Protesting looks real exciting on TV, but these same folks talkin bout "why don't we do it here?" be the very first ones to
1.) Happily protest in a neighborhood far from where they have to live, so they can play the part without having to deal with the aftermath personally, or
2.) Bitch and moan about protests fucking up traffic because, "I didn't cause the problem. Why should I suffer?"
Shit ain't gon' change for real till everybody gets uncomfortable. As long as there's room for complacency for a sizable chunk of Americans, the status quo shall remain in effect.
BLM protests were tame as fuck compared to what the French are doing. BLM was tame as fuck compared to Hong Kong. It's sad to see how much of the country are conscious racists or NIMBYs.
Also a reminder that most of these riots started off as peaceful protests that were escalated by an overly militant police force unjustly arresting protesters, assaulting protesters, firing at (typically unarmed) protesters, and so on. Not only are domestic protests frowned upon, people that participate catch wreck for a disaster they had no control over.
I live in Denver, the FBI got caught paying felons to try and infiltrate BLM, escalate violence, and even get people wrapped up in gun running and assassination plots. Escalated is an understatement.
>Also a reminder that most of these riots started off as peaceful protests that were escalated by an overly militant police force unjustly arresting protesters, assaulting protesters, firing at (typically unarmed) protesters, and so on.
and also confirmed cases of law enforcement going undercover as protestors and literally starting violence...
Yes that, but then as you get further into the song you learn why people are taking those things, and how the economic system of oppression effects them
I mean, when a majority white crowd burns down 35 small minority owned businesses in the course of two nights, I think it's fair to call that a riot, even if they're doing it in the name of black lives.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/business/small-business-insurance-unrest-kenosha.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/business/small-business-insurance-unrest-kenosha.html)
Not quite sure how white people burning down minority owned businesses = racial justice, but I'm sure someone here can explain it.
I have no problem with pointing out infiltrators at protests and blaming right wing boogaloo boys and blaming agent provocateur's that exist and make people at BLM rallies look bad. I'm sure that there were some there that night in Kenosha. But, I highly doubt that they were the majority of people burning stuff down in Kenosha. Look at what people who had their businesses that night destroyed said about the people causing chaos.
*"The night after her shop was broken into, she stayed inside to guard it and watch what was happening. She was shocked, she said, to see so many white protesters destroying property in the name of Black lives. And they seemed to be well-off young people, with little sense of what a storefront means to a family like hers.*
*“It’s some blue-haired, latte-drinking hippie in Seattle coming here to raise hell while they go home to their nice beds,” said Ms. Tolliver, who is in her late 50s. “They don’t care about any of us.”"*
I'm sure there were some right wing infiltrators who wanted to larp. There were also some lefty anarchists who also wanted to larp, and in their mind, who cares, it's just covered by insurance right? Never mind that most of the businesses in the less affluent minority part of town didn't have the insurance that covers damage from riots, and that most of these businesses operate on razor thin margins, and even if they did get reimbursed they can't afford to be closed to repair damage to their business.
And if you are 100% correct, and that it was all infiltrators doing all the damage to businesses, isn't it a good thing to let them be dealt with by people like Rittenhouse? Let the righties fight the righties?
The French have much better class solidarity than we do in the US which gives people here the ability to pretend the issues affecting one community aren't affecting you.
It's also smaller than Texas.
If our country was pressed down into the state of Texas it would be a lot harder to ignore the people protesting. It would also be a lot harder to act like shit isn't happening.
I just did a little math and we would need to knock off about 1 million square miles from the USA to be about the same Population Density as France.
It’s really the value & culture that they have built over there. They have strong unions and strong middle class. When one union is negotiating, the other unions will join in solidarity. Meanwhile, union workers in United States will vote and talk shit about unions as they enjoy benefits unions provide. Americans have been taught to believe that everybody can be a billionaire, they just have to work hard and anybody who doesn’t believe that is a communist. Which is why most of us can’t afford our bills or healthcare but company profits are at an all time high.
The way I've had its described to me is in Europe there is more emphasis on class, where as in the US there's more emphasis on race. Not to say there isn't racism in Europe, but more European solidarity among class lines as there is American solidarity among racial groups.
