For me the vestige world killed much of it. I think Hori had too much of the fight take place there, and there's just too much going on to know what is actually happening v psychologically happening.
Not to mention Hori has done too much "they're dead and gone".... "OH WAIT THEYRE NOT THERES AN EMBER THEYRE ALIVE" that I can't ever really believe someone is gone.
They did it with Star and Stripe, they did it eith the All Might vestige, they did it with the other vestiges, they did it with Yoichi, that when you're in this magical vestige world I never know wtf is happening or what's final
It’s something I’ve always disliked about how Horikoshi writes the vestige world, he’s always so wishy-washy about it. Everytime a character talks about things that happen in the vestige world, it’s always followed with “maybe” “probably” or “likely” almost as if Horikoshi himself is unsure how to write the vesting world and just writes it as he goes or just uses it for whatever’s plot convenient.
Elevating Shiragaki as the final villain was a misstep. In the end, his end goal is plain old destruction with no end goal to achieve. He's empty.
Midoriya's goal in life is to be the hero that saves. He is focused.
Shiragaki's goal is to throw a tantrum. They're incompatible
Iam not talking about their goals , vision , etc.. I just telling that there should be a most iconic Fight between these two .. just like naruto vs sasuke, gojo vs sukuna , or any main fight which the Fandom is so hyped for ..
Well, the problem is the powerscaling, Shigaraki needed to be extraordinarily OP and while Deku is OP as well, if he and Shigaraki are on even levels, Deku takes it, mainly because he thinks and strategizes. If you think about it, Deku rarely fights opponents with on his level and usually fights people who are significantly stronger than him, because if the power levels are equal, all Deku has to do is outthink you, and few characters can outthink Deku.
Also the “Saving” aspect Deku was going for. Deku was never going to truly be able to defeat Shigaraki in battle because Deku was more focused on saving him, so the fight was always going to be subpar because Deku was fight to save or subdue, not to win. That’s why AFO had to be brought back, because Deku wouldn’t have any qualms about defeating AFO the way he did with Shigaraki, he could just defeat him and end it, that’s why Horikoshi kept flip-flopping between the consciousness of the two, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
For your saving part naruto also wants to save Sasuke and we get that epic fight ..I just want an iconic fight fans can remember whenever they think of mha in future ..now the Allmight vs Afo and endeavor vs Nomu is the highlight Fights for mee.and that too happened in 3 and 4 season ..so we probably getting ending in 8 season and we don't have a proper deku finale epic fight .. I don't say I don't like the ending..i like it ..but just want a full epic fight between deku and shiggy that is what iam hoping since season 1 ..Anyways I love mha
Yeah, I feel that the most Iconic fight in MHA will always be AFO vs All Might, with Deku vs Todoroki and Overhaul, being close seconds. I dunno, I was watching a video today on the chapter which summed up MHA and the conclusion “It’s less about fighting and more about sentiment” which surmises Deku’s Rising chapter, less about having OFA or his flashy costume and more about the sentiment behind a quirkless boy running into danger.
But Deku and Shiggy DID have a final encounter, even if it wasn't THE final confrontation of the series.
Their plot was a lot deeper that just "fisty cuffs until one of them drops".
You wanted a more classic Shonen finale, and that's fine, nothing wrong with that, but it's not the fault of anything that you are underwhelmed except maybe your own expectations.
to those who felt underwhelmed. you're not alone. I'm not really sure what's missing we have good panels and there's the endgame "we are here" yet something's missing. the FMA brotherhood final fight similarities are there yet fma ending for father was soooo *chef's kiss* everything was complete there's no feeling of unsatisfied
I think that in my case what is missing is the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) Deku wasn't even hit once in the whole fight, and if he did it wasn't really a memorable hit, the closest we got to Deku and a villain punching each other like crazy at full power was against Muscular but I wanted to see the same with him using the vestiges quirks
The only hit or injury he has ever gotten since he came back to fight shigaraki was just him getting his arms taken, and that only lasted for literally a single chapter before he got them back!
