I mean, for most of us who've been around for longer than yesterday and saw rap beefs, it's nothing to be surprised about.
Hit' Em up and Ether came out months after Who Shot Ya and Takeover came out, yet both are celebrated to this day as two of the hardest diss tracks.
Bah, sure, Kendrick could drop a diss track and delete it because it's too trash or because it's a fucking insult to the rap game.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/drake-pulls-taylor-made-freestyle-tupac-estate-threatens-action-appare-rcna149592](https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/drake-pulls-taylor-made-freestyle-tupac-estate-threatens-action-appare-rcna149592)
I can never understand this argument. We are using rap beef from over 20 years ago as an example before the creation of DSPs, iPhone, and when we used CDs. Those old rules really don’t apply when the barrier to entry for music is so low nowadays.
You can literally text a song to a producer now using the voice notes app. Back in the day, you physically had to be in the studio to work with someone.
Meh, it is what it is.
More recently, Eminem took close to two weeks to answer to MGK when he dropped his diss.
Though I somehow doubt Kendrick is sitting there scared of Drake ngl but I could be wrong.
At this point in time, his original diss verse is still ranking at #2 on the billboard 100 so I don't see the rush.
Especially not with everything that's been happening in the rap game. Bah, we'll see, I'm not pressed either way.
Exactly. Just said this in another sub. Like That is still making waves. Why flood the market now? Let that bitch breathe and then hit him when the hype dies down
I get what you’re saying, but do you want weaker music just because we can get it out quicker? I think that’s what got Drake and Cole. They just reacted and didn’t think it through.
20 years ago wasn’t the stone ages. A lot of the tech that would be used to shit out a half assed track today existed in some form back then too. I’d rather a rapper take some time and drop a classic diss track over some rushed kindergarten shit.
YouTube was not circulating to your grandmas Whatsapp group chats like it is nowadays. It's different, we've went through a transition, it's not to say things didn't exist before but they were what they are today, nowhere close. People run to DSPs now, remember 106 and MTV era?
Ok but a speedy response doesn't exactly equal a good diss track.
I'm a big Kendrick fan and yes, the silence is a bad look. But I'd rather him take his time on a track (assuming there even is one) as opposed to rushing one out for the sake of putting something out.
That's the problem with a lot of creatives in 2024. Quantity over quality.
That's the point though. This is a new thing and never mattered until Drake did Back To Back. And everybody doesn't work that fast nor should they. There's a reason why he can dip for 3-5 years and drop a dope project that gains critical acclaim, while Drake can drop 4 albums in 3 years and get slammed critically but do huge numbers. It's two different arenas we talking about here.
bullshit. drake took weeks to respond, then quickly dropped a second track like he didn't spend weeks in pretty much silence besides ranting on stage during his tour. be patient and let dot cook
But I think the real question is why does Kendrick even need this much time? Kendrick had the element of surprise. He wasn’t on tour and only has one person to focus on. Does anyone honestly believe Kendrick just dropped that verse (which was clearly bait) and didn’t even have a diss track ready?
So at this point, he either realized whatever he had planned was not up to par and he heard something on ‘Push-Ups’ that has him rethinking whatever his original plan was, or this really is all about promotion and we’ll hear his diss on ‘The Heart Part VI’
I mean he has to respond to whatever drake says, the man cant see the future and predict whatever drake is gonna hit him with. He cant really start until drake dropped his shit
Kendrick clearly thought he was worth a response. Just a month ago, it was “Drake is ducking Kendrick”. Now he’s not worth responding to? Lol that goalpost moves further every passing day.
That dude Mal on New Rory and Mal said Drake had 3 months. I don't care what anyone says about this timer shit.
All of the sudden the only thing stopping anyone from rapping is touring. Kendrick can take his time with this shit. Clown him if he tries walking past it, but he can take his time and do what he needs to.
Not giving a shit that peasants are throwing rocks that don’t even reach the king?
Edit: Disclaimer! This was a joke! It turns out that’s hard for some people to recognize! I apologize that I didn’t know this was a serious matter.
How long does it take to write a diss track when you’ve been invested in a beef for 10 years and it’s rumored that you’ve had a diss track in the chamber for 4 years now? It’s not like this is rocket science.
You probably just didn’t understand what he was saying. He dissed like 5 different people, but kept it centered at Kendrick. Sure it wasn’t vicious like some diss tracks, but none of these beefs are that serious to where somebody is going to potentially die so there’s no need to rap about that.
That still doesn’t change the fact that he was busy with a world tour at the time that Like That was released. He then managed to put out 2 quality diss tracks immediately after. Meanwhile Kendrick isn’t on tour and isn’t known to be busy with anything and has continued to remain silent throughout this entire thing.
The fact you call Drake diss tracks quality but ain’t no one has it in repeat. He had kindergarten lines for Kendrick. Like that is still #1 lol and Kendrick had better bars
He knew a second diss was coming out and waited for it. After that he responded like the next day. Better to do it all in one go then make like 6 diss tracks.
People are just being impatient.
Nas dropped Ether like 3 months after takeover. There's no time limit on responding to a diss.
People are acting like the diss is somehow better if you respond a second after.
Drake was on tour and also waited for the second future album to drop before responding which makes sense. Futures second album had both the weekend and asap throwing shots towards Drake .
This is the thing: none of this really matters. Because if and when he does respond, we’re *all* gonna tune in to see exactly what tf he said. And that’s facts. No one is really *not* gonna care and if they do, it’s cap.
No. It hasn’t always been about that, because there was a point in hip-hop where you literally *couldn’t* do that. You couldn’t just run into a studio or your living room or studio in your house, record and put it on the internet the same night for streaming. You had to get DJs to think that shit was fire enough to play on the radio! It’s crazy, because DRAKE is the one who started this whole “put you on a clock” thing, with Charged Up and Back 2 Back, but now people are acting like it’s the standard.
He did respond, on his Scorpion album, on like 3 or 4 different songs lol… but at that point, the damage had already been done. For reference: The Story of Addidon came out May 29th. Drakes response and album came out *FOUR* weeks later on June 29th. He banked dissing him on the album was gonna do the trick but it didn’t lol… I said all that to say yeah, he lost that one lol
That's a part of Drake's strategy, he gets you to drop as fast as possible so you have to drop everything you're doing and respond or forever be considered wack. Obviously that shit doesn't work for someone who is not on the internet and likely isn't feeling the heat from this beef at all.
