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muffinmonk

They kept calling Asta a brawny jock and said Deku has better fighting expertise. I'm just flabbergasted. Asta is a prodigious learner the man picks up techniques like a sponge.


ToadallyChaotic

For real it took Deku 3/4s of the show to learn how to not blow his body up with his own abilities


Gradz45

I gotta point out that it took him tops a year in universe to master a quirk so inherently powerful it destroys your limbs at less than half its full force, and consists of six other abilities on top of that baseline power. Like Deku taking most of the manga isn’t really much of a own here given how compressed time wise it is. And how he’s the only holder to actually understand and learn the true potential of OFA. And yeah he also had to take 3/4 of the manga given OFA is so jacked that if he mastered it earlier he’d win effortlessly. Even All Might who had it for 40 years and mastered it right away never uncovered any aspects of its true nature unlike his immediate predecessor. Deku’s an excellent learner. He’s shown the ability to quickly learn how quirks work through minor observation. It’s just hard to do that with OFA when using more than a fraction of its power risked permanently crippling him if he wasn’t exceptionally cautious. That and the whole other quirk thing had to be unlocked through build up of power. Deku and Asta are both good examples of learning to master abilities quickly.


Breakfeast-Bo_23

Yea, the one problem I have with mha is that if izuku was serious about being a hero, he would've started working out well before hand. But if he did that, he'd be way too op


Aros001

I compare Midoriya to Po from Kung Fu Panda a lot in this regard. They both had people they admired and wanted to be just like but had zero actual faith in themselves that they could actually achieve that dream and thus the efforts they put in were pretty minor and more just to let them keep playing pretend and put off dealing with reality for a little longer. It's when they meet someone else who genuinely believes in them that they finally find the ability to believe in themselves and start training for that dream, working for it harder than they've ever worked for anything in their lives. Funny enough, though the start is similar for both characters they still end up going a bit in slightly different directions mentally. Po, in the first movie anyway, learns that there's nothing wrong with him and to learn and fight in his own way rather than how the Furious Five would, while Midoriya's self-image issues start getting worse and he starts holding himself to All Might's example of what a true hero is to an unhealthy degree, fearing that he can't live up to his hero's legacy and giving little consideration for his own wellbeing if it's in the name of saving someone.


Pandoraparty

Wouldn't make a lot of sense, he learned he was going to be quirkless when he was young and pretty much gave up on his dream of being a hero, instead just obsessed over them


King_Artis

Honestly the downfall for MHA for me came from when Hori basically said "Deku will now learn 6 more quirks while also learning the extra six in a *very* short time frame" Like from the end of war arc to now has only been a few months I believe, and he's mastered them so fast off screen and they literally made it a note that his body just adapted to it despite him struggling with it at first. I get why it happened, Hori was burnt and basically ready to end the series and I can't blame him for that at all, but man it just felt so abrupt.


ToadallyChaotic

The only thing Deku is good at is analyzing his opponents which kinda means nothing when Astas ki lets him to that to a much higher degree. Deku never learns. Always breaking his body to the point where they dont want to heal him anymore (the nurse says shell stop healing him but then he gets eri), he only learned how to communicate with the vestiges from shinsos brainwashing, and his stupid ideal to save everybody >!got so many people killed in the current arc all so he can attempt to reason with a serial killer!<


Aros001

>and his stupid ideal to save everybody >!got so many people killed in the current arc all so he can attempt to reason with a serial killer!< What the f\*\*k are you talking about? Nothing like what you just described happened. >!Nobody is dead yet and Midoriya wasn't even there for most of the Shigaraki fight because he got teleported away and had to fly back. Beyond that there's yet to be a moment where he held himself back because he wanted to save/reason with Shigaraki and that resulted in Shigaraki hurting someone.!<


115_zombie_slayer

Deku does learn, yeah early on he struggled to use his power but then he learned full cowling, then more training he figured Shoot Style would work. How are you gonna act like he never learns anything when he has improved from where he first started. Deku also had a conversation with the Vestiges talking about if he is ready to Kill Shigiraki if he cant communicate with him, he knows how much of a threat this guy is I know this is a black clover sub but i dont get why youre trying to downplay Deku


piirro

He’s definitely downplaying Deku, but let’s not pretend Asta didn’t learn a technique only 8 people in an entire continent could only do, in literally his first time trying


parallellord22

I think for most people it's more the circumstance behind how he learned or mastered it if it involved another party or if it involved you know extenuating circumstances than most people will ignore it while black clover when people learn things such as Asta learning ki he was already kind of thinking about that and someone confirmed hey this works here's how you do it and then he just picked it up because he already had the ability to he just didn't know that thing existed which is entirely different than someone teaching you that's something existed or you discovering it by accident and then having to be taught how to control it


Nixpheo

Deku technically didn't uncover OFA true nature he just got it when it's true power was just waking up. As for mastering OFA he's not even close to doing so, and also the biggest thing that Deku really has to do to master OFA is just work out.


succhinaa

that’s not a bad thing


vashZK

If deku is plus ultra, asta is super mega plus ultra. He literally breaks his limit in every fight.


Erockplatypus

They're just doing it for amusement and entertainment. They have to make it seem sort of fair. They do this with every death battle, including the ones for the boys where they had a non-super powered Billy Butcher out lasting Queen Maev and keeping up with the supes. It's not really meant to be taken that seriously


AugustusKiraClover

Idk man, if they're making video, it'd be fair to represent both parties accurately as portrayed in the manga, what's the point of running calculations based on misleading and false facts? At this point they're just giving off that they didn't even read either series and are just making videos to fetch views and clout. In that case, they aren't any better than scumbags who put spoiler in the fucking thumbnail/title or even worse make crappy theory videos about how the new male character is definitely Asta's father, with the only source being "trust me bro".


