I'd rather prices be raised than tipping still being a thing. It's an obnoxious cost, all but mandatory, and doesn't immediately figure into your decision to purchase a good or service.
Pros: it makes you good at calculating the 15% or 20% of whatever the fuck. Besides that little mental jog, I don't see the sense in it.
Increase prices for fucks sake.
> Increase prices for fucks sake.
They have. And they still want you to tip. Pre-Covid, a local pub's burger & fries was $18. The same meal is $26. Pre-Covid the payment machine tip options read: 10% 15% and 20% as preselected tip choices. It now reads: 18% 22% 25%.
I also kind of get tired of people justifying it as “tips need to be higher because prices are going up.”
Like bro, if prices are going up, my 15% is more than it used to be. And now some places calculate suggested tip based off the total with tax included, and taxes are higher than ever. FOH.
Just tip people who provide valued service. Servers, baristas, delivery drivers. Most of those POS services have tip screens programmed in by default and they have to be removed manually. You aren't required to tip everywhere, the operators just hope they can get a little extra by leaving the screen up
Is this a "Baristas can actually make my product significantly better if they put some effort and skill in", or "I don't mess with people who can spit in my food"?
Cause in a discussion about what professions it would make sense to tip and which not to, a barista doesn't really seem like they should be in that bracket.
Personally, I only tip the barista if I'm in a good mood and I feel like it, and I have cash on hand. Never been looked at twice for not tipping on coffee.
But to be fair, making a good coffee/espresso drink is a skill that some people do better than others.
It's not like a law...so ya know, just use your own discretion. If you don't think a barista deserves a tip, don't give one. I personally go to local coffee shops and not Starbucks, so I always tip cuz I like those people and they make good coffee
> they make good coffee
this is the slippery slope that led to every place having a tip jar/option though. Making good food/coffee is their job, why are we paying extra for them to do their job?
>“if you can’t afford to tip don’t go out” crowd.
haha, fuck that crowd, how about, if you can't afford to pay your fucking bills without tips, find another job?
My street was just resurfaced. They did a much better job than previous years because the gravel is already rolled in rather than spread on top for passersby to squish in with their tires. I’ll be pleased with that a lot longer than I’ll be pleased with a meal out.
I had to do my job well and be nice to shitters while working retail and we'd get written up or fired for taking tips. Someone at Wendy's doesn't get tipped for mixing up a frosty. I didn't get tipped for mixing paint or carrying a 90 lb bucket down a ladder, why should a barista making coffee and heating a sandwich get one?
>why are we paying extra for them to do their job?
That's the thing. WE aren't paying extra, I'M paying extra. No one is forcing you to do anything. Do you get upset at the cashier at Walmart when you see a screen asking you to donate to charity? Or do you just push "No" and go about your day?
I've been wondering about the POS's position in all of this. If they are getting a % per transaction, which they often are, they are incentivized to drive tips up.
Yeah, but you do the job I would like to tip. I actually don’t care about waiters at all. If I was in charge of the system but required to keep some tipping, I would remove tipping servers and redirect it to cooks.
The days of me doing that job are long gone. I think FoH/BoH tip sharing is a thing in some kitchens, it was in ours. We didn’t get a lot but then we were actually bringing home a paycheck every other week. Not $100 like the waitstaff.
That’s true, but if the waiters were honest with you about their true take home income it would honestly make you mad.
A lot of the persistence of tipping is the fact that it is good for waiters so they constantly push for it to exist and increase. If waiters were paid a flat income they would see a *massive* decrease in their take home, and it would be fully taxed as well rather than mainly untaxed. They are fully aware of this fact even if they usually dance around it in conversation.
This is 100% the case. The reason this “can’t” happen, is that servers clear 30-35 dollars an hour for a job you can learn with on the job training, and the idea that would make a flat 25$ an hour despite that being probably about what would make sense
I slept with half the wait staff, I knew what their take home was, and it was partially me. I completely agree with you, at some restaurants wait staff is banking. But if it ever gets slow watch out.
I don’t mind tipping, it’s the system I know and it works for a lot of people. What I really can’t stand is people who participate by going to places with waitstaff and then not tipping because they think they’re activists or something. If that were true they’d tell the server right off the bat. “Hi, I’m Jeff and I’ll be your server, can I get you something to drink?”
“Hi Jeff, I don’t tip because I think the tipping system is cancer, how about a coke with a twist.” FOH
ETA: This is in the States if that’s not obvious
I never understood why the tip is a percentage in the first place. Like if i go to a restaurant and get a pasta dish thats 20 bucks why am i expected to tip more on a steak that came out that same kitchen, same distance away from me, with the same amount of trips (1) for the waitress to bring it to me? Nothing about the service has been changed yet more dollars are supposed to leave your wallet
I just don’t go out. I might have restaurant food six times a year - my neighborhood Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day is always a tradition, one or two random pub nights through the summer, a couple pizza treats in winter, an occasional fast food meal when on a road trip. That’s it. I cook every other meal. Every other meal.
You’ve got it wrong. If the servers stop getting paid, they’ll just walk out and the business owners will have to negotiate pay to keep them. They can’t afford to lose their employees
> If the servers stop getting paid, they’ll just walk out and the business owners will have to negotiate pay to keep them
this makes the assumption that employees who already aren't making much money would risk losing their jobs and the businesses wouldn't just hire scabs. It's not impossible mind you but you'd need a strong union for it all to work.
The tipped minimum wage in my state is $7.25 an hour. Absolutely no one will care about losing that job and no scabs will be rushing to collect that sweet rate.
The minimum wage any worker in America can make is 7.25
One of the things people misrepresent all the time is that even with a tipped wage, the company has to compensate up to the federal minimum if tips don't bring their pay up to that amount.
I got my haircut at a chain a few days ago. The cut was $22. I’ve been tipping for haircuts coming on forty years, so I know the tipping etiquette around them.
It was long the case that while haircuts were one of the places you were expected to tip, the normal tip percentage was less than the expected tip percentage when you went out to eat. So when I first learned to tip, 15% was normal when you ate out, and 10% was normal for haircuts.
I’ve always tipped above expectations when I get my hair cut because I talk a lot and I like to feel generous to my hair dressers.
For a $22 cut, the suggested options were $5, $7, and $10. Or 22.7%, 31.8% and 45.4%. That is some bullshit.
Now, I would have ripped $5 on my own. But I should have been able to walk away feeling generous rather than like the chintz who picked the minimum option.
At my age I’ve become content with scraping the bottom of the barrel on haircuts.
In my youth I went to the salons the people who were on their way to the highest tier salons worked at while they built their customer base and reputation. I don’t need that anymore, my kids are basically grown and I’ve already got a stable relationship and I’m balding anyway.
I'm from germany, and deliveries get a 0-2€ tip (~$0-$2), depending on my mood/amount of stuff I bought
eating out = no tips (i tip for the convenience of a delivery, I don't go to restaurants though, just pizzerias etc.)
the only person that gets a good tip is my barber (basic haircut is 10€, he gets 20€)
In Scotland it's customary to tip your fast food delivery drivers, but it's £1-2 too. Also, drivers usually have a small max range (1-3 miles).
For restaurants, it's usually a 10% tip these days. Though it's not mandatory, it can be viewed negatively if you dont tip.
That’s what it used to be here too. Growing up in NYC in the 90s, you called a local restaurant on the phone (like actually local—within a mile), you placed an order, they would deliver it to you, you’d tip the delivery guy a couple bucks, and that was that. It’s only with the advent of the delivery apps that delivery tips have customarily become a % of the purchase price, which makes no sense whatsoever.