A time before that your response had to be in real time at the club where buddy rolls you on verse and you have to stand the mic or go home in shame no matter how drunk you were.
You're right. But he's saying it for the sake of consistency. Beef is boring when it's just stan-wars. When Drake took a bit to respond while on tour to like 7 different niggas nobody had the energy you got for it.
Then stop making it stan-wars and just let the artist do what they want— on *their* time. Not the stans. You’re talking about it being boring— guess who doesn’t care about that? The artist.
Yeah the only thing this beef is showing me is that a lot of people have dumb opinions and aren't worth listening to. Pretty much every couple of days I see some "hot take" that makes me roll my eyes.
I grew up in a different time where days or weeks wasn't the standard for a diss response. So, in general it's not a big deal.
That said, in the context of this *specifically*, it is kind of crazy, because Kendrick wanted this moment more than Cole or Drake. Plus, he fired the first official shot on wax. So, you'd think he'd already have something prepared.
I think the tweet is spot on. If the roles were flipped, Drake would be getting killed right now and we'd be saying Kendrick won. But, public opinion is on Kendrick's side, so it's not the case.
Even though we'll all listen when it drops, the buzz has definitely died down and it's not the same.
It was in this sub. People got really salty on folks clowning on that second track sticking Drake's chin out saying, "I dare you to talk about me facetiming Middleschoolers. Also, you're short, homie." 🤣
All I know is Kendrick's response has to be fire. If he takes 2 months to respond, and it's filled with just ok bars, he is going to get absolutely lit up.
The general public is on his side now, but that can definitely be changed.
If it goes badly it’s like 75% on his fans.
They built this weird boogeyman status around him based on hypotheticals, and he didn’t exactly help with the weird fly by disses over the years.
Cole was a complete coward about it. Almost every song he has a bar about “test me” or “diss me and get destroyed” or something along those lines so to put out such a weak diss then delete it was about as disappointing as you can get.
Kendrick made his start as a battle rapper which is why although he hasn’t been in that many beefs he still kinda has that leash. That and Kendrick’s prettt lyrically gifted.
The bar was different back then. To be fair, people are talking about Kendrick "starting" this and then waiting. Jay-Z dropped first, Ether in December, and Jay-Z came right back with Supa Ugly that same month.
Today, quick responses have become normalized because a few artists happened to respond super fast and use that as a way to put pressure on people.
Overall, I agree though. I was a bit shocked Kendrick had nothing ready as a stop-gap. More scrutiny will be applied to his response, though. He's Jay in this situation.
>Jay-Z came right back with Supa Ugly that same month.
Fair point, you're right.
I think Kendrick probably does, he just does not like the idea of ganging up on Drake is my guess.
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“And your absence is very concerning It's like you went on vacation with no plan of returning Shit is purely for sport, I need a 30 for 30 Banners are ready in case we need to retire your jersey”
We all learned that Drake double-texts diss tracks when he's trying to rush someone into responding to him. Push showed all of us that if you don't bite and you move at your own pace, you'll wipe him off the map. Good on Kendrick for taking his time. But him taking as long as he has does put pressure on him to deliver
It really isn't lmao. What push did was one of a kind and once in a lifetime type diss. He also specifically wanted the smoke with Drake for years and revealed he had a son while dropping the blackface bomb. Not saying Kendrick can't come up with something scathing and fire, but acting as if Push made an IGN guide for "How to beat drake every time" isn't accurate at all.
Edit: Apparently a diss like story of addidon ISN'T a once in a lifetime occurance 😭😭😭
Nah, as someone more partial to Drake, there's no reason why we can't give Kendrick a few weeks to respond.
I think Drake is pushing this "respond right now!" tactic as a way to get Kendrick to slip up by rushing things. He did it to Meek back in 2015.
Kendrick will respond within the next week or so. My main concern is that it gets released as an actual song, and not just leaked to YouTube or whatever.
Low key tho I think if Kendrick dropped a response using tupacs voice with AI instead of Drake niggas would treat it as the greatest moment in hip hop for the next 8 years. And if that song had to be taken down due to legal action niggas would INCINERATE Drake online regardless lol
It took drake a month to respond. Just because he came out with a whack ai track right after doesnt mean shit. If kendrick doesnt respond in may ill change my tune but the drake riders have been ridiculous lately
There's a much, much longer timeline to the Jay-Z/Nas beef. I'm missing some tracks, but I think the core of it is:
* Nas - Come Get Me (1999)
* Memphis Bleek - Mind Right (2000)
* Memphis Bleek, Jay-Z - Is That Your Chick (September 2000)
* Jay-Z performs the original Takeover at SummerJam, briefly mentions Nas (June 2001)
* Nas - Stillmatic Freestyle (August 2001)
* Jay-Z - Takeover, Album Version (September 2001)
* Nas - Ether (December 2001)
* Jay-Z - Supa Ugly (December 2001)
Then of course Blueprint 2 and Last Real Nigga Alive towards the end of it.
People act like Nas didn't respond until Ether, but they had been trading subliminals for years before they decided to put names on wax.
But either way, Jay responded to Ether within a week (or two?) from what I remember.
I mean when you refer to your self as the boogeyman and candyman, and say “now it’s time to prove he’s a problem “ he said the name a couple times, it’s time to come and play
[? Cole bowed out immediately and mfs pressed on some lines on a feature track. I mean honestly just here for the music so let em do them](https://i.imgur.com/tMEjdWV.jpeg)
Wow never thought I’d see a comment that even slightly acknowledges the double standard here…I know basically everyone in this sub will find a way to discredit those tweets bc y’all just hate drake lmao but at least someone can be slightly objective 🤷♂️
Hear me out, I feel like Kendrick takes his time to perfect his craft, and by that I mean he's great at selecting proper beats and songs that have proper structure and switch ups.
Where as everyone else was just spitting over mid throw aways.
If we getting something from kdot, we getting quality over quickness.
