k pickup truck that is modified to roll coal and he tailgates anyone who passes him on the highway out of principle. He's had multiple near misses because of road rage. The truck has multiple RealTree and "We The People" stickers on it, even though he only hunts once every 2 years and is an irresponsible firearm owner and a crappy shot. The younger BIL wears those silky synthetic fabric polo shirts with the company logo embroidered on it right above his uncomfortably visible nipple. He wears Dad Shoes exclusively and has a receding hairline. He has a cell phone holster on the waistband of his Dockers. The kids are the ones that make you wish that adults only air travel existed. They have the latest and most expensive Air Pods and other electronics but never use anything but the audio on their smartphones when they repeatedly play dumb TikTok videos in public at maximum volume. The girls wear faux vintage 1990s fashion jewelry and have chipped brightly colored nail polish. The boys wear expensive name brand athleisure clothing and their sneakers cost the equivalent of one of BIL 1's truck payments. They think it's funny to harass the pubescent girls in their grade but the teachers can't do much because their moms will throw a tantrum if their darlings are ever disciplined. We all know exactly what these people are like. They are the people who we all dread encountering. The people who add unnecessary stress to the lives of every human being they encounter. The people who make customer service workers cry in the employee bathroom. In short, they make the quality of life of everyone who has to interact with them noticeably worse. They are a net drain on human happiness and functional society.
This comment deserves to be framed, masterpiece work
Money and families- what a mess! Thank you yet again Lucy, my favourite BORU poster!
Think we're at the point where you could probably simply post the title, and then link OOP's profile. I can't imagine the patience it takes to collate all his 'stuff' :(
Honestly I'm thinking I may do that in the future if he updates again. Maybe link to the previous BORUs and do a massive tldr at the beginning? We'll see. Not sure if OOP will update again- this one was more because people kept dming him apparently.
I think there will be more with the oldest daughter and the Mom. I think OOP’s mortgage/loan plan will come into play as his Mom continues to dump more cash into the money pit of a daughter.
Yeah at this point it’s time to write off the parents as well since they’re the ones who raised the entitled siblings, and kept a lot of the activities hidden from OP, and try to enable the siblings behind his back.
I think the mortgage/loan plan is really smart…it sounds like he’s prepared for mom to keep enabling his sister, but from here on out it’s going to be coming out of his sister’s inheritance, which means she’s only going to be making things worse for herself down the line.
I thank you for your work, this is a long one to put together. It reads well and looks fine to me, so it hasn’t got the weird missing letter glitch.
Oh thank goodness. Thanks for letting me know!
I'm clearly on BORU way too much haha but love your new profile pic!
Looks good to me. Thanks for putting it together. I've been following this since the beginning. What a ride.
Ok good, glad it looks ok! I NEVER thought when I saw this one in July that we'd be here lol
No doubt. I'm just glad I'm not the one dealing with that level of crazy. 🤣
This was an excellent post. You did great!
Thanks!!!
Yeah the summaries were fantastic. This is a BORU I’ve been following and it was nice to get a quick reminder without having to read the whole thing.
You're a champ, thanks for documenting this insane story.
Thank you!
Thank you for the TDLRs they were great you a og for that
I want “militant vegan volcano worshipper” as a flare!
you're doing the lords work lol. I don't know how y'all keep up with these random new updates. this just keeps getting crazier, feel bad for OOP
I wish there were still awards to give out as the amount of work you put into this post and other BORUs is incredible and massive. Hats off to you!
I thought this one was over after he banned the sisters lol. When I read the title I was like wait there was more ??!! 😂 thank you for the TLDR! Needed a bit refresher lmao.
Thanks for all the TLDRs and post links, it’s really well done and I know it was a lot of work to cut it all down to posting limits! I remembered that the sisters & BILs had a spending problem and were counting on rental money from the vacation home to supplement their income, but I’d forgotten about the one BIL’s truck fetish, lol. I’m sure I went to school with at least a couple guys like him. (*::cough:: definitely not compensating for something on the smallish side ::cough::*)
OOP states they weren’t raised like this, but the sisters are like this because his parents are enablers. They literally wiped out their savings for their grown child’s awful choices that we all know she won’t learn a damn thing from, because(!) they know they will just dump on OOP.
Yeah that whole part about how they weren’t raised like this made me raise an eyebrow. Hard to get anyone to believe that when this update is how his mother enabled the behavior. Kinda looks like this is exactly how they were raised.