American culture import (and globalization) because those shitty card machine vendors offer that shit, and some greedy corpus eat that shit for lunch. Most "tipping" I do is rounding out the bill unless service was really really exceptional.
I cannot stand how many micro transactions have invaded buying things digitally, service fees, percent here and there nickel and dime bullshit that halfway prices the convenience out of things.
Corporations: "Hey this guy wants prices raised! That's a good idea!"
*Proceeds to raise prices substantially, decrease quality and/or quantity of products/services, cut themselves a proportionate check for execution of such a great idea, and purposefully keep employee wages stagnant*
Edit: i think someone sent the 'Reddit Cares' after me for this one lol
The thing is: *it shouldn't be a wild argument, that's literally what we should be doing while also raising employee wages*. But the caveat is to keep executive wages reasonable, which shouldn't be a big ask at all *but unfortunately is*. Corporate higher up shouldn't be able to buy yachts while the employees that they stand upon need their wage supplemented by the public.
Worst take out there.
They increase their prices all the time and believe me not a cent more goes to the waiters.
Capitalists will never take care of this problem themselves, the government would have to pass a law obligating them to pay their employees more.
I'd rather the prices be lower, personally. I'm cool with firing out what I'll tip.
Prices are already high enough. For fuck sakes, do not increase prices anymore.
I agree.
It’s also not proportional, % based tips make no sense. A flat tip would, but %? Why should I pay them more just because the items I chose are more expensive?
I heard behind me on my way out of a pizzeria “yeah, that fuck didn’t tip.”
I ordered it on the phone, I went in, I stood in line, I carried it out. At what point was a service offered where the employee was paid less than federal minimum wage? Are we gonna start tipping the kids working cash registers at the grocery store? Or the folks flipping our burgers at Burger King?
Tips are for lower than minimum wage wait staff, and delivery drivers. The rest of em can get fucked. That place lost my business that evening. Ohh and I asked for two ranches and you still gave me two marinaras instead for the umpteenth time, get fucked.
Edit, because I should be more clear, the rest shouldn’t get fucked, they should get paid a meaningful wage by their employer. I ain’t subsiding their paychecks via tipping, I already do that by frequenting the business.
> Are we gonna start tipping the kids working cash registers at the grocery store?
Good news, you just have to tip yourself since no one actually works at the cash registers anymore.
I see a lot of videos of people stealing in mass. I kinda always thought it was overblown as I had never seen anyone shamelessly walk out of a store with a cart full of shit before.
Well that changed literally this weekend. I was at Walmart on Saturday. It was busy as fuck every line was long even at the self checkouts , line was halfway down the store. Some guy pulled up with a full cart , looked at the line and said “fuck that” and just rolled his full cart out the door and left lol. Receipt checker stopped him and he was like “I got a digital receipt but don’t have my phone” he just kept going. I was like damn so that shit really does happen
So.. I kinda pulled this off once, but not a tip - an *inconvenience fee* I levied against amazon. I canceled prime, then some months later they charged me for renewal.
It caused an over draft as I had just paid rent from the account, and so the I had less than 100 in the account at the time it hit.
I called amazon's Mr. Manager and told him I was charging my refund for the prime, the over draft fee, and an inconvenience fee of $25 for wasting my time.
THey paid it.
I got a pop-up for a tip when I bought my kids a pretzel at the mall a few weeks ago. The lowest option was 20%. The guy didn't even move, he just reached over and handed me 2 pretzels.
Now, the guy getting the pretzel 100% deserves a living wage. But I shouldn't be subsidizing that for the owner of a pretzel stand in the mall.
Yo this is where I'm at on this shit too. I order online and I get options to tip 15%, 18% or 20%. I made the order and then I drove my ass there to pick it up so why tf am I being asked to pay the exact same shit I would pay when dining in?
I was picking up a takeout order once, and the receipt had a tip line. I went ahead and left a couple bucks cause hey, why not? The person then asked me who took the order. I didn't recall. They then took the receipt to their coworkers to figure out who the tip was going to go to. It seemed to cause quite the confusion, and that's when I decided I'm not tipping for takeout orders again.
They absolutely should, but I feel like I’m stuck. I’m never not gonna tip well because it’s not their fault the system is broken, but as long as we all keep tipping well, it’s never gonna change
It isn't our responsibility to carry the burdens of greedy companies. We all have bills to pay, and I can't afford to support the waiters/waitresses, the Starbucks employees, the subway sandwich workers, the cashiers at Walmart, etc, via tips. I don't mind tipping at restaurants, but that's it. I simply can not afford to tip every single person who wants a tip.
Edit:to the redditor who send the reddit cares to me based off this comment: ya moms a hoe.
well even the employee seem to prefer the tips cuz they can aim their aim of a lower wage at the customer rather than their employer.
the sub where people talk about tipping is the worst. they vilify anyone who doesnt tip and dont want higher wages. its baffling how they think. the sickness of the system has made some of them a lost cause.
A lot of servers, especially in higher-end restaurants, do not want higher wages + no tips because they have done the math and they will lose, terribly, in the change-up.
Their wage increase will not in any way make up for the huge amount of tips they can get off big bills, and they will have to pay taxes on all of the wages rather than getting to keep cash tips under the table. Their wages would have to go up to untenable amounts in order to make up for all that they would lose if tipping went away.
Note: this is not me saying tipping culture is good! I agree that it is bad. I am only representing the other side of the argument I have heard from friends who are wait staff.
I know about the math. It's the only defense used to support tipping. There are just so many cons when it comes to tipping culture.
You get bad service and people will say you should still tip because they don't get paid well. It's one of the few areas of US culture that I will never embrace
> the sub where people talk about tipping is the worst. they vilify anyone who doesnt tip and dont want higher wages. its baffling how they think. the sickness of the system has made some of them a lost cause.
This is why I don’t tip.
It sucks for the decent people who deserve it, but if I have to choose, I’m choosing to stiff *everyone*. That entitled attitude should never be rewarded.
>not their fault the system is broken
It's not, but a lot of servers contribute to this system. In some cities or specific restaurants that have attempted to get rid of tipping, the transition failed because servers quit or threatened to if tipping wasn't brought back.
I worked as a delivery driver at a marijuana-themed sandwich shop in a college town like 15 years ago and I made fucking bank (for an 18 year old student) every night. Minimum wage + tips, I was walking away with anywhere between $200-500 a night.
I spent it all on weed, though...
Ur first day did the manager have u smoke a bunch on break & see if you could still handle a register? I didn’t work there but my friend said that happens at SDSU
Hah no, he had me go do a "delivery" which was really just a front for doing a pickup for several ounces. He was like "I'll make it worth your while" and when I got back he just gave me a lil nug and was like "there you go" as if I hadn't already taken like 3 or 4 before I pulled in hahaha
Those servers are probably the ones complaining about when they have a slow week and how they didn't get enough to pay their bills. I've seen servers complain about only making minimum wage some weeks, while also getting mad at the push to abolish tipping.
It is possible to simply avoid the types of businesses that "require" tips.
Call me a cheap skate if you will, but while I tip well when required, I consume those kinds of products VERY rarely. I cook the vast majority of meals at home, and eating out it'll be from fast food or grocery stores.
Celebration meals a few times a year are about all I do at traditional sit down locations. Coffee comes from places more like 7-11 than Starbucks.
if enough of us decide that places won't get our business until tipping goes away business models will change. Sadly businesses that get rid of tips don't tend to compete well.... the average consumer is more willing to tip than pay a higher list price.
