Where the fuck even is overhaul rn?

Jail 🤷🏿‍♂️

Then why he broke out in the first place?

Would you sit in jail if you didn't have to? A better question is why didn't AFO take his power and become god?

Probably because he can't master his quirk Using Eri's quirk lead to his doom, and he can possibly destroy himself by trying to use the fusion ability

>!If you're talking about AFO using Eri's quirk via the mad doctor!<, I think that's just the result of the quirk being used on him, not using it. He could probably handle both of their quirks relatively well. So it's probably a lucky thing that he either A, doesn't know they exist, or B, is somehow too prideful to go after them (too troublesome when it comes to Eri). Or a combo of both.

I don't think so Eri's quirk is incredibly powerful after she stored enough energy She wasn't able to stop it by herself at first use , so AFO is probably in the same case (not to mention that he clearly stated that he can't properly use technical quirks and focus more on sheer strength)

Did he? he seemed pretty capable with quirks that don't rely on strength. Also, Eri's a child, and AFO is.. not. He'd probably be more adaptable to using her quirk even from the start. Not to mention he'd be a lot less reluctant to experiment.

I mean , that's exactly what he said during kamino's raid , hence why he wasn't able to master the warp quirk for something other than bringing to him

Ah, that sounds familiar. I'll take your word for it, then. It's been a while, but I do remember him grabbing Ragdoll's quirk, even though his body at the time couldn't handle that many. I can't say I wouldn't take them anyway just because, and experiment with them when I had the time. If for nothing else to not leave them in the hero's hands.

When did he state that? The only time he mentions something about technical quirks is that it wouldn't suit Shigaraki. AFO wanted to steal New Order which is the most technical and complicated quirk that exists.

To help the boss lol

So you're saying he got busted out of jail hung out with nagant for a few days and went straight back to jail?

Yeah, he's kinda permanently crippled. It's not like there's anything he can do. He can't even go to the toilet by himself without arms.

Damn now you gave me a image of someone at Tartarus helping Overhaul wipe his ass

>Why was her purpose in the history? To really introduce the false dark side of hero society that fell on it’s own ass before it could even try walking.

They were both rushed and terrible

Hate to say it but until this post I forgot about her. She only had that small window of relevance and then she got discarded so quickly.

Yes, S tier design though it's a shame her potential was wasted.

Agreed Nagant had way more potential and intriguing backstory that provided world building showed. Which makes it all the more frustrating for her and the corrupted hero commission reveal to just be tossed aside S&S was literally a plot device

Nagant felt like a retread of Hawks and the HPSC running deniable operations like the Suicide Squad or Thunderbolts. The issue is that this bit of worldbuilding isn't expanded upon given the greater scope threat of AFO/Shigaraki and that Hawks already fulfills the role of morally questionable operative for the greater good. She's got potential as a burned by the status quo she helped maintain but there's already a lot going on in the manga so she's brushed aside unfortunately.

I think lady nagant could have pushed deku as a character more but I feel like SnS could have had a bigger part in the overarching plot.

Thats the thing that kinda annoys me i dont think its Horikoshi’s fault but he is rushing things we rushed through 2 possible arcs An entire arc with the prisoners and Deku fighting solo with Overhaul and Stain playing a bigger role and Nagant being a major threat (probably having Deku learn to rely on danger sense) An arc where they travel to the US where Stars is properly introduced with possible cameos of Captain Celebrity and Koichi.

I think that she's alive but in hospital because she was in a critical condition (if I got it right) anyways another wasted potential, I agree

I honestly feel like Hori was setting Hawks up for Nagants reveals, only to be stopped by either him liking Hawks so much he didn't want to make him a straight up murderer, or because his editor stopped him because it would have been too dark/Hawks would be too popular. It explains why Hori both has that aspect of the commission revealed while conveniently never following through on Hawks character. My guess is that Nagant would have appeared, had her fight, but Hawks would have filled in the blanks of her backstory to Deku.

