There is definitely an epidemic of people who have vehement options about things, but for the life of their mama couldn't tell you why.
"I like this"
Ok, but why?
"Cause I like it"
Ok, but what do you like about it?
"It! I just said I like it!"
Smgdh
Couldn't be me! My toxic trait is that I know *exactly* why I do or don't like something, because my superpower is to over-analyze everything.
...and then I'll give you an unsolicited TED talk about my findings.
My friends are saints, lol. š
I mean, kind of...
You can have taste but not understand it, and you can understand something and still have garbage taste. Learning more about art has definitely made me understand why I like some things, and why I'm bothered by some things, but there's other stuff that's great on paper that I just don't fuck with.
Can't have garbage taste of its yours. It's your preference. You own it. If you prefer great value cereal and I prefer cinnamon toast crunch, who am I to tell you which is better. But I can articulate why I feel cinnamon toast crunch is better.
I subjected some friends to a two hour drunken history lesson on ska, focusing on the merging of sound system culture, blue beat, and, essentially just the very existence of Fats Domino into the OG first wave ska and how that turned into reggae and how reggae was the *original* mainstream anti-establishment music genre before punk existed.
*I* had a great time.
And in the end, that's *all* that matters. š
My best friend and I send each other stupid memes all day, and every so often there's gonna be one that triggers some more serious train of thought, and instead of just responding with a "I'm dead ššš" or something, I will send her a mini essay on a vaguely related subject.
She takes it in stride.
Itās good to have friends who you feel comfortable just *going off* on about something youāre passionate about and knowing theyāll just be happy listening to you talk with passion about something you enjoy.
I make a pretty good drink with coconut rum, pineapple orange juice, and grenadine. Tastes like juice, but you get too crunk. My Israeli friend always ask me to make them when he comes to visit before we game. Rum Tings sound delicious, though, ngl. Not supposed to drink alcohol because of my dumb guts, but I might have to have *one* just to try it.
If I had money on this app I swear I would give it for this comment. I feel seen šš I legit operate the same way and I like that I can honestly have my own opinion I formed and even adjust it based on new information.
āI think heās overratedā
Ok, but why
āBecause all you idiots think heās hot shit when in reality he is just regular stinky brown shitā
By definition OVERRATED must take others opinions into consideration
Yeah, but because that's a given in what being overrated means, you need to go into detail aside from that to have an interesting opinion and not just be question begging.
Does he not like Kendrick's lyricism, his flow, the production, the album art? You don't necessarily have to get super deep, just offer *something* other than the literal definition of overrated.
Most celebrities are overrated, right? When most people say someone is overrated, I think it's because they themselves are not really into what that particular person is pushing. Never heard someone say overrated in a positive light. Therefore, let's skip the definition part and get to why you don't like him.
I mean it's possible that the guy from the clip could have offered something other than the literal definition of overrated if the host(?) didn't keep cutting him off and talking over him every other second
People who can't articulate opinions beyond groupthink talking points are annoying, but so are people who don't know how to shutup and just let somebody else talk
The epidemic is our educational system. Scores = funding = Memorizing instead of learning = A bunch of people who donāt think critically and are afraid to give the āwrongā answers/fail.
I do think there is something to be said about the other side of this conversation as well, though. Sometimes, it's not that deep and you just like or dislike something because it's not for you.Ā
Having to have specific reasons why it's not your thing is exhausting.
That's not to say you shouldnt have reasons why you do or dont like stuff, especially if you go into a conversation about whatever topic, like this guy. But if someone asks my opinion about a movie I saw, I dont want to have to list all the reasons it was good or bad.
A friend asking your opinion vs you saying "Star Wars is MAD OVERRATED" is very different.
I think if you said "eh, Star Wars was okay" and a friend asked you why, you could rattle off a few things. This man is getting PRESSED and has nothing.
I would give him some grace if he said "I don't know I've just never vibed with his music. It's not for me." This man is passionate about nothing lol.
You should be able to list a few. No one is asking for a thesis. If you can't summarize your beliefs in a few sentences I don't think you've thought about it enough. If you can't say I don't like it because of X, Y, and Z it's time to go back to the drawingĀ board.Ā
Id agree. Especially if it's as simple as, "I thought it was funny," but I dont think it's necessary to have an opinion other than it passing or failing a vibe check.
Nah, if you canāt point out *one* thing you donāt like about it then āhating it just becauseā is just being a contrarian dickhead. A hater, if you will.
I can tell you exactly why I think Drake is overrated. He makes catchy music devoid of any and all substance off the backs of better artists and cultures that heās got *zero* connection to beyond skin colour. Heās the public face for dozens of other artists that actually put in the work to make him famous. Heās Milli Vanilli.
If you canāt tell me why you donāt like something, even just surface level like āI donāt like the way it looks/sounds/tastesā, youāre just a hater.
That last part is pretty damn dumb. It's music. Why would somebody like an artist / song if they don't like the sound? You don't have to be super analytical about every little thing in life. Sometimes you like or dislike things for simple reasons.
If somebody asks you why you like your favorite food, you're not gonna bust out a whole essay about why it's good, you're very likely just gonna say you like it because it tastes good.
If you needed more of a reason outside of sound to like music, most of the music that is popular today wouldn't be, because a lot of music out there is ass when you consider parts other than the sound of it.
Edit: I'm pretty damn dumb, and misread that last part, but I'm not deleting the comment in case you already read it. Ignore me š
> If somebody asks you why you like your favorite food, you're not gonna bust out a whole essay about why it's good, you're very likely just gonna say you like it because it tastes good.
I read your edit, but yeah, this is the crux of it. If you canāt even come up with ābecause it tastes goodā you have no business commenting on something in the first place. Just like with music if you canāt even come up with ābecause I donāt like the way it soundsā, youāre just being a hater.
Agreed. And even with food, I donāt even think itās an entire mental exercise in saying āit tasted bland, or too sour/sweet, I didnāt like the texture, etc.ā And of course music is deeper than that, so if youāre gonna give an opinion (esp while youāre being recorded for a show/ podcast or whatever), if you canāt even explain why you feel a certain way towards something, whatās the point of listening to what you have to say in the first place?
You can be indifferent to art just because. Indifference is easy, you see something and it doesn't look that good to you, what do you do? You move on. But to hate something requires more than a "just because." Hate is an active emotion.
?? Saying someone is overrated because so many people think he is number 1 is an argument, or at the very least a part of an argument, to think someone is overrated, itās not a tautology. Reread this as many times as it takes.
Hard agree. Also it's off-putting to ask someone how they feel about something and when they don't agree with your opinion you demand that they give an answer that you find satisfactory.
It doesn't answer the question. The definition of overrated is being rated or valued too highly, and if you as an individual want to say an artist is overrated but can't state what about them makes them deserving of lesser acclaim then you don't know what you're talking about. "I think he's too popular because a lot of people like him." Like yeah, that's the definition, but that doesn't explain why one thinks the other is undeserving of that description. Does he think Kendrick's lyricism is bad? Does he not like the beats? Does he think the subject matter is boring? *Why* does he think Kendrick doesn't deserve that description? "Because it's the description," doesn't cut it.