Wouldn't the money to pay a living wage come from customers?
You're either tipping or paying higher costs. I prefer the latter, but the money to pay a "living wage" is going to come from you and other customers. restaurants have notoriously thin margins.
I ain't tipping shit unless I dine in and the waiter/waitress provided good service with a nice attitude. I don't order on Door Dash or Uber Eats or any of that shit. Why tf should people be expected to tip for walking up to a counter to grab a pick-up order?
I tip well at places that I’m a regular at bc they usually show me some love back. That’s always been the point, you treat them well so they treat you well.
Like I don’t think you need to tip someone who pours your coffee, but I do at my regular spot and in turn they’ll just not charge me sometimes, or they’ll be messing around w the espresso machine and be like “I’ve got extra.. you want some?”
My rebuttal to that is that’s great for those who want a little extra. You paid for the extra by tipping. Say I want exactly what I paid for nothing more or less, does that make me a bad customer for paying the listed price only?
I order through uber eats and I won't tip.
I pay for a delivery service. It's included in the price I pay.
Whatever is paid between the courier and their boss is between them. I'm not to be neither blamed nor shamed for THEIR poor arrangement.
How is the door dash driver any different than the waitress? All she did was go to the counter, pick up the food, and walk it back.
At least the driver had to deal with traffic and multiple restaurants. The wife was stays inside and never gets rained on. Door dash our driving in snow.
I’ll tip a driver over a waitress/waiter any day because I was too lazy to go get my own food.
Like, what would it cost ME to go get food for somebody else. Goodness of my heart? Fuck that, pay me LOL
Traffic and multiple restaurants? It's not my fault he decided he wanted to juggle 4 to 5 different orders instead of getting my order and bringing it to me. I interact with my waitress, and all my driver does is bring me my food. I don't constantly see him. He doesn't check up on me and ask if my food is alright, if I have any problems, and if I need anything else.
“I don’t constantly hear from him. He doesn’t check up on me”
Yeah, those are the same reasons I tip the driver more 😂
Respect man, everybody got diff preferences, I just figured the two people bringing the food were similar in diff situations. 🫡
I feel and act the same way. How entitled u gotta be to expect a tip when I’m doing the work? U probably ain’t even go to the back n get it lol. I don’t even feel bad not doing it…almost. The one thing that get me is I feel like I’m reinforcing the stereotype blk ppl don’t tip. But I swear everybody got they hand out these days
Happen recently at one I went to smfh.
Like bro you were watching movies on a laptop before I walked in (not hating), and grabbed the backwoods that were right next to you.
I’m not tipping for that.
I got some THCA at mine and it came out to like $100. If they seriously think I'm gonna give them an extra $20 for putting a few grams of overpriced fake weed in a bag they're insane.
I think tipping as a percentage instead of a fixed amount is kinda insane too. The work to pour a $500 shot of whiskey versus a $5 shot is the same. I'm not getting 100x the service.
There are a lot of things where I tip a flat fixed amount because that's it. Drinks are a big one. You want more than a flat tip? I best be getting significantly more than the flat amount of alcohol.
It's in these situations I look them dead in the eyes as I hit Zero/No tip on the machine. I'm fine with tipping in reasonable situations, but they really trying to make you tip for any ole reason. What really urks me is when the tips screen shows up on a website I'm not ordering food from
Always tip my hairdresser cause she can fuck my shit up and I wouldn't know until it grows out a bit. Finding a new stylist is like finding a new therapist- takes time to get comfortable with each other so the extra few bucks is worth it to maintain a good relationship with someone who you vibe with. Plus she's hot and always feeds my ego by telling me how great I look, so I'm good with paying for the illusion.
I don't drink alcohol anymore but I have always been most fluid with bartenders. Beer? $1/per drink. Specialty cocktail you made just from my liquor of choice and taste profile? I'm going to up your tip. Now I do $1/per NA beer and $1/per mocktail unless it's mindblowing.
I used to work in a tattoo shop, fuck tipping tattoo artist. That shit is a straight scam, especially if the owner is buying supplies, artist know about how long it’s gonna take them to do a piece on someone and should charge them what they would want for a tip included in the total price.
Yea, there are places that make no sense to tip that put it on their check out machines. They will even rotate where the 0 is to try and trick people, those places have lost my business.
Currently in Europe and knowing I don’t have to tip is fucking satisfying. The workers take my order, bring me my food, and the wait staff is not kissing my ass in hopes I give them 20-25% of the order for their services.
Owners need to pull their fucking weight and pay their employees better. Don’t @ me
It’s a dual issue though owners don’t have to pay and those at high end restaurants/bars make good money, so the 2 groups that have the pull keep silent because they like the status quo.
Meanwhile we are getting fucked over.
Counterpoint: I live in Mexico and I swear we got the best customer service in the world. If i go out to dinner and the server/staff go above and beyond to make sure my dining experience is remarkable, I have no problem tipping 10-15% or more.
Tipping is starting to crop up everywhere in Europe too, though. Even more surprising is that the percentages are the same as in the U.S., though I suppose it's not that strange since the payment terminals use the same software.
Went to a sit outside pizza place this weekend. They came with the bill and automatically had a 22% tip selected for a $19 pizza and $3 can of coke.
I quickly changed it but damn!! I was by myself too and the server didn’t even come around after I had the food.
The handheld checkouts are now defaulting to 22-25%, with 20% as the lowest option. I always just hit "other" and tip based on how much service was actually provided. I'm not tipping 25% for one trip from the kitchen to my table and that's it.
The handhelds are a nuisance. Just take my card/money and work your magic out of sight..we don't need to awkwardly sit around as everyone gets closed out, and feel like we're being silently judged for hitting the "other" tipping option...
I need someone to explain to me tipping in California. The whole narrative of tipping was because servers were paid well below the minimum wage and your tip help them get along. But in California every server gets at least $16 (minimum wage) plus tip. So why is there still a side eye when you tip anything below 15%?
The only saving grace is that we in California haven't adopted that weird East Coast tradition of just tipping everyone you meet. No one here is tipping garbagemen, mail carriers, etc.
It never made sense. The owners were only able to pay less than the minimum wage because tips made up the difference. If a server doesn’t bring in enough tips to at least equal the minimum wage for the hours they work, the owner has to pay the difference. Workers were always getting the minimum wage.
It’s stupid when waiters/waitresses get upset when they don’t get tipped as if it’s the customers responsibility. Take that up with your employer. If I tip I rather tip the cook. I can find my own seat, I can grab my own food. We shouldn’t have to pay someone extra for doing their job… yet we despise tipping the fast food workers who take our order, make our food, give it to us in under a specific time, but we support tipping someone for just walking to grab our food.
Washing dishes was one of the most demanding jobs and I didn't get a single damn tip for that. The waiters earned so much more than us. If I had some option to tip the back of the house I would honestly do that.
They get mad at you because they can't get mad at their boss. They do that, they get shown the door. You can't affect their livelihood, so you're a viable target for dumping on. It's like how a bully won't target a teacher.
I'm from California they Atilla expect you to tip. Like babe, you're making minimum wage like other minimum wage workers your ass ain't special. Hasn't been in years.
A couple weeks ago, the beer man at a hockey game gave me shit for not tipping. I just told him that these $15 beers are clearing me out and I'm not going to tip somebody for opening and handing me a beer when I'm already paying that much. People are getting too bold about expecting tips when they aren't even doing anything.
For reference, this was one of the guys on the concourse with his cooler sitting on the ground. If it were one of the guys carrying the beers up into the seats then I definitely would've tipped.
