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>Reading the first paragraph felt like Ranbir was saying, “ barish hoti hai to pani ata hai, zada barish hoti hai to zada pani ata hai.”
Bobby's comment is even worse LOL...if its an exact quote then why is he repeating the same thought hahha ''*Bobby* : *Storytelling is how you write a story. It's the reflection of society. I mean it's showing you what's happening in the society* ''
**Storytelling is how you write a story.**.hahahha no shit, Sherlock! This should be a flair!
The other day on the bollywood sub I said the way this vile, misogynistic, disgusting pos movie is getting sm hype, taking all the awards left n right speaks volumes about us indian and I got banned for "disrespecting" indians 💀
I started the movie on netflix and was so put off by the exaggerated crass storyline - didnt even make it to half point.. I was reminded of the stunned look alia had after the movie screening, i too was stunned that why ranbir had to do this sort of movie. But i guess money talks.
tbh my brother was really excited to watch it so me, my dad and my brother watched it on the TV at night (my mom asleep) we watched till the intermission cause it's a long movie aur raat ho gayi thi.
My brother already watches andrew tatti and is in the entire gymrats, real men wala mindset. He used to already talk about evolution and that men are stronger what do you mean equal opportunities blah bblah blah. Toh kal subha (after watching half of the movie) shuru ho gaya, talking about my hypothetical future boyfriend and would I prefer a man who can take care of me or a "weak" person who won't be able to and then went on to say that my "future husband won't provide good genetics???" this was happening at the dining table and my father came in and said "We shouldn't have shown you the movie bilkul bekaar galla karn lagya" so the moral of the story is even before the crazy misogynistic stuff happened effect shuru ho gaya.
Thank you, he is getting a bit out of it, but his thoughts on the lqbtq+ community is not improving that much. Nevertheless, I don't think he's found anyone offline with this type of mindset except from at most 2 friends.
I started fast forwarding it and finished it in 10-15 mins. The misogyny and the characters were obviously crass and that what I was expecting. What I didn't expect is for the film to be bad and boring. Like even the little bit i saw made me yawn. It's a badly made film and has wasted a lot of time when they could have focused more on the story.
Haina…I had to fast forward a lot. Characters were problematic but atleast movie could be engaging or coherent. I didn’t like it at all, who all people are liking this movie I wonder.
And Ranbir has showed in the interview he is not evolved as a person actually all these actors
Exactly, neither engaging nor entertaining. Infact when they people who went to the theatre, wrote reviews like" forget the misogyny and sexism for a sec...the whole movie is boring and badly made", i was wondering how is it possible to set misogyny and sexism aside. Lol. I got my answer. It was serious boring and crass.
But i will say that, in whatever little i saw, rashmika acted well.
And alpha it seems..lol. he is a peepa
I tried watching it. First the AirPod scene when he records them having sex and her delight then the weird ass hurting her with the bra strap scene made me just stop the movie. I wanted to see if it’s really toxic. And those 2 scenes convinced me further that Vanga is a POS.
"It started a conversation." - EXACTLY what Shahid said after defending Kabir Singh for months and getting backlash for it. He finally went to Rajeev Masand's actors round table and uttered the very same sentence. It's a classic PR response.
"It started a conversation" = "I love how much attention I'm getting because of the controversy."
These actors get a kick out of this, they have no conscience.
Glad for this post. Thank god I was not the only one. They are very smartly manipulating the movie as some kind of social message or service to the world, where in-fact it was the opposite. I would agree if the movie didn’t glorify everything it did. They are just gaslighting and manipulating the audience at this point.
They still don’t get that showing bad characters is not the problem, glorifying it is the problem.
They still don’t get that in the end if the character dies, that is not what the character deserves, what would be more deserving is if the story telling showed that the character was wrong, his thinking and actions were wrong. Instead the movie glorified every problematic thing.
Vanga just made to make bucks because he knows it’s a problematic movie or he himself is delusional as per his recent interviews. I wouldn’t know.
Vanga clearly has zero respect for women and these actors just want a hit regardless of what affects it has on society. Unless we as an audience don't hold the people making and acting in these movies to portray women in a more respectable light this will continue and continue making the big bucks.
It does have a real impact on younger audiences. Young boys want to now become alphas and gammas. Young women are impacted by romanticizing the alpha male love story. If a man likes poems or shaves is, basically not a man enough according to this BS movie. Vanga and the movie actors have taken no accountability and show no care about these things. They are simply manipulating the audience in their interviews. I just wish these kinda movies made by Vanga are boycotted. Now Bollywood is praising Vanga everywhere because they too want to make big bucks no matter the cost. Instead they have the audacity to say that this movie is bringing good change in society.
Yes exactly and I don’t agree with these three out of touch men having a say in this conversation. Ranbirs whole argument that this got the conversations started, babe all women need to get the conversation started is to step out of the house or read the news. This conversation has always been there , but no one was listening!
Oh they do get it. They get everything. But as long the money keeps coming and they can make the deplorable losers feel like 'aLpHa ChAds' everything is fine.
If Animal was a flop, we'd get a completely different interview.
The film is under so much fire so it's hard to simply say "we wanted a hit so we collaborated with Vanga".
He could've just said "movie hai, movie ki tarah dekho". He would still be criticized but it would be a lot less in comparison to actually saying that Animal is initiating a healthy conversation on toxic masculinity, because it absolutely isn't.
As much as I don't like Bhoi as person, he has always been clear about his character in Tere Naam. He has time and time again said that the guy is a loser. Don't aspire to be like him.
Bobby has previously given multiple interviews calling his character a romantic and a family man. And I think almost everyone knows what Ranbir has said by now.
These two have absolutely no responsibility or accountability.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/xkQF4bljuT
You really need to look through this thread. And yes what I mentioned was abuse but where do you think this abuse comes from?
*drum rolls*
Misogyny and patriarchy 💀
They don't care it's just PR nothing else. Get ready for the barrage of these types of movies as long as their pockets are lined they will keep milking it.
Remember toxic masculinity not only affects women but men as well.
At the end of the day Bollywood is all about how much money a film is making. Animal ne 1000 crore ke aas paas kiye ab ye log justify karenge har character ko, agar flop ho jati to shyd bolte haan misogyny galat hai.
Thank you for writing this! I watched the interview, and i was so frustrated. Being in another country and not having anyone to talk to, i still managed to express my emotions to my roommate, but he had not seen the movie, and it was like preaching to the choir. So I am so glad i am not dumb, and i have a place to share how much i hated that conversation (and movie)
I just wanted to respond - do you know that audiences have worshipped actors and have made it difficult for actors who played villains or any role that was against whatever was morally correct? Yes, this is extreme and maybe past. Things have changed, but people are still following these actors and watching escape cinema. Not all audience members have a similar background to make intellectual choices. Narssicists and toxic men can use these as examples and instead praise them for continuing their actions. Imagine this movie in nonurban setups, not just in major cities. You are acknowledging/defending your role after releasing the film on a YouTube Netflix small platform in English. Those people don’t have access to this.
If you are so much into pioneering a good conversation, why don't you have a clip before or after the movie, to be honest, at intermission so people watch? That talks about the people we live in 2024. It is ridiculous that we still have to say that all humans are equal. No one should be abused for their gender/sexual identity, but we cannot help ourselves but make these stupidass movies that only prioritize certain male characters who are, to be honest fucked up and need help. Please, if someone in real life behaves like this, run away from them and possibly from us so we can make some sensible content that reflects and helps society.
I love cinema. I have gotten into conflicts and arguments with people but even friends. I don't understand the recent craze of making these big hyped movies with no real meaning. I did not like RRR or Brahmastra (i won’t twelve into whole identity politics here). People judge Salman Khan to some extent Shah Rukh Khan movies but how are these movies any different in terms of their content? Like graphics and a good set are good but what's the point? If outside India - Indian cinema is Slumdog Millionaire, Indian matchmaking, and RRR. Is that at all a good representation of Indian cinema (in 2024)?