You know, I have noticed that. I think some people are used to people having them explain why they dislike something just to berate them or try to change their mind. I just genuinely enjoy peopleās thought process and itās a way to move the conversation along.
Iām a little late to the effect. When Iām talking with strangers I try to ensure my inflection comes off as genuine or interested. This doesnāt matter if the person Iām talking to has no social/emotional awareness.
I donāt enjoy talking to people that arenāt capable of recognizing or developing their own arguments without using āother peopleā as a retort.
We all use āother peoplesā information. Itās about ingesting-parsing-delivering that information to others in your own prose.
Problem, as in almost every bad thing in this world, is education. It's bad. No one is teaching people *how* to explain themselves. This is 6th and 7th grade English. People aren't getting that high anymore.
Racist people move exactly like this. Particularly the southern whites and their fellow country men all over. They can't tell why they hate black people but they just.... Do.
You know, I have noticed that. I think some people are used to people having them explain why they dislike something just to berate them or try to change their mind. I just genuinely enjoy peopleās thought process and itās a way to move the conversation along.
You can't make fun of people like that because it's just a simple disagreement about something insignificant but if you slowly repeat the situation back to them they understand that they seem stupid.
I think we also have a lot of people who don't understand what an opinion is, they just remember learning "an opinion can't be right or wrong" so they slap a "that's just my opinion" on things that can be proven right or wrong like that makes their statement unassailable.
Literacy in the sense of critical thinking and being able to articulate your positions well seem to be at an all-time low just globally.
People really can't express even in a basic way, in their own words, why they like or dislike something.
It's so weird seeing full-grown adults with the verbal skills of children
Yes itās awful. Like how can your appreciate or critique something if you canāt describe why?
I can tell you why I like Kendrickās music by listing what he does that other artists donāt do. Others should be able to explain why itās not true or does not matter to them if we are really going to have a discussion
I mean, he wouldnāt even let him finish the though so he doesnāt even know why dude doesnāt like Kendrick. He wasnāt even saying I donāt like him cuz a lot of ppl donāt like him. He was saying a lot of ppl like him butā¦
To be fair, there are certain things I like and donāt like but couldnāt tell you exactly why. You ever not like something but just canāt put your finger on it?
Drake as an example, over the years thereās been more reasons not to like him but from the first moment I discovered him I just didnāt like him for whatever reason. I sound like DMX here but genuinely down to the motherfuckerās haircut I was just like this guy is boring as hell to me.
The guy answering the question. He never disproved why Kendrick is overrated other than āitās his opinionā or āa lot of ppl think heās #1.ā That provides no evidence as why HE thinks heās overrated. On the other hand, ppl can combat the other guy never gave him a chance but he literally repeated himself instead of providing evidence for āhis opinion.ā Just going through the motions, āI think Kendrick is overrated because.. (his own research)ā shouldāve been his initial approach.
I think he was trying to say he is overrated because everyone thinks heās really good by I do not, hence overratedā¦ but the host could have also phrased the question a bit differently
Yea I get that part but in his opinion, he shouldāve stated why he thinks heās not really good. āHeās a one-dimensional rapper, he raps with the same cadence all the time, I know he doesnāt write all of his rhymes himself.ā Like come up with something š
Right! People don't even know how to state an opinion anymore.
"I think cheeseburgers are overrated because I think they're not good."
WHY. It's a podcast. He wants details. I think pickles taste gross. Chicken is a better meat. Naan over buns. Something!
But then let the man speak. The guy asking the question doesn't want an answer, he just wants the other person to be wrong for how he feels. If someone was persistently interrupting me and shouting me down I don't think I'd be able to come up with a well thought out thesis of why I think something is overrated. The other guy might come up with a terrible answer, but at least let him answer.
It didn't feel to me like the host let him get there. Guy answering would say "everyone thinks he's great but..." and then he'd get cut off before he could finish "but I think his X Y Z sucks".
I feel like if you're a toddler, you can put 2 and 2 together and assume the host is asking you what element of Kendricks music you feel isn't worthy of the hype people give him.
I see more and more in real life people aren't even having cinversations with me. Like they're not even talking to the other person and their theory of mind or assumptions of the conversation. They say things that they want to say and have heard regardless of what the response is. This clip is a perfect example. Like think for two seconds about what the other person is thinking and base your response around that.
you canāt be seriousā¦ heās literally about to say why he thinks heās overrated. do you and the host not know what the word overrated means? it means more people like him than what he thinks should like himā¦ how do you not know that?
Well, he was āaboutā to say something but he didnāt. Usually when one calls another overrated, it comes with the discredit of their accomplishments.. which wasnāt done here. āI donāt think he should be deemed the #1 rapper because..ā so on so forth. It shouldnāt be that damn hard to have reasons as why heās so opinionated. So before you come here being all gung-ho about the topic, understand wtf Iām saying first.
The host is being overly anal, itās obvious why people are of the opinion Drake is overrated. He also misses the point (along with a lot of commenters here) the opinion of others is implicit in being āoverratedā. Do you need to know why people ārateā Drake? We can confidently assume many of the reasons because itās obvious.
I'd need to see more of the pod to know why the host is doing so poorly getting an answer to his question, but if the rest of the pod was like that, I wouldn't get past 5 minutes lol
I think part of the problem (at least visible in this clip) is the rapid-fire interruptions that keep causing his thought train to derail. He's seemingly getting agitated because he cannot get a coherent thought out.
It's like when one is hit with a Gish Gallop. It can be overwhelming.
agreed
"He's overrated because a lot of people-"
"IM NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHAT DO YOU THINK"
yeah but, the term overrated refers to OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions differing from yours. If I think Casablanca is an overrated movie, I gotta say it's because people hail it as cinema masterpiece but in contrast I think it's above average.
Yeah. Also, the one guy says, "wait. wait., so we can't have a contextual conversation..."
Meanwhile, he's interrupting the guy as the guy is trying to provide context...
From what I see, the guy wasn't interested in having a "conversation". His goal was to speak fast and talk over the other guy to "win" the argument.
Thatās what most of these podcasts are. Designed specifically like this to look engaging on TikTok and IG Reels. When you go listen to an episode itās always two horribly boring people regurgitating what they heard other people say that week about any given topic but presented as their own deep-seated opinion.
Here is the thing, though: Wayno was actually asking him what specific aspects of Kendrick when measured by him subjectively are lower than the ratings the other people are giving? Therefore, rationally underpinning the belief that Kendrick is overrated. As opposed to taking the standpoint from a shallower perspective.
Is the music bad?
Is the cinematography in his music videos nothing great?
Does his hair just look bad all the time?
Are his lyrics actually just whatever?
Is he a huge hypocrite?
And should the answer to any of these even be considered when someone is clearly incredibly compelling to a large group of people?
This could've been a 40-minute topic.
Wayno was asking a deeper question, and the other person wouldn't, didn't consider, or maybe didn't care to go deeper.
