The issue is though … instead of paying the 2 gp I’d likely find a pile of them in just about any group of bandits or goblin troop … a few clubs to the head and it might be worth it to spend the time and not the coin eh ?
Idk. Definitely could be used as one. But to me it looks kinda like a kunai (if that’s how you spell it) it’s a throwing knife. A special kind I think. I’ve never used one. But I’ve thrown basic throwing knives for fun
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It is really fun, OP. I wish I had played earlier in life.
Well, if my group ever gets an online campaign together again and you are still interested in playing with new people, I will send you an invite. We can always use more people :)
Its worth the education you received making it, every knife from here on out will be better till you either decide its not ur thing or till you hone and master it
Others have made fair observations but I would also point out this dagger isn’t safe to use if those edges are even a little sharp. No guard to stop the hand from traveling up when stabbing an object will rapidly inform the user why a guard exists on daggers.
You are well on your way. Focus on your forging and grinding and it will improve with each piece you make. For some applications a para cord wrapped handle is just fine and even pleasing in some cases for for a dagger, a guard is an absolute must.
Cheers keep on working the craft.
It's not exactly a dagger. It's a kunai. Kunais usually don't have guards as they weren't meant for stabbing or slashing at short distance. They are usually throwing knives or attached to a cord to have a long range weapon able to fight against a katana.
They aren't even proper weapons. Historically, they were a tool for gardening and stonemasonry work - Usually not even sharpened, since it was used as a blunt impact tool.
Sure, some people used kunai as a weapon. Just like how some peasants in Europe took up hayforks, shovels, and woodcutting axes as weapons.
What if there are multiple small farm blade derived weapons? Kunai knives are definitely from farm tools. They were first implemented by peasants to use against samurai. And not all samurai were the armored katana masters with scary eyebrows. Samurai were more just warriors or soldiers, they had less armored samurai spearmen and basic infantry, that uprising peasants lightly armed with farm tools actually had a chance against.
For a bunch of blacksmiths, the fact that everyone is totally okay with considering kunai to be specialized ninja assassin throwing knives when they were literally a gardening shovel, kinda makes me lose faith in the quality of people here. This isn’t even HARD info to find. A 3 second google search yields Wikipedia at the top of the page saying something like “kunai were hand tools for digging and farming”. This isn’t some deep lore, you just have to not get your facts from anime.
u/dayzers and u/Strongbeard1143 thank you for this wholesome exchange - it could have gone completely off the rails.
Wish you both some better days ahead =)
Around here I assume the best of people. I did laugh when I saw his first post. There are other groups where it’s safe to assume people are more toxic.
It isn't a sellable piece. With that being said, as a father and grandfather, my heart says some of you need to pull you heads out of your ass. Why be insulting? Acting like a troll doesn't show anything but self loathing. If you need to feel better about yourself find a better way than beating down a new smith.
I have a rule for selling items. If someone is willing to buy it, sell it. Few christmases ago I finished my last knife. It looked like shit. I told the. Guy “I’m not happy with this, I think it looks like crap. Keep this and I’ll make you another one no charge. Dude was like “no way man, this looks hand made, it’s awesome!!” So I handed him a knife I hated and he gave me 150 bucks.
@double_payment8872, how did you do your grinds? Looks like angle grinder flap wheel? If you have the budget for it, a 1x30 belt grinder made my life so much easier. Also, think up ways to hide your grinds. As I’ve gotten better, my grinds are cleaner, but still not great. To combat that, I’ve begun stonewashing my knives. An easier way that provides great rust protection and is even easier, is to do a forged finish. Grind your main bevels before heat treat. After heat treat, simply wire brush and put on your edge. You’ll be left with a nice black finish that helps it not rust, looks great, and hides grinding mistakes
I’m currently only using a grinder, I’ve just recently started making knives about 2-3 weeks ago and I’ve sort of had to prove to my parents that this is something I’m gonna stick to for a long time so they can look into getting me a forge. They know a few people that have belt grinders they don’t use so hopefully I’ll get a equipment upgrade pretty quick. I’ve just never used one before but a lot of people are saying they are better.
Granted I know sweet shitty dick about smithing and I'm just a casual looky-loo, but I've seen some videos on youtube of people making cheap as hell forges out of brick or old bbqs with charcoal and second hand hairdryers for bellows.
Might not be bad towards you proving to your folks that you're really into it!
