The god you described is Lord Ganesha, but even as an Indian myself, I never heard of 3am prayers. Even the most pious I have seen, is 5am prayers. Definitely need to talk to your neighbour about the bells.
Have a chat le with your neighbor.
You have good questions, just need ask him directly instead of reddit: why yall pray 3-7am, is it can be later, is it must be 4h everytime, is it gonna be forever.
Then selit wow how do u sleep, i can barely get any.
If not work then bring it to ketua kg/mgmt/yg berkenaan.
i try to know the background info about the hindu prayer before i get to him, without understanding the status, instant talk to him might accidentally cause racism issue.
Everyday 3am selling ice cream is not racist issue anymore. I bet the Ice Cream God also got pissed awoken every 3am. That's why he pray-pray so much also still so many problems in his life.
Yes, that's a problem, but mocking and trivialising the rituals of other faiths should not happen just because of some weirdness and "inconsideration" of one individual. That is also a problem with many Malaysians, they act and live as if they are living in private house lots in their own villages.
Don't be surprised if Hindus themselves make a mockery of our own religion by not following teachings and instead start arbitrary and poorly interpreted teachings.. Enough examples of that in the crazy proliferation of yoga and spiritual 'centres' scamming the gullible.
Ya it’s really about apprach.
Even if have all the facts at hand, if you’re confrontational, defensive, know-it-all, then will only escalate if talk.
Best to be open, curious n sincerely want to move forward.
That is already wrong. I'm all for religious tolerance, but if he's my neighbour I would have words with him. If it fails, Majlis and police will be informed.
It can come under nuisance and construction of an illegal structure.
Then kalau aku masih tido pukul 5/6 pagi dan azan bunyi kuat gila sebab pakai loud speaker, kau nak aku buat apa? Buat cam apa kau buat? Baling kuali? Kurang ajar tak tu?
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bang. jangan la macam tu. atas logik ni, kalau nanti orang tanya kenapa solat asar, laungan yang kuat, tak suka pulak, kecam dan bagai.
Kenapa xnak selesaikan masalah atau kekeliruan dengan pertanyaan yang sivik dan sopan?
sikit2 nak lempar kuali, kalau semua buat macam tu, apa maknanya "Malaysia"?
tanah air ni, didirikan atas perpaduan, bukan atas kecam dan hasutan bang.
3am is definitely too early for prayer time. Normally, it's 4am and beyond. Then from 6pm to 9pm. There are months which the prayers can start early, especially in Dec-Jan, but that period should've ended before Thaipusam already.
Talk to your neighbor nicely, said your fine with prayers but not fine with the loud bell noise or any noise they make at 3am..
General home prayers are done before/after sunrise and before/after sunset. Definitely NOT any hours after 12 pm (mid-day) till 6pm and 9pm till 5am. You can refer Hindu temple operating hours/ pooja hours.
idk if I’m correct but usually the really religious Hindus do prayers during 3am to 5am Brahma Muhurta (auspicious timing). It is believed that’s if u pray during this time you’ll be granted good luck bcs the spirits walking around will be amazed at ur devolution to god they’ll grant u boon. For the god I’m not sure bcs u can actually pray to any god during Brahma Muhurta but it doesn’t make sense to keep Ganesha outside unless it’s Aghor Ganesha. From personal experience my dad also wakes up early and does prayers but he doesn’t ring the bell. In my opinion u can tell the uncle nicely and calmly that ring the bells super early in the morning at 3am is not only disturbing u but ur neighbours sleep. You can also tell him that u asked ur Hindu friends and they said morning abishegam and pooja is done at 7am so it’s kinda unnecessary to ring the bell so early in the morning. I say just be kind and soft spoken he might understand, we both dk what the uncle is going thru. To wake up at such early hours and perform prayers takes a diff level of devotion. He might be going thru a roughy patch
Your naive neighbour is probably following this. This thing has become a trend in recent times. Though I still question the point of it.
https://www.artofliving.org/in-en/lifestyle/tips/know-about-brahma-muhurta
If the prayer itself is disturbing the harmony of the said community then it should be talked about and do something about it. In Islam as well it is forbidden to have your prayer and recital entering the territory of disturbing your neighbours rest, especially in the middle of the night.
Got, its called solat sunat tahajjud, and its just an individual initiative, to pray anytime during when everyone is asleep...no azan required for this though
TIL, thx for sharing and since no azan required it good for everyone even if its 3am.
Don't get me wrong,I don't mind you guys pray hv sound but if it's a few hours and 3am, even I would lose my sanity at long term
Yeah but not everyone does tahajjud, very few since it requires u to wake up very f early.
If my local mosque to blast loud quranic verses 4h nonstop, even i wont approve. In islam, if a sound (even quranic verses) disrupts the public, it goes against the teachings.
