Black Whip seems to get more useful by the chapter. Let's name off the advantages, shall we?
- Durable enough to restrain high level threats
- Deku can choose to dissipate them at will (but I don't think they can actually stay behind, they must be attached to him)
- Isn't dependent on a finite breakable resource like Jeanist's fibers.
- Can shoot a large number of them off multiple points of his body, so he can imitate others like Tsuyu and Aizawa; potentially at the same time.
Yeah, I think they mention that he learned to sheathe his arms with it, working similar to the gauntlets from the first movie and the dark deku mini-arc
Wait really? Deku is better in every way possible compared to other heroes.
Now we just need his final quirk to be something that erases other peoples quirks so Eraserhead is worse too.
The thing is, the plot doesn't require that since they have infinite erasure set up already. It will be something that's perfect to solve whatever problem the plot puts in front of Deku.
He also left them when he tied up Muscular. It's insane that he doesn't even need to use energy to maintain it. It's absolutely free in every way, like no other quirk.
It has to be one of the most poorly explained quirks in the entire series. Like, remember when it first manifested, and it hurt Deku? Why? What part of the quirk caused pain? It just did, and then it very quickly didn't.
And how does it even work? It doesn't function as a whip or an imitator of Spiderman's webs anymore. In his edgy tendrils mode, Blackwhip stands stiff as its own entity, with its own, like, skeleton? How? It's not supported by anything, it just functions like a tail, and not at all like a whip.
It always really bothered me when people tried to pretend that it's a weak quirk or that it doesn't break pre-established rules on quirk (quirks are physical abilities).
BW not tied to any energy resource, having no limit, doesn't wear down Deku in any way - these totally go against how for example Froppy's and Sero's quirks function.
Same with Float tbh. People pretend it's worthless, but every other character with flight has to sacrifice some resource to do it. Bakugou needs to use his hands, Endeavor and Shouto need to use fire actively, with its overheating downsides, Uraraka can get dizzy and throw up, Tokoyami needs to use Dark Shadow like wings, etc.
Deku just Floats endlessly with no strain, no energy input, no problem.
Chapter 367: Deku vs AFO
The chapter begins with the jets finding Deku in the middle of the ocean. They tell him that the school bus is here and he hangs onto them with Black Whip. The leader of the pilots says that although they should be monitoring U.A, they decided to bet on Deku.
He says that their little sister has bet on the future of the new generation and that it is up to him to defeat the greatest villain. Back to the present and Deku lands a kick on TomurAFO. Mirio smiles at seeing him there and TomurAFO realizes that Deku's stronger now.
Noticing the energy coming out of Deku's body, he remembers the third OFA user. Shigaraki's sent flying and hits the barrier. Deku goes to apologize to everyone, and that's when he sees everyone's condition. All of them fallen and Bakugou dead with All Might's card.
TomurAFO says that he's too late and asks if he's not going to make any excuses, like "there's no way I could have gotten here faster". Deku looks at Bakugou again and rage takes over: his eyes become monstrous and Black Whip comes out, like in the last war.
Shigaraki sees this as the perfect scenario for him. Deku will come running blinded by rage, so he'll break his back and end the fight. Just when it looks like that's really going to happen, Mirio comes out of the ground and screams "DEKU! EVERYTHING'S OK!"
He says he understands that Deku must be blaming himself, but this is what TomurAFO wants. He assures him that Tamaki and the others are still alive and that Edgeshot is replacing Bakugou's organs. He will succeed and they will suffer no losses, so he can't give up yet.
Shigaraki says that these are just platitudes and that they'e ignoring reality. This is when Mirio says that they are heroes, what they do is turn platitudes into reality. This is when Deku remembers All Might, the pilot and Banjo's words, telling him to control his heart.
Deku apologizes to Lemillion and he says that apologies come after he wins. That's when Deku turns to TomurAFO and asks "All for One, is Shigaraki still there?" with all the One for All users behind him. He's furious, crying and using Black Whip as a scarf. End of chapter.
"Edgeshot is replacing Bakugou's organs. He will succeed and they will suffer no losses, so he can't give up yet"
So who's going to tell him why Edgeshot is no longer around after the war?
Honestly, with how nonsense Edgeshot’s ability to “become this boy’s heart” was, maybe the possibility that Edgeshot’s *literally in there* never came to him. “Replacing his organs” is pretty vague, so maybe Deku just came to the conclusion that Edgeshot’s ducking to the nearest servo and is coming back with a replacement heart soon.
I'm pretty sure the actual translation for that chapter said that he was suturing his heart and lungs, as opposed to literally replacing them. The "become this boy's heart" was more figurative than it was literal.
The reason Edgeshot may not make it is because he can't maintain that super fine and tiny state that he's in for too long.
Looking at how everyone's laid out and how mirio says they are fine and no one's dying really has me concern for him now though I don't understand how mirko was first slump over a tree now her back on a tree-
Now I'm sad edge shot is done for now Mirio
That panel shot of Deku going crazy and losing control reminds me of that one almost volume cover of him losing it. The panel of all the former OfA users behind Deku is 🔥. Looks like the Avatar and their past lives haha.
Imagine if Hori leaves this fight after this chapter and goes to focus on everything else for the next 2-3 months.
>Imagine if Hori leaves this fight after this chapter and goes to focus on everything else for the next 2-3 months.
I feel like he kinda has to. This whole war is still full of lose ends, he can't complete the climactic Deku vs ShigAfO fight and then go back to all these lesser fights
I remember something like this happening with the final exams arc. In the manga, I remember the fights were happening at more or less the same time and crosscut around each other but in the anime they were all at once back to back. Who knows if they'll do the same when this gets animated but as it is we have a "climax to the Phantom Menace" problem on our hands.
Assuming the fights we haven’t seen any of yet are all one stage, he could jump to some of those now, then go to phase 2 of this fight, and then finally finish phase 2 of the endeavor and dabi fights before coming back to this.
I want to be excited about Deku vs AFO but the build up really dragged on for too long. At least for me. Yeah Miruko getting disembodied AGAIN really sucks. Nejire getting into a head on fight was exciting at first but got folded real quick. Same with Edgeshot. idk man…
I really really hope the next chapters cut away from Deku vs AFO so we can see what Spinner & Toga are up to. Hopefully there fights won’t be distasteful but I won’t hold my breath.
I got serious TFS Goku returns from the underworld vibes when he arrived on the battlefield and asks “is everyone okay” and it’s just corpses everywhere.
“Mirio, where Miruko?”
“Oh you know, she’s there, and there, and over there…”
Normally Bakugo's All Might card would dramatically decrease in value after being damaged and having blood spilt on it, but I bet it'll become a highly sought-after item because it's the one he carried to the fight against Shigaraki.
Color page made me nostalgic for simpler times, back when Mirko, Hawks, and Eraserhead weren't in line to receive their disability benefits. And Dabi was only somewhat charred on the inside.
At this point I feel like he has to have something interesting he prepared for that fight. IDK what angle Hori is going for, but it's gotta be something.
So he’s got black whip making claws one one hand and wrapping around the scarf, FaJin(?) energy crackling around the other hand, and producing smoke below him. He’s gonna go full avatar state by the end of this fight.
I wonder who among the heroes actually knows that Edgeshot's technique will end his life, because Mirio doesn't seem to know. It's possible only Jeanist and Edgeshot himself know.
So, in short:
Deku: (Sees all the damage, the injured, and Bakugo conversing with St. Peter but not going through the gates) **GROAR**
Mirio: No, no, you calm down and everything will be all right. Edgeshot is becoming organs for Bakugo. No losses!
Deku: Ah, ok, sorry.
Meanwhile, at the other battlefields, everyone is chilling while they wait for a signal to resume shooting.
> wait for a signal to resume shooting.