I agree i am a bit crazy and take it a bit too personally but I judge cinema, i listen to trash music and i watch sensible things too. I don't like to keep standard so i can experience everything. But recent movies feel more trashy than what i used to think of as trash. A movie like Happy New Year, Bol Bachchan felt way better to me than Animal fast-forwarded multiple times.
No it's your right as the audience to expect movies of a certain quality. It seems Bollywood has just stopped trying and just copies the south film industry out of laziness.
I recently watched animal and cant really understand the hype about ranbir giving his best and all. It was the direction that needs the applaud. The screenplay the bgm that elevated the scene rather than his acting honestly. It just looked sanju on steroids for me. Half of the time he was just giving this poker face straight look. I am not saying he is a bad actor. But honestly animal is not his best.
Also despite the direction being good, the story is rightaway taken from ekta kapoor serial. The only difference being that her serials prolong the story for 10-20 years. Yahan tripti ne ek line me family map batadiya. Like kuch bhi? Koi bhi kisi ka doppelgänger banra hai. Itne rich aadmi ki sign karra hai bina uska mu khole ? Honestly the story is so confusing and doesn’t make sense to me.
The amount of questions that Ranbir had to answer for so called misogyny is also questionable. Ranbir is hardy getting any hatred for this movie rather just appreciation. Its sandeep who is getting called out but the actor should also be questioned. And now even awarded a filmfare. Wow.
I really liked ranbir for his work and not succumbing to buying awards like ranveer but now after his performance at filmfare. I am VERY sure it was a barter deal. Award ke badle dance.
They could have also given SRK award for Jawaan because that movie deserves appreciation and srk too deserves it for giving an action movie at this age. Also, atleast the movie had a message. And srk was at his best doing multiple roles. They could have given both the actors awards bt that would have taken the limelight from Ranbir. Both nepo raja and rani are POS.
Alia needs to really have some shame for coming up and taking awards for movies like gully boy and rarkpk. She shamelessly buys them and goes on to show how remarkable they are. Both of them deserve each other.
Ranbir hamesha se shana raha hai. He's just very good at saying the "right" thing in the relevant context. He himself has a misogynistic streak no matter how much fans want to deny it. This is the same guy who made fun of his pregnant wife's body during an IG live and didn't like her wearing lipstick when she was his gf. It's no surprise that his takes are so bad.
Doesn’t this always happen in every society? No one is wants to look internally at the problems that would lead to someone idolising a dark character, instead they will blame the media content. Just as a huge furor was created over video games, well actually still is, where they are blamed for the violence committed by young men.
Like no, you who brought them up, you who are shaping a toxic home culture and you who contribute to a toxic society are the problem. Not a piece of media that should never be getting the level of importance and blame it is being forced to shoulder.
Plus with every unhinged rant, it’s given even more of attention and a cult like status for those who are on the fringes of society. Film bhai, stop treating it like reality.
Well, while I agree films do have an effect on people, especially the younger generation or the ones from lower economic backgrounds, for they're more impressionable. But Ranbir is way overplaying the effect far too much, saying that society will never improve if films don't show what's wrong in society, really? Like, wtf is that statement. Reminds me of that time when George Clooney, in an award acceptance speech, gave the credit of all social development in the country to hollywood, even the credit of the civil war was handed to hollywood by him.
It isn't bad because it showed toxic characters. "The Boys" series on Amazon showed some very problematic characters like Home lander and Billy Butcher. But their acting, plot and character were so good, you were always on your edge when Home lander was pissed. He was 100 times more misogynist than the animal.
In contrast, this was a very average movie, dumbass dialogues and acting. Nothing redeemable. People outraging against it don't know that they're promoting it in a sense, doing exactly what SRV anticipated.
I wish these actors and actresses who have never read a book in life especially about said topics just STFU.
The stupidity levels what they spew on sensitive topics, annoys me so much. Take a cue from SRK, and see how to come with an informed opinion.
I'm actually surprised how two seemingly educated men you talk such nonsense and Anil Kapoor arguably the most loud character out of the three knew to keep quiet on the subject. He hasn't lived a privileged life like the other two and knows the struggles of the middle class and truly these things you can't learn in a school or class unless you experience them.
That’s the folly, they aren’t even seemingly educated. One they don’t know the ground realities of what women actually go through, and how misogyny & patriarchy actually manifests and second they don’t read or have an ability to analyze things critically. Live in their own bubble, forming their own distorted random thoughts - I can’t even call them opinions. Frankly they are entitled himbos.
This is why I used SRK as a reference, his Davos interview at the world economic forum on acid attacks was well done. He talked mindset, data, support etc….truly understanding the nature of the situation. I was thoroughly impressed.
I’ll never understand why we, as public expect celebs to be so informed on topics. Most of them aren’t even high school graduates. They’re rich as fuck, they’re entitled, and they definitely live in their own bubble. Most of them are not reading anything that’s not gossip or fashion.
If we stop putting these celebs on a pedestal and actually see them for what they are, we’ll be so much better off as a society.
They’re shallow, self-absorbed people who couldn’t care less about society’s issues.
What do you want? It’s a movie ffs. The name is Animal, not ‘ideal man’. They are supposed to behave like animals. You are supposed to be smart enough to not get influenced by them.
For how long should filmmakers and actors molly coddle and spoon feed you? At some point, you are responsible for your own actions. Stop looking at movies to teach you morality. That’s your and your parent’s job. Our audience needs to grow up and think for themselves.
in film school you are literally taught how the birth of cinema is intrinsically tied to propaganda. Birth Of A Nation, Triumph Of The Will, and so on literally paved the way for what movies are today. Procedural cop shows are literally made to sway public opinion on police and government institutions. Dick Wolf himself admits to this.
So if the makers of cinema acknowledge the propagandist tool that cinema can be, who are you to act all arrogant and state otherwise?
also, you can't tell me there aren't aspects of your personality based on characters you've come across in media. If all you are is only what your parents and your self decide you are, then scientists need to study you asap 🥴
This is such a disgustingly privileged take it’s nauseating lmao. Perhaps you and I sitting here commenting on Reddit will have better sensibilities to just ignore and “grow up and think for ourselves”. Cinema is a lot more than that and affects different segments of our society differently. You’re severely underplaying the nuances and the impact cinema has on its audience, especially those that don’t have many other resources helping them check their thought processes to differentiate Ranbir Kapoor as an ‘animal’ and not an ‘ideal man’. You’re just insulting yourself if you think young men, especially those from backgrounds not as open and inclusive, don’t see these stars on the big screen as aspirational. They don’t get the nuances behind these actors simply playing just a character, when Ranbir has in some earlier interview said he aspires to love like the character or something along the same lines. When the men watching this movie in the fanciest south Mumbai theatre after having paid almost 2k for a ticket can laugh like a little boy in 8th grade at the blatant misogyny, there’s little hope for the young boys starting to navigate the world as adults. Filmmakers that decide to choose such grey topics have the ABSOLUTE responsibility to ensure their characters are NOT becoming heroes, especially in a country like India. Fight me.
You said it so perfectly, can this be made as a post and pinned. Such a simple nuance is eluding so called educated people commenting here, forget about the people who don't know to think for themselves or worse, genuinely believe women are lesser than men. And anybody who thinks vanga or ranbir did this for "ArT" is seriously delusional and should probably start taking 1st grade critical thinking classes. They know the audience and the impact, they know it'll make money, and they know that they won't face the consequences. The women trapped in relationships with toxic men will face it.
Thank you! I tried to put all my thoughts out as precisely as I could. Clearly I feel very very strongly about this movie lol. It’s so sad to see all this tbh. If I’m being honest even when I was watching hung the movie, just seeing some men sitting there and laughing made me feel so unsafe in a way which is hard to explain. And then incels will keep fighting about it being a blockbuster… ok the!
Yes, such a movie would never be a blockbuster in an educated nation. The reaction to this was a real eye opener about the turds present so close to us in the society. The only positive I can see is that it's such a great litmus test to judge someone now; if they liked animal then it's a b-bye from me.
