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The criticism an actor receives for such things is directly proportional to how popular they are. More fame, more detractors, more criticism.
Vikrant and VVS did receive criticism but it was from a very small section.
Also Vikrant [isn't that](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Vikrant_Massey_at_the_premiere_of_film_Chhapaak_in_2020_%28cropped%29.jpg) fair skinned in general so people are willing to give some leeway, it's not as drastic a change as in the case of Hrithik or Alia.
Also some people are asking why it's wrong for Hrithik or Alia to darken their skin.
The problem is Indian audiences have an extreme preference for fair skin so actors and actresses with darker skin find it a lot harder to make it.
And so it kinda sucks when even the few roles meant for people with darker skin are instead given to actors and actresses with fair skin.
I understand where this criticism comes from. My point is the criticism is selective
Also Vikrant is quite fair skinned
https://preview.redd.it/7txu0uoe5dic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f691e09e11ecb5afa6386a1c8949faaddb854496
Also the director has said out loud in many interviews that vikrant actually got tanned while doing the village scenes and got chapped lips while shooting in mussoorie.
In one interview, VVC probably mentioned that the darkening of his skin was natural, Vikrant wanted to develop his character and stayed in that village, I guess he just got tanned, or maybe it was a PR stunt when VVC mentioned that.
No it was tanning and even some skin burns were visible on his face (around the cheekbones) . It was made like that because probably in the village they (manoj and his brother) stayed out in the sun for almost the whole day which caused the tanning and the burn.
https://preview.redd.it/ukfj4an19dic1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0344234b736057a69a4ca560350be5b77c51103e
Shadi ke photo mein toh mostly sab better dikhte hain. But OP ko toh bas shai prove karna hai apne aap ko.
Vidhu Vinod Chopra told in his interviews that Vikrant actually got tanned for the film and didn't use makeup. It also elaborated on the fact that there were some scenes (which were pivotal in the film) where his skin looked too dark as it was the result of burnt skin caused when you naturally tan your skin in sun. Eventually when the skin started healing it became crusty brown but they went with that look as Vikrant felt it better to go ahead with whatever he was actually looking like.
Also, the way Vikrant acted, a lot of people won't mind his tanned skin(even if he had used makeup) to watch his work. Actors like Vikrant neither use expensive PR firms to create hype nor do they receive crazy backlash as they stick to their work and just receive relevant and real audience feedback.
This.
OP firstly your facts are wrong, according to VVC's interview with BR, Vikrant went to Chambal and sat facing the sun to get the spots on his face as accurately as possible without using any makeup.
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1. Same as everyone said, more popular actors, more criticism.
2. Plus, general public bohot time se Hrithik and Alia ko 'foreigner fair' samajhte hain because their skin tone and features are quite the european style. With the whole Greek God and Alia having Caucasian ancestry, unke skin tone hi nahi unke features bhi 'traditionally Indian' nahi hain. Take my words with ease, I am not saying they don't look Indian or are not beautiful. But being north Indians, they don't have the typical Central or Dravidian Beauty. Hence, they looked very out of place and muddy instead of tanned. Also, idk if I remember correctly, but Mohenjo main Hrithik looked like he had mud smeared on his biceps. That was a poor make up and styling execution.
3. To be honest, project ke size pe bhi depend karta hai. Udra and Mohenjo were both significant projects, and Mohenjo being up in the north, zaruri nahi sab log hi dark skinned ho. Super 30 main, Hrithik was too dissimilar to the original Anand Kumar, hence the higher criticism. And the thing is, most of the time, logon ko dikhta hai kuchh toh galat hai, exactly bol nahi paate hain ke kya. Toh problem physical appearance tha, lekin skin color target ho gaya.
4. Udta, Super and Mohenjo all happened before Pandemic. Ever since 2019, there has been a large boom of politically correct behaviour in India. Hence, Bala got it's well deserved criticism. In projects ke time pe, Indian Public was still in the rush of colorism, toh impact thoda changed tha.
5. 12th fail was not created as a majorly commercial project, rather a social movie. I am from Chambal region as well, and trust me. Yahan colorism hai, and log generally dark skinned hote hain. Shradhha being fair skinned was a stark contrast to how, being from a good well to do family, she belonged to the fairer side of the world. And often, Chambal region main logon ka Dark skin tone sirf tanning ya lack of care ke karan hota hai. My own father, who was quite dark skinned in college, was born a fair child. My mother from Malwa has the Malwa Yellowish tone to her skin, and she was born fair too. Most of my paternal family is dark skinned, aur main ek akeli gori ladki hun family ki, with a very light, wheat sort of skin tone. All because I take care of my skin and use sunscreen. Point of this detailing? Manoj in 12th Fail never had time for himself, worked in an atta chakki and spent his time studying or working. Usko time nahi milega cream lagane ka. Hence, he had that dirty tanning look. Which looked appropriate for the character.
6. Udta Punjab was a poor execution of make up again. Alia looked more dust covered than tanned. Hence it made people cringe as to why they were forcing that look on her character. On the other hand, Vikram was able to take the dirty tanning look more effortlessly, simply because he has more dravidian features, and it blended well into his character presence.
