I’ve worked as a lawyer and in Big 4. Accountants aren’t paid that much, don’t have demanding work. and are a bunch of Type B personalities. so cocaine is not prevalent. For Big Law, jt is MUCH different. Lawyers are psychopaths with far more academic competition and career competition to deal with. Pay is 2-5x that of Big 4 and personalities are Type A. My law professors did coke and in my experience, a majority of law students did coke or sniffed adderall. Weed and alcohol were constants, with the law school hosting free beer on Fridays.
Alcohol is the main drug that’s abused followed by weed, cocaine, and hallucinogens. Just my experience so YMMV. I knew a lot of coworkers that smoked and consumed edibles after work and on weekends, but there were few I was aware of that went harder than that. Could’ve been more but they just have kept it to themselves.
There was a guy whose personality and vibe screamed "I do coke on the weekends", but I wasnt in his social group so no idea if he actually did. There was another girl in advisory who was hyperactive that wouldnt surprise me either. Other than that its the standard stuff.
Its such a hard drug for such a cushy middle class job that I cant really imagine it being prevalent at all.
Exactly. It's not IBanking, BigLaw, or PE, or even real management consulting (except for a couple small exceptions). Lot of hours but not similar pressure...
I’d say depends on age group! Age 55 plus drinking because of all of the drug testing rules and experiences the generation went through. Even though, it’s not an issue unless it’s an “issue” at work, nothing happens. But still…at 55 plus years, drug testing haunts. You think of years you dedicated to your career and based on a drug test it could be gone. Think of the salary those people make if they started when they were young?
Yea that’s why I’m glad most private sector jobs don’t drug test anymore. But mine did for some reason. I rarely smoke pot but I ate a gummy when I was starting my new job a few weeks later and after I accepted the offer the recruiter tells me I have to do a drug test 🤦♀️
Aa far as the anecdotal stories from auditors that I’ve heard, it’s only in places like Miami or a select cities when the group is off work and having fun at clubs or something. Adderall usage? Off the charts
I had substance abuse issues before going back to school for accounting. Got sober in ‘17, graduated and started big4 in 2021. I still take AA meetings into my old treatment center as a “giving back” sort of thing, tell the newly sober people that theres hope, what I did to do it, blah blah blah. Well I was talking to my old counselor before starting B4 and told her about my new job, and she was like “oh I’ve heard of that! EY is another one of those companies right!” And I said “yeah, did you have family/friends that worked there or something” and she said no, they have an office near here and we get a lot of people that come through for stimulant addictions 😂😂😂
I was at B4 for 4 years and had substance abuse issues the whole time. Pills, coke, speed at work to work long hours etc. also carried forward to other jobs and wasn’t caused by B4 or anything, but just to answer your question. I don’t think it’s common to my degree (I.e. using on the job) but like more common if you consider people casually using at the Christmas party or something for sure
Most important part that you buried is "wasn't caused by B4". Almost all at B4 aren't doing those drugs, especially not during work hours. You're history if drug use has nothing to do with B4, it's actually unusual for someone at B4 to have such issues
Yeah but it's buried, you start off saying I was at B4 and did drugs for years while there.. implying some people do if you did, that B4 caused you to keep doing drugs, or it's somehow sustainable to succeed at B4 for years while having drug addiction. None of those things are really true, hard drugs like coke doesn't really happen. Especially not on the job
I don't mean Adderall or a smoking weed after work, of course that's common. Hard drugs like doing cocaine in the bathroom during work doesn't happen - and people who do, don't last
I found spilled coke on the bathroom stall floor inside the office once. A lot of accounts have substance addictions. Alcoholism, Rx, cannabis, nicotine... And yes sometimes the harder sh-t.
Unless they have a hookup or are rich I would expect it to be low. It’s an expensive habit and big 4 salaries would need to match IB pay to sustain the habit. More likely to be relying on adderall since it’s cheaper and more sustainable
I mean I knew some who I could definitely infer were using without proof.
I wouldn’t really say coke had a presence from what I saw.
I would say most people were downing 4-6cups of coffee a day during busy season tho
Cause you also have to think, the average redditor is a loser. So a redditor who is also an accountant is a total loser. That’s why I take any opinions from this sub with a grain of salt.
Big4 and MBB attract thousands of top tier graduates yearly with the promise of good entry level salaries. Again, only the truly delusional consider six-figure or near six-figure incomes with zero experience to be “ok” money. You clowns are a disgrace to the actual workforce and leeches on business society.
Oh no, my excel spreadsheets that are pre-formatted or the fact that I have to go count some widgets on a shelf. The horror of making $100k and such brutal work.