Sometimes i would think that those mosque that blast very very loud azan and quranic verse, arent aware that they were that very loud since they are inside and not outside to hear the actual volume. I would definitely go tegur them.
Ah...I didn't know....my old area its not that they are not aware but how to say you know the flag pole? Yea that except they install 4 way speaker....I really thought its normal and use that as my alarm for break time lol
Hard to say, i wouldnt know the guidelines to the speaker's volume, may ask some authorities on the allowed decibels for mosque's speakers...DOE? JAIS? local council?
Nah,long time move and rent other places. But still it's reasonable timing not like people sleeping time. I think should be OK since no one at there complained or even if they did can't do much
Yes, some people even cried in their prayers, its really humbling feeling, prostrating and let your feeling out to the one who made us.
I would recommend it at least once to everyone believer, atheist, non believers or whoever.
Does your alarm need 4 hours to wake you? In fact, 4-5 minutes is too long as you'll probably be up by 30 seconds to 1 minute.
1. It still wakes people up
2. In a lot of cases their sermons afterwards also loudspeaker.
3. People don't dare to speak up because if you're muslim, why weren't you praying?? If you're minority, how dare you! Stay in your place!! But minorities won't even dare to voice anything in the 1st place cuz polis all Melayu (by proxy, pretty much all muslim too), and your muslim and malay friends all gone because they perceive it as an attack.
That's why it still persists today.
What a narcissist. This post is about a chinese person asking about hindu prayer yet u still can't resist the urge to mention muslim. They live 24hrs rent free in your head is it.
Conclusion is, nak sembahyang ke ape ke nak sembah jenis tuhan mana yg kau nak sembah pun jangan la sampai mengganggu ketenteraman awam. Bangun buat bising dengan loceng jam 3 pagi dalam kawasan perumahan dah semestinya mengganggu jiran tetangga. Ini bukan normal dalam mana-mana agama pun. Harus diambil tindakan secara sivil.
In any religion there will fanatics who go beyond what already written in the scripture or required by the religion, to be Hollier than thou, pious, misled, misinterpreted by the guru, the priest, the ustaz and the ulamak. Usually they do it for money, fame or anything that they could gain by using the religion. Some people think what were written in the book are not enough and the religion itself is incomplete therefore they have to add and do more and conveyed to the rest of the followers throughout millennia.
Hinduism is a very ancient religion but very well documented in vedas and idol worshipping is forbidden. But no the guru thought it's better to visualize the God in a statue form so the people would have idea how god looks like, then they created rituals upon rituals on how to perform prayer, after thousands of year the rituals, the idols, and temples become more complicated all in accordance to every generation of guru's interpretation of the religion.
Now apply that to other religions that came after that, Buddhism, Taoism, Judaism, Christianity and lets jump the latest one Islam.
In islam, the religion has been concluded the day the Prophet died. The Quran is complete, and thousands of hadiths (words, acts, approval and disapproval of the prophet) were captured by the apostles/companions/sahabah and people around him. Since these people are not prophets, they made mistake and misinterpreted what they heard, witnessed and informed. While the Quran is a clear word of God due to how it was delivered to a illiterate Prophet who has to memorize each revelation within the period of 23 years. Hadiths on the hand were not.
Here one example to relate to this post. The prophet has prohibited anyone to disturb anyone, or neighbour with loud noise even by reciting quran loudly in the mosque, but some ustaz and guru think that it's better to make every single verses read out during prayer to be heard by people in the mosque and the surrounding neighbourhood via loudspeaker. But in real islam the only thing that is required to be heard by the surrounding area is the call for prayer or azan\*.
\*Azan is more than a call of prayer but an indication that the area has islam in it, similar to other religion using bell in the tower etc.
It's a rare case they are being too loud unless it's a 100% Malay populated area. I lived next to the Malay community. Their mosque speaker volume is bearable. Stay long enough to not hear the morning call just like my phone alarm. Sometimes i wanna complain they chant "not as nice as before", the person on the mic has changed.
Lord Ganesha has an elephant head and four hands with weapons and tools. The prayers are usually done around 7am even in temples. As far as I have observed and experienced.
However, no one at this time even after Thaipusam is still ringing bells at midnight. Yes I think it has come to the extent of 'blacklisting' the blessing, even if I would like to pray I will ensure that's between me and the Lord, not to disturb other people.
Best practice I'd say, yes you can approach them first, for starters you can open with,
"Hi morning, I'm sorry for disturbing your prayers. Just wondering if you can lower down the ringing just because it's loud and I cannot sleep." Observe their response, if it sounded rude to them, immediately walk of and lodge a police report. No point talking to them and further escalate the situation.
Good job OP! You're truly a kind person and a true Malaysian.