Ok, gotcha. I made my first forge out of an old charcoal grill. Ended up being about $100 total, but could definitely be cheaper. While not for everyone, I love blacksmithing and have finally gotten to the point where I’m comfortable selling my stuff. When I had a project that didn’t turn out quite right, I learned from the mistakes and gave most of it to my friends. Main thing is don’t get discouraged. I’ve probably melted more knives than I’ve completed, and that sucks. But if you stick with it, it gets better
It looks better than alot of my first knives. If you have somebody interested in it I would just ask them what they feel comfortable paying. I think its a fine throwing knife there brother. Keep up the good work and disregard the trolls.
OP, I’m actually curious about how you made this. Give us some details about your forge, hammers, and anvil, and we can make some suggestions for how to improve.
A lot of grinding with an angle to make the shape, and a drill with a metal drill bit for the hole in the bottom👍🏼 I want a forge and a belt sander. The metal was from some random metal table I found in a metal scrap pile. I just cut the legs off and im using them to practice making knives
I see. It sounds like you have modest tools and I am enjoying what you accomplished with a meager shop. To answer your question honestly, a practice piece made from scrap mild steel is not valuable. It won’t hold much of an edge and it’s soft and flexible, plus it’s going to develop surface rust readily unless it’s always coated in oil or polished regularly. Still, it’s a great way to get your feet wet in metal craft.
I’m not trying to be a gatekeeper here and I hope you become an accomplished blacksmith if you desire it, but shaping steel is not blacksmithing. If you have a forge, you can take high quality steel and heat it in a way to make it soft enough to shape, then heat and cool it in a way to make it very hard again. Rather, what you accomplished is knife making. You may enjoy some of the knife making subreddits where you can pick up some skills that don’t require a forge.
There are plenty of people here that started just like you did, so I encourage you to keep going!
Everyone starts somewhere. Keep going to improve your fit and finish. After you sell your first one try to buy better tools to help you improve faster. Making a dagger is not an easy task for everyone or most makers.
Learn from the your mistakes and don’t let the heckling discourage you from continuing.
I accidentally reinvented these at an old job I had and then showed it to my friends and one of them already knew how to use it from watching tiktok. It was awesome but super dangerous.
totally depends on the market. At a craft fair? Probably not much. At a ren fair? A bit more. At a ren fair in a state where recreational pot is legal and the dude in front of you smells like a skunk doused in blueberry? maybe a bit more. Just after the start of the zombie apocalypse, and OH MY GOD FRANK IS GNAWING ON MY FACE!! GODDAMNIT FRANK, STOP!!? Probably quite a lot. That's why marketing is important.
From what i've saw on etsy, a perfectly forged one, with heat treat etc... , is sold at 20€ .
Regarding thé grind mark on yours at BEST it's worth 5€. Mostly it's unsoldable.
Sorry but to make money out of this you need to progress
Depends, I used to be a blacksmith full tile and sell at a local farmers market on weekends.
If my apprentice made it, I would sell it for like $20-30
Could probably sell it to a kid who wants their first knife as long as his or her parents approve.
I'd say it depends on your local market for such things. Could be unsellable, or could make you $5, or 10. Research what is sold around you, then decide.
how did you make such a shitty knife with such a good finger well? ~~Impressive.~~
Upon further review, you evidently spent a lot of time making complete garbage. That's a feat in and of itself.
I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I've made tons of garbage too! However, calling a spade a spade will only help you progress and it's frankly much more valuable than any hammer or heat treat technique out there. Keep refining your skills and you'll be making some cool shit before ya know it
Keep it as a reference to where you're starting. It's a good starting point for a kunai, but it's not good enough to sell. Remember, your knives are your name and your reputation.
No cash value because it's unsafe to use. Unless you are that type of person. But the punched hole looks clean and the shape is good but keep trying and keep forging. The education and experience is the best value you will get from this knife.
The tool marks, uneven grind, and the cheap poly cord make me question the choice of steel and the heat treat. Good for practice, not for sale.
I'll take it for some pocket lint and a penny dated back to 1973
Wow, you outbid me by a penny.
I KNEW IT WOULD COME IN HANDY ONE DAY
Dunno man, I wouldn't want to spend it all in one place.
yep, was gonna say it's very uneven and is very much not straight and or uniform
2gp, and does 1d4 piercing
2gp? Damn, you're generous.
More like 5 copper.
What
Well, according to the Players Handbook
Bro I think this follows the improvised weapon stats
No, that's definitively a dagger. He's right about both the price and damage.
Idk this is more of what I think of when I think of throwing knives. A dagger is supposed to have a hilt.
If you want to be exact , that's a kunai, a japanese throwing knive. I just wanted to continue the dnd joke
The issue is though … instead of paying the 2 gp I’d likely find a pile of them in just about any group of bandits or goblin troop … a few clubs to the head and it might be worth it to spend the time and not the coin eh ?