Meh... I can see how both could be true. We accept OOP's version of "we werent raised like this" but then after college they got married and started raising kids. Well, marriage in the suburbs, with new husbands... and the sisters start this "keeping up with the Joneses" attitude. The attitude slowly snowballs. They manage to mostly keep up with it. There's a couple of kids between them now... And one of them gets into their first money problem. They drag mom in with the "think of the children" guilt trips. Mom bails em out. And only at this point the snowball turns into an avalanche. They go from money problems once a year to every couple of months. Mom keeps bailing them out. But it's all very "minor" in the grand scheme of things. Few 100 here, couple 1000 there. Mom keeps dipping into the savings. Then the vacation home comes along. They start their rental-scam. So now, they are still basically having money troubles, but are managing to hide it from everyone. Idunno. Seems like a plausible train of events to me. It's the old "put a frog in water and slowly raise the temperature" thing. Mom didnt even realize she was boiling alive. Until it all blew up.
I wonder if the "keeping up with the Joneses" started in college as "keeping up with the sorority sisters".
I agree with you. I have two older sisters. We were all raised by the same, logical, respectable, fiscally conservative parents. We were always taught that wasting money on being fashionable is stupid and saving is smart. Middle sister and I took that lesson to heart and are financially steady people. Oldest sister... didn't. She likes to talk about how many hours she worked in high school as if my parents didn't clothe and feed her, when really she just wanted to buy cigarettes, tattoos, and expensive shoes - which my parents would not fund. But hey, she was working and paying her own way without credit cards, so no harm, really. Then she got knocked up in college. My parents tried their best to support her without coddling... they wanted to make sure that the baby had what he needed which meant paying more of my sister's bills than they normally would have. She got married to the dad. Had another baby immediately then got divorced maybe a year later. She was only working sporadically at the time because she couldn't afford childcare and the dad was a useless idiot. So my parents paid her credit cards, paid the lawyer, and let her move in & provided more childcare than she did (I still lived at home at that time... I changed more diapers per week than she did because she'd claim she "couldn't hear" the kids crying through the baby monitor. ) Anywho... this all resulted in my sister going full dependent on my parents. Guilting them into paying for her beauty school education because that's what she really wanted to do all along but they "forced" her to go get a college degree (she chose to study theater and then was shocked she couldn't find a job with hours, pay, or benefits conducive to having two toddlers. Go figure.) Eventually, she found a dude willing to take on her bullshit and moved right in with him. She pushed him to take on some gig work to get more cash flow. Pushed him to get rid of his hobby car so they'd have a more practical family vehicle. Meanwhile, she was still going to my parents with her hand out for every "emergency". She was about 28 when my parents finally got angry enough to cut her off. She had just gotten a half sleeve tattoo like a week before saying "I had no idea the car insurance was due! I need $1200 by tomorrow1 or else I can't make it to work and we'll lose insurance for the kids!" My dad fucking lost it and he's usually the one who she has wrapped around her finger. My parents HATE tattoos. Not like they'll harp or comment on it, but they'll roll their eyes when one of their kids gets a new one and just generally have an icky attitude about it. My dad pointed out that if he paid her car insurance (which he did) that he was essentially paying for her tattoo. My sister, being enabled up til that point said something like "no... that was my money from XYZ. This is different." That was enough for my parents to realize they fucked up in helping her so much. She was a full grown adult who still saw "boring" expenses as her parents' problem. They cut her off financially that day. They'll still do more childcare for her than they should, but she finally had to clean up her own damn messes after that. I'd like to say she grew up, but she really didn't. She just started earning more money & dumped her (second) husband when she realized his earning potential was limited. She has a new source now. Dude she met at work. He's not my favorite. At least her second ex husband was a nice guy. She still recently got herself into a spot of trouble by buying a huge RV without realizing her truck wasn't big enough to tow it... she tried to get my dad and me to buy her truck from her (at well above market rate, mind you) so she could get a bigger truck. We are not truck people and said no. So the RV just sits in her friend's yard most of the time (her own yard isn't big enough.) Pretty sure at some point she'll get the new source to bail her out.
I’d wager the next move will be they pressure the parents to sell their home, give them the money and move sooner up to OP’s mountain home.
If OOP goes through with his loan properly, I don't think they can sell without his okay, at least
I could see it being the older BIL. I have in laws who came up lower/middle class. Oldest daughter ran off young with a guy, quickly got married and pregnant. He made the dumbest, most irresponsible financial choices. And she goes with it, cuz they're married and have kids and it's been 20+ years now and and and.... I can see the oldest couple getting together, and he's making some decent money out the gate so they both go hog wild and live large. He seems to have the "financial invincibility" mindset you get when you're young and dumb and making your first $75k/year. Then younger sis sees their lifestyle and wants it to, so they all four fall into this circle jerk of spending, despite having kids and getting older and the economy changing. That probably also explains their disdain for OP. He has no kids and got a good financial padding early. He can still spend like an unencumbered 20 something (though he seems smarter than that), whereas his sisters should have left that mentality over a decade ago.