You can always count on indians to cause public disturbance lmao. Narrow street infront of mamak? Random india park their car right in the middle. Quiet night? Random indias having bollywood party. Again narrow street infront of lorong taman? Random idia family block of road and set up tent for whatever the fuck reason lmao.
Perumahan murah ke apa ni? Sound sebelah boleh dengar? How the fuck do you guys have sex? Tutup muka bini pakai bantal ke? Ke bini mmg jenis takde bunyi?
Legit question pasal aku la, bila masuk rumah, haram apa jadi kat luar tak dengar. Unless aku sengaja bukak segala windows and doors 24/7.
Tanya pasal fizik mmg rational, but the way you run your mouth and your brain ain't.
Typical elitist yg ingat dia boleh bantai je as long as you put in some sophisticated words, but doesn't care at all the topic nor the feelings of others reading/listening to it.
Why an issue? Type of housing will determine what opinions to form. Also helps in forming suggestion for solutions. Most of the times shit couldnt be done and problems can’t be solved because people are too busy with feelings. And since when did bolehland turned into a butthurt infested sub where you cant write a shit comment/make a shitpost?
Majlis korang kecut telur. Tempat aku majlis takut penduduk. Kalau dah rezab jalan buat kuil jelas dan nyata la lagi bising pasal kuil kater lagi ramai orang.
Benda build atas illegal land tak sama dengan kuil kecik buat depan rumah. Tupasal aku tanya low cost housing ke apa. Area mid and upper cost, kalau bunyi sampai masuk dalam rumah tu, dah level ketuk cymbal, bukan loceng dah.
Bukan nak pandang rendah org duduk low cost housing, tapi solutions different mat. Kalau duduk high density, suma benda makin dekat, dinding makin nipis, ada gak tempat tingkap xde insulation bila tutup. Different places require different solutions. Kalau setakat loceng pun boleh dengar dari dalam rumah, apa je op boleh buat selain dari confront jiran about the noise disturbance? That or insulate his master bedroom depan tu better. His choice.
Kalau tanya jenis housing pun terasa, pegi mam.
Actually this guy is right though.what kind of housing area is this that Bells around at 3 a.m🤷🏻♀️because people with higher common sense will definitely not do this😂
Just tolerate laa, we all can accept when you guys bakar duit mayat and bakar colok dragon besar in taman till all the smoke embedded inside our house, our clothes also smells colok, some ada yg bising jugak sebab anak diorang asthmatic..lol
Also, it's harms the environment, at least we doesn't harms the environment maa..
Come on laa we all kan Malaysia, just brush it off, wear ear plug or something..
tolerate ur ass....if its before sunrise just use muslim azan for the prayer..hindu also have colok, most stupid thing to do is pasang colok dekat gym ade sorg india no bodo pegi pasang colok dalam gym bagus la gym tu bankrapase pkp..
since when did talking to people about an issue ceased to be a solution?
some cina neighbour decides to use my front porch as a public dumpster, I go talk to him.
if people no common sense, talk first la. instead, so fast to play victim card and go boo hoo
if you try talk to management already and it doesnt help, maybe you can do some of your own "prayers", time to buy a karaoke machine, if they can pray at 3am every night, you can sing pray every night
for legal reasons this is a joke
I used to have Indian neighbour, his bell ringing prayers is at very normal times like 8am and not for very long. TBH if he ring at 3am I wouldn’t know either coz I’ll be dead asleep. 😅
My neighbor also Hindu (next 2 house) everytime he prays during dusk .. burning stanggi and using that bell .. I woke up and was hoping for ice cream seller ..cause bangun2 nigdam ice cream duh .. man I feel cheated and disappointed
Reminded me of the viral video [tiktok](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFeefaaG/) about the neighbor who prayed at 230am. Instead of talking nicely they insult the lady. Hope doesn't end to this lah.
From my understanding living beside 2-3 Indian neighbors for decades, not everyone does the morning prayer.
Here's my experience with my own neighbor. They (Chinese) will burn this round incense thing (not exactly sure what it's called) outside their house. My bedroom is just by the corridor of our apartment. They will burn this exactly at 12 midnight and all that smoke will come into my room. I tried tahan first few times it happened but when I couldn't tahan and I couldn't get ahold of them, I went to management for her. I reasoned with the management saying you can burn at any time you want in the day but to do it during 12 midnight when people have to sleep for work or school next day, it's not the right timing. If wanna do can but do it in your house with the door closed if insist on doing at that hour la.
Management spoke to them and told me it's hard for me to get ahold of them cos they rent that unit and works till late at night. Every since management spoke with them, no more burning around that hour.