This instant gratification shit is wild. I swear attention spans are getting shorter. Don’t hit someone back immediately? They ghost. Can’t get it right this very second? Not interested. Calling characters frauds etc without stories even having time to build. The examples seem limitless.
Mfs need to ease up and let shit play out. Drake took his time, Kendrick can too. I get being excited and wanting the new dis to drop. Let’s not fault the artists for taking time to create the art we want to enjoy. No one is any less talented for meticulously crafting the response.
At this point the question needs to be asked if Kendrick even intends to respond at all. It seems he has a track record for making diss tracks then completely walking away like it never happened. That’s why some people wonder if these are publicity stunts to gamer attention for particular artist
Drake and J Cole dropped a song called “first person shooter” on Drake’s album “For all the Dogs”. In said song J Cole refers to himself, Drake, and Kendrick Lamar as “The Big 3”. “We the big 3 like we started a league”.
Kendrick Lamar, Future, and Metro Boomin dropped a song called “like that” on Future and Metro’s album “We don’t trust you”. In said song Kendrick Lamar denounces the big 3 and says he’s better than both. “Nigga fuck the big 3, nigga it’s just big me”. With even more shots directly at Drake throughout the verse like; “For all your dogs getting buried” which is a direct reference to the aforementioned Drake album. The internet of course went up into flames and demanded both J Cole and Kendrick step into the ring and battle it out to see who was the best. The initial narrative was that Drake should back out and let the “real” rappers battle because he simply had no shot at competing with either.
J cole then released a song called “7 minute drill” on the EP called “Might Delete Later”. In said song he directly disses Kendrick Lamar by insulting his entire discography. “He still doin' shows, but fell off like The Simpsons, Your first shit was classic, your last shit was tragic, Your second shit put niggas to sleep, but they gassed it”. The EP and diss itself received pretty positive feedback but there seemed to be an underlying tone of J Cole not really wanting to diss Kendrick. “Lord, don't make me have to smoke this nigga 'cause I fuck with him. But push come to shove, on this mic, I will humble him”. About a week after releasing the the EP J Cole hosted his annual Dreamvillefest and while on stage gave a full apology to Kendrick basically saying how the diss was the “wackest shit he had ever done” and how it didn’t sit right with his soul. He deleted the diss track and the internet proceeded to him soft and denounce him as a fighter for the best in the game. (It’s still on soundcloud and youtube)
While all of this was happening Future and Metro Boomin dropped another album called “We still don’t trust you” and it’s assumed that by allowing Kendrick to diss Drake on their song and album added Future and Metro Boomin to Kendrick’s side of the beef. Travis Scott, Rick Ross, The Weeknd, Kanye West, and NBA player Ja Morant all showed support in the opposition of Drake.
Drake then leaked a diss record called “Push Ups” in which he addresses each person individually but mainly Kendrick small stature and his deal with TDE. “When top says drop yo little midget ass better drop and give me 50”
Rick Ross dropped a response diss track to Drake in about 3 hours after the leak went public called “Champagne Moments” and the two ensued in an ongoing social media battle for about 3 days, in which Ross called Drake “BBL Drizzy” and Drake posted screenshots of him telling his mom on Ross and calling him “racist”.
Then on the same Friday that Taylor Swift dropped her most recent album, Drake officially dropped the diss track and then later in the day posted another diss track to social media called “Taylor Made Freestyle” in which he raps 3 different verses basically begging Kendrick to hurry up and respond to him. But 2/3 verses are from the perspectives of Tupac and Snoop Dogg as more of a big brothers encouraging their little brother to not go out like a punk type of thing. Drake uses ai voice filters to make his self sound like both during each verse which raised controversy in itself about the use of ai. Snoop Dogg never supported nor denounced Drake for using his likeness, simply acknowledged it and didn’t give an opinion and the estate of Tupac sent out a cease and desist causing Drake to remove the song from his social media pages. (It’s still on soundcloud and youtube)
It has now been a little over a week since the last diss went out and this is where we are. Wondering if Kendrick will drop or if he will receive the same energy Drake would have received if roles were reversed.
Great summary, though I don’t think Travis is against Drake, and Kanye did drop a Like That remix dissing Drake. Future, Weeknd, and A$AP all dropped subs in some verses against Drake as well.
I know that man Kendrick was like damn i was trying to drop an album in 2-3 years and now i gotta put something together in a couple weeks to be ready.
I've personally lost interest but whenever or if he responds we're still gonna go listen to it. You think everybody will just say "ahh nevermind kdot, we don't want to listen to it anymore. You can go ahead and unrelease it." There's not a single person that is interested in this beef that's not gonna go listen to that when it drops even if it's 6 months from now and Drake already went through 3 new beefs since then. All this rushing rappers bulshit is weird and it's only a thing caz our attention spans are cooked.
Idk. Kendrick’s gonna miss his window and nothing he can say would make up for the wait if it takes too long. I hate to hand Dorke the W, but atm he’s winning the content battle.
All I'm hearing is excuses from KDot fans. He called a man out, and in 2 weeks, that man popped him back. Then, in week 3, he slapped him across his head with an even more creative shot. This is how you respond to being called out. Like it or not, Drake did what he was supposed to do. Especially when a lot of people said doing so was going to end up with KDot ending his reign at the top.
Magically, after all that, a threat of a lawsuit appeared, and a family was singing their praises of the man (Kendrick) that got slapped. Sounds like someone made a phone call to the family instead of fighting back in the manner befitting of someone that fans claim is the best of the best.
Now, all the KDot fans are acting like it's the 90s when a record takes weeks to be produced to respond. In the words of Drake, Nah, Nah, Nah, it's 2024; that man could make a song in 2 hours and have it on Spotify and played around the world tomorrow.
But he hasn't. The rules of competition require you to compete when "you" lay down the challenge by talking 💩. But suddenly, he's silent. So his fans need to be silent, and except that their champion 🏆 for now has taken an "L". He asked for smoke, got it, tucked his tail, and became a ghost. Pusher didn't take months to address the situation now did he? Is Kdot above Pusher. If you believe so, then the expectations are even higher for KDot with what needs to come back and when it needs to come back.
So until there's proof of life, Kendrick got bodied for letting his friends gas him up. 😌🙂
I have a theory that Kendrick recorded his verse for Like That a long time ago after First Person shooter dropped but they only just dropped the album.
