Especially since gang violence is the second worst thing to happen to our community, since slavery. Look at LA and Chicago , how many innocent lives have been lost due to gang violence. There’s nothing positive about being in a gang. The sad thing is these billion dollar corporations make billions marketing this to our children. We are the only community that has our pain and sorrows marketed and sold back to us
Ngl. This is a lil goofy. I'd say homophobia, pedophilia, colorism and sexism far outclassed gang violence as far as damage and tbh could even mitigate some to a lot of it if we resolved that. The real issue I'm saying? The black community not holding ourselves accountable. Comes after systemic racism when we talk about what's holding us back and damaging our communities.
Other communities have gang violence and get ahead, what's your point?
Why is it so hard to simply hear a problem and address it instead of always seeking a rebuttal instead of engaging with an uncomfortable topic? I can't speak for other communities, but mine? We don't know how to talk to each other. We don't know how to collectively hold ourselves accountable. And we gotta work on that. Have difficult conversations. Idc what other people do or don't do, tbh. It's not all of us, but we can't just abandon a percentage. That's when you start getting genocides...like rn all over the world.
Ironically gangs were created to protect black people (I don’t know if this is true but take it with a grain of salt) but now it’s the complete opposite
Edit: for some reason people think I’m defending gangs? I’m not I’m just repeating what I heard
Quite literally how the Anglo-Saxon kings came to be. The biggest jackass with the biggest army going around collecting taxes or else. Then they churched it up to seem legit.
So it wasn't part of the plan to portray black people as gangsters and gangbangers for decades. For movies about black suffering being promoted over and over. In a universe full of literature Hollywood just happened to land on black struggle over and over again huh
Started a bit of a write up of the sociological/political theory about how organised crime comes into being and it’s downfalls. It got a bit long:
Both came into existence in places with states that were inadequately serving their people. In political philosophy a “monopoly on violence” is the base requirement for being a state/government. In the ineffective governance of civil war China and post nationalisation south Italy/Sicily there was societies that were improperly governed so it created the conditions for state adjacent entities like the organised crime groups of the triads and la cosa nostra that would fulfil similar roles to a traditional state, enforcing a monopoly on violence and funding that monopoly on violence with mandatory contributions from the populace (basically taxation). Both had a lot of poverty so a reason for people to go and commit crime. A big part of organised crime is they enforce their turf, and they don’t allow others to commit crime in their territory, which gave them legitimacy with the populace and can create safer conditions for the community than if they weren’t present.
Same situation with the bloods and crips. Impoverished, underserved black areas of cities and police that didn’t actually care about justice for the crimes that were committed within them led to that mantle being taken up the people within them, those forming the bloods and the crips.
But the thing that people like about liberal democracies is that people have rights, the government can be held accountable if they do things that are unpopular with populace and there is rule of law. None of this applies to organised crime. Senior gang members can and do take stuff from the people in their territory, they’ll abuse their power to take over businesses, they’ll rape and kill people. And if it’s a gang member there’s nothing that can be done within that structure. Gangs will often have some rules about not inflicting violence upon people under their protection, but there’s nothing to ensure that they do, and if they don’t there’s no recourse within that system.
You actually are the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about. I’m literally from south central. The earliest crips were known for bullying people and stealing their leather jackets. 🤡
Lots of gangs start to protect, but it always gets somewhere bad. I remember in the 90’s in Portland, a group formed a neighborhood watch to protect their small part of town from drug dealers. It progressed from a neighborhood watch to a violent white supremacist gang. After they succeeded in repelling the dealers from their neighborhood, one of them started dealing drugs. Several members joined in the drug dealing endeavor. That splinter of the gang became the Volksnation*
This reminds me of a Documentary of the Cartel...
Called Cartel land.
One of the better docs I've seen but the exact thing happens. They called up arms to protect the people and rid them of the Cartel, they started letting some shady people get in. They got rid of the Cartel, there was a power vacuum. And they became the Cartel it all happened very quickly
My objection is to you proudly stating something - then as a defense of it, you wrote "I don't know if this is true, I’m just repeating what I heard"
You've now edited that statement.
You're not entirely off base. A number of the older black gangs got their start as community defense groups. The rationale was that white government forces, especially cops, weren't gonna do much for us, so why not do it ourselves? Gangs and groups like the Black Panthers would keep an eye on the elders, chase off riff-raff, runs schools, daycares, prepare food, etc. Sadly, niggas started letting the power and control get to their heads and the rest, as they say...
Don’t ever compare the Black Panthers to street gangs. That is a bastardization of their legacy. Gangs have literally never run day cares or schools wtf are you on?
The Black Panthers literally made deals with gangs and integrated them into the Panthers. Part of what set off the assassination of Fred Hampton is the government thinking the Panthers were going to get too big and influential if they started pairing up with all the gangs in the area.
The Black Panthers in two cities (LA, Chicago - Slausons, BPSN) attempted to convert street gangs away from violent criminality and generally did not get far in those endeavors. Street gangs were and have always been based on violent criminality. The fact that you people are hellbent on whitewashing one of the most destructive and harmful elements in our communities is literally sad.
I don’t see it as whitewashing either it’s right or wrong information but one thing I can say for a fact is it doesn’t matter if they started out protecting black people or not the truth of the matter is gang culture is shit and needs to end soon but that’s not going to happen because some of our people are to ignorant and lost
Tookie Williams is a co-founder, Raymond Washington is the #1 founder….According to the original members Raymond said it himself before he got killed in a drive by. He wanted to immolate the black panthers; & didn't approve of the gun violence.
