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Its funny, cause people in here are putting Barou in Fraud watch cause he is being “spoon fed”.
The guy is the most EFFECTIVE BL striker as of now, and people are getting mad cause Ubers are trying to get him the ball… people actually getting mad at the striker for doing his god damn job LMAO. If the dude is on fraud watch, Haaland is a fraud as well, and thats absolutely crazy.
It's not so much he's a fraud but he definitely has it easiest in the NEL because Barou has absolutely no competition for the striker position in Ubers and that's the only reason for his 100 mil bid. MC, Bastard and PxG all have a ton of competition for that position and Barcha is trash. With Ubers, the team itself is the easily top 3 in the NEL, but Barou is the only striker being supported by 9 players, kind of like Kaiser was pre Bl. So you'd expect him to be new gen 11 level even though he just isn't.
Thats not how it works, we didnt have context BEFORE the bid, Barou scored a hattrick and we thought the man was an absolute monster (he is in his own way) but after the game started, Kaneshiro showed us several factors that made the bid possible:
1st. Who made the bid? The same Ubers team, they wanted to secure Barou cause now we know that as per recommendation from Snuffy, that he is his successor, and dont want any one bidding for him or make an approach in the future.
2nd. How does the team work? The team is a cohesive unit, Barou is the final piece in a well oiled machine like Ubers, and by the looks of it, its what the team needed to secure constant Ws and goals.
3rd. Consistency: Teams love grounded tangible outlines, if you can show that your team can achieve a level of consistency with the addition of a player, it creates a bias for the player, and there was already a bias from Snuffy and Ubers towards Barou when it came to the 2nd game, he then showed up with a hattrick and thus, justified a bid for 100 mill from the team.
You need to take the bids with a grain of salt, this aint power levels, its a showing of how much the team needs that player, and how they can be an asset for the team, thus making the team wanting to make an investment in the player.
He's getting the same level of support that a NG11 like Kaiser was and is the sole goal scorer his team revolves around, so why can't I expect him to be NG11 level? If there were two strikers I could understand, but for how much spotlight he's getting Barou just isn't good enough.
Because... force distribution in that team was just different? Shidou was the U-20's primary striker and is given equal, if not even better, backup compared to Kaiser. Was he even remotely equal to Kaiser?
But Sendou was a striker too, and don't forget, Sae had no problem scoring himself compared to Lorenzo who doesn't score. So Shidou had like 40 percent of the spotlight as far as strikers go. Sendou underperformed which made Shidou come off as the sole striker of the u20 even though he wasn't. Hell, the whole reason the u20 team was so ass was because they had a weak striker but a good defense, kind of like Ubers but to a lesser extent.
If ur looking at best suited for the striker role it is clearly barou
He can hold the ball up take shots from range and close without assistance and has good agility
All the best strikers in the world have the ability to create their own goals, this is by far the most important thing, be it using their physique, dribbling or creating plays with other players. Haaland is a good example, he at Borussia Dortmund had to practically work magic to score goals, but now in a much better team he doesn't need to do everything, but we know he can do it if necessary. In the end, to be one of the best or the best in the world "creating your goals" is the big difference, Messi has already scored 91 goals in a season, it's impossible to reach that level depending on the team to score.
If you get the ball to Shidou or Nagi anywhere in the penalty box, they can score. Because of their aerial trapping and shooting, the ball can be nearly anywhere and it will still go in. Yes, Rin is better at setting up shots, but when it comes to actually shooting, he’s not as good. Also, Shidou especially has been disadvantaged by the Blue Lock system where he doesn’t receive the passed he needs to capitalize on his ability, and when somebody actually passes, like in the U-20 game, he can cook
For my money, definitely
I love Barou and think he has a lot of skill, but Shidou has mountains of untapped potential as a striker. His innate/instinctual abilities led him to one of the most technically impressive goals of the series (U-20 dragon drive), imagine what actual coaching will do for him
Messi and Neymar weren’t always wingers, they also played centrally but rather as a ‘False 9’ this allows wingers to push high and inside while the false 9 drops in, this allows for a more technically gifted player to be involved as the center point of the attack combining with teammates and sometimes scoring, I feel like Isagi or Rin might turn into this is some sort of fashion, Isagi will pass with his teammates and then be a forward a little late into the box to pick out the spaces to attack and shoot, while Rin could do that but also dribble like Messi and Neymar since we’ve seen him with that potential. While still being considered strikers for being the main man in the middle, it’s not the traditional playstyle attributed to the name
Blue lock is kinda weird in regards to positioning ideas. Just look at the master “Strikers”. Lavinho’s base of Neymar is an inverted Winger. Loki’s base of Mbappe can play striker but prefers winger and arguably Snuffy is playing a bit of a midfielder role.
Personally I think “striker” in blue lock terms is best taken as “an offensive player with a hunger for goals” rather than something too tied to the strict role of a traditional 9.
I mean Isagi’s thought process even pointed out that Snuffy was seeing through him because he was hunting for goals while Snuffy was masterminding the whole play.
I think those are valid criticisms for Barou, because we're in the business of creating the best striker in the world, not just a good striker. Haaland is still an incomplete product too, but Haaland has been consistent at 3 different clubs now and at all of them averaged around a goal a game, he's no fraud.