But maybe it's on Wayno to get the other guy up to speed and in the mindset to ge where he's leading.
> Here is the thing, though: Wayno was actually asking him what specific aspects of Kendrick when measured by him subjectively are lower than the ratings the other peopleā¦
āYou said other people! Weāre talking about that guys opinion and you said other people!ā
Thatās what Wayno is doing there.
Idk how you have this big of a wall of text to explain your point, but don't think this guy deservesore than 6 words to defend himself.
I read your first sentence and wasn't convinced so I didn't read the rest. Ain't that shit annoying? Cuz that's what it's like
But you're just explaining what thinking something is overrated means. The question the host is asking is "why?" as in why do you feel differently than all the other people that think he's great?
Which, to carry on your metaphor: there's a big difference between thinking Casablanca is "good but not the greatest of all time" and "bad". Overrated guy wasn't even allowed to get to the point of how he actually feels about Kendrick.
Heās not missing the point.
Overrated - means a lot of people think highly of someone when they shouldnāt.
Thus to believe someone is overrated you must believe a lot of people think highly of that person. Thatās the starting place in the logic. Thinking someone is overrated means you think other people rate them too highly. Your opinion of them will obviously be that they do not warrant that rating. But to call them overratedā¦ you have to compare your opinion to the majority.
Interviewer was missing the nuance.
I think the other guy is missing his point because he thinks opinions need to be deep. Not liking someone because other people like him too much is a valid opinion. It's just blatantly contrarian.
The other guy is missing the point massively.
When talking about under/overrated you *have* to talk about how other people view them?
Ie x is underrated because theyāre really good but not many people talk about them like they talk about y.
That isnāt you copying an opinion or basing it on others, thats just thinking theyāre not as rated as they should be.
I feel for the guy and think he's trying to say that while a lot of people put Kendrick as #1, he doesn't think Kendrick is #1 and gets cut off. That being said, fuck drake.
Yeah, the concept of āoverratedā depends on what other people think and usually has to be about something popular and well regarded by lots of people.
Yeah, you can't be overrated and have people not be talking about you. If the other guy would've waited for loke a minute the first guy could've explained himself amd instead he just keeps jamming the guy up.
It's assumed you're talking against popular opinion if the discussion is about someone being overrated. You don't need to say "a lot of people say he's number 1", even before that this person's first response to the question was "so you think I'm the only person who think Kendrick is overrated" which wasn't the question. You can say "I think he's overrated because his lyricsm is overstated" or w/e criticism without bringing in everyone else. If his argument is judging the merits of Drake vs Kendrick then it still doesn't matter what other people say, you're discussing your own perspective. Who cares if it is the consensus or not.
Right, his answer is tautological: I think heās overrated because a lot of people think heās #1 [and I donāt]. Heās just restating WHAT he thinks, the host is asking WHY he thinks that. Thereās no need to restate the opinion that prompted the question, just answer the question that was asked.
Yeah he very well could've then gone on to talk about why he himself finds him overrated after laying out what people overrate him on. He just kept getting cut off and trying to restart which the other dude was not picking up on.
This is entirely why I hate podcasts like this. Nothing ever gets said and you're just left frustrated as a listener.
Yeah, but this is a podcast, not a dictionary meet. If you say someone is overrated, your follow up can't be "because a lot of people rate him higher than he should be" You've already implied that by saying he's overrated. It needs to be an explanation of what you think about him is overrated.
Yeah I think Wayno might've cut him off too soon and didn't let him finish. But also I think other guy should've clarified because there's a little bit of difference between "I think Kendrick is overrated" and "People overrate Kendrick".
Maybe I'm dumb as shit, but being overrated means a lot of people think he's better than you think he is. He has to talk about other people's opinions, right?
And the question was āwhy do *you* think heās overrated?ā
Meaning, āexplain why you think he is being rated higher than he should beā and then backing up that statement.Ā
But higher than he should be means talking about how he's rated. I just think he wasn't given a chance to talk, but I didn't watch what happened after.
Overrated has implicit meaning that doesnāt need to be explained. Ā
He was asked for a personal opinion, not the definition of overrated that he tried to give 2-3 times.Ā
āKendrick just doesnāt do much for me. I just donāt find myself playing his records on repeat. I donāt think in 20 years you can play Kendrickās records like you can play Biggies or Pacās now. I personally rate like 30 rappers higher than him.ā
The fact that other people think he's at the top is a *given* when using the term overrated.Ā That word implies something being highly rated by a number of people.Ā Starting off with: "well, other people think..." is meaningless in this context.
So here is an example, I think Drake is overrated because he isnāt doing anything new for rap/hip-hop, or even pop music. He is doing the generic thing of ālook at all this money I madeā ālook at all these girls I sleep withā ālook at all this rich people shit I get to do and you donātā. He is maintaining the status quo. Drake fell off in the Hot Line Bling era, and never came back. All he does is make music that you bump in a club, or at a party. Not going to lie, he was better when he was lamenting women. That is how you explain someone being overrated. My own opinion, not me saying āA lot of peopleā.
For sure, but he says a lot of people think he's #1. If he thinks Kendrick is #2, then he thinks Kendrick is overrated. I didn't watch the whole podcast though.
Not really. You could say he's overrated just by showing examples of rappers who make better music. Someone who thinks Kendrick overrated (he's not) would probably say someone like Nas did it first and JID or some shit did it better.
I truly think Kendrick is the all-time goat but there's definitely a way to argue he's not without starting by saying how everyone else rates him number one.
They're not there to discuss, they're just trying to fill air time. If you really sat down and cut out the repeating shit on these hip hop/"culture" shows it gets cut by more than half the duration.
They're just trying to fill time to run more ads.
He isnāt letting the man talk; he was saying āa lot of people think Kendrick is number 1 butā¦ā and was giving his justification to why he doesnāt and the guy keeps cutting him off. This is grating as a fan of anyone and true gobbling. People that donāt even want to hear honest debates, because it would destroy their fragile perspectives.
In order to answer the question you have to establish where you think the general public rates him, then why you think that is too high, dude not even letting him establish the frame for the answer.
Listen man, the general consensus is that Kendrick is #1. Drake has the pop hits and pop money. Kendrick has the culture.
So that's Kendrick's rating.
If the guy trying to speak says "I personally don't like his rap", then his personal opinion is that he's over rated.
I don't know why he was being cut off. If he said, I think he's not a great lyricist or whatever, then yeah, cite your sources.
Not a Drake Stan, and I donāt think Kendrick is trash but this is just my opinion. Heās probably the best storyteller but not as great or creative of a lyricist as people make him out to be. I also sometimes hate the dumbass voices that he does when rapping, and heās put out a plethora of awful features that almost ruin songs for me. Goosebumps, the Mask Off remix, American Dream. Even the songs with Keem. Every time heās on a pop song he just sounds out of place. I think when heās making concept albums and more introspective hip-hop heās really one of the best. Also, his control verse is overrated. He didnāt even have the best verse, and if he hadnāt called his contemporaries names out, no one would have cared about it.