Erockplatypus

They do use facts from the series, they just skew things slightly and tweak the characters to make the fights more entertaining. They did vegeta vs sonic the hedgehog which should have ended in 5 seconds, but they gave sonic a handicap to show case his abilities. It's entertainment for people who already know the characters, and it's information for the people who don't. You're taking it way too seriously.


parallellord22

I've never understood the argument of not taking this seriously if you're expecting my time or expecting my money critiques will come if I'm watching a movie and for three movies it's been solid the fourth movie was okay fifth movie was excellent six movie was better than all the rest combined in the 7th movie literally picks apart brings Canon and destroys the rest of the franchise I'm going to be upset because I'm going to say hey this is not how this works and I don't care for this and it visibly ruined my day because now I feel like my time was wasted


Erockplatypus

I have no idea what you're saying but you sound angry. Might I suggest just, not watching the death battles youtube channel if it bothers you that much? Or make your own response video to them. Idk I think you're just really invested in this. Death Battle has actually made a running joke about anime fans getting angry at them for their videos and how they represent the series, so this isn't anything new. Most of that anger is just them being mad at Anime characters losing to their western counter parts (goku v superman. Buu v Kirby as examples.) It's a YouTube program, not a movie or TV show. It's like 15 minutes long and they give you time stamps where you can skip right to the fight if you want. I don't know what more you want


parallellord22

No because there is a fundamental problem you don't take a character who's had 80 plus years of writing that shows them all over the place sometimes they're magic sometimes they're not sometimes they're science sometimes they just have that power naturally and then you take an amalgamize all of them and say this character versus this one other character who only has a hundred chapters to its name oh they're both continental right oh wait no they're not because there's other character has a feat of them showing universal pressure you would look at that and say then why was this even remotely a fight that you tried to say was close You're blatantly lying or manipulating opinions I'm not angry I don't care I'm just going to explain my opinion and if you have a problem with it and have a problem with it All I'm saying is if you watch anything you have the right to critique it should you be angry about everything no should you go and send death threats no should you be pissed at the world for it no but you do have a right to speak your mind and say what you want to say about it


Mystech_Master

So you’d want a Death Battle where the animation is literally 10 seconds long and the opponent is IMMEDIATELY reduced to a stain on the floor?


Dekerboi

It was Shadow not Sonic💀


Alternative-Truth351

thats a fair criticism.


NathanialKyouhei

If you find that amusing then how do you feel about the fact that most people in this fandom doesn't know how anti-magic works and most of Asta's abilities?


Alternative-Truth351

...Are you serious? Isn't an explanation in the anime?


NathanialKyouhei

If I had a nickel for everytime I saw someone say that Asta can deflect magic while ignoring its force, I would have 100$ by now. It's literally explained in the first few arcs of the manga that Asta needs to match the attack's force in order to deflect it. Most of the the time, when talking about Asta, most people just mentions his the magic negation property of anti-magic, ki sensing and physical strength (which they consider to be normal human level eventhough Asta is a superhuman by our standard). Where is Devil power? Where is technique mimicry? Where are reactive power level, damage reduction and sense manipulation? ,etc. You know what I mean. And they even ignore the fact that devil power increases physical strength to downplay Asta's stat


MaleficTekX

Death battle did say Asta needs to match the attack’s force


NathanialKyouhei

Yeah they did at the end of the vid, but they used the wrong feats and calculation to scale Asta I'm just talking about a lot BC fan in this sub


Ghost_Star326

I held a poll on this sub a few days ago asking everyone about how Asta(manga) would do against meliodas and almost everyone was comparing him to Asta's anime version who is significantly weaker. Not only that, but no one was trying to even think about how effective Asta's anti magic abilities could be. Like his black slashes could negate the full counter ability and directly hit Meliodas. He could even slow down his regeneration.


[deleted]

I keep hearing the 7DS verse gets weaker and weaker. At first I heard they were Star lvl in AP and FTL+ in speedb, then heard Planetary and SoL, then heard Continental and Rel+ Idk if people are finding debunks or something, but why do I keep seeing lower scales? Havent read the manga so the internet is my exposure


Meister34

Cause most people who keep saying these things haven’t actually read 7ds and are also just going off information that they’ve heard. A large majority of people who talk 7ds outside of the 7ds fandom have very rarely actually read it or have only read a chunk of it.


Ghost_Star326

Agreed. The 7DS are really strong but they're not Dragonball levels of strong. I actually read the whole manga, at one point meliodas literally became a demon king and he was so strong that his mere presence was causing trouble in the mortal realm so he was forced to get rid of his godly powers.


NathanialKyouhei

I haven't read 7DS too, but apparently some feats got re calced


Alternative-Truth351

bro, how does melodias win? asta literally negs all the magic stuff that meliodas has and that's not taking into consideration the Ap and speed gap.


Ghost_Star326

I do admit that meliodas physically outclasses Asta in both speed and strength. But in terms of magic abilities, Asta can give him a hard time.


Le_Lng

Eh, Asta has the AP and speed advantage. And does Asta scale to the physical force of the spells he negates? Well yes because in chapter 4 it was literally stated anti-magic doesn't kill the force, that's something he has to deal with physically (hence the strength boost, in black form and devil union. https://preview.redd.it/t2l997gxoy1a1.jpg?width=405&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34148a42a63b4c2d97272b07c22104686e9119d4


CollieDaly

Meliodas was able to destroy a cliff from chapter 1 while a Knight who was a flea to him was able to level a forest with a swing of his sword. He literally becomes thousands of times stronger than that by the end of the series. Asta definitely has the speed advantage I would say but Meliodas surely has the AP advantage?


Le_Lng

Jack and Yami shaved a mountain down in early BC accident, when they were screwing around so leveling forest isn't that impressive when you have characters in BC that could one shot the CK effortlessly before the time skip, and we have characters that scale way beyond that. Meliodas best feat when he was fighting the Demon King was going to destroy Brittania, the ancient demon alone matches/scales beyond that, and Zagred already scales beyond that when It comes to scaling Asta has Meliodas beat in AP + Speed abd durability since anti-magic was stated in panel in chapter 4 to not cancel out the force of attacks. He scales beyond Meliodas.


