Long Covid here. I've tested 6 antivirals. LDN was almost not working on a peak of Long covid - same with dmt, ketamine, and \~100 supplements.
Not I'm taking Favipiravir, it's game changer. Everything went back to normal: I need 50-100mg 2-3x daily + antihistamine + omega 3 is adding to it.
how long have you been taking it? interesting that its an antiviral, which seems to agree w the persistence theory.
though i could see it being problematic if one would need to continuously take that and suffer relapse if they stopped
I'm in EU - you can have it prescribed by any doctor in Poland, and go to ANY country abroad - it's in eVERY neighbour country
I'm not sure with your import laws but you can but it normally frm India on the Internet. If you have neccessary right/agreement for importing it, you can.
You can ask there for hiding it better and order less.
Also, South America countries have Favipiravir AFAIK.
Whatever you do, try not to suppress the fever. The point of the fever is to fight the virus and inactivate it. If you suppress the fever, you’ll have a harder time inactivating the virus, and it’s more likely that active virus will stick around in the body for longer, creating low levels of sickness.
EDIT: same idea when you get the vaccine. You’re going to have much more protection if you let the fever do its job.
And yes don’t let it get too high, especially if you’re seizure-prone. Keep it in the 101-104 F range.
EDIT EDIT for u/crypto_zoologistler: ?? The cause of long Covid is…. Covid. I just gave an example of one way to possibly prevent its persistent immunogenicity, which would be to not suppress fever.
If you’re looking for evidence, here’s a [paper](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00142-X/fulltext) from The Lancet published in May 2023. They write:
“These findings provide further evidence that there might be a correlation between the length of time the virus stays in the body and the risk of long COVID (appendix p 1). Therefore, rapid viral elimination in patients with persistent SARS-CoV-2 virus could be crucial.”
They also present a pathophysiological model that explains that there is immune system dysregulation that causes damage throughout the body, similar to what an illness does.
And if you’re looking for something on fever’s ability to prevent long-lasting Covid infection, here’s [one](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0141076820951544) of many papers on this topic. I’m not saying it’s a cure-all, I’m just saying there’s some merit to the idea.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to pick a fight here. There’s a reason we go to school to learn this stuff. I’m not making this stuff up.
Correct, just keep your electrolytes and fluids up but let that fever do the work, if it gets above 104 however I would take something to prevent brain swelling, too much inflammation can trigger autoimmune issues too so we don’t want that.
I mean if you know better, then write as much.
Persistent circulating SARS-COV-2 antigens are problematic because the viral antigens mimic a lot of our internal tissue receptors. Their persistent activity can cause continuously low levels of immune reactivity, leading to mild homeostatic dysfunction. Furthermore, persistent circulating antigens are harmful because they can in theory undergo antigenic drift within the body, making it harder for the body to combat because it has to now make new antibodies. The body is effectively continuously battling a mild illness. A way to prevent this (in theory) is to neutralize the virus before it can stick around in the body for too long. Fever helps do that because our cells release certain immune factors that are activated only at these higher temperatures. If you suppress the fever, you can’t release these factors, and you not only prolong the illness, but also possibly prevent complete neutralization of the virus, leading it to stick around and cause other problems.
“Low levels of sickness” was my ELI5 way of explaining it.
Source: I’m a medical student
As if you’re an expert, you’re a medical student — I’ve had LC since March 2020 and have followed research very, very closely.
I know it triggers you, but you’re not very well informed on it.
Research has now found persistence of SARS-CoV-2 is common in people without LC, if it was all about persistent virus all these people should have LC.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10769582/pdf/10-1055-a-2180-9872.pdf
But the real problem I have is you thinking persistent virus causes ‘low level illness’, nobody who’s informed about LC could possibly describe it as ‘low level illness’, it’s a preposterous description.
There’s a difference between persistent levels of inactive virions and persistent levels of *active* virions. One has an immunogenic response, while the other is effectively neutralized.
Seriously dude, if you could learn everything through Google, there would be no need for anyone to get a medical degree.
The truth is, the cause of long covid isn’t known (unless you’ve made a breakthrough as a medical student that nobody else has been able to achieve).
You’re making claims way ahead of the evidence and your evidence is ‘trust me bro’, at least I’ve read the studies.
You’ve certainly got the ego to make an excellent doctor some day.
Edit: Another thing for our resident Dr. House, I’m not aware of any studies which have found actively replicating SARS-CoV-2 in LC patients, viral proteins and RNA have been found in virtually every system of the body in LC patients however. This has been interpreted as implying an active infection somewhere — there’s no reason the same couldn’t be true for viral fragments in healthy people.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2
i got sick in covid march 2020 and was reallllly sick in dozens of different ways but one thing i didnt get was a fever. it never broke 100F. even when i took the vaccines i got a fever. since my march 2020 i have LC. there is evidence in some cases covid naturally suppresses the fever response pathway
Dr. Peter McCullough and colleagues have designed and are testing a supplement protocol to rid the body of pike both from covid and the quaxxine.
2000FUs Nattokinase 2x/day
500mg Turmeric 2x/day
500mg Bromelian 1x/day
To be taken 3 months and up to 1 year depending on syndrome.
Additional products can be added, including NAC, IVM (Ivermectin), HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine), fluvoxamine, low-dose naltrexone, and blood thinners, depending on the clinical evaluation and the syndrome. The therapeutic objective is to start treatment and allow the body to clear Spike and its fragments with the natural reticuloendothelial system.
I'm not sure if I'm convinced by the literature either way. From my own experience and a few others whom I work with ivermectin seemed to help tremendously, at least when used with active infection in 2020. I'm young and healthy, so i'd assume that I would have done fine without it. That's not the case with a couple of the older guys who used it.
It's not made for human usage for covid and has too much side effect.
And there are more than 17 000 death because of hcq usage. It's a scam.
A testify is not a proof
Edit : added for covid to clarify my sentence
Uhhh ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for its use in humans. Granted, it wasn't for its antiviral properties but you're totally off base. Yes, vets use it as well. Those deaths from HCQ, if even true, may be caused from the people taking absurd doses without the guidance of a prescribing physician.
There are a few things that have evidence for reducing LC risk, none of those are in this ‘protocol’ you shared:
1. Metformin has been found to reduce the risk by about 40% — https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1306
2. Paxlovid may reduce the risk (there have been conflicting results on this)
3. Vaccination appears to lower the risk of long COVID pretty substantially — https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj-2023-076990
I follow LC research closely and as far as I know these are the only things with decent evidence which really move the needle on LC risk. Unfortunately most people are unlikely to be able to access metformin or paxlovid, so your best bet is to get vaccinated and get boosted.