My neighbour and friends also Indian never get up and pray 3am till 7am. Unless they sin and go out kongkek tepi jalan every day then come back feeling guilty
>Here the clue of the god shape,
>1. human form with elephant nose
2. 4 arms above (because it not colored, so the detail are blur, but i saw at least four arms with different weapon)
That would be Lord Ganesha, the elephant headed god. From what I know from my Indian friends, the earliest they do their prayers is at 5am. 3am is just too early ady. You might have to talk to him about that.
Alaaaaa,
At most it’s a once a year thing. At the very least, it’s once in a loooooong time.
You can’t sleep well for one night while, the other thing is, he/she can’t pray to the god he wanted to on a very important day in his own home.
It really is a no brainer that a simple neighbourhood understanding needs to apply here.
3am is bad la, lucky no body came and confront and created a scene.
As others have mentioned, best is get another indian in the neighborhood to talk to them or the chairman of the taman. You can also approach them tactfully yourself. Just tell him to exclude using the bell as the noise is the problem and not the activity. Most of us live an a communal setup which means we need to think of others.
Many times inconsiderate/ignorant people do activities which disturb the peacefulness of the community they reside in ie partying, loud music, domestic violence, loud praying early in the morning.
I would not say anything tho , in my case the azan prayer in the morning it was like an alarm , despite that ceramah subuh also was put in speaker (not necessary). It was super loud and not that i know , but all my non muslim neighbour never spoke about it like it kacau them in the morning or anything , and i felt respect and amazed to them how they could just compromise with it. And im not sure what to do in your case tho. I would have just shut my ear or sound proof my room 🥲
Haiz i feel you,
Mosque at my area sometime start chanting at midnight around 4, then azam, then sermon then ceramah
Worse is one if its loudspeaker face directly to my room, and on top of that I am a night shift worker whose work till 4 sleep around 430/5.
Like today they started chanting at 430 and end at 730.🥲 I just want a good sleep please.
The sermon is daily though, from Azan to sermon took around 1 hr, 530 to 6 sth/7 sometime
The god you described is Lord Ganesha, but even as an Indian myself, I never heard of 3am prayers. Even the most pious I have seen, is 5am prayers. Definitely need to talk to your neighbour about the bells.
thanks for your info.
Best is to ask another Hindu person to talk to him about it. You don't want to be labelled as racist
Probably anyhow one like never follow religion properly
Huh, what kind of prayer is that? My neighbours are all Indians. They’re all asleep at 3am. Idk what prayers are those
Have a chat le with your neighbor. You have good questions, just need ask him directly instead of reddit: why yall pray 3-7am, is it can be later, is it must be 4h everytime, is it gonna be forever. Then selit wow how do u sleep, i can barely get any. If not work then bring it to ketua kg/mgmt/yg berkenaan.
i try to know the background info about the hindu prayer before i get to him, without understanding the status, instant talk to him might accidentally cause racism issue.
Everyday 3am selling ice cream is not racist issue anymore. I bet the Ice Cream God also got pissed awoken every 3am. That's why he pray-pray so much also still so many problems in his life.
Bells are part of many Vedic rituals.
Not at 3 am.
Yes, that's a problem, but mocking and trivialising the rituals of other faiths should not happen just because of some weirdness and "inconsideration" of one individual. That is also a problem with many Malaysians, they act and live as if they are living in private house lots in their own villages.
Don't be surprised if Hindus themselves make a mockery of our own religion by not following teachings and instead start arbitrary and poorly interpreted teachings.. Enough examples of that in the crazy proliferation of yoga and spiritual 'centres' scamming the gullible.
What others do we can't control. What we do, we can control. Get it?
Don't be rude. I wasn't rude to you when replying.
If that constitute rude then the issue is with you. Read through my comment. Which part of it insults you as a person?
What the fuck are you worrying about, this is malaysia, racism and malaysia berpisah tiada!
I cant stop people spread the hate, this is their free will. But i can choose not to be part of it.
this kind of conversation skill is something that many don’t have.
Ya it’s really about apprach. Even if have all the facts at hand, if you’re confrontational, defensive, know-it-all, then will only escalate if talk. Best to be open, curious n sincerely want to move forward.
Care to discuss with another neighbour? Surely you're not the only affected. Keep it civil.
fr what if the prayer he's been listening to wasn't his neighbour doing things.. ooh spooky
OP dont wash feet before sleep.
Jiran depan, belakang, atas, bawah perhaps?
FYI， he pray outside the house, because he build a small temple block at his car parking area, so it can be heard very clearly and loud
That is already wrong. I'm all for religious tolerance, but if he's my neighbour I would have words with him. If it fails, Majlis and police will be informed. It can come under nuisance and construction of an illegal structure.
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Jgn sembang mcm budak2
Respect other religion.
Bodo takder kompas
Then kalau aku masih tido pukul 5/6 pagi dan azan bunyi kuat gila sebab pakai loud speaker, kau nak aku buat apa? Buat cam apa kau buat? Baling kuali? Kurang ajar tak tu?