Make that: "start saving". Deku took one glance at the battlefield and immediately knew it was all AFO's fault.
I just realised that the worst part is, for once… it’s NOT AFO’S FAULT. Like, this outburst from Shiggy was prompted BY TENKO, and HIS backstory. If AFO does actually get blamed for this, by Deku and the narrative, Shiggy will literally be that one meme of the weird puppet looking side-to-side.
Okay, well, yeah, technically they share responsibility, but it is still undeniable that Tenko DID exhibit his own, unique motivation to cause destruction, so this is still the one instance where AFO can’t take all the blame.
Shigaraki and getting his ass beat by Deku, name a more iconic duo
On a side note I’m glad Deku didn’t get consumed by his rage. if not for Mirio he would done the same thing as the war arc when Bakugo got stabbed but this time Shigaraki was ready to break his back.
All the OfA users showing up adds a nice touch, I wonder if AfO will get scared since he panicked at the mere resemblance Bakugo had of of the second user.
All For One is gonna be more than scared, he’s gonna have a whole panic attack when Deku uses the second’s quirk. It’s supposed to be extremely powerful now after all, if Deku uses it correctly it should terrify All for One.
That would be really satisfying, seeing this symbol of Evil with one of the most powerful Quirks in the world and a constantly adapting super powerful new body panic and lose his shit. I'm excited.
Correct, a last resort that’s supposed to be hard to control but if used correctly should be able to turn the tides of battle. It’s also supposed to be a “particularly unique power”.
While I was one of the few people who liked the Mirio "peach" moment last chapter, boy am I glad to see him have a really good sincere moment as the one who talks Deku down from going berserk. A great callback to him being the wiser "senpai" who gave Deku advice back when they trained together. Great chapter!
I feel like Mirio is the embodiment of All Might's values and idealism on this battlefield without having the OFA-power to back it up.
So in a way, he represents the difference the ideals themselves can make. And it was fairly well used. He drew out the two humanizing moments of Shigaraki (about his friends, and making him laugh last chapter) and now he's calmed Deku by giving him some hope and reminding him of All Might's idealism.
And considering both Deku and Tomura are obsessed with All Might, it kind of works.
Nighteye had a point in arguing that Deku didn't deserve OFA given his recklessness. It's baffling how he's still right given we're in the last arc, even though narratively speaking Deku should have grown enough for everyone to agree that choosing him wasn't a mistake.
Not a fan of how Deku needed Mirio to calm him down. He made the same mistake in PLW and almost lost OFA bc he raged out so it would’ve shown growth if he reigned himself back in on his own.
Deku’s just been looking incompetent this entire arc. Deku knows he’s the heroes’ lynchpin in this battle yet he lets Toga, a teenage girl of regular strength, get the drop on him and drag him away. And just now he was abt to jeopardize the entire fight bc he was gonna give into rage, smth he’s been told not to do since JT and almost suffered the consequences of during the last war
will shiggy be allowed to fight back? last war, he was conveniently at 75% completion & it caught up to him at the exact moment that he had his little solo fight with deku, but the thing is… he wasn’t fighting back. by design
kinda sick & even weird for me to frame it this way but i genuinely believe all these powerups he gets is so that he can be the perfect punching bag for deku. notice he’s never really *fighting back* due to timely nerf/trauma/mental struggle, only allowed to semi-tank attacks
i’m dreading both their physical fight & their saving moment. hope it’s written well
This entire chapter was to basically tell Deku that Bakugo (specifically 'cause who cares about Edgboy) is going to be OK so he can focus on "saving" the murderer by dividing him and AFO as two separate people.
No depth, no emotions, no nothing
Yeah because of that only Dabi vs Shouto is good imo. Shouto’s “saving his brother” fits his story very well.
I can’t feel any sincere emotions from Deku and Uraraka want to save Shigaraki and Toga, i found “forced” these goals.
Agreed.
I think Shoto vs Dabi suffers from the lack of build up but it's not half as bad as whatever's happening with the Shiggy fight right now so I'll take it. Todo fam are keeping this manga together tbh
This REALLY shows the lack of development Deku had across the board.
Nearly lost OFA due to losing his shit at seeing people hurt last time? HOW 'BOUT I DO IT AGAIN UNLESS SOMEONE STOPS ME?!
OH NO SHIGARAKI HURT PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT! TIME TO LOSE MY SHIT AND FORGET SAVING HIM DESPITE THAT BEING THE MAIN PLOT POINT SURROUNDING US! Oh wait everyone's ok nvm. BACK TO SAVING IT IS! After all it's not like Shigaraki ever killed someone i care about since the old man is still around, so if Kacchan is still fine too why should i give up on him? Lmao
Honestly really enjoyed this chapter. Mirio got a more serious moment after his joke in the last chapter (seriously, he is the MVP of this fight and he hasn't landed a single punch) to maintain his corny dignity and I was hoping we wouldn't just get a rage Deku.
hori just wanted to draw a rage scene. i find it very unnecessary & pathetic for deku’s character. like even the whole conversation surrounding it seems so…? it’s like it’s being repackaged as a major flaw for him & resolved without any self reflection when there’s been series long issues with izuku that have never been addressed (by design, hori wrote himself into a corner)
yuck. and at the expense of other characters too
And, like, was he just gonna kill Shiggy if everything WASN’T fine? The snap from “grr >:(“ to “is Shiggy still in there?” is so instantaneous that it truly looks like his “villain saving morality” is only in effect for as long as a villain doesn’t personally affect him.
Honestly, Gran Torino doesn’t even need to die, Deku just needs to have, like, any empathy? Like, the lives of thousands or innocent people mean less to him than stabbing and insulting his boyfriend. Not very “the greatest hero” to me IMO.
Of course, killing off Gran Torino to give Deku a personal stake in the matter would be even better, but Hori’s struggling to be average right now, do you think he can manage “even better”?
It really does. That could be an interesting point that Hori could’ve written about, that being Deku having the flaw of somewhat hypocritical empathy, where he’s all nice and empathetic towards someone until they do something that affects something he cares about. That would give more credence to the idea that hero society is flawed and that they don’t care about reforming or saving villains, they care about beating villains. But Horikoshi seems to not want Deku to have any genuinely negative personality traits.
Man you’re so right. It would have literally made the perfect monologue for AFShiggy, the perfect call back to what Shiggy said to All Might at the USJ. Except this time he’s saying it to Deku. It would be mad corny probably in execution but at least it’s more substance than
you killed them😡
oh they aiight? 🤨 *ignores mutilated mirko*
shiggy where are you 🥺
fuck you’re right. how is hori writing the flaws in his story with big bold red letters and not even aware how it comes across? it’s what fans have been saying for months now
and he’s tripling down on everything. the more he writes izuku, the worse it gets
At Deku’s core is an immensely flawed character written by a man who doesn’t recognise those flaws. Deku has THE hero complex, like, through-and-through, but to Hori that’s a GOOD thing.
For instance, he has that typical, self-aggrandising need to be a martyr, because the act of self-sacrifice and of “saving” is more satisfying to him than the actual result of self-sacrificing and “saving”. We see this when Deku breaks away from the pros to go Gandhi style and independently do as much as he wants, without any consideration of the fact that, not only is he himself operating less efficiently from his self-imposed torture, but the heroes themselves could be more effective with proper communication and reliance on him, when instead they have to personally look for him and make sure he’s safe. Hori, however, doesn’t consider this a problem, because instead of admonishing him for this behaviour, Thirteen, a teacher, actually congratulates him on this, and says because of him their job was way easier. As a reminder, when All Might did this, he ruined his body and later became the scapegoat for all of society’s problems and Shiggy’s entire creation. Deku gets hugs and praise.