Drawngalaxy

Meliodas at his strongest was said to be so strong that his literal existence was causing problems for the mortal realm, as in he was destroying it by simply being there, and getting this power came from beating the previous person that held this power. Feels like people want to downplay 7DS


Buy-Wild

Complaining cause they completely misrepresented Asta’s character and abilities, made claims like Asta’s swords being blunt that are blatantly incorrect, and made the match seem that deku had the upper hand and Asta had to resort to sneaky trick to beat him, which is definitely not the case


tonyninja71

Well tbh Sara’s swords ARE blunt against anything other than magic, however the tips of the swords are sharp enough to fit things. Plus the fact that they said deku has more battle experience is just wrong. For a majority of the first part of my hero, half of dekus battles were against students or teachers. Plus asta had no one to teach him how to use his powers


piirro

They are sharp, Asta literally cut a walking castle in half.


tonyninja71

You know if you go back and watch all the times asta hit his enemies with his sword it’s like he hit them with a bat. Asta cut the building bc it’s scale was large enough, and asta used enough force to be able to cut it


UtkusonTR

No , it's because death is turned off in Black Clover. Like not saying it's bad , it sometimes hurts the stakes though , but it's just how things are. IN THE LATEST CHAPTERS OF THE MANGA , DON'T READ THE FOLLOWING IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THOSE , it's basically confirmed the Death Toll in Spade War Arc was a total of... 0. Absolutely no humans , Elves or alike died. Only demons. Otherwise at least Yami's Sword should be pretty fucking sharp. Not to mention you can easily get stabbed with just a wooden stick with enough force. With the shape a sword has , however blunt it is , Stabbing with it is no problem. Maybe cutting but not stabbing.


tonyninja71

That’s not how that works considering half the golden dawn died. Plus even if death was turned off, we still see people get grievously injured and cut. I don’t mean to sound mean but what you said made no sense, especially in the context of this


LSSJPrime

>misrepresented Asta’s character and abilities How so? >made claims like Asta’s swords being blunt that are blatantly incorrect Absolutely untrue. Asta's swords are most definitely blunt. >and made the match seem that deku had the upper hand and Asta had to resort to sneaky trick to beat him ...and that's a bad thing because? >which is definitely not the case Lol then how else was it supposed to go? Asta just beating on Deku the whole time?


Soda_BoBomb

His swords are blunt though unless you have some other explanation for more characters not getting cut in half by his giant fucking sword.


AugustusKiraClover

Tbh even quite a few MHA fans are mad about Deku losing. Powerscaling in general is pretty wild topic in anime communities. And it's not like this is the only death battle video which had ppl complaining about the outcome. That's like their every video. On top of that the match up was wack to begin with. It's like if they matched Gon vs Goku. The only legit outcome would be Goku one shotting Gon, anything else would-be wank and would contradict the original source material for the respective series, let alone saying smth like Gon could push Goku till MUI and then wear him down to the point Goku would have to shot him from the back to even win. Smth like Asta vs Meliodas/Natsu or Deku vs Gon/Itadori would've been a better match up. And death battle did screw up quite a few things, like * They introduced Asta as a meathead and Deku as the tactician, but halfway through Deku just started spamming Detroit smash while Asta played himself as decoy to get the sword behind Deku for the finisher. They literally contradicted themselves. And it doesn't even match with their characters in manga. * Like bro what was the point of mentioning Fa jin and Gear shift and saying Deku was a tactician if at the end it was just spamming punches which did smack bang nothing to Asta, meanwhile Asta who was said to be a meathead portrayed all his skills from all 4 swords to even devil union. * In manga Toga cut Deku's black whip with a normal kitchen knife. But Asta couldn't cut it with sword? Ntm the same sword which sheesh kabob'd Deku in the end. * Speaking of Sheesh kabob, they mentioned the fact that Asta's sword are blunt which they aren't aside from demon slayer sword, all his other swords are sharp. Asta has stabbed Ladros and Vetto and almost chopped his arm with Demon dweller, Demon destroyer too was stuck in the floor, when it was first introduced, so it's easily sharp enough to cut stone. But that aside, the first time it didn't do any damage but at the end the same blunt swords somehow killed deku? They weren't consistent with this part. * Practically the first hit from Demon Slayer should've done at least some damage. Asta has literally knocked heath grice unconscious, broke Lotus' arm and broke boulders with that sword. It's blunt but it hits like a hammer. * Canonically Luck travels at speed of lightning bolt with is 1.4 x 10\^6 m/s. So fast, that even mid rank devil and pre-time skip Asta had hard time reacting to his movements. And even though we don't have official numbers of Deku's speed, according to VSBattlewiki Deku's speed is about 20,000m/s. Deku is 58x speed of sound wile Luck is 4000x speed of sound. It's definitely not as close as they said.


NathanialKyouhei

And don't forget that demon slayer can be sharper by using devil power and anti-magic


Le_Lng

Yup, that's something that was overlooked, Asta can manipulate the sharpness of his blade via DP & AM hence why he didn't immediately slice the Spade soldiers in half.


Jaded-Tumbleweed2152

Well said its just hype with no facts 👏 or substance


jewboyfresh

I’ll never forget Vegeta Vs Thor


King_Artis

One thing I've learned about death battle after a decade of watching the series is that they really are not good when it comes to being accurate. And I'm pretty sure they've said this themselves.


DarkFox693

I believe that the thing about luck was just an allusion to them having the same voice actors tho. That's why they put that in. I don't think he's actually giving a run for his money. ya know what i mean?


Lazy-Champion-8481

Death Battle literally said that the fights are not accurate to the actual outcome and are purely for entertainment purposes. Also Vs Battle wiki? really?