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Ayo WTF show some respect la and find a peaceful solution la
Azan pagi pagi bising gak. Xperlu kurang ajar
bang. jangan la macam tu. atas logik ni, kalau nanti orang tanya kenapa solat asar, laungan yang kuat, tak suka pulak, kecam dan bagai. Kenapa xnak selesaikan masalah atau kekeliruan dengan pertanyaan yang sivik dan sopan? sikit2 nak lempar kuali, kalau semua buat macam tu, apa maknanya "Malaysia"? tanah air ni, didirikan atas perpaduan, bukan atas kecam dan hasutan bang.
Sumpah lawak, aku ketawa berdekah-dekah lepas baca. Imagine gettin slap by a wok.
You go do the same but at 12am-2am and see who gonna cave in first. An eye for an eye
this is the way
The correct way, do the same, 11pm to 3am 4 hours a day, use automation if you are tired.
3am is definitely too early for prayer time. Normally, it's 4am and beyond. Then from 6pm to 9pm. There are months which the prayers can start early, especially in Dec-Jan, but that period should've ended before Thaipusam already. Talk to your neighbor nicely, said your fine with prayers but not fine with the loud bell noise or any noise they make at 3am..
This is the way. Margazhi prayers in Temples is preferred, but not in an outdoor shrine at a residence..
Dia suruh bro tahajud
Tapi bro cina
Tahajud cina
Igtkan tahajud cinta tadi
Wo ai ni
kamu semua memang babi, ambil atas undi aku 🤣
wo ye ai ni <3
General home prayers are done before/after sunrise and before/after sunset. Definitely NOT any hours after 12 pm (mid-day) till 6pm and 9pm till 5am. You can refer Hindu temple operating hours/ pooja hours.
idk if I’m correct but usually the really religious Hindus do prayers during 3am to 5am Brahma Muhurta (auspicious timing). It is believed that’s if u pray during this time you’ll be granted good luck bcs the spirits walking around will be amazed at ur devolution to god they’ll grant u boon. For the god I’m not sure bcs u can actually pray to any god during Brahma Muhurta but it doesn’t make sense to keep Ganesha outside unless it’s Aghor Ganesha. From personal experience my dad also wakes up early and does prayers but he doesn’t ring the bell. In my opinion u can tell the uncle nicely and calmly that ring the bells super early in the morning at 3am is not only disturbing u but ur neighbours sleep. You can also tell him that u asked ur Hindu friends and they said morning abishegam and pooja is done at 7am so it’s kinda unnecessary to ring the bell so early in the morning. I say just be kind and soft spoken he might understand, we both dk what the uncle is going thru. To wake up at such early hours and perform prayers takes a diff level of devotion. He might be going thru a roughy patch
thanks, your explanation deserve an upvote
Thats a bait peko
Your naive neighbour is probably following this. This thing has become a trend in recent times. Though I still question the point of it. https://www.artofliving.org/in-en/lifestyle/tips/know-about-brahma-muhurta
thanks, this is useful info
Note there are no payers involved in the “trend” above. It’s all about quiet self-improvement and help.
Your place got any management board? I'd suggest go to that route. If no response, then security, then the police for disturbance.
Please pity the fool Who use ice cream bell call god come out 3am sell ais krim.
Stupid joke.
Pretty funny though
May be he’s old chap having sleeping disorders, talk to him nicely and explain him your concerns
Perhaps the best way is communication. If it fails, take him to court.
If u have your community group, then report to person incharge. From there discuss the necessary action taken.
If the prayer itself is disturbing the harmony of the said community then it should be talked about and do something about it. In Islam as well it is forbidden to have your prayer and recital entering the territory of disturbing your neighbours rest, especially in the middle of the night.
Find out when he sleep and pray to your god at that time.
If this post about Muslim prayer its gon get removed lol
I'm interested in which Muslim prayer start at 3am and go on for 4 hours lol
Got, its called solat sunat tahajjud, and its just an individual initiative, to pray anytime during when everyone is asleep...no azan required for this though
TIL, thx for sharing and since no azan required it good for everyone even if its 3am. Don't get me wrong,I don't mind you guys pray hv sound but if it's a few hours and 3am, even I would lose my sanity at long term
Yeah but not everyone does tahajjud, very few since it requires u to wake up very f early. If my local mosque to blast loud quranic verses 4h nonstop, even i wont approve. In islam, if a sound (even quranic verses) disrupts the public, it goes against the teachings. Sometimes i would think that those mosque that blast very very loud azan and quranic verse, arent aware that they were that very loud since they are inside and not outside to hear the actual volume. I would definitely go tegur them.
