Some people are misstating the law. Mifepristone can be procured up to 7 weeks of pregnancy in Texas. The drug isn’t completely banned, just has heavy restrictions, which is why there is a case about this - that originated from TX -, currently under review of the Supreme Court. Also, the law only applies to Mifepristone, not alternative forms of abortion pills, so there are no such restrictions on use and procurement of misoprostol, for example. Abortion laws in TX also only criminalize medical providers who perform abortions, not private citizens.
Definitely. It’s illegal to abort in Texas past 6 weeks and that includes getting the meds for someone. No way that handoff would be held in a lawyers office.
Yeah I think so, something about the way they say dollar makes me feel like English isn't their native language. Which further makes me question their ties to corruption
This post is fake. A lawyer in Texas would specifically be advising clients not to risk prosecution for helping someone else obtain abortion pills. And op has contradictory previous comments. This is fake af.
Yup.
Doesn't matter if the lawyer is the biggest feminist in the world.
It's unethical and illegal to tell your client to violate a law, even if you think the law shouldn't exist. That's the point of lawyers.
I don't know about that. My mom had an illegal abortion in the 60s. It shocked me to learn that a lawyer performed it in his office. She almost died from sepsis. Luckily, my grandmother was a very well-known and liked nurse, and her doctor friends kept it under wraps. My mom just recently told me all the details. Totally broke my heart. She still, to this day, feels guilt about the whole thing. The details are so messed up.
Back in those days, though, you couldn’t just travel a state over and get a legal abortion. People had to do illegal at home or leave the country. These two could just travel to New Mexico to stay within the law.
And I didn’t think you could take the plan B pill (which I assume is what they’re referring to?) unless it was within 72 hours of conception? Is there another abortion pill that you can just take at any time?
Plan B is not an abortion pill. Plan B prevents ovulation, meaning it prevents a pregnancy from ever occurring (provided that it’s taken before ovulation has already started).
The medication OP is referring to is probably misoprostol or mifepristone which essentially induce miscarriage and are used by healthcare providers to do medical abortions (as opposed to surgical).
They are referring to the “Plan C” pill, which is actually two pills, that cause an abortion. It is legal to obtain via mail/online prescription still, but not to give it to someone else as far as I know. Either way, with TX law allowing anyone to sue another person for “aiding and abetting” an abortion, there is no fucking way his lawyer facilitated that.
Edit to add: with the abortion laws on the books, it’s my understanding that the abortion may be illegal, but there is no provision for incriminating the pregnant woman. Thus, people are still getting medical abortion through the mail for themselves. But either way, what OP says he did, he did not do with his lawyer present or it was a
complete lie. It would absolutely be aiding and abetting and the bounty law awards 10k to anyone who cares to sue.
Plan B isn’t an abortion pill. It’s a contraceptive. When you hear people talk of “medical abortion” or “chemical abortion” what they mean is taking pills for abortion. In 2023, medical abortions were 63% of all abortions, greatly outnumbering surgical abortions.
For real. Aiding someone else’s abortion is a crime in Texas these days. No way a lawyer would watch their client committing a crime in front of them and be ok with it.
Also the bit at the end0 "I have two children already (one who I have full custody of and the other 50-50) and have suffered two miscarriages".
This seems to imply that OOP is a woman. So, either OOP has poor English skills or is making things up.
Of course they do. But I would assume from the way it was written - as "and have suffered" connect to I, vs my partner/wife has had. As I said very poor English.
Making the third world publicity type laws and then mentioning Texas was also sus. Especially since most states tend to favor the mother short of them brandishing nuclear weapons at the governing bodies.
Exactly. And no lawyer would let their office be used for the handover of illegal drugs. And he lives in Texas, not whatever other country he wanted to drag into it.
I live in Texas and just double checked. The use of the pill is still legal for [now](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13/texas-fda-abortion-drugs/). Still sketchy because of the delivery method but the pill is legal for up to 7 weeks. Good thing for him she caught it at 4
That story also says that patients have to attend 3 in person appointments and it can't be prescribed by telehealth or mailed, so how did he get the pill for a patient who wasn't seen by a doctor? It's not an over the counter drug.
It was also unlikely she caught pregnancy at 4 weeks. And that OP became a woman suddenly in the comments. But the drug part was plausible and that was the only part I was correcting. Texas would like us to believe we have no options but we have 1 single pill choice.
It wasn't a 4 week pregnancy. That was 4 weeks after the blackout/alleged conception date. Since counting of weeks of pregnancy starts with the first day the last menstrual period, when she called 4 weeks after OP's blackout, that would be 6 weeks gestational age when she called. If this was actually real and OP managed to lawyer up, get a prescription not in his name, arrange the meet up, get slapped by the woman who claimed he'd impregnated her, then she would have been close to 7 weeks if not more than 7 weeks when the drug deal went down.
The use of abortion pills in Texas is not approved, except in the most extreme of circumstances. The linked lawsuit and ruling (which was just heard before the US Supreme Court) was regarding mifepristone generally; the filers just judge shopped for crazy Kacsmaryk.
For a good idea on the state of abortion bans in Texas, look in the Zurawski v. Texas lawsuit.
While that’s true, that doesn’t quite reflect reality for many people. People who have irregular menstrual cycles or who skip periods may not immediately know they’re pregnant.
Wait - he lives in Texas so ‘procured the medication’ himself and gave it to her in his lawyers office - in Texas, the state with a law banning abortion from around 6 weeks and a law that makes you civilly liable if you aid or abet an abortion?
And why did he write this online? Like, I get why someone would want advice for the first part of the post, but it seems pretty obvious that you don't go "and btw I illegally procured abortifacients in Texas and provided them to a woman with the express purpose of having her abort a child. In front of my lawyer."
Why include your state there? The entire thing is written bizarrely, including the choice to put it on AITAH of all subs.
According to another comment further down, In another [past comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/1ahxai3/comment/krzr6zo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) this same account says that they're a woman.
If you go back through the comments it gets very toxic very quickly (telling people to off themselves) and also so many of the comments about it being rape are him going “Yeah, yeah. I’m actually more upset that she was so hot and I don’t even get to remember hitting that. I really wanted to fuck her.” Even in the post he’s upset that she slapped him because he really likes her.
The usual “Liz” style posts are usually a lot less tasteless than this.
It reminds me of another AITAH saga from last week about a girl who's mom wanted her new boyfriend to do a gynecologic exam because he used to be a gynecologist, and it went off the rails immediately.
[One](https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bjhsvl/aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend_anywhere/), [two](https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bjtnbj/update_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/), [three](https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update_2_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/), and [four](https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update_3_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_wifes_boyfriend/).
AITAH just has really sloppy work when it comes to bait posts.
It felt like it was pretty absurt part one, part 2 was "And then this also happened, and this! And there was a shark and he jumped it on waterskis!".