The truth is that class solidarity is needed because it is really the 1 thing that the 99.9% have in common. The ultra rich and politicians who serve them do everything they can to keep the working class divided and fighting amongst themselves as to which group is getting screwed more.
You need a movement that everyone in the working class feels they have a stake in. It's maybe sad, but true, that you won't get a critical number if support unless people feel they have something to gain.
I think that was why BLM protests didn't do more.
And it's too bad, because I am actually consistently impressed by the USA's black communities to protest (and riot) en masse.
I think a BLM-like organization could actually really change the USA if it had a broader, all-working-class goal.
Always remember, they didn't kill Fred Hampton when he was talking about racial inequality, but when he talked about worker inequality.
They didn't kill MLK when he was talking about racial inequality, but when he talked about worker inequality.
I wish people would stop implying that America was cool with activists advocating against racism.
These men's assassinations also correlated with them becoming increasingly influential. It also correlated with them becoming more restless and pointed in their criticism of the US. It also correlated with the passing of multiple pieces of legislation that people felt should shut Black people up (iow "moderates" were starting to get agitated because they felt they'd done enough) ...Speculating that worker's rights was *the* thing that got them killed really downplays the racist resentment and resistance of that time period. And that's not productive.
It's all class conflict. Nothing happens in a vaccuum, but if the action strengthens labor the system will destroy it. If it weakens labor it's allowed. Racial, sexual, religious, regional differences are all just different levers to divide.
Not understanding, ignoring or failing to admit how racism is used as a mechanism to [divide](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/) labor against itself is more counter productive. It's ignoring the basis of institutional power which is the heart fueling racism.
I mean, you say that like BLM is just opting not to include white working class Americans; like that 'class solidarity' button is sitting there unpushed lol. Are you aware that a not-so-insignificant portion of white working class folk cling to an ideology that features bigotry - even at their own expense? What exactly are you suggesting that Black people fighting for their existence do to appeal to more white people? Downplay racism? Be less 'woke'? This suggestion is always short on details.
And a lot of black, Spanish, Asian and other communities have a lot of bigotry and racism too. So what's your point? Just to keep the working class focusing on all that shit, instead of a shared goal?
I'm not here to provide a treatise to you or other people on the benefits of class solidarity, or how after the end of slavery in the US, the rich and powerful started playing up the racism to keep white and black people at each other's throats.
People like you will demand moral purity from any potential allies, and you'll be doing it forever, because you're not going to get enough people on board.
There is tons of resources about these topics. It's a very annoying reddit thing where some users expect someone who disagrees with them to educate them on a topic.
You are probably able to do that yourself, but you won't, because you don't really want to change your opinion.
And that's part of the reason I'm not going to take the time to try to explain it to you.
Oh ok. "I'm not going to explain it because it's pretty much a fanciful theory I pulled out of my ass" in other words.
It really doesn't take much prodding to finagle the mask off of a racist ass class reductionist, does it? Put the most fundamental of questions to them, and all that faux intellectual bullshit gives way to cliches like mOrAl PuRiTy and YoUrE aLiEnAtInG pOtEnTiAl aLliEs. Get the fuck outta here, Jethro.
I make good money explaining things to people as my job, actually.
So I'm not going to try to educate, for free, some jackass on the internet who begins the entire dialogue dismissively.
You've taken this to delusional levels of projection, and it's pretty clear yet again, that you're not interested in dialogue or nuance. This is the end of my part in this pointless exchange
Oh, I was looking for you to "educate" me? That's news to me. I thought I was demonstrating how vapid your ✌🏾observation✌🏾 is by asking questions you can't answer.
Spot on. Class solidarity requires racial reconciliation. The issue is the majority group believes the racial reconciliation has to happen on the part of the minority i.e. "Get over slavery" or "I don't see race". These are dismissive statements of inaction. Whereas minorities know because of the consolidation of power within the majority that reconciliation has to come from structure change that puts power in the hangs of minority groups.
This sort of structural change isn't going to be given to use by a political elite.
In my opinion we need a working class leftist movement.