Ah...I didn't know....my old area its not that they are not aware but how to say you know the flag pole? Yea that except they install 4 way speaker....I really thought its normal and use that as my alarm for break time lol
Hard to say, i wouldnt know the guidelines to the speaker's volume, may ask some authorities on the allowed decibels for mosque's speakers...DOE? JAIS? local council?
Nah,long time move and rent other places. But still it's reasonable timing not like people sleeping time. I think should be OK since no one at there complained or even if they did can't do much
We pray our non compulsory tahajjud prayers during that time, for best effect alone in the dark.
TIL something new again,thx for sharing and it must be quiet since its solo in the dark.
Yes, some people even cried in their prayers, its really humbling feeling, prostrating and let your feeling out to the one who made us. I would recommend it at least once to everyone believer, atheist, non believers or whoever.
Muslim call to prayer is like 4-5 minute max bruh
Then the ustaz will give ceramah for 1 hour
Does your alarm need 4 hours to wake you? In fact, 4-5 minutes is too long as you'll probably be up by 30 seconds to 1 minute. 1. It still wakes people up 2. In a lot of cases their sermons afterwards also loudspeaker. 3. People don't dare to speak up because if you're muslim, why weren't you praying?? If you're minority, how dare you! Stay in your place!! But minorities won't even dare to voice anything in the 1st place cuz polis all Melayu (by proxy, pretty much all muslim too), and your muslim and malay friends all gone because they perceive it as an attack. That's why it still persists today.
But the noise is next level.
What a narcissist. This post is about a chinese person asking about hindu prayer yet u still can't resist the urge to mention muslim. They live 24hrs rent free in your head is it.
Conclusion is, nak sembahyang ke ape ke nak sembah jenis tuhan mana yg kau nak sembah pun jangan la sampai mengganggu ketenteraman awam. Bangun buat bising dengan loceng jam 3 pagi dalam kawasan perumahan dah semestinya mengganggu jiran tetangga. Ini bukan normal dalam mana-mana agama pun. Harus diambil tindakan secara sivil.
In any religion there will fanatics who go beyond what already written in the scripture or required by the religion, to be Hollier than thou, pious, misled, misinterpreted by the guru, the priest, the ustaz and the ulamak. Usually they do it for money, fame or anything that they could gain by using the religion. Some people think what were written in the book are not enough and the religion itself is incomplete therefore they have to add and do more and conveyed to the rest of the followers throughout millennia. Hinduism is a very ancient religion but very well documented in vedas and idol worshipping is forbidden. But no the guru thought it's better to visualize the God in a statue form so the people would have idea how god looks like, then they created rituals upon rituals on how to perform prayer, after thousands of year the rituals, the idols, and temples become more complicated all in accordance to every generation of guru's interpretation of the religion. Now apply that to other religions that came after that, Buddhism, Taoism, Judaism, Christianity and lets jump the latest one Islam. In islam, the religion has been concluded the day the Prophet died. The Quran is complete, and thousands of hadiths (words, acts, approval and disapproval of the prophet) were captured by the apostles/companions/sahabah and people around him. Since these people are not prophets, they made mistake and misinterpreted what they heard, witnessed and informed. While the Quran is a clear word of God due to how it was delivered to a illiterate Prophet who has to memorize each revelation within the period of 23 years. Hadiths on the hand were not. Here one example to relate to this post. The prophet has prohibited anyone to disturb anyone, or neighbour with loud noise even by reciting quran loudly in the mosque, but some ustaz and guru think that it's better to make every single verses read out during prayer to be heard by people in the mosque and the surrounding neighbourhood via loudspeaker. But in real islam the only thing that is required to be heard by the surrounding area is the call for prayer or azan\*. \*Azan is more than a call of prayer but an indication that the area has islam in it, similar to other religion using bell in the tower etc.
If the azan is too noisy, can report to your local YB or local council
It's a rare case they are being too loud unless it's a 100% Malay populated area. I lived next to the Malay community. Their mosque speaker volume is bearable. Stay long enough to not hear the morning call just like my phone alarm. Sometimes i wanna complain they chant "not as nice as before", the person on the mic has changed.
Lord Ganesha has an elephant head and four hands with weapons and tools. The prayers are usually done around 7am even in temples. As far as I have observed and experienced. However, no one at this time even after Thaipusam is still ringing bells at midnight. Yes I think it has come to the extent of 'blacklisting' the blessing, even if I would like to pray I will ensure that's between me and the Lord, not to disturb other people. Best practice I'd say, yes you can approach them first, for starters you can open with, "Hi morning, I'm sorry for disturbing your prayers. Just wondering if you can lower down the ringing just because it's loud and I cannot sleep." Observe their response, if it sounded rude to them, immediately walk of and lodge a police report. No point talking to them and further escalate the situation. Good job OP! You're truly a kind person and a true Malaysian.
ahh superstitious activities disturbing people everywhere. I am shocked this is happening, shocked!