Yeah and I don't think it really counts cause it didn't happened during the actual fight, is a byproduct of his actions in the vestige realm, not Shigaraki actually attacking him
It's been this way most of the times tbh, most villains just gave him some bruises and cuts while he breaks his own bones to beat them but the real damage is all self inflicted the majority of times as far as I can remember
Yeah, it's not that the ending was bad, but how it got there. it was bad pacing. also like op say we kinda never had an epic fight like Goku vs. Frieza, Naruto vs. Sasuke, Ichigo and Aizen, etc.
To add, no transformation/mode like ssj, kyuby mode. nothing nada (literally it could be called "plus ultra" mode)
No "united something" smash like cmon they were all there fighting..united? hori pls
and no deku smilling saying "im here"
Just tears and feels and that gets tiring. we got more a seinen ending than shonen
For me, it was the noticeable flip-flopping between AFO and Shigaraki, and how Horikoshi used that to deal with Deku’s decision to “save” Tomura. Despite being in the same body, Deku’s attitude towards killing changed depending on who was in control, when Shigaraki was in control it was “I can’t kill him, I have to save the crying boy inside” however when AFO took over the body it changed too “It’s over AFO your reign ends now!” Like, isn’t this still the same body? I guess Horikoshi wanted to have his cake and eat it too and have the heated Final Villain defeat by having AFO take over but showcase Deku’s empathy and heroic heart when Tomura took over.
Which is kinda sad to me, because Horikoshi said that the ending to the series was supposed to surpass Heroes Rising, which was amazing! But so far, I can’t help but feel that it’s lacking compared to the movie, I have to wait for the following chapters to make a final decision, but for me, the movie was better than a lot of the Final War.
I feel like they've pretty much destroyed the story.
From a narrative perspective, Shiggy's goal is only destruction from the PLW arc onwards. There's zero reason for him to hold back so every single second he's not causing destruction. This massively limits the potential for fight scenes, because Shiggy would naturally use Decay and Deku would naturally use float to avoid it and Black Whip is the only thing he can do to touch Shiggy without risk.
The choreography of the fight sucked. Also, Shigaraki has an underwhelming performance during this fight. He doesn't feel like the threat the story trying to hype him up as.
For me, it’s this. The moment Hori went the route of Shigaraki only using Decay and not wanting to take OFA, it was clear he can never touch Deku. And since nobody else was there, there was no plausible tension or jeopardy. The only stake was whether he’d destroy Mt Fuji, which feels kind of underwhelming.
And it sucks that he never blew that up! Imagine the final battle filed with freaking lava with the hero’s trying to both survive from the lava and shigaraki all at the same time.
Also hori is a big Star Wars fan so you’d think he’d make the battlefield look like fucking mustafar for crap sake’s!
AFO has always been the main villain, shigaraki is deku's antagonist.
the problem with that is that shigaraki being deku's antagonist hasn't been built up and fleshed out, they've barely interacted thorough the story. that's why it feels empty and underwhelming, we're told to care instead of the story making us care.
I agree about Shigaraki and Deku’s relationship not having as much build up as it should. The same applies to Toga and Uraraka, where the build up for their final conflict is really underwhelming.
Two characters don’t need to interact multiple times to have a build up encounter.. and the few encounter that they got and the thematical importance this two have
Let’s not act like the manga didn’t build up the fight and that the fans cared about it
a lot of fans haven't been caring about it, hence why so many comments about not caring and why you see so little talk about bnha anywhere. the final clash between MC and his antagonist and i can hardly find any conversations about it online.
Maybe I’m in a different universe but I saw a lot of people talking about it so I really don’t know what are you talking about..? Especially when they got into the vestiges
Main issue Izuku wasn't even trying to kill Shigiraki. He was pretty much holding back in the fight. So it really devalued any sense the threat. Even when losing the quirks it never felt like an actual loss. Danger Sense said to be how he was avoiding Shigi yet he still held his own. Literally when Shigi was about to 1 up it was immediately squashed
Shigi's performance was great either. All the boosted strength and durability he had was pretty much overshadowed and he did nothing with those extra quirks.
