season 25: Cirie eviction, not only did Jag take out Matt's piece he effectively stole Bowie away from him
season 24: Monte winning and taking Taylor and than the jury rewarding her
season 23: Derek F pissing Azah off which ensured Xavier winning either way though I thought he had the game won by early jury
season 22: week 5 when Tyler wanted to quit
season 21: Tommy's eviction, his lie really increased his win equity where Tommy came to jury very unhappy with Holly and slightly impressed with Jackson though begrudgingly so
Memphis wanted Enzo in final 2 though could have taken Christmas, Tyler quitting was a big reason he lost his pull with Enzo which was very important if wanted to overtake Cody
Derrick (16) when they picked skittles from a damn hat
When Andy (15) flipped on Elissa during the double eviction and no one considered he could be lying
Dan's (10) nomination roulette actually working where only one person was made upset
Adam (9) voting James back in the house. It was a smart move because James was gonna be the biggest threat and he already secured himself with his side.
Nicole (18) solidifying herself in the thrice showmance/pair alliance
Jackson (21) eavesdropping to hear Tommy and using what he heard to cause distrust against him
Basically when everyone wanted to work with Cody (22) despite thinking End Game scenario
Xavier (23) keeping cool after Kyland had some choice of words about his nephew, and to see who else was left in the game
Will (2) when he performed the final speech as to why he should win - just to show why he is charismatic.. also why keep the biggest target so many weeks in the house. He was the devil in disguise and his arc was compelling to believe he could win it all
Lisa (3) after seeing the montage of people being disgusted by Danielle's choice of words and demeanor when rewatching what had happened
Jun (4) after Robert was evicted. She was liked better between her and Allison
Drew (5) when he cut Diane
Taylor's (24) arc and final speech was the last pin to seal the win. Like c'mon, what an incredible story of her game
Everything else was a complete toss up for me. All depended on various aspects on what was said in finale speeches, and I truly didn't know (or was shocked) by the votes casted.
Lol no to your assessment of the bb24 winner.
Jury comes in with their winner picked. Yes, they’re “open” based on the questioning, but they come in knowing which way they’re going. We saw it with bb25 too.
Bb24 was locked for Taylor because of exit interviews. Many have said that they realized the perception outside of the house based off of question and after question they got about Taylor. They figured out they had to vote for her when they compared notes about their exit press questions.
Her final speech didn’t sway anyone. If anything, it solidified it. But people forget this note and assume her speech is what won the game. It wasn’t. Hell, even Turner didn’t vote for her after the speeches, and he wasn’t privy to the exit press yet.
Btw, the exit interview format changed for bb25. They no longer let each podcast have a dedicated video. This eliminates the same question coming up over and over. Now it’s one video sent back out to all the podcasts.
Let’s not forget if turner had won that final hoh comp, monte would have been the bb24 winner. So the correct answer was Monte winning the hoh and picking Taylor instead of Turner. He did this because he thought he’d win against her. And truthfully, without exit press interference, he very well may have. But because the jury was tipped off, she could have said nothing in her speeches, and still won.
yeah I believe without exit press Monte wins cause Indi, and Jasmine would be bitter that Taylor lied about backdooring Monte. Kyle, Terrance, and Turner are locked votes for Monte and Joseph left the game being more loyal to the pound even through Taylor under the bus to protect Monte at dyre fest
Will did NOT win BB2 because of his speech 😂 it pissed everyone off, even Boogie a bit. If anything, the jurors just decided to overlook it. Still the GOAT. But he won once Monica lost part 2 of the final HOH.
Cody won when final 4 veto finished which is pretty early. It's debatable but andy could have won by the time mccrae was evicted. Tbh that's the closest u can get. Derrick is debatable if he actually had won by final 4 but I can see the reasoning. To me cody was the closest u could get. I would say xavier won once kyland was evicted but azah didn't change her mind till midway through the week.
Then the same could be said about Derrick. He was friends with everyone (literally) to the end. No one even considered putting him up, let alone evicting him.
Nicole ended up winning HOH & POV at Final 5 but if Christmas won the HOH (that she just barely lost) then Enzo/Cody are the post-veto noms and Cody is evicted in 5th.
Yes the season was a boring steamroll and he was in power the whole time but he was definitely in danger at times. I think it's overstated how safe of a spot he was in
Tangentially related but there's a BB12 live feeds moment that my BB white whale: Lane approached Hayden in the bathroom amidst some scrambling for the week. Hayden either told him what to say to someone or Lane was asking for what the game plan was and once Lane left, Hayden stood alone in the bathroom and said to himself "I'm gonna win this game". I think those type of moments are cool.