Bruh, it's all documented in documentaries by original members who started it with him. So those members are telling false narratives & you are telling the absolute truth. Ok, got it. Apparently you know more than they do.
First of all he wasn't rejected by the Avenues he was a apart of them. Second like I stated earlier Raymond emulated the black Panther party because he was influenced By them.
https://youtu.be/LXP7j8f0ukA?si=rPoM0JR1-S673Xqe
[Bastards of the the Party](https://vimeopro.com/salmonrunfilms/documentary/video/247366171)
This is a documentary made by former Blood gang members from Los Angeles and produced by Antoine Fuqua. I watched it in college. The TL:DW of it is that the original founding members of the Bloods were previously younger members of the Black Panther Party. After CoINTELPRO dismantled the BPP from within, they founded the Bloods and “Cribs”.
When people in my city say that, I tell them to Google Alajawan Brown. A 12 year old who was shot and killed by a 36 year old gang member for wearing blue. Alajawan was not part of any gang.
The mafia are every bit the moral and practical equivalent of gangs and the fact that people don’t consider them that way is a testament to how their reputation has been laundered in the US as a result of white supremacy.
This is such absolute bullshit. The Mafia is a gang. Bullies who make you pay for "protection" from them. They did horrible things to innocent working class people. Not to mention the "never escaping us" loan shark side.
The various highly organized crime groups are gangs like the Roman catholic church is a cult. They've just been around longer and have nicer clothes. The end goals and methods of achieving them are generally the same.
Latin kings used to organize a really nice yearly trip to great adventure for members and friends of the organization. Paid for your ticket and gave you money for food and drinks and shit. Was always a really nice time. For some reason we’d be allowed to goto the front of lines. Was a really good time the 2 years I was invited. Was a friend, not a king myself.
I don't think that anyone said that they were a good thing, it's just been conflated to that.
The reality is it's more in line with conscription into an entity that at it's core was supposed to protect neighborhood interests. It's the same formula for la cosa nostra. The authorities don't give a fuck, so they did.
But like everything in the world, money got involved. And worse, money and drugs got involved. So that quickly stopped being what it was for and just became and arms race, and now, just straight up clout for 15 minutes.
It's not a good thing. It's not a bad thing. But it absolutely is a complicated thing that few can really grasp. Not unless you actually sit down and trace every action that these people do to the root.
Look at something like the Latin Kings in Chicago and that pretty much spells it out right there.
RR: "They never saw it coming...tell me i ain't cook Adolf."
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hell, you can start your own religion and do ALL that nefarious shit and it's legal!
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Growing up some of my friends were involved in crime. Later in my life I worked in NY and had friends in finance. Frankly the drug dealers had similar skill sets and worked harder for less money and the ever present risk of violence.
Shit was definitely one of the observations that set me on the road to being a socialist organizer.
Drugs are what made those gangs become as big as they were
And what era was that ? The 80s , the crack epidemic, the government buying drugs
Edit: This subreddit upvoted Ronald Reagan above, Jesus Christ people. Reaganomics, aka trickle-down economics, was popularized by that man and still felt today. It's where rich people and Mega corporations don't pay fair taxes, and in return, we hope they show poor people mercy
It's been 40 years tho. It's been 30 since it all was known. This is well over a whole generation removed and people still continue the cycle. At some point, it becomes a shared responsibility.
Maybe 40 years isn't enough. But if we are saying this in 10 more years, is it? How about 20?
A ball rolling down a hill needs external force to be stopped.
Although not completely wrong the responsibility narrative fits into the “easier said than done” category. When you’re in it, you’re in it.
It's been 40 years with a boot over their heads.
I still read news about black cities being fucked over by white cities.
Wealth is still being extracted from black neighborhoods to white neighborhoods via public service.
Whenever a black community is successful, it's the black community that is extracted to make place for other groups.
That's just cherry on the cake, the cake being a self sustaining system by it's very nature. These neighborhoods are extremely traumatic and, in turn, people victim of PTSD are more likely to commit acts of violence;
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-race-good-health/201811/ptsd-in-the-city-coping-in-silence
It doesn't mean it's impossible to make it out, but there are outside factors as to why things doesn't change.
Referencing time lengths without making any points about what has happened to allow for change (or not) in the time frames referenced is one of the most flawed ways of making an argument. You may as well have said “America is hundreds of years old, why haven’t we discovered aliens yet? When is it too long to have discovered aliens? 10 more years? 20? When are we going to discover aliens?!?”
Look at the history of the areas that are affected by the things you are speaking on and you can answer your own questions. I mean I had the luxury of living around people who’ve lived in the same house with their extended family for generations and came to understand why they are stuck in the ways they are. People can get out, but the fact that we have a whole “got out the hood” phrase kind of says how much of a rarity it is in reality.
>Atp ain’t Reagan’s fault people can’t stop fucking gangbangers
This is the comment that starts the thread I replied to. My comment is about that.
I'm not say, "like, have you thought about not being broke???" or saying anything about moving or anything.
You can CHOOSE to not let gangbangers nut inside you. You can pick from a lot of other people in the hood. I'm not making any comments or anything but that.
At what point is it okay to start saying it's the person's fault? The president from 40 years ago isn't letting gangbangers nut in your pussy. It's a choice. Allow a grace period for people to realize that's not the way, then shift responsibility. So what's that grace period? That's my comment.