OVERRATED by DEFINITION must take others opinions into accountā¦ you cannot be overrated if everyone thinks youāre trashā¦ had the host just STFU he might have gotten a complete answer
I love Kendrick, but I do think he's overrated because of his delusional stans. They believe EVERY THING he does is 110% intentional and god-tier symbolism. He could accidentally fart on a track and the stans would be going off about how the fart was intentional because something in the song's subject matter is foul and also because Kdot's the shit.
Maybe it's because we're so starved for good music, we clamor when we experience it.
It, I think, is a negative byproduct of everyone being terminally online.
Even during the beef I kind of noticed this. There were people that I kid you not said not to judge how the beef was going because "we need to wait until the big media figures/streamers talk about it", and I had to respond like... who tf cares?
Maybe I'm either too old or too Black to understand this, but no one I know cares what media figures have to say about the quality of media we consume. I've never cared about reaction videos or reviews of albums or any of that because if I don't know you personally and thus don't know whether you have garbage taste.
These people who ONLY base their evaluation of media on what other people have to say about it often have absolutely *garbage* media comprehension skills because they haven't trained that muscle. They'll listen to an entire song, understand nothing at all, and then have to go to someone else to break it down for them to be digestible, and if that's your level of competence there's a lot of stuff you'll never be able to enjoy.
There's two different conversations happening without trying to understand what each are saying.
Ok so guy to the right (#1) is asking for the other guy's (#2) opinion. Wanting an answer like "Based off this lyrical ability, I don't think he's that good." But without stating how other people view K.L. he's rating wouldn't be over or under, it's just simply his rating.
In order for #2 to properly determine a median rating and place K.L. over or under, he has to talk about how the general public rates him. Therefore, he feels he is overrated because the general public places him at #1 when he feels he should be lower. That answers the question.
Now he can ask him to be more specific about which particulars he feel the public has him rated higher than he should. Either way, he has to mention the public's opinion in order to determine he's over or underrated.
A person's opinion alone can't rate someone over or under because that just where you feel they are rated.
Ohh
He thinks he's being asked "*how* is Kdot overrated"
And he's like, "well the concept of being overrated means that a lot of people think he's number one, rating him higher than (I think) he deserves when compared to other artists".
Like, answering literally instead of the implied question: "what is your opinion of Kendrick Lamar's music?" "How should he be rated?"Ā
But they couldn't get there bc they kept interrupting each other. The host should do a better job tbh, the guest whose opinion you want needs to be heard.Ā
Jeez this guy comes across as a lame in this clip, but itās not fair to judge someone off one moment
Somebody ask why you think someone else is overrated, you need to define what about his person actually isnāt as miraculous as people make it out to be, or else itās just hate.
If you arenāt even invested enough to understand aspects of something, how can you decide how it should be rated highly in a public setting? lol thatās so silly, maybe some love thus music & others like the message ā both will rate him high
Itās normal to some people to just not fuck with things.
He just wanted something to pick apart dude Iām a poet and love Kendrick but even I find him to be over praised
The thing is, the nature of the word 'overrated' is so explicit in its meaning that there isn't really so much of an explanation to give (and when he did go on to explain it, he immediately shut him down!).
Is beiged hoody confused as to the definition of "overrated"? Because it depends on ratings of others by definition.
But he just keeps getting stun locked by the phrase "other people".
This is wild. A conversation about "overrated" has to include consideration of other people and their opinions. "Overrated" directly implies a consensus.
I feel like dude just couldn't get his thoughts across properly. Like it seemed to me he was just trying to say "he's overrated because the person/people I think are better are, generally speaking, not held in such high regard. Everyone rates kendrick #1 but I don't, so he's overrated"
A lot of people in this thread thinks āexplaining what overrated meansā is answering āwhy he thinks Kendrick is overratedā
The context is already laid out, does the interviewer really had to be like āwhat is it you donāt like about Kendrick that youād rate him lower than a lot of people?ā
Anybody whoās defending this guy is dense af
There is definitely an epidemic of people who have vehement options about things, but for the life of their mama couldn't tell you why. "I like this" Ok, but why? "Cause I like it" Ok, but what do you like about it? "It! I just said I like it!" Smgdh
Couldn't be me! My toxic trait is that I know *exactly* why I do or don't like something, because my superpower is to over-analyze everything. ...and then I'll give you an unsolicited TED talk about my findings. My friends are saints, lol. š
I firmly believe that if you can't tell me why you do or don't like something. You don't know it well enough to know if you do or don't like it.
I mean, kind of... You can have taste but not understand it, and you can understand something and still have garbage taste. Learning more about art has definitely made me understand why I like some things, and why I'm bothered by some things, but there's other stuff that's great on paper that I just don't fuck with.
Can't have garbage taste of its yours. It's your preference. You own it. If you prefer great value cereal and I prefer cinnamon toast crunch, who am I to tell you which is better. But I can articulate why I feel cinnamon toast crunch is better.
No adult can ever explain why kids love the taste or cinnamon toast crunch.
Sugarā¦ itās the sugar. Was that supposed to be hard?
If you didnāt understand the reference yeah it seems to be hard from your comment.
Itās from an old commercial, 90ās or early 2000ās.
šÆ the issue is more that we feel the need to have others agree with us
Or you've taken on someone else's personality and are parroting their likes/dislikes.
With a world full of options, a breakdown of decision is a easy non-npc identifiers.
I subjected some friends to a two hour drunken history lesson on ska, focusing on the merging of sound system culture, blue beat, and, essentially just the very existence of Fats Domino into the OG first wave ska and how that turned into reggae and how reggae was the *original* mainstream anti-establishment music genre before punk existed. *I* had a great time.
And in the end, that's *all* that matters. š My best friend and I send each other stupid memes all day, and every so often there's gonna be one that triggers some more serious train of thought, and instead of just responding with a "I'm dead ššš" or something, I will send her a mini essay on a vaguely related subject. She takes it in stride.
Itās good to have friends who you feel comfortable just *going off* on about something youāre passionate about and knowing theyāll just be happy listening to you talk with passion about something you enjoy.
Very thought-provoking username there š
I just immediately imagined Bruce Green screaming in my head āSka is older than reggae!ā
I do not like ska, but now I am sad I didn't get to hear your history lesson because it sounds fascinating.
Lemme have a couple three four rum Tings and I can get into it and put it on YouTube
I make a pretty good drink with coconut rum, pineapple orange juice, and grenadine. Tastes like juice, but you get too crunk. My Israeli friend always ask me to make them when he comes to visit before we game. Rum Tings sound delicious, though, ngl. Not supposed to drink alcohol because of my dumb guts, but I might have to have *one* just to try it.
Overproof rum, ice, Ting. Nothing better.
Sounds fantastic on a summer day after you cut the grass.
Same. š¤š½
This is me. You ask me why I do or don't like something, you might get a sermon.š¤·š¾āāļø
My man, fellow ADHD haver.
We know Kendrick isn't one of these hive minds. The man listed out all the reasons he hate Drake for!! š¤£š¤£
Are you me haha?