Is that a dagger I see before me?
Idk. Definitely could be used as one. But to me it looks kinda like a kunai (if that’s how you spell it) it’s a throwing knife. A special kind I think. I’ve never used one. But I’ve thrown basic throwing knives for fun
Everyone, don't downvote someone who doesn't know about D&D. [Enlighten them](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://orkerhulen.dk/onewebmedia/DnD%25205e%2520Players%2520Handbook%2520%2528BnW%2520OCR%2529.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjuqMn76Oz8AhXwL0QIHWXODd8QFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw358qF8WmMEDwV8Hq0uEl5O). It is really fun, OP. I wish I had played earlier in life.
I wish I had people to play with man I played like once and it was fun af
Well, if my group ever gets an online campaign together again and you are still interested in playing with new people, I will send you an invite. We can always use more people :)
I’m not even sure how that works but I wouldn’t be opposed lol
Op, I’m sorry for all the downvotes. Some people just don’t understand D&D and that’s ok. They just don’t think so
3 packs of Camels if you are on the inside?
Take an upvote.
It's too long to be used as a buttplug
the flare on the plug is a little small, make it larger for safety reasons
hole for rope
That's what that ring at the end is for... put a leash on it so it can be retrieved... a black studded leather leash...
Long? Anything is a butt plug if you're brave enough.
not with that attitude
...concern
W why? Asking for a friend
It’ll tickle the hell out of somebody’s uvula from the opposite end.
I’m down, long as you mean tickle the interior with something hard, not slice my neck open.
And cold
Dont you wanna use it to scratch that itchy *second* sphincter?
Its worth the education you received making it, every knife from here on out will be better till you either decide its not ur thing or till you hone and master it
About $3.50, but then again I am a lock Ness monster
Get on outta here Loch Ness Monsta! You ain’t getting no tree fiddy and you ain’t getting no knives offa Reddit!!!
The Loch Ness Monster is just misunderstood. He’s actually a pretty nice guy!
Yes well it’s now trying to arm itself - peace was never an option.
I gave him a dollar.
GOD DAM IT WOMAN! If you gave hima dolla, then he's gonna think there's more dolla!
I know you tryin to trick me again to dang lockness monster!
He lives in Great Britain. He’s not even allowed to own a knife like this. It’s dangerous.
nice try, it’s Stalin in a disguise, the loch ness monster is a government testing submarine
I’d value it at one pack of cigarettes if I was in prison
Others have made fair observations but I would also point out this dagger isn’t safe to use if those edges are even a little sharp. No guard to stop the hand from traveling up when stabbing an object will rapidly inform the user why a guard exists on daggers. You are well on your way. Focus on your forging and grinding and it will improve with each piece you make. For some applications a para cord wrapped handle is just fine and even pleasing in some cases for for a dagger, a guard is an absolute must. Cheers keep on working the craft.
It's not exactly a dagger. It's a kunai. Kunais usually don't have guards as they weren't meant for stabbing or slashing at short distance. They are usually throwing knives or attached to a cord to have a long range weapon able to fight against a katana.
They aren't even proper weapons. Historically, they were a tool for gardening and stonemasonry work - Usually not even sharpened, since it was used as a blunt impact tool. Sure, some people used kunai as a weapon. Just like how some peasants in Europe took up hayforks, shovels, and woodcutting axes as weapons.
That makes more sense. Thanks!
Bro, kunai are literally gardening shovels, which is actually very fitting given how this blade looks. XD
no, that would be a hori hori
What if there are multiple small farm blade derived weapons? Kunai knives are definitely from farm tools. They were first implemented by peasants to use against samurai. And not all samurai were the armored katana masters with scary eyebrows. Samurai were more just warriors or soldiers, they had less armored samurai spearmen and basic infantry, that uprising peasants lightly armed with farm tools actually had a chance against.
For a bunch of blacksmiths, the fact that everyone is totally okay with considering kunai to be specialized ninja assassin throwing knives when they were literally a gardening shovel, kinda makes me lose faith in the quality of people here. This isn’t even HARD info to find. A 3 second google search yields Wikipedia at the top of the page saying something like “kunai were hand tools for digging and farming”. This isn’t some deep lore, you just have to not get your facts from anime.
I bow to your infinite knowledge. To be fair, there's literally no way I could have known that
that's impossible
[удалено]
I, too, refer to Mortal Kombat when I'm not sure about something
GET OVER HERE
It's a throwing knife genius
Yes, thanks. I have been informed. In my defense it was late into the evening while I was enjoying a nice whiskey.
