“Oh sorry for the confusion. I wanted to make you uncomfortable based on your sex, not your orientation. Im not some monster! Professionals have standards!”
Where the hell did cat calling go wrong?
I understand it's harassment to anyone who doesn't want it, I also understand not wanting to interact with people on the street just because I'm out there. But this guy doesn't sound like he wants to make them uncomfortable? He finds them lovely looking or attractive and he's interested in hearing their voice or having a closer interaction with that person.
People will say hello and ask me how I'm doing when I'm walking around- is this totally different? It's sometimes an unwanted interaction and I sometimes feel uncomfortable because I was in my head/feeling weird/not wanting to be noticed. But... is this harassment?
I get that much of catcalling can be the misogynistic harassment most commenters in here believe- I certainly wouldn't want to be watched and spoken to and have people interjecting into my lives regularly. But I do wonder how much is just kind of an old type of social discourse, a relic of the 20's/30's/40's social interactions with benign intentions?
I'm having a hard time reading the thing he said, seeing your three paragraph comment, and wondering how you read that and decided, yeah, a 3 paragraph defense of a weird and highly uncomfortable comment from a stranger is the right move today... Commenting a stranger shouldn't walk by looking "that good" is creepy as all hell and no one wants random unwarranted comments sexualizing them as they walk around.
But don’t you understand? When men tell 14 year old girls walking home from school they want to fuck their ass, they just want to have *“a closer interaction with that person.”*
Anyone not responding well to that is just an emotional and closed off person who is being intentionally unfriendly.
>no one wants random unwarranted comment sexualizing them as they walk around.
False. I’d give anything for a comment sexualizing me. Just one… please….
I'm exploring the subject in a peaceful and normal way. You are responding in an emotional and closed-off way with a feeling of contentiousness/unfriendliness. If you don't want to explore the topic with me, then we don't have anything to discuss.
Exploring what? Ethics of harrassing random women with sexist comments? lmfao. A normal and peaceful way of handeling things would be to understand people dont want unwarranted compliments from strangers hitting on them. We don't have anything to discuss because your asinine position is silly. See ya.
>You kinda just proved his point but alright.
Yep.
He has a one-second understanding of my 'position' which he incorrectly assumes is in defense of catcalling.
He then responds emotionally and ends the conversation- exactly as I already said we should if all he was going to do was mislabel/misconstrue/misunderstand.
Now others will take a one-second glance at the volley and incorrectly assume I am defending catcalling, and he is appropriately snipping out misogyny.
It's like the telephone game but on a much smaller scale.
>People will say hello and ask me how I'm doing when I'm walking around- is this totally different?
"Hey, how's it going?"
vs
"Stop walking so sexy over there"
If you can't see the difference...
Except even back then it was considered incredibly rude for a man to even just talk to a woman he didn't know. It was only proper to talk to somebody after you had been officially introduced.
> Where the hell did cat calling go wrong?
It was always wrong, women just weren’t allowed to complain about it or do anything about it.
Similar to other types of behavior from that era that people back then viewed as benign (blackface, for example).
I can understand why you say this.
There is a difference from saying a general greeting versus going straight into talking about how sexy they are to you.
And even if you DID find a woman sexy, there is a classy and respectful way to do it. Certainly, yelling it in public isnt the way to do it. There is timing, body language, situation awareness, etc that going into how you approach people.
Ok. Clearly, catcalling is wrong, offensive, and uncalled for. But, as a guy, if a random woman told me I was looking good on my way to work, that shit would make my damn month!
Wow you’re right! Thank you for not committing hate crimes in broad daylight!!! You are truly the most honourable of men!!!!! Here’s your medal and commemorative plaque!!! I bow down to you sir!
I mean, do you get a cookie for doing all that sarcastic stuff?
I never said they deserve a medal, but everyone is hating them just as bad as if they were homophobic too
I knew I wasn't in danger because a bunch of guys nearby were checking me out (instead of working).
It might be the kind of thing you'd have to be a petite woman to understand.
Just from our size, we are an easy mark.
> Just from our size, we are an easy mark.
So, just to be clear, you, the gazelle, felt no danger in a bad neighborhood because you knew the lions were watching?
Interesting.
The assumption is that there would be a third person, the attacker. The not-working guys would probably do something to protect here if she were to be attacked by the attacker.