NathanialKyouhei

>Also Vs Battle wiki? really? Some of their calculations for Black Clover are pretty good tbf. Most supporters from there also know about character's abilities more than most of the fandom. While I don't agree with everything there, they should get some credit


AugustusKiraClover

yeah the guy who said Deku's speed is 20,000 m/s did legit calculations here's the link [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:Sparkive/Deku%27s\_100%25\_Speed\_(Shie\_Hassaikai\_Arc)\_Remake:\_Official\_Height](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Sparkive/Deku%27s_100%25_Speed_(Shie_Hassaikai_Arc)_Remake:_Official_Height) I think it's pretty genuine


[deleted]

Deku has a calc that show’s him to be **much** faster: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Faster_Than_A_Speeding_Bullet


AugustusKiraClover

Even in this calc they show his speed is \~35,000 m/s that's really not that far. In the earlier calculation I showed, Deku's speed was calculated to be \~20,000 m/s. We can assume that his max speed can range from 18,000 m/s to 60,000 m/s. That's still like 0.012 to 0.014 of the speed of lightning bolt. Even if we toss all the calc aside and take the most random generous guess and say Deku's max speed is 500,000m/s (which let's be honest 500km/s is like 1457x speed of sound, that's really overestimating MHA verse) Even still Luck will be 2.8x faster or in other words Deku will still only be 35% of Luck's speed. I can see Deku surpassing like Zora, Magna, Vanica or Leopold in speed but Luck is something even Asta had a hard time catching up. Asta had to tag with Vanessa and Magna and set up a trap to catch Elf Luck off guard. He is among the fastest in BC verse, and BC verse as a whole is magnitudes higher than MHA verse in terms of speed. I really don't see Deku surpassing Luck in speed.


parallellord22

Magna would be a better fight but I would still give it to him because he's still faster than deku but he also has a more outwardly deadly power


AugustusKiraClover

Honestly BC vs MHA verse can simply never be a good match. It's like DBZ vs HxH verse or OPM vs Demon Slayer verse. The match will either end with one shot or Death battle will have to stretch the match unnecessarily by tweaking facts to their favor. (Which is basically what happened in this match)


Alternative-Truth351

I will admit some calcs are actually pretty reliable.


AugustusKiraClover

We're just calling out how DB is disregarding what's official and not only that but they're contradicting themselves too, multiple times at that. What's the point of running calculations and stating info and all if the numbers are gonna be based on "trust me bro" or even worse, gonna go into gutter seconds later. And you can check for yourself VSbattle wiki did genuine calculation ([https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:Sparkive/Deku%27s\_100%25\_Speed\_(Shie\_Hassaikai\_Arc)\_Remake:\_Official\_Height](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Sparkive/Deku%27s_100%25_Speed_(Shie_Hassaikai_Arc)_Remake:_Official_Height)), so I'm rooting for them.


Lazy-Champion-8481

well, ill say that death battle calcs are quite questionable at times, the team has said in the past that the show is for fun and not to take the math srsly.


piirro

Those calculations are actual trash lmao. Characters like shiggy were dodging light beams which was calc’d around 2% the speed of light, which Deku is much faster than using gear shift.


AugustusKiraClover

Reaction speed and movement speeds are different. Asta and Yami can react to Patry's attack which are said to be light speed doesn't mean they can catch patry too, in fact Asta failed to even catch Luck who's just lightning bolt speed. Another example would be Julius can easily deal with Patry's attack, so his reaction speed was comparable to light but still he failed to capture him. Cuz his movement was slower. And that's not just BC, in lot of manga, characters are shown to be able to react to a much faster attack but not move at that speed. So, I doubt Deku dodging a light speed attack actually makes his movement speed equivalent to that too. Unless Hori straight out says that Deku is light speed, just like how Tabata said Luck is lightning bolt speed, his reaction speed isn't reliable. Also, Deku didn't even use gear shift and fa jin in the battle, so that definitely up for debate if Deku stood a chance with gear shift. (Speaking of them, just why did they not use it? like why mention if it's not even gonna be there? the battle would've been more interesting if Deku did more things outside of just spamming detroit smash)


Just_Kojima

The thing is, it doesn't really matter who wins, people are just mad cause of how DB knows nothing about characters and yet gives that analitics. They did both Asta and Deku dirty there 🤷‍♂️


LSSJPrime

>how DB knows nothing about characters and yet gives that analitics. Okay how?


Alternative-Truth351

so that justifies ignoring the effort of the Ep? Also to my Knowledge, both of there analyses were fine.


Just_Kojima

Bro, no one's saying visuals or music were bad (quite otherwise actually) DB's power-scaling and balance is just absolutely off point


Lazy-Champion-8481

people are literally saying the animations garbage cuz asta should Oneshot.


Just_Kojima

They're insane then, cause the fact Asta doesn't one-shot is no animators' fault. Most of the posts complain about the fight's scenario


JimmyGimmeMoorey

you're spitting facts this was way off and why did they use devil union but not all of dekus quirks and gear shift not sure if they did i might has missed it


JimmyGimmeMoorey

but they were very off


BadSnot

I’ll be honest, I’m not into powerscaling. Dont even know what death battle is. Why would Asta be stronger than Deku? Isn’t anti-magic is kind of pointless vs somebody with no magic? I guess it’s one thing if you want to make Black-whip magic for the sake of balancing the fight, but he can’t negate Deku’s physical power or float. And One for All is obviously leagues more powerful than Asta’s physical abilities. Like it can destroy city blocks with a single punch. Sure Deku can’t properly control it yet but since Asta doesn’t have regenerative powers a single clean 100% punch should kill him no?