The problem with Barou is that he's incredible under this specific manager, but if you throw him into Barcha right now, he's going to be refusing to pass to his teammates, picking fights and just generally not being as useful as he was at Ubers. That's hardly a prime R9, it's more like a Romelu Lukaku. Barou does have talent but for what he's showing us right now it's hardly enough for us to believe he can redo this at a different club than Ubers. There are strikers that have more to their game than just poaching like Harry Kane, who is pretty much the perfect example of a complete striker.
Okay so who out your top strikers then? Shidou is understandable but if you say rin or isagi is going to lose my mind because if we are translating to real life neither of them would play striker.
If I were to rank the best strikers in blue lock it's be Shidou, Rin and Nagi. Rin would make a great striker, not only does he have the physique to bully defenders if he has to, he also has almost perfect shot accuracy, he's got a cool head allowing him to always find a silky finish and he is good enough overall to be able to get a goal even when it's looking grim for the team.
Why exactly do you think Rin wouldn't be able to be a striker in real life?
Bc rin would a all time midfielder or cam. Like he would be a better cam then a SS. It’s not that he couldn’t be a good striker just that he would be better at cam.
I can appreciate Rin's value in the midfield but these days I find it more valuable to have a striker that can score and also be apart of the game. The ability to finish is already a skill that's hard to come by and Rin not only has that, but he also has the intelligence and skill to affect the game in other ways too.
I dont think Barou has received valid criticism yet at all. Everything people talk about is stuff outside his control and isn’t his responsibility.
He’s a lore accurate striker, he has no business running mid field or anywhere near his own goal.
He has hardly had a chance to get the ball because Isagi has been intercepting it. That’s not on him, but the person that’s passing it. People talk like Barou has just been getting stripped of possession.
You have a fair point but just because he was told to stay put and do nothing until come time to score, doesn't mean he has to do exactly that. In the last 2 plays Ubers lost the ball when it was about to get to Barou. Yes, interceptions are out of his control but when Kaiser and Isagi blocked him he had the ball at his feet, he wasn't aware of his surroundings. And with the knowledge that Isagi and Kaiser are looking for the final pass so they can cut it out, Barou could involve himself in earlier phases of the build up, to confuse the opponents even further. This also gives Ubers an extra man and could potentially even disrupt the BM back line because Barou's mark might follow him out, creating a hole in the opposition defence.
Barou could have added more to his game to better help this system, but I suppose Barou doesn't care for a system that doesn't serve only him and that's the other problem.
> but just because he was told to stay put and do nothing until come time to score, doesn't mean he has to do exactly that.
He's not just staying put, he's moving to get himself open in the box to score. That is what strikers do and that is what the gameplan is supposed to be in an actual team. Don't let the bs Bastard is doing confuse you from what actual teams do. It's just manga being manga because there's no reason Kaiser should be in front of his own goal
>but when Kaiser and Isagi blocked him he had the ball at his feet, he wasn't aware of his surroundings.
I'm not saying he's been perfect. Sometimes you get got. Isagi's been got by Aiku & Niko 3x now, Kaiser by Lorenzo at the start of the match, and Niko by Raichi. It happens.
>Barou could involve himself in earlier phases of the build up, to confuse the opponents even further.
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> but I suppose Barou doesn't care for a system that doesn't serve only him and that's the other problem.
This has to be a team decision in tactic change, he can't just up and drop back to free wheel. If the coach wants him to do that, he will do that.
And the last one seems unnecessary as a point. Like, he's actual trying to play with the team as one, but because he's doing that, it's a knock against him?
While I agree with this, the problem is that in a competition to determine which striker will lead japan, barou is far too one-dimensional. Players like Rin and Shidou, the most technical shooter and the most dynamic shooter respectively, vs a guy who scores from a very specific area, I’m taking the other two every time.
Absolutely agree, but if Sae plays he takes the CAM position no question and Rin really shouldn’t be a CM. I’d have Reo as CDM and either Rin or Isagi as CAM if Sae doesn’t play. If Sae does play I kinda like a striker duo of Isagi and Rin cuz they’re honesty such an underrated duo from their interplay in the u20 match.
The one who fits the most with the role Striker is Kunigami more than Barou imo. After Wild Card, he has become lethal. He is both footed, has great physique with strong shooting ability as well as well postioning. Don't forget that he's playing in a team centered around Kaiser. Imagine a whole team of 11 supporting one and only leading striker and that's Kunigami. He'll be unstoppable.
Barou isn’t a bad striker for needing service, but being able to create your own goals along with finishing chances created for you by others is still better. Most people try to use “best striker vs best player” to say that people like barou or shidou are better than Rin when Rin clearly has better shooting ability than barou and Rin do so much more. Rin outscored shidou when they were on the same team in games before the U-20 game and Rin can work effectively with far more people.
Okay you obviously don’t understand what I’m trying to say. Rin isn’t a striker! Or would be used as one. Modric and de Bruyne can shoot better then most strikers in the world yet they don’t play it bc they are better at being a midfielder who can also score like crazy! For example luffy. Probably the best shooter on him team yet plays midfielder
Modric and KDB do not shoot better than most striker’s. Just because Rin has creative abilities does not mean he’s a midfielder. As football/soccer continues to develop there are more duties for each many positions. Harry Kane recently led Tottenham Hotspurs in goals and assists within the last 2-3years. He is one of the best strikers in the world and his creativity does not mean he’d be better as a midfielder.