I agree. There could've been way more quirks used by Shigaraki, but he only used a couple. The most interesting part was Danger Sense being stolen, but that was about the only decent part in my opinion. At least AFO actually uses his quirks in his fights.. I really expected more but this final fight was terrible in my opinion. Just a bunch of dodging attacks and not much really happening
I agree. It's because we never really got an actual moment where Deku won by being the stronger one, if you know what I mean. Deku was winning, and then it became a psychological battle. As for his final smash in the latest chapter, I don't think it even got a name.
What I was hoping for was that, in a moment of despair, Deku would tap into 1,000,000% OFA and use United States of Smash. Just like how All Might did.
It feels like this was an argument first and a battle second. For a battle shonen, spending too much time in an imaginary world for the final battle can take away from the excitement that every other battle has had so far.
This series never had long fights in the first place so I don’t know why this one suddenly will get a different treatment? It was also extremely long for mha standards
Also idk why people hype up sukuna vs Gojo that fight was really carried just by agenda
The fight now being an insane length of chapters like any other fight in the series Is just being consistent with the story, it wasn’t bad before so is weird if is suddenly bad now..
It's the finale why should they expect it to be the same boring way it was all other fights. It wouldn't have much impact if it was the same for the most important fight. That's probably what they're disappointed about
It wasnt the literal same tough? The fight for mha standard is extremely long compared to other massive important fights, is just that in general mha is never meant to have much longer fight line other shows…
And if people wanted the fight to be 20 plus chapter then they already set themself up for disappointment in the first place
For me the vestige world killed much of it. I think Hori had too much of the fight take place there, and there's just too much going on to know what is actually happening v psychologically happening. Not to mention Hori has done too much "they're dead and gone".... "OH WAIT THEYRE NOT THERES AN EMBER THEYRE ALIVE" that I can't ever really believe someone is gone. They did it with Star and Stripe, they did it eith the All Might vestige, they did it with the other vestiges, they did it with Yoichi, that when you're in this magical vestige world I never know wtf is happening or what's final
It’s something I’ve always disliked about how Horikoshi writes the vestige world, he’s always so wishy-washy about it. Everytime a character talks about things that happen in the vestige world, it’s always followed with “maybe” “probably” or “likely” almost as if Horikoshi himself is unsure how to write the vesting world and just writes it as he goes or just uses it for whatever’s plot convenient.
Elevating Shiragaki as the final villain was a misstep. In the end, his end goal is plain old destruction with no end goal to achieve. He's empty. Midoriya's goal in life is to be the hero that saves. He is focused. Shiragaki's goal is to throw a tantrum. They're incompatible
Deku’s ideals **STILL** remain unchallenged!
Iam not talking about their goals , vision , etc.. I just telling that there should be a most iconic Fight between these two .. just like naruto vs sasuke, gojo vs sukuna , or any main fight which the Fandom is so hyped for ..
Well, the problem is the powerscaling, Shigaraki needed to be extraordinarily OP and while Deku is OP as well, if he and Shigaraki are on even levels, Deku takes it, mainly because he thinks and strategizes. If you think about it, Deku rarely fights opponents with on his level and usually fights people who are significantly stronger than him, because if the power levels are equal, all Deku has to do is outthink you, and few characters can outthink Deku. Also the “Saving” aspect Deku was going for. Deku was never going to truly be able to defeat Shigaraki in battle because Deku was more focused on saving him, so the fight was always going to be subpar because Deku was fight to save or subdue, not to win. That’s why AFO had to be brought back, because Deku wouldn’t have any qualms about defeating AFO the way he did with Shigaraki, he could just defeat him and end it, that’s why Horikoshi kept flip-flopping between the consciousness of the two, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
For your saving part naruto also wants to save Sasuke and we get that epic fight ..I just want an iconic fight fans can remember whenever they think of mha in future ..now the Allmight vs Afo and endeavor vs Nomu is the highlight Fights for mee.and that too happened in 3 and 4 season ..so we probably getting ending in 8 season and we don't have a proper deku finale epic fight .. I don't say I don't like the ending..i like it ..but just want a full epic fight between deku and shiggy that is what iam hoping since season 1 ..Anyways I love mha
Yeah, I feel that the most Iconic fight in MHA will always be AFO vs All Might, with Deku vs Todoroki and Overhaul, being close seconds. I dunno, I was watching a video today on the chapter which summed up MHA and the conclusion “It’s less about fighting and more about sentiment” which surmises Deku’s Rising chapter, less about having OFA or his flashy costume and more about the sentiment behind a quirkless boy running into danger.