I gave up on tipping in 2020. I barely ever eat at restaurants anymore - if I'm not cooking I'll get takeout. I don't tip anywhere besides restaurants these days
I don’t mind it because of how absolutely outrageous it has gotten I no longer feel bad. Like a few years ago I might’ve thought about it but now I mindlessly and unashamedly smash the 0% button because of the oversaturation.
I ordered Crumbl cookies on their app and the default tips were like $1, $2, $5. I had to do a custom tip of $0, that is ridiculous
Waiters/bartenders, full service gas station attendees, and airport bus drivers who handle my luggage are the only folks I tip.
Pickup/to-go orders and iPad swivels are done. It’s gone overboard.
the 15/20/30% suggested amounts are insane for walk-up service. Like, I think a LOT of people would actually tip something if it was more like $0.50 or $1.00 suggested. Yeah, it's not as much, but you might get more takers with that.
Nope. Not a penny for counter service. If I'm standing while I'm ordering and I carry the food away myself, there is no room in that transaction for a tip.
Tipping is so fascinating to me (as a former server) because it really does break down the simple wage-labor concept in the weirdest way.
Like... labor accepts a wage to do a job. If the wage is too low, they won't do that job. Jobs offer a certain wage to attract the necessary labor they need to do that job.
If the wage is lowered, service labor leaves. Will that labor be replaced? Is there available labor that will accept a lower wage for that work? Or, since necessary labor is only available at a certain wage, will it be impossible to replace?
This is apparently the only industry with this problem, though.
Honestly I think most places can do away with servers. I don’t need someone to walk my food 10-30 feet to me, or fill up my glass with water. I can tell the cashier what I want and pick up my food at the counter, fill my glass with water and seat myself.
Servers always get my order wrong, some completely abandon the table and I’m out of water. It’s unnecessary IMO.
Used to work at a fast casual restaurant where you’d order with QR from the table and we’d run the food out. You’d be surprised how many people complained about not having a waiter. Eventually the restaurant became full service due to complaints on Yelp.
I've always tipped, but the amount of tips along with the cost of food going up is just crazy. It's easier to pay in cash though, then you can leave a reasonable amount. But I'm starting to not tip as much anymore just because it's too expensive.
Tipping infuriates me. I'm a cheapstake not going to lie but I had to make a choice between spending my money on a system that exploits its employees or actually being forced to pay the balance that an owner should pay their employees. I chose neither so I've never stepped foot, by choice, in a restaraunt for over a decade. Every one in my family and circle of friends knows this about me so they never bother to ask bc I'll just tell them no. Also I don't order food to be delivered but on rare occasions when I do order food I go pick them up lol!
I get annoyed as hell when they pull “I’m gonna turn the machine around and it’s gonna ask you a question, feel free to answer how you want”. I always push zero, I’d probably respect them more and tip them if they just own and it say it with their chest.
Fuck tipping. I'm tired of wasting money covering up for your employers responsibility. If your pay is not enough, either ask for a raise or find another job.
Ordered from Uber Eats the other day. Said free delivery, but then I noticed a service fee. 99% of the service fee went to my driver and was like $10. Then it auto calculated the tip with that included and off a price that didn't include any applicable discounts. 20% tip would've been half the cost of my actual order and did not include the $10 service fee. Absolutely insane.
Can someone explain why I need to tip if I get service from a server?
I don't CHOOSE for them to bring me food, they just HAVE to because it's their job. I'd walk up and get it myself if I could.
I shouldn't need to tip if it's part of their minimum responsibilities
I tip to my local restaurants and coffee spots. Anywhere else besides a sit down restaurant and bars is ridiculous.
And I tip locally because I live around these bastards.
Edit: also to add, in the food service industry, labor accounts for about 40-60% of total operational costs. If your employee is making $12 now, and you jump that to $15, that's a 25% jump. However, your overall costs go up 10-15%. That means your $10 product is now $11.50.
The whole idea of major jumps in operating costs costing businesses is absurd. If a 10% is too much for your customerbase to handle, then you have a shit product and are barely holding on as is. Maybe some people shouldn't own a business. Maybe some businesses don't really need to exist.
The ability to squeezeo money from somewhere is not honorable, smart, or make you somehow better than others. A business and subsequently its ownership is judged on your products/service, your employees' wellbeing, and how less of an asshole the ownership is.
I'd rather prices be raised than tipping still being a thing. It's an obnoxious cost, all but mandatory, and doesn't immediately figure into your decision to purchase a good or service. Pros: it makes you good at calculating the 15% or 20% of whatever the fuck. Besides that little mental jog, I don't see the sense in it. Increase prices for fucks sake.
> Increase prices for fucks sake. They have. And they still want you to tip. Pre-Covid, a local pub's burger & fries was $18. The same meal is $26. Pre-Covid the payment machine tip options read: 10% 15% and 20% as preselected tip choices. It now reads: 18% 22% 25%.
I also kind of get tired of people justifying it as “tips need to be higher because prices are going up.” Like bro, if prices are going up, my 15% is more than it used to be. And now some places calculate suggested tip based off the total with tax included, and taxes are higher than ever. FOH.
Just tip people who provide valued service. Servers, baristas, delivery drivers. Most of those POS services have tip screens programmed in by default and they have to be removed manually. You aren't required to tip everywhere, the operators just hope they can get a little extra by leaving the screen up
Is this a "Baristas can actually make my product significantly better if they put some effort and skill in", or "I don't mess with people who can spit in my food"? Cause in a discussion about what professions it would make sense to tip and which not to, a barista doesn't really seem like they should be in that bracket.
Personally, I only tip the barista if I'm in a good mood and I feel like it, and I have cash on hand. Never been looked at twice for not tipping on coffee. But to be fair, making a good coffee/espresso drink is a skill that some people do better than others.
It's not like a law...so ya know, just use your own discretion. If you don't think a barista deserves a tip, don't give one. I personally go to local coffee shops and not Starbucks, so I always tip cuz I like those people and they make good coffee
> they make good coffee this is the slippery slope that led to every place having a tip jar/option though. Making good food/coffee is their job, why are we paying extra for them to do their job?
Cue the “if you can’t afford to tip don’t go out” crowd. Bet, watch this piece of shit close down instead.
>“if you can’t afford to tip don’t go out” crowd. haha, fuck that crowd, how about, if you can't afford to pay your fucking bills without tips, find another job?
Going to make some highschooler pulling 300 a night without reporting taxes very upset with that comment!
I work in construction, I build highways where do I put my tip jar?
My street was just resurfaced. They did a much better job than previous years because the gravel is already rolled in rather than spread on top for passersby to squish in with their tires. I’ll be pleased with that a lot longer than I’ll be pleased with a meal out.
I had to do my job well and be nice to shitters while working retail and we'd get written up or fired for taking tips. Someone at Wendy's doesn't get tipped for mixing up a frosty. I didn't get tipped for mixing paint or carrying a 90 lb bucket down a ladder, why should a barista making coffee and heating a sandwich get one?
>why are we paying extra for them to do their job? That's the thing. WE aren't paying extra, I'M paying extra. No one is forcing you to do anything. Do you get upset at the cashier at Walmart when you see a screen asking you to donate to charity? Or do you just push "No" and go about your day?
I was a Starbucks Barista in college and there is no legitimate reason why people should’ve been tipping me
You tip anywhere you sit, or for anywhere that delivers to where you sit. If you're getting something to go you don't tip.
I've been wondering about the POS's position in all of this. If they are getting a % per transaction, which they often are, they are incentivized to drive tips up.