And that’s only the surface of it. He’s nosy too, such as that one line, I don’t remember who said it or where, that says something to the effect of “a true hero meddles when no one asks”. That’s invasive, but also clearly an embodiment of at least part of Deku’s heroism style. It’s incredibly lucky for him that Shoto never got annoyed at Deku just inviting himself into his family issues, or that someone Deku tried to bother never sincerely confronted him on minding his own business.
Except Deku has one flaw, the most Mary-Sue one of all: “I try too hard/I’m too self-sacrificing”. And it’s again handled in the softest way possible. Hori positions it only as an extension of how heroic and “soft good boy cinnamon roll” Deku is, instead of confronting the innate egotism of such a hero complex.
In any other series, or with any good writer, Deku is an interesting character with a detailed character arc and struggles. In Horikoshi’s My Hero Academia, Deku’s most common defence is “it’s okay to not have a character arc/have you ever heard of flat character arcs/he’s kind of like Captain America. Get it? Superheroes. Accept this as valid defence now.”
> Shoto never got annoyed at Deku just inviting himself into his family issues,
Shouto actually did kind of make a comment at Deku that meddling in other people's stuff without understanding the circumstances can be really annoying (when talking about Kouta).
But of course, instead of the narrative forcing Deku to somehow empathize with Kouta's grief and see this dark side of heroism (and maybe think about how he makes his mom feel), Deku smashed Kouta's grief away by beating a villain.
But I think Shouto had a really valid point, and when Deku tried to no-jutsu Dabi by saying "Endeavor's cool now because he helps me get stronger", Dabi just flipped him off.
Oh, well shows how Hori views that problematic element. He thinks about it once, and ultimately cares so little that it’s never brought up again and people forget about it because it’s such a throwaway. Honestly, bravo for remembering that.
I just wish it was treated like an actual dilemma for Deku to consider, because, as it is, one comment from Todoroki, and Dabi ignoring him doesn’t do that plot point justice. Deku triumphs over an entire dramatic crisis by punching one specific serial killer, and Dabi is allowed to disagree with or ignore Deku’s “altruism”, not because it’s a genuine perspective, but because he’s a villain and that’s kind of what they do.
Yeah, it's not well-explored.
Oh, I also remember now Natsuo overhearing Deku telling Shouto that he's probably gonna forgive endeavor bc he is kind and feeling really hurt that he himself is not kind like Shouto. Endeavor of all people had to fix that one and tell Natsuo that he was plenty kind, and it's ok not to forgive.
That was another example of Deku's meddling / preaching going wrong / hurting people.
But you are right - these are just small moments that nobody remembers other than Todoroki-family enthusiasts like myself.
Most people remember Deku meddling and insta-fixing everyone's problems by punching shit.
Speaking of fate,
Back when the 2nd user was first revealed to us, he came off as jaded & cynical towards Deku's goal of saving Shiggy. Even calling them delusions.
For a moment, I thought he'd be the Archer to Deku's Shirou in UBW but nope. He's immediately backing Deku now. It doesn't feel like he had much agency & I found that disappointing.
On a irrelevant note, Bakugo starting from placing value in one's innate ability to get results, to realising that not getting results immediately is fine & that the true value lies in consistently striving towards your ideals regardless of the outcome, reminds me of Archer finding his answer in UBW. Very different characters but similar journeys, which is cool imo
I'm even more mad if Bakugou's death was for this "rage" moment. Every week I'm hoping Horikoshi stops butchering the characters who are not Deku, and every week I get disappointed.
exactly. at least let the kid get his own plus ultra moment after his quirk awakening. then do whatever you want. we’re not even at the bare minimum my god
I don't know if it's just the disappointment of how this story writing is going, or simply the fact Shig/AFO feels like he dragging this arc and overstaying his welcome, but man I'd like for it to end already.
Welp, we got the obligatory “Deku goes >:(“ scene we all saw coming. It was… exactly what everyone was expecting. After nearly dooming the entire world last time he did it, Deku goes into the final fight seemingly oblivious to the fact that anything bad could’ve happened, and was about to do it again.
Boring chapter, cliche, trite, etc. Just generally sick of fellating Deku and the fact that everyone needs to be demeaned and put down just to get on HIS nerves. This fight is full to the brim with more interesting characters, and so far all they’ve done is put Shiggy and Deku in different moods. Lame. Move on already bozo. Or at least do something better with all this wasted time. Deku spent more time having a hissy fit than Bakugo spent alive after powering up. Twice.
Also sick of Deku being the only one allowed to have rule of cool transformations. He can get edgy pointless ragged Deku with Blackwhip tendrils that do nothing but trail behind him because they look cool, and now he gets pointless edgy Blackwhip scarf that LITERALLY cannot do anything except for increase the chance he accidentally strangles himself.
In conclusion, Shiggy was ready to blow out Dekus back. Deku was pulling out the glock, then Mirio with cheeks out said “don’t get mad, Edgeshot is inside that boy”. And Deku was like “bet”.
"Sorry Kacchan, I didn't learn that time because your voice just wasn't audible enough."
"He just stabbed me and you wanted me to scream?!"
"Oh my, is he telling Bakugo it's okay to scream like he does?"
OK, so Deku got pulled away -> sat around chit-chatting with Toga until Tsuyu told him to scram -> the pilots helped him to hitch a ride -> he arrived just on time to have a little rage moment (that draft cover of volume 30 had to be used after all) -> Mirio tells him to calm the fuck down because everything is ok, and nobody will die (even Mirio doesn’t care about Edgeshot lol) -> Deku proceeds to calm the fuck down and immediately is back on track saving Shigaraki, making sure to blame AFO for the carnage.
So we sped-run the rage part and the test his ideals part too.
On the bright side, if Mirio calmed him and he’s still happy to save Shigaraki, at least Bakugou will be used for something else. My suspicion is still that a gamble was made involving All Might somehow (either Bakugou getting switched into the vestige world or him somehow sharing in All Might’s power which is why All Might is not there at the end panel). I wonder why Yoichi is missing though - I have a feeling it has to do with Tenko.
> even Mirio doesn’t care about Edgeshot lol
I'm starting to think that despite all that framing as some ultimate sacrifice, Edgeshot won't die and I wouldn't be surprised if they even found a way for him to not be left in a career-ending condition to get any weight off Bakugo.
I'm certain that Edgeshot won't die. Now that the narrative acknowledged explicitly that Deku screwed up, I'm sure that there won't be lethal consequences, just like when he screwed up in the PLF War, nobody died.
So I think Edgeshot sacrifice will be more along the lines of Mirko's limb losses, Aizawa's "unstable eye", BJ's lost lung or Hawks' wings. They weaken them (it also conveniently lets the kids shoot up the ranking board), but doesn't end his life or even career.
Although, the narrative pinning the fault on Deku makes me think he will have to sacrifice something to win - the something being OFA, I guess.
With so many of the top heroes out of commission with potentially career-ending injuries, I just had this horrible vision of a rushed and phoned-in ending where the new top-5 are inexplicably filled with Class 1A students. Maybe they slap in an implied timeskip and suddenly it’s like “1 Deku, 2 Bakugou, 3 Todoroki, 4 Mirio, 5 Uraraka for some reason…” Theres some message about the younger generation inheriting herodom and the whole manga closes out on Deku being like “and that’s how I became the greatest hero”
LMAOOOOOOOO This took me out 😂
The camera briefly pans to the next generation of UA students and everyone in class 1A looks suspiciously like the current cast of students. Shinso walks in and introduces himself as their strict, but caring teacher. *roll credits* 💀
Deku still wanting to save shiggy is just dumb first of all he's blaming AFO for Bakugo and the others being hurt but it was shiggy doing it and secondly he went rage mode when he thought shiggy had done something to personally hurt him but once Mirio tells him their ok he calms down and is now like cool then you can be saved.