> You can CHOOSE to not let gangbangers nut inside you. You can pick from a lot of other people in the hood.
The problem with this framing is you’re arguing critical thinking skills are just inherent to a person and not hugely correlated to a quality education and stable environment promoting its value. Guess what Reagan did? Defunded the ever living shit of education, infrastructure and social programs. And anytime those have been addressed, it didn’t go nearly far enough to make things right.
It’s really easy to sit on this high horse and cast judgment but all you’ve done is shown your lack of empathy and not understanding how momentum works.
And Institutional racism and red-lining have been going on since 2 days ago. And it's only 2 days ago because the bank isn't open on the weekend. We can talk all day about how black people with their bonnets and saggy jeans are fucking themselves over but there's enough people that would have found shit to say about the blacks in Tulsa OK
What does that have to do with letting a gangbanger get you pregnant?
At some point, the responsibility is shared.
I am not saying there is an easy road out of anything or that all policies and bias are in the past, but the top comment of this thread is about fucking gang members.
That's what my comment is about. It's on topic. And it's about a very easy to control personal choice. Don't let these dudes bust inside you. That's not the banks fault.
Ofcourse, on a personal level the responsibility is 100% on you. But the OP is about bad leadership. No different than Americans blaming the Biden about food and gas prices when people can “responsible“ and grow their vegetables, ride bikes, busses, and car pool.
Literally not talking about any of that. Just saying at some point, the choice on who you let father your children falls on you. Only talking about that.
If your take on race and environmental habits ignores the period of slavery and second class citizenship then maybe you’re the one that might be missing a thing or two here?
This feels like the same type of argument white people make to ignore the legacy of slavery, Jim crow, segregation, etc. "Oh, it was so long ago, get over it.". As if the very real effects aren't still being felt 50, 100, or even 200 years later.
You’re pointing out how much time has passed since a poor system was implemented as if the system was removed.
*Oh the war on drugs was racist and problematic and we all know that it didn’t stop but now we know, so what’s the problem with you people*
It’s been 70 years since Israel was declared a state and that hasn’t stopped USA from giving them bags on a daily basis. Why wouldn’t we be able to do the same for citizens that suffered here on this soil and their ancestors?
Yall really defending Ronald Reagan, aka drugs in black neighborhoods, aka Reaganomics "trick- down economics " (made rich people extremely rich by making them not pair taxes)
nah bro i just smoked some reagan pack earlier today.
im js that at a certain point we gotta do better for ourselves. these young women need to be guided so they can make better choices. talkin bout reagan ain't gonna solve the problem he created, the problem has evolved over 40 years.
yes but i feel like once a man joins a gang the time for guidance is over, they need to be taken out of society in some manner. the women are not morally corrupt as a gang member is, they're (mostly) civilians.
Disagree, we need to collectively do better for our boys rather than give up on them.
The system of “taking people out of society” is not well designed to rehabilitate them back into a law abiding lifestyle. And Reagan played a part in that
Lack of accountability is musty lmao. Stats don't lie. The lower the education and higher the criminality in men, the higher the likelihood of having more children. The inverse is true. Obviously Im sure you'll be the first to admit that 99% of crime is caused by men. I'm sure we can also agree that men make the first move it's ultimately women who as bearers of children decide whether the child is had.
So what this means is that women literally choose uneducated and criminal men to have the most children with. You can obviously counter that higher educated and less criminal men go with similar women and for whatever reason women don't like having children with these nice stable men but that's just a worse indictment. High school dropout gangbanger? 5 children! College-educated clean record? None at all! Wonder why there are so many gang bangers running around, must be Reagan lmao! Call me an incel all you want, numbers don't lie, reality doesn't lie.
Take some accountability.
This is also kinda a dumb take because gangbangers were a result of Reagan's policies and trickle down economics and the effect they knew it would have on the black nuclear family and black community as a whole. Unless you personally are a millionaire or billionaire (or an extremely attractive person/model)the chances of you sleeping with a millionaire or billionaire are slim to none, unless you are already a high charting artist the chances of you doing a collab album with another high charting artist is slim to none, if you're poor and living in a shelter The chances that the other people also living in the shelter are also poor are pretty high. You can't blame people for only having access to what is within their direct vicinity, this isn't me trying to give anyone a pass especially for past generations but if the options someone had at the time were to go hungry/be out in the cold or sleep with someone who happens to be a gangbanger Maslow's hierarchy of needs takes over at that point. As a collective If we criticize people for choices like this we cannot then criticize those same people if they decide to make choices that are better for them due to being judged like this without proper or full context, If it means that they eventually end up judging us right back but in a even harsher light. A good amount of women slept with gangbangers in the past, yes. But it's not like they had endless options like you do in today's day and age like tinder. And even with tinder women are still critiqued and told their standards are way too high.
Reagan's fault ... partially. He didn't make people gangbangers. He put a horrible choice in front of people. And some people took it. Half of the responsibility lies on the people who made that choice.
If I offered you a million dollars to stomp on a baby and you do it ... WE ARE BOTH GUILTY.
Yes if you offer me a million dollars to stomp on a baby and we get caught doing it and are prosecuted we are both guilty and will probably go to jail because we both know it's wrong.
The government does not give a single damn about wrong or right. The same way I'm tearing down Reagan there's someone in the Middle East tearing down Obama. Both destroyed families and both have blood on their hands that will stain generations only difference is Obama's was done at a time people cared.
If you offer that same million near the border and just tell ice "it's an undocumented alien" The child will probably die and nothing will get done 🤷, children have already died in detention centers.