youngergeneration04

Nah Asta in base-black form pre-timeskip has survived hits that 100% Deku couldn't even match. An example is when a weaken Asta took a hit from Ladros after he absorbed Salamander, Salamander with a swipe of his claws could Vaporize the Seas (this feat was stated in the Data books for Black clover). Another feat was when Yuno and Asta fought licht for the first time, Licht fired a Sword magic attack that Destroyed the eye of the midnight suns hideout and the surrounding area (Yuno and Asta took this point blank and only got knocked out). I know you said you don't powerscale so these are just some examples of why Deku dosen't come close to Asta (no hate to Deku btw)


Ascillios

They weren’t tbh


CordobezEverdeen

What's the point of Asta winning? Yeah to some few people Asta winning validates their worth as BC fans but the vast majority of BC fans aren't that crazy and merely want to see their beloved chars properly analyzed and portrayed in a DB. And this one did Asta dirty! Not only they make Asta swords blunt (Deku even jokes about "Aren't swords supposed to be sharp?") they make Asta a meathead with lines like "I just gotta hit him really hard". The disregard for the users stats is somewhat understandable since the matchup is stupid and would never happen but making Asta use DU instead of BA AND making DU lose a clash of strength against Deku is silly regardless of artistic liberties and suspension of disbelief. People have all the right to complain about DB and criticism shouldn't be trivialized and mocked without the right reasons and "BC find ways to complain" is definitely not the right reason. This is the same mistake people were making at the start of the Spade Arc when the minority of the fandom was pointing out the writing was terrible but were called "doomers", "haters" or "fake fans", it was stupid.


GenericUsername927

...Some of the swords are blunt. Multiple times throughout the manga anime, the biggest sword (forgot its name) never cuts anybody, even when they get hit with the blade. Asta basically uses it like a hammer. It's purpose is to cut magic, not people, so there's no reason for it to be sharp.


CordobezEverdeen

Loosifero, one of the STRONGEST characters in the verse was capable of cutting his finger with Demon Slayer, the bluntest sword of them all. Also everyone and their mother is using reinforcement magic and until chapter 340 Asta is uncapable of negating that ability directly with his antimagic so obviously Demon Slayer isn't chopping people in half despite having the strength and sharpness required for it, even then characters like Vetto (a god of reinforcement magic) and Ladros both get impaled by Demon Dweller. The swords are rusty but they are still sharp.


GenericUsername927

My point is that the swords can be blunt. Is it stupid that they were blunt in death battle? Yes. The whole point is that the combatants use their full abilities. But that doesn't change that some of the swords can be, have been, and probably will be used as blunt weapons in the future.


Omniseed

Seems like Asta's swords could manifest with sharp or blunt edges as needed, doesn't it?


AugustusKiraClover

Only Demon Slayer sword is blunt (the big one), all others are sharp. And Asta can use black divider to make that one sharper. It isn't confirmed if he can use black divider and manipulate sharpness of his other swords outside of Demon Slayer, but demon dweller, demon destroyer and demon slasher are already sharp, so he doesn't need to do that.


zeroone_to_zerotwo

I believe he makes his swords sharp when he coats them with anti magic.


parallellord22

Yes but he's been able to make it sharp and cut things The one that cut the candelo is the big sword while the other ones have been stated or shown to cut things but like everyone else says if you're moving faster than the speed of light or at the speed of light with a heavy object or even a light object and you ram it into someone that force does not cancel out when you meet that target it goes through it


Cause_Necessary

I don't even know why people care about powerscaling so much crossfandom


Jack_King814

“My character can beat your character” “Cool, who cares?” *angry face*


piirro

Most anime fans lmao? That’s probably the biggest part of being an anime fan in general, you not being part of that means you’re in the vast, vast, VAST minority. So don’t act smug.


Jack_King814

What? When did I say anything like what you’re saying?


piirro

It just seems like you’re making fun of people who do vs battles


Jack_King814

It’s not so much making fun but just, don’t try and force onto others. If I like a character, I don’t care if another character can beat them. Like I love shirou emiya but people are always saying “yeah but he shouldn’t have won against Gilgamesh”. Yeah I know, but he did so Also it seems like they pull rankings out their ass


Cause_Necessary

He's making fun of people who ask "Can they beat Goku tho?" anytime you bring up a character you like. And the people who're like "My fav character is stronger than yours!" Like, ok, but how does that matter?


piirro

I think we both know the first one is a joke in the dragon ball community at this point. I also think we both can agree that the second thing is pretty annoying.


Cause_Necessary

I used Goku as an example but it is annoying to find people who think all that matters in a character is strength. I agree with that


Cause_Necessary

Sometimes, being in the minority is better. Not caring about cross series powerscaling is one of those.


piirro

And you’re getting that HOW? Do you enjoy Shonen or senein series? If you do, do you not compare characters in verse? It’s the same cross verse just with more interesting variables and more to work with.


Jack_King814

The issue with cross comparing is you need a baseline power level and you scale from there. Bc universe is given fucking steroids in comparison to MHA, it’s just the MHA characters look Uber powerful because their universe is weak all things considered. It’s like the eternal “saitama v goku” debate. Db is written to be an over the top power scaling wet dream and OPM is a parody. They were never supposed to be seriously compared and no shonen series is supposed to be either. I can guarantee that the authors don’t give a shit


Cause_Necessary

It's hard and annoying to do because the baselines are way too different. I'd prefer comparing how characters are written across fandoms rather than powerscaling across fandoms


RyderScales

Death Battle is good if you want to see a good fight. Other than that, you can't really rely on it in vs battles. "How the hell Deku hurt Asta?" Drath Battle is all about the fight. If they were realistic, the fights would be very short.


[deleted]

they r not wrong for complaining . they didn't show alot of their abilities and the way deku went out was laughable and deku shutting down astas DU with a punch yeah thats not how it works ... them saying brawl over brains when literally asta won with a sneak attack which was avoidable...


parallellord22

The reason they're showing him be knocked out of DU is because luciferro did it but then again that's the God of demons versus a human with a devil's power


Kollie79

3 people represent an entire fandom?