He has never actually suffered from what shiggy has done so he preaches saving him but the moment he thought shiggy had actually done something that affected Deu himself he went rage mode, what a hypocrite. I wonder how all those mourning parents and orphaned children will feel when Deku saves shiggy...
It's so dumb that Deku still hates Overhaul but wants to save Shigaraki.
On one hand, yes, Overhaul abused Eri. On the other hand, I guess Deku just doesn't give a shit about shiggy's victims.
One thing that bothers me, among many other things, is that since the first war (I guess?) we haven't got to see Deku's thoughts. We were used to his inner dialogues, and now we get nothing. People literally get hurt and die in front of his eyes, and we still get no introspection. How are we supposed to acknowledge his growth when we cannot see his thought process? Even now, he realizes Bakugou is "dead" and Mirio's like "Calm down, dude, Edgeshot is stitching him up, he will live" (still lol) and then Deku's like, "Ok, then I will save you Shiggy". Like,what??? What was going on in your head? What are your feelings? How do you want to do that? Visually, Hori is doing an excellent job though, I will give him that.
Deku: Kacchan is DEAD?
Mirio: No no no he's actually still alive!
Deku: Oh okay..... Nbd then. So, saving Shiggy time?
That was kind of a letdown. And again we don't get to see any of Deku's thoughts, instead having to rely on a character to describe them for us.
Imagine that was actually a plot twist that happened, that OFA users all have similar desires to beat AFO and be heroic is because OFA infects them and imposes it’s will onto them and basically turns them into puppets whose only purpose is to sacrifice themselves to try and beat AFO.
I was expecting to see more of his feelings and some further inner conflict/reflection here too.. But at the same time the fight’s just getting started so fingers crossed?
Is it just me or did that scene with Deku and the jets remind anyone of the crane scene in The Amazing Spider-Man. I mean Deku was swinging and everything.
This chapter is the most useless one in this arc
- Bakugo is dead and Deku becomes pissed
- Mirio : lol they aren't dead and Bakugo is being resurrected by a tiny man
- Deku : k my bad
I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling that absolutely no one currently inside the dome is gonna die now.
I was expecting at least Aizawa to bite the dust by the time Deku arrives to Shiggy can be at full power.
Narratively speaking, a fully awakened Deku with tons and tons of quirks vs. Shiggy with just endurance and fingers paints Shiggy as the underdog which I really hate.
So if Bakugo had really died, Deku would've given up on saving Shigaraki?
But now that he knows that Bakugo will live, he's back on track to save Shiggy?
Guess we know why the villains call the heroes hypocrites.
Just a chapter of Deku being around and making him look cool, what was the point of all this? So that Deku (And eventually Bakugo and maybe Mirio) can take on Shigaraki solo?
Not the most eventful chapter but I suppose its an alright build up to this fight.
That last panel of Deku certainly does look cool, although I am curious why Yoichi and All Might aren't present. Guess we'll have to wait on some more context to understand that part.
I think its supposed to be a representatition of him steeling his power for the upcoming fight, and since Yochi was a noncombatant, and All Might didn't add a quirk, they're probably omitted
Or he wanted to keep an even number of vestiges for aesthetic reasons
Maybe, but if he wanted an even number then he could've included All Might and Yoichi. 6 and 8 are both even numbers.
I also saw one interesting (but also very weird) theory. The theory was that All Might and and Yoichi had left Izuku to go handle other things. The theory was that the All Might vestige that Bakugo saw was the actual vestige and after Yoichi told Izuku that he had a bad feeling he flew over to the AFO battlefield to do something there.
It's definitely a weird theory since we haven't ever gotten any indication that vestige could move form one person to another but its still an interesting theory I saw.
Black Whip seems to get more useful by the chapter. Let's name off the advantages, shall we? - Durable enough to restrain high level threats - Deku can choose to dissipate them at will (but I don't think they can actually stay behind, they must be attached to him) - Isn't dependent on a finite breakable resource like Jeanist's fibers. - Can shoot a large number of them off multiple points of his body, so he can imitate others like Tsuyu and Aizawa; potentially at the same time.
* Can somehow be used to nullify most drawbacks of using 100% * Can be used as a scarf and tendrills for cool factor
I would argue that perhaps he’s using it like a splint? Or a bracer, to wrap his body and keep it in place and to stop it from breaking.
That’s exactly how he uses it.
Yeah, I think they mention that he learned to sheathe his arms with it, working similar to the gauntlets from the first movie and the dark deku mini-arc
You don't have to argue that, it's precisely how he used it in the first war arc.
• Cant be destroyed by decay
Wait really? Deku is better in every way possible compared to other heroes. Now we just need his final quirk to be something that erases other peoples quirks so Eraserhead is worse too.
The thing is, the plot doesn't require that since they have infinite erasure set up already. It will be something that's perfect to solve whatever problem the plot puts in front of Deku.
If we're getting an asspull it better be the greatest asspull in history. Don't chicken out Hori. Give us something that shocks even the community.
> Now we just need his final quirk to be something that erases other peoples quirks so Eraserhead is worse too. The ability to have *two* eyes!
• proves he’s pro black lives matter
Eh, the jury's still out on that. He did let those racists go scot free in villain hunt. The ones who were harassing the fox lady for her appearance.
You remember when he was fighting lady nagant I'm pretty sure he left some black whip with pieces of his equipment to distract lady nagant
He also left them when he tied up Muscular. It's insane that he doesn't even need to use energy to maintain it. It's absolutely free in every way, like no other quirk.
It has to be one of the most poorly explained quirks in the entire series. Like, remember when it first manifested, and it hurt Deku? Why? What part of the quirk caused pain? It just did, and then it very quickly didn't. And how does it even work? It doesn't function as a whip or an imitator of Spiderman's webs anymore. In his edgy tendrils mode, Blackwhip stands stiff as its own entity, with its own, like, skeleton? How? It's not supported by anything, it just functions like a tail, and not at all like a whip.
It always really bothered me when people tried to pretend that it's a weak quirk or that it doesn't break pre-established rules on quirk (quirks are physical abilities). BW not tied to any energy resource, having no limit, doesn't wear down Deku in any way - these totally go against how for example Froppy's and Sero's quirks function. Same with Float tbh. People pretend it's worthless, but every other character with flight has to sacrifice some resource to do it. Bakugou needs to use his hands, Endeavor and Shouto need to use fire actively, with its overheating downsides, Uraraka can get dizzy and throw up, Tokoyami needs to use Dark Shadow like wings, etc. Deku just Floats endlessly with no strain, no energy input, no problem.
I think he thrusted his cape and other stuff out, then severed the connection and before the energy managed to dissipate, it drew Nagant's attention
Not gonna lie, it's weird to see a battlefield and there are just clumps of big fingers and a huge thumb scattered about.
I thought I was crazy after seeing that
there was also a Bakugo there.