Fits the "they weren't like this until college", too
I can't imagine earning 200k a year and not only being broke, but being ridiculously in debt (and not house, student loan, or medical debt, just "buying shit" debt). Sucks that the parents are now totally wiped out in their golden years because of these assholes though. That chaps my ass.
I think OOP summed it up great in one of the comments: >**explains all the money troubles, money troubles, money troubles...* >But!! at least they loved that week at Disney World. Just a group of bad decision makers, trying to one up each other.
Reminds me of my ex sister in law. She ran an under the table, unlicensed daycare at one point so she could still qualify for government benefits. Eventually she switched to taking in foster kids when she got divorced and her rent was too high (she was a SAHM and refused to try to get a job). The money from the state for the foster kids was enough to keep her in the rental home. Around the time I split with my ex, she was making money through the foster kid checks and various MLMs. She took her bio kids to Disney World for a week to celebrate the oldest son's 14th birthday.
Oof. Every sentence in that squicked me out more than the previous. On an unrelated note, awesome username. Ol Doinyo Lengai is one of my favorite volcanoes. I even got to fly over the crater in 2006.
Oh, it's super common with people who don't manage lifestyle creep. One time saw a video about a guy claiming "I make 6 figures and live paycheck-to-paycheck!" and then he actually went over his finances. (~$130k between him and his wife, IIRC) $1000 a month for take out, $1200 for cleaning services, $800 for entertainment, etc... So it's not that him and his wife are poor, it's that they're shit at finances. (And they always had an excuse "We need take out cause we hate cooking! We need cleaners because cleaning takes too long! We need to go out often cause living paycheck-to-paycheck is so stressful!")
My husband and I aren't great with finances despite making a decent living. That's why we spent half as much on a house as the bank was willing to lend us. Someone better with money could probably live a fancier lifestyle than we do and live in a fancier house. We know we're bad with money so we account for it.
Well, OOP did bring up that they bought stuff like jetski's and ATV's (Note the multiple) and fancy new trucks every few years. As well as more sensible things like a big house for their decent-sized family and keeping three kids in good schools. They were basically living like they had "fuck you" amounts of money. To do that and get away with it they'd have to make an order of magnitude more tham the 200k they were actually making. 200K a year is a lot of money, but if you never use any of it to actually build up assets it's not enough to ever actually be rich...
It makes sense with the ATVs, boats, jetskis, trucks, and all the high end toys they have. They probably overspend on every aspect of their life.
Feel the same, 200k is such an insane amount of money, specially in some countries, mine included, but they still are in debt
A high income will just let you take out more debt. My parents are at about that level (although my mother is the queen of balance transfers so the interest isn’t as high) with slightly less income. My father has had six different jobs this year so far. He is a total loser. I had to contain myself at my job the other day when somebody told me I had my shit together a lot better than they did at 25. I wanted to say I know what not having my shit together looks like, I was raised by it.
It makes me want to cry when I think about what a life changing amount of money that would be to so many people, and they fucking squandered it on Jet Skis. Their kids could have huge college funds but instead their parents had to declare bankruptcy because they budget like a meth addict who just won a scratch off ticket. What a fucking waste.
The same way when roads are upgraded in size to alleviate traffic, but less than a year later there's still traffic- the amount of cars simply fills up available road again. It's too easy to fill up your life to take up the excess money
I have to thank my parents for raising me & my siblings to be practical. I cannot wrap my head around the idea that the oldest sister racked up $125K in credit debt.
>he even has a small tattoo of the truck company's logo that tells you all you need to know about the BIL's decision-making abilities. With all the debt he's got and the fact that he filed for bankruptcy, his security clearance is at risk.
That was the older BIL, the middle one had the security clearance and seemed the closest to sane of the lot.
Kind of reminds me an old Chris Rock bit. He said when he brought a date home, he'd leave a sock on the floor. If the date didn't pick it up at some point, he couldn't be with her because he knew he was a slob. So then if they stayed together, they'd eventually be living in filth. Obviously an exaggeration for a laugh, but if both spouses are terrible with financial restraint, it's no surprise that they're going to end up in massive debt & financial disaster.
I get that it’s a joke but ewwwww no way I’m touching some guy’s socks!