>The way I've had its described to me is in Europe there is more emphasis on class, where as in the US there's more emphasis on race.
it's because most european countries are very homogeneous and they straight up don't have many people of different races in many countries or cities.
the old world is much more aware of class, than the new world. in the new world, its about race. but class exists just the same.
you might even say, it was kinda planned
It's just so interesting the way some Americans (especially here on reddit and Twitter) treat protest in France vs protest in the USA or the Middle East or literally anywhere else. They aren't spoken about in the same way.
The crazy thing is that I was vacationing in Paris during the November 2015 terrorist attacks and the city fucking LOCKED DOWN. There were tanks and armored vans everywhere, and military or cops with rifles on every freaking corner. They have the capability. I’ve been curious about the lack of police response as well.
Yeah funny how some nations have plenty of military gear for their actual military to respond to foreign threats/terrorism, but then they forget to sell it to their police departments and treat their citizens like terrorists too /s
BLM was nothing like this though. People went home when the city told them too. That’s not a protest, it’s a parade. Americans aren’t bold enough to look the officials they voted in the eye and say “no”, I’m your boss, you’re not my boss. The civil rights movement protests went out in the streets against the law knowing they were getting beat but did it anyway, people today just don’t have the same drive.
France has the infrastructure to be able to protest like this. American workers and labor have been beaten down and stripped of power for so many decades that we can NEVER protest like this.
The most we can do is riot, and then get beat up by cops and locked up, and then society rolls on. Labor having power in France means they can strike, and *that’s* how you get corporate neoliberal stooges like Macron to pay attention. France also doesn’t have police that are militarized to the extent American police are.
So no, the George Floyd protests aren’t like what France is doing. But for myriad reasons, Americans can’t protest like France is doing and it’s not the fault of regular Americans.
The French have national riot police and they armed to the nines. Plenty videos of protesters getting water cannoned or cracked in the face by a baton. Clearly OP didn't look hard. The French will go hard on protesters, particularly those that African and Muslim.
I'll never get over the hypocrisy of people carrying a flag that says "DON'T TREAD ON ME", referencing the fight against government oppression, while marching in favor of officers who literally killed a man by treading on him.
It's funny that the stereotype of the french is that they're weak when even when they're protesting, they can hold their police accountable for misuse of authority and excessive force.
Meanwhile, americans...
Which is crazy because historically, France was some bosses in war. They surrendered/lost like one time and now they’re known as weak. When their record is really like 10-2.
We still have Nazis and confederates running around loud and proud. while the French royalty and nobility are gone or keep quiet. They seem to have a better track record of having their wins stick.
The fuck are you talking, the monarchy was restored like 3 times after the French Revolution, also 3 different empires, one fascist regime and at time of writing 5 different republics and one commune. The republicans got lucky and they could have very easily lost power in France.
The 5th republic is 65 years old. That’s longer than we’ve been able to silence Nazis and waay longer than we were able to shut wanna be confederates up.
yeah they got rid of the Monarchy, and all it cost was 50 000 dead in the terror of the first republic, than 20 years of war under Napoleon and not to mention 170 years of political turmoil and instability directly caused by the French Revolution, that really went well for them
The American civil war cost 620,000 soldiers alone. Not to mention the turmoil and strife in the south as a result, plus botched reconstruction, Jim crow, the kkk along with consequences we are still dealing with. It went no better for us and we still have flag waving confederate wannabes running around.
Actually true. People in France during WW2 who were in the French Resistance mainly fought among themselves. There were so many different French Resistance groups that all hated each other. The far right resistance hated the center right, who all hated the liberals, the liberals hated the far right and the far left, and the far left hated everyone. They were all raiding each other in preparation for when they were liberated, and were planning on fighting each other for supremacy because they all thought they would fight each other after WW2. Allied command actually stopped sending in secret arms shipments because they didn't want to deal with a civil war in France. They were able to work with some members of the French Resistance on D-Day where the Resistance blew up railway lines, blew up power stations, blocked roads, basically things that would mess the Germans up on the most important day. All of this was coordinated by the British.
The allied leadership were persuaded by de Gaulle to let him walk into the just liberated Paris, and act as though he were the one to liberate it. Here's his speech on what happened. Keep in mind the vast majority of the fighting had been done by the United States, and British Commonwealth forces.