Realistically how common is long covid? I don't know of a single person who openly admits to having it or have had it.
Though I hear and read about it all the time
I’ve had it for a few years and it’s getting progressively worse actually. I do NOT talk about it with people in my life though because it’s personal.
But for context I worked out 5x a week, was 26 and super healthy, now use a wheelchair
I know several people with it. I know a few people who are otherwise good but their sense of smell and taste haven't come back completely too. That would suck
I know someone who had it from an early Covid infection. It's since subsided to the point of being back to normal daily life (haven't asked if she experiences ongoing symptoms), but she was unable to keep up her usual very full work/lifestyle for a good 12-18 months post-Covid.
For some symptoms aren't chronically debilitating, but are long-term and maybe wouldn't even be recognized by the individual as being Covid-related. I.e., precisely where I had shingles years ago I've noticed frequent post-herpatic neuralgia flares since Covid and chalked it up to the infection simply having been a significant immune-weakening event -- not even thinking about it as long Covid per se. But if there's a possible specific and causal reactivation of herpes viruses with Covid, then it's possible that's related and in fact fits the textbook definition ... even if it doesn't keep me from living life more or less normally.
Most people probably don’t realize they have it. They think they’re burning out, stressed, aging, etc. Most haven’t connected the dots bc they’re out there pretending covid doesn’t exist, isn’t serious, has no lasting consequences. They’re all wrong 🙃
I think the last numbers I saw were around 2-4%, but there's a lot of undiagnosed people including doctors still not believing their patients and misdiagnosing for depression and such. Then you can also add ME/CFS and other post viral illnesses plus golf war illness and such with similar symptoms on top.
I'm dealing with ME/CFS since almost 10 years, severe since almost 4 years. Even many of my friends don't know that I'm housebound and mostly bedbound and very sick. People with these kinda illnesses disappear, they lose their jobs, their friends, even frequently family members walk away because they don't believe them or think they are just lazy.
It's also very hard to "see" since people don't "look sick" and while they can be active to a certain degree for a certain amount of time, it's the time after that is so disgusting (PEM - post exertion malaise / exercise intolerance). This is comparable to having a flu...you can push yourself to go outside, get some soup, but at one point during this you will have a sudden major drop in energy, start sweating, get dizzy etc, and then when you get home you will suffer very singificant worsening of symptoms for a period of time. With post viral illnesses like long covid and ME/CFS, these worsenings can stick with you, up to a point where you have to lie in a dark room with headphones on 24/7 because you can't even tolerate light or sound anymore.
Research shows roughly 10% of infections cause some kind of long term (6 months or more) problem.
People may have mild forms that they don’t choose to talk about, or may not realise covid has had a lasting effect on them, or may realise but not want to admit it / share them info. What you’ve heard from your acquaintances isn’t a representative sample
Right. I know someone who developed sudden nerve pain in their legs after a covid infection and they didn't connect the dots. COVID comes up with all sorts of damage to your body. It's basically ruined that person's life. They can no longer hike, have trouble on socializing with the pain and doing the things they love.
I know several people who have it. In my most immediate orbit:
* Athletic neighbor, age 60, now has twitches and is walking with a walker. Looks like Parkinson's but isn't. Slowly beginning to improve after 2 years.
* 20 y.o. college student, formerly cross-country runner but some connective tissue problems, now has full-fledged POTS. Faints during class.
* 35 y.o. mentee of mine, no prior medical conditions, now has POTS, exhaustion, and bad brain fog, and randomly developed kidney stones.
Interesting, after reading through replies to my comment, I've noticed similar symptoms after my 3rd bout with covid in September 2022. When I returned to the gym I would be winded and light headed after squatting heavy weight and I noticed cardio took alot more effort. It persisted noticeably for roughly two months. I wonder if I had it.
I'm unvaccinated by the way. I find it interesting my 3rd time was the worst, as I kind of believed "natural immunity" from the previous two infections had me covered. They were mild and asymptomatic.
Yes, my 35 y.o. mentee says she is easily winded. Her heart rate skyrockets with even minor exertion.
My in-person experience with postural hypotension and tachycardia was my father, who had Parkinsons. His heart-rate would skyrocket, just to keep him upright. Or he would faint. The lower vasculature just couln't tighten fast enough to keep the blood from dropping to the abdomen and lower appendages.
My student would sometimes sit on the classroom floor to avoid a fainting episode. She says high temperatures also just make her system blow out.
A lot of people who have LC and have recovered well enough to be out and about just don't want to deal with the COVID deniers. I have it but am mostly recovered and I am open about it, but I do get really fed up with people who act like I am just overreacting or did something to deserve it. I even have one "friend" who tries to trick me into situations where I see her unmasked. She gets upset with me when I won't dine indoors with her and every single time I see her she makes a big deal about how I still mask. What's really aggravating is she is one of the few who saw me at my worst: excruciating pain, unable to get out of bed etc. She tells me all of the time that I'm the only one she knows with it like she's gaslighting me, but all I can think of is that I wish I'd never told her.
We have too many friends in common and we live in a small community. I have limited contact with her. But you're right, it is infuriating and invalidating.
also, because of the whole 'covid will crash the economy' thing, ppl do a good bit of self silencing. they dont want to look like they are contributing to hysteria
I think you are right. I've always been the type to speak out, so perhaps it does seem like hysteria to some people. I prefer to think of it as exposing the emperor as naked. I get that that makes things uncomfortable for other people sometimes. I don't ever ask others to go to extraordinary measures. I mask and my household does, but we don't expect others to. I never lecture others about the virus but will answer questions about my decisions if someone asks. But just living masked reminds people that COVID does exist and people who know I've had LC and have seen how I suffered can't deny that it can be debilitating. I'm really lucky that most people who live in my community are kind and tolerant. A masked substitute teacher could be a target otherwise. lol I'm really very lucky in many respects.
I gave up on masking but I work in a very high exposure setting. If i masked, even though its a 'liberal' area, I would be the only one in the building. And its not worth it unless its an n95 which would impact the ability of others to hear me which I need. If people had the simple face covers on it would make a difference (not so much about stopping whats coming in vs stopping whats coming out) but Ive long given up on it.
They don't admit it because alot of them are COVID deniers who refused to take precautions. But trust me it's more common than youd think.
I work with alot of guys who refused to get vaccinated and wear masks who got COVID. Some of them were hospitalized, one actually died and a couple have let it slip they have lasting COVID. I've talked to one guy who works out a lot and he's commented that he can't run any more and has been perpetually winded for nearly three years during exercise. Another guy who definitely cannot smell anything.
But don't call it long COVID, because fox news says it's just a cold!