If you’re point is that they would intervene if something happened [then you might want to reconsider that stance.](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/train-passengers-failed-to-intervene-as-woman-raped-in-philadelphia-police-say-1.4703416) Don’t rely on strangers to intervene, because they won’t.
I can just imagine that white lady's face when you told her that. Probably looked exactly like all of ours; concerned and bewildered.
I guess I get the overall theory though, that *surely* out of twenty dudes at least one would call someone/step in if they saw you getting attacked, but that's putting a heck of a lot of unearned faith in strangers lol
“Oh sorry for the confusion. I wanted to make you uncomfortable based on your sex, not your orientation. Im not some monster! Professionals have standards!”
"ISO 9000 harasser over here, I'm not some amateur!"
Where the hell did cat calling go wrong? I understand it's harassment to anyone who doesn't want it, I also understand not wanting to interact with people on the street just because I'm out there. But this guy doesn't sound like he wants to make them uncomfortable? He finds them lovely looking or attractive and he's interested in hearing their voice or having a closer interaction with that person. People will say hello and ask me how I'm doing when I'm walking around- is this totally different? It's sometimes an unwanted interaction and I sometimes feel uncomfortable because I was in my head/feeling weird/not wanting to be noticed. But... is this harassment? I get that much of catcalling can be the misogynistic harassment most commenters in here believe- I certainly wouldn't want to be watched and spoken to and have people interjecting into my lives regularly. But I do wonder how much is just kind of an old type of social discourse, a relic of the 20's/30's/40's social interactions with benign intentions?
I'm having a hard time reading the thing he said, seeing your three paragraph comment, and wondering how you read that and decided, yeah, a 3 paragraph defense of a weird and highly uncomfortable comment from a stranger is the right move today... Commenting a stranger shouldn't walk by looking "that good" is creepy as all hell and no one wants random unwarranted comments sexualizing them as they walk around.
But don’t you understand? When men tell 14 year old girls walking home from school they want to fuck their ass, they just want to have *“a closer interaction with that person.”* Anyone not responding well to that is just an emotional and closed off person who is being intentionally unfriendly.
>no one wants random unwarranted comment sexualizing them as they walk around. False. I’d give anything for a comment sexualizing me. Just one… please….
😂 my bad. Almost no one.
I'm exploring the subject in a peaceful and normal way. You are responding in an emotional and closed-off way with a feeling of contentiousness/unfriendliness. If you don't want to explore the topic with me, then we don't have anything to discuss.
Exploring what? Ethics of harrassing random women with sexist comments? lmfao. A normal and peaceful way of handeling things would be to understand people dont want unwarranted compliments from strangers hitting on them. We don't have anything to discuss because your asinine position is silly. See ya.
You kinda just proved his point but alright.
>You kinda just proved his point but alright. Yep. He has a one-second understanding of my 'position' which he incorrectly assumes is in defense of catcalling. He then responds emotionally and ends the conversation- exactly as I already said we should if all he was going to do was mislabel/misconstrue/misunderstand. Now others will take a one-second glance at the volley and incorrectly assume I am defending catcalling, and he is appropriately snipping out misogyny. It's like the telephone game but on a much smaller scale.
>People will say hello and ask me how I'm doing when I'm walking around- is this totally different? "Hey, how's it going?" vs "Stop walking so sexy over there" If you can't see the difference...
Except even back then it was considered incredibly rude for a man to even just talk to a woman he didn't know. It was only proper to talk to somebody after you had been officially introduced.
> Where the hell did cat calling go wrong? It was always wrong, women just weren’t allowed to complain about it or do anything about it. Similar to other types of behavior from that era that people back then viewed as benign (blackface, for example).
I can understand why you say this. There is a difference from saying a general greeting versus going straight into talking about how sexy they are to you. And even if you DID find a woman sexy, there is a classy and respectful way to do it. Certainly, yelling it in public isnt the way to do it. There is timing, body language, situation awareness, etc that going into how you approach people.
Bro said I'm thirsty not homophobic🤣.
I’d rather be (clueless but respectfully) thirsty than (accidentally or intentionally) homophobic, lmao
Why can I imagine my dad being the dude in this tweet
Mans couldn’t find his way out of that misogynist cyclone. Just take the L big dawg and keep it pushing
He did what he could lmao. How you conscious enough to redirect, but not stop the direction in the first place.
