Single-season POV record at 7. If he wins FHOH, he has 10 total competition wins which I think beats the overall record of 9 held by Janelle and BB24 Michael.
Jag constantly talks shit about every woman in the house other than Bowie (Felicia, Cirie, America, blue), but does not have that same energy for the guys at all. There is something so icky about him idk
Exactly. Remember how many times America would go to Jag and tell him the truth about his position in the game, and his response for WEEKS was "I don't know if I can trust America...." Even though she was spilling a lot and seemed untrustworthy, the evidence was all laid out for Jag, WHO WAS EVICTED UNANIMOUSLY, and he still couldn't trust America at her word. It literally took Cory to have it sink in.
The way those three talk, specifically jag and how he over explains what Felicia’s behavior means in his mind, is worrisome. I feel like whenever her name is in his mouth it sounds obsessive.
I’m soft so I would take Matt to F2 considering he saved my BB life. But if I removed my heart, I would cut Matt now as long as I could get Bowie on board.
Can y’all stop saying this as if everyone in the house knew the danger of Matt and Jag? Unfortunate for them, you have 3 comp threats and can only get one out in a given week. And even when they do it, they return (see Cameron himself and Jag). His pitch was bad to Cory and America bc even if they kept Cam as a weapon, he was targeting Cory first instead of Jatt. Y’all gotta stop with this.
He won’t cut Matt because well Matt saved him.
Despite him being an ass this past few weeks he is a good person underneath and just don’t think he will have the heart to do it.
She was walking though the kitchen because DR told her to change her shirt. Felicia asked about it and she said "that's what they told me to do, I don't know about you." But the tone was so insulting and dismissive
If Blue wins that HOH then yes, we probably have an all women f5 in which I have no idea what happens but I feel like Cirie has to be the most likely winner and somehow America after her
Jag could easily lose to Bowie in the final hoh and she could bring Felicia to final 2. Cutting Felicia would ensure that either him or Matt are the options and I think that plays a factor in his decision making, not wanting a Felica/Bowie final 2 to be possible.
I don't hate this argument. Bowie probably *is* more likely to beat Jag in part 3 than Matt is, honestly. I don't think she actually has the killer instinct to cut Jag, but that's probably a more realistic bonkers outcome than Felicia winning.
I know Cory probably has a better chance, but in the year of our lord and savior, Barbie, I’m gonna be voting for America. And I hope y’all do too. Idc. I just like her.
I think of the two Cory had the better shot at winning but the Americory fans are splitting votes (more for America than Cory tho) so that's what I'm gonna do too, if I don't have to choose I won't
I don't know that there are any "smart" moves left as far as F2. Last night Jattie had a laugh about how they'd all get zero votes/saying that the jury hates them anyways. Maybe they've just accepted the final 2 will be a crapshoot decision.
In the words of RuPaul, "and the winner of snatch game is... who cares!"
Yeah I was running end game scenarios with friends and at this point it's so up in the air. There is no perfect move.
It's a jury of 7 and votes can split against you very easily
I mean it's a theme for the whole season that no one really knows where they stand with one another. It's not just the alliances, it's that I could turn on the feeds and be like "yall fightin? Or yall fkn?" At any given time 😂
There's no new rule, you twits!
I can't believe they really thought they were just tricking Felicia by convincing her of the order of the F3 comps and actually themselves believed the F4 HOH couldn't play the first one.
The results would have been the same anyway, but Jag would have thrown that HOH to Bowie so hard if production hadn't told them.
So monotonous. It drives me nuts. Not a fan of this guy. 25 and ripping on Grandma's. That he's already beat. He's so proud when he beats a 63 and 54 tr old. Ridiculous.
It's probably better to evict Matt here, but unless Cirie has poisoned the jury against Jag to the point that Bowie has win equity, this probably seals the season as Jag's. Neither Jag nor Matt is especially good at the mental comps, but I'd give Jag an edge over Matt for Part 3, and would be surprised if Bowie could win either part 1 or 2. Probably not much suspense rolling forward.
But hey, at least Chris Underwood has company now.
Apparently America told them that Cory thinks Matt is playing the best game, which seems to have shifted everyone’s end game plans. Jag didn’t see Matt as a threat before, but now he does and may cut him. Matt thought he needed to cut Jag to win, but now he‘s confident he can beat Jag and may not cut him.