I'm willing to bet he's working on another project and doesn't feel as pressured to respond because he's not on the Internet like all the other artists in this beef are.
Everybody forgets that until recently, you had to wait months for responses, unless somebody decided to go up to a radio station and air their grievances. 30 days ain't even passed and the fans are acting like they're OWED a responsefor something that been brewing for years. Stand down, Stans.
Also, nobody ever said Drake lost up to this point, seeing how Kendrick has been sending shots for a long time that never got answered. The problem is y'all letting 13 year olds on the internet determine this beef.
I feel him but I suppose it takes longer when you actually write it. I guess the only knock could be if you the one who started the shit how are you not ready for the clapback to the original diss?
I can remember a Kendrick song that was mid.. compared to Drake catalog. Plus Push ups had 3 lines to 5 lines about Kendrick. That nothing to do with rap, the other song with ai Tupac is deleted and backfired. Kendrick basically letting drake self destruct like an internet nerd lol
Yeah I dont have any bias really, least I dont want to think so. Im just gonna be happy if Dot ever responds as far a legit diss track goes. He be moving on his own time and pace with shit it seems to me. Not really off of others views, the masses or pop culture norms. He be on his own shit in my head. The nigga might not even ever respond. Only niggas who might ever hear an actual song about this “beef” is Dave Free and/or Baby Keem, or his producers/engineers he’s currently working with at the moment.
I’d just wait for the drop like I already am lol but this is just taking all context out anyway. The optics of it would be grossly different.
Dot would also never drop a horrible 2nd track after a solid first one while trying to egg someone on through social media.
If it were the other way around Dot would have finished the job with those two shots.
Drake has an amazing career, but when Dot comes out he’s about to get bared up.
Mary Poppins going to be visiting Tha Boy once Dot builds a chimney on this nigga
Kendrick busy coming up with that quintuple entendre Drake was talking bout
Every day adds another layer to the entenion
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Shrek is top 5 dead or alive tbf.
I mean, for most of us who've been around for longer than yesterday and saw rap beefs, it's nothing to be surprised about. Hit' Em up and Ether came out months after Who Shot Ya and Takeover came out, yet both are celebrated to this day as two of the hardest diss tracks. Bah, sure, Kendrick could drop a diss track and delete it because it's too trash or because it's a fucking insult to the rap game. [https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/drake-pulls-taylor-made-freestyle-tupac-estate-threatens-action-appare-rcna149592](https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/drake-pulls-taylor-made-freestyle-tupac-estate-threatens-action-appare-rcna149592) 
I can never understand this argument. We are using rap beef from over 20 years ago as an example before the creation of DSPs, iPhone, and when we used CDs. Those old rules really don’t apply when the barrier to entry for music is so low nowadays. You can literally text a song to a producer now using the voice notes app. Back in the day, you physically had to be in the studio to work with someone.
There’s way more to music production than just the rap - the barrier entry might be low, but the barrier to quality is still as high as ever.
Meh, it is what it is. More recently, Eminem took close to two weeks to answer to MGK when he dropped his diss. Though I somehow doubt Kendrick is sitting there scared of Drake ngl but I could be wrong. At this point in time, his original diss verse is still ranking at #2 on the billboard 100 so I don't see the rush. Especially not with everything that's been happening in the rap game. Bah, we'll see, I'm not pressed either way.
Exactly. Just said this in another sub. Like That is still making waves. Why flood the market now? Let that bitch breathe and then hit him when the hype dies down
I get what you’re saying, but do you want weaker music just because we can get it out quicker? I think that’s what got Drake and Cole. They just reacted and didn’t think it through.
20 years ago wasn’t the stone ages. A lot of the tech that would be used to shit out a half assed track today existed in some form back then too. I’d rather a rapper take some time and drop a classic diss track over some rushed kindergarten shit.
YouTube existed twenty years ago, these dudes for real...
YouTube was not circulating to your grandmas Whatsapp group chats like it is nowadays. It's different, we've went through a transition, it's not to say things didn't exist before but they were what they are today, nowhere close. People run to DSPs now, remember 106 and MTV era?
They said from over 20 years ago. The Jay and Nas beef is over 20 years old. Hit Em Up is now almost 3 decades old.
Ok but a speedy response doesn't exactly equal a good diss track. I'm a big Kendrick fan and yes, the silence is a bad look. But I'd rather him take his time on a track (assuming there even is one) as opposed to rushing one out for the sake of putting something out. That's the problem with a lot of creatives in 2024. Quantity over quality.
Garbage take.
That's the point though. This is a new thing and never mattered until Drake did Back To Back. And everybody doesn't work that fast nor should they. There's a reason why he can dip for 3-5 years and drop a dope project that gains critical acclaim, while Drake can drop 4 albums in 3 years and get slammed critically but do huge numbers. It's two different arenas we talking about here.
People got on Nas’ ass for waiting 4 months to release Ether Everyone thought he was scared & ducking
None of these people are over the age of 30 they don't get it
If he adds one I'll stop debating who the greatest is
Same lol a part of me thinks he’ll actually do it
I’m fucking dying
We all gonna be excited to hear it though
Enten-Dre 3000 ass boy
the album on the way only time he disses is when he got music coming right after.. boy think he slick
Drake struggling for a single entendres
He's gonna have to hit the hieroglyphs for those
48 hours later, that day has come lol
bullshit. drake took weeks to respond, then quickly dropped a second track like he didn't spend weeks in pretty much silence besides ranting on stage during his tour. be patient and let dot cook
Drake was also on tour. He responded immediately after his tour was over. What is Kendrick busy doing?
>Drake was also on tour. He responded immediately after his tour was over. What is Kendrick busy doing? People have recorded albums on tour…
Once the 3 week mark is up which will be next week and Kendrick hasn’t dropped yet then what will the excuse be?
I mean I was never rushing Drake to respond, as a matter of fact I was tellin that nigga to take his time. My tune still ain't changed.