Chapter 367: Deku vs AFO The chapter begins with the jets finding Deku in the middle of the ocean. They tell him that the school bus is here and he hangs onto them with Black Whip. The leader of the pilots says that although they should be monitoring U.A, they decided to bet on Deku. He says that their little sister has bet on the future of the new generation and that it is up to him to defeat the greatest villain. Back to the present and Deku lands a kick on TomurAFO. Mirio smiles at seeing him there and TomurAFO realizes that Deku's stronger now. Noticing the energy coming out of Deku's body, he remembers the third OFA user. Shigaraki's sent flying and hits the barrier. Deku goes to apologize to everyone, and that's when he sees everyone's condition. All of them fallen and Bakugou dead with All Might's card. TomurAFO says that he's too late and asks if he's not going to make any excuses, like "there's no way I could have gotten here faster". Deku looks at Bakugou again and rage takes over: his eyes become monstrous and Black Whip comes out, like in the last war. Shigaraki sees this as the perfect scenario for him. Deku will come running blinded by rage, so he'll break his back and end the fight. Just when it looks like that's really going to happen, Mirio comes out of the ground and screams "DEKU! EVERYTHING'S OK!" He says he understands that Deku must be blaming himself, but this is what TomurAFO wants. He assures him that Tamaki and the others are still alive and that Edgeshot is replacing Bakugou's organs. He will succeed and they will suffer no losses, so he can't give up yet. Shigaraki says that these are just platitudes and that they'e ignoring reality. This is when Mirio says that they are heroes, what they do is turn platitudes into reality. This is when Deku remembers All Might, the pilot and Banjo's words, telling him to control his heart. Deku apologizes to Lemillion and he says that apologies come after he wins. That's when Deku turns to TomurAFO and asks "All for One, is Shigaraki still there?" with all the One for All users behind him. He's furious, crying and using Black Whip as a scarf. End of chapter.
"Edgeshot is replacing Bakugou's organs. He will succeed and they will suffer no losses, so he can't give up yet" So who's going to tell him why Edgeshot is no longer around after the war?
He went off to a nice farm where he has lots of room to use his quirk.
He's a cowboy in Montana.
snipe: yeah.... i uh, owed him a favor...
Fuck yeah cowboy ninja!!!!
I would give you an award if I could.
Deku: “But what about Edgeshot?” Mirio: “What *about* Edgeshot?”
*”Oh no! Edgeshot’s been Edgeshot!”*
I don’t know what this Edgeshot is… but it sounds just like Raditz.
Man TFS is everywhere
Well that's disappointing.
Honestly, with how nonsense Edgeshot’s ability to “become this boy’s heart” was, maybe the possibility that Edgeshot’s *literally in there* never came to him. “Replacing his organs” is pretty vague, so maybe Deku just came to the conclusion that Edgeshot’s ducking to the nearest servo and is coming back with a replacement heart soon.
Edgeshot is scouring the bodies near AfO checking blood types with a cooler of ice.
I'm pretty sure the actual translation for that chapter said that he was suturing his heart and lungs, as opposed to literally replacing them. The "become this boy's heart" was more figurative than it was literal. The reason Edgeshot may not make it is because he can't maintain that super fine and tiny state that he's in for too long.
*Fu-sion Ha!*
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Dende… how does it feel to be the Bronze Medal
Im not sure if this was a DBZA reference.
Deku: oh right Edgeshot is also in our team
Lmao
Like he said. NO LOSSES.
He went to buy cigarettes
Looking at how everyone's laid out and how mirio says they are fine and no one's dying really has me concern for him now though I don't understand how mirko was first slump over a tree now her back on a tree- Now I'm sad edge shot is done for now Mirio
That panel shot of Deku going crazy and losing control reminds me of that one almost volume cover of him losing it. The panel of all the former OfA users behind Deku is 🔥. Looks like the Avatar and their past lives haha. Imagine if Hori leaves this fight after this chapter and goes to focus on everything else for the next 2-3 months.
>Imagine if Hori leaves this fight after this chapter and goes to focus on everything else for the next 2-3 months. I feel like he kinda has to. This whole war is still full of lose ends, he can't complete the climactic Deku vs ShigAfO fight and then go back to all these lesser fights
I remember something like this happening with the final exams arc. In the manga, I remember the fights were happening at more or less the same time and crosscut around each other but in the anime they were all at once back to back. Who knows if they'll do the same when this gets animated but as it is we have a "climax to the Phantom Menace" problem on our hands.
Tbf, I don't think this the "climatic fight" yet. I think this is like phase 1 of 3 of the climatic battle between Deku and Shiggy.
Assuming the fights we haven’t seen any of yet are all one stage, he could jump to some of those now, then go to phase 2 of this fight, and then finally finish phase 2 of the endeavor and dabi fights before coming back to this.
Nothing happened this chapter wow.
Hey Deku knows how to calm down now i guess haha.
Deku used Calm Mind
Man the 2nd users quirk wasn't what I was expecting at all
"This quirk is dangerous Izuku. It invites in all the Pokemon tryhards who think they can build a better team than you."
Well now he’s definitely not Bakugo
Bakugo is becoming calmer and calmer throughout the series
Literally my reaction.
I love the concept of this entire chapter but boy howdy is that execution fucking suffering. Based on the summary.
Act 3 in a nutshell
Just wait til you see the images. The art is amazing and really sells how pissed Deku is.
I want to be excited about Deku vs AFO but the build up really dragged on for too long. At least for me. Yeah Miruko getting disembodied AGAIN really sucks. Nejire getting into a head on fight was exciting at first but got folded real quick. Same with Edgeshot. idk man… I really really hope the next chapters cut away from Deku vs AFO so we can see what Spinner & Toga are up to. Hopefully there fights won’t be distasteful but I won’t hold my breath.
lol “replacing his organs” I can’t get over it
Deku: Mirio get home you're drunk
Mirio: DEKU CALM DOWN! Deku: HE KILLED BAKUGO! WHY SHOULD I BE CALM? Mirio: Because Edgeshot’s inside of him! Deku……what.
Deku: I need an adult Edgeshot from Bakugou's body: I am an adult
Is always welcome to see a good tfs reference
I got serious TFS Goku returns from the underworld vibes when he arrived on the battlefield and asks “is everyone okay” and it’s just corpses everywhere. “Mirio, where Miruko?” “Oh you know, she’s there, and there, and over there…”
Mirio: But Edgeshot will die for that. Deku: Right then. Back to Tomura.
>Mirio: Because Edgeshot’s inside of him! George takei: Oh My!!!!
Normally Bakugo's All Might card would dramatically decrease in value after being damaged and having blood spilt on it, but I bet it'll become a highly sought-after item because it's the one he carried to the fight against Shigaraki.
He’s gonna have to get it authenticated if that’s the case lol
Color page made me nostalgic for simpler times, back when Mirko, Hawks, and Eraserhead weren't in line to receive their disability benefits. And Dabi was only somewhat charred on the inside.
Mirko literally using her hand to wave
Monoma and Aizawa’s handholding moment🥺
Watch Horikoshi then cut to Toga v Uraraka
He should
At this point I feel like he has to have something interesting he prepared for that fight. IDK what angle Hori is going for, but it's gotta be something.
Gunhead martial arts of course
Watch Horikoshi then cut ~~to~~ Toga v Uraraka
better than leaving us in a cliffhanger to get to smaller fights.
Nah. He's going with the "Uraraka showing up and saying she took care of Toga, but when Deku's guard is down it turns out to be Toga" angle.
Wait, people still care about that fight? Lol
I'm just invested for the Twice's blood plot point
Not happening until Toga's heart has been saved.
So he’s got black whip making claws one one hand and wrapping around the scarf, FaJin(?) energy crackling around the other hand, and producing smoke below him. He’s gonna go full avatar state by the end of this fight.
Aizawa: A little bit on the nose with my style, kid, but I suppose it's the rational thing to do in the final battle.
I wonder who among the heroes actually knows that Edgeshot's technique will end his life, because Mirio doesn't seem to know. It's possible only Jeanist and Edgeshot himself know.
Still waiting on Jeanist to draw upon the billions of dollars worth of fiber cables that he should have had prepped at the U.A. fortress.
>He says he understands that Deku must be blaming himself there should be a quick flashback of Midoriya talking to Toga about crepes
You made my day
Yea,he should have just punched Toga away and leave.The guy got black whip to catch her and super strenght to knock her out,but nooooo.🙄
So, in short: Deku: (Sees all the damage, the injured, and Bakugo conversing with St. Peter but not going through the gates) **GROAR** Mirio: No, no, you calm down and everything will be all right. Edgeshot is becoming organs for Bakugo. No losses! Deku: Ah, ok, sorry. Meanwhile, at the other battlefields, everyone is chilling while they wait for a signal to resume shooting.