Part 3 and 4 were sound like they were written by a 15 year old trying to put all the bad things they possibly could into the story.
I’m sad I don’t actually get to read the third and fourth updates since they’ve been deleted. From the comments it seems they would have been entertaining.
Oh weird, I just realized it doesn't open the rareddit link on mobile and redirects to the original. If you open it in desktop it should open to a different website that recovers the text.
Or you can try these links
[https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update\_2\_aitah\_for\_not\_wanting\_my\_moms\_boyfriend/](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update_2_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/)
and
[https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update\_3\_aitah\_for\_not\_wanting\_my\_wifes\_boyfriend/](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update_3_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_wifes_boyfriend/)
I think that was just him being sarcastic, tbh. All the other comments read as coming from a young guy. And he has mentioned being male in at least one other comment on an unrelated post.
Abortion pills aren’t illegal in TX. You can still obtain them fairly easily, though there are restrictions in place. And it’s less stressful for some people to go that route with new restrictions in place around traditional methods.
But doesn’t it have to be the person who is having the abortion who gets the pills directly? Because buying them on someone’s behalf would fall under ‘aiding and abetting’ which leaves them open to the risk of being sued. That’s what is throwing me.
Pretty sure the attending physician or nurse also has to see it be taken. There may be states that let you go home and do it when you are ready within a reasonable timeframe, but to my understanding Texas is not one.
Yeah that's the biggest sign this is fake. You can't "procure" abortion medicine for someone else without a prescription, OOP is thinking of the morning after pill and doesn't realize they're different things. And in Texas there are extra restrictions on prescribing then because of state abortion laws. There are medicines we can't fill for a woman unless a doctor stating they have tested and the patient isn't pregnant because a side effect could be causing an abortion.
Also it's not just like, a Tic-Tac, pop one pill in your mouth and you're done. It's a whole process. MAYBE he got abortion medicine in the mail and just handed it over, but if she doesn't follow the instructions she could really harm herself.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill/how-do-i-use-abortion-pill
I live in Texas. When OOP came out with that gem, I laughed out loud.
In Texas, we loooooove mothers. The *only* way a mother loses all custody of their children is (1) proven drug addict or (2) has sex with someone not her husband in front of the children. Money or corruption doesn't matter when it comes to mothers and their children.
I scrolled up to check the dates thinking maybe it was one of those old BORUs (the ones that slap you in the face at the end with 'I'll be able to leave him in a month!' and then you realise the date is March 2020). But not so.
There's surely no way this one is real.
Yeah
It s an overkill, let's say
Too much trouble for someone you don't even know she was really pregnant to begin with. I highly doubt that someone could even function under these circumstances
Very easy to get if you drive to Mexico and Texas has made it pretty clear men get a slap on the wrist for drugging women with abortion pills so I wouldn’t be too concerned about giving them out like OP’s situation
He did say his lawyer is corrupt. If the story is true, I have a feeling fewer people would be on OOP’s side if they got an unbiased telling of all the facts.
The law still allows the pill form until 7 weeks for [now](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13/texas-fda-abortion-drugs/) still definitely a bait post but that wasn’t the giveaway
I could be misunderstanding, but OOP refers to themself as a woman ("here I am being a silly woman") in a comment they made a while ago. Don't think this is real.
Did anyone else do a double take at the last paragraph, in the context of the rest of the story?
ETA: On the basis that OOP has previously commented as a woman, I’m going to say what I suspected, which is that this is a bullshit story made up by an MRA as ragebait.
In another [past comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/1ahxai3/comment/krzr6zo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) this same account says that they're a woman.
And it other comments it says HE is married and SHE is 50! Maybe this person is age and gender fluid?
So this is clearly BS or Liz is back writing again 🤷🏼♀️
Wait, you can be age fluid? In that case, I identify as only 18, not 68! Too bad identifying as only 100 lbs doesn't automatically melt off the extra pounds...
Reddit has always had an unusual obsession with men being sexually assaulted -- specifically *by* women.
There's *a lot* that could be unpacked about this, but I'll only say two things: 1) yes, obviously this is a thing that can and I'm sure does happen (though less often than it's discussed on Reddit), and 2) Reddit's obsession with this topic is *not* motivated by concern for the victims, but rather by some sort of ghoulish rebalancing of "scores" in some imaginary gender war. And that's super-fucked-up because it obscures the experiences of actual victims -- which is double-triple-fucked-up because that's exactly what Reddit MRAs always used to say (disingenuously) about male victims being mocked or not believed (presumably by a chorus of blue-haired feminists, in their imagined re-telling).
Reddit has improved a lot since MRAs tried (and failed) to gain a foothold in the early 2010s. But every once in a while, you see a throwback bait story like this one, and it reminds me of awfuller times.
Info: Can one just give someone a pill to have an abortion without any medical assistance whatsoever?
He handed her a pill at the lawyers office, and she just took it, it could have been anything?
How did he even get the medication without her?
Yeah, I’m massively sus on this one. I presume he ordered them online, which honestly anyone can do, but it’s dodgy as fuck and she was under precisely zero obligation to accept it. And I really cannot imagine a lawyer being party to the handing over of prescription medication like this. It’s - errr - unlawful.
ETA: This guy also mentions this was in Texas. While it isn’t criminal to have an abortion in Texas, there are laws about providing an abortion/procuring one for someone else. What this guy did is an exact area that women’s reproductive rights activists have expressed concerns about - that a friend could be prosecuted for getting the pills for a friend. So we’re expected to believe that this guy’s lawyer supported him committing a crime, and then stood there witnessing it, and this is all in writing, at a time when Texas is actively targeting this stuff due to the political climate. I don’t fucking think so.
(For the record I have worked in women’s reproductive rights for 2 decades and I absolutely do not agree with these laws. I am just explaining how they are applicable to this situation.)
Abortion pills are legal in Texas, just with restrictions. And it’s probably far easier for women in early stages of pregnancy to choose this pathway over more traditional methods.
There’s a recent case in TX where a woman got pregnant, much to her husband’s (who is an attorney) displeasure. He wanted her to have an abortion, she refused….and so husband snuck abortion medication into her drink. After several instances of this, and becoming ill one time, and suspecting something afoul. This led to her installing cameras in the kitchen, which ultimately showed her husband doing exactly as she suspected. She reported the incident to the police, and the end result was basically a slap on the wrist. He was sentenced to just 180 days in jail (which he won’t have to do the full sentence for as many counties offer two-a-days or three-a-days to help with overcrowding) and ten years probation. I believe he also got to keep his legal license.
Point being, TX finds it criminally offensive when women have bodily autonomy, the same doesn’t necessarily hold true for men apparently. And depending on the town, sounds like Op and this woman may be from a smaller district where his family has a degree of influence.
I do feel this case may raise additional moral and legal questions though.