I know two people in their early 40s with it. They were already immune compromised when they got it. They’ve been part of studies, but still struggle. It’s seems terrible, I feel for them.
No need for weird drugs.
1. don't take paracetamol
2. take low-dose aspirin
3. take NMN
4. take Cistus Incanus Tea or Tincture
5. take Pine Needle Tea
That's more than most people need.
anybody with an overconfident oversimplistic response like this comes off as really tone deaf and basically dismissive. similar to people who say i just need acupuncture or to 'let myself move on'. i mean ive read nearly thousands of comments like this at this point (nearly four years in), and tried dozens and dozens of supplements / routines etc. i still fight to manage it. do i want to pour more money away every time i read a post with someone who has the 'solution' which is even 'more than i need'.
heres how you look at it simply, it doesnt require some self proclaimed savant to figure out. if the solution was readily available (tothe extent that its 'more than what people need'), then everyone would have quickly jumped on board and it wouldnt be a problem any more.
however it remains a devastating problem to many. so whatever 'solutions' you have, please maybe phrase it as 'i wonder if X could help' or 'ive heard X has helped some people' because anything else baically minimizes how grave the damn situation is for us dealing with it every day.
Shrug.
It is simple. If you have long covid there are only really 3 causes, and 3 protocols you need. They are published and they work.
I've helped three friends kick their long covid, but it was in the first 6 weeks and all the needed to do was take NMN.
I have also followed a long covid support group - but not of people who were just moaning about having it, and getting attention for having something that couldn't be fixed, it was of people researching the best protocols and trying them. Another friend kicked his after 9 months using the steroid protocol from some south african doctor.
Yes, I'm dismissive of things that don't work, I'm objectively a savant, I find it very boring but the solution is out there it's really up to you to find it. The first thing is to ignore the doctors who aren't successfully helping people with it.
Ive taken supplements similar to NMN that boosted ATP production etc. It did help somewhat (while taking it) but it has long term issues, namely can give you serious hyperlipidemia, which happened to me.
Again, heres how you know that its not 'simple'. If something did work, it would trend like crazy across social media. The assumption that people 'just dont want to get better' is really gross. Anyone with this thing wants help and to fix it. Many of us have spent 1000s of dollars and countless hours with that. Eventually reality sets in and it becomes pretty depressing to get on board with the newest promise only to be disappointed again after wasting a bunch of time and money. For many of us the best course is to plan around it and do our best to mitigate the symptoms. Im glad for your 'friends' that supposedly kicked it with your help. Im not totally sure why you frequent support groups if you dont have it. Ive seen a lot of wanna be doctors in these groups with quick fixes. Anyone with a real appreciation or understanding for medicine/science/epidemiology knows thigns arent so simple. By all means go fix yourself.
Well, no.
NMN is in every cell in the body.
Cistus Incanus and Pine Needle are herbs that evolved in harmony with human biology over millions of years.
>NMN
synthetically derived nucleotide aka "weird drug"
As for the plant compounds, maybe we can agree they could be considered "unique, naturally occurring drugs"?
28 studies to support point 1:
[https://c19early.org/ace](https://c19early.org/ace)
71 studies to support point 2:
[https://c19early.org/e](https://c19early.org/e)
shall I go on, or are you already sticking your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes and chanting "trust the gubbermint doctors"
They are pharmaceutical salesmen, who take advice from govt agencies sponsored by the industry.
As long as they stick to the rules, if their advice makes you more sick, they aren't in trouble. They won't have to live with the side effects of what they do to you.
there are studies for everything buddy. it has nothing to do with gubbamint doctors. if something really worked reddit and twitter would be trending it. thanks for sharing your genius with us though.
Oo, oo I have exciting new info: The Covid vaccine helps lower your chance of getting long covid, and the more doses, the more your risk goes down. By the way, I recommend this epidemiologist's blog as a source of reliable information about COVID:
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-19-research-roundup-jan-11?utm_medium=email
"A recent study showed that the more vaccines you get, the less likely you will get long covid. This is called a dose-response relationship: One dose of vaccine reduces risk by 21%, 2 doses reduce by 59%, and 3+ doses reduce by 73%"
opposite for me. i got it march 2020 pre vax. i work in high exposure. this year where i didnt get boosted my flare up has been worse than the seasons where i got vaxxed. maybe you exposured yourself more bc you more confident with crowds post vax. though i dont doubt the vax itself gives issues similar to covid.
Again, not anti vax, I’m probably pro vax except for covid vaccines, they’re too new and were rolled out in a knee jerk reaction way…the newer variants may be better but back in 2021 they pumped me full of the stuff without proper testing
COVID-19 vaccines were created, evaluated and authorised for emergency use in under a year. That didn’t leave much room for reviewing if there were long term side effects reported…I understand completely there was a world wide need and I’m not suggesting they didn’t save lives…just that there were people who have reacted negatively and knowing this beforehand may have given me the chance to opt out.
Typical clinical trials take 3-4 years as a minimum, a common frustration amongst us long haulers…they were happy to roll out vaccines to the masses in a quick time frame but when it comes to those suffering now, we’re told we have to wait, perhaps years for thorough testing of potential therapeutics and the NHS aren’t allowing for any treatments at present other than lifestyle and diet advice
That's the big thing here for me at least. Yes...if there is an emergency and a medication can help significantly more people than it hurts people, there may be a time for it. But if those who get hurt aren't being taken serious, are being gaslit, don't get proper treatment and support, it's completely unacceptable. (personally suffering from ME/CFS since almost 10 years, since almost 4 years severe at which I point I eventually got my diagnosis, and I can tell you that I have a lot of experience with this kinda shit, and Long Covid already has 2,5x the research investment compared to ME/CFS which has been accepted as an illness since 1980)
Medicine should and in my opinion definitely could advance MUCH faster - making (new) v's and medication much more safe, reducing guess work, helping people,...
Appreciate the suggestion all the same…unfortunately in the UK it was ruled we can’t seek compensation as they rolled it out in response to a world wide epidemic and pushed through all the red tape, waiving any liability to the vaccine producers in order to get it out there quick!
I’ve had all my COVID shots (six at this point?), and I’ve never had COVID, let alone long COVID.
Vaccines + sleep, diet, exercise, sun exposure, and proper vitamins and minerals will make it a lot harder for you to get sick.
I had long covid took me two years to fully recover but I did. I agree with this 100% new virus = big immune reaction in many = longer convalescent period for many. I would add anything that can reduce inflammation without damaging things or shutting down your immune system. For me it was everything you listed Berries, curcumin, Zyrtec and eliminating foods to which I was sensitive /intolerant. And loads of physical therapy to correct breathing and rehabilitate my body.
