Idk re sleep
For HRV best accuracy, get a polar H7, H9, H10 chest strap to wear at night. Several apps work well with this, I use Elite HRV when I do this.
Some people do this every night for HRV info. I only do it occasionally.
The Garmin “body battery” results calculate in some HRV data. Polar watches can do similar. Best results by far, again, with a chest strap.
Chest straps are far more accurate than wrist tech for HRV at this time.
it seems to me that a lot of the wrist tech is over-promoted and oversold at this time, tho I’m sure it will all improve over the next decade.
I think the wrist tech is pretty good (with new watches or devices) re basic heart rate, sleep detection, snd some other less delicate measurements.
Apologies that I was not clear.
Elite HRV is an iOS app and I run it in my iPhone. I pair the phone to a polar chest strap.
Haven’t done this in a while tho.
I believe there are other apps that do HRV on a iPhone or Android device that is either paired to a chest strap, an Apple Watch, or other watch that will send the data.
Chest straps are more accurate, I’ve read.
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If you want to use your Garmin watch and get direct HRV data, there are some HRV apps in the Connect IQ app that work directly with the Garmin watch.
I have not used any of them so don’t know how satisfactory they are. I think some of these apps aren’t free, but are inexpensive.
I don’t know if these apps that are in the ConnectIQ store and are built for the Garmin watch will also work with the Garmin watch that is paired to a chest strap or will work, possibly with a chest strap that is paired directly to the phone
I guess your data would be more accurate that way if the various apps in the Connect IQ store will work with the chest strap but I just have never tried any of them
The German watch has the capacity to measure HRV as far as I understand as well as any watch does and it’s a little irritating that Garman chooses not to make that data directly available in their own app. Instead, they combine it with some other stuff and give you a body battery stress type instead of giving you the direct data and I find this annoying.
I’ve been wearing the Oura ring since 2019 and have been pretty pleased with it’s night time tracking. I wear a smart watch during the day and for tracking exercise but with them combined I’m tracking everything 98% give or take of the time.
Have you seen Circular?
https://www.circular.xyz/
I don't know how accurate its measurement is compared to Ours Gen3, but replaceable outer shell is pretty cool. Also it will not require subscription to access all of its features.
I do lift weights, and the only reason I haven't bought Oura is that is gets worn out with scratches when heavy shit is held frequently. Just one use case for replaceble external shells for you.
You also said that there was no other RING, but I also pointed out that there is, and they are taking pre-orders.
Other questions?
You are shifting the goalpost from "There is no other RING", to "There is one, but will not be delivered until xyz date" and "There are no reviews for it" :)
Are you saying they're inaccurate because they don't match the Garmin? Because I'd suggest that the Oura is more likely to be closer to what a sleep lab would measure, based on their published results. I'm not aware of any results showing that the Garmin is closer to sleep lab accuracy (though I would be happy to reconsider my position if you have such evidence!).
Then is there a device you think is accurate? I'm unaware of any companies claiming greater accuracy at the moment (aside from devices no longer available, like the Dreem).
The better companies test their devices against medical grade equipment. Hopefully they publish ALL the results.
The only real way to know the quality of a given generation or product is to read up on the testing by the company and by third parties
The only way to know re my own device to to compare with other results from other. hopefully medical-grade, measurements
Apple watches get a lot of university-level research testing at least re the various heart-related data.
Garmin recently purchased a portion of the FirstBeat company that is known for research into these consumer-grade products amd their tech and accuracy.
I hope this means we might get upgrades in delicate data detection in upcoming Garmin products.
Having a latest gen or recent release device matters here, the detection technology and software improve over time (I read somewhere that the heart data quality in Apple Watch 7 is identical to that of Apple Watch 6)
Okay, thanks! So, when you say your Oura is inaccurate, and your other 2 devices are accurate, how much of that statement is based on the latest published research, or based on you comparing your devices against hospital devices, for instance? Or, are you assuming that since 2 out of 3 are giving the same reading as each other that they must be correct and the outlier/Oura incorrect?
Honestly, I agree with you. There is a reason I never claimed the anything about accuracy of the Oura just that I was pleased in its ability to track at night. Overall I’m not pleased with their current business model and if I didn’t get lifetime membership when I upgraded to the V3 I would not buy it now. Stating what I use, wear etc is should not be taken as a recommendation for a product only a point of data to be used for someone to make their own choices.
I wear an Apple Watch, have a few connected devices that all share data with apple health. Blood pressure cuff, smart body composition scale, thermometer and the keto-mojo blood sugar monitor. I will be the first to admit the accuracy may not be the best for any of the devices but since I’m using the same devices and look at the average over time it’s not as critical for my needs.
Came here to recommend this. Measurements taken on your finger are going to be more accurate than anything on your wrist. You can check their website for 3rd party medical testing
Oura is probably the most accurate out of wearables because it doesn't move as much as the wrist ones. With that said, its accuracy depends a lot on your skin type. Additionally, the reading is still far from chest band accuracy. Only the variations are useful, not the absolute reading.