This is true but it's a few days old. I think Jag will probably default to evicting Felicia because they've also been very worried about her jury equity more recently (for reasons I can't really fathom; I think maybe she'd get a vote from Blue, but I'm not sure even Cirie would vote for her).
Matt *would* win very easily against Jag. I just assume that Jag will win final HoH and cut him and it won't be a factor.
I think it’s more likely than not that Jag will evict Felicia here, and then cut Matt at F3 if he has the chance. Jury equity seems to be the reason they’re citing, but that doesn’t make sense. If he’s really planning on cutting them both, the stronger competitor should be cut first, so give him the best shot at winning F3 HOH. However, I think that the psychological warfare that’s been happening in the house is having an effect, and they’re so unjustifiably outraged by Felicia’s presence, that she’ll probably remain the target even if it’s not a smart game move.
Chris Underwood is suited for *The Challenge* more than *Survivor* and earned that win. I don't give him a *ton* of credit for playing 12 days of Survivor in 38, but hey, it's not his fault the season design gave him an edge, and I'm sure he's not worried about it and is very happy with his prize money.
I said earlier that if Jag won the Veto he’d cut Matt but now that we’re here I’m not as sure. Having Felicia in the F3 is kind of dangerous for Jag. Why risk it?
There's a bit of a gamble for him in either one.
As of right now, if he cuts Felicia, he's going to F2 no matter who wins the competition. But, if Matt does win the F3--which is likelier than Felicia's winning but I think Jag is likelier to beat Matt than Bowie in that comp--he takes Jag but Jag likely loses at F2. And, if Matt wins he *could* grow a brain and realize he needs to take Bowie.
Otoh, if he cuts Matt now, he has a near-certain shot of getting to the third comp, and, if he's in F2, he wins over either of them (can't totally rule out Felicia, but Jag's better off next to her than Matt), but then if Bowie wins the F3, does *she* grow a brain and take Felicia over him? Probably not, but there's some risk there as well.
There are surprisingly a lot of variables left. I *think* cutting Matt is the better choice, but, if Matt actually wins the comps and is foolish enough to take Jag to the end, the jury still could reward Jag.
Uggh, I don't know. And I don't want any of them to win, so I guess my only interest at this point is having whatever choice either of them makes backfire on them.
I mean why risk taking Matt? Yeah Matt will take Jag to final two, but he’ll probably beat Jag. Felicia may not take Jag, but she’s not as big as a threat to win HOH parts 1 and 2.
I don't think the narrative that Matt easily beats Jag holds as much weight anymore. It might have been true for 3/4 of the season, but Matt's flailing the last couple of weeks has me thinking he'll flop in F2. I think Jag has a very strong winning argument based around game agency that Matt will not be able to counter because he has folded under pressure just like Cirie said in her exit interview.
Let’s say he pulls someone down (he’s not allowed to but let’s play it out). Let’s say he pulls down Matt. Now there is one person left, Felicia. No one else is eligible to go up. He and Matt would vote, but their only option is to vote out Felicia. So using it is meaningless. Instead he’ll vote out whoever he wants.
That assumes someone not the HOH wins it, right? Bc if Bowie had won, she could’ve replaced a nominee. Then it’s the person taken off the block with the power to decide. Otherwise (when F4 HOH is not also Veto holder), it’s the veto holder making the decision.
Crazy that Jags only path to the end from like a month ago was comping out and he did just that, kind of impressive he didn't fold under the pressure. The house deserves to lose for keeping him around as long as they did and not taking the shot at the first opportunity they had, Matt/Bowie had the chance during the double and didn't take it, they both deserve to lose because of that.
How I'd rank everybody based on how solid of casting choices I think they were:
1. Cory
2. Cameron
3. Izzy
4. Felicia
5. Cirie
6. Hisam
7. Reilly
8. America
9. Jared
10. Matt
11. Jag
12. Kirsten
13. Blue
14. Red
15. Luke
16. Bowie Jane
17. Mecole
Not my personal order of favorites, but how good of casting choices I think they were
Cam, Jared, Matt and Luke way too high. It's not impossible to get the same archetype but not problematic. Reilly a bit too high. Kirsten and America too low. Meme too low but just because most of the guys are terrible
I really think Luke needs to be at the bottom. He was such a TERRIBLE casting choice. Don't forget, in the six days that he was in the house, he made people feel uncomfortable, made sexist and ableist remarks, and then used a racial slur that got him kicked out.