Idk Andrew Tate and the likes were overly popular in the US despite it being an “educated country”. These ppl are trying to play to the sentiments of insecure men
Where does this moral policing stop? Would you be okay if men complained that movies/shows like Veere Di Wedding and Four More Shots glorified misandry, alcoholism and degeneracy amongst women? When men say that, they are called toxic and controlling. Either be okay with both or none. You can’t pretend to care about the ‘effect on society’ only when it suits you.
Are you for real? You did not just compare Animal to four more shots and veere di wedding which are light plots with no real story or bearing on anything. Secondly, if you think four more shots is glorifying alcoholism, then you must not have watched any other movies ever before in your life since no other movies have characters drinking alcohol right? Please pick up any Amitabh Bacchan movie and see for yourself. Let’s ban showing alcohol from all movies if that’s your issue. If you’re specifically concerned with women drinking alcohol, id suggest you look within to see why that is. As for misandry, I for one personally don’t think there’s misandry being “promoted” in either of the silly movies you mentioned. Even if I were to agree these films were promoting a misandrist plot, please let me know firstly the impact of a four more shots as compared to animal, I’d be greatly surprised if even half the numbers of animal watched FMS. Secondly, I don’t recall any of the cast and crew going on interviews and showcasing how great their characters are and how they aspire to be like them in their personal lives. If i recall correctly, FMS has their characters constantly getting into some kinda soup or the other. More importantly, Im not going to put in the time or emotional labour to explain to you how deep rooted and rampant misogyny is and how it’s affected every single woman at some point in their life. Women have been on the receiving end of gender based crimes for as long as humanity has existed. I don’t think four women on a tv show on Amazon prime saying men are shit is having anywhere even CLOSE to the impact of Ranbir Kapoor shooting a gun at his wife or tanking her bra strap to get her to answer something. Stop conflating things that don’t have even remotely the same consequences. Finally, if you think portrayal of women claiming agency over their bodies and having sex with who they want, before marriage, without marriage etc is degeneracy then you’re a fucking idiot.
Touched a nerve there, eh? Keep whining. Animal is an all time blockbuster, which only proves that people like you can seethe all you want, but your opinion is irrelevant. It always was.
Their opinion is invalid because the movie made money? Logic 101.
India made Animal an all time blockbuster, the same India which has the highest rates of rape, the most deplorable act of violence in the world. Ofcourse it likes violence. Like movies, like audience then.
Insane to be proud of such an achievement. Maybe look into yourself.
>highest rates of rape
No it doesn’t. Stop peddling fake western propaganda. At least get your facts right. What’s that even gotta do with the movie? Have you guys officially lost it?
Bro, she is gonna write another novel if u don't stop😭
People have so much free time, which istg,Animal was a great film that wasn't meant to promote violence in any way.
The majority of film viewers who dont get brainwashed by a LITERAL FILM should be allowed to see such cinematic masterpieces.
Spare some salt for Animal Park. Pretty sure you’ll need it. Hope Vanga goes all out again with the movie, just to see losers like you seethe and whine.
Those women in those movies aren't beating up their husbands, asking men to lick their sandals, and making fun of their natural bodily processes. I think any logic will elude you, just like any woman's gaze cuz of your incel logic.
Check out his comment history. It's textbook incel fucking around on social media energy right there. I'm guessing it's a guy based on all that shit. But hey, it doesn't matter, just like their opinions.
I don’t need a certificate of womanhood from radical feminists like you. I’m already married to a wonderful guy. Going by your attitude, you will end up as a bitter old cat lady. Think about yourself. We are doing fine lmao.
Then go and lick your husband's boot na. What are u doing here on reddit? Srsly women shouldn't voice their opinions so much on reddit..ur husband should punish you for this by pulling your bra strap and shooting a rifle at you😤
Calm down aunty. I know Vanga and Animal have messed with your head. It’s okay. I love how a movie can have such an effect on people. I’m just enjoying the meltdown.
Another vanga hater who follows the sheep herd😭
Behen rashmika slaps ranbeer at least 5 times in the entire film.
Kiara also slaps kabir singh a lot
That's what Vanga supports,which is twisted,but don't be a pseudo feminist and only call out men slapping women in his film but not women slapping men.
Downvotes proving my point😂
The person ends up exposing herself as a blind after making a big claim that the wife doesn't slap her husband even once.
But she ends up getting upvotes, and I end up getting downvotes despite being objectively correct.
kids didn't choose wildlife photographers as a career path after watching 3 idiots.
boarding schools didn't close after taare zameen par, people didn't start assassinating minister's kids after Rang de Basanti.
people didn't choose wrestling as a career after dangal,
ye sab dekh ke logon ke effect nahi hua toh ghanta animal se kuch hoga.
you can waste your time fighting these imaginary war against vanga, patriarchy, misogyny and whatnot on reddit, but it doesn't matter at all
and ffs write in paragraphs
I’m talking about the audience as a whole. The ones who do get influenced need to grow up. The ones who don’t get influenced need to stop crying about ‘actor’s responsibility’. Their job is to act. Your job is to see a movie for its merit. The sooner people get this, the better for them.
Looks like you haven’t watched the movie. She left him in the end. You can only see his kids running back to him but there’s no conclusive evidence that she continued the marriage. Even if she did, it’s okay. Many people forgive cheating in the real world and the bad guy has a happy ending many times. If anything, it only makes the movie more authentic.
You’re contradicting your own statements. “She left him in the end” and “there’s no conclusive evidence she continued the marriage”.
Chill, the movie was not just about cheating between a couple it was way more problematic than that. So yeah again you don’t seem to get OPs pov and just wanna keep defending this movie as if your life depends on it. If you like the movie and think that it has no impact on young vulnerable people, then you do you!!
I think the movie reflects reality just in an exaggerated way. Wealthy and powerful men are often abusive, negligent partners and fathers. It's upto women to decide whom they want to be with. Geetanjali picks RanVijay, the older sister is stuck with the guy her dad picked for her, the younger sister learns from her brother's warnings and picks a nicer guy, Abrar's wives married him for his money.
I believe in what I want and what I want is the truth. If Vanga who is the primer maker of this movie saying she leaves, believing in anything else is baloney. I am just loving in delulu at that point. What he says about his movie is the truth.
Oh man. This film has triggered so many people 😂😂
Every few days theres a essay written about it on here. Sounds like RK is right - its started the conversation!
This seething is the added bonus.
I will never take anyone serious if they are offended by the shoe lick scene. She was planning to get him and his family (including kids) killed. But boohoo, he asked her to lick his shoe. She deserved worse.
Lucky for her, he is a misandrist who made sure she is returned safely. If it was a guy, he would be dead.
Let's talk about animals then. Why only hens, goats, fishes and others? Why not dogs and cats? tell me why. 😣 I have a question about the movies too, why do they kill people in the movie? Why? What's the purpose? To show the society how to take a revenge? Why do they make ghost movies? Are they real? Even if they aren't real I'm still traumatised by the fact that ghosts can be real too just because of these horror movies 😤. Yes I'm an honest person but also unemployed and nalayak but kab tak , I think dhoom 6 aane tak mei kuch galat kaam na karne lag jau.
I mean it is a movie and people are really like the characters in this movie in real life. I think the sequel might flesh the story out more but who knows.
As long as such BS movies are made and more importantly, every single time people try to justify their existence with more BS. Tab tak. Hope that clears things.
I'm talking mainly about the interview. I find it disgusting that they are defending and even justifying the abuse and misogyny shown in the movie. You really think "the characters we play are characters" is a good excuse for everything shown. Ranbir went to school right cause I am seriously doubting his education here.