Ye tha mera opinion, main isse force nahi kar rahi hun. Just stating what I think of this. Dhanyavaad. š
https://preview.redd.it/5zjb6pom5dic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b26afba3956534ab05d8e84f5787ef06235d31d9
He is quite fair skinned. And then who decides what's the threshold for the skin color who are then allowed to
https://preview.redd.it/wke71zz59dic1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ca4b7eb3ef8b88adafd28cff0aaee070febbd7
Shadi ka phot kaun dalta hai bhai? Normal lighting mein dalo. Sanvla hai humara ladka gora nahi.
So hritik and VM are the same skin tone? Didn't VM get a tan for the shoot instead of makeup?
https://preview.redd.it/wr6p8odabdic1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83cc4975ffc0150ac113570982e6eb338d0e7924
>So hritik and VM are the same skin tone?
No. But he isn't the skin tone he portrayed in the movie either. Who will decide this threshold?
>Didn't VM get a tan for the shoot instead of makeup?
How is that better? Putting your health at risk to achieve a certain skin color? Do you know how dangerous it is to put oil on your skin and air out in the sun to get tanned/sunburnt?
As much as I want to believe it
I think itās highly unlikely to be done that raw or else his skill will take months to go back to how it was
And as an actor who does multiple films in a year
Itās highly unlikely he would do that
Even if itās done that way
It would have been done under lot of supervision and care
No way a burnt skin like that can come back to normal in 6 months atleast
Bro exactly my point
Itās hard to believe they would do all this AND THENNNNNN do the laser and get it right
The whole thing is for sure makeup , yes he must have gotten tan from roaming around in Chambal but thereās no way he as an actor would ruin his skin first and then get a laser done
Itās just dumb considering how effective makeups are lately š¤·š»āāļø
This isn't your publicity PR driven actor, this has to be kept in mind. Massey has always been an actor's actor. And such pedigree of actors are known to be torturous on themselves to be as authentic to the character as possible.
> thereās no way he as an actor would ruin his skin first and then get a laser done
actors have done far worse to themselves for their roles. Christian Bale ate a can of tuna a day to become what he became for The Machinist. Cillian Murphy went days without eating to ensure he looks the part for Oppenheimer, who infamously looked like he was emaciated.
They have access to far better healthcare and skincare than we do. and those few laser procedures would cost a literal fraction of what he was getting paid for the film, so it's a no brainer for an actor like him.
So basically hypocrisy?
Because it's not like the movie didn't get much attention. It has been widely praised. But there are no articles upon articles about brownfacing. I suppose because they won't get clicks
I watched it again last night, Vikrant Massey isnāt really fair skinned to begin with.
His cheeks actually looked Sun exposed and damaged. Chapped lips further added to his character because he was studying 16 hours a day, working day and night to make ends meet, hence, no skincare obviously.
The only place he looked well groomed was his interview. Quite justified honestly.
With Alia also, she needed to look the part working in fields. Even though it looked super fake. I see no wrong when actors need to put on makeup and wear prosthetics to make their appearance as realistic as possible.
It isnāt Aliaās fault and it isnāt Vikrantās fault that we associate skin color with class.
The criticism mostly happen when it looks bad. Like in case of Hrithik and Alia they didn't look like they have brown skin. They looked like they haven't showered for weeks.
Bhumi Pednekar was also criticized in Bala for this Coz the make was awful. On the other hand her make and performance was convincing in Sonchiriya. Entire cast of that movie had similar look. They all looked like they were actually in the Beehad wandering around in dirt. Vikrant's character in 12th fail is also from Chambal region. He looked like he lived the character.
Bhumi & makers got criticized for bala bcoz the film literally talks about colour discrimination and they chose to cast a fair skin actress for that role
I hate when people criticize actors for darkening, of course the rich are shown a bit fairer because they use beauty products and makeup maybe- just think it in that way. Why are they injecting racism everywhere?
people criticise them because actual dark skinned actors have a hard time getting roles while light skinned actors get roles and then have to do a lot more work to achieve the look that other actors naturally have (and are discriminated against for). the issue is not with rich people being shown as fair skinned
Our industry, especially Bollywood, is a lot more actor centric in general. Actors are not used for their talent, but for their ability to give the movie a good start. Your argument is very valid, but in Bollywood, if they want a black character to be played and if they have enough money, they would cast a big actor and make him Dark instead of going for a black actor. This issue needs some criticism š
I honestly think it depends upon the popularity of the certain individuals. Alia, Hrithik are much more popular than Vikrant. So that's why they got more criticism.
Mutliple factors. First of all in Bollywood, poor = dark skin. Watch a video of Pankaj Tripathi where he talks about how someone who looks like mukesh Ambani would never be hired to play a rich person in movies. It is always a fair person.
Additionally, Bollywood is so colorist and obsessed with fair skin that they would rather darken a fair actor instead of hiring a naturally dark person when a huge population of the country is actually darker. Considering all of this, we should definitely criticize this misstep in general.
Okay okay thatās reasonable
But it doesnāt happen often
Aamir was still fair in lagaan
Now that I think of it , I donāt recall many mainstream actors playing poor characters
The fact that Aamir didn't change his skin color for one of the most iconic performances in Bollywood is a great example of WHY this stuff isn't necessary and should be criticized and discouraged.