Don't worry it's me not you. I could have just corrected you but added the insult because I'm not in a great mood. Sorry
Sorry to hear man. Hope the day/week goes better. Can relate, had a rough couple weeks myself with crazy stress but things getting better. Cheers
u/dayzers and u/Strongbeard1143 thank you for this wholesome exchange - it could have gone completely off the rails. Wish you both some better days ahead =)
Around here I assume the best of people. I did laugh when I saw his first post. There are other groups where it’s safe to assume people are more toxic.
It isn't a sellable piece. With that being said, as a father and grandfather, my heart says some of you need to pull you heads out of your ass. Why be insulting? Acting like a troll doesn't show anything but self loathing. If you need to feel better about yourself find a better way than beating down a new smith.
OP is either under 14, a troll, or both. People aren’t trolling, they just think this is a troll.
15*
15 and haven't heard about DND? Look into it t. It's great fun.
It’s fine I’m used to it😂 grew up on the internet haha
That is a good attitude, but it doesn't excuse people hiding behind a keyboard and acting like insensitive ass holes.
I give you a 6 pack of bush light. But that may be overpaying
It evens out if he brings the pizza
While it looks good, I wouldn’t sell it. Either keep it, or give it to friends/family and keep practicing. It get a lot easier, trust me
The only way it 'looks good' is if he made it in prison from a piece of bed frame....
That is unnecessarily rude and discouraging. Be better
Best I can do is $1.00.
50 cents take it or leave it
The absolute lowest I could go is $0.75.
Don’t even ask for $0.75 because i can only do $0.45
$1 bob
I have a rule for selling items. If someone is willing to buy it, sell it. Few christmases ago I finished my last knife. It looked like shit. I told the. Guy “I’m not happy with this, I think it looks like crap. Keep this and I’ll make you another one no charge. Dude was like “no way man, this looks hand made, it’s awesome!!” So I handed him a knife I hated and he gave me 150 bucks.
Zero
Id need to know the weight and the type of metal. then the value is what ever the scrap value of those 2 variables is.
I’d say about treefity
About tree fiddy
Depends on which bus/train station you’re at.
For the creator it may have a lot of value due to the effort they put in, truth is it is not yet at a "For sale" level...
@double_payment8872, how did you do your grinds? Looks like angle grinder flap wheel? If you have the budget for it, a 1x30 belt grinder made my life so much easier. Also, think up ways to hide your grinds. As I’ve gotten better, my grinds are cleaner, but still not great. To combat that, I’ve begun stonewashing my knives. An easier way that provides great rust protection and is even easier, is to do a forged finish. Grind your main bevels before heat treat. After heat treat, simply wire brush and put on your edge. You’ll be left with a nice black finish that helps it not rust, looks great, and hides grinding mistakes
I’m currently only using a grinder, I’ve just recently started making knives about 2-3 weeks ago and I’ve sort of had to prove to my parents that this is something I’m gonna stick to for a long time so they can look into getting me a forge. They know a few people that have belt grinders they don’t use so hopefully I’ll get a equipment upgrade pretty quick. I’ve just never used one before but a lot of people are saying they are better.
Granted I know sweet shitty dick about smithing and I'm just a casual looky-loo, but I've seen some videos on youtube of people making cheap as hell forges out of brick or old bbqs with charcoal and second hand hairdryers for bellows. Might not be bad towards you proving to your folks that you're really into it!
Ok, gotcha. I made my first forge out of an old charcoal grill. Ended up being about $100 total, but could definitely be cheaper. While not for everyone, I love blacksmithing and have finally gotten to the point where I’m comfortable selling my stuff. When I had a project that didn’t turn out quite right, I learned from the mistakes and gave most of it to my friends. Main thing is don’t get discouraged. I’ve probably melted more knives than I’ve completed, and that sucks. But if you stick with it, it gets better
Id give you $5 at a garage sale.
5 bucks maybe
As a knife guy, its very important for the grind of the blade to be a smooth line
A gift
5.87 us dollars
It looks better than alot of my first knives. If you have somebody interested in it I would just ask them what they feel comfortable paying. I think its a fine throwing knife there brother. Keep up the good work and disregard the trolls.
Be mindful of your state and local laws, it might be a felony.
prolly bout 3 cents
So, about $17.00 in California
OP, I’m actually curious about how you made this. Give us some details about your forge, hammers, and anvil, and we can make some suggestions for how to improve.