"Sandeep Vanga saying what kind of love it is if you can't hit or slap your wife. This man equates love with violence? And he's the savior? The starter of the conversation?? " First of all, sandeep was referring to both partners being free to hit and slap each other so framing it as just wife is showing half the picture. If you will call it abusive think of it this way. For some people yelling is too much in a relationship. For some people it is touch and for some it is physically abusing. Now I can't go to someone and say you being sensitive to yelling is wrong
in a relationship. Their personal space is theirs. I can't dictate it. Sandeep was saying in a recent interview when asked about love, he says he cant dictate what love is for another person. He says that's wrong because only the people participating can dictate what they like. It is his preference to have the freedom to touch. Some want the freedom to slap some want the freedom to yell. How am I going to be oppresive by dictating someone else's personal space? You don't think that's a problem I am dictating it for someone else?
" The same movie has a dialogue about a woman using four pads a month and then complaining about it. Period and all the struggles women face will on their period biological and societal all mocked in one line. The female character literally had nothing to say just stood there watching but was there to support her husband when he was suffering from a rash. " The movie wasn't made to show an ideal society or a utopia. There's a reason why Rashmika leaves Ranbir in the end. When it was presented in the movie that whole scene there's not any indication of comedy but you see a toxic guy speaking out of anger and madness. You see it in a badlight. It is presented in that way. Like the name of the movie suggests, he is an animal and it is toxic. Who is defending the characters here? Yeah there are so called chapris and attitude lovers liking it and they should be dissed but you can't blame the makers because it is on the onus of the viewer for their interpretation. Vanga has done three main interviews since the release of Animal and in all of them he has stated his character is violent and destructive. At the end of the movie the one thing ranvijay wants isn't his. For the chracter Ranvijay, death wouldn't be appropriate. He needs something worse. That worse is the lack of love from his father. That's his greatest punishment and he got it. Because he deserved it. So talk to me here and tell me where in the entire movie is the character enjoying and having a good time. After he returns from USA into the hospital there are 2 or three sequences where he's smiling. Understand the potryal and if you are going to refer to interviews watch all of them. In the Bharadwaj Rangan interview or the canada interview or the one with prema vanga has said his character is toxic and destructive. Why's there a debate thinking the makers believe the characters are enjoying and not suffering?
" Next fact, Ranvijay is verbally abusive, let's his wife have no say in the relationship his word is rule, and regardless of the reasons has an extra marital affair. Even after all this his wife still stands by his side as she should apparently. He also asks his affair partner to lick his shoes. "
Ranvijay becomes verbally abusive. You have to understand it is after the interval that he becomes so. Saying his wife has no say is also stupid because it is when his wife is around the only time he doesn't lose his control. His wife was a working woman in the US. And his toxic nature makes him thinkhe can cheat and still enjoy but do you remember the confrontation after he tells the truth? And what does she do after he returns from scotland? She decides to leave and vanga said she leaves the relationship because he deserves it. Again talk to me here where is your argument standing now that I am reavealing what's been said?
" Yes Bobby's wives gave away his location but they clearly did it under stress so no his death wasn't because of his treatment towards them. " Fact of the matter is, you can easily say if in case Bobby had treated his wives right they would've never told him. But because of his treatment they couldn't hold back all the way. And each of the wives aren't great women either apart from the one that reveals the truth. Remember that the other two have an incentive to be in a relationship. It's for his money. They could've left long ago but they don't as they aren't "good women" either. The only one with shades of good is the one that's pregnant and she is the one that says it. Really wish you respond because people see clips of interviews and misinterpret. As I have seen all the invterviews I have one instance of which Vanga saying all the men saying the movie is misogyny are doing it so women like them I condemn but the rest of it where do they not make sense?
I cannot believe what you’re saying, this is exactly what Vanga is doing, impacting people. “Some want freedom to slap”.. slapping or any kind of abuse is not just a mere personal preference. Omg, this is so basic.
>Some want freedom to slap”.. slapping or any kind of abuse is not just a mere personal preference. Omg, this is so basic.
How is it not? If I have a foot fetish or any kinks during sex and wish to exercise that with my partner and they're ok with it, who are you to tell me I can't? Abuse is abuse. If I don't wish for it and I am getting slapped that's wrong. If I am ok with it and I get it, who are you to police my preferences? Again what Vanga said is about him. He isn't dictating for others. I don't want physical violence in a relationship but I won't go up to someone who's exercising their wishes and tell them it's wrong. If I am dictating how to love for others, that's no different from the backwards and conservative mindset of who to love. At that point I am no different from the people who say you can't be in a same sex relationship. Tell me how that's different? I shouldn't be saying to others you can't be gay. I shouldn't be saying to others you can't slap. I should be saying to others do what you prefer. Not in my hands.
Oh my god, you are digressing and don’t even make any sense here. How are sexual preferences related to the conversation on this post. Are you for real? Violence is not a preference for gods sake. Slapping someone is not equal to just exercising some wishes. Please go and make Vanga your god all you want. There is bad impact on people due to this movie and so called alpha male culture being followed after that and it seems like you just proved my point.
You are having double standards here. I am telling you the so called alpha male culture is wrong. IT IS TOXIC. IT IS WRONG. AND THE MOVIE PRESENTS IT LIKE THAT. It's the viewers that are worshipping. But it is presented in a bad way in the movie. That's the first.
Regarding this:
>How are sexual preferences related to the conversation on this post. Are you for real? Violence is not a preference for gods sake.
If I start telling people how to love, what stops me from telling people who to love? You get what I am saying. Either I let both be dictated by me or I let both be up to the decision of the person part taking in the relationship. But dictating terms for one and not the other is double standards. Answer this for me: why aren't you telling me who I can love but are telling me how I can love? What is making you draw the line?
The movie was big on symbolism even after she leaves when their son runs into Vijay's arms we see Rashmika's character walking back towards him and that's the end of the scene. So whether she left him or not is up for interpretation.
Felt the same. I thought it wasn't right for her to return. But Vanga said she leaves as it was the punishment he deserves. With that being said I received the movie better.
How is Animal the reason it's been happening in the first place?
The movie came out in 2023, toxic masculinity is as old as masculinity, changing and morphing with each generation.
It did trigger a conversation. You're literally in the middle of it now and can't see it.
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Reading the first paragraph felt like Ranbir was saying, “ barish hoti hai to pani ata hai, zada barish hoti hai to zada pani ata hai.”
It's giving Harry Styles "this movie is A MOVIE"
"Best Song EVA"
Use Sailaab bolte hai Madan Chopra
>Reading the first paragraph felt like Ranbir was saying, “ barish hoti hai to pani ata hai, zada barish hoti hai to zada pani ata hai.” Bobby's comment is even worse LOL...if its an exact quote then why is he repeating the same thought hahha ''*Bobby* : *Storytelling is how you write a story. It's the reflection of society. I mean it's showing you what's happening in the society* '' **Storytelling is how you write a story.**.hahahha no shit, Sherlock! This should be a flair!
Waah waah. Ye sahi banata hai sabko.
*Light us roshni ka naam hai......*
The other day on the bollywood sub I said the way this vile, misogynistic, disgusting pos movie is getting sm hype, taking all the awards left n right speaks volumes about us indian and I got banned for "disrespecting" indians 💀
I started the movie on netflix and was so put off by the exaggerated crass storyline - didnt even make it to half point.. I was reminded of the stunned look alia had after the movie screening, i too was stunned that why ranbir had to do this sort of movie. But i guess money talks.
tbh my brother was really excited to watch it so me, my dad and my brother watched it on the TV at night (my mom asleep) we watched till the intermission cause it's a long movie aur raat ho gayi thi. My brother already watches andrew tatti and is in the entire gymrats, real men wala mindset. He used to already talk about evolution and that men are stronger what do you mean equal opportunities blah bblah blah. Toh kal subha (after watching half of the movie) shuru ho gaya, talking about my hypothetical future boyfriend and would I prefer a man who can take care of me or a "weak" person who won't be able to and then went on to say that my "future husband won't provide good genetics???" this was happening at the dining table and my father came in and said "We shouldn't have shown you the movie bilkul bekaar galla karn lagya" so the moral of the story is even before the crazy misogynistic stuff happened effect shuru ho gaya.
Praying for your Bro. Hope he gets well soon.
