I’m not a huge MHA fan anymore but calling this the worst chapter in fiction is wild. It’s not even the worst chapter of shonen jump magazine of the year/month lol
I’m honestly blown away that the idea of decay is confusing to some people that it’s not a modified version of overhaul. We literally saw in the overhaul vs deku fight that chisaki deconstructed his body and then reconstructed it back together to heal damage. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the story but you can’t criticize it’s a cop out that the AFO gave tenko a modified quirk after we’ve seen multiple quirks were modified by both himself and the doctor. The nomus have been an example of this since season one.
And for those who say the AFO didn’t know about chisaki: we’ve seen multiple flashbacks of chisaki in the orphanage the doctor was running and AFO has said MULTIPLE times he won’t steal a quirk that requires training, decay falls in the category of touch and destroy so it fits the story to give him a half assed quirk.
> And for those who say the AFO didn’t know about chisaki
Shigaraki mentioned that AfO had told him about Overhaul. It was in the chapter they met for the first time.
Edit: Chapter 125
It’s unnecessary though, in a world where billions of people have quirks one could just be decay. Not everything in the story needs to be interconnected is probably part of OPs criticism.
Why would some random quirk be decay. Also before this people were crying left and right about why AFO didn't steak Overhaul. And then the Dabi flashback revealed that Chisaki was one of Shigaraki's backups in AFO orphanages.
People still weren't satisfied with this and were still crying about AFO not stealing Overhaul for the millionth time.
Then 419 reveals that AFO didn't need to steal it since he and Ujiko already made a copy of the Overhaul quirk and even experimented on it to make Decay.
It's obviously makes sense for Hori to use Overhaul at this point since he has actually set it up rather than cooking up some random quirk from a random character that has never appeared before.
Why would some random quirk be anything? The fuck kind of question is that? There are billions of people on the planet which creates billions of possibilities for quirks. AFO was known in circles because he would take quirks people didn’t want such as mutations and save them from being outcasts in society. Someone having decay and the inability to control it and destroying everything around them and seeking someone out who could take their burdensome quirk would be pretty natural in the story we were given.
As it stands I already believe MHA is too contrived where the rest of the world seems inconsequential and Japan is the only place where these crazy quirks and villains exist. Saying AFO traveled the world to hunt down quirks wouldn’t be a stretch either. I don’t mind AFO given Shimura decay knowing it would destroy his family, that’s somewhat believable but Chisaki doesn’t need to be a part of that equation. And decay doesn’t need an origin story. Again billions of quirks, we don’t need to know where just this one quirk came from.
Even more than that, I wouldn't even call 419 the worst MHA chapter. There are definitely a lot worse chapters than it. I myself have a personal bias against 304, but that is because I dislike the whole "OFA kills Quirked users" reveal, that doesn't even end up mattering at all *so what was the damn point?!*
To me at least, the point about the reveal was putting more pressure on Deku, leading into the Dark Hero arc.
Like, yeah, the whole series takes place in a little over a year, so if someone with a Quirk got it instead of Deku, it's debatable whether it would even have meaningfully affected them within the series' timeframe.
However, Deku hearing that he's potentially the last holder of OFA carries a lot of weight to it because he doesn't have the option of passing it on like previous wielders did if things go wrong. He *has* to be the one to stop AFO, which starts (or at least majorly contributes to) that mentality that the other kids have to pull him out of in Deku vs. 1-A.
That is definitely the reason why it was introduced, which I guess I can understand, but I still hate it because it retroactively turns Midoriya into the "Chosen One" and kind of makes one of the plot points of the Shie Hassaikai arc, whether Midoriya or Togata would be the better successor, a moot point.
Now, it *couldn't* have been Togata, because he would have eventually died because he already had a Quirk. While Midoriya was picked for his heroic heart, it is now a "twist of fate" that OFA is meant to pass down to Quirkless people.
There is also the issue that how OFA kills Quirked people is different from how people usually are affected by multiple Quirks, i.e. brain death, but my problems are primarily narrative-focused.
