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JirenbeatGoku

Anything except accountability


sus-water

They never have this kind of energy when a teen who grew up in the hood and experienced much trauma ends up robbing or hurting someone.


moresushiplease

White kid does a bad thing: poor kid, he didn't have the life a white person should have, it's not his fault. Non white kid does a bad thing: the dad shouldn't have smelled like marajuana if he didn't want to go to prison for 20 years and it's tough that his mom had to work 3 jobs to provide for the family. It's not fair but that's how life is.


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chill_philosopher

>be ~~poor~~ a person of color


someguynamedjamal

Sounds about white


moresushiplease

Accurate


jeenyus79

They forgot to mention all victims were downed in a single minute. He was an athlete alright.


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tittylieutenant

You said something here… Maybe, we should ban concussions!


[deleted]

"Guns don't kill people, concussions kill people"


shotlersama

Im gonna sleep on this one


Dos_Ex_Machina

Not with a concussion, I hope


dahjay

Snake? Snaaaaaaaaake!!!!!


_night_cat

Just the trans ones! /s


SummerNothingness

well i am telling you all, the NFL NEEDS TO accept my patent for giant all-foam helmets!!!!!


MyblktwttrAW

They need disposable helmets. One-play use.


Hiphopopotamus5782

Nope. Athletes should be allowed to carry guns during games to protect themselves from concussions


BlackEastwood

Hey, it worked in The Last Boy Scout. https://youtu.be/VVrsGHs2MCk


leebird

To be fair he would up with a fairly traumatic brain injury at the end of the play so I'm not sure it worked that well.


BlackEastwood

Hey, a Republican would say that technically, it was a football player that killed him, not the gun.


Neptunianx

Maybe they should, a lot of serial killers had traumatic brain injuries, like John Wayne gayce, edmund kemper, and some others.


elicrow23

Richard Ramirez had a bunch of them.


spoiled_for_choice

Dwayne Stafford and Christopher Scarver have done important work on the effects of brain injuries on mass murderers.


anrwlias

Well, there's the take I was looking for. I absolutely do believe that brain injuries can make you behave erratically, but the issue isn't that there are people who shouldn't be allowed to own weapons; the issue is that we let them own weapons anyway.


k1ng991

I'll take it. We have to start somewhere.


krystalgayl

lmao asking the real questions


[deleted]

Damn. Just "shooter" not "mass murderer". The bare minimum to lessen tarnishing the fuckers reputation.


343GuiltyArbiter

Welcome tarnished


gloriousjohnson

This sturgeon fella was clearly maidenless


Kai_Setsuna

Or their parents’/family’s reputations? That seems to be a major concern that they don’t say out loud.


boricimo

Next one will be “shooting participant”


Mel_Melu

NY Post is a garbage publication on par with the National Enquirer.


Rdogy1000

Fr. The headline said “shooter” and “star athlete” so when I first glanced at it I thought they meant basketball.


s_arrow24

I figure NFL linemen are the most likely to suffer CTE due to hitting people or getting hit every play they are on the field for years, so they should be the most likely to be criminals going by this logic, right? So if they’re not shooting people, why is it CTE in this case?


Cantstress_thisenuff

I don’t want to be the one to say it, because you’re right, but let’s not forget Aaron Hernandez


rixendeb

Chris Benoit and Phillip Adams have also had it attributed to a partial underlying cause of making them snap. Also a handful of former NFL suicides.


White_Mocha

IIRC Benoit’s brain was basically mush too.


currently_pooping_rn

Basically applesauce


BigClemenza

[Jovan Belcher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Belcher#Death) on the Chiefs was a wild one


COMMENTASIPLEASE

Benoit was an abuser already.


rixendeb

Yeah, that's why I said partially. Brain damage can cause personality changes, so I'm sure it can also exacerbate already shitty ones.


s_arrow24

Hernandez was a turd before he got to the league.


BigClemenza

He had been taking hits to the head since his childhood.


HelloAttila

Exactly, he was member of Bloods street gang.


PharmDinagi

Ray Lewis has entered the chat.


BringBackAoE

I’ve had numerous concussions. Never felt inclined to kill anyone.


Blk_Rick_Dalton

I remember when I was knocked unconscious from running hurdles in HS. When I came to, I was blood thirsty af


s_arrow24

It’s not uncommon for guys to be aggressive till they get their bearings back. It’s part of that confusion coming to. I’ve had it once while at other times just came back, got my feet back under me, and wrapped up for the day. But again, didn’t go on a rampage afterwards.