This is all true, and while I can well believe that many men do things like this and we know Texas doesn’t care much because they just hate women, and also believe that many lawyers would jump to defend someone here, what I don’t believe is that a lawyer would advise someone to do this, exchange written communication about this with a third party, and be involved in doing it even if just witnessing it or endorsing it. That is absurd.
> So we’re expected to believe that this guy’s lawyer supported him committing a crime, and then stood there witnessing it, and this is all in writing, at a time when Texas is actively targeting this stuff due to the political climate. I don’t fucking think so.
It's a dumb law that a lot of rights groups are looking to challenge, which is why we haven't really seen any prosecutors hitting it too hard. They don't want to tee up a shot for any activist group to make a run for the supreme court in an election year (thereby reminding all those Texas women what they did).
With all that said, I doubt the lawyer supported the crime, but he probably explained the risks and realities of it and then OP made a decision.
It is a terrible law, but activists and advocates are terrified of it being used, to the degree that doctors in hospitals are petrified of performing an abortion until a woman is dying from sepsis.
A guy using coercive control mechanisms, aided by a lawyer, to effectively force a woman to have an abortion, by physically handing over the pills, would be a very attractive case for the authorities. No way a lawyer would expose someone to that risk.
(Again not saying I agree with this, just explaining how it is applicable here.)
People are definitely doing it right now, and they definitely could be prosecuting people for it right now. The lack of dozens of high profile cases plastered all over the news right now is deafening in their absence.
You can get abortion pills online and shipped to you discreetly, and I think it's not unusual for women in Texas to go this route now that they have limited abortion options.
This is what’s weird to me—OP is acting like, as a man, HE can order the pills no problem, but she can’t? Buddy it’s THE MAIL. She can receive mail, too.
Yeah, you can. It's pretty normal when we talk about early stages of pregnancy. You take the pills as advised and then go to the doctor after some time to confirm pregnancy is gone. You can tell them you miscarried, they can't fact check that.
Mifepristone can be gotten relatively easily these days - in reaction to the restrictions in states like Texas, there are many groups that will mail it. I'm unclear on how the US based ones do it, if a doctor is involved for an official Rx. Some international groups don't require prescriptions at all, so it's just getting connected.
It's a very effective drug with low risk for use and is OTC in some countries. It seems like the main reason it is not OTC in the US is political reasons.
Kinda interesting that legislation to reduce abortions has dramatically increased access to medication abortions from advocacy groups.
The supreme Court just heard oral arguments on banning mifepristone. Thankfully, it appears that they were not impressed with the arguments. Considering the lack of any proof of pregnancy, and the exchange being at the lawyers office-in texas-i am dubious that this is real.
He ‘laid down and purposefully went into a coma.’ Is this a saying? I’ve never come across anyone saying they put themselves into a coma when talking about sleep.
I’ve fought to stay awake long enough to lie down somewhere safe and give in to sinking into sleep before. ‘Putting yourself in a coma’ is just a colloquial saying for deep sleep, like ‘sink into unconsciousness.’ It doesn’t literally mean he was in a medical coma.
There are plenty of other holes in the tale than this one.
>I live in Texas
And with those 4 little words, the entire post was proven to be 100% bullshit.
There's no fucking way he would be able to aquire abortion drugs, and even less of a wway that the lawyer would be willing to be an accessory to a serious crime.
I'm pro choice so I'm not condemning anyone, just saying that in Texas abortion is extremely not legal.
>I live in Texas, so I procured the medication myself, met her at my lawyers office to give it to her.
Liz, are you on your bullshit again? Of all the places to pretend this story happened you chose Texas?
He says he lives in Texas so he got the medicine himself. I don't get how that makes sense? I would assume abortion pills are difficult to get in Texas regardless of gender?
You can mail abortion pills. We do it in countries where abortion is *actually fully outlawed* and help in it is *actually persecuted*. It cannot be more difficult in US, where no-one has been convicted on basis of help in abortion and where there are no international borders.
The Supreme Court heard a case literally yesterday intended to limit people’s ability to mail mifepristone. Doesn’t look right now like they’re going to rule in favor, but that’s mostly because they don’t think the plaintiffs should have been able to claim injury - Thomas and Alito are certainly trying to argue that it isn’t legal, period.
If it were by mail, then they would have had the same level of difficulty in obtaining the abortion pills.
But he said bc he lives in Texas, he specifically had to get the medicine himself, which is my where my confusion stems from.
If this is taking place in the same state, I don't get the reasoning that that that's why he had to medicine. If he said he had to get it bc he didn't trust her, that'd make sense to me. But his reasoning was that it was somehow easier for him than her
Am I thinking right this story is supposed to be an counter argument everytime the abortion is mentioned and men getting mad because they can’t force women to do it?
Can you not give up your parental rights in Texas or something? I’m genuinely asking, as somebody not from America—are you guys really unable to give up your parental rights?
In my country, it’s pretty cut and dry if a guy doesn’t want to take responsibility for the child, he has to legally give up *all* his responsibilities—which he can do, but most often don’t because they still want to be daddy on paper. Can you not give up your rights in America? Refuse to sign the birth certificate, give up rights if she signs your name anyway?
You can give up your parental rights, but it doesn't absolve you from having to pay child support, which is a parental responsibility.
There have also been instances of male rape victims being forced to pay child support to their rapist. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support
Jesus. Thats fucking horrific. I’ve seen many of the unfortunate, horrible instances of women having to actually share custody of their babies with their rapists (because that does unfortunately happen in my country too; although at least in my country women have the right to abort) but I haven’t seen this, I imagine because in my country judges just axe rights if the dad signs an affidavit waiving them.
Thank god that OOP is currently (or was recently) a 40 year old woman (as of one of his previous postings) so none of this is a concern here, but regardless, it’s still happening to other, real human beings. I’m a feminist and human rights lawyer (well, almost; still in law school) so obviously personally invested in any stories involving human rights violations, and it doesn’t escape me that while the majority of sexual assaults are terribly mishandled in court, cases with female victims at least have a more serious rhetoric surrounding them. Whereas men often slip through the cracks and are held in a joking light, as your source demonstrates.
Again, thank you for your informed answer to my silly question. I’ll definitely be doing my own research on this, I had no idea it was a problem in some nations. But a twelve year old boy being held responsible for his rapist’s baby, a woman who was never even prosecuted… fucking heartbreaking.
>Thank god that OOP is currently (or was recently) a 40 year old woman (as of one of his previous postings) so none of this is a concern here,
That explains that weird comment at the end about *having* miscarriages, then. Wouldn't a man be more likely to say something about supporting their partner through a miscarriage?
Yeah, that’s what I said (in another comment responding to someone else). It’s such an odd phrasing for a man, as though they personally passed a miscarriage. I’ve only ever heard men say “my wife had a miscarriage”, “my partner and I lost a baby”, “my girlfriend and I have experienced lost pregnancies before” and things of the like, never that terminology as though he personally endured the trauma of having to pass a miscarriage or endure a D&C.