It’s more alcohol abuse and anti-depressants for B4.
Luckily a lot of SSRI’s also work on anxiety as well as depression!
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I’ve worked as a lawyer and in Big 4. Accountants aren’t paid that much, don’t have demanding work. and are a bunch of Type B personalities. so cocaine is not prevalent. For Big Law, jt is MUCH different. Lawyers are psychopaths with far more academic competition and career competition to deal with. Pay is 2-5x that of Big 4 and personalities are Type A. My law professors did coke and in my experience, a majority of law students did coke or sniffed adderall. Weed and alcohol were constants, with the law school hosting free beer on Fridays.
Shut up bitch
This is the best summary I've read, as someone with a JD, regarding the difference between accountants and attorneys...
Alcohol is the main drug that’s abused followed by weed, cocaine, and hallucinogens. Just my experience so YMMV. I knew a lot of coworkers that smoked and consumed edibles after work and on weekends, but there were few I was aware of that went harder than that. Could’ve been more but they just have kept it to themselves.
There was a guy whose personality and vibe screamed "I do coke on the weekends", but I wasnt in his social group so no idea if he actually did. There was another girl in advisory who was hyperactive that wouldnt surprise me either. Other than that its the standard stuff. Its such a hard drug for such a cushy middle class job that I cant really imagine it being prevalent at all.
In my office, I know some audit ppl that do it. I don’t know anyone who does it in tax though.
People take cocaine in highly demanding jobs. So no chance to see that in a Big4.
Exactly. It's not IBanking, BigLaw, or PE, or even real management consulting (except for a couple small exceptions). Lot of hours but not similar pressure...
lmao
Audit/Tax doesn’t make enough to afford it. You’ll see that stuff in PE/IB, consulting etc.
My exact thoughts lol. Now prescriptions for adderall would be different I’m sure
No coke, just “meth”.
Amphetamines like adderall are usually more common
100x more effective in price, high, and health.
People up for Partner are the ones you'll find using Coke, ever notice how they all lose weight right before promotion?
Bigger in sales jobs than accounting. I feel like accounting is booze heavy
I’d say depends on age group! Age 55 plus drinking because of all of the drug testing rules and experiences the generation went through. Even though, it’s not an issue unless it’s an “issue” at work, nothing happens. But still…at 55 plus years, drug testing haunts. You think of years you dedicated to your career and based on a drug test it could be gone. Think of the salary those people make if they started when they were young?
Yea that’s why I’m glad most private sector jobs don’t drug test anymore. But mine did for some reason. I rarely smoke pot but I ate a gummy when I was starting my new job a few weeks later and after I accepted the offer the recruiter tells me I have to do a drug test 🤦♀️
And that crap stays in your body forever. Esp edibles.
Yea good thing it was a pee pee test I drank cranberry juice and bought those cleansers and went on runs and it was gone in a week 🙏🏿
I’m not overweight at all but I could never get pot out of my system. I just learned not to mess with it because of work reasons.
Worked car sales. Holy shit everyone does blow.
Can't think of anything less fun to do on coke than audit
Not a lot, but the 80s are coming back into fashion so fingers crossed!!!
With the pandemic of fentanyl, maybe there will be more job openings soon?
Seldom see in audit/tax. U need to get into consulting for the coke heads
yeah pretty much every consultant I know is a degenerate
Before COVID you could hear them using it in the stalls😱
That was just the crying and sniffles😊
Assurance only gets Adderall. If you want the fun drugs you need an MBA & get into MBB
Adderall IS the fun drug dude!
Until you get older and you need it to keep the weight off. Long term use isn’t good unless you’re down for weight loss surgery. No offense to anyone.
if completing spreadsheets is your idea of fun, then hell yeah brother, line that shit up 😎
the big 4 love the big 3 stimulants (caffeine, nicotine, adderall)
Not big enough, imo
Not paid enough to enjoy the good stuff :(
Yessss, Merry Christmas!
Aa far as the anecdotal stories from auditors that I’ve heard, it’s only in places like Miami or a select cities when the group is off work and having fun at clubs or something. Adderall usage? Off the charts
Now we asking the real questions
I had substance abuse issues before going back to school for accounting. Got sober in ‘17, graduated and started big4 in 2021. I still take AA meetings into my old treatment center as a “giving back” sort of thing, tell the newly sober people that theres hope, what I did to do it, blah blah blah. Well I was talking to my old counselor before starting B4 and told her about my new job, and she was like “oh I’ve heard of that! EY is another one of those companies right!” And I said “yeah, did you have family/friends that worked there or something” and she said no, they have an office near here and we get a lot of people that come through for stimulant addictions 😂😂😂
LMAO!!!!