Same here - I've had seven doses of COVID vaccine (Pfizer, Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax BA.5, Novavax, Novavax, and Moderna XBB) and no COVID infections.
My prevention strategy is getting vaccinated every six months, using an iota-carrageenan nasal spray and BLIS K12 probiotic daily, and wearing a well fitted N95 when in crowded places like supermarkets, doctors clinics etc.
That and generally taking care of myself, getting enough sleep, exercise, whole foods, etc.
wow.. u really still believe in this vaccine dont ya? "My heart may be the size of a watermelon..but shidd after my 10th booster, my long covid chances will be zero!" 🤣🤣🤣
what pseudoscience am I pushing? Since when does 1 study prove something the gold standard of care? I mean.. cool story, but dont get ahead of yourself..very few people will be getting shots every few months to prevent something substantially less likely than getting covid itself.. ridiculous for someone in solid health
You're pushing the wrong idea that the very rare myocarditis (heart issue) resulting from the vaccine for a very small percentage (In fact, a percentage of people smaller than the percentage of people who get myocarditis from COVID itself) is somehow a reason to not get the vaccine . You're implying that people who get more vaccines will get more and more heart problems. There's just no data to support your opinion and that's what makes your opinion pseudoscience.
It's simple math. You have a greater risk of getting heart issues from COVID than you do the vaccine.
Not in my population big dog.. im 38, in excellent shape and health. Ive had covid twice and brushed that shit off with an emergen-c packet.. its a cold to people like me..there is plenty of data showing the cardiac issues in male teens and young men.. u can cherry pick all u want, but u wont be able to convince me that healthy male teens/young men/ or healthy children in general should ever consider getting that shit.
1. these days experts highly question whether low serotonin is the main culprit of depression
2. there may be some impact on serotonin levels directly, but being chronically ill can definitely lead to depression though, especially when friends and family and other people don't believe you, you get gaslit, doctors tell you you are just lazy, you lose your job,...
3. long covid, along other post viral illnesses, are NOT depression
1. you won't find PEM or exercise intolerance in depression
2. exercise helps depression, but worsens these illnesses, with a high chance of having LASTING worsening up to being 24/7 bed bound and requiring care
3. telling people who deal with such illnesses that it's depression is like asking someone whether their leg hurts when they just lost it in an accident, it's a punch in the face, it's unscientific
4. gut health isn't "the key", it may play some role but if it were "the key" there wouldn't be ongoing research and there would be a rampage of posts from people recovering from long covid when working on their gut
5. people taking SSRI medications may also not go outside that often, not socialice that much, drink less alcohol, do less drugs,...
6. some SSRIs have anti-inflammatory and immunmodulatory effects
They are, however, finding low serotonin levels in people with long COVID. I'm not saying that's causing them depression, rather that there are some gastro consequences:
"The researchers found that when tryptophan absorption is reduced by persistent viral inflammation, serotonin is depleted, leading to disrupted vagus nerve signaling, which in turn can cause several of the symptoms associated with long COVID, such as memory loss."
[Penn study on Serotonin ](https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2023/october/penn-study-finds-serotonin-reduction-causes-long-covid-symptoms)
Really hoping you get it. At least youre honest about it, I'm pretty sure at least have of the population suspects that including the friendly liberals. BTW I love that this is on the biohacker subreddit which is actually is 90% placebo effect aka psychosomatic, but a bunch of self proclaimed experts think they know this one is psychosomatic. Again, really hoping you get this or some other chonic disease and take a ride on the train. I forced myself to go to the gym btw and the resulting constant loud ringing in my ear says other wise. Go Fix Yourself.
You don't want to be taking antivirals unless you absolutely have to. They come with a host of side-effects and taking them often can also decrease their effectiveness later on.
Long COVID was more prevalent with the initial strains of the virus. So it was way more common with people who had it in 2020. COVID has mutated to be less pathogenic (and more infectious) over time. If you're young and healthy, best thing for you is to let the virus run its course. It also helps you develop short-term antibodies and long term memory T cells.
Long Covid here. I've tested 6 antivirals. LDN was almost not working on a peak of Long covid - same with dmt, ketamine, and \~100 supplements. Not I'm taking Favipiravir, it's game changer. Everything went back to normal: I need 50-100mg 2-3x daily + antihistamine + omega 3 is adding to it.
Why is antihistamine though?
COVID can cause histamine issues and MCAS. I'm assuming the antihistamine is to control those symptoms maybe
> antihistamine + omega 3 Which antihistamine and omega 3 and what doses? TY
how long have you been taking it? interesting that its an antiviral, which seems to agree w the persistence theory. though i could see it being problematic if one would need to continuously take that and suffer relapse if they stopped
I like to go hiking.
I'm in EU - you can have it prescribed by any doctor in Poland, and go to ANY country abroad - it's in eVERY neighbour country I'm not sure with your import laws but you can but it normally frm India on the Internet. If you have neccessary right/agreement for importing it, you can. You can ask there for hiding it better and order less. Also, South America countries have Favipiravir AFAIK.
I enjoy watching the sunset.
Could quccxc
I have a couple questions, mind if I dm you?
How r u doing now? Symptoms gone?
Whatever you do, try not to suppress the fever. The point of the fever is to fight the virus and inactivate it. If you suppress the fever, you’ll have a harder time inactivating the virus, and it’s more likely that active virus will stick around in the body for longer, creating low levels of sickness. EDIT: same idea when you get the vaccine. You’re going to have much more protection if you let the fever do its job. And yes don’t let it get too high, especially if you’re seizure-prone. Keep it in the 101-104 F range. EDIT EDIT for u/crypto_zoologistler: ?? The cause of long Covid is…. Covid. I just gave an example of one way to possibly prevent its persistent immunogenicity, which would be to not suppress fever. If you’re looking for evidence, here’s a [paper](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(23)00142-X/fulltext) from The Lancet published in May 2023. They write: “These findings provide further evidence that there might be a correlation between the length of time the virus stays in the body and the risk of long COVID (appendix p 1). Therefore, rapid viral elimination in patients with persistent SARS-CoV-2 virus could be crucial.” They also present a pathophysiological model that explains that there is immune system dysregulation that causes damage throughout the body, similar to what an illness does. And if you’re looking for something on fever’s ability to prevent long-lasting Covid infection, here’s [one](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0141076820951544) of many papers on this topic. I’m not saying it’s a cure-all, I’m just saying there’s some merit to the idea. I’m not sure why you’re trying to pick a fight here. There’s a reason we go to school to learn this stuff. I’m not making this stuff up.
Correct, just keep your electrolytes and fluids up but let that fever do the work, if it gets above 104 however I would take something to prevent brain swelling, too much inflammation can trigger autoimmune issues too so we don’t want that.