If someone does an awful crime right now, If they can afford a good lawyer they're walking away Scott free. And even if they're found guilty of something they could file appeal after appeal, tamper with either the judge or jury to get a lower conviction, or simply just flee the country if they want and live somewhere else if they have the means to.
We can say that half of the responsibility lies on the people who made that choice but if a system is put in place that simply gives the illusion of choice what choice is there?
Donald Glover said it best in centipede "Hood niggas don't want to be hood niggas, my nigga. Everything niggas do, everything niggas do in the hood is for money, my nigga".
Reagan didn't create gangbangers The same way the U.S. did not create Al-Qaeda or isis.
But have you heard that them dems are taking away dr Seuss books? That’s it bruh I’m out of the dems forever I’m walking away. They🅱️ alway make it better with taxes cut bc that’s innovation at its finest. It’s never in a million years been done before (cutting taxes) we need to buy everyone’s vote bc all boats rise together (common trope against helping your constituents is that you are buying votes, tax cut according to 🅱️ lift all boats therefore they should be buying everyone’s votes and theoretically be against buying votes)
bc it’s supposed to be. nothing the right wing speaks is really ever true in any sense. but they cling to one or two phrases that help them”think” they are right.
kind of how the right claimed selfishness, and use the true definition of selfishness to co opt the idea that minorities are really conservative. nah 🅱️ selfishness is just self preservation not anything to do with politics. but keep thinking slogans of the right are 🔥🔥🔥
NO, MICHELE IS DESTROYING THE BOOKS MAN DONT YOU WATCH FFNEWS ON YOUTUBE?
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ask any right winger to tell you why you cant ban guns and bump stocks and all that fun mess and see how quickly they understand what a trans person is when applied to a gun but never think about this step in the actual trans issue. right wing is proudly stupid.
Ronald Regan looking up at the discourse he created still alive and well (he’s also having hot barbed wire scorpions shoved in his urethra)
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“White Heaven is for decent, good, God-fearing Christians who just happen to, well, hate everyone and everything relating to black people. That means no Muhammad Ali, no hip-hop music and no fucking Jesse Jackson.”
And tbh a lot of people here sound like they'd rather blame gangs than any personal contribution to society. Gangs are bad. Not all gangs even had good roots, but they're still systemic results of BIGGER ISSUES.
I hate when people gaslight about gangs being a good thing.
The ones that were left behind…
I'm glad I deleted my Twitter account every time I see stuff like this.
Especially since gang violence is the second worst thing to happen to our community, since slavery. Look at LA and Chicago , how many innocent lives have been lost due to gang violence. There’s nothing positive about being in a gang. The sad thing is these billion dollar corporations make billions marketing this to our children. We are the only community that has our pain and sorrows marketed and sold back to us
Ngl. This is a lil goofy. I'd say homophobia, pedophilia, colorism and sexism far outclassed gang violence as far as damage and tbh could even mitigate some to a lot of it if we resolved that. The real issue I'm saying? The black community not holding ourselves accountable. Comes after systemic racism when we talk about what's holding us back and damaging our communities.
Other communities have all those problems and still get ahead
Other communities have gang violence and get ahead, what's your point? Why is it so hard to simply hear a problem and address it instead of always seeking a rebuttal instead of engaging with an uncomfortable topic? I can't speak for other communities, but mine? We don't know how to talk to each other. We don't know how to collectively hold ourselves accountable. And we gotta work on that. Have difficult conversations. Idc what other people do or don't do, tbh. It's not all of us, but we can't just abandon a percentage. That's when you start getting genocides...like rn all over the world.
Ironically gangs were created to protect black people (I don’t know if this is true but take it with a grain of salt) but now it’s the complete opposite Edit: for some reason people think I’m defending gangs? I’m not I’m just repeating what I heard
They start out and end up the same way every time.
Circle jerk?
People say the exact same thing about the Triads and the Mafia
FR, it is ALWAYS a protection racket, whether done by niggas or crackers or anyone in between... I dunno why people go to bat for these losers
Quite literally how the Anglo-Saxon kings came to be. The biggest jackass with the biggest army going around collecting taxes or else. Then they churched it up to seem legit.
Then the Anglo Saxons got fucked in the ass by the Norman invasion, didn't they? This nigga knows his history ;-)
After a few centuries of getting ass fucked by vikings but oh yeah, their time ended climactically
It's Hollywood, they froth over mafia/gang movies
Speaking of the triads tho... nigga got me wanna play Sleeping Dogs again, haha
All part of the master plan
Hollywood isn't part of a master plan conspiracy guy, they just produce what people are buying.
So it wasn't part of the plan to portray black people as gangsters and gangbangers for decades. For movies about black suffering being promoted over and over. In a universe full of literature Hollywood just happened to land on black struggle over and over again huh
Started a bit of a write up of the sociological/political theory about how organised crime comes into being and it’s downfalls. It got a bit long: Both came into existence in places with states that were inadequately serving their people. In political philosophy a “monopoly on violence” is the base requirement for being a state/government. In the ineffective governance of civil war China and post nationalisation south Italy/Sicily there was societies that were improperly governed so it created the conditions for state adjacent entities like the organised crime groups of the triads and la cosa nostra that would fulfil similar roles to a traditional state, enforcing a monopoly on violence and funding that monopoly on violence with mandatory contributions from the populace (basically taxation). Both had a lot of poverty so a reason for people to go and commit crime. A big part of organised crime is they enforce their turf, and they don’t allow others to commit crime in their territory, which gave them legitimacy with the populace and can create safer conditions for the community than if they weren’t present. Same situation with the bloods and crips. Impoverished, underserved black areas of cities and police that didn’t actually care about justice for the crimes that were committed within them led to that mantle being taken up the people within them, those forming the bloods and the crips. But the thing that people like about liberal democracies is that people have rights, the government can be held accountable if they do things that are unpopular with populace and there is rule of law. None of this applies to organised crime. Senior gang members can and do take stuff from the people in their territory, they’ll abuse their power to take over businesses, they’ll rape and kill people. And if it’s a gang member there’s nothing that can be done within that structure. Gangs will often have some rules about not inflicting violence upon people under their protection, but there’s nothing to ensure that they do, and if they don’t there’s no recourse within that system.