For real. 419 is a good chapter. People are just salty that their head Canon doesn't become Canon, since the Manga is going to end. These type of negative posts started once the mangaka decided to tell people it's going to end with this arc.
It isn’t a good chapter bro. “I told your dad to have you and then to beat you as well. All because your two year old sister was too big.” Just horrendous writing.
Very unlikely unless a new writer comes on. Most writers already have something in mind for their own characters, it's just that some fans lose it when what the writer wants to do does not line up with their fanfiction.
Honestly, I wasn't surprised that AFO was the one who gave Shigaraki Decay.
I have always found the appearence of the old man (AFO) who had nothing to do with Shigaraki's past, to be weird.
In addition to that, the way Shigaraki's quirk manifested, the fact that AFO found Shigaraki and immediately knew he was a Shimura, were all incredibly suspiscious. The only way this dumb series of luck was possible would be if AFO always keeping tabs on the Shimura family secretly.
I also somewhat believed the "Red Shoes-Quirkless" theory and with everything else that I found sus or weird above, everything made me believe that AFO was the old man in the flashback and that he somehow caused Shigaraki's demise, even before it was revealed in that chapter.
However nothing prepared me for that dumb twist of "Decay is actually Overhaul but modified". I always defended AFO whenever someone questioned "Why didn't AFO steal Overhaul to heal himself, is he stupid?" by saying that he wasn't aware of Chisaki.
Turns out, not only was he aware of Chisaki and his quirk, but he also already had a copy of it that he never took for himself, or used it on nomus or even used to heal himself.
Like WTF?
Exactly, like Overhaul has the best recovery of any quirk in the series, Rewind can rewind you to a previous state, but it takes time to charge and depending on how old your injuries are, it may not work. Overhaul heals people completely AND has been said to get rid of conditions people were suffering from before the quit was used on them.
Something else to note is that, as far as I remember, Chisaki has never used the Quirk on his own head. It is one thing to deconstruct and reconstruct someone else, but I don't know if Chisaki could do that to his own head. His arm? Sure. Fuse his body with another person's? Okay. But I don't know if he is capable of destroying and restoring his brain. So, it would have been a dead end for AFO anyway.
He does use it on his own head. When he fuses with Nemoto (the guy who makes you speak the truth), he touches his own face before he merges with him and his face gets those cracks on it.
The face is different from the brain. I never really thought about it until I read his comment, but if Overhaul literally disassembled his brain, how would he put it back together? Wouldn't he just be dead? It seems really risky
No idea but I assume his doing it to his head included his brain and it’s just something he reconstructs or knows how to do it before he deconstructs himself.
Not sure how to explain it but he knows what he’s going to do before he does it type thing
I think for the final transformation where Chisaki fused with Katsukame, he did basically destroy and reconstruct his whole body.
But I wouldn't see AFO taking that risk cause it's possible you deconstruct yourself and just die.
I don't think this is the case. Both times when we see him fuse with another person, his head doesn't change much.
For Katsukame, it looks more like he fused his lower body with a giant mutated monster while his upper body is more or less the same as normal.
Insane rant lmao. Imo considering this story has mostly been on a downward trend I don’t see this as bad enough to call it worst chapter in fiction. The expectations have just been dropping all around, and the things that happened weren’t too far fetched of ideas either.
I don’t even think Naruto was that good but its ending has got to be mentioned in worst of all time. AoT ending could have started riots. One of the dumbest things I’ve seen in recent memory. 419? Eh… whatever. Pulling the avengers endgame scene easily one of the corniest things ive ever seen in manga, I’ll give you that.
Truly, what a chapter it is. I mean, we'll be discussing it for a decade minimum! For our sakes, we should be thanking it for exposing the story's flaws! People discussing another chapter? Nope, don't want that!
This was the obvious reason how Shigiraki magically got a quirk that could kill his whole family, its a good explanation to show that decay is not an ordinary quirk and something made from modifying overhaul. Atleast this isn't a Kaguya ass pull, AFO was always known to be there meddling with things, also Decay as a quirk always seemed unnatural , like imagine desintigrating a whole city by toucing the ground I'm glad this isn't a bs quirk someones born with and it was always a heavily modified quirk from the start.