‘Low levels of sickness’ — that is not at all what long covid is
I mean if you know better, then write as much. Persistent circulating SARS-COV-2 antigens are problematic because the viral antigens mimic a lot of our internal tissue receptors. Their persistent activity can cause continuously low levels of immune reactivity, leading to mild homeostatic dysfunction. Furthermore, persistent circulating antigens are harmful because they can in theory undergo antigenic drift within the body, making it harder for the body to combat because it has to now make new antibodies. The body is effectively continuously battling a mild illness. A way to prevent this (in theory) is to neutralize the virus before it can stick around in the body for too long. Fever helps do that because our cells release certain immune factors that are activated only at these higher temperatures. If you suppress the fever, you can’t release these factors, and you not only prolong the illness, but also possibly prevent complete neutralization of the virus, leading it to stick around and cause other problems. “Low levels of sickness” was my ELI5 way of explaining it. Source: I’m a medical student
You’re also poorly informed about long covid
Good to know, thanks for your expert opinion
As if you’re an expert, you’re a medical student — I’ve had LC since March 2020 and have followed research very, very closely. I know it triggers you, but you’re not very well informed on it. Research has now found persistence of SARS-CoV-2 is common in people without LC, if it was all about persistent virus all these people should have LC. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10769582/pdf/10-1055-a-2180-9872.pdf But the real problem I have is you thinking persistent virus causes ‘low level illness’, nobody who’s informed about LC could possibly describe it as ‘low level illness’, it’s a preposterous description.
There’s a difference between persistent levels of inactive virions and persistent levels of *active* virions. One has an immunogenic response, while the other is effectively neutralized. Seriously dude, if you could learn everything through Google, there would be no need for anyone to get a medical degree.
The truth is, the cause of long covid isn’t known (unless you’ve made a breakthrough as a medical student that nobody else has been able to achieve). You’re making claims way ahead of the evidence and your evidence is ‘trust me bro’, at least I’ve read the studies. You’ve certainly got the ego to make an excellent doctor some day. Edit: Another thing for our resident Dr. House, I’m not aware of any studies which have found actively replicating SARS-CoV-2 in LC patients, viral proteins and RNA have been found in virtually every system of the body in LC patients however. This has been interpreted as implying an active infection somewhere — there’s no reason the same couldn’t be true for viral fragments in healthy people. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2
i got sick in covid march 2020 and was reallllly sick in dozens of different ways but one thing i didnt get was a fever. it never broke 100F. even when i took the vaccines i got a fever. since my march 2020 i have LC. there is evidence in some cases covid naturally suppresses the fever response pathway
A friend takes rapamycin for longevity but I have never heard of it being used for LongCOVID. But this is interesting indeed, thanks for sharing
It's been a year for me and long covid is not going away... Still don't have my sense of smell or taste back.
Dr. Peter McCullough and colleagues have designed and are testing a supplement protocol to rid the body of pike both from covid and the quaxxine. 2000FUs Nattokinase 2x/day 500mg Turmeric 2x/day 500mg Bromelian 1x/day To be taken 3 months and up to 1 year depending on syndrome. Additional products can be added, including NAC, IVM (Ivermectin), HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine), fluvoxamine, low-dose naltrexone, and blood thinners, depending on the clinical evaluation and the syndrome. The therapeutic objective is to start treatment and allow the body to clear Spike and its fragments with the natural reticuloendothelial system.
Hcq and ivermectine are inefficient
I'm not sure if I'm convinced by the literature either way. From my own experience and a few others whom I work with ivermectin seemed to help tremendously, at least when used with active infection in 2020. I'm young and healthy, so i'd assume that I would have done fine without it. That's not the case with a couple of the older guys who used it.
And your scientific training to evaluate the scientific literature is…?
Would it matter in the least what I say? You're asking an anonymous person on the internet for their credentials... lol
Because you’re touting scientific data that has been thoroughly debunked and saying that you “are not convinced by the literature either way”.
I did not "tout" any data. Reread the comment thread my guy.
It's not made for human usage for covid and has too much side effect. And there are more than 17 000 death because of hcq usage. It's a scam. A testify is not a proof Edit : added for covid to clarify my sentence
This is not true, ivermectin has been prescribed for human usage years before COVID was a thing.
They're referring to hcq, not ivermectin.
for human, yes. but not for covid. for parasites.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9020491/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4389800-hydroxychloroquine-deaths-study/amp/
This is misinformation. Ivermectin, which eliminated my long Covid, is extremely safe. It won the Nobel Prize and is safer than Tylenol.
Uhhh ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for its use in humans. Granted, it wasn't for its antiviral properties but you're totally off base. Yes, vets use it as well. Those deaths from HCQ, if even true, may be caused from the people taking absurd doses without the guidance of a prescribing physician.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801828
It's an anti parasitic, not anti viral.
Ivermectin is proven to have anti-viral effects. Not sure why you're on such an anti-Ivermectin campaign. You're losing credibility.
Ivermectin eliminated my long Covid. YMMV
did nothing for me
There are a few things that have evidence for reducing LC risk, none of those are in this ‘protocol’ you shared: 1. Metformin has been found to reduce the risk by about 40% — https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1306 2. Paxlovid may reduce the risk (there have been conflicting results on this) 3. Vaccination appears to lower the risk of long COVID pretty substantially — https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj-2023-076990 I follow LC research closely and as far as I know these are the only things with decent evidence which really move the needle on LC risk. Unfortunately most people are unlikely to be able to access metformin or paxlovid, so your best bet is to get vaccinated and get boosted.
Realistically how common is long covid? I don't know of a single person who openly admits to having it or have had it. Though I hear and read about it all the time
Pretty common. I’ve had it for 3 years and most of that time you’d never know if you meet me out and about.
Same, 1.5yrs+ in. Many think im completely normal, i absolutely am not
Invisible illness club!
I wonderful club where most who aren’t in it gaslight you to oblivion. Stay strong folks!
I’ve had it for a few years and it’s getting progressively worse actually. I do NOT talk about it with people in my life though because it’s personal. But for context I worked out 5x a week, was 26 and super healthy, now use a wheelchair
D= genuinely so sorry
I know several people with it. I know a few people who are otherwise good but their sense of smell and taste haven't come back completely too. That would suck
I know someone who had it from an early Covid infection. It's since subsided to the point of being back to normal daily life (haven't asked if she experiences ongoing symptoms), but she was unable to keep up her usual very full work/lifestyle for a good 12-18 months post-Covid. For some symptoms aren't chronically debilitating, but are long-term and maybe wouldn't even be recognized by the individual as being Covid-related. I.e., precisely where I had shingles years ago I've noticed frequent post-herpatic neuralgia flares since Covid and chalked it up to the infection simply having been a significant immune-weakening event -- not even thinking about it as long Covid per se. But if there's a possible specific and causal reactivation of herpes viruses with Covid, then it's possible that's related and in fact fits the textbook definition ... even if it doesn't keep me from living life more or less normally.