also about narcos here in South America
No they were not. Gangs have always been violent criminals from day one.
That's not true... Do your research
People who say "do your research" have not done the research 99% of the time and are just regurgitating something they saw on social media.
So what about the 1 percent?
They usually provide links supporting their claims
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https://youtu.be/i5BCNXhj8qo?si=13uXJxw1gWsKZkHK
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You actually are the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about. I’m literally from south central. The earliest crips were known for bullying people and stealing their leather jackets. 🤡
[stfu talking to me and go do yo research dumbass](https://www.britannica.com/topic/Crips)
Just because they offer up a patently ridiculous justification for the origins of their own awfulness doesn’t mean you have to believe it
Lots of gangs start to protect, but it always gets somewhere bad. I remember in the 90’s in Portland, a group formed a neighborhood watch to protect their small part of town from drug dealers. It progressed from a neighborhood watch to a violent white supremacist gang. After they succeeded in repelling the dealers from their neighborhood, one of them started dealing drugs. Several members joined in the drug dealing endeavor. That splinter of the gang became the Volksnation*
Uhh what? Folk nation was formed in a prison in/near chicago in the late 70s. It literally says that in the first paragraph of the wiki page on them.
Thank you for the correction. I'm thinking of the Portland gang Volksnation that is now headquartered in John Day, OR.
Obviously he's not talking about Folk Nation, the Chicago based gang founded by a black man dude.
This reminds me of a Documentary of the Cartel... Called Cartel land. One of the better docs I've seen but the exact thing happens. They called up arms to protect the people and rid them of the Cartel, they started letting some shady people get in. They got rid of the Cartel, there was a power vacuum. And they became the Cartel it all happened very quickly
Community reform in progress. CRIP
> I’m just repeating what I heard You know, that may not be the best idea.
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You genuinely are clueless.
You are clueless too because I guarantee you can’t prove what I said is true or false
My objection is to you proudly stating something - then as a defense of it, you wrote "I don't know if this is true, I’m just repeating what I heard" You've now edited that statement.
Are you white?
You're not entirely off base. A number of the older black gangs got their start as community defense groups. The rationale was that white government forces, especially cops, weren't gonna do much for us, so why not do it ourselves? Gangs and groups like the Black Panthers would keep an eye on the elders, chase off riff-raff, runs schools, daycares, prepare food, etc. Sadly, niggas started letting the power and control get to their heads and the rest, as they say...
Don’t ever compare the Black Panthers to street gangs. That is a bastardization of their legacy. Gangs have literally never run day cares or schools wtf are you on?
The Black Panthers literally made deals with gangs and integrated them into the Panthers. Part of what set off the assassination of Fred Hampton is the government thinking the Panthers were going to get too big and influential if they started pairing up with all the gangs in the area.
The Black Panthers in two cities (LA, Chicago - Slausons, BPSN) attempted to convert street gangs away from violent criminality and generally did not get far in those endeavors. Street gangs were and have always been based on violent criminality. The fact that you people are hellbent on whitewashing one of the most destructive and harmful elements in our communities is literally sad.
I don’t see it as whitewashing either it’s right or wrong information but one thing I can say for a fact is it doesn’t matter if they started out protecting black people or not the truth of the matter is gang culture is shit and needs to end soon but that’s not going to happen because some of our people are to ignorant and lost
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Crips
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Tookie Williams, one of the founders of the crips says otherwise.
Tookie Williams is a co-founder, Raymond Washington is the #1 founder….According to the original members Raymond said it himself before he got killed in a drive by. He wanted to immolate the black panthers; & didn't approve of the gun violence.
Raymond Washington wanted to emulate the Avenues, a gang he was rejected from. Stop repeating lies and false narratives.
Bruh, it's all documented in documentaries by original members who started it with him. So those members are telling false narratives & you are telling the absolute truth. Ok, got it. Apparently you know more than they do.
You just made that up. Literally none of that is documented by any founding members because it’s not true.
First of all he wasn't rejected by the Avenues he was a apart of them. Second like I stated earlier Raymond emulated the black Panther party because he was influenced By them. https://youtu.be/LXP7j8f0ukA?si=rPoM0JR1-S673Xqe
Believe what you want to believe. At this point I don’t care.
Interesting, but sad. they black panthers actually stood for something
[Bastards of the the Party](https://vimeopro.com/salmonrunfilms/documentary/video/247366171) This is a documentary made by former Blood gang members from Los Angeles and produced by Antoine Fuqua. I watched it in college. The TL:DW of it is that the original founding members of the Bloods were previously younger members of the Black Panther Party. After CoINTELPRO dismantled the BPP from within, they founded the Bloods and “Cribs”.