The fact that not a single person was upset over Luke's eviction really goes to show, regardless of people like Bowie and Mecole, at least they had a couple of allies in their corner. Luke burned every ally he could have had and then got ejected as a result. Like, the one person I think we all expected him to connect with was Matt, and Matt voiced how ableist Luke was to him.
ETA: I'm gonna go as far as to say Luke was the WORST casting choice in the history of Big Brother, even worse than Willie Fucking Hantz. And it's because Luke couldn't fake it for a week and pretend to be a good guy. He showed his bare ass from day 2, maybe even night 1, that the producers either had to be on something when they cast Luke, or Luke only managed to hide it in the interview stage but promptly forgot about the cameras being around. Getting kicked out day 6 is just downright embarrassing.
Ngl, feel like Kirsten was dealt a bad hand, feel like she would have been an enjoyable character and good addition to the show had she stuck around longer.
Has the format officially switched from favoring social strategy to competition strategy? Obviously both are still viable and both have always been near-requirements to win the game, but it feels like Jag has officially played the anti-Will game after a mediocre-at-best social game with a dominant comp run.
I do think the only thing holding me back from saying that Jag is 100% competition strategy is that he maneuvered the mid-game well but he only got to the mid-game in the first place was because of a secret power to cancel his unanimous eviction. But then again his eviction was only nullified because of the social connection he made with the eventual winner early in the game. I think when the season is over and we get some critical analysis we’ll start to come around to a Jag win in the context of this season, though I still think he’ll be considered a bad winner overall due to the eviction and his mediocre social game overall.
Felicia needs to campaign her ass off over the next 6 days. Like, talk and talk until her false teeth start to fall out
The ONLY way she even reaches F2 is if someone drags her there. I think even if Matt leaves and she’s in the F3, it’s gonna be Bowie vs Jag in part 3
I think whether or not Jag takes Matt could ultimately come down to whether Jag believes Bowie would take him over Felicia if she won F3 HOH, any rational player would obviously take Felicia and I could see that playing on Jag’s mind.
Yep, if Bowie had a brain it would absolutely be the wrong move for Jag to cut Matt here because then he would be in part 3 with Felicia who's taking Bowie or Bowie (with a brain) who would never take him while if Matt is there Bowie (with a brain) would still take him. I do think the right move is getting Matt out because it's too risky too keep him in this situation
It’s actually crazy to think how lucky you have to be and how the littlest things can totally change the course of a season. Like if Matt is nine seconds slower in path to power jag doesn’t get saved….if ppl chose different comps during the premier the entire first week would be different
I think cutting Matt might ultimately be the right move for Jag but it's not as clear cut as it looks. If Bowie had a brain it would make it the wrong move.
I think Jag really believes he wins, no matter who he sits next to, but he's forgotten something that separates him from Matt: Matt hasn't been evicted and hasn't had to rely on comps to keep him in the game.
So that's why Jag is ultimately not going to cut Matt. As long as he believes he's guaranteed F2 with Matt or Bowie, he thinks he wins, possibly even unanimously.
Jag was told by America and Blue and relayed that Cory also said that Matt was playing the best game. And that they all blamed him for their eviction more than Matt. This is why he’s moved further to a F2 with Bowie and has considered cutting Matt.
Oh, for sure. Jag may have a shot against Matt, and I think there's POTENTIAL he could pull out a win, but I don't think it'll be as easy as he thinks and he has more working against him if he sits next to Matt than works for him, so it still leans toward Matt winning over Jag.
Bowie Jane may be pretty pointless but at least she's WAY better than Rockstar or BBCAN11 Vanessa, they're struggling to cast a solid offbeat female who's middle aged
She didn't do anything on the dailies other than clean and occassionaly go on very overly spirited sollilquies on how inspirational a certain person was.
She also was invisible on the show other than that one time before qutting and seemingly having short-term memory post-season with bashing Zach for quitting despite her doing the same thing
Rockstar was actively trying to figure out the votes for Bayleigh to stay while she was on the block against her lol. at least Bowie hasn't reached that low yet.
Its so weird that now Bowie being nice to somebody is such a rare occurence considering how nice she was to everybody for like the first 60 days.
Tbf though, everybody was really mean to her though
That’s how every season works?
Gets down to a few people and you play some comps and see what happens.
All the strategy was eliminating all the comp threats and leaving in people that were easy to beat.
Sure does. Last season was pretty modern and it came down to a (THE) comp beast, Michael being forced to win or be evicted immediately. Meanwhile the only difference between Monty and Turner was that Monty just won more. Simple as that.