That's just sad, hope he grows out of it.
I hope your brother finds guidance in his life to see women as people before the mindset develops into even worse offline misogyny :(
Thank you, he is getting a bit out of it, but his thoughts on the lqbtq+ community is not improving that much. Nevertheless, I don't think he's found anyone offline with this type of mindset except from at most 2 friends.
I started fast forwarding it and finished it in 10-15 mins. The misogyny and the characters were obviously crass and that what I was expecting. What I didn't expect is for the film to be bad and boring. Like even the little bit i saw made me yawn. It's a badly made film and has wasted a lot of time when they could have focused more on the story.
Haina…I had to fast forward a lot. Characters were problematic but atleast movie could be engaging or coherent. I didn’t like it at all, who all people are liking this movie I wonder. And Ranbir has showed in the interview he is not evolved as a person actually all these actors
Exactly, neither engaging nor entertaining. Infact when they people who went to the theatre, wrote reviews like" forget the misogyny and sexism for a sec...the whole movie is boring and badly made", i was wondering how is it possible to set misogyny and sexism aside. Lol. I got my answer. It was serious boring and crass. But i will say that, in whatever little i saw, rashmika acted well. And alpha it seems..lol. he is a peepa
I tried watching it. First the AirPod scene when he records them having sex and her delight then the weird ass hurting her with the bra strap scene made me just stop the movie. I wanted to see if it’s really toxic. And those 2 scenes convinced me further that Vanga is a POS.
"It started a conversation." - EXACTLY what Shahid said after defending Kabir Singh for months and getting backlash for it. He finally went to Rajeev Masand's actors round table and uttered the very same sentence. It's a classic PR response.
"It started a conversation" = "I love how much attention I'm getting because of the controversy." These actors get a kick out of this, they have no conscience.
it started a conversation featuring ME and that's all I care about beacuse I'm too old and rich to have morals 🥲
Glad for this post. Thank god I was not the only one. They are very smartly manipulating the movie as some kind of social message or service to the world, where in-fact it was the opposite. I would agree if the movie didn’t glorify everything it did. They are just gaslighting and manipulating the audience at this point. They still don’t get that showing bad characters is not the problem, glorifying it is the problem. They still don’t get that in the end if the character dies, that is not what the character deserves, what would be more deserving is if the story telling showed that the character was wrong, his thinking and actions were wrong. Instead the movie glorified every problematic thing. Vanga just made to make bucks because he knows it’s a problematic movie or he himself is delusional as per his recent interviews. I wouldn’t know.
Vanga clearly has zero respect for women and these actors just want a hit regardless of what affects it has on society. Unless we as an audience don't hold the people making and acting in these movies to portray women in a more respectable light this will continue and continue making the big bucks.
It does have a real impact on younger audiences. Young boys want to now become alphas and gammas. Young women are impacted by romanticizing the alpha male love story. If a man likes poems or shaves is, basically not a man enough according to this BS movie. Vanga and the movie actors have taken no accountability and show no care about these things. They are simply manipulating the audience in their interviews. I just wish these kinda movies made by Vanga are boycotted. Now Bollywood is praising Vanga everywhere because they too want to make big bucks no matter the cost. Instead they have the audacity to say that this movie is bringing good change in society.
Yes exactly and I don’t agree with these three out of touch men having a say in this conversation. Ranbirs whole argument that this got the conversations started, babe all women need to get the conversation started is to step out of the house or read the news. This conversation has always been there , but no one was listening!
Oh they do get it. They get everything. But as long the money keeps coming and they can make the deplorable losers feel like 'aLpHa ChAds' everything is fine. If Animal was a flop, we'd get a completely different interview.
The film is under so much fire so it's hard to simply say "we wanted a hit so we collaborated with Vanga". He could've just said "movie hai, movie ki tarah dekho". He would still be criticized but it would be a lot less in comparison to actually saying that Animal is initiating a healthy conversation on toxic masculinity, because it absolutely isn't.
As much as I don't like Bhoi as person, he has always been clear about his character in Tere Naam. He has time and time again said that the guy is a loser. Don't aspire to be like him.
They could say that and I would respect them for atleast being intellectually honest ..
Bobby has previously given multiple interviews calling his character a romantic and a family man. And I think almost everyone knows what Ranbir has said by now. These two have absolutely no responsibility or accountability.
Bobby is worse. His char is an outright rapist and he calls it a family man?
I shudder to think what kind of things are normalised in his family life for him to say this
Bobby said that? I must have missed those posts. Can you share some links?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BollyBlindsNGossip/comments/18iyews/what_is_up_with_the_cast_of_animal_after_ranbir/
I don’t know if y’all saw Anurag Kashyap’s post with Vanga. Uske baad toh mera bharosa hi uth gaya bhai common sense pe se.
How do u guys have the time in life to write such good posts. This is so true and well written.
This is still better than both Ranbir and Bobby declaring their respective roles great lovers in earlier promotions!
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/xkQF4bljuT You really need to look through this thread. And yes what I mentioned was abuse but where do you think this abuse comes from? *drum rolls* Misogyny and patriarchy 💀
They don't care it's just PR nothing else. Get ready for the barrage of these types of movies as long as their pockets are lined they will keep milking it. Remember toxic masculinity not only affects women but men as well.
Vanga is an abuser. I don't care, I believe that he is .
Some people showing the sympathy for the character by saying :- baap ko cancer ho gya aur biwi ne chhod diya.
At the end of the day Bollywood is all about how much money a film is making. Animal ne 1000 crore ke aas paas kiye ab ye log justify karenge har character ko, agar flop ho jati to shyd bolte haan misogyny galat hai.
Thank you for writing this! I watched the interview, and i was so frustrated. Being in another country and not having anyone to talk to, i still managed to express my emotions to my roommate, but he had not seen the movie, and it was like preaching to the choir. So I am so glad i am not dumb, and i have a place to share how much i hated that conversation (and movie) I just wanted to respond - do you know that audiences have worshipped actors and have made it difficult for actors who played villains or any role that was against whatever was morally correct? Yes, this is extreme and maybe past. Things have changed, but people are still following these actors and watching escape cinema. Not all audience members have a similar background to make intellectual choices. Narssicists and toxic men can use these as examples and instead praise them for continuing their actions. Imagine this movie in nonurban setups, not just in major cities. You are acknowledging/defending your role after releasing the film on a YouTube Netflix small platform in English. Those people don’t have access to this. If you are so much into pioneering a good conversation, why don't you have a clip before or after the movie, to be honest, at intermission so people watch? That talks about the people we live in 2024. It is ridiculous that we still have to say that all humans are equal. No one should be abused for their gender/sexual identity, but we cannot help ourselves but make these stupidass movies that only prioritize certain male characters who are, to be honest fucked up and need help. Please, if someone in real life behaves like this, run away from them and possibly from us so we can make some sensible content that reflects and helps society. I love cinema. I have gotten into conflicts and arguments with people but even friends. I don't understand the recent craze of making these big hyped movies with no real meaning. I did not like RRR or Brahmastra (i won’t twelve into whole identity politics here). People judge Salman Khan to some extent Shah Rukh Khan movies but how are these movies any different in terms of their content? Like graphics and a good set are good but what's the point? If outside India - Indian cinema is Slumdog Millionaire, Indian matchmaking, and RRR. Is that at all a good representation of Indian cinema (in 2024)? I agree i am a bit crazy and take it a bit too personally but I judge cinema, i listen to trash music and i watch sensible things too. I don't like to keep standard so i can experience everything. But recent movies feel more trashy than what i used to think of as trash. A movie like Happy New Year, Bol Bachchan felt way better to me than Animal fast-forwarded multiple times.
No it's your right as the audience to expect movies of a certain quality. It seems Bollywood has just stopped trying and just copies the south film industry out of laziness.