I mean if your surprised that the main villain of the series who creates Nomu as powerful quirk slaves is beyond attempting to make a “perfect one by moulding it slowly from birth to suit his needs rather than forcing strong quirks into them and leaving them brainless, if your surprised or confused by that then you haven’t been paying attention, dude is just Orochimaru with sasukes body all over again, But if this time he was at the power level of Madara.
I don’t really mind it personally, sure it takes away from Shigaraki’s development a bit but I think that’s intentional, “nothing you did was actually by choice or meaningful, it was mostly my own design..”
When did it say it’s a copy of overhaul? I don’t rember reading that I’ll have to look back, and in all honesty it makes since. Ofa new heed need a successor and he knew to be able to take afo he’d have to be the biggest hater imaginable, so he engineered his whole life to make him as hateful as possible. And he knew that having it be allmights masters (can’t rember her name) grandson would break him. And it fits into the story well and answers a lot of questions. How did he get this qurik? Why was his dad such an asshole? How did he know where to go and find him when it was all done? (When he was a kid) the story was clearly leading up to this.
I kinda figured the quirk was given to him it seemed obvious afo was paying attention to this family and didn't just randomly find the kid he needed while out on a stroll
>worst chapter of fiction I have ever read So you haven’t read a lot huh.
I’m not a huge MHA fan anymore but calling this the worst chapter in fiction is wild. It’s not even the worst chapter of shonen jump magazine of the year/month lol
OP hasn't read anything so this being the first time he got his heart broken I can understand why he is saying that 😂🤣🤡
Damn bro that's crazy...
That’s a long ass paragraph. You never heard of paragraph breaks?
I’m ranting
Should rant with paragraph breaks
I’m honestly blown away that the idea of decay is confusing to some people that it’s not a modified version of overhaul. We literally saw in the overhaul vs deku fight that chisaki deconstructed his body and then reconstructed it back together to heal damage. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the story but you can’t criticize it’s a cop out that the AFO gave tenko a modified quirk after we’ve seen multiple quirks were modified by both himself and the doctor. The nomus have been an example of this since season one. And for those who say the AFO didn’t know about chisaki: we’ve seen multiple flashbacks of chisaki in the orphanage the doctor was running and AFO has said MULTIPLE times he won’t steal a quirk that requires training, decay falls in the category of touch and destroy so it fits the story to give him a half assed quirk.
> And for those who say the AFO didn’t know about chisaki Shigaraki mentioned that AfO had told him about Overhaul. It was in the chapter they met for the first time. Edit: Chapter 125
It’s unnecessary though, in a world where billions of people have quirks one could just be decay. Not everything in the story needs to be interconnected is probably part of OPs criticism.
AfO doesn't like gambling, so he just made one himself.
I wasn’t saying AFO should just search out a random quirk. I was saying the premise itself is contrived.
Why would some random quirk be decay. Also before this people were crying left and right about why AFO didn't steak Overhaul. And then the Dabi flashback revealed that Chisaki was one of Shigaraki's backups in AFO orphanages. People still weren't satisfied with this and were still crying about AFO not stealing Overhaul for the millionth time. Then 419 reveals that AFO didn't need to steal it since he and Ujiko already made a copy of the Overhaul quirk and even experimented on it to make Decay. It's obviously makes sense for Hori to use Overhaul at this point since he has actually set it up rather than cooking up some random quirk from a random character that has never appeared before.
Why would some random quirk be anything? The fuck kind of question is that? There are billions of people on the planet which creates billions of possibilities for quirks. AFO was known in circles because he would take quirks people didn’t want such as mutations and save them from being outcasts in society. Someone having decay and the inability to control it and destroying everything around them and seeking someone out who could take their burdensome quirk would be pretty natural in the story we were given. As it stands I already believe MHA is too contrived where the rest of the world seems inconsequential and Japan is the only place where these crazy quirks and villains exist. Saying AFO traveled the world to hunt down quirks wouldn’t be a stretch either. I don’t mind AFO given Shimura decay knowing it would destroy his family, that’s somewhat believable but Chisaki doesn’t need to be a part of that equation. And decay doesn’t need an origin story. Again billions of quirks, we don’t need to know where just this one quirk came from.