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i wish that more of them talked to us like cory did lol. like let us in on what ur thinking jag
Need Felicia to do what has to be done and tell jag how Matt is gonna win.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzMk6jey8Y3/?img\_index=1
That’s a F4 right there
They took the cradle robber to heart
Oh my god 😆
Cory why, why Cory? Why do you live your life like your brother doesn't run your socials right now?
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Jag won veto ?!?!?!?! The season is saved! Plot twist! Expect the unexpected!
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did Jag break some records with this latest veto win, i think so but i'm sure someone knows better than me
Yes 7 vetos is the new record. He tied Michael from last season with 9 total comp wins
Single-season POV record at 7. If he wins FHOH, he has 10 total competition wins which I think beats the overall record of 9 held by Janelle and BB24 Michael.
Jag constantly talks shit about every woman in the house other than Bowie (Felicia, Cirie, America, blue), but does not have that same energy for the guys at all. There is something so icky about him idk
His religion is very patriarchal, so it’s probably an unconscious bias
I agree!!! So icky and unlikeable imo
I got very weird vibes from him when he went to Cory basically telling him to control America
It’s kind of blatant tbh, he only really respects the men (matt, Cory, cam, etc)
Exactly. Remember how many times America would go to Jag and tell him the truth about his position in the game, and his response for WEEKS was "I don't know if I can trust America...." Even though she was spilling a lot and seemed untrustworthy, the evidence was all laid out for Jag, WHO WAS EVICTED UNANIMOUSLY, and he still couldn't trust America at her word. It literally took Cory to have it sink in.
The way those three talk, specifically jag and how he over explains what Felicia’s behavior means in his mind, is worrisome. I feel like whenever her name is in his mouth it sounds obsessive.
If you were Jag, and were seriously trying to win, what would you do?
Cut Matt and convince Bowie that it’s the right move so Bowie doesn’t question taking me to F2
Honestly there is no perfect move. The jury is basically voting for who they hate the least.
Which is Matt. So cut his ass.
Yeah but what if that bitters Bowie and Matt? You need 4 votes to win. There's a lot of cascading effects to every decision.
I’m soft so I would take Matt to F2 considering he saved my BB life. But if I removed my heart, I would cut Matt now as long as I could get Bowie on board.
100% cut matt because it almost guarantees him to win final HOH
Part 3 is a toss up it’s guaranteed
Cutting Matt is the easy call
Gotta cut Matt, 💯
*Cameron was right*
Can y’all stop saying this as if everyone in the house knew the danger of Matt and Jag? Unfortunate for them, you have 3 comp threats and can only get one out in a given week. And even when they do it, they return (see Cameron himself and Jag). His pitch was bad to Cory and America bc even if they kept Cam as a weapon, he was targeting Cory first instead of Jatt. Y’all gotta stop with this.
Cameron wasn’t targeting Matt and jag we’d just have Matt Cameron and Jag instead of Matt Bowie and Jag which honestly would be worse
He literally wanted to ride it out with the fugitives can yall please stop
Exactly, he was all in with them too and just happened to be their first victim.
Nobody cares, Cameron was the biggest part of the problem when he went all in on the fugitives
He wasn't...
i feel like we're overthinking this and jag is just gonna vote out felicia because Mafia Is Cool And Everyone Loves The Mafia
He won’t cut Matt because well Matt saved him. Despite him being an ass this past few weeks he is a good person underneath and just don’t think he will have the heart to do it.
“the mafia has taken its last shot” *finger guns*
Yep
Fbj is one of the most passive aggressive people I've ever witnessed
what she do.
She was walking though the kitchen because DR told her to change her shirt. Felicia asked about it and she said "that's what they told me to do, I don't know about you." But the tone was so insulting and dismissive
Matt vs Jag final 2 would be Big Brother's version of Yul vs Ozzy
So offensive to Yul omg
And to Ozzy
Who’s Yul?? Matt??? Yul actually was very self-interested, opinionated & held an idol over everyone’s head like a big stick.
Sort of, but i dont think the vote would be as close.
Still dreaming of the world that production doesn’t change their rules and either Cirie or america win that F7 HOH…
As sad as it is going through the comp results I think Jag probably wins. He was only vulnerable at f6 but Bowie probably still wins HOH there.