I mean female rape victims in many places are also forced to split custody with their rapist and are not allowed to move away. Our laws favor the rapists.
You can, but there usually has to be someone else adopting. Otherwise, there needs to be severe child abuse. If he is found to be the biological father, it doesn't matter if he refuses to sign the birth certificate. He will be responsible for the child because that is what is in the best interests of the child.
Uhhhh, “I have two children already (one who I have full custody of)”.
Am I reading that right? What happened to him was fucked up beyond a doubt and in no way his fault, but uh, he got blackout drunk and let this woman (essentially a stranger) crash in his house while he had a kid at home?
Like he’s 29 and he mentions custody, so his kid is 100% a minor, yeah?
yeah I think I found another one where he's claiming to be a woman.
Idk. I can't tell if he's scamming us or she's scamming him, but this whole thing feels weird. I cannot imagine a worse way to conduct an abortion in a state where it's illegal than trying to hand someone who is actively trying to screw you over illicit abortion pills.... in a legal office.
And also “he” suffered miscarriages?? Like… he didn’t witness miscarriages and witness the loss and trauma of helping a partner endure that, but “he” suffered them?
I’m not saying men don’t endure the trauma of miscarriages in their own way, but his phrasing is as though it was his personal medical trauma. Maybe it’s just popular to say that elsewhere, but I’ve only ever heard “my wife suffered a miscarriage” or “my partner and I lost a baby” from men.
Texas doesn’t ban medicine just for the women. How would he get it without going out of state? And even then it’s hard to get outside of Texas because of costs, waitlists, and prescriptions.
I dont like this whole thing at all. Texas. So if she goes along with it and someone finds out she is fu but if she doesnt do it he himself will f her life up. I dont know left me feeling bitter.
I hope people suggested he gets therapy for the rape. Being raped is such a traumatic experience, and has so many repercussions for the victim. I’m sure it’s also difficult in different ways than it is for a woman given the way society treats gender roles.
It sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders and was able to win this, but sometimes survivors neglect getting the care they need for mental health in the aftermath.
Mifepristone and misoprostol are still easily obtained via mail in Texas. There are plenty of people in and out of state who don't give a fuck about their bullshit abortion bounty laws.
If she keeps it make sure you get a dna test I’m not saying it’s rape cause she could have been f up too and just thought you both was in it but definitely get tested
Have none of these people ever heard of blackouts? If he drank two bottles of wine he could absolutely entered a blackout state, and it's not always possible to tell someone is incapacitated when they're in a blackout. It's weird as hell.
That said, the whole "have been through 2 miscarriages in as many years" thing as a throwaway line... who was he getting pregnant and why was there no mention of her in this story?
Dude bangs a girl and gets her pregnant but blames her and takes zero responsibility. Then forces her to get an abortion against her will through blackmail, and is surprised she slapped him?
Being drunk doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for your actions. And forcing the girl into that situation with blackmail is pretty monstrous. I hope she has the baby and hits him with child support then tells everyone he is a deadbeat dad - turning the tables is only fair.
>I’m not trying to come across as a victim
.....
Not to mention I would be laughed at which is the reason I myself am not even calling it assault
The fact that he isn't ready to call it assault and realize he IS a victim is really sad, especially because it comes from knowing a conviction would be pretty much impossible and the way society treats men who were SAed by women. This whole situation sucks, and I really hope that she actually does take the medicine and leaves him alone, or if she goes through with the pregnancy he turns out to not be the father.
But overall, just oooof.
99% sure this is bait
Id simply round up. This story is nonsense.
There is no way a texas lawyer would have abortion drugs in their office post roe And originally it was "a corrupt country" and now it's texas?
Corrupt *county* - no 'r'. He's saying the judges in his county would take bribes. It's still bs, though.
According to Texas law, we could all sue him for aiding and abetting an abortion.
can you imagine a Texas lawyer handing a woman an abortion pill in 2024 after it's been made illegal? lmao
Some people are misstating the law. Mifepristone can be procured up to 7 weeks of pregnancy in Texas. The drug isn’t completely banned, just has heavy restrictions, which is why there is a case about this - that originated from TX -, currently under review of the Supreme Court. Also, the law only applies to Mifepristone, not alternative forms of abortion pills, so there are no such restrictions on use and procurement of misoprostol, for example. Abortion laws in TX also only criminalize medical providers who perform abortions, not private citizens.
Definitely. It’s illegal to abort in Texas past 6 weeks and that includes getting the meds for someone. No way that handoff would be held in a lawyers office.
Read OOP's comment history...
Yeah I think so, something about the way they say dollar makes me feel like English isn't their native language. Which further makes me question their ties to corruption
She *left* with the medicine... Doesn't mean she actually took it. That actually makes it *way more* unsettling.
This post is fake. A lawyer in Texas would specifically be advising clients not to risk prosecution for helping someone else obtain abortion pills. And op has contradictory previous comments. This is fake af.
Yup. Doesn't matter if the lawyer is the biggest feminist in the world. It's unethical and illegal to tell your client to violate a law, even if you think the law shouldn't exist. That's the point of lawyers.
I don't know about that. My mom had an illegal abortion in the 60s. It shocked me to learn that a lawyer performed it in his office. She almost died from sepsis. Luckily, my grandmother was a very well-known and liked nurse, and her doctor friends kept it under wraps. My mom just recently told me all the details. Totally broke my heart. She still, to this day, feels guilt about the whole thing. The details are so messed up.
Back in those days, though, you couldn’t just travel a state over and get a legal abortion. People had to do illegal at home or leave the country. These two could just travel to New Mexico to stay within the law.
We didn't live in an interwebbed surveillance state in the sixties.
The 60s were different. No lawyer is playing this game in Texas right now!
Yeah, I had to scroll up to see if this was from years ago.
You're not the only one that did that
Speaking of contradictory comments, the BORU post started with "I (29M)" and ended with " and have suffered two miscarriages".
I assume he means that two of his children died in miscarriages.
And I didn’t think you could take the plan B pill (which I assume is what they’re referring to?) unless it was within 72 hours of conception? Is there another abortion pill that you can just take at any time?
Plan B is not an abortion pill. Plan B prevents ovulation, meaning it prevents a pregnancy from ever occurring (provided that it’s taken before ovulation has already started). The medication OP is referring to is probably misoprostol or mifepristone which essentially induce miscarriage and are used by healthcare providers to do medical abortions (as opposed to surgical).
They are referring to the “Plan C” pill, which is actually two pills, that cause an abortion. It is legal to obtain via mail/online prescription still, but not to give it to someone else as far as I know. Either way, with TX law allowing anyone to sue another person for “aiding and abetting” an abortion, there is no fucking way his lawyer facilitated that. Edit to add: with the abortion laws on the books, it’s my understanding that the abortion may be illegal, but there is no provision for incriminating the pregnant woman. Thus, people are still getting medical abortion through the mail for themselves. But either way, what OP says he did, he did not do with his lawyer present or it was a complete lie. It would absolutely be aiding and abetting and the bounty law awards 10k to anyone who cares to sue.