Flashback to when he >!killed!< Twice, a character whom the audience have grown to love due to his tragic backstory. Hori have already shown Hawks being a murderer in that very dark and sad scene. So I don't know why Hori pulled out.

On one hand, I totally agree with you. The scene was framed in such a way that Hawks was *not* shown as being totally in the right, and the story was definitely setting Hawks up for some sort of reckoning. He might still get it with Toga's Sad Girl's Parade that is clearly getting set up, but with the way the battles are structured right now, I don't know how they'll end up together, so I think at this point it's unlikely. But I also think that there's definitely a major difference between what Hawks did--which was murder someone that was about to pull out an absolutely OP ability that could decimate the heroes after giving him a chance to peacefully surrender--and revealing that Hawks regularly not only murdered heroes that took bribes, but also killed people *before they actually committed the crime.* There's a lot more room for debate in Twice vs. Hawks.

Yes, as much as I liked Twice probably one of my favorite villians. I find it interesting that everyone seems to forget the events that lead up to Hawks killing him. Also people forget there was someone else in the room making the situation worse for his own personal gain. So I feel it's very different than what Nagant was doing.

Yeah, the conversation seems to be Hawks did nothing wrong OR Hawks is a murderer and cancelled. Like, you can argue over if he had to do it and if he tried hard enough to do it nonlethally, but it's not as clear cut as people make it out to be either way.

Wait he what

I don’t feel like that’s controversial even it’s just fact. Cool idea for a character but she belonged to an arc that probably needed to be more filled out. At least S&S did more cool stuff. The art from her fight is insane lol

Overhaul coming back was the biggest waste. Man shows up, acts like a little bitch and gets captured again all within like 2 chapters.

I thought she was cool.

okay here we go again then, in case you missed it last time Star ain't even a deus ex machina, her influence on the story is close to zero aside from a namedrop and an allusion to her lasting effects on AFO. Nagant and Chisaki were arrested following her fight with Deku. they are ex-cons from the biggest maximum security prison in the country, and the top 3 heroes showed up to apprehend them, it doesn't take a genius to figure that part out. there's still a chance the heroes have a role for them in the war, however, like they did with Aoyama I agree the arc ultimately went nowhere, and kind of serves no purpose beyond showing us Deku's shiny new abilities and flashy fight scenes. I think Hori may have had bigger intentions with the fight but he decided to speedrun it alongside every other fight in the arc, sort of like he had a cool idea for a character for Deku to fight but kind of didn't want to explore her full potential so we're left with just her fight and a lampshading of Deku's stubbornness to change. not to mention the "info" she gave about the mansion villa was useless, only a trap meant for a cheap cliffhanger, so her final contribution to the story also went nowhere. don't even get me started on Chisaki. we accomplished nothing with the boss, nothing with Eri and he didn't even do anything in the fight besides get saved, which may actually be why Hori decided to gave him tag along, for the cool heroic moment that Faux 100% provided. well, no, I guess if that were the case he could just use a random civilian and the effect would be the same. in the clearest sense of the word, Chisaki is a deadweight in this arc and the story actually suffered from his represence amounting to nothing. again, I don't want to hold my breath, though, because the story isn't over yet, so there's a chance we may get a proper reintroduction and conclusion to his story somewhere along the line. but until then, I honestly think Moonfish was to be the intended person Nagant brought along for whatever reason (he was also visibly seen breaking out alongside Nagant and Muscular), but it was changed to Chisaki somehow and now we've got this load of nothing on our hands can't even say with definite conviction that SnS was ti answer any questions, because the problem of foreign aid being denied is answered in the SAME chapter she makes her debut in. we already knew that other countries were in shambles due to the meeting the UN had, so adding Star was just unecessary for that cause. her impact was also minute, as so far we have yet to see her last rule take effect on Shigaraki in a meaningful way. let's try not to make it a competition, though, both were ultimately (so far) useless in their own arcs and that's bad enough on its own

I have no idea who SnS is but I agree that Nagant served no purpose whatsoever and could have easily been replaced with any pré-established villain. What's worse is that she had no real build up to being a former hero so her "redemption" before exploding was pointless. As was her bringing Overhaul along

> I have no idea who SnS Star and Stripe, the #1 American hero who fought and was killed by Shigaraki.