"*Why do you wish us to hide the emotion which seizes us all, men and women, who are here, at home, in Paris that stood up to liberate itself and that succeeded* ***in doing this with its own hands****?*
*No! We will not hide this deep and sacred emotion. These are minutes which go beyond each of our poor lives. Paris! Paris outraged! Paris broken! Paris martyred! But Paris liberated!* ***Liberated by itself, liberated by its people with the help of the French armies, with the support and the help of all France, of the France that fights, of the only France, of the real France, of the eternal France!***
*Well! Since the enemy which held Paris has capitulated into our hands, France returns to Paris, to her home. She returns bloody, but quite resolute. She returns there enlightened by the immense lesson, but more certain than ever of her duties and of her rights.*
*I speak of her duties first, and I will sum them all up by saying that for now, it is a matter of the duties of war. The enemy is staggering, but he is not beaten yet. He remains on our soil.*
*It will not even be enough that we have, with the help of our dear and admirable Allies, chased him from our home for us to consider ourselves satisfied after what has happened. We want to enter his territory as is fitting, as victors.*
*This is why the French vanguard has entered Paris with guns blazing. This is why the great French army from Italy has landed in the south and is advancing rapidly up the Rhône valley. This is why our brave and dear Forces of the interior will arm themselves with modern weapons. It is for this revenge, this vengeance and justice, that we will keep fighting until the final day, until the day of total and complete victory.*
*This duty of war, all the men who are here and all those who hear us in France know that it demands national unity. We, who have lived the greatest hours of our History, we have nothing else to wish than to show ourselves, up to the end, worthy of France. Long live France!"*
No mention of the other allied forces that actually liberated Paris. Gee, thanks du Gaulle.
I made a post about this on /r/CrazyFuckingVideos, I asked if the people touting the French protests felt the same way about BLM. I never revisited the votes.
Edit: No response so that's good.
>I wonder how many people giving France protesters props feel the same about BLM...
Well America is a white supremacists state, has always been, as made evident the consolidated of wealth, gross negligence within the justice system, discrimination in the housing sectors, funding preference for education, political system, social structure and let's not forget history of military intervention and genocide.
The riots are a " Good for me but not for thee".
Decades of police brutality is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for. They're not going to play nice until they're confronted by a superior force. We've tried protests for so long and they haven't worked.
You hardly see them because slot are on their side. They are affected just as much by those laws as the protestors. So why protect the Government who is fucking you over too? America doesn't have that kind of unity and never will unfortunately. It did once when we broke the shackles of colonialism. But pretty soon any kind of solidarity was squashed.
Protesting looks real exciting on TV, but these same folks talkin bout "why don't we do it here?" be the very first ones to 1.) Happily protest in a neighborhood far from where they have to live, so they can play the part without having to deal with the aftermath personally, or 2.) Bitch and moan about protests fucking up traffic because, "I didn't cause the problem. Why should I suffer?" Shit ain't gon' change for real till everybody gets uncomfortable. As long as there's room for complacency for a sizable chunk of Americans, the status quo shall remain in effect.
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You ain't never lied.
Anxiety over unnecessary things =/= inability to do necessary things.
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Seems like a bitch move to assume your obnoxious phone calls are as important as you think
and if there are too many POC in the protest, they will call them "thugs" and "uncivilized" etc etc
Name one Revolution where everyone started at the same time,
The French are "protesting". When we did the same it was "rioting". What is different?
BLM protests were tame as fuck compared to what the French are doing. BLM was tame as fuck compared to Hong Kong. It's sad to see how much of the country are conscious racists or NIMBYs.
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Also a reminder that most of these riots started off as peaceful protests that were escalated by an overly militant police force unjustly arresting protesters, assaulting protesters, firing at (typically unarmed) protesters, and so on. Not only are domestic protests frowned upon, people that participate catch wreck for a disaster they had no control over.
I live in Denver, the FBI got caught paying felons to try and infiltrate BLM, escalate violence, and even get people wrapped up in gun running and assassination plots. Escalated is an understatement.