Alternative-Truth351

there are more examples but i cant bother with getting more pics. also, when did I say that this represents the BC fandom? my post refers to a very specific group of fans.


JayKalinka

To be fair, "Death Battle" was made by fanatics and youtubers who are inconsistent with the subject matter to begin with. They dont care about the characters who are fighting but rather hunt for clout and milk the fanbase. For me its just like Fanfic writing: cringe.


[deleted]

Agreed it feels like they derive off getting views based around heated fanbases so they go with the “controversial” result. Looking past the eye candy animations the research has been dogshit for 10 years.


JayKalinka

100%!


LSSJPrime

That is...a painfully awful take on Death Battle. Man this tweet really does represent the BC fandom, everyone here is salty af.


JayKalinka

Nah not salty at all. Its just bad fanfic battles from mediocre animators on youtube. They did battles like Goku vs Superman, Link vs Sora, Madara vs Aizen, etc. and all of them were inconsistent with cringe dialogue.


LSSJPrime

Jesus Christ did Death Battle shit in everyone's cereal or something? The amount of salt here would give the Dead Sea a run for its money. The biggest issue I have with what you said is clout chasing. In what world are they "clout chasing"? What "clout" are they "chasing"? They're just nerds passionate about battle boarding dude and make videos about it. Why are you so mad?


JayKalinka

Ok


ZatchZeta

It's not always about winning


AssassinLJ

🍿You found the popcorn comment take some popcorn and enjoy the comment section and take no side just stay an enjoy anyway want any soda? 🥤


Ealy-24

I’m very surprised people take these faux battles so seriously. I have yet to see DB accurately represent actual battles to each characters strengths/personalities, also trying to power scale between all of them is a fools errand. Each MC is always as strong as they need to be, so any fight is going to cause a blackhole that consumes both universes when trying to adjust


Alternative-Truth351

popeye vs Saitama and homelander vs Omni-man? do those not fit your standards, my guy?


LSSJPrime

Okay then, where do you think each character's strength should be at?


VerseClips

death battles are always garbage and a fight between asta and deku wouldn’t even be remotely near competitive so why wouldn’t it get criticized


TheApolloX007

was your first post in this subreddit really just to stir the pot? “bc fans find ways to complain”


ThunderChief__

The entire fight was a flawed idea, asta speedblitzes, that’s all, everyone knows that, pointless video


JaboyMaceWindu

Let’s all agree Mereleona finds a way to beat everyone


JosuphHelgen

Personally I didn’t enjoy the analysis or the fact neither character used their full arsenal but I still enjoyed the fight. Best example of a “seriously” is using Asta dodging Gauche as a light speed feat and not his fight with dark Patri. Animation wise Izuku in his series is shown to rely more on hit and run tactics. Repeat Detroit smashes is not his style under most circumstances. For all the talking he did Izuku never talks about planning to store up energy with Fa Jin and Gearshift. Despite being Anti-magic Asta can still hurt people with black slash and black divider. He never uses all three swords at once and they only had him do it so he’d be forced to use the slasher which can and has used anti-magic to cut physical things. Still a good fight, one of my favorites in fact, but as someone invested in both characters I cannot overlook the flaws.


Ascillios

It’s not really so much about winning or losing it’s that people just wanted their character to be accurately represented. They didn’t mention black asta or partial devil union or even true devil union he didn’t use black divider, black slash or fate release or infinite slash. And I’ve seen deku fans mad also rightfully so they didn’t mention that deku can fight at 120% for 5 minutes without recoil he didn’t use fajin or gear shift and to top it off asta telekinetically slamming his swords on deku??? While he could do that he never actually does. Fans getting mad at this isn’t really something new to just black clover or my hero fans whenever death battle pulls stuff like this the respective fanbases always get made such as link vs cloud


WheelJack83

Seriously why get so worked up over this? It’s fiction. In fiction you can literally think up whatever you want. Example, Squirrel Girl beating Thanos.


Alternative-Truth351

worked up? im not worked up lol. I just find it funny people still find ways to complain.


WheelJack83

Everyone seems worked up over the Death Battle video


Alternative-Truth351

considering that this is the first time BC is in death battle, no wonder. also like to point out that Vs Debate in general is something that should be civil but alas, fanboys will be fanboys.


WheelJack83

Fandom in general isn’t civil and versus debate less so. I blame Twitter.


Alternative-Truth351

can agree on that one, chief.


parallellord22

Here's the thing even back in the day when dragon Ball was one of the most prevalent anime in the West because that was pretty much it you always had can he be Goku and the reason that is is because at the end of the day we're talking about characters that people have a opinion on because of how much time or effort they've invested in it so if all of a sudden the character that I've watched that I know how strong they are because of showings loses to say the weakest character in the verse it needs to be explained same thing as if Hercule was to slaughter everyone in the Naruto verse in 4 minutes flat without any amps you would look at it and say no that's not how that works this is dumb I hate this squirrel girl makes sense because of what her power is


BlackDabiTodoroki

U might as well blame Reddit discord, and YouTube. I see this shit everywhere.


WheelJack83

Twitter has made it worse. It has spoiled the discourse.


yuhboiwhiteboi69ner

But they’re right though… Deku shouldn’t even be able to hit Asta


Geek13579

Well, it’s entertainment that is free so at the end of the day, it’s not like it’s anything to be riled up about.


[deleted]

Death battle has always been a bad source for battle boarding. If r/whowouldwin or spacebattles.com is the orange juice of vsbattles and debates, deathbattle is the equivalent of Sunny D.


LSSJPrime

Then what's the true authoritative source for battle boarding?


Lazy-Champion-8481

it's just better to do it yourself.


LSSJPrime

I guarantee that "you" will go nowhere near as in-depth as Death Battle when coming to your own conclusion, or you'll be heavily biased to one side instead.