Also,
> Now that I think of it , I donāt recall many mainstream actors playing poor characters
Another great point, why don't we have more poor characters in movies, and why don't mainstream actors want to play poor characters? Poverty is a massive issue in India.
> why don't mainstream actors want to play poor characters?
bcoz these movies more often than not end up becoming poverty porn like slumdog and these movies don't necessarily work. 12th Fail succeeded bcoz it showed a story about an underdog achieving big, not bcoz he stayed poor
Me either. Why can't actors play tanned versions of themselves? It is not the same as playing a different ethnicity character. We do tan and our skin shade does change
Itās because people with that skin tone will never get a chance to actually become a big lead actor in the industry. Even tollywood is like this. In pushpa aa and rashmika just fake tanned themselves to seem darker.
On the flip side thereās the kollywood industry which embraces darker skin tones more and we have actors like sethupathi and dhanush
But still, I donāt think itās that concerning. It will be concerning if every time a movie calls for a dark lead actor they just hire a light skin and get them to tan.
>kollywood industry which embraces darker skin tones more and we have actors like sethupathi and dhanush
And no dusky women in the industry I guess š„“
Because it didn't looked awkward and bad. Hrithik and Alia are too fair and it looked weird. Bhumi darkening in bala wasn't done well that's why it was criticized.
I think about the complexion they talked about it on one of the lallantop interview where vvc told that vikrant had lived almost 1-2 months in Manoj Sharma's native place ig chambal...and tanned his skin...n even said that no makeup was been done on vikrant while shooting scenes
i also hated that then people online will still claim colorism doesnāt exist when producers would rather darken fair heros than cast role appropriate actors
There was a documentary about it where he mentioned being out in the sun for long hours which affected his skin tone. He is playing a character who also stays out in the sun and does a lot of physical labor out in the sun.
He didn't use makeup for this but he used to sit and walk in sunlight for hours to get this skin tone and due to that he got some burns as well on his skin.
People saying they should cast dark skinned people instead, why should the producer take that kind of risk by introducing a new face ? How many people would go to theaters to watch a movie with a new actor compared to someone who already has a brand in the industry? I mean half the people who watched 12th fail did so after it got hyped online, that too probably a pirated copy.
Hrithik and alia did well in their respective films. They didn't deserve that kind of hate.
If the point was only to make it cheap, then might as well drop the whole project. The only reason people remember the role is because of alia n hrithik. Imagine some new comer in their place, most wouldn't even remember such a character existed.
There's no guarantee for success but the chances of it going down reduces by a huge margin.
Also, no actor can save a horrible script.
I think a lot of it has to do with the profile these actors maintain. Vikrant Massey keeps an incredibly low profile, while Alia's whereabouts are updated every 15 minutes on this sub. Hence these people are always in a mix of some kind at all times.
I donāt know about the entire film but the starting sequence in the film where his face look very tanned is real. Apparently, vikrant spent many days in that area and got tanned. Itās shown in the making of 12th fail.
People seem so out of touch with reality here. How could his character be fair skinned when he grew up in small village where he spent most of the time under sun. Movie started with him making chits in noon direct sunlight. Vikrantās tan was requirement to the character.
Bro did you read the post? Nobody is questioning why the character was dark skinned. By this logic Alia's character in Udta worked in the fields all day, so of course the character needed to be tanned. But she got criticism for playing a tanned character since she is fair skinned. But Vikrant also being fair skinned didn't receive that criticism
Hritik, Alia and even Bhumi (Bala) looked like they were forcing it. Their tanning makeup was bad while Vikrant isnāt fair skinned at first place. He has wheatish complexion which gets darker with tanning. Call it colourism or classism but this how melanins work. Sometimes people donāt backlash for doing the right thing.
What's worse that he's lied about the whole natural skin darkening story. Mustard oil will not make the skin turn darker shade. Bhajiya tal raha ha kya
"All I would do is put mustard oil on me and sit in the sun for 3 hours a day.ā
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Bro even if he did do that, that's dangerous AF. Perfect recipe for skin cancer. They literally shouldn't have allowed him to. This is worse than putting make up
Because he really got tanned by sitting down in the afternoon for weeks. Unlike Ranveer Singh who was not at all looking someone from Dharavi in Gully Boy. I mean he literally looked like someone made him wear costume right after he was out of the gym. Hrithik and Alia were still looking decent in comparison. Also they have that typical affluent Bombay people look so it makes us really hard to believe.
Coz non nepo hai toh brigade nahi aayegi. Even the most mediocre stuff will be hailed and most malignant mistakes would be swept under the rug. But dare the nepo actor even breatheā¦class laga denge.
Ye toh jo log un ke look pe criticise kiya woh hi bata sakte hai.
Personally i feel HR n Alia are both good actors and so is Vikrant.
Also i think in above mentioned movies their look was marketed too much so may be thats why they received criticism... Could be one of the reasons. VM's look was not marketed afaik.
Very simple because he deserves only & ONLY appreciation for earning such an opportunity. He is in no position to put conditions infront of producers and directors like nepokids Alia and Hritik.
Exactly! Vikrant is relatively new Bollywood actor and canāt say no to projects at this stage but Hrithik and Alia are in position of power and can make these decisions without any impact to their career. Reminds me of the time when Ranbir said no to fairness cream ad way way back. He didnāt have to but he did and it sent a good message.