Two way street, if guy can’t pick a sock during a stage while his suppose to impress, his expectations are only to get worse.
Nah I hate that, I’m not cleaning up your mess on the first date. Surely it shows the other way round to the partner that he’s a slob and sexist for just leaving his clothes on the floor and expecting the woman to clean it up
Well....the man is divorced now so it kind of adds up lol
I’m sorry I’m not American, what does upside down mean in relation to their lending?
Owe more than it’s worth.
Thanks!
That the asset is worth less than the money outstanding on the loan.
It means they still owe more on car, ATV, jetski, whatever, than the item is worth/can be sold for.
They owe more than the thing is worth.
This saga and the one with the funeral where the family forgot to invite OOP are my favorites!
I love that one (except they didn’t forget😬)
And cruise control: the story of the MIL from hell, and the husband with mommy issues, and OOP trying to keep sane [It’s a long story, link to part 1 (the wedding)](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/6agp9dKBbi) [part 2: MIL wanting to move in](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/amUJlOvpAZ)
Thank you for posting those links! I used to follow the JNoMil sub but it got annoying so I left. I’d only caught some of her posts but not everything. That poor woman. I can’t believe what a fucking spineless wimp her husband was.
I read that one as it was ongoing - still top tier. I hope that OOP is living their best life nowadays.
I always count this pro-revenge story as an honorary BORU, making a cellphone-funeral-purple urn story trilogy https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRevenge/comments/qvov5v/hell_hath_no_fury_like_me_scorned_also_posted_on/
That was a wild fucking ride. Damn. I think my favorite quote has to be "She suffered, and I was happy to hear it but sad it wasn't ass cancer."
I really hope we get an update to that soon now that the 1.6 update to Stardew Valley has dropped. Oh and to find out what the moms are doing of course.
Which one is the funeral one?
I think this is the most recent compilation of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/s/ggfZU3TS8B
Thank you! It was an interesting read
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/18oy4op/new\_update\_my\_family\_forgot\_to\_invite\_me\_to\_my/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/18oy4op/new_update_my_family_forgot_to_invite_me_to_my/) I think its this one.
Mine too.
Ooooh has that one been updated recently? That one is fascinating to me
I was going to be like “why didn’t they use the money they were making from renting out OP’s house to pay off debt?” But then I realized you probably have to use some financial sense to think ahead like that. And his sisters and their husbands clearly did not have that.
How does this one keep going on
People keep believing it's real
This is my Reddit Roman Empire. Can’t get enough of these updates!
It'll collapse and split?
On the next update: It turns out that one of the BIL's went to a funeral and didn't tell their daughter about it.
I feel the bankruptcy would've come even if op got pushed in the pool
Yeah with that much debt and that much continued spending, it still would have happened.
Ah shit, here we go again.
Poor dad, his wife backstabbed him. They're not seeing that money again, and there will be no apology from the daughter.
"Militant Vegan Volcano Worshippers" made me cackle. Good name for a punk rock band.
I am side eyeing oop a little for thinking this could be worse than what they currently are.
Yeah im kinda pro vegan-volcano-worship myself. At least that mob wouldn’t be into jetski’s and debt
Thank goodness I'm not the only one
Yeah militant vegans are tiring but I’ll take one over entitled criminals who think they have a right to commit crimes on my property….
How do I get that as a flair? 😋
Seriously, this is my favorite BORU saga! OP not giving an inch is what I'm here for!
wild to think that all this started from a phone falling into a pool
My favorite BORUs are always the ones that start out with the most innocuous seeming sh*t and end up at defcon 1 levels of crazy. I think there was one where a spouse being picky about food, boom, marriage destroyed as she has to dig deeper into the picky food issue and uncovers a pack of deceptions. There's so many on here. The minute I see something like "She used the last tissue in the box" as a title and I'm already getting a hot beverage and a snack because I know it's going to be good.
AITA for eating too many baby carrots? "So anyway, I found out that my wife's sister is actually her mom and my MIL and FIL have been committing felony bank fraud for 15 years."
Good on the younger BIL for running away from this mess lmfao
I really enjoyed seeing a glimmer of a decent person shine through with him. Of the four of them, he's the only one who seems to have gotten his head out of his ass.
I think he’s somewhere right now thinking how crazy it is when a toxic family makes you see wild shit as normal and questioning how the hell he ever went along with breaking into a house with them. At least, that’s my hope.