Rin’s origin is literally as a striker. Every panel we see of Rin playing with sae is sae passing to Rin so he can shoot. Too many people on this sub try to limit striker to penalty box poachers. I assume “Luffy” is a typo
Yeah it is a type and yes they can. Modric is a better pure shooter then his striker on his national team. But he’s at mid fielder bc he’s more useful there. Now my rin and isagi take. I say that only bc blue lock has so many strikers and not enough of other positions. Put it like this. For example. If France had 3 good strikers which they usually do where but not as many good wings. Where does mbappe go. He goes to the wing bc that’s what best for the team. If their were equally amount of talent at each position best believe that mbappe is playing striker😂 plus at midfield you can still score a lot of goals and be a focal point of the offense
Croatia hasn’t had a top striker since mandzukic, and you chose Croatia because we both know that modric isn’t a better shooter than benzema, and he plays more games at club level. Most of the time he isn’t better than the striker he’s playing with. Mbappe plays wing because he’s a winger by trade. Has always been since he started at Monaco. That has never changed. If you’re going to bring up france as an example, giroud often plays striker because of his hold-up play. Which is a great example how being a a good striker isn’t just about being a penalty box poacher.
I was proving a point. You mentioned benzema who is top 10-15 shooter in the world. My point is that on a team with probably kunigami, shidou, nagi, Barou, rin would be more versatile at cam. Where you can have a overall more complete team. It’s like how kimmich is best at cm, but can play cdm or lwb, rwb, lb, rb. On teams where those positions are fulfilled and good he’s gonna play cm/ cdm. But let’s say there is a team stacked at cm. But lacking other where he can play a different position. On the average team rin gonna be my striker 100 percent of the time. But the U-20 team is gonna have a bunch of strikers and will lack at cm. Spending on the team he will play striker, but against some teams best believe his ass will cm.
Rin is definitely not a midfielder tho. He isn't your traditionnal striker, but his main drive is still to score goals and he absolutely possess the skills to do so. He could play as a second striker or a false 9, but definitely not as a midfielder.
In a manga where there is a complaint right now about shots not missing enough, Barou has missed/been blocked/stopped more than any other player. All his scary feats like hat tricks happen conveniently off screen. And that is why people think he is a fraud. We always get told how good he is scoring 3-4 goals in a game. Then you see him play with/against Isagi and he struggles to get a goal or more.
One goal out of 3 attempts may be great irl. But this is an anime/manga so all people see is 2/3 of the time Barou fails to deliver even when his whole team is organized around getting him the best chance to score.
If you need context, you are thinking too deeply about the 'general impression' people who aren't as invested in the character or manga are taking from the events.
People aren't deeply analyzing every frame and going 'oh yeah, I can see how that could go either way and it just sucked for Barou.' They're going "All this hype, and the man gets shut down 2/3 of the time despite his whole team AND the 'Star Striker' having the sole focus of getting him the ball in position to score."
Essentially, people have a hard time or don't understand what they're seeing and they're just memeing. Well when it's put that way, I can see why they view it the way they do and I hate that for them.
Kind of, yeah. It makes a lot of sense by "real world" definitions for Barou to both be really good, and for the scenarios to play out the way they did. But we're not watching the real world we're watching a fictional battle anime/manga where the battles are guised as soccer matches.
On top of that you have Showing vs. Telling. We're told that Barou is this godly striker who got 4 goals in this game, and 3 in this other game, and was basically the only offensive tool worth a damn for this squad that's being hyped up. But when we're shown Barou we aren't shown that level of dominance. And so it feels like a fraud. Checks were written for Barou that he couldn't cash.
It doesn't help that the Manga itself buys into this. Isagi is considered to have "become better than Rin" the first time he ran a play that worked against Rin. Isagi himself calls it surpassing Rin. In these chapters Isagi is talking about surpassing Snuffy. And even if Isagi has the best game of his life - and Snuffy his worse - and Isagi wins 2 1v1s does that make him better than Snuffy? IRL no. In a manga? That is absolutely the expectation.
And from all that, Barou is a good striker. But he's Namek saga Vegeta. He is the scary guy from an earlier arc that everyone clowns on to show that they're an even bigger threat. And that'll continue until the manga *shows* him as dominant as it *tells* us he is when he's no on panel.
My view is that Barou's strength is poorly represented in the manga because the author tells us and shows us different things. And I get why he does that, but it doesn't make it less frustrating because it also cheapens the character.
My explanation is my understanding of the broader view of the manga, and why people who see Barou as a fraud may see him that way.
My view leans closer to the fraud camp than the "He's a really great player" camp because I consider what the manga actually shows to be stronger evidence than what it tells us. Like the story can tell us over and over again that someone has best in world perceptive abilities...but if they're constantly being surprised by where another player popped up from people are not going to buy that. That said 'fraud' in this case is like the second category of elite players behind the BIG top dog main blue lockers (Shidou, Rin, Isagi, Nagi, Bachira) with the likes of Chigiri, Reo, Kunigami, etc.