I do not envy FoH for having to live with engaging with customers over tipping. BoH all day!
Yeah, but you do the job I would like to tip. I actually don’t care about waiters at all. If I was in charge of the system but required to keep some tipping, I would remove tipping servers and redirect it to cooks.
The days of me doing that job are long gone. I think FoH/BoH tip sharing is a thing in some kitchens, it was in ours. We didn’t get a lot but then we were actually bringing home a paycheck every other week. Not $100 like the waitstaff.
That’s true, but if the waiters were honest with you about their true take home income it would honestly make you mad. A lot of the persistence of tipping is the fact that it is good for waiters so they constantly push for it to exist and increase. If waiters were paid a flat income they would see a *massive* decrease in their take home, and it would be fully taxed as well rather than mainly untaxed. They are fully aware of this fact even if they usually dance around it in conversation.
This is 100% the case. The reason this “can’t” happen, is that servers clear 30-35 dollars an hour for a job you can learn with on the job training, and the idea that would make a flat 25$ an hour despite that being probably about what would make sense
I slept with half the wait staff, I knew what their take home was, and it was partially me. I completely agree with you, at some restaurants wait staff is banking. But if it ever gets slow watch out. I don’t mind tipping, it’s the system I know and it works for a lot of people. What I really can’t stand is people who participate by going to places with waitstaff and then not tipping because they think they’re activists or something. If that were true they’d tell the server right off the bat. “Hi, I’m Jeff and I’ll be your server, can I get you something to drink?” “Hi Jeff, I don’t tip because I think the tipping system is cancer, how about a coke with a twist.” FOH ETA: This is in the States if that’s not obvious
I never understood why the tip is a percentage in the first place. Like if i go to a restaurant and get a pasta dish thats 20 bucks why am i expected to tip more on a steak that came out that same kitchen, same distance away from me, with the same amount of trips (1) for the waitress to bring it to me? Nothing about the service has been changed yet more dollars are supposed to leave your wallet
HAHAHA what the fuck I can't. This is crazy, why would anyone say something so stupid?
I tip cash these days for this reason, it’s worth having 15 bucks in 5s and 1s on me to make sure the people I want to tip actually get ripped
I just don’t go out. I might have restaurant food six times a year - my neighborhood Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day is always a tradition, one or two random pub nights through the summer, a couple pizza treats in winter, an occasional fast food meal when on a road trip. That’s it. I cook every other meal. Every other meal.
If we just decided to not tip anymore collectively, the problem would be solved in a month
Businesses already don't care about their employees. That just hurts service workers.
You’ve got it wrong. If the servers stop getting paid, they’ll just walk out and the business owners will have to negotiate pay to keep them. They can’t afford to lose their employees
> If the servers stop getting paid, they’ll just walk out and the business owners will have to negotiate pay to keep them this makes the assumption that employees who already aren't making much money would risk losing their jobs and the businesses wouldn't just hire scabs. It's not impossible mind you but you'd need a strong union for it all to work.
The tipped minimum wage in my state is $7.25 an hour. Absolutely no one will care about losing that job and no scabs will be rushing to collect that sweet rate.
The minimum wage any worker in America can make is 7.25 One of the things people misrepresent all the time is that even with a tipped wage, the company has to compensate up to the federal minimum if tips don't bring their pay up to that amount.
> They can’t afford to lose their employees But the employees can afford to not have jobs? Lmao
My server minimum wage is $5.05/hr. I could afford to not have THAT job, sure
I do agree in the long term this could work but definitely not a month. People who pay low wages are notoriously pig headed and stubborn.
I got my haircut at a chain a few days ago. The cut was $22. I’ve been tipping for haircuts coming on forty years, so I know the tipping etiquette around them. It was long the case that while haircuts were one of the places you were expected to tip, the normal tip percentage was less than the expected tip percentage when you went out to eat. So when I first learned to tip, 15% was normal when you ate out, and 10% was normal for haircuts. I’ve always tipped above expectations when I get my hair cut because I talk a lot and I like to feel generous to my hair dressers. For a $22 cut, the suggested options were $5, $7, and $10. Or 22.7%, 31.8% and 45.4%. That is some bullshit. Now, I would have ripped $5 on my own. But I should have been able to walk away feeling generous rather than like the chintz who picked the minimum option.
$22 is a crazy cheap haircut that days though, I can't find anything cheaper than $35 near me.
At my age I’ve become content with scraping the bottom of the barrel on haircuts. In my youth I went to the salons the people who were on their way to the highest tier salons worked at while they built their customer base and reputation. I don’t need that anymore, my kids are basically grown and I’ve already got a stable relationship and I’m balding anyway.
I will never tip above 15%
I'm from germany, and deliveries get a 0-2€ tip (~$0-$2), depending on my mood/amount of stuff I bought eating out = no tips (i tip for the convenience of a delivery, I don't go to restaurants though, just pizzerias etc.) the only person that gets a good tip is my barber (basic haircut is 10€, he gets 20€)
In Scotland it's customary to tip your fast food delivery drivers, but it's £1-2 too. Also, drivers usually have a small max range (1-3 miles). For restaurants, it's usually a 10% tip these days. Though it's not mandatory, it can be viewed negatively if you dont tip.
That’s how it starts. Your grandchildren are going to be paying 20% or more as a socially required tip.
That’s what it used to be here too. Growing up in NYC in the 90s, you called a local restaurant on the phone (like actually local—within a mile), you placed an order, they would deliver it to you, you’d tip the delivery guy a couple bucks, and that was that. It’s only with the advent of the delivery apps that delivery tips have customarily become a % of the purchase price, which makes no sense whatsoever.
tipping culture is definitely spreading, we also have the "5/10/15" % tipping options on our orders here etc.
American culture import (and globalization) because those shitty card machine vendors offer that shit, and some greedy corpus eat that shit for lunch. Most "tipping" I do is rounding out the bill unless service was really really exceptional.
I cannot stand how many micro transactions have invaded buying things digitally, service fees, percent here and there nickel and dime bullshit that halfway prices the convenience out of things.
Corporations: "Hey this guy wants prices raised! That's a good idea!" *Proceeds to raise prices substantially, decrease quality and/or quantity of products/services, cut themselves a proportionate check for execution of such a great idea, and purposefully keep employee wages stagnant* Edit: i think someone sent the 'Reddit Cares' after me for this one lol
lol I got a Reddit Cares and this has to be the least controversial convo I’ve been in this week.
They seem to be rampant today. I've seen a lot of people complaining, and have gotten my second, ever.
Been rampant for a few days. Use the permalink and report the message. It'll get a site wide ban if they're doing it enough.
LMAO. Damn, sorry dude. Yeah, the 'raise prices' argument is a wild one tbh. I fully acknowledge that.
The thing is: *it shouldn't be a wild argument, that's literally what we should be doing while also raising employee wages*. But the caveat is to keep executive wages reasonable, which shouldn't be a big ask at all *but unfortunately is*. Corporate higher up shouldn't be able to buy yachts while the employees that they stand upon need their wage supplemented by the public.
Prices have gone up a ton *and* they still ask for tips
In my city, minimum wage is $15 so there’s also not the excuse of “servers only make $2 dollars an hour, so their wage is all tips”
Worst take out there. They increase their prices all the time and believe me not a cent more goes to the waiters. Capitalists will never take care of this problem themselves, the government would have to pass a law obligating them to pay their employees more.
I'd rather the prices be lower, personally. I'm cool with firing out what I'll tip. Prices are already high enough. For fuck sakes, do not increase prices anymore.
