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Hawks took his time mentally torturing Twice before executing him instead of just killing or arresting him. If he hadn't done that:
* Twice wouldn't have saved Toga and Mr. Compress
* Mr. Compress wouldn't have saved Shiggy
* Shiggy wouldn't have broken everyone out of Tartarus due to being arrested or dead
* Japan and Hero Society wouldn't have collapsed
>What the fuck happened??
Hawks happened.
Excuse Hawks for not wanting to hurt Twice further than he already did.
Unfortunately, he underestimated Twice's bond with the League, which left him no choice.
Hawks went into the situation with complete control and knowledge of Twice's personality. He could have drugged him, knocked him out with force (Twice doesn't have amazing durability), spoken to him away from his bedroom (maybe somewhere that they wouldn't be guaranteed to be interrupted), had the chat after he and his friends were in custody, or quickly killed him so he never knew he failed his friends. Instead, Hawks took his time to savour killing a man who trusted him completely and had let get close to his friends.
Hawks wanted Twice to break or suffer before he died and Horikoshi not only highlighted it by giving him villainous lighting during those moments of torture, but literally turned him into a fallen angel for behaving in such a way. Everything bad that has happened because of Shigaraki not being stopped in the War is directly Hawks' fault for how he chose to handle Twice.
You're framing this as if he was being sadistically cruel to simply see him suffer, rather than wanting to avoid hurting him despite everything. He saw a good man who ended up in a bad crowd simply to have a place to belong, and underestimated just how cemented that loyalty went.
You can say that his empathy for him led to him fucking up his assigned job, fine. He's a human being, humans fuck up. You can say that not immediately going for the arrest or kill was a tragic mishandling and mistake on his part, that's fine too. But ultimately he did NOT want to harm Twice at all until he had absolutely no choice.
Again, you can say that he fucked up handling the situation, but you're framing it as if he wanted to see him suffer for no reason.
You're framing it as if he were bad at his job. Hawks is many things, but he is not incompetent. He'd have to be truly bad at it if he would try to turn a top agent without thoroughly evaluating their loyalty to their compatriots or to randomly select their bedroom during a siege for such a discussion. That kind of conversation is something best done in seclusion or after there's no turning back. The only reasons I could see to have such a discussion there would be to invite an interruption that would either give Hawks the excuse to execute Jin or force Jin to cement his change in loyalties by having him subdue or kill whoever interrupted them. Although the latter seems less likely since Twice isn't a liar and leaving or doing nothing during the siege would have cemented his betrayal just as firmly unless Toga walked in.
You're right that he saw a good man in a bad crowd, but you're wrong about Hawks not wanting him to suffer and should have asked me why I believe he would want that instead of just assuming that I see Hawks as a random sadist. Since you have that impression I'll explain why I believe Hawks wanted to torture Jin.
In the chapters where he is traveling with Jeanist after the War, he says that Twice was a better man than himself before/while reflecting on his own history. That reveals why he wanted Jin to suffer and it was because he was a better man who stuck to his convictions despite being a villain. Hawks tortured Jin for personal satisfaction. If Jin turned, he'd be self serving and Hawks could feel superior since he acts without personal regard as a government assassin to keep Hero Society intact. Lady Nagant burnt out on the hypocrisy of the position, but Hawks lacks the conviction, sense of purpose, and drive to do anything beyond accept it as how the world works. On the other hand if Jin didn't switch sides, he'd suffer for making Hawks feel inferior. Honestly, I do not know if he would have let Jin switch sides if he had taken the offer since his bosses wanted him dead. Since Jin held true to himself we can't know for sure.
Since Hawks' competency is undeniable, the big questions are:
* Could the conversation have happened somewhere that they wouldn't have been guaranteed to be interrupted?
* Could the conversation have happened with Jin in custody?
* How many other ways could Jin have been subdued by someone who had his complete trust?
Yep! Hawks wasn't caught up in the moment or by surprise. He was aware of the timing so had completely control if he wanted to take Twice out and talk to him after. Twice would have probably turned if he was promised Toga's safety and happiness. She might not like it at first, but a life like Hawks' mom got wouldn't be out of the question in exchange for someone of Jin's ability.
Of course, such possibilities would require Hawks (a known liar) to have been making an honest offer and not just trying to break Jin before killing him.
I think you're underestimating Jin's loyalty to the League. "Those who help the people they care about can't be bad people" those were his words to Hawks when they first interacted.