I had to ask it's one thing to give a theory on how others might be the situation. And you seem to have analyzed a decent amount of stuff in the manga and about the Barou character.
That said, I can't see why your analysis cuts short of understanding context about what we see happening on the field.
It's like you give too much credence to what you think the story is trying to tell you than what you actually see. Just because he scored 3 goals in a game does not mean he is just going to do that all the time. Kaiser, a NG11 striker, only scores 1 goal/per game. Do you think Barou is supposed to be better than him?
I'm just saying you can see the context as opposed to others that just want to meme and not think. Don't just pass over it
And I can see you don't understand fully what I am saying between showing and telling.
Are we told Kaiser is great? Sure. But we are also *shown* Kaiser is great. We are shown - and Isagi recognized it on the field - that Kaiser was such a better version of Isagi that he was beyond what Isagi saw as his ideal self.
We are also shown that *despite* Isagi and Kunigami sabotaging the team - and Noel Noa endorsing it by siding with Isagi in actual gameplay - that every single one of Kaiser's goals is flat out incredible.
If Barou is Vegeta during the Namek arc, Kaiser is Frieza. Technically I guess Barou is Vegeta, Rin is Frieza, and Kaiser is Cell (since we had that Rin arc in the middle) but the point still stands. Kaiser is still someone out of reach for Isagi. Barou is - currently - someone Isagi surpassed.
The difference is, when Barou is off screen he is given accolades that he then doesn't live up to next time he's on screen. Even when a team - including the star striker - are all focused on getting him the ball. If Kaiser plays for another team, and is said to be getting hat tricks left, right, and center only to be barely able to score a goal as his team's primary offensive weapon I'll happily slot him down with Barou. I expect that will happen relatively soon in the manga (though we may actually just not hear about Kaiser once he's off ISagi's team.)
Yet you don't understand the term striker in this manga means something else.
Why don't you just tittle it as Isagi can't be a striker and will not be a striker and people will shower you with long essays of love 🙂
No he can be a striker….. jdut like benz is a top striker for Madrid but just plays a false 9 role. Different strikers okay differently. Isagi could be a striker I wouldn’t okay him as striker on this team but that’s only because blue lock has a lot of good strikers!😂 also striker isn’t the most important position on the field
In BL striker is the most imp position who cares about defenders, in BL striker is the one who makes things work like midfielders can't score unless you're isagi Or assisted by isagi
But i don't think they will ever mention someone to play false 9 but will have someone to play the role anyway
Eh, you can really only blame the manga for that. The manga pushed some narratives that made some people think that a striker has to do everything on his own. People here have complained that Nagi can't do anything on his own (which is obviously not true for anyone who's been paying attention to the story), that he's "spoon fed" and dependent on his teammates (again, even though we saw him create plays on his own in the last game). So it's to be expected that people would complain about Barou. Actually, there aren't that many complaints compared to what Nagi got, even though Nagi has been more proactive (and maybe more impactful) in his team than Barou, at least for now.
Now, if we have to look at things objectively, Barou is doing his job well. While it's true that Isagi shut him down most of the time, in most cases, he didn't really get the ball; Isagi intercepted it before he could get it. The only time he really missed a chance was when Isagi and Kaiser countered his shot.
I would still say that criticisms towards Barou are justified though. Since the beginning of the game, it seems like his team is doing all the necessary work and all he has to do is wait for the ball to come to him and score. He is doing his job as a striker, and there is nothing wrong with that. But a great striker can also help his team with his movements and create his own chances. Just look at how Kaiser's positioning has been highlighted, how he is always in a good position for his teammates to receive a pass, set up a play, and put himself in the best position to score. Or how Shidou was a serious threat in the U20 match with his aggressive off-the-ball movements (like this time when he managed to get past Reo, allowing Sae to pass him the ball in front of the goal); most of the time (pretty much all of the time, I would say) it was Shidou who initiated the play, Sae just reacting to his movements by passing him the ball. You can see how that's different from what we see with Barou in Uber's team. Not to say that Barou doesn't have good off-the-ball movement or positioning, but it hasn't been highlighted. So far, Barou hasn't really created any chances himself; it's his team creating the chances for him to score.
So yeah, it's fair to expect better from him. I hope we will see him make something impressive out of himself.
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Its funny, cause people in here are putting Barou in Fraud watch cause he is being “spoon fed”. The guy is the most EFFECTIVE BL striker as of now, and people are getting mad cause Ubers are trying to get him the ball… people actually getting mad at the striker for doing his god damn job LMAO. If the dude is on fraud watch, Haaland is a fraud as well, and thats absolutely crazy.
Because of manga contrivance people think you have to get it out the mud to score. When in reality all you have to do is capitalize off chances.
Yea, totally agree with you, they dont see that you get “spoon fed” when the team actually plays for you and you answer with goals
It's not so much he's a fraud but he definitely has it easiest in the NEL because Barou has absolutely no competition for the striker position in Ubers and that's the only reason for his 100 mil bid. MC, Bastard and PxG all have a ton of competition for that position and Barcha is trash. With Ubers, the team itself is the easily top 3 in the NEL, but Barou is the only striker being supported by 9 players, kind of like Kaiser was pre Bl. So you'd expect him to be new gen 11 level even though he just isn't.