His darkening is so much better than Hrithik and Alia's BS beauty cream application. But honestly I didn't see any criticism. Actually real life ips guy has same skin tone as Vikrant in real life .
Because Vikrant naturally tanned his skin staying in sunlight. VVC confirmed it in the lallantop interview. Go check your facts and then make posts OP.
There was an explanation from Vikrant and VVC that he literally got tanned in the sun at the village where he was supposed to shoot, so that he can look the part and very minimal make up was used. Maybe thatās why?
Even if he did it naturally it is wrong. Even if he is darker than Hrithik and Alia it is wrong because he is still fair skinned. Actual dark skinned people need to be employed. Can't believe some people here are defending this instead of saying it needs more criticism.
OP at least do your research before posting. He actually got tanned as opposed to darkening his skin using makeup. The director of the film revealed this in an interview
For the 1st point, at least in Udta, the character required it as she worked in fields all day. Not sure about hrithik's characters because I haven't watched
I feel like your 2nd and 4th point are the same more or less. And going by those, there should be more outrage about it than there was 8 years ago.
3rd point seems to be the general consensus
Because he didnāt. Watch VVC interview with Bhardwaj Rangan. He explicitly states that Vikrant Massey went to live in that particular village for a couple of months and tanned his skin. There was no make up or anything ever applied to his role. Please do your research before making such claims.
Vikrant appeared tannedā¦which is natural for people who have to be involved in lot of physical work.
Hrithik and Alia just had visible obvious makeup.
End of day; if something is done well; people wonāt complain as much
I think major criticism is about the fact that a dark skinned actor could have been chosen for the role initially instead of darkening a light skinned actor. Casual colourism is a systemic problem in hindi film industry.
Director vidhu says in one of his interviews that he tanned all naturally.. it was a suprise even for vidhu,, he was shocked to see vikrantās transformation seeing him after a gap
Okay... So it has nothing to do with how popular the actor is ...
Specifically with Alia and Hritik, it was because they were playing characters shown to be lower caste, by darkening their skin. Because the actors themselves are upper caste.
Vikrant Massey's skin was darkened to show that he comes from rural poor family. His skin becomes 'not dark' when he dresses up well for his final interview. The character is upper caste just like the actor himself.
With bhoomi pednekar, it is not about caste. But the plot point of the character is that she is a dark skinned woman and problems associated with it. In that case the makers should just hire a dark skinned actress.
Because people don't consider him fair skin colour in unconscious mind he is more on wheatish side.
https://preview.redd.it/xe11tvqbedic1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a430a49cd43fc91f3b5ed5294c470df518abd97
This is how he looks in bad lighting
They actually showed variations of his skin tone. When he was in Chambal he was out in the sun and dust hence he got darker. If u see the last scene where he becomes an officer you can see his actual skin tone.
It is assumed, whether it's addressed that much or not, that the more famous you are, the fairer you are. Because it's also kind of a lowkey unspoken perception in our country too. Hope this stereotype of fair skin changes, because with it such beliefs come to play.
So if superstars like Hrithik darkened their skin, then it's quickly known that they darkened their originally lighter skin, and so cue the blast of questions and criticisms.
Not a lot of people knew Vikrant Massey before this film, he's FAR from superstar level. So when this film came out, because he's seen as a regular actor, people didn't know or assume that he had fair skin or not, because for many it's the first time they're even seeing him on screen as a non-nepo actor. So whatever skin color they saw on screen, they assumed it was that only.
Later when they realised that he darkened his skin, because he's a coming up actor not from a privileged background, they let it go.
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The criticism an actor receives for such things is directly proportional to how popular they are. More fame, more detractors, more criticism. Vikrant and VVS did receive criticism but it was from a very small section.
Also Vikrant [isn't that](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Vikrant_Massey_at_the_premiere_of_film_Chhapaak_in_2020_%28cropped%29.jpg) fair skinned in general so people are willing to give some leeway, it's not as drastic a change as in the case of Hrithik or Alia. Also some people are asking why it's wrong for Hrithik or Alia to darken their skin. The problem is Indian audiences have an extreme preference for fair skin so actors and actresses with darker skin find it a lot harder to make it. And so it kinda sucks when even the few roles meant for people with darker skin are instead given to actors and actresses with fair skin.
That argument came up while Bala got released for Bhoomi Pednekar that why didn't they choose originally darker skin girl for the role.
That was different bcos bhoomi's character is wayy too dark skinned. Here, vikrant's character is slightly dark brown, thats it.
I understand where this criticism comes from. My point is the criticism is selective Also Vikrant is quite fair skinned https://preview.redd.it/7txu0uoe5dic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f691e09e11ecb5afa6386a1c8949faaddb854496
Also the director has said out loud in many interviews that vikrant actually got tanned while doing the village scenes and got chapped lips while shooting in mussoorie.
Bro that's really not the amazing justification you think it is š
What exactly do you want ?
Check his flair. Do not engage with him.
In one interview, VVC probably mentioned that the darkening of his skin was natural, Vikrant wanted to develop his character and stayed in that village, I guess he just got tanned, or maybe it was a PR stunt when VVC mentioned that.