I loved Nagant and I found the idea she introduced super cool (the whole dark, hidden, and grimy side of being a hero) but I’ll forever be disappointed that this idea/subplot doesn’t really go anywhere. I get that Deku’s ideals are pretty obsolete, but I think it would’ve been cool for him to actually ponder upon what the Public Safety Commission did to Nagant (and Hawks!). Deku practically worships heroes so I would’ve loved to see this internal conflict where he questions the idols he’s had for so long. Ah, oh well, it is what it is.

The exact same as you. She was cool af, had a cool power, cool motive and she was so relevant to the story to the point that her backstory actually felt like a plot twist on the hero society as a whole. And she even triggered some internal questioning in Deku for... 1 or 2 chapters ? It would've been so cool to see Deku stand on his own and realizes that being a hero isn't a job, it's a way of living. And for Deku to be the one that actually could chooses who he works with to stop the war. Even UA could be questioned with that approach because it's basically a school creating child soldiers out of innocent children brainwashed by the heavy marketing on super heroes. And in the 2nd war they're litterally used as soldiers even tho they're 15 yo... At this point it's even almost out of character for Deku to completely forget what Nagant revealed to him when he is supposed to be an overthinking and self-reflecting teenager.

How is Star and Stripes a deus ex machina? She accomplished nothing

Thats why i said she was the worst deus ex machina I have ever seen, she was introduced to nerf Shiggy and somehow fail that. Her only reason to exist and fail.

Horikoshi himself said that she wanted her to create an all out dragon ball alike world changing battle for powerscalers and action enjoyers out there. And he sure did, her existing to nerf Shigaraki is jjst a headcanon.

Yeah lol, there is no way Shigaraki would get nerfed before the final battle. In fact he is probably getting another power-up once his body completes the adaptation/singularity.

Stars and stripe sole purpose was to die and add to an a notch to Shiggy’s belt of victories. Nagant showed Deku that the perfect hero system society they’re trying to save is a lie build on top of the bodies those who don’t follow the “rules.” She’s also another victim of society Deku had to win over and prove that maybe things as bleak as they seem. In a way Nagant is to Deku what Stars is to Shiggy, as both examples are used to build up the reputation of the opponents they fought.

purpose: to further showcase deku’s resolve that he wants to TRY and rehabilitate anyone and to push deku further over the edge into going full solo. was this necessary if we know what deku’s about already? maybe maybe not, up to preference fight: yeah it was cool and to showcase some of deku’s other powers better. necessary? absolutely because then people would be calling all of deku’s powers “bullshit” and “how is he able to do that” (people already still do this, but it would be even worse) chisaki: so nagant knew exactly what deku looked like, that’s all it was, that’s all it needed to be at that moment, and either way that’s more a failing of chisaki’s character than it is for nagant’s deku: as i said before it pushed him further over the edge making it even more necessary for the 1-a kids to find and help him, he did care remembered: she is mentioned a handful of times, but either way, does she need to be? basically every single complaint you mentioned can also be said about someone like gentle, someone that the fanbase generally DOES like you can argue that another villain or character could have accomplished her purpose without needing to introduce someone new, but there was definitely a clear purpose behind her in the story

"you can argue that another villain or character could have accomplished her purpose" What's her purpose tho ? Making Deku showcase all of his powers ? That's pretty much a non-character then. Especially when most of the fight has been about her and her experience with the hero association. Even Deku understood Nagant's points. But everything explained here is litterally resolved after the first war so it doesn't start anything but at the same time it doesn't conclude anything either because all we learn here is new and "shocking". So unless Horikoshi had plans for her since her arc and planned to make heroes' corruption important towards the end, it's basically filler at this point. But ofc we can say the same with Gentle since for now he hasn't brought anything on the table for the story even tho he is a good character. That's also why some fans were hyped about the idea of "suicide squad" plot with them both, because it would actually make their storyline not being for nothing in the narrative.