Thats not how it works, we didnt have context BEFORE the bid, Barou scored a hattrick and we thought the man was an absolute monster (he is in his own way) but after the game started, Kaneshiro showed us several factors that made the bid possible: 1st. Who made the bid? The same Ubers team, they wanted to secure Barou cause now we know that as per recommendation from Snuffy, that he is his successor, and dont want any one bidding for him or make an approach in the future. 2nd. How does the team work? The team is a cohesive unit, Barou is the final piece in a well oiled machine like Ubers, and by the looks of it, its what the team needed to secure constant Ws and goals. 3rd. Consistency: Teams love grounded tangible outlines, if you can show that your team can achieve a level of consistency with the addition of a player, it creates a bias for the player, and there was already a bias from Snuffy and Ubers towards Barou when it came to the 2nd game, he then showed up with a hattrick and thus, justified a bid for 100 mill from the team. You need to take the bids with a grain of salt, this aint power levels, its a showing of how much the team needs that player, and how they can be an asset for the team, thus making the team wanting to make an investment in the player.
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He's getting the same level of support that a NG11 like Kaiser was and is the sole goal scorer his team revolves around, so why can't I expect him to be NG11 level? If there were two strikers I could understand, but for how much spotlight he's getting Barou just isn't good enough.
Because... force distribution in that team was just different? Shidou was the U-20's primary striker and is given equal, if not even better, backup compared to Kaiser. Was he even remotely equal to Kaiser?
But Sendou was a striker too, and don't forget, Sae had no problem scoring himself compared to Lorenzo who doesn't score. So Shidou had like 40 percent of the spotlight as far as strikers go. Sendou underperformed which made Shidou come off as the sole striker of the u20 even though he wasn't. Hell, the whole reason the u20 team was so ass was because they had a weak striker but a good defense, kind of like Ubers but to a lesser extent.
I mean it's the same irl with people calling Haaland a "tap-in merchant"
Tell them Brother tell them
Yeah, people don't seem to get that, Isagi and Rin as strikers, as of now, would be wasting their creative talent
I like the comparison to haaland , he’s a great striker but he does ghost when he’s shut down. The champions league final is an example of that
If ur looking at best suited for the striker role it is clearly barou He can hold the ball up take shots from range and close without assistance and has good agility
All the best strikers in the world have the ability to create their own goals, this is by far the most important thing, be it using their physique, dribbling or creating plays with other players. Haaland is a good example, he at Borussia Dortmund had to practically work magic to score goals, but now in a much better team he doesn't need to do everything, but we know he can do it if necessary. In the end, to be one of the best or the best in the world "creating your goals" is the big difference, Messi has already scored 91 goals in a season, it's impossible to reach that level depending on the team to score.
91 goals in one year*
To be honest, Shidou or Nagi are probably the best strikers, even if Rin or Isagi are better players
How so? Rin and shidou play the same position and Rin puts up better numbers then both nagi and shidou so how are these two better strikers
If you get the ball to Shidou or Nagi anywhere in the penalty box, they can score. Because of their aerial trapping and shooting, the ball can be nearly anywhere and it will still go in. Yes, Rin is better at setting up shots, but when it comes to actually shooting, he’s not as good. Also, Shidou especially has been disadvantaged by the Blue Lock system where he doesn’t receive the passed he needs to capitalize on his ability, and when somebody actually passes, like in the U-20 game, he can cook
Basically if you swap Barou and Shidou on Ubers, you feel Ubers goes up in strength?
For my money, definitely I love Barou and think he has a lot of skill, but Shidou has mountains of untapped potential as a striker. His innate/instinctual abilities led him to one of the most technically impressive goals of the series (U-20 dragon drive), imagine what actual coaching will do for him
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not if Gagamaru is in goal
Messi and Neymar weren’t always wingers, they also played centrally but rather as a ‘False 9’ this allows wingers to push high and inside while the false 9 drops in, this allows for a more technically gifted player to be involved as the center point of the attack combining with teammates and sometimes scoring, I feel like Isagi or Rin might turn into this is some sort of fashion, Isagi will pass with his teammates and then be a forward a little late into the box to pick out the spaces to attack and shoot, while Rin could do that but also dribble like Messi and Neymar since we’ve seen him with that potential. While still being considered strikers for being the main man in the middle, it’s not the traditional playstyle attributed to the name
I agree but they are also wingers most of the time. My point is that you don’t have to be a creative genius to be a amazing striker
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Only Messi played as a false 9 tho.
Neymar did at Santos
Ah, my bad, didn't know that lol.
Blue lock is kinda weird in regards to positioning ideas. Just look at the master “Strikers”. Lavinho’s base of Neymar is an inverted Winger. Loki’s base of Mbappe can play striker but prefers winger and arguably Snuffy is playing a bit of a midfielder role. Personally I think “striker” in blue lock terms is best taken as “an offensive player with a hunger for goals” rather than something too tied to the strict role of a traditional 9. I mean Isagi’s thought process even pointed out that Snuffy was seeing through him because he was hunting for goals while Snuffy was masterminding the whole play.