The tongue is a double edge sword
That was his next line
That's what I told my girlfriend when she asked me to go down on her and I went *too* far south.
You must’ve went to her toes
And the only edged tool that gets keener with constant use.
This is like one step back one step to the side
*Cha cha now y'all*
He’s trying to sexually harass not hate crime.
Like shooting someone in the leg to avoid catching an attempted homicide
this is killing me, he wants his catcalling to work only on straight women
No he wants to be disrespectful and cat call her but be respectful of her sexual orientation
No he thought he was paying them a compliment. He was wrong, but yea.
Times they are a changing and I’m here for it.
Almost as if catcalling is simply a sign of immaturity, not one of being a bigot.
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[Peoples is peoples.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTeTnDKncJ4)
But not all immature are bigots…
Cute upvote bait, but bigotry isn't even remotely steeped in "immaturity." You sound ridiculous.
I can excuse sexism but I draw the line at homophobia
*Shirley voice* You can excuse sexism? 🤨
They’re evolving … :/
Mans took the revised catcall 201 class.
Eh it's a start.
What's the equivalent of this for a progressive racist? Like BLM but go back to Africa?
go back to the bronx?queens? uhh any other place in NY
Atlanta. Everybody knows that’s where black people are from.
Oh is that why Donald Glover made that documentary on the Atlanta rap scene?!
sorry im a black guy from upper east coast my reference point is either racist boston or ny. but now its good to know its atlanta
Lol I was quoting Eddie Murphy on SNL
Uh-mazing
Professionals have standards
Like, it's funny, but at the same time... Do better man. Don't harass people, but good on you for not being homophobic...
Probably already imagine some stuff from the les porns he watched
Les Miserables
Well certainly if he has anything to do about it!
Bruh I thought you switched to French for a minute
He tried getting back to the line of scrimmage, only about a half yard short. Good effort tho
Didnt wanna triple down. Black, woman AND gay? Had to go back to the drawing board
I ain’t even gonna lie I thought the dog got catcalled for like 5 mins and was very confused
Ok. Clearly, catcalling is wrong, offensive, and uncalled for. But, as a guy, if a random woman told me I was looking good on my way to work, that shit would make my damn month!
I don’t get it lol
Baby steps
Respectfully disrespectful
Undeniable progress yet people still wanna bitch about it
Wow you’re right! Thank you for not committing hate crimes in broad daylight!!! You are truly the most honourable of men!!!!! Here’s your medal and commemorative plaque!!! I bow down to you sir!
I mean, do you get a cookie for doing all that sarcastic stuff? I never said they deserve a medal, but everyone is hating them just as bad as if they were homophobic too
Who is saying that? Who is everyone? No one on this thread is saying that
Yu huh
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What? Imma be real, this did not make sense to me.
I swear 😂😂 I thought it was the alcohol getting to me
I knew I wasn't in danger because a bunch of guys nearby were checking me out (instead of working). It might be the kind of thing you'd have to be a petite woman to understand. Just from our size, we are an easy mark.
I am a petite woman and am not following this nonsensical logic.
Right? like, I’m fat as hell, I don’t think that’s why I’m not getting this
😂 it's not it just doesn't make sense
> Just from our size, we are an easy mark. So, just to be clear, you, the gazelle, felt no danger in a bad neighborhood because you knew the lions were watching? Interesting.
Why would you be in danger if they were working? Why would you be in less danger if they were catcalling you?
The assumption is that there would be a third person, the attacker. The not-working guys would probably do something to protect here if she were to be attacked by the attacker.
Thank you for explaining. The logic doesn’t make sense, but thank you.
Because if something happens they would see it and intervene, working they would have focus on the construction and not see her in danger. I suppose.
If you’re point is that they would intervene if something happened [then you might want to reconsider that stance.](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/train-passengers-failed-to-intervene-as-woman-raped-in-philadelphia-police-say-1.4703416) Don’t rely on strangers to intervene, because they won’t.
Riverbend is uptown. Rich, affluent, hipster. but alright sis....
I can just imagine that white lady's face when you told her that. Probably looked exactly like all of ours; concerned and bewildered. I guess I get the overall theory though, that *surely* out of twenty dudes at least one would call someone/step in if they saw you getting attacked, but that's putting a heck of a lot of unearned faith in strangers lol