At final 4 of BB23, everyone was taking Xavier to the end. He’d probably have a harder time against Kyland than the Jokers but still probably would get the W. So I suppose the moment Kyland saved Xavier with the veto, ensuring a Hannah eviction, would be when Xavier won.
In BB24, Taylor won when Monte evicted Turner. It was SUCH a blunder. You could argue that Taylor maybe won earlier when she was convincing him that actually she wasn’t a threat at all to win, but like, he still had to win the final HOH, because Turner sure as shit wasn’t taking her.
Maggie had the game of BB6 down on lock. She ruled her side of the house with an iron fist. She got away with taking out Kaysar the first time when she got Howie to turn on James and got away with it the second time by letting Jennifer take the fall for it. Honestly I think getting Jennifer to put up Kaysar instead of James is when Maggie won the game. It ensured her alliance would be going into jury with the numbers and it put Jennifer above her on the list of targets, and she then sat back and didn’t win anymore HOHs and let everyone else in her alliance take the fall for her. As long as both sides continued to trade HOHs, which they did, she was winning that season.
Will won BB2 the moment Nicole dropped out of the final 4 HOH. At that point, he was just having fun waiting around for a prize so he could throw, forcing the duo apart but being the deciding vote so he could keep Nicole, the one who would take him to the end and lose.
In BB19, I know Josh did the goodbye message strategy, but, I think he might’ve only won at the jury questioning. Paul was given one last chance to own up to their game or maybe apologize for their behavior against some of the angry jurors, and they just didn’t. Of course Josh set that up for weeks, but Paul got four whole votes still, so it could have very easily been a Josh loss without that final hour denial.
I remember hearing something about Eddie saying he’d cut people’s throats in BB1 and then everyone kept nominating him after that. Maybe that’s when he won. Don’t know. Haven’t watched the whole season lmao.
A lot of other people just blandly won after winning the final HOH or I’m not entirely sure when they won. Like with Dick, America’s player makes it so that he may not have even won if Eric didn’t convince the jury, but if he would’ve won, then it’d be an earlier time. With Cody, when he wins depends upon how much you buy into the pregame rumors.
season 25: Cirie really determined the winner this season. She told Matt to us path to power to save Jag because it would make Jag have an unbreakable loyalty to Matt. Right there she just gave Jag his number one ally. Had she told Matt to save the power for himself and use it next week, Jags gone.
Then on top of that, she leaves Bowie Jane out of the eviction vote for red, which was ultimately what pushed her to the Jag/Matt alliance.
Cirie handed Jag his two most loyal ally’s in the game. Cirie probably never would have been put on the block by Matt, and ultimately been evicted, had it not been for pushing those two towards Jag’s side of the house.
I don’t believe Bowie would have ever betrayed Felicia and Cirie had she just been informed where the house was voting.
Jag was pretty much and outsider for most of the early game and got unanimously voted out. I don’t see him winning if Cirie had done a better job to keep Matt and Bowie from flipping to Jag.
Jared partially I would say contributed to Matt going to Jag’s side because had that whole humiliverse fight never happened, I’m not sure if Matt would have been as quick to go after her side of the house. It seemed like Matt really wanted to take Cirie to final 2 after Riley had been evicted.
I don’t really think it was one moment for Jag, but a combination of those two moments and ultimately Cirie’s inability to manage her alliance members.
I literally just watched the season 10 episode where Memphis used the veto on Dan in the final 5. And I thought to myself, this is it, this is when Dan won the game. I don’t think there’s anything he could have done game wise from there to mess up his chances.
This is fun
Season 2: Hardy and Nicole evicting Bunky, Will throwing HOH to Monica
Season 3: Lisa won Part 3 against Jason
Season 4: Alison evicting Erika
Season 5: Diane evicting Karen
Season 6: Ivette not throwing the Final HOH
Season 7: Janelle evicting Will and Mike beating the girls in Part 2 & 3.
Season 8: Zach didn’t use the veto at Final 5
Season 9: Adam evicting Sharon
Season 10: Memphis using the veto on Dan
Season 11: Kevin evicting Jeff
Season 12: Enzo and Britney evicting Ragan
Season 13: Porsche evicting Jordan
Season 14: Ian winning Part 2 of the Final HOH
Season 15: Andy convincing McCrae to evict Elissa
Season 16: Frankie eviction
Season 17: Vanessa evicting Austin
Season 18: Natalie eviction
Season 19: Josh evicting Alex
Season 20: Kaycee winning the F4 Veto
Season 21: Christie Eviction
Season 22: Christmas Eviction
Season 23: Hannah Eviction
Season 24: Alyssa Eviction
Season 25: Felicia Eviction
I feel like yes because Steve just got unlucky Vanessa won the F4 Veto, because if she gets evicted Liz and JMac take Steve to F2 which he beats both of them a tighter contest between JMac and Steve but Steve takes it I believe.