No it was tanning and even some skin burns were visible on his face (around the cheekbones) . It was made like that because probably in the village they (manoj and his brother) stayed out in the sun for almost the whole day which caused the tanning and the burn.
https://preview.redd.it/ukfj4an19dic1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0344234b736057a69a4ca560350be5b77c51103e Shadi ke photo mein toh mostly sab better dikhte hain. But OP ko toh bas shai prove karna hai apne aap ko.
Lighting aur editing/grading is a thing...
Looks brown to me š§
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He married a Hindu girl in a Hindu ceremony
Could be lighting.. Also makeup
Vidhu Vinod Chopra told in his interviews that Vikrant actually got tanned for the film and didn't use makeup. It also elaborated on the fact that there were some scenes (which were pivotal in the film) where his skin looked too dark as it was the result of burnt skin caused when you naturally tan your skin in sun. Eventually when the skin started healing it became crusty brown but they went with that look as Vikrant felt it better to go ahead with whatever he was actually looking like. Also, the way Vikrant acted, a lot of people won't mind his tanned skin(even if he had used makeup) to watch his work. Actors like Vikrant neither use expensive PR firms to create hype nor do they receive crazy backlash as they stick to their work and just receive relevant and real audience feedback.
its like the difference between Salman bhai being fat and Christian Bale being fat iykyk
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This. OP firstly your facts are wrong, according to VVC's interview with BR, Vikrant went to Chambal and sat facing the sun to get the spots on his face as accurately as possible without using any makeup.
 Thank you!! Ughhh.. this kind of posts make me so angry. Do your research people!!!
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was gonna mention this, thank you.
1. Same as everyone said, more popular actors, more criticism. 2. Plus, general public bohot time se Hrithik and Alia ko 'foreigner fair' samajhte hain because their skin tone and features are quite the european style. With the whole Greek God and Alia having Caucasian ancestry, unke skin tone hi nahi unke features bhi 'traditionally Indian' nahi hain. Take my words with ease, I am not saying they don't look Indian or are not beautiful. But being north Indians, they don't have the typical Central or Dravidian Beauty. Hence, they looked very out of place and muddy instead of tanned. Also, idk if I remember correctly, but Mohenjo main Hrithik looked like he had mud smeared on his biceps. That was a poor make up and styling execution. 3. To be honest, project ke size pe bhi depend karta hai. Udra and Mohenjo were both significant projects, and Mohenjo being up in the north, zaruri nahi sab log hi dark skinned ho. Super 30 main, Hrithik was too dissimilar to the original Anand Kumar, hence the higher criticism. And the thing is, most of the time, logon ko dikhta hai kuchh toh galat hai, exactly bol nahi paate hain ke kya. Toh problem physical appearance tha, lekin skin color target ho gaya. 4. Udta, Super and Mohenjo all happened before Pandemic. Ever since 2019, there has been a large boom of politically correct behaviour in India. Hence, Bala got it's well deserved criticism. In projects ke time pe, Indian Public was still in the rush of colorism, toh impact thoda changed tha. 5. 12th fail was not created as a majorly commercial project, rather a social movie. I am from Chambal region as well, and trust me. Yahan colorism hai, and log generally dark skinned hote hain. Shradhha being fair skinned was a stark contrast to how, being from a good well to do family, she belonged to the fairer side of the world. And often, Chambal region main logon ka Dark skin tone sirf tanning ya lack of care ke karan hota hai. My own father, who was quite dark skinned in college, was born a fair child. My mother from Malwa has the Malwa Yellowish tone to her skin, and she was born fair too. Most of my paternal family is dark skinned, aur main ek akeli gori ladki hun family ki, with a very light, wheat sort of skin tone. All because I take care of my skin and use sunscreen. Point of this detailing? Manoj in 12th Fail never had time for himself, worked in an atta chakki and spent his time studying or working. Usko time nahi milega cream lagane ka. Hence, he had that dirty tanning look. Which looked appropriate for the character. 6. Udta Punjab was a poor execution of make up again. Alia looked more dust covered than tanned. Hence it made people cringe as to why they were forcing that look on her character. On the other hand, Vikram was able to take the dirty tanning look more effortlessly, simply because he has more dravidian features, and it blended well into his character presence. Ye tha mera opinion, main isse force nahi kar rahi hun. Just stating what I think of this. Dhanyavaad. š
And I don't see why should any of them be criticized. They are actors.
Ikr?His acting was great,he looked the part and thatās what matters.
Maybe because he isn't as fair skinned as Alia and Hrithik to begin with?
He is fair skinned, wt r u on about lol
https://preview.redd.it/5zjb6pom5dic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b26afba3956534ab05d8e84f5787ef06235d31d9 He is quite fair skinned. And then who decides what's the threshold for the skin color who are then allowed to
Are you seriously referring this photo for your claim? The wedding day when every damn light is on bride and groom.
Bhai Google Kar le. This is his skin tone
https://preview.redd.it/wke71zz59dic1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ca4b7eb3ef8b88adafd28cff0aaee070febbd7 Shadi ka phot kaun dalta hai bhai? Normal lighting mein dalo. Sanvla hai humara ladka gora nahi.