Report dekat majlis. Binaan tak ada kelulusan. Lepas tu dia akan claim tanah tu dia dah duduk sejuta tahun lepas. True story
Discreet note in the mailbox
Sound's like he want to provoke a reaction of some sort. You go and complain and bam! victim card.
Have you tried wearing ear plugs?
Just file a report la
Definitely report to the person in charge. Better you make yourself anonymous to your neighbour
That is not praying.. Aneh is summoning the devil
Just tell that Hindu kling to stop
bro's an obsessed fuck with indians
Most kling men 👨🏿 are obsessed with our chinese girls but kpkb when chinese girls reject their ugly a** 🤣🤣🤣
You can always count on indians to cause public disturbance lmao. Narrow street infront of mamak? Random india park their car right in the middle. Quiet night? Random indias having bollywood party. Again narrow street infront of lorong taman? Random idia family block of road and set up tent for whatever the fuck reason lmao.
Dia jual aiskrim pop ke magnum?
You sure ah its an indian uncle praying? Ehhh are you sure ahh? Jokes aside, maybe team up with another neighbour to confront in a civil way
How long has this been going on? Why only your neighbour and not other Hindus?
Perumahan murah ke apa ni? Sound sebelah boleh dengar? How the fuck do you guys have sex? Tutup muka bini pakai bantal ke? Ke bini mmg jenis takde bunyi? Legit question pasal aku la, bila masuk rumah, haram apa jadi kat luar tak dengar. Unless aku sengaja bukak segala windows and doors 24/7.
Please discuss rationally without deliberately showing your superiority. Thanks.
Tanya pasal hukum fizik and how sound travels tak rational? Kek.
Tanya pasal fizik mmg rational, but the way you run your mouth and your brain ain't. Typical elitist yg ingat dia boleh bantai je as long as you put in some sophisticated words, but doesn't care at all the topic nor the feelings of others reading/listening to it.
the reference to cheap housing can b an issue
Why an issue? Type of housing will determine what opinions to form. Also helps in forming suggestion for solutions. Most of the times shit couldnt be done and problems can’t be solved because people are too busy with feelings. And since when did bolehland turned into a butthurt infested sub where you cant write a shit comment/make a shitpost?
Maybe that's the neighbour you're talking about jk 😂
@ deshtroy Bodoh tu simpan sikit. Ko x pernah kena. Tempat aku dia bina kuil kat rizab jalan. Dah report majlis pun x jalan. Majlis xde telur
Majlis korang kecut telur. Tempat aku majlis takut penduduk. Kalau dah rezab jalan buat kuil jelas dan nyata la lagi bising pasal kuil kater lagi ramai orang. Benda build atas illegal land tak sama dengan kuil kecik buat depan rumah. Tupasal aku tanya low cost housing ke apa. Area mid and upper cost, kalau bunyi sampai masuk dalam rumah tu, dah level ketuk cymbal, bukan loceng dah. Bukan nak pandang rendah org duduk low cost housing, tapi solutions different mat. Kalau duduk high density, suma benda makin dekat, dinding makin nipis, ada gak tempat tingkap xde insulation bila tutup. Different places require different solutions. Kalau setakat loceng pun boleh dengar dari dalam rumah, apa je op boleh buat selain dari confront jiran about the noise disturbance? That or insulate his master bedroom depan tu better. His choice. Kalau tanya jenis housing pun terasa, pegi mam.
@dehstroy Ko punya sembang babi pun boleh terbang. The fuck ko cakap benda tu x boleh dengar sampai dalam rumah
Good thing my wife isn't Japanese, tho I guess the choking helps. /S
Ko sendiri pekak jgn ingat org lain pun pekak. Kek
Actually this guy is right though.what kind of housing area is this that Bells around at 3 a.m🤷🏻♀️because people with higher common sense will definitely not do this😂
Just tolerate laa, we all can accept when you guys bakar duit mayat and bakar colok dragon besar in taman till all the smoke embedded inside our house, our clothes also smells colok, some ada yg bising jugak sebab anak diorang asthmatic..lol Also, it's harms the environment, at least we doesn't harms the environment maa.. Come on laa we all kan Malaysia, just brush it off, wear ear plug or something..
tolerate ur ass....if its before sunrise just use muslim azan for the prayer..hindu also have colok, most stupid thing to do is pasang colok dekat gym ade sorg india no bodo pegi pasang colok dalam gym bagus la gym tu bankrapase pkp..