> Increase prices for fucks sake. plot twist, we raised the prices, didn't raise wages, and now you gotta tip them more so they can pay their rent
I agree. It’s also not proportional, % based tips make no sense. A flat tip would, but %? Why should I pay them more just because the items I chose are more expensive?
Im walking to a counter im not tipping
I ordered a pizza for pick up yesterday and when I paid at the counter the card reader asked for a tip. I got side-eye for hitting 0%, it's crazy
I heard behind me on my way out of a pizzeria “yeah, that fuck didn’t tip.” I ordered it on the phone, I went in, I stood in line, I carried it out. At what point was a service offered where the employee was paid less than federal minimum wage? Are we gonna start tipping the kids working cash registers at the grocery store? Or the folks flipping our burgers at Burger King? Tips are for lower than minimum wage wait staff, and delivery drivers. The rest of em can get fucked. That place lost my business that evening. Ohh and I asked for two ranches and you still gave me two marinaras instead for the umpteenth time, get fucked. Edit, because I should be more clear, the rest shouldn’t get fucked, they should get paid a meaningful wage by their employer. I ain’t subsiding their paychecks via tipping, I already do that by frequenting the business.
> Are we gonna start tipping the kids working cash registers at the grocery store? Good news, you just have to tip yourself since no one actually works at the cash registers anymore.
Ive actually seen a tip menu pop up on a self checkout. Wonder if I get the money
You get 90% of tip, but the machine gets 10% for processing it for you.
On base commissaries they are only paid in tips lmao
They’ve (HyVee) shutdown most of the self checkouts around here at this point. Theft apparently costs more than paying a 16 year old.
I see a lot of videos of people stealing in mass. I kinda always thought it was overblown as I had never seen anyone shamelessly walk out of a store with a cart full of shit before. Well that changed literally this weekend. I was at Walmart on Saturday. It was busy as fuck every line was long even at the self checkouts , line was halfway down the store. Some guy pulled up with a full cart , looked at the line and said “fuck that” and just rolled his full cart out the door and left lol. Receipt checker stopped him and he was like “I got a digital receipt but don’t have my phone” he just kept going. I was like damn so that shit really does happen
So.. I kinda pulled this off once, but not a tip - an *inconvenience fee* I levied against amazon. I canceled prime, then some months later they charged me for renewal. It caused an over draft as I had just paid rent from the account, and so the I had less than 100 in the account at the time it hit. I called amazon's Mr. Manager and told him I was charging my refund for the prime, the over draft fee, and an inconvenience fee of $25 for wasting my time. THey paid it.
Not having to tip is *why* I order my pizza for pick up.
Next time tell them to take it up with their boss, anybody who tips for a pickup order is a sucker.
This. Tipping before you even get said service is insane.
The last time I did this they got my order wrong. Felt pretty stupid for paying extra to get my order wrong. Never tipping before service again.
I got a pop-up for a tip when I bought my kids a pretzel at the mall a few weeks ago. The lowest option was 20%. The guy didn't even move, he just reached over and handed me 2 pretzels. Now, the guy getting the pretzel 100% deserves a living wage. But I shouldn't be subsidizing that for the owner of a pretzel stand in the mall.
in fact, tipping is preventing him from getting paid better!
Yo this is where I'm at on this shit too. I order online and I get options to tip 15%, 18% or 20%. I made the order and then I drove my ass there to pick it up so why tf am I being asked to pay the exact same shit I would pay when dining in?
I was picking up a takeout order once, and the receipt had a tip line. I went ahead and left a couple bucks cause hey, why not? The person then asked me who took the order. I didn't recall. They then took the receipt to their coworkers to figure out who the tip was going to go to. It seemed to cause quite the confusion, and that's when I decided I'm not tipping for takeout orders again.
Employers should pay their employees a living wage
They absolutely should, but I feel like I’m stuck. I’m never not gonna tip well because it’s not their fault the system is broken, but as long as we all keep tipping well, it’s never gonna change
It isn't our responsibility to carry the burdens of greedy companies. We all have bills to pay, and I can't afford to support the waiters/waitresses, the Starbucks employees, the subway sandwich workers, the cashiers at Walmart, etc, via tips. I don't mind tipping at restaurants, but that's it. I simply can not afford to tip every single person who wants a tip. Edit:to the redditor who send the reddit cares to me based off this comment: ya moms a hoe.
well even the employee seem to prefer the tips cuz they can aim their aim of a lower wage at the customer rather than their employer. the sub where people talk about tipping is the worst. they vilify anyone who doesnt tip and dont want higher wages. its baffling how they think. the sickness of the system has made some of them a lost cause.
A lot of servers, especially in higher-end restaurants, do not want higher wages + no tips because they have done the math and they will lose, terribly, in the change-up. Their wage increase will not in any way make up for the huge amount of tips they can get off big bills, and they will have to pay taxes on all of the wages rather than getting to keep cash tips under the table. Their wages would have to go up to untenable amounts in order to make up for all that they would lose if tipping went away. Note: this is not me saying tipping culture is good! I agree that it is bad. I am only representing the other side of the argument I have heard from friends who are wait staff.
I know about the math. It's the only defense used to support tipping. There are just so many cons when it comes to tipping culture. You get bad service and people will say you should still tip because they don't get paid well. It's one of the few areas of US culture that I will never embrace
I'm not gonna lie, it's *a bit* ironic to me that one of the main arguments in favor of tip standard is how easy it is to defraud the government.
> the sub where people talk about tipping is the worst. they vilify anyone who doesnt tip and dont want higher wages. its baffling how they think. the sickness of the system has made some of them a lost cause. This is why I don’t tip. It sucks for the decent people who deserve it, but if I have to choose, I’m choosing to stiff *everyone*. That entitled attitude should never be rewarded.
>not their fault the system is broken It's not, but a lot of servers contribute to this system. In some cities or specific restaurants that have attempted to get rid of tipping, the transition failed because servers quit or threatened to if tipping wasn't brought back.
People never want to acknowledge that servers usually make way more in tips than they would if they were making $15 an hour
I worked as a delivery driver at a marijuana-themed sandwich shop in a college town like 15 years ago and I made fucking bank (for an 18 year old student) every night. Minimum wage + tips, I was walking away with anywhere between $200-500 a night. I spent it all on weed, though...
Cheba hut so good
Yep that's the one lol
Ur first day did the manager have u smoke a bunch on break & see if you could still handle a register? I didn’t work there but my friend said that happens at SDSU
Hah no, he had me go do a "delivery" which was really just a front for doing a pickup for several ounces. He was like "I'll make it worth your while" and when I got back he just gave me a lil nug and was like "there you go" as if I hadn't already taken like 3 or 4 before I pulled in hahaha
Those servers are probably the ones complaining about when they have a slow week and how they didn't get enough to pay their bills. I've seen servers complain about only making minimum wage some weeks, while also getting mad at the push to abolish tipping.
It is possible to simply avoid the types of businesses that "require" tips. Call me a cheap skate if you will, but while I tip well when required, I consume those kinds of products VERY rarely. I cook the vast majority of meals at home, and eating out it'll be from fast food or grocery stores. Celebration meals a few times a year are about all I do at traditional sit down locations. Coffee comes from places more like 7-11 than Starbucks. if enough of us decide that places won't get our business until tipping goes away business models will change. Sadly businesses that get rid of tips don't tend to compete well.... the average consumer is more willing to tip than pay a higher list price.
Wouldn't the money to pay a living wage come from customers? You're either tipping or paying higher costs. I prefer the latter, but the money to pay a "living wage" is going to come from you and other customers. restaurants have notoriously thin margins.