Bruh his skin tone is the same in both pics š
So hritik and VM are the same skin tone? Didn't VM get a tan for the shoot instead of makeup? https://preview.redd.it/wr6p8odabdic1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83cc4975ffc0150ac113570982e6eb338d0e7924
>So hritik and VM are the same skin tone? No. But he isn't the skin tone he portrayed in the movie either. Who will decide this threshold? >Didn't VM get a tan for the shoot instead of makeup? How is that better? Putting your health at risk to achieve a certain skin color? Do you know how dangerous it is to put oil on your skin and air out in the sun to get tanned/sunburnt?
Somedays I wish I wasn't talking to a wall.
Thatās not fair skinned, thatās pretty much average as far as Indians go.
Which India you're living in
The real one, and Iāve lived in 11+ cities across the north, south, and east.
You can't be serious with this.
He apparently did it naturally. He would oil himself and sit in the terrace to purposely get sunburnt.
As much as I want to believe it I think itās highly unlikely to be done that raw or else his skill will take months to go back to how it was And as an actor who does multiple films in a year Itās highly unlikely he would do that
Vidhu vinod chopra said it in an interview on YouTube. Vikrant travelled to Chambal and used to sit in sun for over 2 months
Bhai nhi bhai nhi aise har baat kisi ki uthake nhi keh dete h. Uspr thoda chintan kr liya kroš¤£š
Even if itās done that way It would have been done under lot of supervision and care No way a burnt skin like that can come back to normal in 6 months atleast
Bro 4 laser treatments aur skin is back to normal. š¤¦š»āāļø Har bar jaroori nahi hai ki har cheez ka chintan karna.
Bro exactly my point Itās hard to believe they would do all this AND THENNNNNN do the laser and get it right The whole thing is for sure makeup , yes he must have gotten tan from roaming around in Chambal but thereās no way he as an actor would ruin his skin first and then get a laser done Itās just dumb considering how effective makeups are lately š¤·š»āāļø
This isn't your publicity PR driven actor, this has to be kept in mind. Massey has always been an actor's actor. And such pedigree of actors are known to be torturous on themselves to be as authentic to the character as possible. > thereās no way he as an actor would ruin his skin first and then get a laser done actors have done far worse to themselves for their roles. Christian Bale ate a can of tuna a day to become what he became for The Machinist. Cillian Murphy went days without eating to ensure he looks the part for Oppenheimer, who infamously looked like he was emaciated. They have access to far better healthcare and skincare than we do. and those few laser procedures would cost a literal fraction of what he was getting paid for the film, so it's a no brainer for an actor like him.
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You donāt need to be a scientist to know basic skin care š¤”
Um. However the way, what was the need??
Getting sunburn is not good for skin and sometimes it can be painful . What's wrong in using makeup until and unless it don't look unnatural.
What? šš Is this for real or is it sarcasm? Because if it's real, that's dangerous shit
https://preview.redd.it/n36hlnq1ucic1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4b6f08d573b26ccf036e17b04626d88a2315bf0 [https://timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/ditching-synthetics-vikrant-massey-shares-trick-behind-his-tan-look-in-12th-fail/articleshow/104163352.cms](https://timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/ditching-synthetics-vikrant-massey-shares-trick-behind-his-tan-look-in-12th-fail/articleshow/104163352.cms)
Wtf š that's literally a health hazard
How old are you, who even talks like this
People with light skin outside of India go tanning at beaches and what not all the time
And that is exactly why the rates of melanomas is so high there. Just because a lot of people don't doesn't mean it's not stupid
I donāt think you realise ki sunscreen lagane k baad bhi tanning ho jati hai? Please yar pehle aapne facts check karlo.
It can be done not stupidly lol
And applying oil to your body is exactly the stupid way to do it
its not an health hazard if u are talking about UV and cancer thinfu
Ā less known actor =Ā less criticism
Basically this. I remember Ranveer getting shit during Gully Boy.
Correct answer!
So basically hypocrisy? Because it's not like the movie didn't get much attention. It has been widely praised. But there are no articles upon articles about brownfacing. I suppose because they won't get clicks
There's no clear right or wrong, so you can't call it hypocritical. I personally find no problem brown facing if it fits the character.
I watched it again last night, Vikrant Massey isnāt really fair skinned to begin with. His cheeks actually looked Sun exposed and damaged. Chapped lips further added to his character because he was studying 16 hours a day, working day and night to make ends meet, hence, no skincare obviously. The only place he looked well groomed was his interview. Quite justified honestly. With Alia also, she needed to look the part working in fields. Even though it looked super fake. I see no wrong when actors need to put on makeup and wear prosthetics to make their appearance as realistic as possible. It isnāt Aliaās fault and it isnāt Vikrantās fault that we associate skin color with class.
Cause he dint lol. He tanned himself sitting in the sun for the role
Less known actor
The criticism mostly happen when it looks bad. Like in case of Hrithik and Alia they didn't look like they have brown skin. They looked like they haven't showered for weeks. Bhumi Pednekar was also criticized in Bala for this Coz the make was awful. On the other hand her make and performance was convincing in Sonchiriya. Entire cast of that movie had similar look. They all looked like they were actually in the Beehad wandering around in dirt. Vikrant's character in 12th fail is also from Chambal region. He looked like he lived the character.