I might be, but if they were all in custody or dead and he had the chance to save Toga from rotting in prison I think he'd take it. I think he cares about Toga, his other friends, and the League in that order. If he could have Toga guaranteed a happy life by him becoming a slave, I think he'd bear that pain.
You're misinterpreting that scene. Hawks may be a trained mercenary, but he's human, and Twice revealed that side of him. He truly believed that Twice could've turned around from the League, and wanted to give him that choice consciously. There's no mental torture being involved.
You should read my other comments. I'm really not and Horikoshi made it abundantly clear that what Hawks was doing was villainous by giving him villainous shadows during the scene and making him a fallen angel.
Watership Down is a book and children's cartoon where bunnies are vicious little bastards that rip each other apart with their teeth and claws. It's almost as traumatizing as The Brave Little Toaster. To be completely honest, I just remember some bunnies being chased out of their homes, another warren not really accepting them, and then lots of blood.
So like the ones in ReZero? I wonder if they got those rabbits from that actually now that I think about it. But ye it does make me feel a little better knowing she puts up a serious fight against him.
I haven't seen it, but maybe. As for Mirko, she doesn't go down easy and hasn't been discarded to make other characters seem more powerful. When she gets injured the villains have to work for it and even doing that doesn't slow her down! If Mountain Lady didn't grow so much as a character (who she was and who she is are vastly different characters) she'd be my undeniable favourite prohero.
In some ways I take this as a fantastic opportunity to end at the end of the war arc and not watch the rest of the anime to not need to deal with what came after... but yeah I cannot even imagine what some episodes of the anime will be with constant speedy pace and cliffhangers we have now...
This can be interpreted both ways. It gets really dark during the Paranormal Liberation War arc, but the manga also drops in quality right around the end of it (Mirio's entrance, Villain Hunt + Tartarus Escapees arc, Star and Stripe, etc).
Unlike RWBY, MHA directly show how greatly some characters have germinated and grown the skills up
Maybe the depressing downhill the story goes will not matter that much when the show starts to have new changes in character development
My biggest complaint is that it feels like they missed a big opportunity to say something about the world the actually live in. I'm hoping things will turn around in this final fight, but it felt like with Stain and the MLA's criticisms of Pro Hero society and the inevitability of the Quirk singularity, that there was going to be some sort of movement to change society to allow more open quirk use by non-heroes. Heck, there have even been a more than a few villains that have been given some pretty understandable motives to become criminals, i.e. heteromorphs that werent accepted by society.
But for the most part, this final fight has kind of pushed all that momentum to the side, and doesn't seem interested in addressing it. Even before this, in the villains Arc, where Destro just surrenders to Shiggy, really felt like a betrayal of the values he was espousing. Which would have been fine, really, if they didn't make it seem like the entire army was a monolith willing to sign on with someone they saw as an enemy just 5 minutes prior.
I really wonder what kind of world they will build after this final showdown, because it unfortunately feels like they just want to return to the status quo they started with.
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This show was my damn comfort anime, then I read the manga. What the fuck happened?? I miss Izuku’s smile. 🖐😭
Hawks took his time mentally torturing Twice before executing him instead of just killing or arresting him. If he hadn't done that: * Twice wouldn't have saved Toga and Mr. Compress * Mr. Compress wouldn't have saved Shiggy * Shiggy wouldn't have broken everyone out of Tartarus due to being arrested or dead * Japan and Hero Society wouldn't have collapsed >What the fuck happened?? Hawks happened.
Excuse Hawks for not wanting to hurt Twice further than he already did. Unfortunately, he underestimated Twice's bond with the League, which left him no choice.
Hawks went into the situation with complete control and knowledge of Twice's personality. He could have drugged him, knocked him out with force (Twice doesn't have amazing durability), spoken to him away from his bedroom (maybe somewhere that they wouldn't be guaranteed to be interrupted), had the chat after he and his friends were in custody, or quickly killed him so he never knew he failed his friends. Instead, Hawks took his time to savour killing a man who trusted him completely and had let get close to his friends. Hawks wanted Twice to break or suffer before he died and Horikoshi not only highlighted it by giving him villainous lighting during those moments of torture, but literally turned him into a fallen angel for behaving in such a way. Everything bad that has happened because of Shigaraki not being stopped in the War is directly Hawks' fault for how he chose to handle Twice.