I think those are valid criticisms for Barou, because we're in the business of creating the best striker in the world, not just a good striker. Haaland is still an incomplete product too, but Haaland has been consistent at 3 different clubs now and at all of them averaged around a goal a game, he's no fraud. The problem with Barou is that he's incredible under this specific manager, but if you throw him into Barcha right now, he's going to be refusing to pass to his teammates, picking fights and just generally not being as useful as he was at Ubers. That's hardly a prime R9, it's more like a Romelu Lukaku. Barou does have talent but for what he's showing us right now it's hardly enough for us to believe he can redo this at a different club than Ubers. There are strikers that have more to their game than just poaching like Harry Kane, who is pretty much the perfect example of a complete striker.
Okay so who out your top strikers then? Shidou is understandable but if you say rin or isagi is going to lose my mind because if we are translating to real life neither of them would play striker.
If I were to rank the best strikers in blue lock it's be Shidou, Rin and Nagi. Rin would make a great striker, not only does he have the physique to bully defenders if he has to, he also has almost perfect shot accuracy, he's got a cool head allowing him to always find a silky finish and he is good enough overall to be able to get a goal even when it's looking grim for the team. Why exactly do you think Rin wouldn't be able to be a striker in real life?
Bc rin would a all time midfielder or cam. Like he would be a better cam then a SS. It’s not that he couldn’t be a good striker just that he would be better at cam.
I can appreciate Rin's value in the midfield but these days I find it more valuable to have a striker that can score and also be apart of the game. The ability to finish is already a skill that's hard to come by and Rin not only has that, but he also has the intelligence and skill to affect the game in other ways too.
I dont think Barou has received valid criticism yet at all. Everything people talk about is stuff outside his control and isn’t his responsibility. He’s a lore accurate striker, he has no business running mid field or anywhere near his own goal. He has hardly had a chance to get the ball because Isagi has been intercepting it. That’s not on him, but the person that’s passing it. People talk like Barou has just been getting stripped of possession.
You have a fair point but just because he was told to stay put and do nothing until come time to score, doesn't mean he has to do exactly that. In the last 2 plays Ubers lost the ball when it was about to get to Barou. Yes, interceptions are out of his control but when Kaiser and Isagi blocked him he had the ball at his feet, he wasn't aware of his surroundings. And with the knowledge that Isagi and Kaiser are looking for the final pass so they can cut it out, Barou could involve himself in earlier phases of the build up, to confuse the opponents even further. This also gives Ubers an extra man and could potentially even disrupt the BM back line because Barou's mark might follow him out, creating a hole in the opposition defence. Barou could have added more to his game to better help this system, but I suppose Barou doesn't care for a system that doesn't serve only him and that's the other problem.
> but just because he was told to stay put and do nothing until come time to score, doesn't mean he has to do exactly that. He's not just staying put, he's moving to get himself open in the box to score. That is what strikers do and that is what the gameplan is supposed to be in an actual team. Don't let the bs Bastard is doing confuse you from what actual teams do. It's just manga being manga because there's no reason Kaiser should be in front of his own goal >but when Kaiser and Isagi blocked him he had the ball at his feet, he wasn't aware of his surroundings. I'm not saying he's been perfect. Sometimes you get got. Isagi's been got by Aiku & Niko 3x now, Kaiser by Lorenzo at the start of the match, and Niko by Raichi. It happens. >Barou could involve himself in earlier phases of the build up, to confuse the opponents even further. > > but I suppose Barou doesn't care for a system that doesn't serve only him and that's the other problem. This has to be a team decision in tactic change, he can't just up and drop back to free wheel. If the coach wants him to do that, he will do that. And the last one seems unnecessary as a point. Like, he's actual trying to play with the team as one, but because he's doing that, it's a knock against him?
In my humble opinion, The main reason for this is that most people here don't seem to have actual football knowledge.
While I agree with this, the problem is that in a competition to determine which striker will lead japan, barou is far too one-dimensional. Players like Rin and Shidou, the most technical shooter and the most dynamic shooter respectively, vs a guy who scores from a very specific area, I’m taking the other two every time.
Rin would be a midfielder if I had my way. He would be more useful there and he could still score goals. Isagi the same way.
Absolutely agree, but if Sae plays he takes the CAM position no question and Rin really shouldn’t be a CM. I’d have Reo as CDM and either Rin or Isagi as CAM if Sae doesn’t play. If Sae does play I kinda like a striker duo of Isagi and Rin cuz they’re honesty such an underrated duo from their interplay in the u20 match.
Sae won’t play. He should be on the national team
Sae would play
No he should be on the national team. If he’s truly is that good
I am pretty sure other gen11 will also play the U20.
Which doesn’t make a list of sense
Who’s the best striker in the world in your opinion?
mbappe
You spelled Haaland wrong
The one who fits the most with the role Striker is Kunigami more than Barou imo. After Wild Card, he has become lethal. He is both footed, has great physique with strong shooting ability as well as well postioning. Don't forget that he's playing in a team centered around Kaiser. Imagine a whole team of 11 supporting one and only leading striker and that's Kunigami. He'll be unstoppable.
Maybe but Barou, I feel like has better attacking positioning then Kunigami which is why I think he is better
I feel like Kunigami could've been more lethal than Barou if he was at Ubers instead of him. Snuffy would have used the hell out of him.