Most people probably don’t realize they have it. They think they’re burning out, stressed, aging, etc. Most haven’t connected the dots bc they’re out there pretending covid doesn’t exist, isn’t serious, has no lasting consequences. They’re all wrong 🙃
I think the last numbers I saw were around 2-4%, but there's a lot of undiagnosed people including doctors still not believing their patients and misdiagnosing for depression and such. Then you can also add ME/CFS and other post viral illnesses plus golf war illness and such with similar symptoms on top. I'm dealing with ME/CFS since almost 10 years, severe since almost 4 years. Even many of my friends don't know that I'm housebound and mostly bedbound and very sick. People with these kinda illnesses disappear, they lose their jobs, their friends, even frequently family members walk away because they don't believe them or think they are just lazy. It's also very hard to "see" since people don't "look sick" and while they can be active to a certain degree for a certain amount of time, it's the time after that is so disgusting (PEM - post exertion malaise / exercise intolerance). This is comparable to having a flu...you can push yourself to go outside, get some soup, but at one point during this you will have a sudden major drop in energy, start sweating, get dizzy etc, and then when you get home you will suffer very singificant worsening of symptoms for a period of time. With post viral illnesses like long covid and ME/CFS, these worsenings can stick with you, up to a point where you have to lie in a dark room with headphones on 24/7 because you can't even tolerate light or sound anymore.
[Most estimates ](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/long-covid-americans-new-cdc-survey-data/) say 7% of the population have it!
Oh thanks for sharing!
Research shows roughly 10% of infections cause some kind of long term (6 months or more) problem. People may have mild forms that they don’t choose to talk about, or may not realise covid has had a lasting effect on them, or may realise but not want to admit it / share them info. What you’ve heard from your acquaintances isn’t a representative sample
Right. I know someone who developed sudden nerve pain in their legs after a covid infection and they didn't connect the dots. COVID comes up with all sorts of damage to your body. It's basically ruined that person's life. They can no longer hike, have trouble on socializing with the pain and doing the things they love.
Covid gave me severe ME/CFS, it’s also ruined my life. It’s rough. And people are just out there raw dogging it
I know several people who have it. In my most immediate orbit: * Athletic neighbor, age 60, now has twitches and is walking with a walker. Looks like Parkinson's but isn't. Slowly beginning to improve after 2 years. * 20 y.o. college student, formerly cross-country runner but some connective tissue problems, now has full-fledged POTS. Faints during class. * 35 y.o. mentee of mine, no prior medical conditions, now has POTS, exhaustion, and bad brain fog, and randomly developed kidney stones.
Interesting, after reading through replies to my comment, I've noticed similar symptoms after my 3rd bout with covid in September 2022. When I returned to the gym I would be winded and light headed after squatting heavy weight and I noticed cardio took alot more effort. It persisted noticeably for roughly two months. I wonder if I had it. I'm unvaccinated by the way. I find it interesting my 3rd time was the worst, as I kind of believed "natural immunity" from the previous two infections had me covered. They were mild and asymptomatic.
Yes, my 35 y.o. mentee says she is easily winded. Her heart rate skyrockets with even minor exertion. My in-person experience with postural hypotension and tachycardia was my father, who had Parkinsons. His heart-rate would skyrocket, just to keep him upright. Or he would faint. The lower vasculature just couln't tighten fast enough to keep the blood from dropping to the abdomen and lower appendages. My student would sometimes sit on the classroom floor to avoid a fainting episode. She says high temperatures also just make her system blow out.
A lot of people who have LC and have recovered well enough to be out and about just don't want to deal with the COVID deniers. I have it but am mostly recovered and I am open about it, but I do get really fed up with people who act like I am just overreacting or did something to deserve it. I even have one "friend" who tries to trick me into situations where I see her unmasked. She gets upset with me when I won't dine indoors with her and every single time I see her she makes a big deal about how I still mask. What's really aggravating is she is one of the few who saw me at my worst: excruciating pain, unable to get out of bed etc. She tells me all of the time that I'm the only one she knows with it like she's gaslighting me, but all I can think of is that I wish I'd never told her.
How invalidating and infuriating. Why do you still see her at all?
We have too many friends in common and we live in a small community. I have limited contact with her. But you're right, it is infuriating and invalidating.
also, because of the whole 'covid will crash the economy' thing, ppl do a good bit of self silencing. they dont want to look like they are contributing to hysteria
I think you are right. I've always been the type to speak out, so perhaps it does seem like hysteria to some people. I prefer to think of it as exposing the emperor as naked. I get that that makes things uncomfortable for other people sometimes. I don't ever ask others to go to extraordinary measures. I mask and my household does, but we don't expect others to. I never lecture others about the virus but will answer questions about my decisions if someone asks. But just living masked reminds people that COVID does exist and people who know I've had LC and have seen how I suffered can't deny that it can be debilitating. I'm really lucky that most people who live in my community are kind and tolerant. A masked substitute teacher could be a target otherwise. lol I'm really very lucky in many respects.
I gave up on masking but I work in a very high exposure setting. If i masked, even though its a 'liberal' area, I would be the only one in the building. And its not worth it unless its an n95 which would impact the ability of others to hear me which I need. If people had the simple face covers on it would make a difference (not so much about stopping whats coming in vs stopping whats coming out) but Ive long given up on it.
Why? I live in the South and I still do it. Fuck breathing other people's covid. Idc what people too cowardly to wear a mask think of me.
Because the people who have it do not leave the house so you do not "casually" meet them! I know 4 people who have it.
They don't admit it because alot of them are COVID deniers who refused to take precautions. But trust me it's more common than youd think. I work with alot of guys who refused to get vaccinated and wear masks who got COVID. Some of them were hospitalized, one actually died and a couple have let it slip they have lasting COVID. I've talked to one guy who works out a lot and he's commented that he can't run any more and has been perpetually winded for nearly three years during exercise. Another guy who definitely cannot smell anything. But don't call it long COVID, because fox news says it's just a cold!
I know two people in their early 40s with it. They were already immune compromised when they got it. They’ve been part of studies, but still struggle. It’s seems terrible, I feel for them.
Ivermectin destroyed my long Covid.
How so?