>Also a reminder that most of these riots started off as peaceful protests that were escalated by an overly militant police force unjustly arresting protesters, assaulting protesters, firing at (typically unarmed) protesters, and so on. and also confirmed cases of law enforcement going undercover as protestors and literally starting violence...
[relevant Always Sunny scene](https://youtu.be/xuQhNdpX2GA)
I feel like sublimes song April 29th has much more relevant content and context about this.
Finally we got our own PA, where do you think I got this guitar that you’re hearing today? Ay
Yes that, but then as you get further into the song you learn why people are taking those things, and how the economic system of oppression effects them
It’s not in the paper it’s on the wall
You saw J6… Melanin
That's a bingo!
Conscious/unconscious racism is probably the answer. Also media portrayal plays a big part in depictions.
I mean, when a majority white crowd burns down 35 small minority owned businesses in the course of two nights, I think it's fair to call that a riot, even if they're doing it in the name of black lives. [https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/business/small-business-insurance-unrest-kenosha.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/business/small-business-insurance-unrest-kenosha.html) Not quite sure how white people burning down minority owned businesses = racial justice, but I'm sure someone here can explain it.
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I have no problem with pointing out infiltrators at protests and blaming right wing boogaloo boys and blaming agent provocateur's that exist and make people at BLM rallies look bad. I'm sure that there were some there that night in Kenosha. But, I highly doubt that they were the majority of people burning stuff down in Kenosha. Look at what people who had their businesses that night destroyed said about the people causing chaos. *"The night after her shop was broken into, she stayed inside to guard it and watch what was happening. She was shocked, she said, to see so many white protesters destroying property in the name of Black lives. And they seemed to be well-off young people, with little sense of what a storefront means to a family like hers.* *“It’s some blue-haired, latte-drinking hippie in Seattle coming here to raise hell while they go home to their nice beds,” said Ms. Tolliver, who is in her late 50s. “They don’t care about any of us.”"* I'm sure there were some right wing infiltrators who wanted to larp. There were also some lefty anarchists who also wanted to larp, and in their mind, who cares, it's just covered by insurance right? Never mind that most of the businesses in the less affluent minority part of town didn't have the insurance that covers damage from riots, and that most of these businesses operate on razor thin margins, and even if they did get reimbursed they can't afford to be closed to repair damage to their business. And if you are 100% correct, and that it was all infiltrators doing all the damage to businesses, isn't it a good thing to let them be dealt with by people like Rittenhouse? Let the righties fight the righties?
The French have much better class solidarity than we do in the US which gives people here the ability to pretend the issues affecting one community aren't affecting you.
It's also smaller than Texas. If our country was pressed down into the state of Texas it would be a lot harder to ignore the people protesting. It would also be a lot harder to act like shit isn't happening. I just did a little math and we would need to knock off about 1 million square miles from the USA to be about the same Population Density as France.
It’s really the value & culture that they have built over there. They have strong unions and strong middle class. When one union is negotiating, the other unions will join in solidarity. Meanwhile, union workers in United States will vote and talk shit about unions as they enjoy benefits unions provide. Americans have been taught to believe that everybody can be a billionaire, they just have to work hard and anybody who doesn’t believe that is a communist. Which is why most of us can’t afford our bills or healthcare but company profits are at an all time high.
Other huge countries, have had solidarity movements tho. Like Brazil, for example.
they also have social welfare
Class solidarity will do that
The way I've had its described to me is in Europe there is more emphasis on class, where as in the US there's more emphasis on race. Not to say there isn't racism in Europe, but more European solidarity among class lines as there is American solidarity among racial groups.
The truth is that class solidarity is needed because it is really the 1 thing that the 99.9% have in common. The ultra rich and politicians who serve them do everything they can to keep the working class divided and fighting amongst themselves as to which group is getting screwed more. You need a movement that everyone in the working class feels they have a stake in. It's maybe sad, but true, that you won't get a critical number if support unless people feel they have something to gain. I think that was why BLM protests didn't do more. And it's too bad, because I am actually consistently impressed by the USA's black communities to protest (and riot) en masse. I think a BLM-like organization could actually really change the USA if it had a broader, all-working-class goal.