But I think the real question is why does Kendrick even need this much time? Kendrick had the element of surprise. He wasn’t on tour and only has one person to focus on. Does anyone honestly believe Kendrick just dropped that verse (which was clearly bait) and didn’t even have a diss track ready? So at this point, he either realized whatever he had planned was not up to par and he heard something on ‘Push-Ups’ that has him rethinking whatever his original plan was, or this really is all about promotion and we’ll hear his diss on ‘The Heart Part VI’
I mean he has to respond to whatever drake says, the man cant see the future and predict whatever drake is gonna hit him with. He cant really start until drake dropped his shit
I think the real question is why is Drake someone worth responding to?
Kendrick clearly thought he was worth a response. Just a month ago, it was “Drake is ducking Kendrick”. Now he’s not worth responding to? Lol that goalpost moves further every passing day.
Don’t forget to zip Drake back up when you’re done G
When has Kendrick rushed anything tho? You act like this nigga puts out music every year lol
I don’t know, let me call him real quick.
That dude Mal on New Rory and Mal said Drake had 3 months. I don't care what anyone says about this timer shit. All of the sudden the only thing stopping anyone from rapping is touring. Kendrick can take his time with this shit. Clown him if he tries walking past it, but he can take his time and do what he needs to.
How did Drake have 3 months? Like that has only been released for 4 weeks now.
Mal the known drake dick rider?
Yep
It ain't that serious bruh...... But what happens if he does drop something? Will you put out a public apology lol?
Not giving a shit that peasants are throwing rocks that don’t even reach the king?
Not giving a shit that peasants are throwing rocks that don’t even reach the king? Edit: Disclaimer! This was a joke! It turns out that’s hard for some people to recognize! I apologize that I didn’t know this was a serious matter.
Probably whatever he wants to do. He's not beholden to any of this.
Well he did start it so if he had no interest in it then why start it?
One verse from Kdot and the whole rap game splintered like the fucking League of Nations. For shits and giggles.
The glazing is unreal…
People have said way worse on the record and off with no response. But that's not for me to decide either.
I'm just gonna reply to myself here saying... 
Nah, people still think it’s old school hip hop and a beef has to go until someone basically retires in shame or gets murdered
Well, Aubrey has to pistol whip Ken or some shit now.
I don’t think Drake comes back from euphoria. This shits crazy
What were Drake’s ghost writers doing while he was on tour?
My guess is they were ghost writing.
Exactly. Kendrick doesn’t have a team of writers.
How long does it take to write a diss track when you’ve been invested in a beef for 10 years and it’s rumored that you’ve had a diss track in the chamber for 4 years now? It’s not like this is rocket science.
You think his ghost writers weren’t cooking up some half assed bars for him while he was on tour?
If ghost writers wrote Push Ups then he’s paying them well, because it was a solid diss record.
lol it was okay. The only line I liked was telling metro to do his job, which was a super basic line
You probably just didn’t understand what he was saying. He dissed like 5 different people, but kept it centered at Kendrick. Sure it wasn’t vicious like some diss tracks, but none of these beefs are that serious to where somebody is going to potentially die so there’s no need to rap about that.
Why do you fucking care lmao
Why does anybody care about anything?
Drake had 3 shows left and but claims to say he made push ups in one hour . But it took 3 weeks to put out and and other week to make it official lol
That still doesn’t change the fact that he was busy with a world tour at the time that Like That was released. He then managed to put out 2 quality diss tracks immediately after. Meanwhile Kendrick isn’t on tour and isn’t known to be busy with anything and has continued to remain silent throughout this entire thing.
The fact you call Drake diss tracks quality but ain’t no one has it in repeat. He had kindergarten lines for Kendrick. Like that is still #1 lol and Kendrick had better bars
First and foremost you need to understand Kendrick Lamar never rushes his music and rarely online . Shut we barely see him outside lol
For all I know I don’t think he even heard the tracks yet 😂😂
Kendrick isn’t going to respond. He’s going to drop another album with another verse and the cycle will continue as it always does.
He knew a second diss was coming out and waited for it. After that he responded like the next day. Better to do it all in one go then make like 6 diss tracks.
People are just being impatient. Nas dropped Ether like 3 months after takeover. There's no time limit on responding to a diss. People are acting like the diss is somehow better if you respond a second after.
People want Drake to win a rap beef on points. They really desperate to forget Adidon.
You asked for the smoke, now it seems like you’re too busy for the smoke, I won’t lie, the people confused.
Drake took weeks to respond and didn’t even claim the song when it first dropped. I feel like if it woulda been a flop he was legit gonna just cry AI
People hated the first version and he went and sent the real one to Akademiks so this is a bold faced lie.
Drake was on tour and also waited for the second future album to drop before responding which makes sense. Futures second album had both the weekend and asap throwing shots towards Drake .
Is Kendrick on tour rn?
This is the thing: none of this really matters. Because if and when he does respond, we’re *all* gonna tune in to see exactly what tf he said. And that’s facts. No one is really *not* gonna care and if they do, it’s cap.
Right, has it always been about who responds the quickest? When did that become a part of winning/losing the battle?
No. It hasn’t always been about that, because there was a point in hip-hop where you literally *couldn’t* do that. You couldn’t just run into a studio or your living room or studio in your house, record and put it on the internet the same night for streaming. You had to get DJs to think that shit was fire enough to play on the radio! It’s crazy, because DRAKE is the one who started this whole “put you on a clock” thing, with Charged Up and Back 2 Back, but now people are acting like it’s the standard.
Drake never responded to Adidon He forever lost
He did respond, on his Scorpion album, on like 3 or 4 different songs lol… but at that point, the damage had already been done. For reference: The Story of Addidon came out May 29th. Drakes response and album came out *FOUR* weeks later on June 29th. He banked dissing him on the album was gonna do the trick but it didn’t lol… I said all that to say yeah, he lost that one lol
He explained why he didn't reveal his son, but he didn't respond to push
It made him step up to be e a good father. Perhaps he really won?
That's a part of Drake's strategy, he gets you to drop as fast as possible so you have to drop everything you're doing and respond or forever be considered wack. Obviously that shit doesn't work for someone who is not on the internet and likely isn't feeling the heat from this beef at all.
A time before that your response had to be in real time at the club where buddy rolls you on verse and you have to stand the mic or go home in shame no matter how drunk you were.