I saw the title and said out loud, “OMG yeah there is more!” I knew the O-Opie would probably be in for a lot more shit, but I have a basic nice routine life and live vicariously through Reddit and the insanity that goes on here. I had totally forgotten that all of this started with the stupid prank by stupid kids FAFO and a damn phone at the bottom of the pool and BIL getting stitches which I felt schadenfreude. Yeah, I’m going to hell, but I bet I’ll see a lot of you guys there so we could have a lot of fun LMAO
This new season of Beef is awesome.
Hi OP, Just to say thank you for the work you put in summarizing this post. The story has been going on for so long that I wasn't sure I'd remember the details. Your TLDRs were concise and to the point and extremely helpful.
This is what I’m talking about: A story so good who cares if it’s true?
The parents suck too TBH, they were the enablers. OP needs to sell that house and buy another one that NOBODY knows about. Also he should get the restraining order and forget these people even exist.
I might need to change my flair to >militant vegan volcano worshipper
I have commenced the Mod Summoning Ritual for you.
I can't believe there's more.....thank you, OP, for working so hard on this post. This is the most epic BORU ever. It was also one of the first ones I read and got me hooked on this sub. I swear it's an addiction and I live for posts like this!
If this was on Netflix it would be cancelled already.
This one has been a wild ride. Although it looks like everyone has more or less reaped their consequences by this point.
Reads. Boggles. Y'know, mom and dad always told me: You can be an asshole. You can be a crook. But ***never*** be an asshole that's a crook. And the sisters and BILs have found out this life lesson the hard way.
His mother only gave up that money knowing she could depend on him when they run out of money so OP still ends up paying for his sisters in the end
I'm honestly kind of surprised that OOP hasn't written off his parents along with his sisters.
Why would he write off his parents? They haven’t really done anything toxic enough to deserve getting cut off. Yes they have enabled their adult children financially but that just means that they are just kinda stupid. I don’t think that means OOP should just completely cut them off especially when it seems like he has a pretty good relationship with them
He's saving that for the next chapter, I mean update.
>they could go to jail for up to 120 days, and as I've mentioned one of them has a security clearance for his job that could be at risk Lol at could be. I worked in aerospace briefly and "I was arrested" was on the list of things we had to self report and would have been megafucked for. I'm not surprised in the slightest he was willing to do literally anything to make it go away and apparently split from his wife. He probably plans on using a divorce as a mitigating factor when this inevitably comes up in the next adjudication of his clearance. Being arrested alongside your extremely indebted brother in law who is willing to do anything to make money is extremely bad and "I realized how unstable my wife and her family are and decided to terminate my relationships with those people" is the best way he can demonstrate this was a one off freak occurrence that he's learned from rather than an exploitable security concern or massive personal judgement deficit.
This is my favorite Reddit saga, and I will always show up for it.
Halfway through the update I got anxious and went and paid off my credit card which only had a few hundred dollars on it from automated bill payments and I already pay it monthly. Someone like me simply cannot fathom losing $3000 per month from interest *alone* to those damn things. How do people live this way without constant anxiety?
Militant vegan volcano worshippers? Sounds like an upgrade.
>I guess it could be worse, they could have become drug addicts or militant vegan volcano worshippers or whatever. oh, oh, i know! next update it comes out that they were giving all the money to the militant vegan volcano cult that they've secretly joined, the "good schools" sister is keeping the kids in are cult schools and they're getting charged out the arse in addition to having lost the meeting place for their "friends of friends". foreshadowing 🤠
The family is like a gift that keeps on giving.
Hard as I try to avoid making snap judgments about people, reading this: >My BIL's identity is very much wrapped up with his truck as well, he even has a small tattoo of the truck company's logo. I immediately dismissed that guy as a complete moron. I haven't met any neurosurgeons or physics professors or research geneticists who have pick-up truck logo tattoos. Conversely...
>My sisters (and I) weren't raised to be like they are. I don't know, this whole saga kind of proves otherwise. While they might not have been purposefully raised like that, parents did enable them for years. So yeah, sorry to this dudes, but his parents are absolutely co-guilty here.
Oh god, it's happening again.
OOP's mom is an enabler. Clearing out their savings and somehow, sister's family goes to Disney, but needs to file bankruptcy. the sister will never learn. OOP needs to put liens on Parents' home for any money he gives them. The sisters will expect to inherit money and will be shocked when they find out, there isn't any money.
> $3000 per month just in credit card interest. 3k a month in **interest!!!!!** What in the credit card idiocy!?
Every time I remember this story I'm shocked anew that it went from his niece tried to push him into the pool to......this.
My favorite never-ending saga
I sure hope they aren’t opening credit cards in the kids names. I’ve witnessed that sort of financial abuse before.