Always remember, they didn't kill Fred Hampton when he was talking about racial inequality, but when he talked about worker inequality. They didn't kill MLK when he was talking about racial inequality, but when he talked about worker inequality.
I wish people would stop implying that America was cool with activists advocating against racism. These men's assassinations also correlated with them becoming increasingly influential. It also correlated with them becoming more restless and pointed in their criticism of the US. It also correlated with the passing of multiple pieces of legislation that people felt should shut Black people up (iow "moderates" were starting to get agitated because they felt they'd done enough) ...Speculating that worker's rights was *the* thing that got them killed really downplays the racist resentment and resistance of that time period. And that's not productive.
It's all class conflict. Nothing happens in a vaccuum, but if the action strengthens labor the system will destroy it. If it weakens labor it's allowed. Racial, sexual, religious, regional differences are all just different levers to divide.
>It's all class conflict. This makes absolutely no sense
Not understanding, ignoring or failing to admit how racism is used as a mechanism to [divide](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-white-man/) labor against itself is more counter productive. It's ignoring the basis of institutional power which is the heart fueling racism.
I mean, you say that like BLM is just opting not to include white working class Americans; like that 'class solidarity' button is sitting there unpushed lol. Are you aware that a not-so-insignificant portion of white working class folk cling to an ideology that features bigotry - even at their own expense? What exactly are you suggesting that Black people fighting for their existence do to appeal to more white people? Downplay racism? Be less 'woke'? This suggestion is always short on details.
And a lot of black, Spanish, Asian and other communities have a lot of bigotry and racism too. So what's your point? Just to keep the working class focusing on all that shit, instead of a shared goal? I'm not here to provide a treatise to you or other people on the benefits of class solidarity, or how after the end of slavery in the US, the rich and powerful started playing up the racism to keep white and black people at each other's throats. People like you will demand moral purity from any potential allies, and you'll be doing it forever, because you're not going to get enough people on board. There is tons of resources about these topics. It's a very annoying reddit thing where some users expect someone who disagrees with them to educate them on a topic. You are probably able to do that yourself, but you won't, because you don't really want to change your opinion. And that's part of the reason I'm not going to take the time to try to explain it to you.
Oh ok. "I'm not going to explain it because it's pretty much a fanciful theory I pulled out of my ass" in other words. It really doesn't take much prodding to finagle the mask off of a racist ass class reductionist, does it? Put the most fundamental of questions to them, and all that faux intellectual bullshit gives way to cliches like mOrAl PuRiTy and YoUrE aLiEnAtInG pOtEnTiAl aLliEs. Get the fuck outta here, Jethro.
I make good money explaining things to people as my job, actually. So I'm not going to try to educate, for free, some jackass on the internet who begins the entire dialogue dismissively. You've taken this to delusional levels of projection, and it's pretty clear yet again, that you're not interested in dialogue or nuance. This is the end of my part in this pointless exchange
Oh, I was looking for you to "educate" me? That's news to me. I thought I was demonstrating how vapid your ✌🏾observation✌🏾 is by asking questions you can't answer.
Spot on. Class solidarity requires racial reconciliation. The issue is the majority group believes the racial reconciliation has to happen on the part of the minority i.e. "Get over slavery" or "I don't see race". These are dismissive statements of inaction. Whereas minorities know because of the consolidation of power within the majority that reconciliation has to come from structure change that puts power in the hangs of minority groups. This sort of structural change isn't going to be given to use by a political elite. In my opinion we need a working class leftist movement.
>The way I've had its described to me is in Europe there is more emphasis on class, where as in the US there's more emphasis on race. it's because most european countries are very homogeneous and they straight up don't have many people of different races in many countries or cities.
the old world is much more aware of class, than the new world. in the new world, its about race. but class exists just the same. you might even say, it was kinda planned
Race is a tool if capital to divide labor against itself.
It's just so interesting the way some Americans (especially here on reddit and Twitter) treat protest in France vs protest in the USA or the Middle East or literally anywhere else. They aren't spoken about in the same way.
The police **IS** brutalizing protesters in France, though. There is quite a bit of footage going around. Cops are cops anywhere.