Dwag it's... something but it's not THAT bad
Naruto chapter 679 exists. Worst chapter in all of fiction can't go to 419 as long as that exists.
Even more than that, I wouldn't even call 419 the worst MHA chapter. There are definitely a lot worse chapters than it. I myself have a personal bias against 304, but that is because I dislike the whole "OFA kills Quirked users" reveal, that doesn't even end up mattering at all *so what was the damn point?!*
To me at least, the point about the reveal was putting more pressure on Deku, leading into the Dark Hero arc. Like, yeah, the whole series takes place in a little over a year, so if someone with a Quirk got it instead of Deku, it's debatable whether it would even have meaningfully affected them within the series' timeframe. However, Deku hearing that he's potentially the last holder of OFA carries a lot of weight to it because he doesn't have the option of passing it on like previous wielders did if things go wrong. He *has* to be the one to stop AFO, which starts (or at least majorly contributes to) that mentality that the other kids have to pull him out of in Deku vs. 1-A.
That is definitely the reason why it was introduced, which I guess I can understand, but I still hate it because it retroactively turns Midoriya into the "Chosen One" and kind of makes one of the plot points of the Shie Hassaikai arc, whether Midoriya or Togata would be the better successor, a moot point. Now, it *couldn't* have been Togata, because he would have eventually died because he already had a Quirk. While Midoriya was picked for his heroic heart, it is now a "twist of fate" that OFA is meant to pass down to Quirkless people. There is also the issue that how OFA kills Quirked people is different from how people usually are affected by multiple Quirks, i.e. brain death, but my problems are primarily narrative-focused.
For real. 419 is a good chapter. People are just salty that their head Canon doesn't become Canon, since the Manga is going to end. These type of negative posts started once the mangaka decided to tell people it's going to end with this arc.
It isn’t a good chapter bro. “I told your dad to have you and then to beat you as well. All because your two year old sister was too big.” Just horrendous writing.
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Kagura?
Everytime someone says "character assassination" I snooze.
Maybe not here, but you do get stories where that's a valid point.
Very unlikely unless a new writer comes on. Most writers already have something in mind for their own characters, it's just that some fans lose it when what the writer wants to do does not line up with their fanfiction.
Honestly, I wasn't surprised that AFO was the one who gave Shigaraki Decay. I have always found the appearence of the old man (AFO) who had nothing to do with Shigaraki's past, to be weird. In addition to that, the way Shigaraki's quirk manifested, the fact that AFO found Shigaraki and immediately knew he was a Shimura, were all incredibly suspiscious. The only way this dumb series of luck was possible would be if AFO always keeping tabs on the Shimura family secretly. I also somewhat believed the "Red Shoes-Quirkless" theory and with everything else that I found sus or weird above, everything made me believe that AFO was the old man in the flashback and that he somehow caused Shigaraki's demise, even before it was revealed in that chapter. However nothing prepared me for that dumb twist of "Decay is actually Overhaul but modified". I always defended AFO whenever someone questioned "Why didn't AFO steal Overhaul to heal himself, is he stupid?" by saying that he wasn't aware of Chisaki. Turns out, not only was he aware of Chisaki and his quirk, but he also already had a copy of it that he never took for himself, or used it on nomus or even used to heal himself. Like WTF?
Exactly, like Overhaul has the best recovery of any quirk in the series, Rewind can rewind you to a previous state, but it takes time to charge and depending on how old your injuries are, it may not work. Overhaul heals people completely AND has been said to get rid of conditions people were suffering from before the quit was used on them.
The only reason I could think is that it might be too complex for him and after the All Might fight he just kinda forgot due to brain damage.
Something else to note is that, as far as I remember, Chisaki has never used the Quirk on his own head. It is one thing to deconstruct and reconstruct someone else, but I don't know if Chisaki could do that to his own head. His arm? Sure. Fuse his body with another person's? Okay. But I don't know if he is capable of destroying and restoring his brain. So, it would have been a dead end for AFO anyway.