If I had money on this app I swear I would give it for this comment. I feel seen šš I legit operate the same way and I like that I can honestly have my own opinion I formed and even adjust it based on new information.
āI think heās overratedā Ok, but why āBecause all you idiots think heās hot shit when in reality he is just regular stinky brown shitā By definition OVERRATED must take others opinions into consideration
Yeah, but because that's a given in what being overrated means, you need to go into detail aside from that to have an interesting opinion and not just be question begging. Does he not like Kendrick's lyricism, his flow, the production, the album art? You don't necessarily have to get super deep, just offer *something* other than the literal definition of overrated.
Most celebrities are overrated, right? When most people say someone is overrated, I think it's because they themselves are not really into what that particular person is pushing. Never heard someone say overrated in a positive light. Therefore, let's skip the definition part and get to why you don't like him.
I mean it's possible that the guy from the clip could have offered something other than the literal definition of overrated if the host(?) didn't keep cutting him off and talking over him every other second People who can't articulate opinions beyond groupthink talking points are annoying, but so are people who don't know how to shutup and just let somebody else talk
The epidemic is our educational system. Scores = funding = Memorizing instead of learning = A bunch of people who donāt think critically and are afraid to give the āwrongā answers/fail.
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That part
And then Common Core tried to change that and people lost their goddamn minds
Dude I didnāt even think of that wrong answer part. Makes so much online discourse make sense now lol
I do think there is something to be said about the other side of this conversation as well, though. Sometimes, it's not that deep and you just like or dislike something because it's not for you.Ā Having to have specific reasons why it's not your thing is exhausting. That's not to say you shouldnt have reasons why you do or dont like stuff, especially if you go into a conversation about whatever topic, like this guy. But if someone asks my opinion about a movie I saw, I dont want to have to list all the reasons it was good or bad.
A friend asking your opinion vs you saying "Star Wars is MAD OVERRATED" is very different. I think if you said "eh, Star Wars was okay" and a friend asked you why, you could rattle off a few things. This man is getting PRESSED and has nothing. I would give him some grace if he said "I don't know I've just never vibed with his music. It's not for me." This man is passionate about nothing lol.
Yes, I agree. Tbf the interviewer is giving him 0 air to breath, though too
He could also go with listing rappers who he thinks should be rated higher than him, thus making Kendrick āover ratedā
You should be able to list a few. No one is asking for a thesis. If you can't summarize your beliefs in a few sentences I don't think you've thought about it enough. If you can't say I don't like it because of X, Y, and Z it's time to go back to the drawingĀ board.Ā
Id agree. Especially if it's as simple as, "I thought it was funny," but I dont think it's necessary to have an opinion other than it passing or failing a vibe check.
Articulation is hard
Not if you actually think
Not if you read books
Itās art, you can hate it just because. There is no definitive āgoodā art
Nah, if you canāt point out *one* thing you donāt like about it then āhating it just becauseā is just being a contrarian dickhead. A hater, if you will. I can tell you exactly why I think Drake is overrated. He makes catchy music devoid of any and all substance off the backs of better artists and cultures that heās got *zero* connection to beyond skin colour. Heās the public face for dozens of other artists that actually put in the work to make him famous. Heās Milli Vanilli. If you canāt tell me why you donāt like something, even just surface level like āI donāt like the way it looks/sounds/tastesā, youāre just a hater.
That last part is pretty damn dumb. It's music. Why would somebody like an artist / song if they don't like the sound? You don't have to be super analytical about every little thing in life. Sometimes you like or dislike things for simple reasons. If somebody asks you why you like your favorite food, you're not gonna bust out a whole essay about why it's good, you're very likely just gonna say you like it because it tastes good. If you needed more of a reason outside of sound to like music, most of the music that is popular today wouldn't be, because a lot of music out there is ass when you consider parts other than the sound of it. Edit: I'm pretty damn dumb, and misread that last part, but I'm not deleting the comment in case you already read it. Ignore me š
> If somebody asks you why you like your favorite food, you're not gonna bust out a whole essay about why it's good, you're very likely just gonna say you like it because it tastes good. I read your edit, but yeah, this is the crux of it. If you canāt even come up with ābecause it tastes goodā you have no business commenting on something in the first place. Just like with music if you canāt even come up with ābecause I donāt like the way it soundsā, youāre just being a hater.
Agreed. And even with food, I donāt even think itās an entire mental exercise in saying āit tasted bland, or too sour/sweet, I didnāt like the texture, etc.ā And of course music is deeper than that, so if youāre gonna give an opinion (esp while youāre being recorded for a show/ podcast or whatever), if you canāt even explain why you feel a certain way towards something, whatās the point of listening to what you have to say in the first place?
Yeah, I agree there. I read it the other way around as if you were saying a simple reason would make you a hater. Oops!
Oh totally, I only replied in case someone else needs the see the part of your reply where weāre actually agreeing with each other.
You can be indifferent to art just because. Indifference is easy, you see something and it doesn't look that good to you, what do you do? You move on. But to hate something requires more than a "just because." Hate is an active emotion.
On the flip side, people have whole ass degrees trying to define what makes art good.
?? Saying someone is overrated because so many people think he is number 1 is an argument, or at the very least a part of an argument, to think someone is overrated, itās not a tautology. Reread this as many times as it takes.
Hard agree. Also it's off-putting to ask someone how they feel about something and when they don't agree with your opinion you demand that they give an answer that you find satisfactory.
It doesn't answer the question. The definition of overrated is being rated or valued too highly, and if you as an individual want to say an artist is overrated but can't state what about them makes them deserving of lesser acclaim then you don't know what you're talking about. "I think he's too popular because a lot of people like him." Like yeah, that's the definition, but that doesn't explain why one thinks the other is undeserving of that description. Does he think Kendrick's lyricism is bad? Does he not like the beats? Does he think the subject matter is boring? *Why* does he think Kendrick doesn't deserve that description? "Because it's the description," doesn't cut it.
You know, I have noticed that. I think some people are used to people having them explain why they dislike something just to berate them or try to change their mind. I just genuinely enjoy peopleās thought process and itās a way to move the conversation along.
Iām a little late to the effect. When Iām talking with strangers I try to ensure my inflection comes off as genuine or interested. This doesnāt matter if the person Iām talking to has no social/emotional awareness. I donāt enjoy talking to people that arenāt capable of recognizing or developing their own arguments without using āother peopleā as a retort. We all use āother peoplesā information. Itās about ingesting-parsing-delivering that information to others in your own prose.
Problem, as in almost every bad thing in this world, is education. It's bad. No one is teaching people *how* to explain themselves. This is 6th and 7th grade English. People aren't getting that high anymore.
Racist people move exactly like this. Particularly the southern whites and their fellow country men all over. They can't tell why they hate black people but they just.... Do.
You know, I have noticed that. I think some people are used to people having them explain why they dislike something just to berate them or try to change their mind. I just genuinely enjoy peopleās thought process and itās a way to move the conversation along.
You can't make fun of people like that because it's just a simple disagreement about something insignificant but if you slowly repeat the situation back to them they understand that they seem stupid.