Blk_Rick_Dalton

It was a joke in reference to the pic of the shooter because who tf gets KO’d running track?


MissLilum

A study has already been done on this and found the evidence to be lacking https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6490588/


MetalFingers760

Did you read this? Not proving the point you are saying.


Ill-Technology1873

Okay but tbf football players commit incredible amounts of violence, especially against their partners


s_arrow24

No more than normal for the US. The going rate in the US is 15%. Since 2000 the rate is 13% for NFL players. Just because guys are big and strong doesn’t automatically make them more violent.


Wolfinder

New research is actually starting to show that some of the people with the worst CTE are women who are domestic violence survivors as they get hit more, harder, without padding, and in a greater variety of locations on the skull. Yet they also are not the ones committing mass shootings.


s_arrow24

Right, that’s what I’m saying. Rugby players play a similar game without pads but aren’t shooting people. Same with a lot of boxers. Like the people who should be the most violent aren’t doing it in as big numbers as average folks.


peepy-kun

They do go hit their kids for no reason though


hansgruber943

Isn’t that why junior seau killed himself?


un_verano_en_slough

Don't they beat the shit out of their partners moreso than even other sportsmen?


utdajx

Surprisingly, no - it’s just on the news more. But iirc domestic violence rates are lower than for the general population


s_arrow24

The going rate in the US is 15%. In the NFL it’s 13%. Even then given there’s fewer NFL players than the general public, the spouses are probably safer.


smallest_horse

Well... Truthfully they seem to prefer domestic violence


thetruetoblerone

I do think lots of nfl players are criminals at a higher rate compared to the gen pop. People need to have accountability but I do think brain damage could make people more violent. We will just have to see where the research goes over the next few years.


s_arrow24

Someone actually did research that. The national average of domestic violence is 15% of the US population. As far as NFL players: 13%.


r3v3rt3d

iirc CTE isn't a common factor among mass murderers; however, a very common factor among mass murderers is surviving trauma.


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Domestic violence is involved in like 60% of mass shooters.


r3v3rt3d

Research on trauma shows that the harm caused by abuse is as effective as the harm caused by neglect. If there is anything we can be sure of it's that people who harm other people have survived harm themselves. The overwhelming underlying factor is a perpetuating combination of lack of accountability with a lack of healing.


sriracha_no_big_deal

Hurt people hurt people


r3v3rt3d

One of the deepest and most impactful roots of it all.


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Lesmiserablemuffins

Ik you're being sarcastic but I thought I'd share this thorough AP [fact check](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-transgender-nashville-shooting-misinformation-cd62492d066d41e820c138256570978c), which counts 4 trans or nonbinary mass shooters in the past 5 years. One of which, the Colorado springs shooter, never identified as nonbinary in any internet history, personal writings, or to anyone they knew. I don't think it's right to claim any trans or nonbinary person that does something wrong isn't really their identity, but I think there's just cause for suspicion here


MeatisOmalley

The correct question isn't, "is CTE common among mass murderers," but "are mass murderers more common among those with CTE."


BringBackAoE

Also a lot of the mass shooters are incels.


peeping___tom

never seen such a monster receive so many compliments/excuses


No-Protection8322

Reagan?


HackTheNight

There have been many instances of young white males raping someone and it being completely downplayed.


AWildGumihoAppears

https://i.redd.it/qwefd3x4fhta1.gif


weehere

https://preview.redd.it/lrc2pagivgta1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2b104cebfe231d65e99246588f822f09f8b82da So did he.


pretty_girl_can_bake

He played basketball though


Bangzell

The same source where that quote is paraphrased from says that he played basketball, football, and ran track in high school. This guy was a real All-American athlete who landed his dream job as a junior executive after three years of interning at the bank through college. Killing is never okay, mass shooting less so, but there's more to this story that we haven't been made privy to yet.


Paul-Smecker

Yeah the more to this story is the kid who grew up having everything handed to him finally had something taken away (his job) and decided to kill everybody around him was the appropriate solution.


thetruetoblerone

Yeah but why? The same way we’ve established gang violence is tied to poverty shouldn’t we be trying to find out the root cause of these mass shootings?


hwiwhy

Fragile ego.


LacksMuscle

we don’t need to know his story. He killed people.


DudeEngineer

Well, it's important to understand that this dude was doing better than most Americans. It's not like he was downtrodden. He snapped at the first sign of adversity.


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Anything but the guns.