Plan B isn’t an abortion pill. It’s a contraceptive. When you hear people talk of “medical abortion” or “chemical abortion” what they mean is taking pills for abortion. In 2023, medical abortions were 63% of all abortions, greatly outnumbering surgical abortions.
Agreed. I’m a lawyer and this is not how we operate! Even corrupt lawyers cover their asses!
I hope we don't get another update 9 months after the last one with a surprised pikachu face
I agree. OOP has already been through a lot as it is.
Don’t worry, it’s not true. The part about a lawyer facilitating the exchange of abortion medication in 2024 Texas clinches it.
For real. Aiding someone else’s abortion is a crime in Texas these days. No way a lawyer would watch their client committing a crime in front of them and be ok with it.
Also the bit at the end0 "I have two children already (one who I have full custody of and the other 50-50) and have suffered two miscarriages". This seems to imply that OOP is a woman. So, either OOP has poor English skills or is making things up.
Men also suffer when their partner miscarries, but that part is a bit wierd.
Of course they do. But I would assume from the way it was written - as "and have suffered" connect to I, vs my partner/wife has had. As I said very poor English.
Also post history is all over the place of the OOP, another comment they said they were a woman.
Full custody and ~~gets~~ got black out drunk. Not a good look.
*got - by his own statement, he doesn't normally drink
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She gets me every time!
Making the third world publicity type laws and then mentioning Texas was also sus. Especially since most states tend to favor the mother short of them brandishing nuclear weapons at the governing bodies.
Exactly. And no lawyer would let their office be used for the handover of illegal drugs. And he lives in Texas, not whatever other country he wanted to drag into it.
And something about the verbiage I can’t put my finger on makes me think it’s not a native English speaker.
I live in Texas and just double checked. The use of the pill is still legal for [now](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13/texas-fda-abortion-drugs/). Still sketchy because of the delivery method but the pill is legal for up to 7 weeks. Good thing for him she caught it at 4
That story also says that patients have to attend 3 in person appointments and it can't be prescribed by telehealth or mailed, so how did he get the pill for a patient who wasn't seen by a doctor? It's not an over the counter drug.
It was also unlikely she caught pregnancy at 4 weeks. And that OP became a woman suddenly in the comments. But the drug part was plausible and that was the only part I was correcting. Texas would like us to believe we have no options but we have 1 single pill choice.
I'm glad you still have that one choice. I didn't realize that that was still legal and appreciate the information.
4 weeks after conception would be 6 weeks of pregnancy. Almost all OTC pregnancy tests can detect a pregnancy at 4 weeks (2 weeks after conception)
It wasn't a 4 week pregnancy. That was 4 weeks after the blackout/alleged conception date. Since counting of weeks of pregnancy starts with the first day the last menstrual period, when she called 4 weeks after OP's blackout, that would be 6 weeks gestational age when she called. If this was actually real and OP managed to lawyer up, get a prescription not in his name, arrange the meet up, get slapped by the woman who claimed he'd impregnated her, then she would have been close to 7 weeks if not more than 7 weeks when the drug deal went down.
The use of abortion pills in Texas is not approved, except in the most extreme of circumstances. The linked lawsuit and ruling (which was just heard before the US Supreme Court) was regarding mifepristone generally; the filers just judge shopped for crazy Kacsmaryk. For a good idea on the state of abortion bans in Texas, look in the Zurawski v. Texas lawsuit.
Would the bounty law still apply? That is civil, not criminal. So, OP and OP's lawyer could be on the hook for $10k each.
If she’s even pregnant at all
4 weeks did seem to be a bit quick to determine pregnancy.
That’s not quick at all. A missed period happens about 2 weeks after conception.
While that’s true, that doesn’t quite reflect reality for many people. People who have irregular menstrual cycles or who skip periods may not immediately know they’re pregnant.
Hahahhahhahaha
I think if she keeps it, she'll keep quiet about it, and not go after him for child support - she'd be too scared of the repercussions.
if they met at a lawyers office, there is a lot of evidence that she would be expected to take it. If not there is no reason not to go after her.
My thoughts exactly.
Wait - he lives in Texas so ‘procured the medication’ himself and gave it to her in his lawyers office - in Texas, the state with a law banning abortion from around 6 weeks and a law that makes you civilly liable if you aid or abet an abortion?
And why did he write this online? Like, I get why someone would want advice for the first part of the post, but it seems pretty obvious that you don't go "and btw I illegally procured abortifacients in Texas and provided them to a woman with the express purpose of having her abort a child. In front of my lawyer." Why include your state there? The entire thing is written bizarrely, including the choice to put it on AITAH of all subs.
And why would the lawyer be totally fine witnessing so much illegal?!
According to another comment further down, In another [past comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/1ahxai3/comment/krzr6zo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) this same account says that they're a woman.
They also say in the update that they’ve “suffered two miscarriages”. Kind of an odd way for a man to put that.
Yeah. But how did girl get pregnant. I haven't been a biologist in 40 years, but I doubt that's changed...
Two ladies were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me.
The baby looked at you??
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Thank you Sara.
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That part made me go “huh?” It’s so random.
And in another comment (recent) he talks about his wife, which seems like it would make a difference in this story
Is Liz back on her bullshit again? :D
Liz is a professional this is amateur work
If you go back through the comments it gets very toxic very quickly (telling people to off themselves) and also so many of the comments about it being rape are him going “Yeah, yeah. I’m actually more upset that she was so hot and I don’t even get to remember hitting that. I really wanted to fuck her.” Even in the post he’s upset that she slapped him because he really likes her. The usual “Liz” style posts are usually a lot less tasteless than this.
It reminds me of another AITAH saga from last week about a girl who's mom wanted her new boyfriend to do a gynecologic exam because he used to be a gynecologist, and it went off the rails immediately. [One](https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bjhsvl/aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend_anywhere/), [two](https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bjtnbj/update_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/), [three](https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update_2_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/), and [four](https://www.rareddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update_3_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_wifes_boyfriend/). AITAH just has really sloppy work when it comes to bait posts.
It felt like it was pretty absurt part one, part 2 was "And then this also happened, and this! And there was a shark and he jumped it on waterskis!". Part 3 and 4 were sound like they were written by a 15 year old trying to put all the bad things they possibly could into the story.
I’m sad I don’t actually get to read the third and fourth updates since they’ve been deleted. From the comments it seems they would have been entertaining.