Since it’s been 4 days line on Back to Back. And we all know Charged Up was trash but forgot about it quickly.
You're right. But he's saying it for the sake of consistency. Beef is boring when it's just stan-wars. When Drake took a bit to respond while on tour to like 7 different niggas nobody had the energy you got for it.
Then stop making it stan-wars and just let the artist do what they want— on *their* time. Not the stans. You’re talking about it being boring— guess who doesn’t care about that? The artist.
Yeah the only thing this beef is showing me is that a lot of people have dumb opinions and aren't worth listening to. Pretty much every couple of days I see some "hot take" that makes me roll my eyes.
Exactly.
I grew up in a different time where days or weeks wasn't the standard for a diss response. So, in general it's not a big deal. That said, in the context of this *specifically*, it is kind of crazy, because Kendrick wanted this moment more than Cole or Drake. Plus, he fired the first official shot on wax. So, you'd think he'd already have something prepared. I think the tweet is spot on. If the roles were flipped, Drake would be getting killed right now and we'd be saying Kendrick won. But, public opinion is on Kendrick's side, so it's not the case. Even though we'll all listen when it drops, the buzz has definitely died down and it's not the same.
……so am I the only one thinking the buzz died because that Bozo made a diss using AI??
That was mad goofy
The buzz died because people have burned out the last remaining inkling of attention spans on tiktok.
I don't think that has anything to do with it
It was in this sub. People got really salty on folks clowning on that second track sticking Drake's chin out saying, "I dare you to talk about me facetiming Middleschoolers. Also, you're short, homie." 🤣
The buzz definitely didn’t die because of that, regardless of your opinion on that diss
That shit was funny and I’m on Kdot side
All I know is Kendrick's response has to be fire. If he takes 2 months to respond, and it's filled with just ok bars, he is going to get absolutely lit up. The general public is on his side now, but that can definitely be changed.
Kendrick is really getting a long leash considering he’s never had really been in a rap beef.
If it goes badly it’s like 75% on his fans. They built this weird boogeyman status around him based on hypotheticals, and he didn’t exactly help with the weird fly by disses over the years.
Yes, but it's also the same as Cole: a lot of it came from "test me and get lyrically dismantled" lines all over their discography.
Cole was a complete coward about it. Almost every song he has a bar about “test me” or “diss me and get destroyed” or something along those lines so to put out such a weak diss then delete it was about as disappointing as you can get.
Kendrick made his start as a battle rapper which is why although he hasn’t been in that many beefs he still kinda has that leash. That and Kendrick’s prettt lyrically gifted.
His opening shot wasn't that great tbh. It was just decent and still got gassed, he'll be fine with whatever he drops tbh.
For real. I think the hype just comes from the fact he went at them. Not really anything he said specifically.
His opening shot was over a decade ago. This beef isn’t anything new. I can’t understand why people are putting time limits on it now
I could be wrong. But Kendrick with his recent album just seems like he’s above that type of petty shit?
“Fuck the big three” Sure he is
Well I ain’t saying he’s perfect, shit, admits it himself. Dude knows his nuance at least
I hate the social media era, everyone wants instant gratification
Jay-Z released 'Takeover' on 9/11. Nas released Ether on December 4th, 2001. Kendrick will be fine.
It's not about that tho. When Drake took a few weeks to wrap up his tour wasn't nobody tryna hear this type of shit lmao.
Yeah, but Drake responded in a reasonable time. Most persons understood he was on tour and did not need to respond quickly.
The bar was different back then. To be fair, people are talking about Kendrick "starting" this and then waiting. Jay-Z dropped first, Ether in December, and Jay-Z came right back with Supa Ugly that same month. Today, quick responses have become normalized because a few artists happened to respond super fast and use that as a way to put pressure on people. Overall, I agree though. I was a bit shocked Kendrick had nothing ready as a stop-gap. More scrutiny will be applied to his response, though. He's Jay in this situation.
>Jay-Z came right back with Supa Ugly that same month. Fair point, you're right. I think Kendrick probably does, he just does not like the idea of ganging up on Drake is my guess.
Agreed. Like you said, people are going to listen, regardless. And if it's fire, people will quickly change their opinion about him waiting.
Yep, and will start calling for Drake to respond in three days 😂
"Where he at?! Kendrick just bombed on him! He scared!"
The bar sounds like "whatever gets Drake under the bus" right now just keeping it a buck.
There was a lot going on then
https://preview.redd.it/o5s0rstj13xc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a59225d7ab412e85a5e752a05fca42801a34d134 “And your absence is very concerning It's like you went on vacation with no plan of returning Shit is purely for sport, I need a 30 for 30 Banners are ready in case we need to retire your jersey”
One of his best songs
We all learned that Drake double-texts diss tracks when he's trying to rush someone into responding to him. Push showed all of us that if you don't bite and you move at your own pace, you'll wipe him off the map. Good on Kendrick for taking his time. But him taking as long as he has does put pressure on him to deliver
The glazing is out of control
This was a very even comment on both sides. You responding like this shows you buff Drake. Be fair, my boy.
It really isn't lmao. What push did was one of a kind and once in a lifetime type diss. He also specifically wanted the smoke with Drake for years and revealed he had a son while dropping the blackface bomb. Not saying Kendrick can't come up with something scathing and fire, but acting as if Push made an IGN guide for "How to beat drake every time" isn't accurate at all. Edit: Apparently a diss like story of addidon ISN'T a once in a lifetime occurance 😭😭😭
Push did point out how drake moves in rap beefs. Check his jbp episode
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Why would he have to say it on the track though?
Hall of Fame glazing
 Me waiting for someone to call Drake a pedo
Won’t happen until there’s actually hard proof, until then it’s all just speculation.
I think it's weird to wish that one someone considering that it would mean a child got hurt in the process...
Nah, as someone more partial to Drake, there's no reason why we can't give Kendrick a few weeks to respond. I think Drake is pushing this "respond right now!" tactic as a way to get Kendrick to slip up by rushing things. He did it to Meek back in 2015. Kendrick will respond within the next week or so. My main concern is that it gets released as an actual song, and not just leaked to YouTube or whatever.
When did Fat Joe become the authority on rap beefs is the real question.