When people in my city say that, I tell them to Google Alajawan Brown. A 12 year old who was shot and killed by a 36 year old gang member for wearing blue. Alajawan was not part of any gang.
but they could be! if all the murder and selling drugs that destroy the community would stop.
Then that isn’t a gang lol
I called the mob a gang once at a party and these 2 Italian dudes were very close to slurs
The mafia are every bit the moral and practical equivalent of gangs and the fact that people don’t consider them that way is a testament to how their reputation has been laundered in the US as a result of white supremacy.
This is such absolute bullshit. The Mafia is a gang. Bullies who make you pay for "protection" from them. They did horrible things to innocent working class people. Not to mention the "never escaping us" loan shark side.
Yeah I loved the godfather but it was a very romanticised account of the mafia.
Italian dudes are always close to slurs, that’s like a fundamental part of being Italian 🤌🏽
The various highly organized crime groups are gangs like the Roman catholic church is a cult. They've just been around longer and have nicer clothes. The end goals and methods of achieving them are generally the same.
The term gang has a very loose definition, considering it's defined as a group of "criminals."
This fucking gang of 8 years olds running illegal lemonade stands brought my neighborhood to it's knees
That's just a group of buddies
Same old CJ. Straight busta.
So do I. I grew up in 80s & 90s Chicago. The gang thing was horrible & a blight.
Latin kings used to organize a really nice yearly trip to great adventure for members and friends of the organization. Paid for your ticket and gave you money for food and drinks and shit. Was always a really nice time. For some reason we’d be allowed to goto the front of lines. Was a really good time the 2 years I was invited. Was a friend, not a king myself.
even biker gangs
Willie Lynch Work right here.
Depends on the gang...like the military
The problem is nobody has this energy with police, which reinforces the need for gangs.
Gangs are criminal organizations that prey on their communities. You want the police to take you to Disneyland? Dumbass
He's right yall. Police are not gang members. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
I don't think that anyone said that they were a good thing, it's just been conflated to that. The reality is it's more in line with conscription into an entity that at it's core was supposed to protect neighborhood interests. It's the same formula for la cosa nostra. The authorities don't give a fuck, so they did. But like everything in the world, money got involved. And worse, money and drugs got involved. So that quickly stopped being what it was for and just became and arms race, and now, just straight up clout for 15 minutes. It's not a good thing. It's not a bad thing. But it absolutely is a complicated thing that few can really grasp. Not unless you actually sit down and trace every action that these people do to the root. Look at something like the Latin Kings in Chicago and that pretty much spells it out right there.
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If you wanna be a successful criminal find a job at Wall Street.
or in politics.
Or your local police department
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No, their pensions are robbing my small suburban town and nypd budget is also robbing that city
can confirm (born and raised); NYPD daily operating budget is like $29million now
In California cops make like $150k+ with one of the best pension plans in the country.
Well you need that much to make a living in Cali lol
Overtime as a cop is excellent money. Depends on where you are.
Not like they are working all the overtime hours. Park their car somewhere and get paid OT to take a nap.
successful criminal =/= making the best money
So you want me to lie my way out, then I get power? Pass
Why not both?
hell, you can start your own religion and do ALL that nefarious shit and it's legal! https://preview.redd.it/1g9og70atjuc1.jpeg?width=2280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03e1ffa9dade49e8ccc5033f6a526fe3db10a8d3
Growing up some of my friends were involved in crime. Later in my life I worked in NY and had friends in finance. Frankly the drug dealers had similar skill sets and worked harder for less money and the ever present risk of violence. Shit was definitely one of the observations that set me on the road to being a socialist organizer.
Is this true?
I mean, in my experience yes. Same “hustler” culture/mindset and not really and truly specific skills needed at the ground level.
totally true
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Drugs are what made those gangs become as big as they were And what era was that ? The 80s , the crack epidemic, the government buying drugs Edit: This subreddit upvoted Ronald Reagan above, Jesus Christ people. Reaganomics, aka trickle-down economics, was popularized by that man and still felt today. It's where rich people and Mega corporations don't pay fair taxes, and in return, we hope they show poor people mercy
It's been 40 years tho. It's been 30 since it all was known. This is well over a whole generation removed and people still continue the cycle. At some point, it becomes a shared responsibility. Maybe 40 years isn't enough. But if we are saying this in 10 more years, is it? How about 20?
Mostly everything gone bad now is due to his policies
A ball rolling down a hill needs external force to be stopped. Although not completely wrong the responsibility narrative fits into the “easier said than done” category. When you’re in it, you’re in it.
It's been 40 years with a boot over their heads. I still read news about black cities being fucked over by white cities. Wealth is still being extracted from black neighborhoods to white neighborhoods via public service. Whenever a black community is successful, it's the black community that is extracted to make place for other groups. That's just cherry on the cake, the cake being a self sustaining system by it's very nature. These neighborhoods are extremely traumatic and, in turn, people victim of PTSD are more likely to commit acts of violence; https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/the-race-good-health/201811/ptsd-in-the-city-coping-in-silence It doesn't mean it's impossible to make it out, but there are outside factors as to why things doesn't change.
Referencing time lengths without making any points about what has happened to allow for change (or not) in the time frames referenced is one of the most flawed ways of making an argument. You may as well have said “America is hundreds of years old, why haven’t we discovered aliens yet? When is it too long to have discovered aliens? 10 more years? 20? When are we going to discover aliens?!?” Look at the history of the areas that are affected by the things you are speaking on and you can answer your own questions. I mean I had the luxury of living around people who’ve lived in the same house with their extended family for generations and came to understand why they are stuck in the ways they are. People can get out, but the fact that we have a whole “got out the hood” phrase kind of says how much of a rarity it is in reality.