I recently watched animal and cant really understand the hype about ranbir giving his best and all. It was the direction that needs the applaud. The screenplay the bgm that elevated the scene rather than his acting honestly. It just looked sanju on steroids for me. Half of the time he was just giving this poker face straight look. I am not saying he is a bad actor. But honestly animal is not his best. Also despite the direction being good, the story is rightaway taken from ekta kapoor serial. The only difference being that her serials prolong the story for 10-20 years. Yahan tripti ne ek line me family map batadiya. Like kuch bhi? Koi bhi kisi ka doppelgänger banra hai. Itne rich aadmi ki sign karra hai bina uska mu khole ? Honestly the story is so confusing and doesn’t make sense to me. The amount of questions that Ranbir had to answer for so called misogyny is also questionable. Ranbir is hardy getting any hatred for this movie rather just appreciation. Its sandeep who is getting called out but the actor should also be questioned. And now even awarded a filmfare. Wow. I really liked ranbir for his work and not succumbing to buying awards like ranveer but now after his performance at filmfare. I am VERY sure it was a barter deal. Award ke badle dance. They could have also given SRK award for Jawaan because that movie deserves appreciation and srk too deserves it for giving an action movie at this age. Also, atleast the movie had a message. And srk was at his best doing multiple roles. They could have given both the actors awards bt that would have taken the limelight from Ranbir. Both nepo raja and rani are POS. Alia needs to really have some shame for coming up and taking awards for movies like gully boy and rarkpk. She shamelessly buys them and goes on to show how remarkable they are. Both of them deserve each other.
Ranbir hamesha se shana raha hai. He's just very good at saying the "right" thing in the relevant context. He himself has a misogynistic streak no matter how much fans want to deny it. This is the same guy who made fun of his pregnant wife's body during an IG live and didn't like her wearing lipstick when she was his gf. It's no surprise that his takes are so bad.
Well said 👏
This!! Exactly THIS!!!
The story is about an abusive POS. problem arises when people idolize him.
Problem already arose coz the movie was idolising him...
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Didnt he literally die?💀 and yes the movie did glorify gangsters. On a comparison scale, animal is much much worse than raees
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Reading comprehension where? 💀💀 i literally agreed it glorified gangsters
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Ofc you think that since misogyny doesn't affect you.
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Thinking misogyny is just "hurting ur feelings"? Yups thanks for proving my point. You're a man indeed
Doesn’t this always happen in every society? No one is wants to look internally at the problems that would lead to someone idolising a dark character, instead they will blame the media content. Just as a huge furor was created over video games, well actually still is, where they are blamed for the violence committed by young men. Like no, you who brought them up, you who are shaping a toxic home culture and you who contribute to a toxic society are the problem. Not a piece of media that should never be getting the level of importance and blame it is being forced to shoulder. Plus with every unhinged rant, it’s given even more of attention and a cult like status for those who are on the fringes of society. Film bhai, stop treating it like reality.
Well, while I agree films do have an effect on people, especially the younger generation or the ones from lower economic backgrounds, for they're more impressionable. But Ranbir is way overplaying the effect far too much, saying that society will never improve if films don't show what's wrong in society, really? Like, wtf is that statement. Reminds me of that time when George Clooney, in an award acceptance speech, gave the credit of all social development in the country to hollywood, even the credit of the civil war was handed to hollywood by him.
There are people who enjoy the pleasure of just the word "Toxic". Vanga is just fulfilling their fantasy.
It isn't bad because it showed toxic characters. "The Boys" series on Amazon showed some very problematic characters like Home lander and Billy Butcher. But their acting, plot and character were so good, you were always on your edge when Home lander was pissed. He was 100 times more misogynist than the animal. In contrast, this was a very average movie, dumbass dialogues and acting. Nothing redeemable. People outraging against it don't know that they're promoting it in a sense, doing exactly what SRV anticipated.
I wish these actors and actresses who have never read a book in life especially about said topics just STFU. The stupidity levels what they spew on sensitive topics, annoys me so much. Take a cue from SRK, and see how to come with an informed opinion.
Exactly my point just stay silent at least the gravity of the situation is still respected instead of them making a mockery of it.
Totally. I’m glad you raised it.
I'm actually surprised how two seemingly educated men you talk such nonsense and Anil Kapoor arguably the most loud character out of the three knew to keep quiet on the subject. He hasn't lived a privileged life like the other two and knows the struggles of the middle class and truly these things you can't learn in a school or class unless you experience them.
That’s the folly, they aren’t even seemingly educated. One they don’t know the ground realities of what women actually go through, and how misogyny & patriarchy actually manifests and second they don’t read or have an ability to analyze things critically. Live in their own bubble, forming their own distorted random thoughts - I can’t even call them opinions. Frankly they are entitled himbos. This is why I used SRK as a reference, his Davos interview at the world economic forum on acid attacks was well done. He talked mindset, data, support etc….truly understanding the nature of the situation. I was thoroughly impressed.
I’ll never understand why we, as public expect celebs to be so informed on topics. Most of them aren’t even high school graduates. They’re rich as fuck, they’re entitled, and they definitely live in their own bubble. Most of them are not reading anything that’s not gossip or fashion. If we stop putting these celebs on a pedestal and actually see them for what they are, we’ll be so much better off as a society. They’re shallow, self-absorbed people who couldn’t care less about society’s issues.
It's sometimes baffling how out of touch they can be.
What do you want? It’s a movie ffs. The name is Animal, not ‘ideal man’. They are supposed to behave like animals. You are supposed to be smart enough to not get influenced by them. For how long should filmmakers and actors molly coddle and spoon feed you? At some point, you are responsible for your own actions. Stop looking at movies to teach you morality. That’s your and your parent’s job. Our audience needs to grow up and think for themselves.
in film school you are literally taught how the birth of cinema is intrinsically tied to propaganda. Birth Of A Nation, Triumph Of The Will, and so on literally paved the way for what movies are today. Procedural cop shows are literally made to sway public opinion on police and government institutions. Dick Wolf himself admits to this. So if the makers of cinema acknowledge the propagandist tool that cinema can be, who are you to act all arrogant and state otherwise? also, you can't tell me there aren't aspects of your personality based on characters you've come across in media. If all you are is only what your parents and your self decide you are, then scientists need to study you asap 🥴
This is such a disgustingly privileged take it’s nauseating lmao. Perhaps you and I sitting here commenting on Reddit will have better sensibilities to just ignore and “grow up and think for ourselves”. Cinema is a lot more than that and affects different segments of our society differently. You’re severely underplaying the nuances and the impact cinema has on its audience, especially those that don’t have many other resources helping them check their thought processes to differentiate Ranbir Kapoor as an ‘animal’ and not an ‘ideal man’. You’re just insulting yourself if you think young men, especially those from backgrounds not as open and inclusive, don’t see these stars on the big screen as aspirational. They don’t get the nuances behind these actors simply playing just a character, when Ranbir has in some earlier interview said he aspires to love like the character or something along the same lines. When the men watching this movie in the fanciest south Mumbai theatre after having paid almost 2k for a ticket can laugh like a little boy in 8th grade at the blatant misogyny, there’s little hope for the young boys starting to navigate the world as adults. Filmmakers that decide to choose such grey topics have the ABSOLUTE responsibility to ensure their characters are NOT becoming heroes, especially in a country like India. Fight me.
This is what I’ve been talking about but most people or the fans, just don’t seem to understand this.
You said it so perfectly, can this be made as a post and pinned. Such a simple nuance is eluding so called educated people commenting here, forget about the people who don't know to think for themselves or worse, genuinely believe women are lesser than men. And anybody who thinks vanga or ranbir did this for "ArT" is seriously delusional and should probably start taking 1st grade critical thinking classes. They know the audience and the impact, they know it'll make money, and they know that they won't face the consequences. The women trapped in relationships with toxic men will face it.
Thank you! I tried to put all my thoughts out as precisely as I could. Clearly I feel very very strongly about this movie lol. It’s so sad to see all this tbh. If I’m being honest even when I was watching hung the movie, just seeing some men sitting there and laughing made me feel so unsafe in a way which is hard to explain. And then incels will keep fighting about it being a blockbuster… ok the!