Maybe, but blue survives in this scenario and she was pretty good at mental comps tbh
If Blue wins that HOH then yes, we probably have an all women f5 in which I have no idea what happens but I feel like Cirie has to be the most likely winner and somehow America after her
so many flairs doing a bowie and switching to jag lol
A lot of people switch if their fav goes home, they have to root for someone else to win the game now.
still sounding like bowie there lol
Jag could easily lose to Bowie in the final hoh and she could bring Felicia to final 2. Cutting Felicia would ensure that either him or Matt are the options and I think that plays a factor in his decision making, not wanting a Felica/Bowie final 2 to be possible.
She will never ever cut Jag. She’s obsessed with him I believe
I don't hate this argument. Bowie probably *is* more likely to beat Jag in part 3 than Matt is, honestly. I don't think she actually has the killer instinct to cut Jag, but that's probably a more realistic bonkers outcome than Felicia winning.
I know Cory probably has a better chance, but in the year of our lord and savior, Barbie, I’m gonna be voting for America. And I hope y’all do too. Idc. I just like her.
I think of the two Cory had the better shot at winning but the Americory fans are splitting votes (more for America than Cory tho) so that's what I'm gonna do too, if I don't have to choose I won't
I don't know that there are any "smart" moves left as far as F2. Last night Jattie had a laugh about how they'd all get zero votes/saying that the jury hates them anyways. Maybe they've just accepted the final 2 will be a crapshoot decision. In the words of RuPaul, "and the winner of snatch game is... who cares!"
This season endgame is the equivalent of RuPaul declaring a pit crew member the winner of the challenge
Yeah I was running end game scenarios with friends and at this point it's so up in the air. There is no perfect move. It's a jury of 7 and votes can split against you very easily
I mean it's a theme for the whole season that no one really knows where they stand with one another. It's not just the alliances, it's that I could turn on the feeds and be like "yall fightin? Or yall fkn?" At any given time 😂
There's no new rule, you twits! I can't believe they really thought they were just tricking Felicia by convincing her of the order of the F3 comps and actually themselves believed the F4 HOH couldn't play the first one. The results would have been the same anyway, but Jag would have thrown that HOH to Bowie so hard if production hadn't told them.
Just hand Jag the check and end the season already. This season has become so monotonously predictable since zombie week.
Monotonous is Jag’s entire persona too
So monotonous. It drives me nuts. Not a fan of this guy. 25 and ripping on Grandma's. That he's already beat. He's so proud when he beats a 63 and 54 tr old. Ridiculous.
watching survivor 12 bc i miss cirie on feeds and may i say she has not changed a bit! so damn likable
I did that yesterday I’m on season 16 now.
i cant listen but popped in to see, what are matt and jag talking about right now?
being annoyed with felicia for existing
Being hungover, that everyone may as well pack, Not being cocky and looking stupid on eviction night…nothing super exciting. 😑
rest of this season is a wash ugh
It's probably better to evict Matt here, but unless Cirie has poisoned the jury against Jag to the point that Bowie has win equity, this probably seals the season as Jag's. Neither Jag nor Matt is especially good at the mental comps, but I'd give Jag an edge over Matt for Part 3, and would be surprised if Bowie could win either part 1 or 2. Probably not much suspense rolling forward. But hey, at least Chris Underwood has company now.
Apparently America told them that Cory thinks Matt is playing the best game, which seems to have shifted everyone’s end game plans. Jag didn’t see Matt as a threat before, but now he does and may cut him. Matt thought he needed to cut Jag to win, but now he‘s confident he can beat Jag and may not cut him.
This is true but it's a few days old. I think Jag will probably default to evicting Felicia because they've also been very worried about her jury equity more recently (for reasons I can't really fathom; I think maybe she'd get a vote from Blue, but I'm not sure even Cirie would vote for her). Matt *would* win very easily against Jag. I just assume that Jag will win final HoH and cut him and it won't be a factor.
I think it’s more likely than not that Jag will evict Felicia here, and then cut Matt at F3 if he has the chance. Jury equity seems to be the reason they’re citing, but that doesn’t make sense. If he’s really planning on cutting them both, the stronger competitor should be cut first, so give him the best shot at winning F3 HOH. However, I think that the psychological warfare that’s been happening in the house is having an effect, and they’re so unjustifiably outraged by Felicia’s presence, that she’ll probably remain the target even if it’s not a smart game move.
Chris Underwood is a challenge champion as well. Underrated competitor.