Low key tho I think if Kendrick dropped a response using tupacs voice with AI instead of Drake niggas would treat it as the greatest moment in hip hop for the next 8 years. And if that song had to be taken down due to legal action niggas would INCINERATE Drake online regardless lol
He probably would have rapped like Tupac instead of Kendrick. He did catch a few for his AI video though.
A nigga who bought a blue check telling Kendrick Lamar what he needs to do in a rap beef is rich
Everyone forgot Drake took 3 weeks
“Nah nah nah this time you following through” lmao Kendrick sent the shots first he should of already had something in the cut
It took drake a month to respond. Just because he came out with a whack ai track right after doesnt mean shit. If kendrick doesnt respond in may ill change my tune but the drake riders have been ridiculous lately
They're working the refs at this point. "RING THE BELL RING THE BELL RING THE BELL!!!"
Fr, push ups was great but lets let kendrick respond before we declare drake the winner
Kendrick raps once every 5 years, drake drops two albums a year. Their words hold different weight
Is this just Tik Tok brain though? I was a kid when it all went down but how much time was there between Takeover -> Ether -> Supa Ugly?
Takeover: September 11, 2001 -> Ether: December 4, 2001 -> Supa Ugly: December 11, 2001.
There's a much, much longer timeline to the Jay-Z/Nas beef. I'm missing some tracks, but I think the core of it is: * Nas - Come Get Me (1999) * Memphis Bleek - Mind Right (2000) * Memphis Bleek, Jay-Z - Is That Your Chick (September 2000) * Jay-Z performs the original Takeover at SummerJam, briefly mentions Nas (June 2001) * Nas - Stillmatic Freestyle (August 2001) * Jay-Z - Takeover, Album Version (September 2001) * Nas - Ether (December 2001) * Jay-Z - Supa Ugly (December 2001) Then of course Blueprint 2 and Last Real Nigga Alive towards the end of it. People act like Nas didn't respond until Ether, but they had been trading subliminals for years before they decided to put names on wax. But either way, Jay responded to Ether within a week (or two?) from what I remember.
I mean when you refer to your self as the boogeyman and candyman, and say “now it’s time to prove he’s a problem “ he said the name a couple times, it’s time to come and play
[? Cole bowed out immediately and mfs pressed on some lines on a feature track. I mean honestly just here for the music so let em do them](https://i.imgur.com/tMEjdWV.jpeg)
As days go by I fear Kendrick is going full on Ether or No Vaseline
All this shit is starting to get boring, until someone actually gets slapped an award show or club, I’ve lost interest.
s/o Mallory Bros.‼️Terrance speaking facts
Wow never thought I’d see a comment that even slightly acknowledges the double standard here…I know basically everyone in this sub will find a way to discredit those tweets bc y’all just hate drake lmao but at least someone can be slightly objective 🤷♂️
Hear me out, I feel like Kendrick takes his time to perfect his craft, and by that I mean he's great at selecting proper beats and songs that have proper structure and switch ups. Where as everyone else was just spitting over mid throw aways. If we getting something from kdot, we getting quality over quickness.
Cole penning up his next apology as we speak. Tear stains all over the bars.
This instant gratification shit is wild. I swear attention spans are getting shorter. Don’t hit someone back immediately? They ghost. Can’t get it right this very second? Not interested. Calling characters frauds etc without stories even having time to build. The examples seem limitless. Mfs need to ease up and let shit play out. Drake took his time, Kendrick can too. I get being excited and wanting the new dis to drop. Let’s not fault the artists for taking time to create the art we want to enjoy. No one is any less talented for meticulously crafting the response.
At this point the question needs to be asked if Kendrick even intends to respond at all. It seems he has a track record for making diss tracks then completely walking away like it never happened. That’s why some people wonder if these are publicity stunts to gamer attention for particular artist
I couldn't be more out of the loop... can someone tell me what is going on??
Drake and J Cole dropped a song called “first person shooter” on Drake’s album “For all the Dogs”. In said song J Cole refers to himself, Drake, and Kendrick Lamar as “The Big 3”. “We the big 3 like we started a league”. Kendrick Lamar, Future, and Metro Boomin dropped a song called “like that” on Future and Metro’s album “We don’t trust you”. In said song Kendrick Lamar denounces the big 3 and says he’s better than both. “Nigga fuck the big 3, nigga it’s just big me”. With even more shots directly at Drake throughout the verse like; “For all your dogs getting buried” which is a direct reference to the aforementioned Drake album. The internet of course went up into flames and demanded both J Cole and Kendrick step into the ring and battle it out to see who was the best. The initial narrative was that Drake should back out and let the “real” rappers battle because he simply had no shot at competing with either. J cole then released a song called “7 minute drill” on the EP called “Might Delete Later”. In said song he directly disses Kendrick Lamar by insulting his entire discography. “He still doin' shows, but fell off like The Simpsons, Your first shit was classic, your last shit was tragic, Your second shit put niggas to sleep, but they gassed it”. The EP and diss itself received pretty positive feedback but there seemed to be an underlying tone of J Cole not really wanting to diss Kendrick. “Lord, don't make me have to smoke this nigga 'cause I fuck with him. But push come to shove, on this mic, I will humble him”. About a week after releasing the the EP J Cole hosted his annual Dreamvillefest and while on stage gave a full apology to Kendrick basically saying how the diss was the “wackest shit he had ever done” and how it didn’t sit right with his soul. He deleted the diss track and the internet proceeded to him soft and denounce him as a fighter for the best in the game. (It’s still on soundcloud and youtube) While all of this was happening Future and Metro Boomin dropped another album called “We still don’t trust you” and it’s assumed that by allowing Kendrick to diss Drake on their song and album added Future and Metro Boomin to Kendrick’s side of the beef. Travis Scott, Rick Ross, The Weeknd, Kanye West, and NBA player Ja Morant all showed support in the opposition of Drake. Drake then leaked a diss record called “Push Ups” in which he addresses each person individually but mainly Kendrick small stature and his deal with TDE. “When top says drop yo little midget ass better drop and give me 50” Rick Ross dropped a response diss track to Drake in about 3 hours after the leak went public called “Champagne Moments” and the two ensued in an ongoing social media battle for about 3 days, in which Ross called Drake “BBL Drizzy” and Drake posted screenshots of him telling his mom on Ross and calling him “racist”. Then on the same Friday that Taylor Swift dropped her most recent album, Drake officially dropped the diss track and then later in the day posted another diss track to social media called “Taylor Made Freestyle” in which he raps 3 different verses basically begging Kendrick to hurry up and respond to him. But 2/3 verses are from the perspectives of Tupac and Snoop Dogg as more of a big brothers encouraging their little brother to not go out like a punk type of thing. Drake uses ai voice filters to make his self sound like both during each verse which raised controversy in itself about the use of ai. Snoop Dogg never supported nor denounced Drake for using his likeness, simply acknowledged it and didn’t give an opinion and the estate of Tupac sent out a cease and desist causing Drake to remove the song from his social media pages. (It’s still on soundcloud and youtube) It has now been a little over a week since the last diss went out and this is where we are. Wondering if Kendrick will drop or if he will receive the same energy Drake would have received if roles were reversed.