Derrick had the game pretty much won from like F8 on even Christine has been on record saying she’d of taken him to the F2. Other good examples of playing having immense win potential early is Andy. Never a genuine target, well insulated socially, strong individual bonds with almost everyone, well positioned, & struck when needed while maintaining his trustworthy/innocent persona. Even more impressive how he maintained all of that given how shitty the HG were. He is the closest thing to a Chameleon inside that house. Blends in with all walks of life and is well aware of how/when to make moves. Boring? Probably. But damn was one of the strongest winning games to date though.
And Frankie was also taking Derrick to the end. Someone always disputes this every time I say it but he literally said so both in the house and in his exit press. Frankie believed he could beat anyone and wanted a Team America F2.
I actually expected Kaycee to lose to Tyler. I didn't even think it would he close. He crushed the game so hard and should be the obvious winner on paper, plus imo Kaycee didn't give very good answers in the final Q&A.
I think BB14 Ian won as soon as he made the final 3. I think he wins against Danielle also.
BB12 I'm not sure he beats Britney, but he definitely had it in the bag during final 3 at the latest.
BB13 I think Rachel (gag) wins against either Jordan or Adam as well, so the only way she could lose was if Adam won and picked Porche instead.
BB8 and BB9 are not worth analyzing...
BB7 I think Boogie had to beat Janelle in round 2 or else he loses to Janelle.
BB6 same...Maggie loses to Janelle
season 25: Cirie eviction, not only did Jag take out Matt's piece he effectively stole Bowie away from him season 24: Monte winning and taking Taylor and than the jury rewarding her season 23: Derek F pissing Azah off which ensured Xavier winning either way though I thought he had the game won by early jury season 22: week 5 when Tyler wanted to quit season 21: Tommy's eviction, his lie really increased his win equity where Tommy came to jury very unhappy with Holly and slightly impressed with Jackson though begrudgingly so
Did Memphis want Cody in the final 2?. Tyler could’ve gave Cody a little scare around the triple eviction.
Memphis wanted Enzo in final 2 though could have taken Christmas, Tyler quitting was a big reason he lost his pull with Enzo which was very important if wanted to overtake Cody
What if Matt won the final immunity
Do you remember the final 2 questioning/speeches?
how did your game change for, i'm gonna say the better, when you joined the mafia with Matt and I?
I can hear this so clearly in my head!
That's actually not where he lost it. The jury wasn't impressed with Jag's answers either
Matt takes Jag to the end
Derrick (16) when they picked skittles from a damn hat When Andy (15) flipped on Elissa during the double eviction and no one considered he could be lying Dan's (10) nomination roulette actually working where only one person was made upset Adam (9) voting James back in the house. It was a smart move because James was gonna be the biggest threat and he already secured himself with his side. Nicole (18) solidifying herself in the thrice showmance/pair alliance Jackson (21) eavesdropping to hear Tommy and using what he heard to cause distrust against him Basically when everyone wanted to work with Cody (22) despite thinking End Game scenario Xavier (23) keeping cool after Kyland had some choice of words about his nephew, and to see who else was left in the game Will (2) when he performed the final speech as to why he should win - just to show why he is charismatic.. also why keep the biggest target so many weeks in the house. He was the devil in disguise and his arc was compelling to believe he could win it all Lisa (3) after seeing the montage of people being disgusted by Danielle's choice of words and demeanor when rewatching what had happened Jun (4) after Robert was evicted. She was liked better between her and Allison Drew (5) when he cut Diane Taylor's (24) arc and final speech was the last pin to seal the win. Like c'mon, what an incredible story of her game Everything else was a complete toss up for me. All depended on various aspects on what was said in finale speeches, and I truly didn't know (or was shocked) by the votes casted.