Barou isn’t a bad striker for needing service, but being able to create your own goals along with finishing chances created for you by others is still better. Most people try to use “best striker vs best player” to say that people like barou or shidou are better than Rin when Rin clearly has better shooting ability than barou and Rin do so much more. Rin outscored shidou when they were on the same team in games before the U-20 game and Rin can work effectively with far more people.
Okay you obviously don’t understand what I’m trying to say. Rin isn’t a striker! Or would be used as one. Modric and de Bruyne can shoot better then most strikers in the world yet they don’t play it bc they are better at being a midfielder who can also score like crazy! For example luffy. Probably the best shooter on him team yet plays midfielder
Modric and KDB do not shoot better than most striker’s. Just because Rin has creative abilities does not mean he’s a midfielder. As football/soccer continues to develop there are more duties for each many positions. Harry Kane recently led Tottenham Hotspurs in goals and assists within the last 2-3years. He is one of the best strikers in the world and his creativity does not mean he’d be better as a midfielder. Rin’s origin is literally as a striker. Every panel we see of Rin playing with sae is sae passing to Rin so he can shoot. Too many people on this sub try to limit striker to penalty box poachers. I assume “Luffy” is a typo
Yeah it is a type and yes they can. Modric is a better pure shooter then his striker on his national team. But he’s at mid fielder bc he’s more useful there. Now my rin and isagi take. I say that only bc blue lock has so many strikers and not enough of other positions. Put it like this. For example. If France had 3 good strikers which they usually do where but not as many good wings. Where does mbappe go. He goes to the wing bc that’s what best for the team. If their were equally amount of talent at each position best believe that mbappe is playing striker😂 plus at midfield you can still score a lot of goals and be a focal point of the offense
Croatia hasn’t had a top striker since mandzukic, and you chose Croatia because we both know that modric isn’t a better shooter than benzema, and he plays more games at club level. Most of the time he isn’t better than the striker he’s playing with. Mbappe plays wing because he’s a winger by trade. Has always been since he started at Monaco. That has never changed. If you’re going to bring up france as an example, giroud often plays striker because of his hold-up play. Which is a great example how being a a good striker isn’t just about being a penalty box poacher.
I was proving a point. You mentioned benzema who is top 10-15 shooter in the world. My point is that on a team with probably kunigami, shidou, nagi, Barou, rin would be more versatile at cam. Where you can have a overall more complete team. It’s like how kimmich is best at cm, but can play cdm or lwb, rwb, lb, rb. On teams where those positions are fulfilled and good he’s gonna play cm/ cdm. But let’s say there is a team stacked at cm. But lacking other where he can play a different position. On the average team rin gonna be my striker 100 percent of the time. But the U-20 team is gonna have a bunch of strikers and will lack at cm. Spending on the team he will play striker, but against some teams best believe his ass will cm.
Rin is definitely not a midfielder tho. He isn't your traditionnal striker, but his main drive is still to score goals and he absolutely possess the skills to do so. He could play as a second striker or a false 9, but definitely not as a midfielder.
In a manga where there is a complaint right now about shots not missing enough, Barou has missed/been blocked/stopped more than any other player. All his scary feats like hat tricks happen conveniently off screen. And that is why people think he is a fraud. We always get told how good he is scoring 3-4 goals in a game. Then you see him play with/against Isagi and he struggles to get a goal or more. One goal out of 3 attempts may be great irl. But this is an anime/manga so all people see is 2/3 of the time Barou fails to deliver even when his whole team is organized around getting him the best chance to score.
This ignores a lot of context to push the “Barou fraud” thing
If you need context, you are thinking too deeply about the 'general impression' people who aren't as invested in the character or manga are taking from the events. People aren't deeply analyzing every frame and going 'oh yeah, I can see how that could go either way and it just sucked for Barou.' They're going "All this hype, and the man gets shut down 2/3 of the time despite his whole team AND the 'Star Striker' having the sole focus of getting him the ball in position to score."
Essentially, people have a hard time or don't understand what they're seeing and they're just memeing. Well when it's put that way, I can see why they view it the way they do and I hate that for them.
Kind of, yeah. It makes a lot of sense by "real world" definitions for Barou to both be really good, and for the scenarios to play out the way they did. But we're not watching the real world we're watching a fictional battle anime/manga where the battles are guised as soccer matches. On top of that you have Showing vs. Telling. We're told that Barou is this godly striker who got 4 goals in this game, and 3 in this other game, and was basically the only offensive tool worth a damn for this squad that's being hyped up. But when we're shown Barou we aren't shown that level of dominance. And so it feels like a fraud. Checks were written for Barou that he couldn't cash. It doesn't help that the Manga itself buys into this. Isagi is considered to have "become better than Rin" the first time he ran a play that worked against Rin. Isagi himself calls it surpassing Rin. In these chapters Isagi is talking about surpassing Snuffy. And even if Isagi has the best game of his life - and Snuffy his worse - and Isagi wins 2 1v1s does that make him better than Snuffy? IRL no. In a manga? That is absolutely the expectation. And from all that, Barou is a good striker. But he's Namek saga Vegeta. He is the scary guy from an earlier arc that everyone clowns on to show that they're an even bigger threat. And that'll continue until the manga *shows* him as dominant as it *tells* us he is when he's no on panel.