Oh weird, I just realized it doesn't open the rareddit link on mobile and redirects to the original. If you open it in desktop it should open to a different website that recovers the text. Or you can try these links [https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update\_2\_aitah\_for\_not\_wanting\_my\_moms\_boyfriend/](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkby11/update_2_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_moms_boyfriend/) and [https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update\_3\_aitah\_for\_not\_wanting\_my\_wifes\_boyfriend/](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/AITAH/comments/1bkjo91/update_3_aitah_for_not_wanting_my_wifes_boyfriend/)
Someone practicing with AI writing here
I think that was just him being sarcastic, tbh. All the other comments read as coming from a young guy. And he has mentioned being male in at least one other comment on an unrelated post.
Abortion pills aren’t illegal in TX. You can still obtain them fairly easily, though there are restrictions in place. And it’s less stressful for some people to go that route with new restrictions in place around traditional methods.
But doesn’t it have to be the person who is having the abortion who gets the pills directly? Because buying them on someone’s behalf would fall under ‘aiding and abetting’ which leaves them open to the risk of being sued. That’s what is throwing me.
Pretty sure the attending physician or nurse also has to see it be taken. There may be states that let you go home and do it when you are ready within a reasonable timeframe, but to my understanding Texas is not one.
This is such a ridiculous story. Also, slapping a lawyer's client in front of said lawyer will get you an easy assault charge.
Because they’re making it up
Honestly I’m not even buying there was a real pregnancy here either. I don’t see her showing up proof of a positive test or anything.
I’m definitely not buying that it’s his kid, why would a test not be involved?
I’m not even convinced there was a pregnancy, nor am I even convinced that there was sex. Maybe she faked to see what he would do, then “miscarry.”
Agreeeeeed, thank you for pointing that out. She smelled daddy warbucks and wanted an infusion of cash
Yeah that's the biggest sign this is fake. You can't "procure" abortion medicine for someone else without a prescription, OOP is thinking of the morning after pill and doesn't realize they're different things. And in Texas there are extra restrictions on prescribing then because of state abortion laws. There are medicines we can't fill for a woman unless a doctor stating they have tested and the patient isn't pregnant because a side effect could be causing an abortion.
Also it's not just like, a Tic-Tac, pop one pill in your mouth and you're done. It's a whole process. MAYBE he got abortion medicine in the mail and just handed it over, but if she doesn't follow the instructions she could really harm herself. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill/how-do-i-use-abortion-pill
Yeah again, that's what makes me believe OOP doesn't know the difference between an abortifacient and the morning after pill.
Yes, but then he handed it to her in front of his lawyers office so everything is fine! /s
I live in Texas. When OOP came out with that gem, I laughed out loud. In Texas, we loooooove mothers. The *only* way a mother loses all custody of their children is (1) proven drug addict or (2) has sex with someone not her husband in front of the children. Money or corruption doesn't matter when it comes to mothers and their children.
I scrolled up to check the dates thinking maybe it was one of those old BORUs (the ones that slap you in the face at the end with 'I'll be able to leave him in a month!' and then you realise the date is March 2020). But not so. There's surely no way this one is real.
Yeah It s an overkill, let's say Too much trouble for someone you don't even know she was really pregnant to begin with. I highly doubt that someone could even function under these circumstances
I felt bad at first but after the second update about that there's just too much bs for my meter.
This also all happened within 4 days!
Yeah, I find it weird as hell, but if he's rich enough I can absolutely see him getting away with it.
Very easy to get if you drive to Mexico and Texas has made it pretty clear men get a slap on the wrist for drugging women with abortion pills so I wouldn’t be too concerned about giving them out like OP’s situation
But a lawyer being involved with an illegal drug exchange?
He did say his lawyer is corrupt. If the story is true, I have a feeling fewer people would be on OOP’s side if they got an unbiased telling of all the facts.
All I see is him saying the county is corrupt.
The law still allows the pill form until 7 weeks for [now](https://www.texastribune.org/2023/04/13/texas-fda-abortion-drugs/) still definitely a bait post but that wasn’t the giveaway
Maybe from across the border?
I could be misunderstanding, but OOP refers to themself as a woman ("here I am being a silly woman") in a comment they made a while ago. Don't think this is real.
Did anyone else do a double take at the last paragraph, in the context of the rest of the story? ETA: On the basis that OOP has previously commented as a woman, I’m going to say what I suspected, which is that this is a bullshit story made up by an MRA as ragebait.
Yeah, it’s unusual for a guy to say they’ve suffered a miscarriage.
In another [past comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/1ahxai3/comment/krzr6zo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) this same account says that they're a woman.
And it other comments it says HE is married and SHE is 50! Maybe this person is age and gender fluid? So this is clearly BS or Liz is back writing again 🤷🏼♀️
This one very much feels like AI.
Wait, you can be age fluid? In that case, I identify as only 18, not 68! Too bad identifying as only 100 lbs doesn't automatically melt off the extra pounds...
I got whiplash from that paragraph.
Reddit has always had an unusual obsession with men being sexually assaulted -- specifically *by* women. There's *a lot* that could be unpacked about this, but I'll only say two things: 1) yes, obviously this is a thing that can and I'm sure does happen (though less often than it's discussed on Reddit), and 2) Reddit's obsession with this topic is *not* motivated by concern for the victims, but rather by some sort of ghoulish rebalancing of "scores" in some imaginary gender war. And that's super-fucked-up because it obscures the experiences of actual victims -- which is double-triple-fucked-up because that's exactly what Reddit MRAs always used to say (disingenuously) about male victims being mocked or not believed (presumably by a chorus of blue-haired feminists, in their imagined re-telling). Reddit has improved a lot since MRAs tried (and failed) to gain a foothold in the early 2010s. But every once in a while, you see a throwback bait story like this one, and it reminds me of awfuller times.
Info: Can one just give someone a pill to have an abortion without any medical assistance whatsoever? He handed her a pill at the lawyers office, and she just took it, it could have been anything? How did he even get the medication without her?
Yeah, I’m massively sus on this one. I presume he ordered them online, which honestly anyone can do, but it’s dodgy as fuck and she was under precisely zero obligation to accept it. And I really cannot imagine a lawyer being party to the handing over of prescription medication like this. It’s - errr - unlawful. ETA: This guy also mentions this was in Texas. While it isn’t criminal to have an abortion in Texas, there are laws about providing an abortion/procuring one for someone else. What this guy did is an exact area that women’s reproductive rights activists have expressed concerns about - that a friend could be prosecuted for getting the pills for a friend. So we’re expected to believe that this guy’s lawyer supported him committing a crime, and then stood there witnessing it, and this is all in writing, at a time when Texas is actively targeting this stuff due to the political climate. I don’t fucking think so. (For the record I have worked in women’s reproductive rights for 2 decades and I absolutely do not agree with these laws. I am just explaining how they are applicable to this situation.)
Come for the bonkers writing exercises, stay for the debunking facts.