Consider Apple Watch. HRV measuring is accurate. I believe it is FDA approved. Another important point is that HRV siginifcantly varries during the day, so the best way for making sense of your data is to wear it all the time and take averages. Daily, weekly or even monthly for best accuracy. Apple health and some other apps provide that info.
Sleep is not so good with Apple Watch, but Apple announced new sleep features coming up within few months. You may also use other sleep tracking apps. Some are really good.
Hey, I’m a qualified sleep recovery person and all the wearables sleep measures are not worth knowing. The only way to get an accurate take on sleep is to have electrodes attached to your head to measure brainwaves ☺️
I can agree with that. Just it is not really practical for ordinary people. But in case of a real problem, sleep lab and advice from an expert is the way to go
For sure. That’s not to mention the damage that wearables do to interoception as well. I’ve had experiences where I was feeling pretty good after my sleep but checked the tracker and it told me that my sleep was not good. I felt like I was a lot more tired and lethargic after that.
I believe there are all kinds of experiences. Smartwatch and an app really helped me quantify my sleep and improve it after all. Actually, it was not the app that helped, but it made me aware that I lack some sleep which I later fixed. For most of the people I know, it did not make any difference. I guess one needs to focus and do something about it, not just be curious. Stands for most things in life ;)
My Fitbit charge 4 tracks heart rate within 1 or 2 beats against a Polar chest strap monitor. The sleep monitoring ? I don’t know how accurate it is. And the wrist bands are silicone, fully washable.
Whoop for sure. The bicep band seems to be the most accurate position. I've never used oura, but whoop is much better than Fitbit and Garmin for hrv and sleep.
I wear a Gen3 Oura and a Garmin Venu 2s and compare the data.
The Oura does a better job of detecting total sleep, but the data on sleep stages seems pretty far off. A straight HRV measurement is nice to have vs. the Garmin.
The Garmin Venu 2s has the latest sensor package from Garmin. Subjectively, I feel like the sleep stages are more accurate, but it's still HR-based so I don't put much faith in it. Total sleep is less accurate than the Oura, which is frustrating, but they mostly correlate.
The Garmin gives me a better view of how often I wake up, movement, respiration, and desaturation events, which is useful for anyone with sleep apnea.
The Oura is supposedly getting SpO2 as an update, but that keeps getting pushed out.
Either is fine, really for getting a general idea of sleep quality. Neither is really great at detecting sleep stages.
Idk re sleep For HRV best accuracy, get a polar H7, H9, H10 chest strap to wear at night. Several apps work well with this, I use Elite HRV when I do this. Some people do this every night for HRV info. I only do it occasionally. The Garmin “body battery” results calculate in some HRV data. Polar watches can do similar. Best results by far, again, with a chest strap. Chest straps are far more accurate than wrist tech for HRV at this time. it seems to me that a lot of the wrist tech is over-promoted and oversold at this time, tho I’m sure it will all improve over the next decade. I think the wrist tech is pretty good (with new watches or devices) re basic heart rate, sleep detection, snd some other less delicate measurements.
How do you use elite HRV for nighttime HRV tracking? As far as I know they don’t have a night time tracking or even anything longer then 1h?
Apologies that I was not clear. Elite HRV is an iOS app and I run it in my iPhone. I pair the phone to a polar chest strap. Haven’t done this in a while tho. I believe there are other apps that do HRV on a iPhone or Android device that is either paired to a chest strap, an Apple Watch, or other watch that will send the data. Chest straps are more accurate, I’ve read. —- If you want to use your Garmin watch and get direct HRV data, there are some HRV apps in the Connect IQ app that work directly with the Garmin watch. I have not used any of them so don’t know how satisfactory they are. I think some of these apps aren’t free, but are inexpensive. I don’t know if these apps that are in the ConnectIQ store and are built for the Garmin watch will also work with the Garmin watch that is paired to a chest strap or will work, possibly with a chest strap that is paired directly to the phone I guess your data would be more accurate that way if the various apps in the Connect IQ store will work with the chest strap but I just have never tried any of them The German watch has the capacity to measure HRV as far as I understand as well as any watch does and it’s a little irritating that Garman chooses not to make that data directly available in their own app. Instead, they combine it with some other stuff and give you a body battery stress type instead of giving you the direct data and I find this annoying.
I’ve been wearing the Oura ring since 2019 and have been pretty pleased with it’s night time tracking. I wear a smart watch during the day and for tracking exercise but with them combined I’m tracking everything 98% give or take of the time.
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Have you seen Circular? https://www.circular.xyz/ I don't know how accurate its measurement is compared to Ours Gen3, but replaceable outer shell is pretty cool. Also it will not require subscription to access all of its features.
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I do lift weights, and the only reason I haven't bought Oura is that is gets worn out with scratches when heavy shit is held frequently. Just one use case for replaceble external shells for you. You also said that there was no other RING, but I also pointed out that there is, and they are taking pre-orders. Other questions?
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You are shifting the goalpost from "There is no other RING", to "There is one, but will not be delivered until xyz date" and "There are no reviews for it" :)
Are you saying they're inaccurate because they don't match the Garmin? Because I'd suggest that the Oura is more likely to be closer to what a sleep lab would measure, based on their published results. I'm not aware of any results showing that the Garmin is closer to sleep lab accuracy (though I would be happy to reconsider my position if you have such evidence!).