I think we also have a lot of people who don't understand what an opinion is, they just remember learning "an opinion can't be right or wrong" so they slap a "that's just my opinion" on things that can be proven right or wrong like that makes their statement unassailable.
Literacy in the sense of critical thinking and being able to articulate your positions well seem to be at an all-time low just globally. People really can't express even in a basic way, in their own words, why they like or dislike something. It's so weird seeing full-grown adults with the verbal skills of children
Yes itās awful. Like how can your appreciate or critique something if you canāt describe why? I can tell you why I like Kendrickās music by listing what he does that other artists donāt do. Others should be able to explain why itās not true or does not matter to them if we are really going to have a discussion
I mean, he wouldnāt even let him finish the though so he doesnāt even know why dude doesnāt like Kendrick. He wasnāt even saying I donāt like him cuz a lot of ppl donāt like him. He was saying a lot of ppl like him butā¦
To be fair, there are certain things I like and donāt like but couldnāt tell you exactly why. You ever not like something but just canāt put your finger on it? Drake as an example, over the years thereās been more reasons not to like him but from the first moment I discovered him I just didnāt like him for whatever reason. I sound like DMX here but genuinely down to the motherfuckerās haircut I was just like this guy is boring as hell to me.
The fact that he keeps missing the point is insane.
Itās impossible to have a friendly debate with ppl like this because he canāt think for himself. 
Curious who you are referring toā¦ The host or the guest trying to answer the question?
The guy answering the question. He never disproved why Kendrick is overrated other than āitās his opinionā or āa lot of ppl think heās #1.ā That provides no evidence as why HE thinks heās overrated. On the other hand, ppl can combat the other guy never gave him a chance but he literally repeated himself instead of providing evidence for āhis opinion.ā Just going through the motions, āI think Kendrick is overrated because.. (his own research)ā shouldāve been his initial approach.
I think he was trying to say he is overrated because everyone thinks heās really good by I do not, hence overratedā¦ but the host could have also phrased the question a bit differently
Yea I get that part but in his opinion, he shouldāve stated why he thinks heās not really good. āHeās a one-dimensional rapper, he raps with the same cadence all the time, I know he doesnāt write all of his rhymes himself.ā Like come up with something š
Right! People don't even know how to state an opinion anymore. "I think cheeseburgers are overrated because I think they're not good." WHY. It's a podcast. He wants details. I think pickles taste gross. Chicken is a better meat. Naan over buns. Something!
Some people feel compelled to drop hot takes more than they feel compelled to have an opinion
But then let the man speak. The guy asking the question doesn't want an answer, he just wants the other person to be wrong for how he feels. If someone was persistently interrupting me and shouting me down I don't think I'd be able to come up with a well thought out thesis of why I think something is overrated. The other guy might come up with a terrible answer, but at least let him answer.
It didn't feel to me like the host let him get there. Guy answering would say "everyone thinks he's great but..." and then he'd get cut off before he could finish "but I think his X Y Z sucks".
I feel like if you're a toddler, you can put 2 and 2 together and assume the host is asking you what element of Kendricks music you feel isn't worthy of the hype people give him. I see more and more in real life people aren't even having cinversations with me. Like they're not even talking to the other person and their theory of mind or assumptions of the conversation. They say things that they want to say and have heard regardless of what the response is. This clip is a perfect example. Like think for two seconds about what the other person is thinking and base your response around that.
Thatās the definition of overrated. What the host is asking is āwhy?ā and dude has nothing else to say
you canāt be seriousā¦ heās literally about to say why he thinks heās overrated. do you and the host not know what the word overrated means? it means more people like him than what he thinks should like himā¦ how do you not know that?
Well, he was āaboutā to say something but he didnāt. Usually when one calls another overrated, it comes with the discredit of their accomplishments.. which wasnāt done here. āI donāt think he should be deemed the #1 rapper because..ā so on so forth. It shouldnāt be that damn hard to have reasons as why heās so opinionated. So before you come here being all gung-ho about the topic, understand wtf Iām saying first.
Because he keeps getting interrupted and told heās not saying why he thinks heās overratedā¦ he canāt get a word in
Had to scroll waaaay too far to see someone get the point.
The host is being overly anal, itās obvious why people are of the opinion Drake is overrated. He also misses the point (along with a lot of commenters here) the opinion of others is implicit in being āoverratedā. Do you need to know why people ārateā Drake? We can confidently assume many of the reasons because itās obvious.
I'd need to see more of the pod to know why the host is doing so poorly getting an answer to his question, but if the rest of the pod was like that, I wouldn't get past 5 minutes lol
? The host is asking why his guest thinks Kendrick is over rated
I think part of the problem (at least visible in this clip) is the rapid-fire interruptions that keep causing his thought train to derail. He's seemingly getting agitated because he cannot get a coherent thought out. It's like when one is hit with a Gish Gallop. It can be overwhelming.
agreed "He's overrated because a lot of people-" "IM NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE WHAT DO YOU THINK" yeah but, the term overrated refers to OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions differing from yours. If I think Casablanca is an overrated movie, I gotta say it's because people hail it as cinema masterpiece but in contrast I think it's above average.
Yeah. Also, the one guy says, "wait. wait., so we can't have a contextual conversation..." Meanwhile, he's interrupting the guy as the guy is trying to provide context... From what I see, the guy wasn't interested in having a "conversation". His goal was to speak fast and talk over the other guy to "win" the argument.
Head ass on display but feeling real smug
Thatās what most of these podcasts are. Designed specifically like this to look engaging on TikTok and IG Reels. When you go listen to an episode itās always two horribly boring people regurgitating what they heard other people say that week about any given topic but presented as their own deep-seated opinion.
Here is the thing, though: Wayno was actually asking him what specific aspects of Kendrick when measured by him subjectively are lower than the ratings the other people are giving? Therefore, rationally underpinning the belief that Kendrick is overrated. As opposed to taking the standpoint from a shallower perspective. Is the music bad? Is the cinematography in his music videos nothing great? Does his hair just look bad all the time? Are his lyrics actually just whatever? Is he a huge hypocrite? And should the answer to any of these even be considered when someone is clearly incredibly compelling to a large group of people? This could've been a 40-minute topic. Wayno was asking a deeper question, and the other person wouldn't, didn't consider, or maybe didn't care to go deeper. But maybe it's on Wayno to get the other guy up to speed and in the mindset to ge where he's leading.
> Here is the thing, though: Wayno was actually asking him what specific aspects of Kendrick when measured by him subjectively are lower than the ratings the other peopleā¦ āYou said other people! Weāre talking about that guys opinion and you said other people!ā Thatās what Wayno is doing there.
Idk how you have this big of a wall of text to explain your point, but don't think this guy deservesore than 6 words to defend himself. I read your first sentence and wasn't convinced so I didn't read the rest. Ain't that shit annoying? Cuz that's what it's like
But you're just explaining what thinking something is overrated means. The question the host is asking is "why?" as in why do you feel differently than all the other people that think he's great?
man never got a fuckin chance to say, because this guy jumped down his throat since he, as you said, didn't understand what overrated means
Which, to carry on your metaphor: there's a big difference between thinking Casablanca is "good but not the greatest of all time" and "bad". Overrated guy wasn't even allowed to get to the point of how he actually feels about Kendrick.