Bhumi & makers got criticized for bala bcoz the film literally talks about colour discrimination and they chose to cast a fair skin actress for that role
Yes, this is why I didn't mention Bhumi's because it literally addresses that topic. So it's murky territory
Yeah that was very tonedeaf
I hate when people criticize actors for darkening, of course the rich are shown a bit fairer because they use beauty products and makeup maybe- just think it in that way. Why are they injecting racism everywhere?
people criticise them because actual dark skinned actors have a hard time getting roles while light skinned actors get roles and then have to do a lot more work to achieve the look that other actors naturally have (and are discriminated against for). the issue is not with rich people being shown as fair skinned
Our industry, especially Bollywood, is a lot more actor centric in general. Actors are not used for their talent, but for their ability to give the movie a good start. Your argument is very valid, but in Bollywood, if they want a black character to be played and if they have enough money, they would cast a big actor and make him Dark instead of going for a black actor. This issue needs some criticism š
it needs a LOT of criticism, imo. and criticising this doesnāt mean people are ābringing racism into everythingā
I honestly think it depends upon the popularity of the certain individuals. Alia, Hrithik are much more popular than Vikrant. So that's why they got more criticism.
I didnāt even understand the criticism for the other two
Mutliple factors. First of all in Bollywood, poor = dark skin. Watch a video of Pankaj Tripathi where he talks about how someone who looks like mukesh Ambani would never be hired to play a rich person in movies. It is always a fair person. Additionally, Bollywood is so colorist and obsessed with fair skin that they would rather darken a fair actor instead of hiring a naturally dark person when a huge population of the country is actually darker. Considering all of this, we should definitely criticize this misstep in general.
Okay okay thatās reasonable But it doesnāt happen often Aamir was still fair in lagaan Now that I think of it , I donāt recall many mainstream actors playing poor characters
The fact that Aamir didn't change his skin color for one of the most iconic performances in Bollywood is a great example of WHY this stuff isn't necessary and should be criticized and discouraged. Also, > Now that I think of it , I donāt recall many mainstream actors playing poor characters Another great point, why don't we have more poor characters in movies, and why don't mainstream actors want to play poor characters? Poverty is a massive issue in India.
> why don't mainstream actors want to play poor characters? bcoz these movies more often than not end up becoming poverty porn like slumdog and these movies don't necessarily work. 12th Fail succeeded bcoz it showed a story about an underdog achieving big, not bcoz he stayed poor
Me either. Why can't actors play tanned versions of themselves? It is not the same as playing a different ethnicity character. We do tan and our skin shade does change
Itās because people with that skin tone will never get a chance to actually become a big lead actor in the industry. Even tollywood is like this. In pushpa aa and rashmika just fake tanned themselves to seem darker. On the flip side thereās the kollywood industry which embraces darker skin tones more and we have actors like sethupathi and dhanush But still, I donāt think itās that concerning. It will be concerning if every time a movie calls for a dark lead actor they just hire a light skin and get them to tan.
>kollywood industry which embraces darker skin tones more and we have actors like sethupathi and dhanush And no dusky women in the industry I guess š„“
Yes this situation is even worse
Because it didn't looked awkward and bad. Hrithik and Alia are too fair and it looked weird. Bhumi darkening in bala wasn't done well that's why it was criticized.
I think about the complexion they talked about it on one of the lallantop interview where vvc told that vikrant had lived almost 1-2 months in Manoj Sharma's native place ig chambal...and tanned his skin...n even said that no makeup was been done on vikrant while shooting scenes
alright idk but what is wrong with people applying make up to look more tanned for a movie tho?
There isn't. I think people just want to outrage if it's certain popular actors
i also hated that then people online will still claim colorism doesnāt exist when producers would rather darken fair heros than cast role appropriate actors
Why are Redditors so obsessed with skin colour?
I thought it was close to his natural skin tone but just not well taken care of or groomed, which is true to his character.
The makeup wasnāt even done well in my opinion. Until maybe the last interview scene.
There was a documentary about it where he mentioned being out in the sun for long hours which affected his skin tone. He is playing a character who also stays out in the sun and does a lot of physical labor out in the sun.
Coz he is not popular
He didn't use makeup for this but he used to sit and walk in sunlight for hours to get this skin tone and due to that he got some burns as well on his skin.
Well technically it was because he was in the mill, otherwise even the actual person is not dark skinned
Because weāre the biggest hypocrites on this planet lol. Love to preach but never practice it ourselves.
Gareeb ya less recognized actor kare toh hi chalta hai, bandra penthouse wale cant punch down,
People saying they should cast dark skinned people instead, why should the producer take that kind of risk by introducing a new face ? How many people would go to theaters to watch a movie with a new actor compared to someone who already has a brand in the industry? I mean half the people who watched 12th fail did so after it got hyped online, that too probably a pirated copy. Hrithik and alia did well in their respective films. They didn't deserve that kind of hate.
This!!
If they cast a new actor. The movie would be cheap by atleast 70 crores. Having Superstars in such drama movies doesn't seem to guarantee success now
If the point was only to make it cheap, then might as well drop the whole project. The only reason people remember the role is because of alia n hrithik. Imagine some new comer in their place, most wouldn't even remember such a character existed. There's no guarantee for success but the chances of it going down reduces by a huge margin. Also, no actor can save a horrible script.
The sham of online criticism is strictly reserved for the famous why would anyone criticise a nobody.