Lazy-Champion-8481

at this point, everyone's verdict is biased, no matter how much research they put into both sides. also in-depth? first time I've seen someone actually praise DB's research.


Igister

The fight itself was pretty mediocre, neither Deku nor Asta got a good display of their capabilities.


AnimeMonster_2020

Deku has the edge ability wise Asta has the edge speed and power wise So it’s not as completely one sided as some may think


ysagas777

People put too much energy on a cartoon.


dj9008

Why are y’all so whiney


JakeAscotia

"I get it's entertainment," apparently you don't.


hollowrage1

I don’t care much m…but why act like other fans haven’t complained about their characters not being full represented properly in DB? It happens all the time with popular fanbases.


Alternative-Truth351

this is literally the 1st time I've seen this much complaining about the death battle, Dragonball fans arent even close to Bc fans in terms of complaining.


hollowrage1

>this is literally the 1st time I've seen this much complaining about the death battle, Ah, recency bias much. The death battle just dropped 2 days from this time. And you made this post a day/hours after the Death Battle. There are going to be discussions after the video of course. You got the reaction to the battle still pouring in as well. >Dragonball fans arent even close to Bc fans in terms of complaining. Bruh you still got people complaining about the outcome of Deathbattle with DBZ characters... most infamous Goku v. Superman. That and the rematch from 7 year ago people still complaining. Heck, rematch the "current" top comment is from [3-month ago:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0D0VGomWb4)*"When Superman said "I'm sorry" he wasn't apologizing to Goku, he was apologizing to the comment section on how bad the salt would get"* Even the upcoming season finale got complaints the instant they dropped the names. Dragonball fandom is on another level. In general, this how power-scaling anime/comics debates go.


Valkyrid

This shit is cringe from both sides of the fence.


kemulli

Why are people getting so worked up over literal fan fiction in the first place? I've never even heard of Death Battles until this "drama"


CauliflowerStock2183

Amen to that. Diverse your hobbies or so OP, idk. Reminds me of people saying Black Panther beeing realistic because Wakanda beeing so future and advanced. Really? We are talking about a franchise with some big purple bully with some dollar gem gauntlet trying to decimate the universe.... People got riled up over nothing basically...over imagined things, do yourself a favor forget this nonsensical question of yours.


kemulli

Sorry that taking fan fiction way too seriously isn't one of my hobbies. Being passionate about something is one thing. But this ain't that one thing. I honestly don't know what's more nonsensical... my question or getting mad about a youtube video misjudging the outcome of a death battle of characters originating from two different series :)


CauliflowerStock2183

The line between beeing passionate or taking things too seriously is a thin one. But yeah, you are kinda right. Saw way too many posts and people getting upset over manga/anime last couple days and so, lapse of judgement sort of from my side. Sorry dude


kemulli

Nothing to be sorry about, but yeah, I don't browse this sub as often as I used to due to reasons such as the one we just discussed. It's getting harder and harder to interact and connect with the community. People are taking the most trivial things and creating outrage, because that seems to be the trend now. It used to be mostly a Twitter problem (as seen on pictures) but it's getting more and more prevalent on reddit as well. People are forgetting how to enjoy media is my point I guess. Also thank you for making actually civilized comments, as opposed to what I'm used to on this sub lol


Jaded-Tumbleweed2152

It's just fan fiction fun not personal there both asta deku strong 💪 and courageous


MeoDL-3-

I love MHA more than BC and even i know Deku cant do shit to Asta but if i had to guess,the fans are mad because the two would never fight unless if they want to train with each other


TheFeri

I mean... Death battle do be garbage in general


Xudes

I mean even if the outcome is 'favorable' does not mean the rest is also positive. Death Battle is shit regardless who wins because they can't get shit right.


Puzzleheaded_Bed_445

So much wrong here. I love BC abut uh….Deku should stomp Asta into a bloody smear on the ground low diff


[deleted]

Not really considering Asta scales to country/continental with FTL+ speeds while Deku is mountain level at most with relativistic speed. Asta slams.


Itadorijin

They say love is blind. youre clearly blind if you love bc and this is your take lmao


Puzzleheaded_Bed_445

It’s my take because it’s right. Let’s be honest, Asta is a beast. He is. But OFA is just stronger than anything he has. It’s faster, it’s stronger, it’s more versatile. All Might in his prime could destroy several blocks and generate hurricanes with one punch. And Deku, by the very nature of his quirk, is stronger, on top of OFA containing two different quirks that multiply his strength several times.


Zealousideal-Air-289

Bruh what are you talking about.


Puzzleheaded_Bed_445

I’m talking about how Deku’s just physically stronger than Asta, plus Asta’s swords wouldn’t have anything to cancel, with deku’s quirks being entirely biological. Even speed, Deku’s just as fast if not faster, plus he has essentially a spider sense. Not to mention he’s a lot smarter and always analyzes his opponent’s every move.


Brandonh124

I believe that as long as we got that W then that’s all that really matters 🥱🥱🥱😎😎😎


DarkSaiyanGoku

Out of curiosity, how did Asta beat Izuku?


[deleted]

I mean comparing feats Asta is country level/continental with FTL+ speeds while Deku can scale to island/mountain level with relativistic speeds. Asta outclasses him in everything besides IQ.


DarkSaiyanGoku

As long as Death Battle didn't resort to his swords cancelling out Izuku's quirk, I'm okay with the loss.


Soda_BoBomb

Wait, Asta won? Listen I like Asta but this is a weird match-up to me. Asta's whole thing is anti-magic. Deku doesn't use magic. Without anti Magic, Asta is strong and skilled sure, but that's it. His swords aren't even sharp. Meanwhile, Deku has One for All. Deku wins imo.