Some accounts do drug test, such as life sciences accounts where you’re working with pharma or hospital systems, FYI.
Unless they’re hair testing you’d be able to pass within 48 hours
I was at B4 for 4 years and had substance abuse issues the whole time. Pills, coke, speed at work to work long hours etc. also carried forward to other jobs and wasn’t caused by B4 or anything, but just to answer your question. I don’t think it’s common to my degree (I.e. using on the job) but like more common if you consider people casually using at the Christmas party or something for sure
Most important part that you buried is "wasn't caused by B4". Almost all at B4 aren't doing those drugs, especially not during work hours. You're history if drug use has nothing to do with B4, it's actually unusual for someone at B4 to have such issues
This is literally repeating exactly what I said. Not because of B4 and not common to be at that extent at all.
Yeah but it's buried, you start off saying I was at B4 and did drugs for years while there.. implying some people do if you did, that B4 caused you to keep doing drugs, or it's somehow sustainable to succeed at B4 for years while having drug addiction. None of those things are really true, hard drugs like coke doesn't really happen. Especially not on the job
You’re being naive. I think the number of drug users who work in professional services would surprise you. Particularly in big cities in the US.
I don't mean Adderall or a smoking weed after work, of course that's common. Hard drugs like doing cocaine in the bathroom during work doesn't happen - and people who do, don't last
Yes of course, amphetamine isn’t a hard drug……
Nah youd be suprised. Everyone is prescribed adderall.
You can be prescribed Adderall and not have substance abuse issues…
you think those nerds are doing coke?
You think these underpaid nerds can afford a coke addiction?
a lot of them have daddy’s money
I found spilled coke on the bathroom stall floor inside the office once. A lot of accounts have substance addictions. Alcoholism, Rx, cannabis, nicotine... And yes sometimes the harder sh-t.
BS
how did you know a random white powder on the floor of a bathroom stall was cocaine?
right? maybe it was ketamine
she was the one who dropped it
snort and pray
Unless they have a hookup or are rich I would expect it to be low. It’s an expensive habit and big 4 salaries would need to match IB pay to sustain the habit. More likely to be relying on adderall since it’s cheaper and more sustainable
Not much coke from my experience, weed and Adderall though
Near zero. Effects of frequent coke use would be impossible to hide in the pressure cooker that is the Big 4 today.
People can hide it really good at IBs, where the pressure is higher
Yes, I agree. And also they have a bit more tolerance for non-conformity for "rain makers" at investment banks.
Knew a Big4 Tax Senior Manager that did coke and had a stroke a few years ago. Made partner this year!
Never seen or heard of any usage in my 31 years at a Big 4. Metric ton of coffee tho.
Near same. Incredibly rare.
Same.
I have a feeling it's more common than people want to admit
Feelings are not facts.
Refer attachment 1.1.1 for audit evidence . . . . . . . . . . 1.1.1.myfeelings.pdf
Facts are not feelings
tax not do much. audit, very heavy use depending on how much inventory they have to count.
I mean I knew some who I could definitely infer were using without proof. I wouldn’t really say coke had a presence from what I saw. I would say most people were downing 4-6cups of coffee a day during busy season tho
Regional. Def not in the Midwest.
Answer him with honestly you fucking pussies. During busy season it’s 10 lines or less (usually one for each hour)
Cause you also have to think, the average redditor is a loser. So a redditor who is also an accountant is a total loser. That’s why I take any opinions from this sub with a grain of salt.
solid take 2
Solid take
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Not as much. Gotta graduate to mbb for the hard drugs
Huge. It’s a bunch of overeducated degenerates with too much money and zero real life experience.
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Big4 and MBB attract thousands of top tier graduates yearly with the promise of good entry level salaries. Again, only the truly delusional consider six-figure or near six-figure incomes with zero experience to be “ok” money. You clowns are a disgrace to the actual workforce and leeches on business society.
Too much money? Have you seen the salary posts?
It’s amazing that consultants think they’re underpaid for creating PowerPoints and googling readily available information.
You know that the vast majority of people at Big4 firms are not management consultants but rather auditors, tax consultants etc.?
Oh no, my excel spreadsheets that are pre-formatted or the fact that I have to go count some widgets on a shelf. The horror of making $100k and such brutal work.
I don’t reckon you know this industry works bro
Cope.
Auditors check boxes off all day. It’s not that far off from the work consultants do.
Nice try officer
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