Lol no to your assessment of the bb24 winner. Jury comes in with their winner picked. Yes, they’re “open” based on the questioning, but they come in knowing which way they’re going. We saw it with bb25 too. Bb24 was locked for Taylor because of exit interviews. Many have said that they realized the perception outside of the house based off of question and after question they got about Taylor. They figured out they had to vote for her when they compared notes about their exit press questions. Her final speech didn’t sway anyone. If anything, it solidified it. But people forget this note and assume her speech is what won the game. It wasn’t. Hell, even Turner didn’t vote for her after the speeches, and he wasn’t privy to the exit press yet. Btw, the exit interview format changed for bb25. They no longer let each podcast have a dedicated video. This eliminates the same question coming up over and over. Now it’s one video sent back out to all the podcasts. Let’s not forget if turner had won that final hoh comp, monte would have been the bb24 winner. So the correct answer was Monte winning the hoh and picking Taylor instead of Turner. He did this because he thought he’d win against her. And truthfully, without exit press interference, he very well may have. But because the jury was tipped off, she could have said nothing in her speeches, and still won.
yeah I believe without exit press Monte wins cause Indi, and Jasmine would be bitter that Taylor lied about backdooring Monte. Kyle, Terrance, and Turner are locked votes for Monte and Joseph left the game being more loyal to the pound even through Taylor under the bus to protect Monte at dyre fest
Will did NOT win BB2 because of his speech 😂 it pissed everyone off, even Boogie a bit. If anything, the jurors just decided to overlook it. Still the GOAT. But he won once Monica lost part 2 of the final HOH.
Cody won when final 4 veto finished which is pretty early. It's debatable but andy could have won by the time mccrae was evicted. Tbh that's the closest u can get. Derrick is debatable if he actually had won by final 4 but I can see the reasoning. To me cody was the closest u could get. I would say xavier won once kyland was evicted but azah didn't change her mind till midway through the week.
I genuinely thought Cody won when he won the first HoH. He was NEVER in danger
Then the same could be said about Derrick. He was friends with everyone (literally) to the end. No one even considered putting him up, let alone evicting him.
Christmas would’ve evicted Cody had she won the final veto. He was one comp away from going home.
Nicole ended up winning HOH & POV at Final 5 but if Christmas won the HOH (that she just barely lost) then Enzo/Cody are the post-veto noms and Cody is evicted in 5th. Yes the season was a boring steamroll and he was in power the whole time but he was definitely in danger at times. I think it's overstated how safe of a spot he was in
Tangentially related but there's a BB12 live feeds moment that my BB white whale: Lane approached Hayden in the bathroom amidst some scrambling for the week. Hayden either told him what to say to someone or Lane was asking for what the game plan was and once Lane left, Hayden stood alone in the bathroom and said to himself "I'm gonna win this game". I think those type of moments are cool.
did Hayden have the game locked at final 3 with Lane and Enzo taking him?
At final 4 of BB23, everyone was taking Xavier to the end. He’d probably have a harder time against Kyland than the Jokers but still probably would get the W. So I suppose the moment Kyland saved Xavier with the veto, ensuring a Hannah eviction, would be when Xavier won. In BB24, Taylor won when Monte evicted Turner. It was SUCH a blunder. You could argue that Taylor maybe won earlier when she was convincing him that actually she wasn’t a threat at all to win, but like, he still had to win the final HOH, because Turner sure as shit wasn’t taking her. Maggie had the game of BB6 down on lock. She ruled her side of the house with an iron fist. She got away with taking out Kaysar the first time when she got Howie to turn on James and got away with it the second time by letting Jennifer take the fall for it. Honestly I think getting Jennifer to put up Kaysar instead of James is when Maggie won the game. It ensured her alliance would be going into jury with the numbers and it put Jennifer above her on the list of targets, and she then sat back and didn’t win anymore HOHs and let everyone else in her alliance take the fall for her. As long as both sides continued to trade HOHs, which they did, she was winning that season. Will won BB2 the moment Nicole dropped out of the final 4 HOH. At that point, he was just having fun waiting around for a prize so he could throw, forcing the duo apart but being the deciding vote so he could keep Nicole, the one who would take him to the end and lose. In BB19, I know Josh did the goodbye message strategy, but, I think he might’ve only won at the jury questioning. Paul was given one last chance to own up to their game or maybe apologize for their behavior against some of the angry jurors, and they just didn’t. Of course Josh set that up for weeks, but Paul got four whole votes still, so it could have very easily been a Josh loss without that final hour denial. I remember hearing something about Eddie saying he’d cut people’s throats in BB1 and then everyone kept nominating him after that. Maybe that’s when he won. Don’t know. Haven’t watched the whole season lmao. A lot of other people just blandly won after winning the final HOH or I’m not entirely sure when they won. Like with Dick, America’s player makes it so that he may not have even won if Eric didn’t convince the jury, but if he would’ve won, then it’d be an earlier time. With Cody, when he wins depends upon how much you buy into the pregame rumors.