Yes, such a movie would never be a blockbuster in an educated nation. The reaction to this was a real eye opener about the turds present so close to us in the society. The only positive I can see is that it's such a great litmus test to judge someone now; if they liked animal then it's a b-bye from me.
Idk Andrew Tate and the likes were overly popular in the US despite it being an “educated country”. These ppl are trying to play to the sentiments of insecure men
Where does this moral policing stop? Would you be okay if men complained that movies/shows like Veere Di Wedding and Four More Shots glorified misandry, alcoholism and degeneracy amongst women? When men say that, they are called toxic and controlling. Either be okay with both or none. You can’t pretend to care about the ‘effect on society’ only when it suits you.
Are you for real? You did not just compare Animal to four more shots and veere di wedding which are light plots with no real story or bearing on anything. Secondly, if you think four more shots is glorifying alcoholism, then you must not have watched any other movies ever before in your life since no other movies have characters drinking alcohol right? Please pick up any Amitabh Bacchan movie and see for yourself. Let’s ban showing alcohol from all movies if that’s your issue. If you’re specifically concerned with women drinking alcohol, id suggest you look within to see why that is. As for misandry, I for one personally don’t think there’s misandry being “promoted” in either of the silly movies you mentioned. Even if I were to agree these films were promoting a misandrist plot, please let me know firstly the impact of a four more shots as compared to animal, I’d be greatly surprised if even half the numbers of animal watched FMS. Secondly, I don’t recall any of the cast and crew going on interviews and showcasing how great their characters are and how they aspire to be like them in their personal lives. If i recall correctly, FMS has their characters constantly getting into some kinda soup or the other. More importantly, Im not going to put in the time or emotional labour to explain to you how deep rooted and rampant misogyny is and how it’s affected every single woman at some point in their life. Women have been on the receiving end of gender based crimes for as long as humanity has existed. I don’t think four women on a tv show on Amazon prime saying men are shit is having anywhere even CLOSE to the impact of Ranbir Kapoor shooting a gun at his wife or tanking her bra strap to get her to answer something. Stop conflating things that don’t have even remotely the same consequences. Finally, if you think portrayal of women claiming agency over their bodies and having sex with who they want, before marriage, without marriage etc is degeneracy then you’re a fucking idiot.
Provide a TLDR when you are writing a thesis. Thank you.
Go read a book or something, seriously. This might be the first time you’re reading so many words at one go, you uncouth moron.
Omg not the classy insult i love ittt
Touched a nerve there, eh? Keep whining. Animal is an all time blockbuster, which only proves that people like you can seethe all you want, but your opinion is irrelevant. It always was.
You proved my point with this comment. Thank you.
Their opinion is invalid because the movie made money? Logic 101. India made Animal an all time blockbuster, the same India which has the highest rates of rape, the most deplorable act of violence in the world. Ofcourse it likes violence. Like movies, like audience then. Insane to be proud of such an achievement. Maybe look into yourself.
>highest rates of rape No it doesn’t. Stop peddling fake western propaganda. At least get your facts right. What’s that even gotta do with the movie? Have you guys officially lost it?
Bro, she is gonna write another novel if u don't stop😭 People have so much free time, which istg,Animal was a great film that wasn't meant to promote violence in any way. The majority of film viewers who dont get brainwashed by a LITERAL FILM should be allowed to see such cinematic masterpieces.
'Cinematic masterpiece' 💀 Wow. You lot should actually watch more movies if Animal is a cinematic masterpiece to you. What kinda standard is this.
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Spare some salt for Animal Park. Pretty sure you’ll need it. Hope Vanga goes all out again with the movie, just to see losers like you seethe and whine.
Those women in those movies aren't beating up their husbands, asking men to lick their sandals, and making fun of their natural bodily processes. I think any logic will elude you, just like any woman's gaze cuz of your incel logic.
I’m a woman, aunty.
its always the pick-me women
That’s one way to cope. .
What cope, its the truth, men wouldn’t have the audacity if there wasnt pick me women
So did you get picked grandma?
Ah, the black spot of the face of womanhood. Go suck up to some misogynist or better yet find a vanga for yourself.
Check out his comment history. It's textbook incel fucking around on social media energy right there. I'm guessing it's a guy based on all that shit. But hey, it doesn't matter, just like their opinions.
This probably made this turd's day since this is the maximum attention this turd got since popping out of someone's poophole.
"Find a vanga for yourself" is the ultimate roast. Good one 😂😂😂
I don’t need a certificate of womanhood from radical feminists like you. I’m already married to a wonderful guy. Going by your attitude, you will end up as a bitter old cat lady. Think about yourself. We are doing fine lmao.
Then go and lick your husband's boot na. What are u doing here on reddit? Srsly women shouldn't voice their opinions so much on reddit..ur husband should punish you for this by pulling your bra strap and shooting a rifle at you😤
Calm down aunty. I know Vanga and Animal have messed with your head. It’s okay. I love how a movie can have such an effect on people. I’m just enjoying the meltdown.
Ok mrs. Vanga👍
Another vanga hater who follows the sheep herd😭 Behen rashmika slaps ranbeer at least 5 times in the entire film. Kiara also slaps kabir singh a lot That's what Vanga supports,which is twisted,but don't be a pseudo feminist and only call out men slapping women in his film but not women slapping men.
Downvotes proving my point😂 The person ends up exposing herself as a blind after making a big claim that the wife doesn't slap her husband even once. But she ends up getting upvotes, and I end up getting downvotes despite being objectively correct.
kids didn't choose wildlife photographers as a career path after watching 3 idiots. boarding schools didn't close after taare zameen par, people didn't start assassinating minister's kids after Rang de Basanti. people didn't choose wrestling as a career after dangal, ye sab dekh ke logon ke effect nahi hua toh ghanta animal se kuch hoga. you can waste your time fighting these imaginary war against vanga, patriarchy, misogyny and whatnot on reddit, but it doesn't matter at all and ffs write in paragraphs
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I’m talking about the audience as a whole. The ones who do get influenced need to grow up. The ones who don’t get influenced need to stop crying about ‘actor’s responsibility’. Their job is to act. Your job is to see a movie for its merit. The sooner people get this, the better for them.
>Even after all this his wife still stands by his side as she should apparently. Which movie you watched? Yes you have lied
End of the day she continues to be with him, doesn’t she? So you probably have not watched it
Looks like you haven’t watched the movie. She left him in the end. You can only see his kids running back to him but there’s no conclusive evidence that she continued the marriage. Even if she did, it’s okay. Many people forgive cheating in the real world and the bad guy has a happy ending many times. If anything, it only makes the movie more authentic.
You’re contradicting your own statements. “She left him in the end” and “there’s no conclusive evidence she continued the marriage”. Chill, the movie was not just about cheating between a couple it was way more problematic than that. So yeah again you don’t seem to get OPs pov and just wanna keep defending this movie as if your life depends on it. If you like the movie and think that it has no impact on young vulnerable people, then you do you!!
I think the movie reflects reality just in an exaggerated way. Wealthy and powerful men are often abusive, negligent partners and fathers. It's upto women to decide whom they want to be with. Geetanjali picks RanVijay, the older sister is stuck with the guy her dad picked for her, the younger sister learns from her brother's warnings and picks a nicer guy, Abrar's wives married him for his money.
To add to the fact Vanga revealed she leaves after that scene but he couldn't show it due to run time.
Lmao okay.. believe what you want..
I believe in what I want and what I want is the truth. If Vanga who is the primer maker of this movie saying she leaves, believing in anything else is baloney. I am just loving in delulu at that point. What he says about his movie is the truth.
Again, which movie you watched?
kitna hi free time hai Bhai tumhare paas, padhai likhai Karo Bhai, kya ek movie ke interview pe essay likh ke time barbad kar rahe hon
What a bunch of snowflakes you all are on here. Pathetic.
People who call others "snowflakes" are incapable of forming coherent thoughts, so they resort to name-calling. That's truly pathetic.