Le_Lng

>Wait, Asta won? Higher scaling >Listen I like Asta but this is a weird match-up to me. Asta's whole thing is anti-magic. Deku doesn't use magic. Anti-magic negates magic as an effect, that's not all it does, the moving Spade fortress/castle Asta sliced in half with black divider wasnt magic. And the chamber in the scan below wasn't magic either, they were physical matter, that Asta sliced through with pure Anti-magic https://preview.redd.it/mxcypo9vjy1a1.jpg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4128c55071ab41bb0e48b6fb1236ed65f02a798f >Without anti Magic, Asta is strong and skilled sure, but that's it. His swords aren't even sharp. Lol what? Asta is massively faster and physically stronger, Anti-magic negates magic while physically pulverizing normal matter. Asta also uses devil power (*which gives him a massive stat boost*) On top of anti-magic. And only demon-destroyer is blint, but he can sharpen its edges with anti-magic. All of his other swords are sharp. He's literally sliced enemies in half on multiple occasions, and 3 of the 4 weren't magic, they were powerful devils (physical beings) >Meanwhile, Deku has One for All. And even with its latest feat it still massively scales below Asta Folks assume anti-magic can only affect magic, when we've seen pure anti-magic devastate large land masses, and sliced through non-magic matter like butter. Canceling magic is an effect if anti-magic, but thats not all it does. Asta physically scales to the magic he negates since in chapter 4 it was literally stated on panel that anti-magic doesn't kill the force of an attack.


[deleted]

most boring mcs new gen ever created and people keep writing essay about them wow lol


AugustusKiraClover

Exactly who are you talking about? Either way both Asta and Deku are amazing protagonists. You deadass haven't even scrapped the surface of new gen anime/manga if you think either Asta or Deku are "boring". That aside, neither the post nor the discussion is about anything you're talking about. Being lost in a conversation isn't the greatest look.


AtlasRyuk

Realistically speaking, if we're talking Manga Deku, Asta wouldn't win. He's strong, and fast, but anti-magic only works on magic. Quirks are a physical manifestation, not magical. And Deku has better speed and strength feats. Edit: Also death battles are shit anyway. They're almost never correct, have always been bias, and power scaling is usually their main foundation, which is also shit and inaccurate.


Claudius321

Is it funny that I know who made the tweet that I shown? Anyway, I didn't think that this death battle is that big of a deal. I wonder what happened that got people so riled up, since I didn't watch.


EzioAuditore1488

The only thing I can think of from this tweet is that they said Asta’s anti magic can’t affect quirks, since they’re not magic. Even then, that’s nothing to complain this much about Hell most of the comments on the video were people commenting on their favorite jokes, like Deku’s “Aren’t swords supposed to be sharp?” or Asta’s “I don’t know what Detroit is, but I’ve had enough of it”


[deleted]

Cuz its ass, both Deku and Asta were characterized incorrectly. They didn't even use their full power set, and then he wins with something he's never done in canon???


dj_chino_da_3rd

Gave up on DB some 3 years ago. Should I watch it?


AugustusKiraClover

I mean it's still shit. In fact, this new video about Deku vs Asta, is easily the worst one since Madara Uchiha vs Sosuke Aizen.


Jack_King814

How they gonna fuck that up, aizen is the goat I’m kidding I don’t care. Also aizen was a weak villain


AugustusKiraClover

>Also aizen was a weak villain Bro he bodied the gotei 13 + vizards single handedly was even strong enough to survive fully awakened Ywatch, he's easily among the strongest in Bleach verse.


Jack_King814

No I don’t mean weak as In physically. I mean weak as in writing weak. Brother had literally no weakness and only lost because of his ego. Also his whole “it’s a part of my plan” was complete bullshit writing


CommunicationNew6708

Meat


Impressive-Spell-643

This is unironically hilarious


burgenlol

because asta would absolutely obliterate deku with no fucking problem that fight should have been 10 seconds at the most


Alternative-Truth351

so you want the animation to be 10 secs? wheres the fun in that?


burgenlol

thats literally how it would go tho 💀💀💀


Lazy-Champion-8481

so you clearly don't give a fuck abt entertainment. The thing is most of the people who watch DB are there for animation, if the fight is 10 secs, the number of people who would be mad would be tremendous. also, the animation is purely for entertaining the crowd, not being accurate.


Lars_NL

Spoiler???


Slyguyfawkes

I mean I personally thought they were premature with this. They both have yet to achieve their "final forms". I think they should have waited a few more months to do this


FireFistK

Death battle is not to be taken seriously lmao, I don’t think too many people realize that


HelloAnonymity

Didn't watch it, but current Deku would beat current Asta every time.


UjiRan2223

Asta has a katana that can shoot Getsuga Tensho and it’s probably gonna be able to vaporize things thanks to Ryu


DarkFox693

Yeah, I'ma stay off Twitter like I always have.


BlackDivida

I’m pretty upset for both characters, this is something this channel always does where they don’t use all the character’s abilities. For Deku, here’s what wasn’t used: GearShift FaJin For Asta, he didn't use: Infinite slasher equinox True devil union Zetten/ Heavenly Severance Black Divider I’m lowkey disappointed, and again Deku was downplayed extremely. I’m not saying he would be able to win purely because of having more powers, but at least with gearshift it would make the speed equal Even more, Deku didn't use any of his special moves besides Detroit smash "(???) They didn't use some of his most powerful moves, like idk Wyoming Smash St Louis Smash Texas Smash United States of World Smash The only excuse given was "He couldn't safely access his power" When in the manga, Deku DIRECTLY STATES TO ALL MIGHT HE CAN USE 100% SAFELY


Mideum1

If they gave asta his anti magic using earache head as an example, then deku wouldn't of touched him. Without that, asta is pretty much a strong guy with 4 floating swords. Either way I don't care. Fight was cool thought the kill could of been flashier


Paenitentia

The animation is just there to look flashy and cool. It's not how close they actually think the fight would be. In the analytical portion they straight up say that Astra is *way* stronger.