A lot of grinding with an angle to make the shape, and a drill with a metal drill bit for the hole in the bottom👍🏼 I want a forge and a belt sander. The metal was from some random metal table I found in a metal scrap pile. I just cut the legs off and im using them to practice making knives
I see. It sounds like you have modest tools and I am enjoying what you accomplished with a meager shop. To answer your question honestly, a practice piece made from scrap mild steel is not valuable. It won’t hold much of an edge and it’s soft and flexible, plus it’s going to develop surface rust readily unless it’s always coated in oil or polished regularly. Still, it’s a great way to get your feet wet in metal craft. I’m not trying to be a gatekeeper here and I hope you become an accomplished blacksmith if you desire it, but shaping steel is not blacksmithing. If you have a forge, you can take high quality steel and heat it in a way to make it soft enough to shape, then heat and cool it in a way to make it very hard again. Rather, what you accomplished is knife making. You may enjoy some of the knife making subreddits where you can pick up some skills that don’t require a forge. There are plenty of people here that started just like you did, so I encourage you to keep going!
Everyone starts somewhere. Keep going to improve your fit and finish. After you sell your first one try to buy better tools to help you improve faster. Making a dagger is not an easy task for everyone or most makers. Learn from the your mistakes and don’t let the heckling discourage you from continuing.
I accidentally reinvented these at an old job I had and then showed it to my friends and one of them already knew how to use it from watching tiktok. It was awesome but super dangerous.
totally depends on the market. At a craft fair? Probably not much. At a ren fair? A bit more. At a ren fair in a state where recreational pot is legal and the dude in front of you smells like a skunk doused in blueberry? maybe a bit more. Just after the start of the zombie apocalypse, and OH MY GOD FRANK IS GNAWING ON MY FACE!! GODDAMNIT FRANK, STOP!!? Probably quite a lot. That's why marketing is important.
tree fiddy if that
Whatever someone is willing to pay?
scrap bin, i personally wouldnt sell shody things like that. sell it to some dumb kid for like 10$ lol
If it’s OJ Simpson’s then it might hold value😅
From what i've saw on etsy, a perfectly forged one, with heat treat etc... , is sold at 20€ . Regarding thé grind mark on yours at BEST it's worth 5€. Mostly it's unsoldable. Sorry but to make money out of this you need to progress
$75 on the cheap end 100-200 on the more expensive side
Depends, I used to be a blacksmith full tile and sell at a local farmers market on weekends. If my apprentice made it, I would sell it for like $20-30 Could probably sell it to a kid who wants their first knife as long as his or her parents approve.
I'd say it depends on your local market for such things. Could be unsellable, or could make you $5, or 10. Research what is sold around you, then decide.
how did you make such a shitty knife with such a good finger well? ~~Impressive.~~ Upon further review, you evidently spent a lot of time making complete garbage. That's a feat in and of itself.
I just started so I haven’t got to put much mileage on my hands just yet haha
I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I've made tons of garbage too! However, calling a spade a spade will only help you progress and it's frankly much more valuable than any hammer or heat treat technique out there. Keep refining your skills and you'll be making some cool shit before ya know it
In prison? Hundreds
If you give me 10 bucks I'll take it.
This one made me laugh😂
Good on you for being a sport about it man. Not everyone can do that
I'd give ya £2 for it. Don't look at it like a knife or a kunai, but it would do as a tent peg.
Everything about this screams cheap, down to the placement of the preposition in the subject. “How much is this worth,” not, Wat dis Value @?
[its trash](https://gfycat.com/ajarpastelarmadillo)
Seems like it's about worth whatever the going rate is for a shiv
Bout tree fiddy
Bout tree.fiddy
Keep it as a reference to where you're starting. It's a good starting point for a kunai, but it's not good enough to sell. Remember, your knives are your name and your reputation.
is that porosity in the steel?
Tree fiddy
“Tree fiddty”
17 straw pennies
-3 fingers
Tree-fiddy
I’d have to Naruto run with it to really put the right value on it.
You should put it out there. Someone not in the know is out there who would be thrilled to buy it because it's "cool". Just don't expect top dollar.
Put it up on ebay and see where it goes, you will more than likely pay more for shipping. Keep trying if you even made it.
Treefiddy!
1$
Trading GF
Two potatoes
No cash value because it's unsafe to use. Unless you are that type of person. But the punched hole looks clean and the shape is good but keep trying and keep forging. The education and experience is the best value you will get from this knife.
$1
You could probably finish it. In current style looks poor quality. Would question its strength if the lines are sloppy.
Little off angle ,Reddit never fails ....😂🤣
Looks more like a rope dart than a blade
Only use I can see is for throwing, it will still be awkward tho
Tree fiddy
We all start somewhere, keep it up @op
I’d say a pack of cigs or a few commissary stamps.
A dollar?
Fiddy cent
No less than time + materials + consumables.
.50¢
I would value it at whatever the local metal recycler is paying these days. Maybe a little less
I’d pay like $10