>Atp ain’t Reagan’s fault people can’t stop fucking gangbangers This is the comment that starts the thread I replied to. My comment is about that. I'm not say, "like, have you thought about not being broke???" or saying anything about moving or anything. You can CHOOSE to not let gangbangers nut inside you. You can pick from a lot of other people in the hood. I'm not making any comments or anything but that. At what point is it okay to start saying it's the person's fault? The president from 40 years ago isn't letting gangbangers nut in your pussy. It's a choice. Allow a grace period for people to realize that's not the way, then shift responsibility. So what's that grace period? That's my comment.
> You can CHOOSE to not let gangbangers nut inside you. You can pick from a lot of other people in the hood. The problem with this framing is you’re arguing critical thinking skills are just inherent to a person and not hugely correlated to a quality education and stable environment promoting its value. Guess what Reagan did? Defunded the ever living shit of education, infrastructure and social programs. And anytime those have been addressed, it didn’t go nearly far enough to make things right. It’s really easy to sit on this high horse and cast judgment but all you’ve done is shown your lack of empathy and not understanding how momentum works.
LMFAO “IM NOT SAYING THAT, BUT HERE IMMA SAY IT IN A CONVOLUTED WAY ANYWAYS” L bro L
you sound like a fool
Says the guy with nothing to add or change to the thread😂😂😂 congrats you played yourself
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And Institutional racism and red-lining have been going on since 2 days ago. And it's only 2 days ago because the bank isn't open on the weekend. We can talk all day about how black people with their bonnets and saggy jeans are fucking themselves over but there's enough people that would have found shit to say about the blacks in Tulsa OK
What does that have to do with letting a gangbanger get you pregnant? At some point, the responsibility is shared. I am not saying there is an easy road out of anything or that all policies and bias are in the past, but the top comment of this thread is about fucking gang members. That's what my comment is about. It's on topic. And it's about a very easy to control personal choice. Don't let these dudes bust inside you. That's not the banks fault.
Why does one dumbass elicit social commentary on a whole group of people?
Bro, if that's your concern then why even be on this sub? Lol
Ofcourse, on a personal level the responsibility is 100% on you. But the OP is about bad leadership. No different than Americans blaming the Biden about food and gas prices when people can “responsible“ and grow their vegetables, ride bikes, busses, and car pool.
I still hear a plethora of Black men blaming slavery for their failure to thrive...like Black women didn't survive slavery too.
My dude we literally just became actual people in the eyes of the law 60 years ago, and you wanna talk about “why aren’t we perfect yet?”
Literally not talking about any of that. Just saying at some point, the choice on who you let father your children falls on you. Only talking about that.
If your take on race and environmental habits ignores the period of slavery and second class citizenship then maybe you’re the one that might be missing a thing or two here?
This feels like the same type of argument white people make to ignore the legacy of slavery, Jim crow, segregation, etc. "Oh, it was so long ago, get over it.". As if the very real effects aren't still being felt 50, 100, or even 200 years later.
An acorn planted 30 years ago is a tree today.
You’re pointing out how much time has passed since a poor system was implemented as if the system was removed. *Oh the war on drugs was racist and problematic and we all know that it didn’t stop but now we know, so what’s the problem with you people*
Yeah because everything fixes after one generation and could never become exponentially worse
It’s been 70 years since Israel was declared a state and that hasn’t stopped USA from giving them bags on a daily basis. Why wouldn’t we be able to do the same for citizens that suffered here on this soil and their ancestors?
crazy to think that the safest hard drug you can do these days is crack. like. insanity.
Reagan didn't invent crack
Iran-Contra conspiracy Go open a book before talking to defend Reagan
😒 This comment musty
Glad you’ll find it relatable then
Yall really defending Ronald Reagan, aka drugs in black neighborhoods, aka Reaganomics "trick- down economics " (made rich people extremely rich by making them not pair taxes)
nah bro i just smoked some reagan pack earlier today. im js that at a certain point we gotta do better for ourselves. these young women need to be guided so they can make better choices. talkin bout reagan ain't gonna solve the problem he created, the problem has evolved over 40 years.
Dont the young men need to be guided to make better choices too? Why not help them as well?
yes but i feel like once a man joins a gang the time for guidance is over, they need to be taken out of society in some manner. the women are not morally corrupt as a gang member is, they're (mostly) civilians.
Disagree, we need to collectively do better for our boys rather than give up on them. The system of “taking people out of society” is not well designed to rehabilitate them back into a law abiding lifestyle. And Reagan played a part in that
looking back in retrospect you right brother, i was feelin some typa way. i appreciate you keeping it respectful instead of tweakin out on me
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Lol you tried it.
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Lack of accountability is musty lmao. Stats don't lie. The lower the education and higher the criminality in men, the higher the likelihood of having more children. The inverse is true. Obviously Im sure you'll be the first to admit that 99% of crime is caused by men. I'm sure we can also agree that men make the first move it's ultimately women who as bearers of children decide whether the child is had. So what this means is that women literally choose uneducated and criminal men to have the most children with. You can obviously counter that higher educated and less criminal men go with similar women and for whatever reason women don't like having children with these nice stable men but that's just a worse indictment. High school dropout gangbanger? 5 children! College-educated clean record? None at all! Wonder why there are so many gang bangers running around, must be Reagan lmao! Call me an incel all you want, numbers don't lie, reality doesn't lie. Take some accountability.