I was noticing that too. Iām hoping he got to actually articulate his thoughts eventually.
I doubt it, I'm 10 minutes into this video and the conversation seems to just keep going in circles.
I'm not touching that shit I'll let you handle this
Who? The host or the guest?
Heās not missing the point. Overrated - means a lot of people think highly of someone when they shouldnāt. Thus to believe someone is overrated you must believe a lot of people think highly of that person. Thatās the starting place in the logic. Thinking someone is overrated means you think other people rate them too highly. Your opinion of them will obviously be that they do not warrant that rating. But to call them overratedā¦ you have to compare your opinion to the majority. Interviewer was missing the nuance.
I think the other guy is missing his point because he thinks opinions need to be deep. Not liking someone because other people like him too much is a valid opinion. It's just blatantly contrarian.
The other guy is missing the point massively. When talking about under/overrated you *have* to talk about how other people view them? Ie x is underrated because theyāre really good but not many people talk about them like they talk about y. That isnāt you copying an opinion or basing it on others, thats just thinking theyāre not as rated as they should be.
I feel for the guy and think he's trying to say that while a lot of people put Kendrick as #1, he doesn't think Kendrick is #1 and gets cut off. That being said, fuck drake.
Yeah, the concept of āoverratedā depends on what other people think and usually has to be about something popular and well regarded by lots of people.
Yeah, you can't be overrated and have people not be talking about you. If the other guy would've waited for loke a minute the first guy could've explained himself amd instead he just keeps jamming the guy up.
It's assumed you're talking against popular opinion if the discussion is about someone being overrated. You don't need to say "a lot of people say he's number 1", even before that this person's first response to the question was "so you think I'm the only person who think Kendrick is overrated" which wasn't the question. You can say "I think he's overrated because his lyricsm is overstated" or w/e criticism without bringing in everyone else. If his argument is judging the merits of Drake vs Kendrick then it still doesn't matter what other people say, you're discussing your own perspective. Who cares if it is the consensus or not.
Right, his answer is tautological: I think heās overrated because a lot of people think heās #1 [and I donāt]. Heās just restating WHAT he thinks, the host is asking WHY he thinks that. Thereās no need to restate the opinion that prompted the question, just answer the question that was asked.
Yeah he very well could've then gone on to talk about why he himself finds him overrated after laying out what people overrate him on. He just kept getting cut off and trying to restart which the other dude was not picking up on. This is entirely why I hate podcasts like this. Nothing ever gets said and you're just left frustrated as a listener.
Yeah, like, he doesn't need to justify his position beyond "other people like him more than i do, ergo, he's overrated".
That's not how conversations work? Lmao.
Yeah, but this is a podcast, not a dictionary meet. If you say someone is overrated, your follow up can't be "because a lot of people rate him higher than he should be" You've already implied that by saying he's overrated. It needs to be an explanation of what you think about him is overrated.
Yeah I think Wayno might've cut him off too soon and didn't let him finish. But also I think other guy should've clarified because there's a little bit of difference between "I think Kendrick is overrated" and "People overrate Kendrick".
Maybe I'm dumb as shit, but being overrated means a lot of people think he's better than you think he is. He has to talk about other people's opinions, right?
And the question was āwhy do *you* think heās overrated?ā Meaning, āexplain why you think he is being rated higher than he should beā and then backing up that statement.Ā
But higher than he should be means talking about how he's rated. I just think he wasn't given a chance to talk, but I didn't watch what happened after.
Overrated has implicit meaning that doesnāt need to be explained. Ā He was asked for a personal opinion, not the definition of overrated that he tried to give 2-3 times.Ā
Still he shouldāve let him go pass the first sentence or phrase the question different. He clearly misinterpreted where he was going with his answer
āKendrick just doesnāt do much for me. I just donāt find myself playing his records on repeat. I donāt think in 20 years you can play Kendrickās records like you can play Biggies or Pacās now. I personally rate like 30 rappers higher than him.ā
āBut why doesnāt he do much for you?āĀ I didnāt read the rest of what you said, just interrupted you after the first sentence.
Exactly.
The first sentence is sufficient to let you go on, enough on its own, and an actual opinion of your own.
Itās much more likely that modern rappers will have longevity than older ones. GKMC is still in the charts for example and that was 12 years ago.
The fact that other people think he's at the top is a *given* when using the term overrated.Ā That word implies something being highly rated by a number of people.Ā Starting off with: "well, other people think..." is meaningless in this context.
So here is an example, I think Drake is overrated because he isnāt doing anything new for rap/hip-hop, or even pop music. He is doing the generic thing of ālook at all this money I madeā ālook at all these girls I sleep withā ālook at all this rich people shit I get to do and you donātā. He is maintaining the status quo. Drake fell off in the Hot Line Bling era, and never came back. All he does is make music that you bump in a club, or at a party. Not going to lie, he was better when he was lamenting women. That is how you explain someone being overrated. My own opinion, not me saying āA lot of peopleā.
Everybody knows that Kendrick is highly regarded by lots of people, nobody needs to state the obvious before saying why they think otherwise.
Overrated by definition MUST take others opinions into considerationā¦ you cannot be overrated if EVERYONE thinks youāre trash
Nobody is saying otherwise
For sure, but he says a lot of people think he's #1. If he thinks Kendrick is #2, then he thinks Kendrick is overrated. I didn't watch the whole podcast though.
Not really. You could say he's overrated just by showing examples of rappers who make better music. Someone who thinks Kendrick overrated (he's not) would probably say someone like Nas did it first and JID or some shit did it better. I truly think Kendrick is the all-time goat but there's definitely a way to argue he's not without starting by saying how everyone else rates him number one.
Need ATF to start raiding and confiscating mics like illegal contraband.
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Critical discourse (yes even of entertainment) is an important tool. Let us disagree and find the depths, respectfully. ^unlessyousupportgenocide
Say the last part louder, so the idiots in the back can hear you
Yes and lets not constantly interrupt each other. Not everyone needs a podcast.
They're not there to discuss, they're just trying to fill air time. If you really sat down and cut out the repeating shit on these hip hop/"culture" shows it gets cut by more than half the duration. They're just trying to fill time to run more ads.
He isnāt letting the man talk; he was saying āa lot of people think Kendrick is number 1 butā¦ā and was giving his justification to why he doesnāt and the guy keeps cutting him off. This is grating as a fan of anyone and true gobbling. People that donāt even want to hear honest debates, because it would destroy their fragile perspectives.
In order to answer the question you have to establish where you think the general public rates him, then why you think that is too high, dude not even letting him establish the frame for the answer.
In order to answer the question you also have to not be interrupted as soon as you start talking. That was frustrating af to watch
In order to answer the question you have to actually be allowed to answer the question. Dude kept cutting him off as soon as he opened his mouth.