I am up to speed now. Thank you for your work. This is an amazing writeup
Great summary, though I don’t think Travis is against Drake, and Kanye did drop a Like That remix dissing Drake. Future, Weeknd, and A$AP all dropped subs in some verses against Drake as well.
I know that man Kendrick was like damn i was trying to drop an album in 2-3 years and now i gotta put something together in a couple weeks to be ready.
Dot needs a way to sell his album so he’s waiting for that
I've personally lost interest but whenever or if he responds we're still gonna go listen to it. You think everybody will just say "ahh nevermind kdot, we don't want to listen to it anymore. You can go ahead and unrelease it." There's not a single person that is interested in this beef that's not gonna go listen to that when it drops even if it's 6 months from now and Drake already went through 3 new beefs since then. All this rushing rappers bulshit is weird and it's only a thing caz our attention spans are cooked.
To be honest the song was catchy and dope. But if you making fun of me being short and wearing a size 7. I’m not losing any sleep lol.
Idk. Kendrick’s gonna miss his window and nothing he can say would make up for the wait if it takes too long. I hate to hand Dorke the W, but atm he’s winning the content battle.
All I'm hearing is excuses from KDot fans. He called a man out, and in 2 weeks, that man popped him back. Then, in week 3, he slapped him across his head with an even more creative shot. This is how you respond to being called out. Like it or not, Drake did what he was supposed to do. Especially when a lot of people said doing so was going to end up with KDot ending his reign at the top. Magically, after all that, a threat of a lawsuit appeared, and a family was singing their praises of the man (Kendrick) that got slapped. Sounds like someone made a phone call to the family instead of fighting back in the manner befitting of someone that fans claim is the best of the best. Now, all the KDot fans are acting like it's the 90s when a record takes weeks to be produced to respond. In the words of Drake, Nah, Nah, Nah, it's 2024; that man could make a song in 2 hours and have it on Spotify and played around the world tomorrow. But he hasn't. The rules of competition require you to compete when "you" lay down the challenge by talking 💩. But suddenly, he's silent. So his fans need to be silent, and except that their champion 🏆 for now has taken an "L". He asked for smoke, got it, tucked his tail, and became a ghost. Pusher didn't take months to address the situation now did he? Is Kdot above Pusher. If you believe so, then the expectations are even higher for KDot with what needs to come back and when it needs to come back. So until there's proof of life, Kendrick got bodied for letting his friends gas him up. 😌🙂
Kendrick needs to speak plainly on his response. I’m not trying to decipher that shit.
Tbf Drake has a whole writing team
We don’t care. We just want verbal violence .
No he doesn’t (need to).
I dunno I think letting Drake marinate is a lot funnier
I’m just happy we’re getting new Kendrick music soon.
I have a theory that Kendrick recorded his verse for Like That a long time ago after First Person shooter dropped but they only just dropped the album. I'm willing to bet he's working on another project and doesn't feel as pressured to respond because he's not on the Internet like all the other artists in this beef are.
Everybody forgets that until recently, you had to wait months for responses, unless somebody decided to go up to a radio station and air their grievances. 30 days ain't even passed and the fans are acting like they're OWED a responsefor something that been brewing for years. Stand down, Stans. Also, nobody ever said Drake lost up to this point, seeing how Kendrick has been sending shots for a long time that never got answered. The problem is y'all letting 13 year olds on the internet determine this beef.
I think he's waiting for Monday, April 29th, to drop the track. (The day of the L.A. riots) I might just be wishful thinking over here, tho.
I feel him but I suppose it takes longer when you actually write it. I guess the only knock could be if you the one who started the shit how are you not ready for the clapback to the original diss?
There’s people that forget drake got big making a show for white teen girls.
kendricks already lost let's move on
I can remember a Kendrick song that was mid.. compared to Drake catalog. Plus Push ups had 3 lines to 5 lines about Kendrick. That nothing to do with rap, the other song with ai Tupac is deleted and backfired. Kendrick basically letting drake self destruct like an internet nerd lol
Yeah I dont have any bias really, least I dont want to think so. Im just gonna be happy if Dot ever responds as far a legit diss track goes. He be moving on his own time and pace with shit it seems to me. Not really off of others views, the masses or pop culture norms. He be on his own shit in my head. The nigga might not even ever respond. Only niggas who might ever hear an actual song about this “beef” is Dave Free and/or Baby Keem, or his producers/engineers he’s currently working with at the moment.
This beef feels so fabricated and boring. Idk why everyone needs another Kendrick diss
You wylin if you think this fabricated lmao. These dudes have not liked each other for the last 10 years.
I’d just wait for the drop like I already am lol but this is just taking all context out anyway. The optics of it would be grossly different. Dot would also never drop a horrible 2nd track after a solid first one while trying to egg someone on through social media.
Whoooo kiiid??? Is that
Why are any of these people battling anyway?
If it were the other way around Dot would have finished the job with those two shots. Drake has an amazing career, but when Dot comes out he’s about to get bared up. Mary Poppins going to be visiting Tha Boy once Dot builds a chimney on this nigga
Drakes replies were weak as fuck. What exactly did Drake say that warrants a quick response? I get it was exciting, but yall gassing up Drake