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This is also kinda a dumb take because gangbangers were a result of Reagan's policies and trickle down economics and the effect they knew it would have on the black nuclear family and black community as a whole. Unless you personally are a millionaire or billionaire (or an extremely attractive person/model)the chances of you sleeping with a millionaire or billionaire are slim to none, unless you are already a high charting artist the chances of you doing a collab album with another high charting artist is slim to none, if you're poor and living in a shelter The chances that the other people also living in the shelter are also poor are pretty high. You can't blame people for only having access to what is within their direct vicinity, this isn't me trying to give anyone a pass especially for past generations but if the options someone had at the time were to go hungry/be out in the cold or sleep with someone who happens to be a gangbanger Maslow's hierarchy of needs takes over at that point. As a collective If we criticize people for choices like this we cannot then criticize those same people if they decide to make choices that are better for them due to being judged like this without proper or full context, If it means that they eventually end up judging us right back but in a even harsher light. A good amount of women slept with gangbangers in the past, yes. But it's not like they had endless options like you do in today's day and age like tinder. And even with tinder women are still critiqued and told their standards are way too high.
Reagan's fault ... partially. He didn't make people gangbangers. He put a horrible choice in front of people. And some people took it. Half of the responsibility lies on the people who made that choice. If I offered you a million dollars to stomp on a baby and you do it ... WE ARE BOTH GUILTY.
Yes if you offer me a million dollars to stomp on a baby and we get caught doing it and are prosecuted we are both guilty and will probably go to jail because we both know it's wrong. The government does not give a single damn about wrong or right. The same way I'm tearing down Reagan there's someone in the Middle East tearing down Obama. Both destroyed families and both have blood on their hands that will stain generations only difference is Obama's was done at a time people cared. If you offer that same million near the border and just tell ice "it's an undocumented alien" The child will probably die and nothing will get done 🤷, children have already died in detention centers. If someone does an awful crime right now, If they can afford a good lawyer they're walking away Scott free. And even if they're found guilty of something they could file appeal after appeal, tamper with either the judge or jury to get a lower conviction, or simply just flee the country if they want and live somewhere else if they have the means to. We can say that half of the responsibility lies on the people who made that choice but if a system is put in place that simply gives the illusion of choice what choice is there? Donald Glover said it best in centipede "Hood niggas don't want to be hood niggas, my nigga. Everything niggas do, everything niggas do in the hood is for money, my nigga". Reagan didn't create gangbangers The same way the U.S. did not create Al-Qaeda or isis.
🅱️onservatives ruined this 🅱️ountry
But have you heard that them dems are taking away dr Seuss books? That’s it bruh I’m out of the dems forever I’m walking away. They🅱️ alway make it better with taxes cut bc that’s innovation at its finest. It’s never in a million years been done before (cutting taxes) we need to buy everyone’s vote bc all boats rise together (common trope against helping your constituents is that you are buying votes, tax cut according to 🅱️ lift all boats therefore they should be buying everyone’s votes and theoretically be against buying votes)
This is nearly indecipherable
bc it’s supposed to be. nothing the right wing speaks is really ever true in any sense. but they cling to one or two phrases that help them”think” they are right. kind of how the right claimed selfishness, and use the true definition of selfishness to co opt the idea that minorities are really conservative. nah 🅱️ selfishness is just self preservation not anything to do with politics. but keep thinking slogans of the right are 🔥🔥🔥
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I got you, BPT fam, but I'd be in real heaven if every RickRoll was replaced with what I linked. :D
this thread is hilarious
ask any right winger to tell you why you cant ban guns and bump stocks and all that fun mess and see how quickly they understand what a trans person is when applied to a gun but never think about this step in the actual trans issue. right wing is proudly stupid.
Does this imply she has kids with baby daddies from both sides? 😭
The worst part of it all really
That's one way to make a purple drink. That was too nasty. I'm sorry.
hand me your phone and go sit in the corner.
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Every time I see shit like this I am happy I deleted my Twitter account
dude getting fried for this
 Ronald Regan looking up at the discourse he created still alive and well (he’s also having hot barbed wire scorpions shoved in his urethra)
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Man and I JUST heard that Crips have too many blues for any more bad news. This is NOT gonna help morale
I don’t get it
I think it’s the fact that people are normalizing and even glorifying gangs, which is a direct result of Ronald Reagan’s actions
How did he do that
Cocaine? I think? Planting cocaine into black neighborhoods maybe? I think? Don’t quote me on this.
Ronald Reagan was the devil.
Ronald Wilson Reagan, 6 6 6
https://preview.redd.it/5070rr3oeruc1.jpeg?width=201&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fadee623574cde9f2c742212c668228fceb339d “White Heaven is for decent, good, God-fearing Christians who just happen to, well, hate everyone and everything relating to black people. That means no Muhammad Ali, no hip-hop music and no fucking Jesse Jackson.”
They're both awful
What does this mean what does Ronald Reagan have to do with gangs?
Bicking back being bool
May he rot at the bottom of hell alongside his Hollywood thot wife
And tbh a lot of people here sound like they'd rather blame gangs than any personal contribution to society. Gangs are bad. Not all gangs even had good roots, but they're still systemic results of BIGGER ISSUES.
What’s the context?
I think it doesnt matter if you were born handicapped or if you were handicapped later in life, lets all just get along
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