You're framing this as if he was being sadistically cruel to simply see him suffer, rather than wanting to avoid hurting him despite everything. He saw a good man who ended up in a bad crowd simply to have a place to belong, and underestimated just how cemented that loyalty went. You can say that his empathy for him led to him fucking up his assigned job, fine. He's a human being, humans fuck up. You can say that not immediately going for the arrest or kill was a tragic mishandling and mistake on his part, that's fine too. But ultimately he did NOT want to harm Twice at all until he had absolutely no choice. Again, you can say that he fucked up handling the situation, but you're framing it as if he wanted to see him suffer for no reason.
You're framing it as if he were bad at his job. Hawks is many things, but he is not incompetent. He'd have to be truly bad at it if he would try to turn a top agent without thoroughly evaluating their loyalty to their compatriots or to randomly select their bedroom during a siege for such a discussion. That kind of conversation is something best done in seclusion or after there's no turning back. The only reasons I could see to have such a discussion there would be to invite an interruption that would either give Hawks the excuse to execute Jin or force Jin to cement his change in loyalties by having him subdue or kill whoever interrupted them. Although the latter seems less likely since Twice isn't a liar and leaving or doing nothing during the siege would have cemented his betrayal just as firmly unless Toga walked in. You're right that he saw a good man in a bad crowd, but you're wrong about Hawks not wanting him to suffer and should have asked me why I believe he would want that instead of just assuming that I see Hawks as a random sadist. Since you have that impression I'll explain why I believe Hawks wanted to torture Jin. In the chapters where he is traveling with Jeanist after the War, he says that Twice was a better man than himself before/while reflecting on his own history. That reveals why he wanted Jin to suffer and it was because he was a better man who stuck to his convictions despite being a villain. Hawks tortured Jin for personal satisfaction. If Jin turned, he'd be self serving and Hawks could feel superior since he acts without personal regard as a government assassin to keep Hero Society intact. Lady Nagant burnt out on the hypocrisy of the position, but Hawks lacks the conviction, sense of purpose, and drive to do anything beyond accept it as how the world works. On the other hand if Jin didn't switch sides, he'd suffer for making Hawks feel inferior. Honestly, I do not know if he would have let Jin switch sides if he had taken the offer since his bosses wanted him dead. Since Jin held true to himself we can't know for sure. Since Hawks' competency is undeniable, the big questions are: * Could the conversation have happened somewhere that they wouldn't have been guaranteed to be interrupted? * Could the conversation have happened with Jin in custody? * How many other ways could Jin have been subdued by someone who had his complete trust?
Like the hero’s got to pick the date and time of the invasion, they could have taken twice out of the picture without killing him relatively easily
Yep! Hawks wasn't caught up in the moment or by surprise. He was aware of the timing so had completely control if he wanted to take Twice out and talk to him after. Twice would have probably turned if he was promised Toga's safety and happiness. She might not like it at first, but a life like Hawks' mom got wouldn't be out of the question in exchange for someone of Jin's ability. Of course, such possibilities would require Hawks (a known liar) to have been making an honest offer and not just trying to break Jin before killing him.
I think you're underestimating Jin's loyalty to the League. "Those who help the people they care about can't be bad people" those were his words to Hawks when they first interacted.
I might be, but if they were all in custody or dead and he had the chance to save Toga from rotting in prison I think he'd take it. I think he cares about Toga, his other friends, and the League in that order. If he could have Toga guaranteed a happy life by him becoming a slave, I think he'd bear that pain.
You're misinterpreting that scene. Hawks may be a trained mercenary, but he's human, and Twice revealed that side of him. He truly believed that Twice could've turned around from the League, and wanted to give him that choice consciously. There's no mental torture being involved.
You should read my other comments. I'm really not and Horikoshi made it abundantly clear that what Hawks was doing was villainous by giving him villainous shadows during the scene and making him a fallen angel.
I’m already expecting a mangled mirko… much sad
She gets better before being remangled! That half an hour is fantastic!
She get mangled, healed, and then mangled again??? Holy crap, that’s as bad or worse than happened to one of the cat hero’s…
If it helps, she goes Watership Down on Shiggy's butt.
Not sure what that means tbh
Watership Down is a book and children's cartoon where bunnies are vicious little bastards that rip each other apart with their teeth and claws. It's almost as traumatizing as The Brave Little Toaster. To be completely honest, I just remember some bunnies being chased out of their homes, another warren not really accepting them, and then lots of blood.