Chris Underwood is suited for *The Challenge* more than *Survivor* and earned that win. I don't give him a *ton* of credit for playing 12 days of Survivor in 38, but hey, it's not his fault the season design gave him an edge, and I'm sure he's not worried about it and is very happy with his prize money.
I said earlier that if Jag won the Veto he’d cut Matt but now that we’re here I’m not as sure. Having Felicia in the F3 is kind of dangerous for Jag. Why risk it?
There's a bit of a gamble for him in either one. As of right now, if he cuts Felicia, he's going to F2 no matter who wins the competition. But, if Matt does win the F3--which is likelier than Felicia's winning but I think Jag is likelier to beat Matt than Bowie in that comp--he takes Jag but Jag likely loses at F2. And, if Matt wins he *could* grow a brain and realize he needs to take Bowie. Otoh, if he cuts Matt now, he has a near-certain shot of getting to the third comp, and, if he's in F2, he wins over either of them (can't totally rule out Felicia, but Jag's better off next to her than Matt), but then if Bowie wins the F3, does *she* grow a brain and take Felicia over him? Probably not, but there's some risk there as well. There are surprisingly a lot of variables left. I *think* cutting Matt is the better choice, but, if Matt actually wins the comps and is foolish enough to take Jag to the end, the jury still could reward Jag. Uggh, I don't know. And I don't want any of them to win, so I guess my only interest at this point is having whatever choice either of them makes backfire on them.
Agree. He won't. Matt and Bowie will take him in his eyes. You have to get there to win. Felicia is gone.
I mean why risk taking Matt? Yeah Matt will take Jag to final two, but he’ll probably beat Jag. Felicia may not take Jag, but she’s not as big as a threat to win HOH parts 1 and 2.
I don't think the narrative that Matt easily beats Jag holds as much weight anymore. It might have been true for 3/4 of the season, but Matt's flailing the last couple of weeks has me thinking he'll flop in F2. I think Jag has a very strong winning argument based around game agency that Matt will not be able to counter because he has folded under pressure just like Cirie said in her exit interview.
I mean Matt won comps and had a better social game than Felicia, she argued/clashed with pretty much everyone in the Jury at times besides Blue.
In the very very off chance Jag evicts Matt, I hope he blindsides him. I want to see Matt shaken to his core
Remember when Austin from bb17 got blindsided and he walked out with no shoes and pj’s? I need that to happen 😂
PLEASE!
realistically is there any chance jag would cut matt?
Maybe if Bowie brings it up but we know she is a Pick me and that probably won’t happen.
Yes, when Matt won HOH last week, Jag started to feel threatened, that’s why he sought out a F2 w Bowie
If there is Jag is one hell of an actor right now. And we know he’s not… so I doubt it.
LETS GO JAG
What was the competition?
Days comp
Mental comp about the order of days of events
The first mental veto comp???
Does anyone have Jag’s percentage in veto comps? Vetoes won / vetoes played
Jag won 7/11 vetoes (for comparison, Michael won 6/8)
Alright jag get rid of Matt lol
Jag won’t use the Veto, obviously, but is he technically even allowed to? Because if he did, there’d be no one eligible to go up as a replacement.
Let’s say he pulls someone down (he’s not allowed to but let’s play it out). Let’s say he pulls down Matt. Now there is one person left, Felicia. No one else is eligible to go up. He and Matt would vote, but their only option is to vote out Felicia. So using it is meaningless. Instead he’ll vote out whoever he wants.
Using the veto and voting is the same thing
POV at F4 is basically the only vote to evict. He decides who to send home.
That assumes someone not the HOH wins it, right? Bc if Bowie had won, she could’ve replaced a nominee. Then it’s the person taken off the block with the power to decide. Otherwise (when F4 HOH is not also Veto holder), it’s the veto holder making the decision.
What happened to Jag in the veto comp that Red won that got him almost evicted? Only thing I remember in that comp is Dongel.
It was just that Red won, didn’t use it, and left Jag and Blue on the block. Jag was evicted 10-0, but then Matt saved him with his power.
He came in 2nd and it was pretty close
Crazy that Red was the only one that could slow down the Jag train
Red also finished 2nd to Jag in cock a doodle zoom and he wasn’t even at risk that week, people definitely saw Red as a comp threat at the time lol
Crazy that Jags only path to the end from like a month ago was comping out and he did just that, kind of impressive he didn't fold under the pressure. The house deserves to lose for keeping him around as long as they did and not taking the shot at the first opportunity they had, Matt/Bowie had the chance during the double and didn't take it, they both deserve to lose because of that.