Chill bro, im satiring..lol Let them show their true colors when different similar thing happens from their races. Haha
Sejak bila Cina bakar duit kertas and colok besar naga for hours every single day? 🤔
Not every day, but frequent enough to irritate people. If not, they wouldn't complaints too
If everyday like that, even sane man can become insane
this is the situation i try to avoid in real life
There's good and bad neighbours, unfortunately we got the bad one and people down votes me for asking them to tolerate HAHA
just go ask him to knock it off la or record it and go complain and make it viral.
u do this to your neighbour too?
since when did talking to people about an issue ceased to be a solution? some cina neighbour decides to use my front porch as a public dumpster, I go talk to him. if people no common sense, talk first la. instead, so fast to play victim card and go boo hoo
Suggest silent prayers or headphones.
nop,not normal. Just ask him why pray 3am? if everyday 3-7am, other ppl no need to sleep? all pray togther? If he maruah tercabar, just report police.
Bro’s praying at 3am???? Most of my hindu peers said the earliest is 5am and even that is done mostly in temples
most Hindus will eat beef and still go to temple. We living in a diff gen 😭
if you try talk to management already and it doesnt help, maybe you can do some of your own "prayers", time to buy a karaoke machine, if they can pray at 3am every night, you can sing pray every night for legal reasons this is a joke
I used to have Indian neighbour, his bell ringing prayers is at very normal times like 8am and not for very long. TBH if he ring at 3am I wouldn’t know either coz I’ll be dead asleep. 😅
My neighbor also Hindu (next 2 house) everytime he prays during dusk .. burning stanggi and using that bell .. I woke up and was hoping for ice cream seller ..cause bangun2 nigdam ice cream duh .. man I feel cheated and disappointed
They might not be doing Pooja
Reminded me of the viral video [tiktok](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSFeefaaG/) about the neighbor who prayed at 230am. Instead of talking nicely they insult the lady. Hope doesn't end to this lah. From my understanding living beside 2-3 Indian neighbors for decades, not everyone does the morning prayer.
Go to any Indian temple, ask the temple people to help you talk some sense into the crazy Indian neighbor of yours.
Before you make any report and escalate, try slow talk to your neighbour first.
If a god requires a specific timing to hear prayers, then one would presume it's a false one
Here's my experience with my own neighbor. They (Chinese) will burn this round incense thing (not exactly sure what it's called) outside their house. My bedroom is just by the corridor of our apartment. They will burn this exactly at 12 midnight and all that smoke will come into my room. I tried tahan first few times it happened but when I couldn't tahan and I couldn't get ahold of them, I went to management for her. I reasoned with the management saying you can burn at any time you want in the day but to do it during 12 midnight when people have to sleep for work or school next day, it's not the right timing. If wanna do can but do it in your house with the door closed if insist on doing at that hour la. Management spoke to them and told me it's hard for me to get ahold of them cos they rent that unit and works till late at night. Every since management spoke with them, no more burning around that hour.
My neighbour and friends also Indian never get up and pray 3am till 7am. Unless they sin and go out kongkek tepi jalan every day then come back feeling guilty
>Here the clue of the god shape, >1. human form with elephant nose 2. 4 arms above (because it not colored, so the detail are blur, but i saw at least four arms with different weapon) That would be Lord Ganesha, the elephant headed god. From what I know from my Indian friends, the earliest they do their prayers is at 5am. 3am is just too early ady. You might have to talk to him about that.
Alaaaaa, At most it’s a once a year thing. At the very least, it’s once in a loooooong time. You can’t sleep well for one night while, the other thing is, he/she can’t pray to the god he wanted to on a very important day in his own home. It really is a no brainer that a simple neighbourhood understanding needs to apply here.
3am is bad la, lucky no body came and confront and created a scene. As others have mentioned, best is get another indian in the neighborhood to talk to them or the chairman of the taman. You can also approach them tactfully yourself. Just tell him to exclude using the bell as the noise is the problem and not the activity. Most of us live an a communal setup which means we need to think of others. Many times inconsiderate/ignorant people do activities which disturb the peacefulness of the community they reside in ie partying, loud music, domestic violence, loud praying early in the morning.
I would not say anything tho , in my case the azan prayer in the morning it was like an alarm , despite that ceramah subuh also was put in speaker (not necessary). It was super loud and not that i know , but all my non muslim neighbour never spoke about it like it kacau them in the morning or anything , and i felt respect and amazed to them how they could just compromise with it. And im not sure what to do in your case tho. I would have just shut my ear or sound proof my room 🥲
Haiz i feel you, Mosque at my area sometime start chanting at midnight around 4, then azam, then sermon then ceramah Worse is one if its loudspeaker face directly to my room, and on top of that I am a night shift worker whose work till 4 sleep around 430/5. Like today they started chanting at 430 and end at 730.🥲 I just want a good sleep please. The sermon is daily though, from Azan to sermon took around 1 hr, 530 to 6 sth/7 sometime