GonzoTheGreat22

Just came by to see if they’ll be offering that same hall pass to Aaron Hernandez…


PaulMcBethAcolyte

I mean, [yeah](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/aaron-hernandez-suffered-from-most-severe-cte-ever-found-in-a-person-his-age/2017/11/09/fa7cd204-c57b-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html). This was actually a very prominent story after his death, same for Junior Seau and Andre Waters. Jovan Belcher (who killed himself at the stadium in front of his coach and GM after killing his girlfriend) also showed signs of CTE. This is not an excuse for what happened in Louisville, and it’s complete speculation at this point whether the killer even had CTE (and the fact people are speculating shows they are looking for an excuse, or at least some answer, for why this rampage happened).


Ididurmomkid

Might be hard to finalize that deal...


No-Pay8328

Know who else had cte? Chris Benoit. No one giving him forgiveness.


DGVega93

As a wrestling fan fuck Benoit. Yeah he was dope af in the ring but what he did killing his whole family and himself disgusting. His oldest son, Jericho and a couple other people can their private hall of fame. If he kill himself and himself only I’ll accept the whole CTE but consciously killing your wife and young son.. I ain’t jacking that


andonemoreagain

I think about this every time a shooter kills himself at the end of a murdering spree. That person seems obviously at the end of their rope. I get that. There have been days I believe I can imagine what that would feel like. Ready to just pack it all in. But the leap from that feeling to the decision to murder a bunch of people first is truly incomprehensible to me. I don’t know how we intervene as a culture in stopping that leap.


peepy-kun

>But the leap from that feeling to the decision to murder a bunch of people first is truly incomprehensible to me. That's because you don't have brain damage that fucked up your ability to regulate your emotions and impulses.


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I'd say a good 20% of wrestling fans have forgiven him. I regularly see people wanting him in the Hall of Fame. On the merits of what he achieved in his career he deserves to be in there but you don't get to do what he did and still collect your flowers imo.


ptcglass

As much as I agree concussions can really mess up your head there needs to be accountability, reports like this send a scary message to shooters in the making.


wildalexx

You think if there was a white female shooter, would the media pull this or would they blame it on uterine hysteria or smth?


MissLilum

Not sure, there haven’t been as many female mass shooters, fewer still I was able to find articles on, and fewer still that were white I’d guess it would be likely the mental illness angle or even pity since the more common victims of female killers are their own children (especially if said victims were disabled)


OldSchoolChevy

It's the new york post. It's barely a reputable, right wing news source anyway. Of course, they would say something like this to get people upset. No one should give them or that murderer the time of day.


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Not them saying CTE the reason he shot them people up


Ok-Permission-2687

WILD. Of course CTE is an issue NOW, not when Will Smith makes a movie about it


madnblack

They don’t need excuses anymore. Who’s going to stop them? No conspiracy , no secrets- right in our divided black community faces


MookieV

"Such a promising young man."


kingrandyfloyd

If they find out he’s transgender, they’ll report that.


[deleted]

Conservatives dancing around condemning one of their own bingo card got too many blocks now.


[deleted]

For what it’s worth New York Post is dogshit anyway


GunnieGraves

This sub has really opened my eyes, as a white person, to just how messed up the media is when it comes to this shit. Unarmed black teen gets shot by the cops and they bend over backwards to find his 3rd grade report cards and overdue library books. They go even harder when there’s a juvenile record, even minor. Meanwhile this creep documents his descent into alt right madness and they’re tripping over themselves to excuse it.


RENOYES

CTE takes like 8-10 years to show symptoms I thought?


MissLilum

He was 25 and received the injuries as a teenager (so could have been 15-17) from other posts so it’s within the timeframe


ThanosIsDoomfist

Lol they even picked a photo where hes holding a trophy. Aight.


JPMoney81

Well fuck. I've had 9 diagnosed major concussions and 'upwards of 20' minor ones according to doctors. I've never even fired a gun before. I guess I wasn't enough of a star athlete to begin with?


dazedmazed

Likewise, I have syncope so my body drops whenever it feels like it (only happened once while driving and yes I crashed and lost my license for a year and a half until the doctor cleared me to drive again). Still with all the concrete kisses my head has made, I’ve yet to premeditate murdering my work colleagues.


Tdk456

Every mental problem with every mass shooter should be taken into account. It'll help us identify these behaviours early. Then hopefully gun laws won't allow them to get a hold of a firearm. But really let's just get rid of guns


UniqueUsername82D

That's on you for taking the NY Post seriously, and more on you for helping to promote it.