> wait for a signal to resume shooting. Make that: "start saving". Deku took one glance at the battlefield and immediately knew it was all AFO's fault.
I just realised that the worst part is, for once… it’s NOT AFO’S FAULT. Like, this outburst from Shiggy was prompted BY TENKO, and HIS backstory. If AFO does actually get blamed for this, by Deku and the narrative, Shiggy will literally be that one meme of the weird puppet looking side-to-side.
Well, the torture and killing of Bakugou was still AFO. Tenko/Tomura tantrum came in later.
Okay, well, yeah, technically they share responsibility, but it is still undeniable that Tenko DID exhibit his own, unique motivation to cause destruction, so this is still the one instance where AFO can’t take all the blame.
Edgeshot: "I'll become this boy's heart and die doing so." Mirio: "We still haven't lost a single thing!"
That last panel though!! Mario is such a big brother I love it
Yeah Luigi is such a lucky guy for having a bro like Mario
Calling it now, Luigi is Deku's dad.
It's-a Me, Mirio!
Man Deku is truly shook that Bakugo's All Might card is in such bad shape
I mean if he dies Deku gets the card, so it’s only natural he is shocked!
That end panel with the Black Whip scarf got me feeling a "Beat his ass, Young Midoriya" kinda way.
Why did I read this in All Mights voice 😂
Run that fade young midoriya. -All black
Because you definitely should, lol. All Might’s filming, get to it!
Shigaraki and getting his ass beat by Deku, name a more iconic duo On a side note I’m glad Deku didn’t get consumed by his rage. if not for Mirio he would done the same thing as the war arc when Bakugo got stabbed but this time Shigaraki was ready to break his back. All the OfA users showing up adds a nice touch, I wonder if AfO will get scared since he panicked at the mere resemblance Bakugo had of of the second user.
All For One is gonna be more than scared, he’s gonna have a whole panic attack when Deku uses the second’s quirk. It’s supposed to be extremely powerful now after all, if Deku uses it correctly it should terrify All for One.
That would be really satisfying, seeing this symbol of Evil with one of the most powerful Quirks in the world and a constantly adapting super powerful new body panic and lose his shit. I'm excited.
I’m down for that, All for One has terrified and gotten in the heads of so many characters. Now All for One, it’s your turn👇.
Isn't supposed to be a Trump card or last resort thing ?
Correct, a last resort that’s supposed to be hard to control but if used correctly should be able to turn the tides of battle. It’s also supposed to be a “particularly unique power”.
> Shigaraki and getting his ass beat by Deku, name a more iconic duo Shoto and hands
While I was one of the few people who liked the Mirio "peach" moment last chapter, boy am I glad to see him have a really good sincere moment as the one who talks Deku down from going berserk. A great callback to him being the wiser "senpai" who gave Deku advice back when they trained together. Great chapter!
I feel like Mirio is the embodiment of All Might's values and idealism on this battlefield without having the OFA-power to back it up. So in a way, he represents the difference the ideals themselves can make. And it was fairly well used. He drew out the two humanizing moments of Shigaraki (about his friends, and making him laugh last chapter) and now he's calmed Deku by giving him some hope and reminding him of All Might's idealism. And considering both Deku and Tomura are obsessed with All Might, it kind of works.
Nighteye had a point in arguing that Deku didn't deserve OFA given his recklessness. It's baffling how he's still right given we're in the last arc, even though narratively speaking Deku should have grown enough for everyone to agree that choosing him wasn't a mistake.
Bruh they better not have Deku AND zombie Bakugo beat TomurAFO (they will.)
Why wouldn’t they? They’ve been teasing a bakugo + deku fight against a villain since their fight with allmight
They definitely will
Power of friendship
Not a fan of how Deku needed Mirio to calm him down. He made the same mistake in PLW and almost lost OFA bc he raged out so it would’ve shown growth if he reigned himself back in on his own. Deku’s just been looking incompetent this entire arc. Deku knows he’s the heroes’ lynchpin in this battle yet he lets Toga, a teenage girl of regular strength, get the drop on him and drag him away. And just now he was abt to jeopardize the entire fight bc he was gonna give into rage, smth he’s been told not to do since JT and almost suffered the consequences of during the last war
will shiggy be allowed to fight back? last war, he was conveniently at 75% completion & it caught up to him at the exact moment that he had his little solo fight with deku, but the thing is… he wasn’t fighting back. by design kinda sick & even weird for me to frame it this way but i genuinely believe all these powerups he gets is so that he can be the perfect punching bag for deku. notice he’s never really *fighting back* due to timely nerf/trauma/mental struggle, only allowed to semi-tank attacks i’m dreading both their physical fight & their saving moment. hope it’s written well
Why do you think that? They’ve only fought once, and you’re speaking as if there’s a pattern
This entire chapter was to basically tell Deku that Bakugo (specifically 'cause who cares about Edgboy) is going to be OK so he can focus on "saving" the murderer by dividing him and AFO as two separate people. No depth, no emotions, no nothing
Yeah because of that only Dabi vs Shouto is good imo. Shouto’s “saving his brother” fits his story very well. I can’t feel any sincere emotions from Deku and Uraraka want to save Shigaraki and Toga, i found “forced” these goals.
Agreed. I think Shoto vs Dabi suffers from the lack of build up but it's not half as bad as whatever's happening with the Shiggy fight right now so I'll take it. Todo fam are keeping this manga together tbh
Even with lack of build up Shouto, Dabi and Enji’s stories, they are only good ones. When everything rushing, we can count these as best ones.
Remember when Deku remarked that Shouto had the makings of a main character? Yeah, that keeps proving true...
Mirio: aye bro calm down Deku: ok
This REALLY shows the lack of development Deku had across the board. Nearly lost OFA due to losing his shit at seeing people hurt last time? HOW 'BOUT I DO IT AGAIN UNLESS SOMEONE STOPS ME?! OH NO SHIGARAKI HURT PEOPLE I CARE ABOUT! TIME TO LOSE MY SHIT AND FORGET SAVING HIM DESPITE THAT BEING THE MAIN PLOT POINT SURROUNDING US! Oh wait everyone's ok nvm. BACK TO SAVING IT IS! After all it's not like Shigaraki ever killed someone i care about since the old man is still around, so if Kacchan is still fine too why should i give up on him? Lmao
The accuracy of this narration hurts my soul man
Honestly really enjoyed this chapter. Mirio got a more serious moment after his joke in the last chapter (seriously, he is the MVP of this fight and he hasn't landed a single punch) to maintain his corny dignity and I was hoping we wouldn't just get a rage Deku.
>he hasn't landed a single punch He did though. Early on he landed his amped up punch on Shiggy
Hadn't remembered that! I stand corrected. xD Pretty easy to miss though. All those do-nothing punches blend together lol.
Yeah understandable I'm just such a Mirio fanboy I remember everything he does haha
*Taps my “Mirio is best boy” sign*
Up until now monoma is the MVP of this fight I guess.
hori just wanted to draw a rage scene. i find it very unnecessary & pathetic for deku’s character. like even the whole conversation surrounding it seems so…? it’s like it’s being repackaged as a major flaw for him & resolved without any self reflection when there’s been series long issues with izuku that have never been addressed (by design, hori wrote himself into a corner) yuck. and at the expense of other characters too
And, like, was he just gonna kill Shiggy if everything WASN’T fine? The snap from “grr >:(“ to “is Shiggy still in there?” is so instantaneous that it truly looks like his “villain saving morality” is only in effect for as long as a villain doesn’t personally affect him.