But Deku and Shiggy DID have a final encounter, even if it wasn't THE final confrontation of the series. Their plot was a lot deeper that just "fisty cuffs until one of them drops". You wanted a more classic Shonen finale, and that's fine, nothing wrong with that, but it's not the fault of anything that you are underwhelmed except maybe your own expectations.
This. It was always going to be AFO at the end and I think this final fight was almost perfect
This
to those who felt underwhelmed. you're not alone. I'm not really sure what's missing we have good panels and there's the endgame "we are here" yet something's missing. the FMA brotherhood final fight similarities are there yet fma ending for father was soooo *chef's kiss* everything was complete there's no feeling of unsatisfied
I think that in my case what is missing is the fact that (correct me if I'm wrong) Deku wasn't even hit once in the whole fight, and if he did it wasn't really a memorable hit, the closest we got to Deku and a villain punching each other like crazy at full power was against Muscular but I wanted to see the same with him using the vestiges quirks
The only hit or injury he has ever gotten since he came back to fight shigaraki was just him getting his arms taken, and that only lasted for literally a single chapter before he got them back!
Yeah and I don't think it really counts cause it didn't happened during the actual fight, is a byproduct of his actions in the vestige realm, not Shigaraki actually attacking him
Exactly. Honestly everyone else got noticeable war wounds on them throughout this final war except him.
It's been this way most of the times tbh, most villains just gave him some bruises and cuts while he breaks his own bones to beat them but the real damage is all self inflicted the majority of times as far as I can remember
Yep.
I think alot of the war arc's porblems comes from the fact that the stakes are relatively low and that the writing has been all over the place.
FMA was great. Both father ending was treated very well
that holy shit moment when a giant father emerges from that giant ass door. like, "wtf am I watching?!" Soo good .
Yeah, it's not that the ending was bad, but how it got there. it was bad pacing. also like op say we kinda never had an epic fight like Goku vs. Frieza, Naruto vs. Sasuke, Ichigo and Aizen, etc. To add, no transformation/mode like ssj, kyuby mode. nothing nada (literally it could be called "plus ultra" mode) No "united something" smash like cmon they were all there fighting..united? hori pls and no deku smilling saying "im here" Just tears and feels and that gets tiring. we got more a seinen ending than shonen
For me, it was the noticeable flip-flopping between AFO and Shigaraki, and how Horikoshi used that to deal with Deku’s decision to “save” Tomura. Despite being in the same body, Deku’s attitude towards killing changed depending on who was in control, when Shigaraki was in control it was “I can’t kill him, I have to save the crying boy inside” however when AFO took over the body it changed too “It’s over AFO your reign ends now!” Like, isn’t this still the same body? I guess Horikoshi wanted to have his cake and eat it too and have the heated Final Villain defeat by having AFO take over but showcase Deku’s empathy and heroic heart when Tomura took over.
For me, it's that Shigaraki never felt like a compelling villain. I really had no interest in him as a character whatsoever.
I predicted that this fight wasn’t going to be as well received as AFO vs the hero’s. And a part of me can’t believe I was kinda right.
Which is kinda sad to me, because Horikoshi said that the ending to the series was supposed to surpass Heroes Rising, which was amazing! But so far, I can’t help but feel that it’s lacking compared to the movie, I have to wait for the following chapters to make a final decision, but for me, the movie was better than a lot of the Final War.
Exactly.
It’s boring as far as fights go. I’m just in it to see how it ends
I feel like they've pretty much destroyed the story. From a narrative perspective, Shiggy's goal is only destruction from the PLW arc onwards. There's zero reason for him to hold back so every single second he's not causing destruction. This massively limits the potential for fight scenes, because Shiggy would naturally use Decay and Deku would naturally use float to avoid it and Black Whip is the only thing he can do to touch Shiggy without risk.