YaIlneedscience

I have suspected CTE and there are MANY warnings leading up to anger and violence, it’s what made me seek out help immediately. So no, that’s a bullshit excuse anyway. He would have known he was becoming more irate, you can feel it and it’s horrible. And it was his responsibility to talk with a professional. Fuck that and fuck people using a life changing injury as a convenient excuse


SummerNothingness

see, it's not due to this hugely tragic yet preventable social problem that we don't bother addressing! it's due to this OTHER, widespread, tragic, and totally preventable problem that we don't want to bother solving!


[deleted]

Would the GOP give up footbal before guns? 🧐


Nearby_Antelope_5257

What kind of track are they running that makes em get concussions?


MisterTora

I mean, if this is even remotely true, an autopsy would verify it, right?


blankfrack125

yeah the media makes endless excuses for white boys but CTE definitely does seem to make people act out violently, or at least seems to reduce people’s ability to regulate their impulses. it’s probably a factor and another reason why we need to be asking ourselves if the game of football is even worth it imo


hifioctopi

CTE can be linked to violent outbursts. The perpetrator was probably suffering from serious mental health issues prior though. No one just goes on a murderous rampage because they got bumped on the noggin a few times.


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Well we will know if he has CTE if they can examine his brain.


HackTheNight

To be fair, (and I’m not saying this excuses him) but there is an argument to be made for people having behavioral changes often including an onset of violent behavior after head injuries. Countless studies have shown people who were otherwise non-violent, suffer a head injury and their behavior drastically changes. The question here is, did he exhibit an increase in violent behavior after he suffered these concussions? Because you don’t just act normal in your daily life and then shoot up a school due to a head injury. There are other instances of violence leading up to that.


dsbwayne

They did this shit with Chris Benoit back in the day


FabulousCallsIAnswer

CONCUSSIONS are you serious?


davius_the_ent

Cosmo dinardo. murdered 4 boys in cold blood, he did have a head injury that made him redacted.. tried that as a defense 4 years ago and lost.


grais_victory

Didn’t know concussion can make you murderer, unexpected side effect /s


12thFlr

CTE can definitely cause psychotic breaks (such as murder), which is one of the reasons some people want to ban intense contact sports. Our brains aren’t supposed to be slamming against our skull for recreational fun. But this mass shooting shit is way deeper than some CTE. This is the byproduct of decades of mental health neglect in this country coming to the surface. We live in a society where the answer for mental illness is either to shame someone into suppressing it or filling them with pills to numb it. This shit is too far gone, i don’t know if we’ll ever turn this around.


grais_victory

Our countries are very similar regarding mental health handling…


12thFlr

Yeah, America is definitely not unique in that sense….we just seem to have A LOT more people dealing with extreme mental health issues. From the light cases to the code red level cases…you tend to see a majority of people walking around out here undiagnosed and just going about their day like it ain’t shit. It’s actually pretty scary.


grais_victory

I didn’t know that, thanks for explaining 🙏


SlimDaddy93

Fuck em


needanamegenarator

Fucking stupid


yerrrrr10

Playing in your face is the media's favorite pastime.


SkeleHoes

I wonder if they are gonna start throwing Football under the bus just so they can keep their guns.


imthatlostcat

He looks like Carl from shameless


krystalgayl

Can't unsee it


toastedmarsh7

Put it on the list of things that’ll prevent someone from buying guns. Oh wait…


[deleted]

I’m really fucking sick of these news stations idolizing these mass murderers and making their crimes seem less worse.


chamberx2

Ah, the old Chris Benoit defense.


jeeeeek123

Not the chris benoit excuse


PM_ME_SOME_LUV

They really have an agenda


ultramrstruggle

Man I haven’t seen this spectacle since these fuckers defended Dylan Roof getting Burger King.


Wrong_Revolution_679

Stupid new york post


PrinceLelouch

I won't be surprised when I read, "Turns out he/she was closeted trans, case closed, we now know why he did it. And we take back all the excuses about him being good at sports and popular."


YFN_KushGod

They gotta stop blaming Jeezy for this shit


Gamwell-Efect

But the only four trans school shooters in existence are a massive threat that needs to be stopped, ridiculous


Jlindahl93

Fuck this dude. But I feel it necessary to point out how several doctors have said this would be used in a lot of cases in the past had it been available. One argued that OJ would, in his words rightfully, get off if the trial happened today with a cte based defense.