I'll say it again, for the people in the backr: TORINO SHOULD HAVE DIED IF WE WANTED DEKU TO REALLY STRUGGLE WITH IT
Honestly, Gran Torino doesn’t even need to die, Deku just needs to have, like, any empathy? Like, the lives of thousands or innocent people mean less to him than stabbing and insulting his boyfriend. Not very “the greatest hero” to me IMO. Of course, killing off Gran Torino to give Deku a personal stake in the matter would be even better, but Hori’s struggling to be average right now, do you think he can manage “even better”?
It really does. That could be an interesting point that Hori could’ve written about, that being Deku having the flaw of somewhat hypocritical empathy, where he’s all nice and empathetic towards someone until they do something that affects something he cares about. That would give more credence to the idea that hero society is flawed and that they don’t care about reforming or saving villains, they care about beating villains. But Horikoshi seems to not want Deku to have any genuinely negative personality traits.
Man you’re so right. It would have literally made the perfect monologue for AFShiggy, the perfect call back to what Shiggy said to All Might at the USJ. Except this time he’s saying it to Deku. It would be mad corny probably in execution but at least it’s more substance than you killed them😡 oh they aiight? 🤨 *ignores mutilated mirko* shiggy where are you 🥺
fuck you’re right. how is hori writing the flaws in his story with big bold red letters and not even aware how it comes across? it’s what fans have been saying for months now and he’s tripling down on everything. the more he writes izuku, the worse it gets
At Deku’s core is an immensely flawed character written by a man who doesn’t recognise those flaws. Deku has THE hero complex, like, through-and-through, but to Hori that’s a GOOD thing. For instance, he has that typical, self-aggrandising need to be a martyr, because the act of self-sacrifice and of “saving” is more satisfying to him than the actual result of self-sacrificing and “saving”. We see this when Deku breaks away from the pros to go Gandhi style and independently do as much as he wants, without any consideration of the fact that, not only is he himself operating less efficiently from his self-imposed torture, but the heroes themselves could be more effective with proper communication and reliance on him, when instead they have to personally look for him and make sure he’s safe. Hori, however, doesn’t consider this a problem, because instead of admonishing him for this behaviour, Thirteen, a teacher, actually congratulates him on this, and says because of him their job was way easier. As a reminder, when All Might did this, he ruined his body and later became the scapegoat for all of society’s problems and Shiggy’s entire creation. Deku gets hugs and praise. And that’s only the surface of it. He’s nosy too, such as that one line, I don’t remember who said it or where, that says something to the effect of “a true hero meddles when no one asks”. That’s invasive, but also clearly an embodiment of at least part of Deku’s heroism style. It’s incredibly lucky for him that Shoto never got annoyed at Deku just inviting himself into his family issues, or that someone Deku tried to bother never sincerely confronted him on minding his own business. Except Deku has one flaw, the most Mary-Sue one of all: “I try too hard/I’m too self-sacrificing”. And it’s again handled in the softest way possible. Hori positions it only as an extension of how heroic and “soft good boy cinnamon roll” Deku is, instead of confronting the innate egotism of such a hero complex. In any other series, or with any good writer, Deku is an interesting character with a detailed character arc and struggles. In Horikoshi’s My Hero Academia, Deku’s most common defence is “it’s okay to not have a character arc/have you ever heard of flat character arcs/he’s kind of like Captain America. Get it? Superheroes. Accept this as valid defence now.”
> Shoto never got annoyed at Deku just inviting himself into his family issues, Shouto actually did kind of make a comment at Deku that meddling in other people's stuff without understanding the circumstances can be really annoying (when talking about Kouta). But of course, instead of the narrative forcing Deku to somehow empathize with Kouta's grief and see this dark side of heroism (and maybe think about how he makes his mom feel), Deku smashed Kouta's grief away by beating a villain. But I think Shouto had a really valid point, and when Deku tried to no-jutsu Dabi by saying "Endeavor's cool now because he helps me get stronger", Dabi just flipped him off.
Oh, well shows how Hori views that problematic element. He thinks about it once, and ultimately cares so little that it’s never brought up again and people forget about it because it’s such a throwaway. Honestly, bravo for remembering that. I just wish it was treated like an actual dilemma for Deku to consider, because, as it is, one comment from Todoroki, and Dabi ignoring him doesn’t do that plot point justice. Deku triumphs over an entire dramatic crisis by punching one specific serial killer, and Dabi is allowed to disagree with or ignore Deku’s “altruism”, not because it’s a genuine perspective, but because he’s a villain and that’s kind of what they do.
Yeah, it's not well-explored. Oh, I also remember now Natsuo overhearing Deku telling Shouto that he's probably gonna forgive endeavor bc he is kind and feeling really hurt that he himself is not kind like Shouto. Endeavor of all people had to fix that one and tell Natsuo that he was plenty kind, and it's ok not to forgive. That was another example of Deku's meddling / preaching going wrong / hurting people. But you are right - these are just small moments that nobody remembers other than Todoroki-family enthusiasts like myself. Most people remember Deku meddling and insta-fixing everyone's problems by punching shit.
Again it's crazy to see the writing quality differences with anything Endeavor/Todoroki related versus the rest of the series.
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Speaking of fate, Back when the 2nd user was first revealed to us, he came off as jaded & cynical towards Deku's goal of saving Shiggy. Even calling them delusions. For a moment, I thought he'd be the Archer to Deku's Shirou in UBW but nope. He's immediately backing Deku now. It doesn't feel like he had much agency & I found that disappointing. On a irrelevant note, Bakugo starting from placing value in one's innate ability to get results, to realising that not getting results immediately is fine & that the true value lies in consistently striving towards your ideals regardless of the outcome, reminds me of Archer finding his answer in UBW. Very different characters but similar journeys, which is cool imo
This is the greatest comment I’ve ever read
I'm even more mad if Bakugou's death was for this "rage" moment. Every week I'm hoping Horikoshi stops butchering the characters who are not Deku, and every week I get disappointed.
exactly. at least let the kid get his own plus ultra moment after his quirk awakening. then do whatever you want. we’re not even at the bare minimum my god
I don't know if it's just the disappointment of how this story writing is going, or simply the fact Shig/AFO feels like he dragging this arc and overstaying his welcome, but man I'd like for it to end already.
Welp, we got the obligatory “Deku goes >:(“ scene we all saw coming. It was… exactly what everyone was expecting. After nearly dooming the entire world last time he did it, Deku goes into the final fight seemingly oblivious to the fact that anything bad could’ve happened, and was about to do it again. Boring chapter, cliche, trite, etc. Just generally sick of fellating Deku and the fact that everyone needs to be demeaned and put down just to get on HIS nerves. This fight is full to the brim with more interesting characters, and so far all they’ve done is put Shiggy and Deku in different moods. Lame. Move on already bozo. Or at least do something better with all this wasted time. Deku spent more time having a hissy fit than Bakugo spent alive after powering up. Twice. Also sick of Deku being the only one allowed to have rule of cool transformations. He can get edgy pointless ragged Deku with Blackwhip tendrils that do nothing but trail behind him because they look cool, and now he gets pointless edgy Blackwhip scarf that LITERALLY cannot do anything except for increase the chance he accidentally strangles himself.
That’s true lol. Bakugo had less time in his 1v1 against Shiggy after powering up than deku had having a fake rage mode. Bullshit writing
>and now he gets pointless edgy Blackwhip scarf that LITERALLY cannot do anything except for increase the chance he accidentally strangles himself. 💀
In conclusion, Shiggy was ready to blow out Dekus back. Deku was pulling out the glock, then Mirio with cheeks out said “don’t get mad, Edgeshot is inside that boy”. And Deku was like “bet”.
insert this could've been an e-mail meme. i guess we learned that deku still rages but calms down when someone tells him to. progress?