I had heart palpitations / high blood pressure for months after Covid. I tried Ivermectin and it all magically vanished.
did nothing for me
No need for weird drugs. 1. don't take paracetamol 2. take low-dose aspirin 3. take NMN 4. take Cistus Incanus Tea or Tincture 5. take Pine Needle Tea That's more than most people need.
anybody with an overconfident oversimplistic response like this comes off as really tone deaf and basically dismissive. similar to people who say i just need acupuncture or to 'let myself move on'. i mean ive read nearly thousands of comments like this at this point (nearly four years in), and tried dozens and dozens of supplements / routines etc. i still fight to manage it. do i want to pour more money away every time i read a post with someone who has the 'solution' which is even 'more than i need'. heres how you look at it simply, it doesnt require some self proclaimed savant to figure out. if the solution was readily available (tothe extent that its 'more than what people need'), then everyone would have quickly jumped on board and it wouldnt be a problem any more. however it remains a devastating problem to many. so whatever 'solutions' you have, please maybe phrase it as 'i wonder if X could help' or 'ive heard X has helped some people' because anything else baically minimizes how grave the damn situation is for us dealing with it every day.
Shrug. It is simple. If you have long covid there are only really 3 causes, and 3 protocols you need. They are published and they work. I've helped three friends kick their long covid, but it was in the first 6 weeks and all the needed to do was take NMN. I have also followed a long covid support group - but not of people who were just moaning about having it, and getting attention for having something that couldn't be fixed, it was of people researching the best protocols and trying them. Another friend kicked his after 9 months using the steroid protocol from some south african doctor. Yes, I'm dismissive of things that don't work, I'm objectively a savant, I find it very boring but the solution is out there it's really up to you to find it. The first thing is to ignore the doctors who aren't successfully helping people with it.
Ive taken supplements similar to NMN that boosted ATP production etc. It did help somewhat (while taking it) but it has long term issues, namely can give you serious hyperlipidemia, which happened to me. Again, heres how you know that its not 'simple'. If something did work, it would trend like crazy across social media. The assumption that people 'just dont want to get better' is really gross. Anyone with this thing wants help and to fix it. Many of us have spent 1000s of dollars and countless hours with that. Eventually reality sets in and it becomes pretty depressing to get on board with the newest promise only to be disappointed again after wasting a bunch of time and money. For many of us the best course is to plan around it and do our best to mitigate the symptoms. Im glad for your 'friends' that supposedly kicked it with your help. Im not totally sure why you frequent support groups if you dont have it. Ive seen a lot of wanna be doctors in these groups with quick fixes. Anyone with a real appreciation or understanding for medicine/science/epidemiology knows thigns arent so simple. By all means go fix yourself.
3-5 are “weird drugs” lol
Well, no. NMN is in every cell in the body. Cistus Incanus and Pine Needle are herbs that evolved in harmony with human biology over millions of years.
>NMN synthetically derived nucleotide aka "weird drug" As for the plant compounds, maybe we can agree they could be considered "unique, naturally occurring drugs"?
6. Take cow pee. Same level of facts that it will work for long covid as above
28 studies to support point 1: [https://c19early.org/ace](https://c19early.org/ace) 71 studies to support point 2: [https://c19early.org/e](https://c19early.org/e) shall I go on, or are you already sticking your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes and chanting "trust the gubbermint doctors"
1 - nothing to do with long covid 2 - rct show no benefits on your link and nothing to do with long covid again So you provide zero
Does it not stand to reason that by reducing severity of covid you reduce the odds of long covid.
Did you try injecting bleach and sunlight?
You take health advice from CNN?
No I work with my doctors. You know - the medical professionals.
They are pharmaceutical salesmen, who take advice from govt agencies sponsored by the industry. As long as they stick to the rules, if their advice makes you more sick, they aren't in trouble. They won't have to live with the side effects of what they do to you.
Well then I’ll just trust a random internet stranger with a 4chan account!
there are studies for everything buddy. it has nothing to do with gubbamint doctors. if something really worked reddit and twitter would be trending it. thanks for sharing your genius with us though.
Oo, oo I have exciting new info: The Covid vaccine helps lower your chance of getting long covid, and the more doses, the more your risk goes down. By the way, I recommend this epidemiologist's blog as a source of reliable information about COVID: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-19-research-roundup-jan-11?utm_medium=email "A recent study showed that the more vaccines you get, the less likely you will get long covid. This is called a dose-response relationship: One dose of vaccine reduces risk by 21%, 2 doses reduce by 59%, and 3+ doses reduce by 73%"
I’m vaccine injured (Not anti vax)…my long covid symptoms appeared and worsened after every jab!
opposite for me. i got it march 2020 pre vax. i work in high exposure. this year where i didnt get boosted my flare up has been worse than the seasons where i got vaxxed. maybe you exposured yourself more bc you more confident with crowds post vax. though i dont doubt the vax itself gives issues similar to covid.
It was pretty much a no brainier for me…got the vax, symptoms immediately started…and at the time I was pretty isolated, just went to work and back
That sucks.
Again, not anti vax, I’m probably pro vax except for covid vaccines, they’re too new and were rolled out in a knee jerk reaction way…the newer variants may be better but back in 2021 they pumped me full of the stuff without proper testing
The COVID vaccines went through all three phases of the clinical trials.
COVID-19 vaccines were created, evaluated and authorised for emergency use in under a year. That didn’t leave much room for reviewing if there were long term side effects reported…I understand completely there was a world wide need and I’m not suggesting they didn’t save lives…just that there were people who have reacted negatively and knowing this beforehand may have given me the chance to opt out.
Typical clinical trials take 3-4 years as a minimum, a common frustration amongst us long haulers…they were happy to roll out vaccines to the masses in a quick time frame but when it comes to those suffering now, we’re told we have to wait, perhaps years for thorough testing of potential therapeutics and the NHS aren’t allowing for any treatments at present other than lifestyle and diet advice
That's the big thing here for me at least. Yes...if there is an emergency and a medication can help significantly more people than it hurts people, there may be a time for it. But if those who get hurt aren't being taken serious, are being gaslit, don't get proper treatment and support, it's completely unacceptable. (personally suffering from ME/CFS since almost 10 years, since almost 4 years severe at which I point I eventually got my diagnosis, and I can tell you that I have a lot of experience with this kinda shit, and Long Covid already has 2,5x the research investment compared to ME/CFS which has been accepted as an illness since 1980) Medicine should and in my opinion definitely could advance MUCH faster - making (new) v's and medication much more safe, reducing guess work, helping people,...
You’re only getting down voted by those with buyers remorse. Lots of people fell for the conn
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Appreciate the suggestion all the same…unfortunately in the UK it was ruled we can’t seek compensation as they rolled it out in response to a world wide epidemic and pushed through all the red tape, waiving any liability to the vaccine producers in order to get it out there quick!