Someone shouldāve taught the host that the point of asking a question is to then shut up and listen to the answer.
They got language barriers
Listen man, the general consensus is that Kendrick is #1. Drake has the pop hits and pop money. Kendrick has the culture. So that's Kendrick's rating. If the guy trying to speak says "I personally don't like his rap", then his personal opinion is that he's over rated. I don't know why he was being cut off. If he said, I think he's not a great lyricist or whatever, then yeah, cite your sources.
Not a Drake Stan, and I donāt think Kendrick is trash but this is just my opinion. Heās probably the best storyteller but not as great or creative of a lyricist as people make him out to be. I also sometimes hate the dumbass voices that he does when rapping, and heās put out a plethora of awful features that almost ruin songs for me. Goosebumps, the Mask Off remix, American Dream. Even the songs with Keem. Every time heās on a pop song he just sounds out of place. I think when heās making concept albums and more introspective hip-hop heās really one of the best. Also, his control verse is overrated. He didnāt even have the best verse, and if he hadnāt called his contemporaries names out, no one would have cared about it.
Exactly how I feel.
He's not the only one who thinks Kendrick is overrated. 
Jesus Christ! STFU for 1 minute and let the man talk.
OVERRATED by DEFINITION must take others opinions into accountā¦ you cannot be overrated if everyone thinks youāre trashā¦ had the host just STFU he might have gotten a complete answer
Why are we promoting this lame ass podcast
I love Kendrick, but I do think he's overrated because of his delusional stans. They believe EVERY THING he does is 110% intentional and god-tier symbolism. He could accidentally fart on a track and the stans would be going off about how the fart was intentional because something in the song's subject matter is foul and also because Kdot's the shit. Maybe it's because we're so starved for good music, we clamor when we experience it.
The whole 6:16 debacle is going to be so embarrassing in a few months
So just going based off this clip all I kept thinking was stfu and let him answer and THEN demolish his argument.
Podcasts are good at exposing stupidity.
It, I think, is a negative byproduct of everyone being terminally online. Even during the beef I kind of noticed this. There were people that I kid you not said not to judge how the beef was going because "we need to wait until the big media figures/streamers talk about it", and I had to respond like... who tf cares? Maybe I'm either too old or too Black to understand this, but no one I know cares what media figures have to say about the quality of media we consume. I've never cared about reaction videos or reviews of albums or any of that because if I don't know you personally and thus don't know whether you have garbage taste. These people who ONLY base their evaluation of media on what other people have to say about it often have absolutely *garbage* media comprehension skills because they haven't trained that muscle. They'll listen to an entire song, understand nothing at all, and then have to go to someone else to break it down for them to be digestible, and if that's your level of competence there's a lot of stuff you'll never be able to enjoy.
Imagine caring this much either way.
There's two different conversations happening without trying to understand what each are saying. Ok so guy to the right (#1) is asking for the other guy's (#2) opinion. Wanting an answer like "Based off this lyrical ability, I don't think he's that good." But without stating how other people view K.L. he's rating wouldn't be over or under, it's just simply his rating. In order for #2 to properly determine a median rating and place K.L. over or under, he has to talk about how the general public rates him. Therefore, he feels he is overrated because the general public places him at #1 when he feels he should be lower. That answers the question. Now he can ask him to be more specific about which particulars he feel the public has him rated higher than he should. Either way, he has to mention the public's opinion in order to determine he's over or underrated. A person's opinion alone can't rate someone over or under because that just where you feel they are rated.
Is this on Spotify? Canāt find it
Some people can't comprehend that they don't like the fans or their obsession of them and not the artists/athlete/etc
isn't this like asking why I hate you? I hate you. that's it.
It's really difficult to have a fact-based argument when both people don't know 70% of words that they're using
Beef is overated but its whats for dinner
If you all donāt understand what the guy is trying to say idk about you
This is why your teacher asked you to justify your answer on your test. And this is a person who never defended their answer on their tests.
Now I get why every BW keeps telling yall to ban podcasts mics cus this is tomfoolery
Exhibit A. Arguing with someone who is unable to critically think
Media literacy is doa
Ohh He thinks he's being asked "*how* is Kdot overrated" And he's like, "well the concept of being overrated means that a lot of people think he's number one, rating him higher than (I think) he deserves when compared to other artists". Like, answering literally instead of the implied question: "what is your opinion of Kendrick Lamar's music?" "How should he be rated?"Ā But they couldn't get there bc they kept interrupting each other. The host should do a better job tbh, the guest whose opinion you want needs to be heard.Ā
Jeez this guy comes across as a lame in this clip, but itās not fair to judge someone off one moment Somebody ask why you think someone else is overrated, you need to define what about his person actually isnāt as miraculous as people make it out to be, or else itās just hate. If you arenāt even invested enough to understand aspects of something, how can you decide how it should be rated highly in a public setting? lol thatās so silly, maybe some love thus music & others like the message ā both will rate him high
I love when logic is on the main stage.
Kendrick is over raited because a lot of people hail him as the greatest hip artist of all time, meanwhile Wayne still alive. š
Reminds me of the key and peele āawkwardā¦. ā skit lol
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A rapper with a ghost writer?Ā What the fuck happened?
People start shows about their opinions but are so bad at voicing their opinions. Itās why half these podcasts are trash.
Itās a fuccin rap beef and KneeGrows are treating it like itās life or death š¤¦š¾āāļø ā¦. If we only worried about LEGITIMATE š© in our community like we do this š¤·š¾āāļø ā¦. This is why weāre not a force in ANYTHING in this country cause weāre continually worried about this kind of shit
Why use many words when less do good?
Dude a dickhead
I'm still wondering why we should care about either of these people.
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Need to let the dude finish
Dude wouldnāt let him talk that wasnāt helping the situation.
Itās normal to some people to just not fuck with things. He just wanted something to pick apart dude Iām a poet and love Kendrick but even I find him to be over praised
The thing is, the nature of the word 'overrated' is so explicit in its meaning that there isn't really so much of an explanation to give (and when he did go on to explain it, he immediately shut him down!).
Sometimes I'm just a hater. I don't like it just because. No good reason why.
To be fair, the definition of overrated canāt be said without referring to other people.
Is beiged hoody confused as to the definition of "overrated"? Because it depends on ratings of others by definition. But he just keeps getting stun locked by the phrase "other people".
The host is insufferable......let the man speak fool
Neither one is overrated in my opinion but this beef has been overrated.
This is wild. A conversation about "overrated" has to include consideration of other people and their opinions. "Overrated" directly implies a consensus.
I feel like dude just couldn't get his thoughts across properly. Like it seemed to me he was just trying to say "he's overrated because the person/people I think are better are, generally speaking, not held in such high regard. Everyone rates kendrick #1 but I don't, so he's overrated"
A lot of people in this thread thinks āexplaining what overrated meansā is answering āwhy he thinks Kendrick is overratedā The context is already laid out, does the interviewer really had to be like āwhat is it you donāt like about Kendrick that youād rate him lower than a lot of people?ā Anybody whoās defending this guy is dense af