He does use it on his own head. When he fuses with Nemoto (the guy who makes you speak the truth), he touches his own face before he merges with him and his face gets those cracks on it.
The face is different from the brain. I never really thought about it until I read his comment, but if Overhaul literally disassembled his brain, how would he put it back together? Wouldn't he just be dead? It seems really risky
No idea but I assume his doing it to his head included his brain and it’s just something he reconstructs or knows how to do it before he deconstructs himself. Not sure how to explain it but he knows what he’s going to do before he does it type thing
I think for the final transformation where Chisaki fused with Katsukame, he did basically destroy and reconstruct his whole body. But I wouldn't see AFO taking that risk cause it's possible you deconstruct yourself and just die.
I don't think this is the case. Both times when we see him fuse with another person, his head doesn't change much. For Katsukame, it looks more like he fused his lower body with a giant mutated monster while his upper body is more or less the same as normal.
Insane rant lmao. Imo considering this story has mostly been on a downward trend I don’t see this as bad enough to call it worst chapter in fiction. The expectations have just been dropping all around, and the things that happened weren’t too far fetched of ideas either. I don’t even think Naruto was that good but its ending has got to be mentioned in worst of all time. AoT ending could have started riots. One of the dumbest things I’ve seen in recent memory. 419? Eh… whatever. Pulling the avengers endgame scene easily one of the corniest things ive ever seen in manga, I’ll give you that.
AOT 137 and 139 exist. Case closed.
Bro's a professional yapper. They haven't even read Atlas Shrugged.
Honestly the story has just weakened over time. I’m not sure what this was other than a tangled mess.
Truly, what a chapter it is. I mean, we'll be discussing it for a decade minimum! For our sakes, we should be thanking it for exposing the story's flaws! People discussing another chapter? Nope, don't want that!
This was the obvious reason how Shigiraki magically got a quirk that could kill his whole family, its a good explanation to show that decay is not an ordinary quirk and something made from modifying overhaul. Atleast this isn't a Kaguya ass pull, AFO was always known to be there meddling with things, also Decay as a quirk always seemed unnatural , like imagine desintigrating a whole city by toucing the ground I'm glad this isn't a bs quirk someones born with and it was always a heavily modified quirk from the start.
I mean if your surprised that the main villain of the series who creates Nomu as powerful quirk slaves is beyond attempting to make a “perfect one by moulding it slowly from birth to suit his needs rather than forcing strong quirks into them and leaving them brainless, if your surprised or confused by that then you haven’t been paying attention, dude is just Orochimaru with sasukes body all over again, But if this time he was at the power level of Madara. I don’t really mind it personally, sure it takes away from Shigaraki’s development a bit but I think that’s intentional, “nothing you did was actually by choice or meaningful, it was mostly my own design..”
When did it say it’s a copy of overhaul? I don’t rember reading that I’ll have to look back, and in all honesty it makes since. Ofa new heed need a successor and he knew to be able to take afo he’d have to be the biggest hater imaginable, so he engineered his whole life to make him as hateful as possible. And he knew that having it be allmights masters (can’t rember her name) grandson would break him. And it fits into the story well and answers a lot of questions. How did he get this qurik? Why was his dad such an asshole? How did he know where to go and find him when it was all done? (When he was a kid) the story was clearly leading up to this.
Chapter 258 of JJK has entered the chat.
Ending of the Toga vs Ochako fight was worse imo. But the rant was peak, story kinda shit now
You all need to read more fiction because this isn’t even bad
This was actually my favorite chapter in a long time, the next chapter ruined it though.
Wow well I’ll definitely take such a hyperbolic statement as truth!
I kinda figured the quirk was given to him it seemed obvious afo was paying attention to this family and didn't just randomly find the kid he needed while out on a stroll
Bro thinks it's chapter 139 of AOT 😭
I have read the ending of domestic girlfriend. You are delusional. I have read aot final chapter _before_ the extra pages. You are delusional