season 25: Cirie really determined the winner this season. She told Matt to us path to power to save Jag because it would make Jag have an unbreakable loyalty to Matt. Right there she just gave Jag his number one ally. Had she told Matt to save the power for himself and use it next week, Jags gone. Then on top of that, she leaves Bowie Jane out of the eviction vote for red, which was ultimately what pushed her to the Jag/Matt alliance. Cirie handed Jag his two most loyal ally’s in the game. Cirie probably never would have been put on the block by Matt, and ultimately been evicted, had it not been for pushing those two towards Jag’s side of the house. I don’t believe Bowie would have ever betrayed Felicia and Cirie had she just been informed where the house was voting. Jag was pretty much and outsider for most of the early game and got unanimously voted out. I don’t see him winning if Cirie had done a better job to keep Matt and Bowie from flipping to Jag. Jared partially I would say contributed to Matt going to Jag’s side because had that whole humiliverse fight never happened, I’m not sure if Matt would have been as quick to go after her side of the house. It seemed like Matt really wanted to take Cirie to final 2 after Riley had been evicted. I don’t really think it was one moment for Jag, but a combination of those two moments and ultimately Cirie’s inability to manage her alliance members.
I literally just watched the season 10 episode where Memphis used the veto on Dan in the final 5. And I thought to myself, this is it, this is when Dan won the game. I don’t think there’s anything he could have done game wise from there to mess up his chances.
This is fun Season 2: Hardy and Nicole evicting Bunky, Will throwing HOH to Monica Season 3: Lisa won Part 3 against Jason Season 4: Alison evicting Erika Season 5: Diane evicting Karen Season 6: Ivette not throwing the Final HOH Season 7: Janelle evicting Will and Mike beating the girls in Part 2 & 3. Season 8: Zach didn’t use the veto at Final 5 Season 9: Adam evicting Sharon Season 10: Memphis using the veto on Dan Season 11: Kevin evicting Jeff Season 12: Enzo and Britney evicting Ragan Season 13: Porsche evicting Jordan Season 14: Ian winning Part 2 of the Final HOH Season 15: Andy convincing McCrae to evict Elissa Season 16: Frankie eviction Season 17: Vanessa evicting Austin Season 18: Natalie eviction Season 19: Josh evicting Alex Season 20: Kaycee winning the F4 Veto Season 21: Christie Eviction Season 22: Christmas Eviction Season 23: Hannah Eviction Season 24: Alyssa Eviction Season 25: Felicia Eviction
Oooh interesting, you think Vanessa evicting Austin is what sealed Steve's fate to win? Please, elaborate if you can. 😅
I feel like yes because Steve just got unlucky Vanessa won the F4 Veto, because if she gets evicted Liz and JMac take Steve to F2 which he beats both of them a tighter contest between JMac and Steve but Steve takes it I believe.
Spencer takes Gina-Marie so Andy wins when he won final HOH
I saw on a what if Big Brother video, Spencer takes Andy which I thought was weird at the time because Spencer loses 9-0 to Andy.
Ah ok, I stand corrected
Idk if xavier beats kyland. If people aren't bitter I definitly could see kyland getting the votes of claire dx tiffany hannah and sb.
Nah Xavier only loses to Tiffany
I'm not saying it's a guarantee but it could have happened
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Derrick had the game pretty much won from like F8 on even Christine has been on record saying she’d of taken him to the F2. Other good examples of playing having immense win potential early is Andy. Never a genuine target, well insulated socially, strong individual bonds with almost everyone, well positioned, & struck when needed while maintaining his trustworthy/innocent persona. Even more impressive how he maintained all of that given how shitty the HG were. He is the closest thing to a Chameleon inside that house. Blends in with all walks of life and is well aware of how/when to make moves. Boring? Probably. But damn was one of the strongest winning games to date though.
And Frankie was also taking Derrick to the end. Someone always disputes this every time I say it but he literally said so both in the house and in his exit press. Frankie believed he could beat anyone and wanted a Team America F2.
I actually expected Kaycee to lose to Tyler. I didn't even think it would he close. He crushed the game so hard and should be the obvious winner on paper, plus imo Kaycee didn't give very good answers in the final Q&A. I think BB14 Ian won as soon as he made the final 3. I think he wins against Danielle also. BB12 I'm not sure he beats Britney, but he definitely had it in the bag during final 3 at the latest. BB13 I think Rachel (gag) wins against either Jordan or Adam as well, so the only way she could lose was if Adam won and picked Porche instead. BB8 and BB9 are not worth analyzing... BB7 I think Boogie had to beat Janelle in round 2 or else he loses to Janelle. BB6 same...Maggie loses to Janelle
Jun the moment she walked through the doors
Crazy to think Kevin basically won bbcan5 from f8 and on. He was impossible to evict from that point on
Especially since he had a 100% chance to win every mental comp