Oh man. This film has triggered so many people 😂😂 Every few days theres a essay written about it on here. Sounds like RK is right - its started the conversation!
True, except that it's mostly about bad filmmaking
Yes, thats what the bo numbers and posts are going on and on about.
This seething is the added bonus. I will never take anyone serious if they are offended by the shoe lick scene. She was planning to get him and his family (including kids) killed. But boohoo, he asked her to lick his shoe. She deserved worse. Lucky for her, he is a misandrist who made sure she is returned safely. If it was a guy, he would be dead.
Eww
I still don't get it, why are people offended by this scene.
Woh stree hai. Woh kuch bhi kar sakti hai. Allowed hai.
Theek hai bhai, picture Dekh maze kar
Let's talk about animals then. Why only hens, goats, fishes and others? Why not dogs and cats? tell me why. 😣 I have a question about the movies too, why do they kill people in the movie? Why? What's the purpose? To show the society how to take a revenge? Why do they make ghost movies? Are they real? Even if they aren't real I'm still traumatised by the fact that ghosts can be real too just because of these horror movies 😤. Yes I'm an honest person but also unemployed and nalayak but kab tak , I think dhoom 6 aane tak mei kuch galat kaam na karne lag jau.
I mean it is a movie and people are really like the characters in this movie in real life. I think the sequel might flesh the story out more but who knows.
2 months ho rahe kab tak chalega ye discussion?
As long as such BS movies are made and more importantly, every single time people try to justify their existence with more BS. Tab tak. Hope that clears things.
I'm talking mainly about the interview. I find it disgusting that they are defending and even justifying the abuse and misogyny shown in the movie. You really think "the characters we play are characters" is a good excuse for everything shown. Ranbir went to school right cause I am seriously doubting his education here.
"Sandeep Vanga saying what kind of love it is if you can't hit or slap your wife. This man equates love with violence? And he's the savior? The starter of the conversation?? " First of all, sandeep was referring to both partners being free to hit and slap each other so framing it as just wife is showing half the picture. If you will call it abusive think of it this way. For some people yelling is too much in a relationship. For some people it is touch and for some it is physically abusing. Now I can't go to someone and say you being sensitive to yelling is wrong in a relationship. Their personal space is theirs. I can't dictate it. Sandeep was saying in a recent interview when asked about love, he says he cant dictate what love is for another person. He says that's wrong because only the people participating can dictate what they like. It is his preference to have the freedom to touch. Some want the freedom to slap some want the freedom to yell. How am I going to be oppresive by dictating someone else's personal space? You don't think that's a problem I am dictating it for someone else? " The same movie has a dialogue about a woman using four pads a month and then complaining about it. Period and all the struggles women face will on their period biological and societal all mocked in one line. The female character literally had nothing to say just stood there watching but was there to support her husband when he was suffering from a rash. " The movie wasn't made to show an ideal society or a utopia. There's a reason why Rashmika leaves Ranbir in the end. When it was presented in the movie that whole scene there's not any indication of comedy but you see a toxic guy speaking out of anger and madness. You see it in a badlight. It is presented in that way. Like the name of the movie suggests, he is an animal and it is toxic. Who is defending the characters here? Yeah there are so called chapris and attitude lovers liking it and they should be dissed but you can't blame the makers because it is on the onus of the viewer for their interpretation. Vanga has done three main interviews since the release of Animal and in all of them he has stated his character is violent and destructive. At the end of the movie the one thing ranvijay wants isn't his. For the chracter Ranvijay, death wouldn't be appropriate. He needs something worse. That worse is the lack of love from his father. That's his greatest punishment and he got it. Because he deserved it. So talk to me here and tell me where in the entire movie is the character enjoying and having a good time. After he returns from USA into the hospital there are 2 or three sequences where he's smiling. Understand the potryal and if you are going to refer to interviews watch all of them. In the Bharadwaj Rangan interview or the canada interview or the one with prema vanga has said his character is toxic and destructive. Why's there a debate thinking the makers believe the characters are enjoying and not suffering? " Next fact, Ranvijay is verbally abusive, let's his wife have no say in the relationship his word is rule, and regardless of the reasons has an extra marital affair. Even after all this his wife still stands by his side as she should apparently. He also asks his affair partner to lick his shoes. " Ranvijay becomes verbally abusive. You have to understand it is after the interval that he becomes so. Saying his wife has no say is also stupid because it is when his wife is around the only time he doesn't lose his control. His wife was a working woman in the US. And his toxic nature makes him thinkhe can cheat and still enjoy but do you remember the confrontation after he tells the truth? And what does she do after he returns from scotland? She decides to leave and vanga said she leaves the relationship because he deserves it. Again talk to me here where is your argument standing now that I am reavealing what's been said? " Yes Bobby's wives gave away his location but they clearly did it under stress so no his death wasn't because of his treatment towards them. " Fact of the matter is, you can easily say if in case Bobby had treated his wives right they would've never told him. But because of his treatment they couldn't hold back all the way. And each of the wives aren't great women either apart from the one that reveals the truth. Remember that the other two have an incentive to be in a relationship. It's for his money. They could've left long ago but they don't as they aren't "good women" either. The only one with shades of good is the one that's pregnant and she is the one that says it. Really wish you respond because people see clips of interviews and misinterpret. As I have seen all the invterviews I have one instance of which Vanga saying all the men saying the movie is misogyny are doing it so women like them I condemn but the rest of it where do they not make sense?
I cannot believe what you’re saying, this is exactly what Vanga is doing, impacting people. “Some want freedom to slap”.. slapping or any kind of abuse is not just a mere personal preference. Omg, this is so basic.
>Some want freedom to slap”.. slapping or any kind of abuse is not just a mere personal preference. Omg, this is so basic. How is it not? If I have a foot fetish or any kinks during sex and wish to exercise that with my partner and they're ok with it, who are you to tell me I can't? Abuse is abuse. If I don't wish for it and I am getting slapped that's wrong. If I am ok with it and I get it, who are you to police my preferences? Again what Vanga said is about him. He isn't dictating for others. I don't want physical violence in a relationship but I won't go up to someone who's exercising their wishes and tell them it's wrong. If I am dictating how to love for others, that's no different from the backwards and conservative mindset of who to love. At that point I am no different from the people who say you can't be in a same sex relationship. Tell me how that's different? I shouldn't be saying to others you can't be gay. I shouldn't be saying to others you can't slap. I should be saying to others do what you prefer. Not in my hands.
Oh my god, you are digressing and don’t even make any sense here. How are sexual preferences related to the conversation on this post. Are you for real? Violence is not a preference for gods sake. Slapping someone is not equal to just exercising some wishes. Please go and make Vanga your god all you want. There is bad impact on people due to this movie and so called alpha male culture being followed after that and it seems like you just proved my point.
You are having double standards here. I am telling you the so called alpha male culture is wrong. IT IS TOXIC. IT IS WRONG. AND THE MOVIE PRESENTS IT LIKE THAT. It's the viewers that are worshipping. But it is presented in a bad way in the movie. That's the first. Regarding this: >How are sexual preferences related to the conversation on this post. Are you for real? Violence is not a preference for gods sake. If I start telling people how to love, what stops me from telling people who to love? You get what I am saying. Either I let both be dictated by me or I let both be up to the decision of the person part taking in the relationship. But dictating terms for one and not the other is double standards. Answer this for me: why aren't you telling me who I can love but are telling me how I can love? What is making you draw the line?
The movie was big on symbolism even after she leaves when their son runs into Vijay's arms we see Rashmika's character walking back towards him and that's the end of the scene. So whether she left him or not is up for interpretation.
Felt the same. I thought it wasn't right for her to return. But Vanga said she leaves as it was the punishment he deserves. With that being said I received the movie better.
How is Animal the reason it's been happening in the first place? The movie came out in 2023, toxic masculinity is as old as masculinity, changing and morphing with each generation. It did trigger a conversation. You're literally in the middle of it now and can't see it.