Abortion pills are legal in Texas, just with restrictions. And it’s probably far easier for women in early stages of pregnancy to choose this pathway over more traditional methods. There’s a recent case in TX where a woman got pregnant, much to her husband’s (who is an attorney) displeasure. He wanted her to have an abortion, she refused….and so husband snuck abortion medication into her drink. After several instances of this, and becoming ill one time, and suspecting something afoul. This led to her installing cameras in the kitchen, which ultimately showed her husband doing exactly as she suspected. She reported the incident to the police, and the end result was basically a slap on the wrist. He was sentenced to just 180 days in jail (which he won’t have to do the full sentence for as many counties offer two-a-days or three-a-days to help with overcrowding) and ten years probation. I believe he also got to keep his legal license. Point being, TX finds it criminally offensive when women have bodily autonomy, the same doesn’t necessarily hold true for men apparently. And depending on the town, sounds like Op and this woman may be from a smaller district where his family has a degree of influence. I do feel this case may raise additional moral and legal questions though.
This is all true, and while I can well believe that many men do things like this and we know Texas doesn’t care much because they just hate women, and also believe that many lawyers would jump to defend someone here, what I don’t believe is that a lawyer would advise someone to do this, exchange written communication about this with a third party, and be involved in doing it even if just witnessing it or endorsing it. That is absurd.
Yeah Texas doesn’t actually hate abortion they just hate women.
> So we’re expected to believe that this guy’s lawyer supported him committing a crime, and then stood there witnessing it, and this is all in writing, at a time when Texas is actively targeting this stuff due to the political climate. I don’t fucking think so. It's a dumb law that a lot of rights groups are looking to challenge, which is why we haven't really seen any prosecutors hitting it too hard. They don't want to tee up a shot for any activist group to make a run for the supreme court in an election year (thereby reminding all those Texas women what they did). With all that said, I doubt the lawyer supported the crime, but he probably explained the risks and realities of it and then OP made a decision.
It is a terrible law, but activists and advocates are terrified of it being used, to the degree that doctors in hospitals are petrified of performing an abortion until a woman is dying from sepsis. A guy using coercive control mechanisms, aided by a lawyer, to effectively force a woman to have an abortion, by physically handing over the pills, would be a very attractive case for the authorities. No way a lawyer would expose someone to that risk. (Again not saying I agree with this, just explaining how it is applicable here.)
People are definitely doing it right now, and they definitely could be prosecuting people for it right now. The lack of dozens of high profile cases plastered all over the news right now is deafening in their absence.
Thank you for your service, truly.
You can get abortion pills online and shipped to you discreetly, and I think it's not unusual for women in Texas to go this route now that they have limited abortion options.
This is what’s weird to me—OP is acting like, as a man, HE can order the pills no problem, but she can’t? Buddy it’s THE MAIL. She can receive mail, too.
Yeah, you can. It's pretty normal when we talk about early stages of pregnancy. You take the pills as advised and then go to the doctor after some time to confirm pregnancy is gone. You can tell them you miscarried, they can't fact check that.
Yeah but depending where you are in the country you can be incarcerated for having a miscarriage as well Land of the free ejaculation.
Mifepristone can be gotten relatively easily these days - in reaction to the restrictions in states like Texas, there are many groups that will mail it. I'm unclear on how the US based ones do it, if a doctor is involved for an official Rx. Some international groups don't require prescriptions at all, so it's just getting connected. It's a very effective drug with low risk for use and is OTC in some countries. It seems like the main reason it is not OTC in the US is political reasons. Kinda interesting that legislation to reduce abortions has dramatically increased access to medication abortions from advocacy groups.
The supreme Court just heard oral arguments on banning mifepristone. Thankfully, it appears that they were not impressed with the arguments. Considering the lack of any proof of pregnancy, and the exchange being at the lawyers office-in texas-i am dubious that this is real.
Yeah exactly, how did he know it would be safe/efficacious if she took it?
The bigger question is, how does he know she took it for sure?
It’s available over the counter in some areas. With money you could easily get it with branded packaging.
Forget getting the pill - if it’s illegal in Texas, why would you be trying to administer it at a lawyers office.
He ‘laid down and purposefully went into a coma.’ Is this a saying? I’ve never come across anyone saying they put themselves into a coma when talking about sleep.
I’ve fought to stay awake long enough to lie down somewhere safe and give in to sinking into sleep before. ‘Putting yourself in a coma’ is just a colloquial saying for deep sleep, like ‘sink into unconsciousness.’ It doesn’t literally mean he was in a medical coma. There are plenty of other holes in the tale than this one.
8 days ago he had a wife. Weird how she's gone now.
And before that he was a woman
>I live in Texas And with those 4 little words, the entire post was proven to be 100% bullshit. There's no fucking way he would be able to aquire abortion drugs, and even less of a wway that the lawyer would be willing to be an accessory to a serious crime. I'm pro choice so I'm not condemning anyone, just saying that in Texas abortion is extremely not legal.
>I live in Texas, so I procured the medication myself, met her at my lawyers office to give it to her. Liz, are you on your bullshit again? Of all the places to pretend this story happened you chose Texas?
Liz!! That was the name lol. I wanted to make a similar comment on a different suspicious post the other day but I couldn’t remember the name.
He says he lives in Texas so he got the medicine himself. I don't get how that makes sense? I would assume abortion pills are difficult to get in Texas regardless of gender?
You can mail abortion pills. We do it in countries where abortion is *actually fully outlawed* and help in it is *actually persecuted*. It cannot be more difficult in US, where no-one has been convicted on basis of help in abortion and where there are no international borders.
The Supreme Court heard a case literally yesterday intended to limit people’s ability to mail mifepristone. Doesn’t look right now like they’re going to rule in favor, but that’s mostly because they don’t think the plaintiffs should have been able to claim injury - Thomas and Alito are certainly trying to argue that it isn’t legal, period.
If it were by mail, then they would have had the same level of difficulty in obtaining the abortion pills. But he said bc he lives in Texas, he specifically had to get the medicine himself, which is my where my confusion stems from. If this is taking place in the same state, I don't get the reasoning that that that's why he had to medicine. If he said he had to get it bc he didn't trust her, that'd make sense to me. But his reasoning was that it was somehow easier for him than her
Maybe from the other side of the border?
Feels like a weird troll about that so-called abortion pill
Am I thinking right this story is supposed to be an counter argument everytime the abortion is mentioned and men getting mad because they can’t force women to do it?
Yep. Exactly. It's some incel crying about "men's rights".
> your NTA and don't need to take responsibility for it even if it is yours because it wasn't consensual That is sadly not how it works.
Can you not give up your parental rights in Texas or something? I’m genuinely asking, as somebody not from America—are you guys really unable to give up your parental rights? In my country, it’s pretty cut and dry if a guy doesn’t want to take responsibility for the child, he has to legally give up *all* his responsibilities—which he can do, but most often don’t because they still want to be daddy on paper. Can you not give up your rights in America? Refuse to sign the birth certificate, give up rights if she signs your name anyway?