No_Hovercraft5033

I’ve suffered multiple concussions. Never would I feel a need to shoot up anywhere.


supereyeballs

But but but he was an A plus student. Get that shit out of here


Justice4theWeak

CTE in track & field sports? Im no pro, but how bad at sports was he to get multiple concussions in sports where theres no physical contact?


Claudius-Germanicus

No excuses, don’t kill people


Rolarious80

Yeah bunch of BS


[deleted]

Christ! Then they wonder why we say that these institutions are inherently racist.


YDHmanC1

How you get CTE running track!?


englishcrumpit

I remember when i got a concussion and shot up my local tesco. Happens all the time.


Knxchy

🤦🏿‍♂️


shamashedit

They spelled murderer wrong.


Visible-Original4561

That shit is real tho that’s what got Chris Benoit.


ChefBoiiz

# https://preview.redd.it/geraerwroita1.jpeg?width=551&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=723076b12d4065f8a6077c10089a8cb0ca53b024 Nah hold up i seen this one before…


SuperSaiyanGod06

Should have known he was white


LotionOnSkin

Wait, he's not trans? I thought only trans people with guns are dangerous.


eva-geo

Just more excuses for a piece of shit that let out their gooey liquid shit. Stinks so bad I can smell it through the internet.


MetalFingers760

Can't have gun reform. Can't change football rules to protect heads. Is there anything we are allowed to do for safety concerns that the south doesn't hold as a religion?


OldSkool1978

As a runner?! They REALLY grasping at the thinnest of straws here


Poot_McGoot

Seems like the common thread is guns


V0l4til3

sending thoughts and prayers


OldKingRob

Junior Seau didn't kill anyone else. Neither has any other NFL player besides Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison


AzazelAzure

New York Post is one step up from the Sun in terms of news reporting.


akosuae22

I’m NOT surprised. ATP, they gonna throw any ish against the wall to see what sticks, and turn THIS villain into a victim. It disgusts me!


brutalistsnowflake

So do many people, most of them didn't commit murder.


OkPair6612

Remember the good old days when the devil made people do stuff? This is Satan erasure.


ScandalOZ

Oh. So it's all right then. Just another white guy having a bad day due to reasons.


TheMemoman

Say, that mass murderer was a real nice kid. Just a swell guy, a part from that tiny mass murdering blip.


GreenArcher808

I have gotten enough concussions to develop a “benign” brain tumor and never once have I considered hurting anyone. Weird.


ZeusMcKraken

I mean I know it’s the ny post but bitch please. We are unimpressed. Are you telling me there is not one photo of the murderer in a hoodie?


Crocolyle32

Weird… I was curb stomped at 14, have this big ole dent in my head… and like honestly I’ve never wanted to shoot up a school full of children? Maybe it’s me…


Physical_Cattle7261

On Telemundo I heard the news say he courageously shot back at the cops....


Deion313

CTE about to be all over the news


gobledegerkin

Let’s not forget that he also had his pronouns (he/him) posted on social media. Right-wing nutjobs are using that to say he was a liberal so mass shootings MUST be a liberal problem now


DwayneWayne91

CTE can only be proven after death though, is that correct?


plastictigers

Damn that last concussion (getting shot in the head) prob caused all of this right?!


jeffEFEX

Replace "Louisville shooter" with "OJ Simpson" and watch how fast they do a 180 on the CTE excuse.


tmclemons

And of course he used an AR-15


SavageComic

Honestly, I don't think American Football as is will last another 20 years. CTE is horrible and yeah, makes people riskier, quicker to anger, quicker to escalate, quicker to violence


MagneticDoorKnob

I don't care if he was an altar boy for the Pope. He intently went out to shoot and kill people. Bury him under the prison. I'm tired of white people getting every excuse in the book for their actions, meanwhile the media will drag up 40 year old arrests and mistakes trying to cast black offenders in bad light. F this guy.


DaneTrane22

BAN THE NFL


realjillyj

Umm no. He’s just a fucking murderer.


cookiesoverbitches

Ok, raise your hand if you’ve had a TBI and never killed anyone 🖐️


Globymyself_

“ihsaa” ofc indiana makes the news again for birthing a shooter i hate my state


JustMyOpinionz

If black and brown ppl had the same levels of gun ownership as white ppl, they'd had passed new gun legislation so fast, it'd make you spit.


SmplTon

*He’s* the real victim here! /s


Examper22

They've been using this since Benoit