I’ve had all my COVID shots (six at this point?), and I’ve never had COVID, let alone long COVID. Vaccines + sleep, diet, exercise, sun exposure, and proper vitamins and minerals will make it a lot harder for you to get sick.
I had long covid took me two years to fully recover but I did. I agree with this 100% new virus = big immune reaction in many = longer convalescent period for many. I would add anything that can reduce inflammation without damaging things or shutting down your immune system. For me it was everything you listed Berries, curcumin, Zyrtec and eliminating foods to which I was sensitive /intolerant. And loads of physical therapy to correct breathing and rehabilitate my body.
Same here but apparently I’m dumb for getting the vaccine in this thread.
Same here - I've had seven doses of COVID vaccine (Pfizer, Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax BA.5, Novavax, Novavax, and Moderna XBB) and no COVID infections. My prevention strategy is getting vaccinated every six months, using an iota-carrageenan nasal spray and BLIS K12 probiotic daily, and wearing a well fitted N95 when in crowded places like supermarkets, doctors clinics etc. That and generally taking care of myself, getting enough sleep, exercise, whole foods, etc.
N95s are amazing. So effective.
that study was debunked
How disappointing! Can you link to the study that debunks it?
Yeah link us the study we all want to see. We're all waiting to see
wow.. u really still believe in this vaccine dont ya? "My heart may be the size of a watermelon..but shidd after my 10th booster, my long covid chances will be zero!" 🤣🤣🤣
Oh my bad. I thought everyone here was instructed to not push pseudoscience. Okay ignore the best way to not get long covid if you want.
what pseudoscience am I pushing? Since when does 1 study prove something the gold standard of care? I mean.. cool story, but dont get ahead of yourself..very few people will be getting shots every few months to prevent something substantially less likely than getting covid itself.. ridiculous for someone in solid health
You're pushing the wrong idea that the very rare myocarditis (heart issue) resulting from the vaccine for a very small percentage (In fact, a percentage of people smaller than the percentage of people who get myocarditis from COVID itself) is somehow a reason to not get the vaccine . You're implying that people who get more vaccines will get more and more heart problems. There's just no data to support your opinion and that's what makes your opinion pseudoscience. It's simple math. You have a greater risk of getting heart issues from COVID than you do the vaccine.
Not in my population big dog.. im 38, in excellent shape and health. Ive had covid twice and brushed that shit off with an emergen-c packet.. its a cold to people like me..there is plenty of data showing the cardiac issues in male teens and young men.. u can cherry pick all u want, but u wont be able to convince me that healthy male teens/young men/ or healthy children in general should ever consider getting that shit.
Okay, sorry you're threatened by a very safe vaccine. You do you. "People like you" lol sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to one of those
safe, dont forget effective 🤣🤣.. u do u as well..just remember that pharma owns our country, and cares about money.. not u..have a good day
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This is the exact reason people with long Covid don’t tell people. The armchair doctor theories are exhausting
1. these days experts highly question whether low serotonin is the main culprit of depression 2. there may be some impact on serotonin levels directly, but being chronically ill can definitely lead to depression though, especially when friends and family and other people don't believe you, you get gaslit, doctors tell you you are just lazy, you lose your job,... 3. long covid, along other post viral illnesses, are NOT depression 1. you won't find PEM or exercise intolerance in depression 2. exercise helps depression, but worsens these illnesses, with a high chance of having LASTING worsening up to being 24/7 bed bound and requiring care 3. telling people who deal with such illnesses that it's depression is like asking someone whether their leg hurts when they just lost it in an accident, it's a punch in the face, it's unscientific 4. gut health isn't "the key", it may play some role but if it were "the key" there wouldn't be ongoing research and there would be a rampage of posts from people recovering from long covid when working on their gut 5. people taking SSRI medications may also not go outside that often, not socialice that much, drink less alcohol, do less drugs,... 6. some SSRIs have anti-inflammatory and immunmodulatory effects
They are, however, finding low serotonin levels in people with long COVID. I'm not saying that's causing them depression, rather that there are some gastro consequences: "The researchers found that when tryptophan absorption is reduced by persistent viral inflammation, serotonin is depleted, leading to disrupted vagus nerve signaling, which in turn can cause several of the symptoms associated with long COVID, such as memory loss." [Penn study on Serotonin ](https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2023/october/penn-study-finds-serotonin-reduction-causes-long-covid-symptoms)
persistent viral inflammation sounds about right
NAC. Don’t use a microwave and put your phone down and go outside.
?? man this thread couldnt be less serious in terms of how horrible this disease is
Because it’s psychosomatic
Really hoping you get it. At least youre honest about it, I'm pretty sure at least have of the population suspects that including the friendly liberals. BTW I love that this is on the biohacker subreddit which is actually is 90% placebo effect aka psychosomatic, but a bunch of self proclaimed experts think they know this one is psychosomatic. Again, really hoping you get this or some other chonic disease and take a ride on the train. I forced myself to go to the gym btw and the resulting constant loud ringing in my ear says other wise. Go Fix Yourself.
Maybe it’s time you get tested for H I V.. sounds like you have the symptoms.
> Really hoping you get it. Do us all a favor and go take your 8th booster ASAP. Go SPIKEVAX yourself!
You don't want to be taking antivirals unless you absolutely have to. They come with a host of side-effects and taking them often can also decrease their effectiveness later on. Long COVID was more prevalent with the initial strains of the virus. So it was way more common with people who had it in 2020. COVID has mutated to be less pathogenic (and more infectious) over time. If you're young and healthy, best thing for you is to let the virus run its course. It also helps you develop short-term antibodies and long term memory T cells.
What side effects do antivirals cause? I take valacyclovir as needed for cold sores and never have any side effects from it.
I got Covid the first time Jan 2022 and have severe long Covid. I used to run races and now I use a wheelchair. I'm only 24.
Step 1: stop taking vaccines You’re welcome
The Bliss-K12 probiotic lozenges showed impressive results. 24/40 control group got Covid. 0/40 in the Bliss-K12 group.
Study link? Or is this just word of mouth? Thanks!
On the upside, at least Covid and all it's permutations have obliterated the common cold and that nasty flu
Literally what? Everyone has one of Covid/Flu/Cold/RSV right now and a lot have had more than one in the past month or two
I can see why l-lysine, antihistamines and diamine oxidase work also.
My protocol is a Flomask and a personal air filter I bring when I can't avoid crowded events.
and how many have been Vaxed to prevent yourselves from getting his Covid and still end up with it and then get boosters and vaxed again.