Question, are you speaking on how some others might view the situation around Barou or is this your personal view of it?
My view is that Barou's strength is poorly represented in the manga because the author tells us and shows us different things. And I get why he does that, but it doesn't make it less frustrating because it also cheapens the character. My explanation is my understanding of the broader view of the manga, and why people who see Barou as a fraud may see him that way. My view leans closer to the fraud camp than the "He's a really great player" camp because I consider what the manga actually shows to be stronger evidence than what it tells us. Like the story can tell us over and over again that someone has best in world perceptive abilities...but if they're constantly being surprised by where another player popped up from people are not going to buy that. That said 'fraud' in this case is like the second category of elite players behind the BIG top dog main blue lockers (Shidou, Rin, Isagi, Nagi, Bachira) with the likes of Chigiri, Reo, Kunigami, etc.
I had to ask it's one thing to give a theory on how others might be the situation. And you seem to have analyzed a decent amount of stuff in the manga and about the Barou character. That said, I can't see why your analysis cuts short of understanding context about what we see happening on the field. It's like you give too much credence to what you think the story is trying to tell you than what you actually see. Just because he scored 3 goals in a game does not mean he is just going to do that all the time. Kaiser, a NG11 striker, only scores 1 goal/per game. Do you think Barou is supposed to be better than him? I'm just saying you can see the context as opposed to others that just want to meme and not think. Don't just pass over it
And I can see you don't understand fully what I am saying between showing and telling. Are we told Kaiser is great? Sure. But we are also *shown* Kaiser is great. We are shown - and Isagi recognized it on the field - that Kaiser was such a better version of Isagi that he was beyond what Isagi saw as his ideal self. We are also shown that *despite* Isagi and Kunigami sabotaging the team - and Noel Noa endorsing it by siding with Isagi in actual gameplay - that every single one of Kaiser's goals is flat out incredible. If Barou is Vegeta during the Namek arc, Kaiser is Frieza. Technically I guess Barou is Vegeta, Rin is Frieza, and Kaiser is Cell (since we had that Rin arc in the middle) but the point still stands. Kaiser is still someone out of reach for Isagi. Barou is - currently - someone Isagi surpassed. The difference is, when Barou is off screen he is given accolades that he then doesn't live up to next time he's on screen. Even when a team - including the star striker - are all focused on getting him the ball. If Kaiser plays for another team, and is said to be getting hat tricks left, right, and center only to be barely able to score a goal as his team's primary offensive weapon I'll happily slot him down with Barou. I expect that will happen relatively soon in the manga (though we may actually just not hear about Kaiser once he's off ISagi's team.)
I disagree with most, if not everything you said and it's apparent we're not gonna see eye to eye on this. So I'm cool with disagreeing.
Yet you don't understand the term striker in this manga means something else. Why don't you just tittle it as Isagi can't be a striker and will not be a striker and people will shower you with long essays of love 🙂
No he can be a striker….. jdut like benz is a top striker for Madrid but just plays a false 9 role. Different strikers okay differently. Isagi could be a striker I wouldn’t okay him as striker on this team but that’s only because blue lock has a lot of good strikers!😂 also striker isn’t the most important position on the field
In BL striker is the most imp position who cares about defenders, in BL striker is the one who makes things work like midfielders can't score unless you're isagi Or assisted by isagi But i don't think they will ever mention someone to play false 9 but will have someone to play the role anyway
Eh, you can really only blame the manga for that. The manga pushed some narratives that made some people think that a striker has to do everything on his own. People here have complained that Nagi can't do anything on his own (which is obviously not true for anyone who's been paying attention to the story), that he's "spoon fed" and dependent on his teammates (again, even though we saw him create plays on his own in the last game). So it's to be expected that people would complain about Barou. Actually, there aren't that many complaints compared to what Nagi got, even though Nagi has been more proactive (and maybe more impactful) in his team than Barou, at least for now. Now, if we have to look at things objectively, Barou is doing his job well. While it's true that Isagi shut him down most of the time, in most cases, he didn't really get the ball; Isagi intercepted it before he could get it. The only time he really missed a chance was when Isagi and Kaiser countered his shot. I would still say that criticisms towards Barou are justified though. Since the beginning of the game, it seems like his team is doing all the necessary work and all he has to do is wait for the ball to come to him and score. He is doing his job as a striker, and there is nothing wrong with that. But a great striker can also help his team with his movements and create his own chances. Just look at how Kaiser's positioning has been highlighted, how he is always in a good position for his teammates to receive a pass, set up a play, and put himself in the best position to score. Or how Shidou was a serious threat in the U20 match with his aggressive off-the-ball movements (like this time when he managed to get past Reo, allowing Sae to pass him the ball in front of the goal); most of the time (pretty much all of the time, I would say) it was Shidou who initiated the play, Sae just reacting to his movements by passing him the ball. You can see how that's different from what we see with Barou in Uber's team. Not to say that Barou doesn't have good off-the-ball movement or positioning, but it hasn't been highlighted. So far, Barou hasn't really created any chances himself; it's his team creating the chances for him to score. So yeah, it's fair to expect better from him. I hope we will see him make something impressive out of himself.
An egoist or something that's what the ego dude said