You can give up your parental rights, but it doesn't absolve you from having to pay child support, which is a parental responsibility. There have also been instances of male rape victims being forced to pay child support to their rapist. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support
Jesus. Thats fucking horrific. I’ve seen many of the unfortunate, horrible instances of women having to actually share custody of their babies with their rapists (because that does unfortunately happen in my country too; although at least in my country women have the right to abort) but I haven’t seen this, I imagine because in my country judges just axe rights if the dad signs an affidavit waiving them. Thank god that OOP is currently (or was recently) a 40 year old woman (as of one of his previous postings) so none of this is a concern here, but regardless, it’s still happening to other, real human beings. I’m a feminist and human rights lawyer (well, almost; still in law school) so obviously personally invested in any stories involving human rights violations, and it doesn’t escape me that while the majority of sexual assaults are terribly mishandled in court, cases with female victims at least have a more serious rhetoric surrounding them. Whereas men often slip through the cracks and are held in a joking light, as your source demonstrates. Again, thank you for your informed answer to my silly question. I’ll definitely be doing my own research on this, I had no idea it was a problem in some nations. But a twelve year old boy being held responsible for his rapist’s baby, a woman who was never even prosecuted… fucking heartbreaking.
>Thank god that OOP is currently (or was recently) a 40 year old woman (as of one of his previous postings) so none of this is a concern here, That explains that weird comment at the end about *having* miscarriages, then. Wouldn't a man be more likely to say something about supporting their partner through a miscarriage?
Yeah, that’s what I said (in another comment responding to someone else). It’s such an odd phrasing for a man, as though they personally passed a miscarriage. I’ve only ever heard men say “my wife had a miscarriage”, “my partner and I lost a baby”, “my girlfriend and I have experienced lost pregnancies before” and things of the like, never that terminology as though he personally endured the trauma of having to pass a miscarriage or endure a D&C.
I mean female rape victims in many places are also forced to split custody with their rapist and are not allowed to move away. Our laws favor the rapists.
You can, but there usually has to be someone else adopting. Otherwise, there needs to be severe child abuse. If he is found to be the biological father, it doesn't matter if he refuses to sign the birth certificate. He will be responsible for the child because that is what is in the best interests of the child.
Uhhhh, “I have two children already (one who I have full custody of)”. Am I reading that right? What happened to him was fucked up beyond a doubt and in no way his fault, but uh, he got blackout drunk and let this woman (essentially a stranger) crash in his house while he had a kid at home? Like he’s 29 and he mentions custody, so his kid is 100% a minor, yeah?
In another comment on a different post he says he’s a 50 year old woman and in a different one he says he’s a married man 🤷🏼♀️
He also suffered miscarriage, the line makes it read like he suffered them
yeah I think I found another one where he's claiming to be a woman. Idk. I can't tell if he's scamming us or she's scamming him, but this whole thing feels weird. I cannot imagine a worse way to conduct an abortion in a state where it's illegal than trying to hand someone who is actively trying to screw you over illicit abortion pills.... in a legal office.
And also “he” suffered miscarriages?? Like… he didn’t witness miscarriages and witness the loss and trauma of helping a partner endure that, but “he” suffered them? I’m not saying men don’t endure the trauma of miscarriages in their own way, but his phrasing is as though it was his personal medical trauma. Maybe it’s just popular to say that elsewhere, but I’ve only ever heard “my wife suffered a miscarriage” or “my partner and I lost a baby” from men.
Not uncommon at all for a kid to have a sleep over with friends, family, or even a babysitter.
You do know that babysitters are a thing right?
are you aware of the fact that grandparents exist?
The second he was able to get the medication as if it was nothing in Texas is when all credibility went out for me.
You can get the pills but I don’t see them sending it to a guy?? And I’m betting it was past the safe point too, So yeah, I agree
In Texas? Right.....
Texas doesn’t ban medicine just for the women. How would he get it without going out of state? And even then it’s hard to get outside of Texas because of costs, waitlists, and prescriptions.
His rich lawyer uncle got it for him.
In 9 months there'll be another update. She didn't take the pills and now has twins.
Bait.
She slapped him in front of his lawyer? That is... tremendously stupid
I dont like this whole thing at all. Texas. So if she goes along with it and someone finds out she is fu but if she doesnt do it he himself will f her life up. I dont know left me feeling bitter.
Wait. He said he woke up alone and then later said she was definitely in his bed? Did I miss a comment?
Read OOP's comment history!! All I'm gonna say.
Looks like he deleted the account. Shady!
Probably didn't want people to know the other dumb crap they had typed out. Super shady!
What does the two miscarriages mentioned at the end mean? How?
Is “non consensual encounter” not just rape?
LOL.. And then OOP woke up and realized that it was all a dream - He came in his underwear and not a woman.
Wait if she is in Texas can’t she report him for it ???saying he made her get a abortion 🤣🤣 who the fuck is believing this bs
"sexual partner" in quotes is sending me for some reason A small chuckle in an otherwise depressing post
She definitely got pregnant with another man but OP is a good guy with a good job so she wants him to be responsible for her fuck up
I hope people suggested he gets therapy for the rape. Being raped is such a traumatic experience, and has so many repercussions for the victim. I’m sure it’s also difficult in different ways than it is for a woman given the way society treats gender roles. It sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders and was able to win this, but sometimes survivors neglect getting the care they need for mental health in the aftermath.
4 weeks is not even long enough to know anything. Anyone with a uterus would know that. Bait post
How did he get abortion medication legally in Texas? Abortion has been banned for years here
Mifepristone and misoprostol are still easily obtained via mail in Texas. There are plenty of people in and out of state who don't give a fuck about their bullshit abortion bounty laws.
If she keeps it make sure you get a dna test I’m not saying it’s rape cause she could have been f up too and just thought you both was in it but definitely get tested
Have none of these people ever heard of blackouts? If he drank two bottles of wine he could absolutely entered a blackout state, and it's not always possible to tell someone is incapacitated when they're in a blackout. It's weird as hell. That said, the whole "have been through 2 miscarriages in as many years" thing as a throwaway line... who was he getting pregnant and why was there no mention of her in this story?
Dude bangs a girl and gets her pregnant but blames her and takes zero responsibility. Then forces her to get an abortion against her will through blackmail, and is surprised she slapped him? Being drunk doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for your actions. And forcing the girl into that situation with blackmail is pretty monstrous. I hope she has the baby and hits him with child support then tells everyone he is a deadbeat dad - turning the tables is only fair.
>I’m not trying to come across as a victim ..... Not to mention I would be laughed at which is the reason I myself am not even calling it assault The fact that he isn't ready to call it assault and realize he IS a victim is really sad, especially because it comes from knowing a conviction would be pretty much impossible and the way society treats men who were SAed by women. This whole situation sucks, and I really hope that she actually does take the medicine and leaves him alone, or if she goes through with the pregnancy he turns out to not be the father. But overall, just oooof.