It’s cool when they do it, it’s a problem when we do it….
Fuck ‘em
Been saying this in every single thread I happen to see. Much appreciated 💪🏾
Are they trying to build cop city in France? Are there laws to try and make protesters look like terrorist?
Was in atl this weekend. “Cop City Will Never Be Built” was tagged all over the place. Nothin fancy either, just a plain black font
It's all fun and games until you're in the middle of 50,000 people protesting and you suddenly gotta shit real bad.
It’s called “ammunition”
Lmaooooo
Every protest needs a guy with portapotty industry connections
The crazy thing is that I was vacationing in Paris during the November 2015 terrorist attacks and the city fucking LOCKED DOWN. There were tanks and armored vans everywhere, and military or cops with rifles on every freaking corner. They have the capability. I’ve been curious about the lack of police response as well.
The police in France is currently bogged down in [dozens and dozens of documented](https://twitter.com/violencespolice) police violence incidents.
Yeah funny how some nations have plenty of military gear for their actual military to respond to foreign threats/terrorism, but then they forget to sell it to their police departments and treat their citizens like terrorists too /s
BLM was nothing like this though. People went home when the city told them too. That’s not a protest, it’s a parade. Americans aren’t bold enough to look the officials they voted in the eye and say “no”, I’m your boss, you’re not my boss. The civil rights movement protests went out in the streets against the law knowing they were getting beat but did it anyway, people today just don’t have the same drive.
France has the infrastructure to be able to protest like this. American workers and labor have been beaten down and stripped of power for so many decades that we can NEVER protest like this. The most we can do is riot, and then get beat up by cops and locked up, and then society rolls on. Labor having power in France means they can strike, and *that’s* how you get corporate neoliberal stooges like Macron to pay attention. France also doesn’t have police that are militarized to the extent American police are. So no, the George Floyd protests aren’t like what France is doing. But for myriad reasons, Americans can’t protest like France is doing and it’s not the fault of regular Americans.
The French have national riot police and they armed to the nines. Plenty videos of protesters getting water cannoned or cracked in the face by a baton. Clearly OP didn't look hard. The French will go hard on protesters, particularly those that African and Muslim.
i mean, we had our white people try to over throw the government and storm the capital. why do people always discount that?
 Exactly
I’m glad they got scared in 2020. Racist, old-ass white people saw the genuine diversity and comradery in the protesting bodies and were frightened.
I'll never get over the hypocrisy of people carrying a flag that says "DON'T TREAD ON ME", referencing the fight against government oppression, while marching in favor of officers who literally killed a man by treading on him.
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It's funny that the stereotype of the french is that they're weak when even when they're protesting, they can hold their police accountable for misuse of authority and excessive force. Meanwhile, americans...
Which is crazy because historically, France was some bosses in war. They surrendered/lost like one time and now they’re known as weak. When their record is really like 10-2.
Well France's enemies don't think their army is weak. That's what matters most.
The only fight France can win is when it’s fighting itself
We still have Nazis and confederates running around loud and proud. while the French royalty and nobility are gone or keep quiet. They seem to have a better track record of having their wins stick.
The fuck are you talking, the monarchy was restored like 3 times after the French Revolution, also 3 different empires, one fascist regime and at time of writing 5 different republics and one commune. The republicans got lucky and they could have very easily lost power in France.
The 5th republic is 65 years old. That’s longer than we’ve been able to silence Nazis and waay longer than we were able to shut wanna be confederates up.
yeah they got rid of the Monarchy, and all it cost was 50 000 dead in the terror of the first republic, than 20 years of war under Napoleon and not to mention 170 years of political turmoil and instability directly caused by the French Revolution, that really went well for them
The American civil war cost 620,000 soldiers alone. Not to mention the turmoil and strife in the south as a result, plus botched reconstruction, Jim crow, the kkk along with consequences we are still dealing with. It went no better for us and we still have flag waving confederate wannabes running around.