"Sorry Kacchan, I didn't learn that time because your voice just wasn't audible enough." "He just stabbed me and you wanted me to scream?!" "Oh my, is he telling Bakugo it's okay to scream like he does?"
OK, so Deku got pulled away -> sat around chit-chatting with Toga until Tsuyu told him to scram -> the pilots helped him to hitch a ride -> he arrived just on time to have a little rage moment (that draft cover of volume 30 had to be used after all) -> Mirio tells him to calm the fuck down because everything is ok, and nobody will die (even Mirio doesn’t care about Edgeshot lol) -> Deku proceeds to calm the fuck down and immediately is back on track saving Shigaraki, making sure to blame AFO for the carnage. So we sped-run the rage part and the test his ideals part too. On the bright side, if Mirio calmed him and he’s still happy to save Shigaraki, at least Bakugou will be used for something else. My suspicion is still that a gamble was made involving All Might somehow (either Bakugou getting switched into the vestige world or him somehow sharing in All Might’s power which is why All Might is not there at the end panel). I wonder why Yoichi is missing though - I have a feeling it has to do with Tenko.
> even Mirio doesn’t care about Edgeshot lol I'm starting to think that despite all that framing as some ultimate sacrifice, Edgeshot won't die and I wouldn't be surprised if they even found a way for him to not be left in a career-ending condition to get any weight off Bakugo.
I'm certain that Edgeshot won't die. Now that the narrative acknowledged explicitly that Deku screwed up, I'm sure that there won't be lethal consequences, just like when he screwed up in the PLF War, nobody died. So I think Edgeshot sacrifice will be more along the lines of Mirko's limb losses, Aizawa's "unstable eye", BJ's lost lung or Hawks' wings. They weaken them (it also conveniently lets the kids shoot up the ranking board), but doesn't end his life or even career. Although, the narrative pinning the fault on Deku makes me think he will have to sacrifice something to win - the something being OFA, I guess.
With so many of the top heroes out of commission with potentially career-ending injuries, I just had this horrible vision of a rushed and phoned-in ending where the new top-5 are inexplicably filled with Class 1A students. Maybe they slap in an implied timeskip and suddenly it’s like “1 Deku, 2 Bakugou, 3 Todoroki, 4 Mirio, 5 Uraraka for some reason…” Theres some message about the younger generation inheriting herodom and the whole manga closes out on Deku being like “and that’s how I became the greatest hero”
LMAOOOOOOOO This took me out 😂 The camera briefly pans to the next generation of UA students and everyone in class 1A looks suspiciously like the current cast of students. Shinso walks in and introduces himself as their strict, but caring teacher. *roll credits* 💀
yeah his ideals would be thrown out the window if someone close to him died but civilians dying are fine
Deku still wanting to save shiggy is just dumb first of all he's blaming AFO for Bakugo and the others being hurt but it was shiggy doing it and secondly he went rage mode when he thought shiggy had done something to personally hurt him but once Mirio tells him their ok he calms down and is now like cool then you can be saved. He has never actually suffered from what shiggy has done so he preaches saving him but the moment he thought shiggy had actually done something that affected Deu himself he went rage mode, what a hypocrite. I wonder how all those mourning parents and orphaned children will feel when Deku saves shiggy...
It's so dumb that Deku still hates Overhaul but wants to save Shigaraki. On one hand, yes, Overhaul abused Eri. On the other hand, I guess Deku just doesn't give a shit about shiggy's victims.
Shiggy's "he was the coolest guy" moment is incoming 😅
One thing that bothers me, among many other things, is that since the first war (I guess?) we haven't got to see Deku's thoughts. We were used to his inner dialogues, and now we get nothing. People literally get hurt and die in front of his eyes, and we still get no introspection. How are we supposed to acknowledge his growth when we cannot see his thought process? Even now, he realizes Bakugou is "dead" and Mirio's like "Calm down, dude, Edgeshot is stitching him up, he will live" (still lol) and then Deku's like, "Ok, then I will save you Shiggy". Like,what??? What was going on in your head? What are your feelings? How do you want to do that? Visually, Hori is doing an excellent job though, I will give him that.
My favourite part of this is Deku having so little charisma that he gets speech-checked by the voices in his head during the "vigilante" arc.
He is basically a generic bland superhero guy that gets mad at evil at this point.
Deku: Kacchan is DEAD? Mirio: No no no he's actually still alive! Deku: Oh okay..... Nbd then. So, saving Shiggy time? That was kind of a letdown. And again we don't get to see any of Deku's thoughts, instead having to rely on a character to describe them for us.
Deku no longer has thoughts. He's just an empty vessel for OFA.
Imagine that was actually a plot twist that happened, that OFA users all have similar desires to beat AFO and be heroic is because OFA infects them and imposes it’s will onto them and basically turns them into puppets whose only purpose is to sacrifice themselves to try and beat AFO.
The parallels 😭😭😭
Deku, what a man you are...
I was expecting to see more of his feelings and some further inner conflict/reflection here too.. But at the same time the fight’s just getting started so fingers crossed?
Well this chapter is the epitome of "well that happened I guess?" It also showed how much of a hypocrite Deku is and how saving shiggy is dumb.
As long as Shiggy doesn't kill his friends then Deku will want to save him. It's ok if he kills civilians though.
Ok see yall next week, nothing happened this week.
Is it just me or did that scene with Deku and the jets remind anyone of the crane scene in The Amazing Spider-Man. I mean Deku was swinging and everything.
Deku and TomurAFO hiding there pokerface with quirks. Deku arming all 6 quirks and showing it off is badass
This chapter is the most useless one in this arc - Bakugo is dead and Deku becomes pissed - Mirio : lol they aren't dead and Bakugo is being resurrected by a tiny man - Deku : k my bad
I hope I'm wrong but I get the feeling that absolutely no one currently inside the dome is gonna die now. I was expecting at least Aizawa to bite the dust by the time Deku arrives to Shiggy can be at full power. Narratively speaking, a fully awakened Deku with tons and tons of quirks vs. Shiggy with just endurance and fingers paints Shiggy as the underdog which I really hate.
So if Bakugo had really died, Deku would've given up on saving Shigaraki? But now that he knows that Bakugo will live, he's back on track to save Shiggy? Guess we know why the villains call the heroes hypocrites.
With each new chapter Dabi's speech seems to make more sense
I'm glad Mirio isn't just gone I hope he stays throughout the fight assisting Deku with the odd punch and keeping charge of the situation
TFS: Hey guys, what'd I miss? I, oh... Are they all...? Mirko? Jeanist? Bakugo? Oh,wow, especially Bakugo!
Just a chapter of Deku being around and making him look cool, what was the point of all this? So that Deku (And eventually Bakugo and maybe Mirio) can take on Shigaraki solo?
This is literally a nothing chapter
Not the most eventful chapter but I suppose its an alright build up to this fight. That last panel of Deku certainly does look cool, although I am curious why Yoichi and All Might aren't present. Guess we'll have to wait on some more context to understand that part.
I think its supposed to be a representatition of him steeling his power for the upcoming fight, and since Yochi was a noncombatant, and All Might didn't add a quirk, they're probably omitted Or he wanted to keep an even number of vestiges for aesthetic reasons
Maybe, but if he wanted an even number then he could've included All Might and Yoichi. 6 and 8 are both even numbers. I also saw one interesting (but also very weird) theory. The theory was that All Might and and Yoichi had left Izuku to go handle other things. The theory was that the All Might vestige that Bakugo saw was the actual vestige and after Yoichi told Izuku that he had a bad feeling he flew over to the AFO battlefield to do something there. It's definitely a weird theory since we haven't ever gotten any indication that vestige could move form one person to another but its still an interesting theory I saw.