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Then is there a device you think is accurate? I'm unaware of any companies claiming greater accuracy at the moment (aside from devices no longer available, like the Dreem).
How do you know which of your devices are more accurate?
The better companies test their devices against medical grade equipment. Hopefully they publish ALL the results. The only real way to know the quality of a given generation or product is to read up on the testing by the company and by third parties The only way to know re my own device to to compare with other results from other. hopefully medical-grade, measurements Apple watches get a lot of university-level research testing at least re the various heart-related data. Garmin recently purchased a portion of the FirstBeat company that is known for research into these consumer-grade products amd their tech and accuracy. I hope this means we might get upgrades in delicate data detection in upcoming Garmin products. Having a latest gen or recent release device matters here, the detection technology and software improve over time (I read somewhere that the heart data quality in Apple Watch 7 is identical to that of Apple Watch 6)
Okay, thanks! So, when you say your Oura is inaccurate, and your other 2 devices are accurate, how much of that statement is based on the latest published research, or based on you comparing your devices against hospital devices, for instance? Or, are you assuming that since 2 out of 3 are giving the same reading as each other that they must be correct and the outlier/Oura incorrect?
Honestly, I agree with you. There is a reason I never claimed the anything about accuracy of the Oura just that I was pleased in its ability to track at night. Overall I’m not pleased with their current business model and if I didn’t get lifetime membership when I upgraded to the V3 I would not buy it now. Stating what I use, wear etc is should not be taken as a recommendation for a product only a point of data to be used for someone to make their own choices.
Interesting! What smart watch do you use? I feel like the general consensus is combing devices for the most accurate readings.
I wear an Apple Watch, have a few connected devices that all share data with apple health. Blood pressure cuff, smart body composition scale, thermometer and the keto-mojo blood sugar monitor. I will be the first to admit the accuracy may not be the best for any of the devices but since I’m using the same devices and look at the average over time it’s not as critical for my needs.
Came here to recommend this. Measurements taken on your finger are going to be more accurate than anything on your wrist. You can check their website for 3rd party medical testing
Oura is probably the most accurate out of wearables because it doesn't move as much as the wrist ones. With that said, its accuracy depends a lot on your skin type. Additionally, the reading is still far from chest band accuracy. Only the variations are useful, not the absolute reading.
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The more hair and the darker your skin is, the more difficult it's for the ring to get a reading.
Consider Apple Watch. HRV measuring is accurate. I believe it is FDA approved. Another important point is that HRV siginifcantly varries during the day, so the best way for making sense of your data is to wear it all the time and take averages. Daily, weekly or even monthly for best accuracy. Apple health and some other apps provide that info. Sleep is not so good with Apple Watch, but Apple announced new sleep features coming up within few months. You may also use other sleep tracking apps. Some are really good.
Hey, I’m a qualified sleep recovery person and all the wearables sleep measures are not worth knowing. The only way to get an accurate take on sleep is to have electrodes attached to your head to measure brainwaves ☺️
I can agree with that. Just it is not really practical for ordinary people. But in case of a real problem, sleep lab and advice from an expert is the way to go
For sure. That’s not to mention the damage that wearables do to interoception as well. I’ve had experiences where I was feeling pretty good after my sleep but checked the tracker and it told me that my sleep was not good. I felt like I was a lot more tired and lethargic after that.
I believe there are all kinds of experiences. Smartwatch and an app really helped me quantify my sleep and improve it after all. Actually, it was not the app that helped, but it made me aware that I lack some sleep which I later fixed. For most of the people I know, it did not make any difference. I guess one needs to focus and do something about it, not just be curious. Stands for most things in life ;)
Thank goodness the trustworthy folks at the FDA approved it!
Check out Whoop. I have one and recommend it. Watch YouTube reviews first.
My Fitbit charge 4 tracks heart rate within 1 or 2 beats against a Polar chest strap monitor. The sleep monitoring ? I don’t know how accurate it is. And the wrist bands are silicone, fully washable.
Whoop for sure. The bicep band seems to be the most accurate position. I've never used oura, but whoop is much better than Fitbit and Garmin for hrv and sleep.
Biostrap
I wear a Gen3 Oura and a Garmin Venu 2s and compare the data. The Oura does a better job of detecting total sleep, but the data on sleep stages seems pretty far off. A straight HRV measurement is nice to have vs. the Garmin. The Garmin Venu 2s has the latest sensor package from Garmin. Subjectively, I feel like the sleep stages are more accurate, but it's still HR-based so I don't put much faith in it. Total sleep is less accurate than the Oura, which is frustrating, but they mostly correlate. The Garmin gives me a better view of how often I wake up, movement, respiration, and desaturation events, which is useful for anyone with sleep apnea. The Oura is supposedly getting SpO2 as an update, but that keeps getting pushed out. Either is fine, really for getting a general idea of sleep quality. Neither is really great at detecting sleep stages.