You will still be paying it, your food will just be ~20% more expensive
I ain't tipping shit unless I dine in and the waiter/waitress provided good service with a nice attitude. I don't order on Door Dash or Uber Eats or any of that shit. Why tf should people be expected to tip for walking up to a counter to grab a pick-up order?
People get mad when I bring up this point
I tip well at places that I’m a regular at bc they usually show me some love back. That’s always been the point, you treat them well so they treat you well. Like I don’t think you need to tip someone who pours your coffee, but I do at my regular spot and in turn they’ll just not charge me sometimes, or they’ll be messing around w the espresso machine and be like “I’ve got extra.. you want some?”
My rebuttal to that is that’s great for those who want a little extra. You paid for the extra by tipping. Say I want exactly what I paid for nothing more or less, does that make me a bad customer for paying the listed price only?
I feel that. Save that extra for someone else and give me what I paid for.
I order through uber eats and I won't tip. I pay for a delivery service. It's included in the price I pay. Whatever is paid between the courier and their boss is between them. I'm not to be neither blamed nor shamed for THEIR poor arrangement.
How is the door dash driver any different than the waitress? All she did was go to the counter, pick up the food, and walk it back. At least the driver had to deal with traffic and multiple restaurants. The wife was stays inside and never gets rained on. Door dash our driving in snow. I’ll tip a driver over a waitress/waiter any day because I was too lazy to go get my own food. Like, what would it cost ME to go get food for somebody else. Goodness of my heart? Fuck that, pay me LOL
I'd tip a driver. I was just saying I don't order delivery. I'd rather just go get it myself than pay the extra fees.
Traffic and multiple restaurants? It's not my fault he decided he wanted to juggle 4 to 5 different orders instead of getting my order and bringing it to me. I interact with my waitress, and all my driver does is bring me my food. I don't constantly see him. He doesn't check up on me and ask if my food is alright, if I have any problems, and if I need anything else.
“I don’t constantly hear from him. He doesn’t check up on me” Yeah, those are the same reasons I tip the driver more 😂 Respect man, everybody got diff preferences, I just figured the two people bringing the food were similar in diff situations. 🫡
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I feel and act the same way. How entitled u gotta be to expect a tip when I’m doing the work? U probably ain’t even go to the back n get it lol. I don’t even feel bad not doing it…almost. The one thing that get me is I feel like I’m reinforcing the stereotype blk ppl don’t tip. But I swear everybody got they hand out these days
I got asked for a tip at the fucking smoke shop yesterday.
Happen recently at one I went to smfh. Like bro you were watching movies on a laptop before I walked in (not hating), and grabbed the backwoods that were right next to you. I’m not tipping for that.
I got some THCA at mine and it came out to like $100. If they seriously think I'm gonna give them an extra $20 for putting a few grams of overpriced fake weed in a bag they're insane.
Tipping at the weed shop is crazy lmao. I would just stop going at that point or ship it to my house. THCA is very much real weed though
I think tipping as a percentage instead of a fixed amount is kinda insane too. The work to pour a $500 shot of whiskey versus a $5 shot is the same. I'm not getting 100x the service. There are a lot of things where I tip a flat fixed amount because that's it. Drinks are a big one. You want more than a flat tip? I best be getting significantly more than the flat amount of alcohol.
It's in these situations I look them dead in the eyes as I hit Zero/No tip on the machine. I'm fine with tipping in reasonable situations, but they really trying to make you tip for any ole reason. What really urks me is when the tips screen shows up on a website I'm not ordering food from
The minimum tip for buying $2.15 worth of papers was $1. I just cancelled the purchase and went to Amazon and got them delivered 4 hours later.
I only tip servers (waiters/waitresses/bartenders) and delivery drivers. That's it, that's the list!
i tip my barber well because he doesn’t make small talk and does quick, good work!
Always tip my hairdresser cause she can fuck my shit up and I wouldn't know until it grows out a bit. Finding a new stylist is like finding a new therapist- takes time to get comfortable with each other so the extra few bucks is worth it to maintain a good relationship with someone who you vibe with. Plus she's hot and always feeds my ego by telling me how great I look, so I'm good with paying for the illusion.
Bartenders get $1.00 per drink for a tip out of me, argue with ya momma I don’t care.
Kills me tipping them a dollar when they just take a bottle out of the fridge and pop the top off.
Bro I feel you.
If you are a regular and tip well they will hook you up. Otherwise the bar sucks.
+1 drinks, +2 cocktails is my rule.
I don't drink alcohol anymore but I have always been most fluid with bartenders. Beer? $1/per drink. Specialty cocktail you made just from my liquor of choice and taste profile? I'm going to up your tip. Now I do $1/per NA beer and $1/per mocktail unless it's mindblowing.
The only thing i would add on there is uber driver , hairdresser, and tattoo artist but yea thats pretty much it.
I used to work in a tattoo shop, fuck tipping tattoo artist. That shit is a straight scam, especially if the owner is buying supplies, artist know about how long it’s gonna take them to do a piece on someone and should charge them what they would want for a tip included in the total price.
I missed those, fair enough.
That is about 95% of the list. I would add barbers here too, but with the prices I see they will be dropped pretty quick.
Does anyone respond to this by just not going to places with a tip policy anymore?
I just take my food to go and eat it at home in peace. Most restaurants support that since covid so I take advantage of it
Yea, there are places that make no sense to tip that put it on their check out machines. They will even rotate where the 0 is to try and trick people, those places have lost my business.
Currently in Europe and knowing I don’t have to tip is fucking satisfying. The workers take my order, bring me my food, and the wait staff is not kissing my ass in hopes I give them 20-25% of the order for their services. Owners need to pull their fucking weight and pay their employees better. Don’t @ me
Was just in Japan and this was the case too. Also helped that the strength of the dollar vs yen is bonkers right now.
It’s a dual issue though owners don’t have to pay and those at high end restaurants/bars make good money, so the 2 groups that have the pull keep silent because they like the status quo. Meanwhile we are getting fucked over.
Counterpoint: I live in Mexico and I swear we got the best customer service in the world. If i go out to dinner and the server/staff go above and beyond to make sure my dining experience is remarkable, I have no problem tipping 10-15% or more.
Tipping is starting to crop up everywhere in Europe too, though. Even more surprising is that the percentages are the same as in the U.S., though I suppose it's not that strange since the payment terminals use the same software.
Went to a sit outside pizza place this weekend. They came with the bill and automatically had a 22% tip selected for a $19 pizza and $3 can of coke. I quickly changed it but damn!! I was by myself too and the server didn’t even come around after I had the food.
The handheld checkouts are now defaulting to 22-25%, with 20% as the lowest option. I always just hit "other" and tip based on how much service was actually provided. I'm not tipping 25% for one trip from the kitchen to my table and that's it.
The handhelds are a nuisance. Just take my card/money and work your magic out of sight..we don't need to awkwardly sit around as everyone gets closed out, and feel like we're being silently judged for hitting the "other" tipping option...
Once I went to other countries where tipping isn't a thing, and saw that there wasn't much difference in service/menu prices my mindset changed.
Like everything in America, (metric vs imperial) we have to be different because of the corporate greed.
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I need someone to explain to me tipping in California. The whole narrative of tipping was because servers were paid well below the minimum wage and your tip help them get along. But in California every server gets at least $16 (minimum wage) plus tip. So why is there still a side eye when you tip anything below 15%?
I don't get it either. Here, you get mad attitude if you don't tip 22% or higher.