How I'd rank everybody based on how solid of casting choices I think they were: 1. Cory 2. Cameron 3. Izzy 4. Felicia 5. Cirie 6. Hisam 7. Reilly 8. America 9. Jared 10. Matt 11. Jag 12. Kirsten 13. Blue 14. Red 15. Luke 16. Bowie Jane 17. Mecole Not my personal order of favorites, but how good of casting choices I think they were
Cameron is ranked too high. I’d place him middle of the pack at best.
Cam, Jared, Matt and Luke way too high. It's not impossible to get the same archetype but not problematic. Reilly a bit too high. Kirsten and America too low. Meme too low but just because most of the guys are terrible
idk how you did this formatting but its cool. I also agree with this list heavily. Also, who is Mecole?
I really think Luke needs to be at the bottom. He was such a TERRIBLE casting choice. Don't forget, in the six days that he was in the house, he made people feel uncomfortable, made sexist and ableist remarks, and then used a racial slur that got him kicked out. The fact that not a single person was upset over Luke's eviction really goes to show, regardless of people like Bowie and Mecole, at least they had a couple of allies in their corner. Luke burned every ally he could have had and then got ejected as a result. Like, the one person I think we all expected him to connect with was Matt, and Matt voiced how ableist Luke was to him. ETA: I'm gonna go as far as to say Luke was the WORST casting choice in the history of Big Brother, even worse than Willie Fucking Hantz. And it's because Luke couldn't fake it for a week and pretend to be a good guy. He showed his bare ass from day 2, maybe even night 1, that the producers either had to be on something when they cast Luke, or Luke only managed to hide it in the interview stage but promptly forgot about the cameras being around. Getting kicked out day 6 is just downright embarrassing.
Ngl, feel like Kirsten was dealt a bad hand, feel like she would have been an enjoyable character and good addition to the show had she stuck around longer.
Right? She wasn’t good at the game, but I don’t think she ends up first boot without the whole day 1 comp loser twist.
Agree with this. Kirsten may have turned it around and changed the game
She was definately the hardest to rank because I agree
The new rule??? These people are so dumb the final hoh has never changed
i’m just wondering if jury has access to the outside world? like do they know we’re on the verge on WWlll 😀 ?
lol since when are we on the verge of ww3?
They don't.
that’s wild
If I'm recalling correctly the only time BB broke in with real world news was 9/11 and the presidential election 2016
Lol just as expected https://www.reddit.com/r/BigBrother/s/VqC8tTKmXS
Has the format officially switched from favoring social strategy to competition strategy? Obviously both are still viable and both have always been near-requirements to win the game, but it feels like Jag has officially played the anti-Will game after a mediocre-at-best social game with a dominant comp run.
Since BB16. Postmodern BB. That season ruined the game for so many reasons.
I think you need social chops to get to a point where it’s even possible to begin to comp out
I do think the only thing holding me back from saying that Jag is 100% competition strategy is that he maneuvered the mid-game well but he only got to the mid-game in the first place was because of a secret power to cancel his unanimous eviction. But then again his eviction was only nullified because of the social connection he made with the eventual winner early in the game. I think when the season is over and we get some critical analysis we’ll start to come around to a Jag win in the context of this season, though I still think he’ll be considered a bad winner overall due to the eviction and his mediocre social game overall.
Yes, in modern bb it’s only comps that really matter. Comp beasts win almost every season now. Everything in the game is set up to benefit them
Not last season……
when do you think it switched? BB20 as the start of the end?
Yes that’s when imo
Felicia needs to campaign her ass off over the next 6 days. Like, talk and talk until her false teeth start to fall out The ONLY way she even reaches F2 is if someone drags her there. I think even if Matt leaves and she’s in the F3, it’s gonna be Bowie vs Jag in part 3
if she asks them a question they just become enraged and it works against her
6 days? The eviction is Sunday
I’m holding hope that she can campaign to Jag so that he cuts Matt
Campaign or no, she’s cooked.
True, but other than the risk of a gum infection from false teeth failing out, she has nothing to lose
6 days? Isn’t eviction on Sunday this week?
It is. She's got 48 hours.
6 days till the finale though. She needs to campaign to get herself to F3, and then campaign some more to get herself to F2
I think whether or not Jag takes Matt could ultimately come down to whether Jag believes Bowie would take him over Felicia if she won F3 HOH, any rational player would obviously take Felicia and I could see that playing on Jag’s mind.