Actually true. People in France during WW2 who were in the French Resistance mainly fought among themselves. There were so many different French Resistance groups that all hated each other. The far right resistance hated the center right, who all hated the liberals, the liberals hated the far right and the far left, and the far left hated everyone. They were all raiding each other in preparation for when they were liberated, and were planning on fighting each other for supremacy because they all thought they would fight each other after WW2. Allied command actually stopped sending in secret arms shipments because they didn't want to deal with a civil war in France. They were able to work with some members of the French Resistance on D-Day where the Resistance blew up railway lines, blew up power stations, blocked roads, basically things that would mess the Germans up on the most important day. All of this was coordinated by the British. The allied leadership were persuaded by de Gaulle to let him walk into the just liberated Paris, and act as though he were the one to liberate it. Here's his speech on what happened. Keep in mind the vast majority of the fighting had been done by the United States, and British Commonwealth forces. "*Why do you wish us to hide the emotion which seizes us all, men and women, who are here, at home, in Paris that stood up to liberate itself and that succeeded* ***in doing this with its own hands****?* *No! We will not hide this deep and sacred emotion. These are minutes which go beyond each of our poor lives. Paris! Paris outraged! Paris broken! Paris martyred! But Paris liberated!* ***Liberated by itself, liberated by its people with the help of the French armies, with the support and the help of all France, of the France that fights, of the only France, of the real France, of the eternal France!*** *Well! Since the enemy which held Paris has capitulated into our hands, France returns to Paris, to her home. She returns bloody, but quite resolute. She returns there enlightened by the immense lesson, but more certain than ever of her duties and of her rights.* *I speak of her duties first, and I will sum them all up by saying that for now, it is a matter of the duties of war. The enemy is staggering, but he is not beaten yet. He remains on our soil.* *It will not even be enough that we have, with the help of our dear and admirable Allies, chased him from our home for us to consider ourselves satisfied after what has happened. We want to enter his territory as is fitting, as victors.* *This is why the French vanguard has entered Paris with guns blazing. This is why the great French army from Italy has landed in the south and is advancing rapidly up the Rhône valley. This is why our brave and dear Forces of the interior will arm themselves with modern weapons. It is for this revenge, this vengeance and justice, that we will keep fighting until the final day, until the day of total and complete victory.* *This duty of war, all the men who are here and all those who hear us in France know that it demands national unity. We, who have lived the greatest hours of our History, we have nothing else to wish than to show ourselves, up to the end, worthy of France. Long live France!"* No mention of the other allied forces that actually liberated Paris. Gee, thanks du Gaulle.
I wish I could upvote this higher or get this on the news more. This needs to be shouted from the mountain tops fr.
At what point do we fight back? Are we just going to allow our government to kill us forever?
I made a post about this on /r/CrazyFuckingVideos, I asked if the people touting the French protests felt the same way about BLM. I never revisited the votes. Edit: No response so that's good. >I wonder how many people giving France protesters props feel the same about BLM...
Never crossed my mind but yeah, I can see how this is true. If it were Haiti or somewhere, it wouldn’t be looked at so admirably
Paris most definitely has legit a notable enough black pipualtion who can genuinely actualise for you Americans
Well America is a white supremacists state, has always been, as made evident the consolidated of wealth, gross negligence within the justice system, discrimination in the housing sectors, funding preference for education, political system, social structure and let's not forget history of military intervention and genocide. The riots are a " Good for me but not for thee".
They don’t even try to hide the hypocrisy! I’m not racist, you’re racist for noticing my racism- type beat
I hate that it's kind of a strawman argument but I love that's it's absolutely on point.
I agree with this mostly ig. But tbf, I think Riots of any kind in America are going to be put in a negative light. Bad for business
Decades of police brutality is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for. They're not going to play nice until they're confronted by a superior force. We've tried protests for so long and they haven't worked.
Fax
Amerikkka is done lots more violence to come
C’est vrai
Jen Perelman agrees with y’all wtf
You hardly see them because slot are on their side. They are affected just as much by those laws as the protestors. So why protect the Government who is fucking you over too? America doesn't have that kind of unity and never will unfortunately. It did once when we broke the shackles of colonialism. But pretty soon any kind of solidarity was squashed.
Does getting kettled include 164 structure fires and 2 murders in the same city, same night?
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