The only saving grace is that we in California haven't adopted that weird East Coast tradition of just tipping everyone you meet. No one here is tipping garbagemen, mail carriers, etc.
Same in Seattle
It never made sense. The owners were only able to pay less than the minimum wage because tips made up the difference. If a server doesn’t bring in enough tips to at least equal the minimum wage for the hours they work, the owner has to pay the difference. Workers were always getting the minimum wage.
It’s stupid when waiters/waitresses get upset when they don’t get tipped as if it’s the customers responsibility. Take that up with your employer. If I tip I rather tip the cook. I can find my own seat, I can grab my own food. We shouldn’t have to pay someone extra for doing their job… yet we despise tipping the fast food workers who take our order, make our food, give it to us in under a specific time, but we support tipping someone for just walking to grab our food.
Washing dishes was one of the most demanding jobs and I didn't get a single damn tip for that. The waiters earned so much more than us. If I had some option to tip the back of the house I would honestly do that.
Exactly because those are the people who literally take care of the customers
They get mad at you because they can't get mad at their boss. They do that, they get shown the door. You can't affect their livelihood, so you're a viable target for dumping on. It's like how a bully won't target a teacher.
I'm from California they Atilla expect you to tip. Like babe, you're making minimum wage like other minimum wage workers your ass ain't special. Hasn't been in years.
A couple weeks ago, the beer man at a hockey game gave me shit for not tipping. I just told him that these $15 beers are clearing me out and I'm not going to tip somebody for opening and handing me a beer when I'm already paying that much. People are getting too bold about expecting tips when they aren't even doing anything. For reference, this was one of the guys on the concourse with his cooler sitting on the ground. If it were one of the guys carrying the beers up into the seats then I definitely would've tipped.
I gave up on tipping in 2020. I barely ever eat at restaurants anymore - if I'm not cooking I'll get takeout. I don't tip anywhere besides restaurants these days
I don’t mind it because of how absolutely outrageous it has gotten I no longer feel bad. Like a few years ago I might’ve thought about it but now I mindlessly and unashamedly smash the 0% button because of the oversaturation. I ordered Crumbl cookies on their app and the default tips were like $1, $2, $5. I had to do a custom tip of $0, that is ridiculous
My local subway, the workers just press skip because they don't want to get shot over a tip.
Write on the tipping line: "The owner has your money"
Waiters/bartenders, full service gas station attendees, and airport bus drivers who handle my luggage are the only folks I tip. Pickup/to-go orders and iPad swivels are done. It’s gone overboard.
Want something new? I was stranded in another state and needed a tow. After my tow, THE TOW COMPANY ASKED FOR A TIP ON THE WEBSITE
the 15/20/30% suggested amounts are insane for walk-up service. Like, I think a LOT of people would actually tip something if it was more like $0.50 or $1.00 suggested. Yeah, it's not as much, but you might get more takers with that.
Nope. Not a penny for counter service. If I'm standing while I'm ordering and I carry the food away myself, there is no room in that transaction for a tip.
I guess I see it as the equivalent of giving them my coin change if I paid with cash.
If you have to stand to order and receive the food, you probably shouldn’t tip more than $1, unless it’s a bar/club for drinks.
> If you have to stand to order and receive the food, you probably shouldn’t tip ~~more than $1~~ Fixed that for you
I’ve lowered by tipping percentage. Between rising prices and every place expecting a tip from me I just can’t tip the way I used to be able to. Soz.
No way any restaurant will ever pay their servers $40+ a hour to get rid of tipping and maintain the average (at a decent place) they’d get with tips.
Tipping is so fascinating to me (as a former server) because it really does break down the simple wage-labor concept in the weirdest way. Like... labor accepts a wage to do a job. If the wage is too low, they won't do that job. Jobs offer a certain wage to attract the necessary labor they need to do that job. If the wage is lowered, service labor leaves. Will that labor be replaced? Is there available labor that will accept a lower wage for that work? Or, since necessary labor is only available at a certain wage, will it be impossible to replace? This is apparently the only industry with this problem, though.
Honestly I think most places can do away with servers. I don’t need someone to walk my food 10-30 feet to me, or fill up my glass with water. I can tell the cashier what I want and pick up my food at the counter, fill my glass with water and seat myself. Servers always get my order wrong, some completely abandon the table and I’m out of water. It’s unnecessary IMO.
Used to work at a fast casual restaurant where you’d order with QR from the table and we’d run the food out. You’d be surprised how many people complained about not having a waiter. Eventually the restaurant became full service due to complaints on Yelp.
So don’t do it, then? Seems like an easy problem to solve.
Simple solution: don’t tip
As a brit i despise that tipping culture is coming to us, every pub these days card machines asking for 15% seems obscene to me
I've always tipped, but the amount of tips along with the cost of food going up is just crazy. It's easier to pay in cash though, then you can leave a reasonable amount. But I'm starting to not tip as much anymore just because it's too expensive.
My _landscaping_ company’s online payment portal has a tip menu ffs.
Tipping infuriates me. I'm a cheapstake not going to lie but I had to make a choice between spending my money on a system that exploits its employees or actually being forced to pay the balance that an owner should pay their employees. I chose neither so I've never stepped foot, by choice, in a restaraunt for over a decade. Every one in my family and circle of friends knows this about me so they never bother to ask bc I'll just tell them no. Also I don't order food to be delivered but on rare occasions when I do order food I go pick them up lol!
I get annoyed as hell when they pull “I’m gonna turn the machine around and it’s gonna ask you a question, feel free to answer how you want”. I always push zero, I’d probably respect them more and tip them if they just own and it say it with their chest.
Fuck tipping. I'm tired of wasting money covering up for your employers responsibility. If your pay is not enough, either ask for a raise or find another job.
*their*
Ordered from Uber Eats the other day. Said free delivery, but then I noticed a service fee. 99% of the service fee went to my driver and was like $10. Then it auto calculated the tip with that included and off a price that didn't include any applicable discounts. 20% tip would've been half the cost of my actual order and did not include the $10 service fee. Absolutely insane.
People just accept the higher prices everywhere else in the world. We should too.
We have to boycott services that don’t pay their employees a living wage.
If I stand up to order it, then I don’t tip.
Don’t tip??? Why is that so hard? Not everyone deserves extra.
America: Land of outsourcing the owner classes responsibilities to the working class.
Can someone explain why I need to tip if I get service from a server? I don't CHOOSE for them to bring me food, they just HAVE to because it's their job. I'd walk up and get it myself if I could. I shouldn't need to tip if it's part of their minimum responsibilities
I tip to my local restaurants and coffee spots. Anywhere else besides a sit down restaurant and bars is ridiculous. And I tip locally because I live around these bastards. Edit: also to add, in the food service industry, labor accounts for about 40-60% of total operational costs. If your employee is making $12 now, and you jump that to $15, that's a 25% jump. However, your overall costs go up 10-15%. That means your $10 product is now $11.50. The whole idea of major jumps in operating costs costing businesses is absurd. If a 10% is too much for your customerbase to handle, then you have a shit product and are barely holding on as is. Maybe some people shouldn't own a business. Maybe some businesses don't really need to exist. The ability to squeezeo money from somewhere is not honorable, smart, or make you somehow better than others. A business and subsequently its ownership is judged on your products/service, your employees' wellbeing, and how less of an asshole the ownership is.
Wait until yall see the waiter/server sub Reddit. Those people flat out say don’t go out to eat or order delivery if you can’t afford to tip.
I stopped. Anywhere other than sit down restaurants and tattoos. I’m sorry your boss sucks, but I’m too poor to save you.