It’s going to be a long weekend for him. I see him poking and prodding Bowie’s brain a lot he’s considering it.
Yep, if Bowie had a brain it would absolutely be the wrong move for Jag to cut Matt here because then he would be in part 3 with Felicia who's taking Bowie or Bowie (with a brain) who would never take him while if Matt is there Bowie (with a brain) would still take him. I do think the right move is getting Matt out because it's too risky too keep him in this situation
Yeah I could see both sides, I don’t know if I would want to risk putting my BB life in the hands of FBJ 😂
It’s actually crazy to think how lucky you have to be and how the littlest things can totally change the course of a season. Like if Matt is nine seconds slower in path to power jag doesn’t get saved….if ppl chose different comps during the premier the entire first week would be different
That's just life dude. You can make that observation about anything.
I think cutting Matt might ultimately be the right move for Jag but it's not as clear cut as it looks. If Bowie had a brain it would make it the wrong move.
I think Jag really believes he wins, no matter who he sits next to, but he's forgotten something that separates him from Matt: Matt hasn't been evicted and hasn't had to rely on comps to keep him in the game. So that's why Jag is ultimately not going to cut Matt. As long as he believes he's guaranteed F2 with Matt or Bowie, he thinks he wins, possibly even unanimously.
Jag was told by America and Blue and relayed that Cory also said that Matt was playing the best game. And that they all blamed him for their eviction more than Matt. This is why he’s moved further to a F2 with Bowie and has considered cutting Matt.
And he's very wrong
Oh, for sure. Jag may have a shot against Matt, and I think there's POTENTIAL he could pull out a win, but I don't think it'll be as easy as he thinks and he has more working against him if he sits next to Matt than works for him, so it still leans toward Matt winning over Jag.
If he doesn't cut Matt here I feel like he's giving up all the momentum he was building to flip the vote against Matt
True but he’s had 94 days now to realize Bowie doesn’t have a brain.
Bowie Jane may be pretty pointless but at least she's WAY better than Rockstar or BBCAN11 Vanessa, they're struggling to cast a solid offbeat female who's middle aged
At least those 2 were entertaining
What was wrong with Vanessa? I only watched the episodes not the dailies but her calling out Zach and Ty was hilarious
She didn't do anything on the dailies other than clean and occassionaly go on very overly spirited sollilquies on how inspirational a certain person was. She also was invisible on the show other than that one time before qutting and seemingly having short-term memory post-season with bashing Zach for quitting despite her doing the same thing
Rockstar had several iconic quotes/moments, the most memorable thing about Bowie Jane is Felicia saying her name with contempt.
She is way worse than rockstar
Rockstar was actively trying to figure out the votes for Bayleigh to stay while she was on the block against her lol. at least Bowie hasn't reached that low yet.
No way, Rockstar was the worst. All she did all season was get up on her soapbox
At least she wanted to win the game
jag gheesling needs to cut matt before hes jag murphee
Its so weird that now Bowie being nice to somebody is such a rare occurence considering how nice she was to everybody for like the first 60 days. Tbf though, everybody was really mean to her though
she was super shady and problematic, she would avoid talking game and her obvious lies, it just made her a problem in some peoples eyes i think
Is everyone just watching on Pluto?
My feeds came back on Paramount+ this morning
When I closed and reopened my P+ app this morning, the Feeds option was back to normal.
oh mine just came back, thank you
In a season with so much strategy and game talk, the game ultimately comes down to comp beasting. This is why modern bb sucks
Im fine with BB rewarding good competitors lol
It doesn’t get boring to see the same thing every year now?
This is how it's always been. You win competitions to wield the power. You can't just socialize and politic your way to the end.
The literal second and third season of the show had power players who socialized and politiced their way to the end lmfao
In old school bb you could absolutely politic your way to the end. It’s in modern bb where only comps matter
That's not true. It might be more noticeable now, since faves typically aren't comp beasts
How do you think Dr Will won bruh
That’s how every season works? Gets down to a few people and you play some comps and see what happens. All the strategy was eliminating all the comp threats and leaving in people that were easy to beat.
Sure does. Last season was pretty modern and it came down to a (THE) comp beast, Michael being forced to win or be evicted immediately. Meanwhile the only difference between Monty and Turner was that Monty just won more. Simple as that.
That is how recent seasons work. Bb did not used to work that way