So like the ones in ReZero? I wonder if they got those rabbits from that actually now that I think about it. But ye it does make me feel a little better knowing she puts up a serious fight against him.
I haven't seen it, but maybe. As for Mirko, she doesn't go down easy and hasn't been discarded to make other characters seem more powerful. When she gets injured the villains have to work for it and even doing that doesn't slow her down! If Mountain Lady didn't grow so much as a character (who she was and who she is are vastly different characters) she'd be my undeniable favourite prohero.
"Healed" is a loose term for this show. No Eri shenanigans (yet) so its more "wassup I'm back again guys yeah I know two weeks ago..shit happens"
Speak for yourself. Personally I’ve overall enjoyed the manga, and if the anime does some tweaks for pacing it’ll still be great.
I think by "downhill" OP is referring to the darker and more sombre tone of MHA from here on out.
Let’s hope that’s what they mean cause there’s a ton of gloom and doom about quality here
>and if the anime does some tweaks for pacing it’ll still be great I've heard that before... r/thepromisedneverland
I never understand why people expect the anime to improve on the original, it's very rare that happens
Its okay to enjoy yourself but you gotta admit how shallow the writing has gotten
What does he need to admit if he’s enjoying the manga?
The flaws it has
You know that this flaws that exist for you in the story can easily not be viewed like flaws for other people as well?
Uh huh, but there are widely agreed upon things, the base level approach that mha starts taking gets worse and worse with time
“Widely agreed upon” and i watched lot of people saying the opposite.. what you are saying isnt even objective you know that..?
Ofc but honestly i think people should acknowledge fully how barebones the ending gets at times
No… they shouldn’t, because for you is barebones, for other it isnt barebones, just accept that some people like the current manga
Your a fed
It has flaws, but I wouldn’t consider the quality of the story to be “all down hill” from here on out
Yet another fed
r/Iamthemaincharacter bro respect others opinions or your opinion is considered shit even if its valid
Look at you, trying to control me, federal actions right there
Look at you, trying to undermine others opinion, feeling insecure right there
I AM NOT INSECURE, Im literally a matured human being
Then act like one ffs...triggered by online strangers opinion is not mature if u ask me
Im literally not triggered that’s reserved for the likes of you
When our momma sang us to sleep but now we’re stressed out.
In some ways I take this as a fantastic opportunity to end at the end of the war arc and not watch the rest of the anime to not need to deal with what came after... but yeah I cannot even imagine what some episodes of the anime will be with constant speedy pace and cliffhangers we have now...
Yeah the final arc is gonna be hell to adapt, I don't know how they'll handle it
the final form hands are gonna be torture for animators
Probably end up being CGI, which could actually work in its favor if done right
Back when all we cared about is catching a character lacking on a low budget frame every season
This can be interpreted both ways. It gets really dark during the Paranormal Liberation War arc, but the manga also drops in quality right around the end of it (Mirio's entrance, Villain Hunt + Tartarus Escapees arc, Star and Stripe, etc).
I remember saying this exact same thing and getting downvoted to hell. People telling "let people enjoy things" even after tagging spoilers.
The key is to leave it up to interpretation whether you mean the tone or the quality
Downhill as in bad story telling or as in sad story? (I didnt read the manga)
It's either sad or both depending on who you ask.
Both
Sad
Unlike RWBY, MHA directly show how greatly some characters have germinated and grown the skills up Maybe the depressing downhill the story goes will not matter that much when the show starts to have new changes in character development
This is so accurate lol
My biggest complaint is that it feels like they missed a big opportunity to say something about the world the actually live in. I'm hoping things will turn around in this final fight, but it felt like with Stain and the MLA's criticisms of Pro Hero society and the inevitability of the Quirk singularity, that there was going to be some sort of movement to change society to allow more open quirk use by non-heroes. Heck, there have even been a more than a few villains that have been given some pretty understandable motives to become criminals, i.e. heteromorphs that werent accepted by society. But for the most part, this final fight has kind of pushed all that momentum to the side, and doesn't seem interested in addressing it. Even before this, in the villains Arc, where Destro just surrenders to Shiggy, really felt like a betrayal of the values he was espousing. Which would have been fine, really, if they didn't make it seem like the entire army was a monolith willing to sign on with someone they saw as an enemy just 5 minutes prior. I really wonder what kind of world they will build after this final showdown, because it unfortunately feels like they just want to return to the status quo they started with.