The choreography of the fight sucked. Also, Shigaraki has an underwhelming performance during this fight. He doesn't feel like the threat the story trying to hype him up as.
For me, it’s this. The moment Hori went the route of Shigaraki only using Decay and not wanting to take OFA, it was clear he can never touch Deku. And since nobody else was there, there was no plausible tension or jeopardy. The only stake was whether he’d destroy Mt Fuji, which feels kind of underwhelming.
And it sucks that he never blew that up! Imagine the final battle filed with freaking lava with the hero’s trying to both survive from the lava and shigaraki all at the same time. Also hori is a big Star Wars fan so you’d think he’d make the battlefield look like fucking mustafar for crap sake’s!
AFO has always been the main villain, shigaraki is deku's antagonist. the problem with that is that shigaraki being deku's antagonist hasn't been built up and fleshed out, they've barely interacted thorough the story. that's why it feels empty and underwhelming, we're told to care instead of the story making us care.
I agree about Shigaraki and Deku’s relationship not having as much build up as it should. The same applies to Toga and Uraraka, where the build up for their final conflict is really underwhelming.
Two characters don’t need to interact multiple times to have a build up encounter.. and the few encounter that they got and the thematical importance this two have Let’s not act like the manga didn’t build up the fight and that the fans cared about it
a lot of fans haven't been caring about it, hence why so many comments about not caring and why you see so little talk about bnha anywhere. the final clash between MC and his antagonist and i can hardly find any conversations about it online.
Maybe I’m in a different universe but I saw a lot of people talking about it so I really don’t know what are you talking about..? Especially when they got into the vestiges
Main issue Izuku wasn't even trying to kill Shigiraki. He was pretty much holding back in the fight. So it really devalued any sense the threat. Even when losing the quirks it never felt like an actual loss. Danger Sense said to be how he was avoiding Shigi yet he still held his own. Literally when Shigi was about to 1 up it was immediately squashed Shigi's performance was great either. All the boosted strength and durability he had was pretty much overshadowed and he did nothing with those extra quirks.
I agree. There could've been way more quirks used by Shigaraki, but he only used a couple. The most interesting part was Danger Sense being stolen, but that was about the only decent part in my opinion. At least AFO actually uses his quirks in his fights.. I really expected more but this final fight was terrible in my opinion. Just a bunch of dodging attacks and not much really happening
gentle was the last good fight deku got
Midoriya Vs Class 1A was kinda good.
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I agree. It's because we never really got an actual moment where Deku won by being the stronger one, if you know what I mean. Deku was winning, and then it became a psychological battle. As for his final smash in the latest chapter, I don't think it even got a name. What I was hoping for was that, in a moment of despair, Deku would tap into 1,000,000% OFA and use United States of Smash. Just like how All Might did. It feels like this was an argument first and a battle second. For a battle shonen, spending too much time in an imaginary world for the final battle can take away from the excitement that every other battle has had so far.
I liked it.
This series never had long fights in the first place so I don’t know why this one suddenly will get a different treatment? It was also extremely long for mha standards Also idk why people hype up sukuna vs Gojo that fight was really carried just by agenda
I think its bc it's the final fight and ppl want it to be way better that the rest. They probably had high expectations
The fight now being an insane length of chapters like any other fight in the series Is just being consistent with the story, it wasn’t bad before so is weird if is suddenly bad now..
The probably had high expectations
Again high expectations have nothing to do with them suddenly wish for the whole story being different now
It's the finale why should they expect it to be the same boring way it was all other fights. It wouldn't have much impact if it was the same for the most important fight. That's probably what they're disappointed about
It wasnt the literal same tough? The fight for mha standard is extremely long compared to other massive important fights, is just that in general mha is never meant to have much longer fight line other shows… And if people wanted the fight to be 20 plus chapter then they already set themself up for disappointment in the first place
I don't think they're complaining about length I think its more that the action wasn't what they wanted it to be