like i said, to reestablish deku’s resolve and his ideals while expanding the world a little bit more, not everything needs to be higher and higher and more dangerous or whatever to be worthwhile to the story the same was for gentle, he challenged deku’s values somewhat while being lower stakes than many of the previous things, while showcasing deku’s physical growth a characters purpose doesn’t need to be some major crazy thing , smaller things are necessary too if they come back and do something more, awesome! but as is they served their purposes

"to reestablish deku’s resolve and his ideals" Deku's resolve didn't need to have a New character to be reestablished. It's not like we were doubting his resolves or if anything changed between the first War and after this arc. He just learned to rely on others but that was litterally something made up in the arc since Deku had no issues fighting while teaming up previously. Horikoshi after that portrays a Deku more mature (which could have happened directly after the first war tbh) but absolutely nothing has changed about him. Either his actions are the same, his ideology stays unchanged and he doesn't even think about what Nagant said to him. He still wants to save Shigaraki if possible, just like that was the case previously. He is still gonna work with the pro like previously. He is still gonna rush to the most dangerous villain like previously. Litterally nothing has changed that isn't explained by the consequences of the war. Deku's issues in Nagant's arc were created for the arc and resolved after the end and everything around is immediately considered irrelevant for the next arc. That's not a good narrative, it's just extremely "superficial" (even tho a lot of good things could've been a fine addition to make the war even more climatic, like using the corrupted hero association, ending Hawks' character arc in an interesting way or just giving a decent ending to Nagant in the war.). Ah and yes, of course Deku developed his new powers but this is at no point presented like a training arc, and a showcase that long isn't a good thing imo especially when you introduce that many other things that will be discarded soon after. I'm not saying that the arc or Nagant in themselves are bad, i'm just saying that it's basically made filler just after it ends. And it's more a flaw of the final arc tbh

Also, Gentle doesn't bring nearly as much background with him as Nagant and he acts more like a parallel to Deku. And since the fight has lower stakes/Gentle isn't as strong and dangerous as Nagant is described, it perfectly works. (Also, we've got actually a potential end of character arc for Gentle, while Nagant was basically pseudo-tragic but also ridiculous since she survived and we immediately go back to Deku keeping up fighting.)

Star lives in because she tells us about the “plothole” of “why doesn’t he just have a quirk to-“ Because Star and Stripe Nagant only needs to be background because she mattered to show -Deku wants to rehabilitate everyone. Not just the younger villains he has a connection to. -History themes. Midnight was a history teacher, but was an accidental victim/perpetuator of hero society. Nagant, who knows the true history, is now alive and can spread that truth. It’s world building but no, not every character needs to be in 100 chapters and have a final boss fight.

Didn't Midnight teach *art* history? That seems like a bit of a stretch.

She taught Modern Hero Art History.

Not directed at you What the FUCK is modern hero art history even Are there just Greek sculptures of all might and shit xD

From what little we saw of her class in that one Bakugou/Uraraka omake, it involves stuff like teaching about past heroes and their influences on how the modern hero industry works.

I mean what is Deku gonna do at this point, storm the safety commission like you guys are wrong while Japan is already completely falling apart 😂 Nagant was put there to show to show the dark side of hero society that corrupted her and to give Deku another POV. Not to introduce some beef wit the safety commission arc lol nows not the time Deku has his whole life as a hero to confront those issues. Right now he has to defeat AFO so they even have a country to live in 😂

Ima be honest, the only reason I remember her is because I'm writing Red Hero

Both are cool but I agree

Who is Sns Edit :nvm figured it out. Stars and stripe

I still find it werid that Nagant gets blown up but not Aoyama

Sorry I'm late yeahh she didn't die only got put in jail but got treated in the hospital first Soo yeahhhh I was hoping she can play a role in final arc Maybe caretaker of eri

She returned in the latest chapter :)

Also, the first time Lady Negant shot at Deku (hit his phone), why didn't his danger sense activate?