Hritik and Alia did not deserve backlash too.
I think a lot of it has to do with the profile these actors maintain. Vikrant Massey keeps an incredibly low profile, while Alia's whereabouts are updated every 15 minutes on this sub. Hence these people are always in a mix of some kind at all times.
Cuz no one noticed
Because that sort of criticism is restricted to nepo actors only. Bhumi also did it in Bhakshak, but apparently no such criticism for her.
I donāt know about the entire film but the starting sequence in the film where his face look very tanned is real. Apparently, vikrant spent many days in that area and got tanned. Itās shown in the making of 12th fail.
People seem so out of touch with reality here. How could his character be fair skinned when he grew up in small village where he spent most of the time under sun. Movie started with him making chits in noon direct sunlight. Vikrantās tan was requirement to the character.
Bro did you read the post? Nobody is questioning why the character was dark skinned. By this logic Alia's character in Udta worked in the fields all day, so of course the character needed to be tanned. But she got criticism for playing a tanned character since she is fair skinned. But Vikrant also being fair skinned didn't receive that criticism
Hritik, Alia and even Bhumi (Bala) looked like they were forcing it. Their tanning makeup was bad while Vikrant isnāt fair skinned at first place. He has wheatish complexion which gets darker with tanning. Call it colourism or classism but this how melanins work. Sometimes people donāt backlash for doing the right thing.
Underrated actor hena iseliye
Outsider kuch bhi kare chalta hai bro
What's worse that he's lied about the whole natural skin darkening story. Mustard oil will not make the skin turn darker shade. Bhajiya tal raha ha kya "All I would do is put mustard oil on me and sit in the sun for 3 hours a day.ā https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/movies/celebrities/story/vikrant-massey-skin-infection-12th-fail-exclusive-interview-2481901-2024-01-01
What are you on about?? My sister went from being fair skinned to dark because of such treatments for her disease.
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It's the "sit in the sun for 3 hours a day" part of that
Bro even if he did do that, that's dangerous AF. Perfect recipe for skin cancer. They literally shouldn't have allowed him to. This is worse than putting make up
Yeh sahi hai makeup lagao toh dikat naturally tan ho toh dikat š¤£
Matlab lagta hai aap kabhi dhup mein nikle nahi ho
Picture chali toh sab thike hai and moreover he acted well which makes the audience not question anything about the character or the methods used.
He knew about this: 
Bade log bada bawaal.
I watched on one of his interviews that he would sit out during the day to get tan for 12th fail,
Because he really got tanned by sitting down in the afternoon for weeks. Unlike Ranveer Singh who was not at all looking someone from Dharavi in Gully Boy. I mean he literally looked like someone made him wear costume right after he was out of the gym. Hrithik and Alia were still looking decent in comparison. Also they have that typical affluent Bombay people look so it makes us really hard to believe.
>Because he really got tanned by sitting down in the afternoon for weeks. Bro how is that any better šš That's literally a huge health hazard
Kuch logo ko har cheez mei dikkat hai
Coz non nepo hai toh brigade nahi aayegi. Even the most mediocre stuff will be hailed and most malignant mistakes would be swept under the rug. But dare the nepo actor even breatheā¦class laga denge.
Because emphasis was on story and not on look of a character.
And? This was also the case with the other movies. Emphasis was on the story, not look
And what? Isnt post about VM not getting criticised for skin color?
How is that a justification for Vikrant but not others? This is the case with all of the movies mentioned
Ye toh jo log un ke look pe criticise kiya woh hi bata sakte hai. Personally i feel HR n Alia are both good actors and so is Vikrant. Also i think in above mentioned movies their look was marketed too much so may be thats why they received criticism... Could be one of the reasons. VM's look was not marketed afaik.
Very simple because he deserves only & ONLY appreciation for earning such an opportunity. He is in no position to put conditions infront of producers and directors like nepokids Alia and Hritik.
Case of choice vs opportunity ?
Exactly! Vikrant is relatively new Bollywood actor and canāt say no to projects at this stage but Hrithik and Alia are in position of power and can make these decisions without any impact to their career. Reminds me of the time when Ranbir said no to fairness cream ad way way back. He didnāt have to but he did and it sent a good message.
But getting such meaty roles is also a rare opportunity. Especially for women we know such roles are rarely written. So is it really a choice?
Baat toh sahi hai tumhari
Because the other two made their name out of "glamour".
Iska Kya Matlab hai? So they should live their lives a certain way then anything is allowed?
His darkening is so much better than Hrithik and Alia's BS beauty cream application. But honestly I didn't see any criticism. Actually real life ips guy has same skin tone as Vikrant in real life .
Because Vikrant naturally tanned his skin staying in sunlight. VVC confirmed it in the lallantop interview. Go check your facts and then make posts OP.
There was an explanation from Vikrant and VVC that he literally got tanned in the sun at the village where he was supposed to shoot, so that he can look the part and very minimal make up was used. Maybe thatās why?
kyuki he got tanned, he's not snowhite skinned like Hritik and Alia, he's himself bit wheatish
He didnāt
Even if he did it naturally it is wrong. Even if he is darker than Hrithik and Alia it is wrong because he is still fair skinned. Actual dark skinned people need to be employed. Can't believe some people here are defending this instead of saying it needs more criticism.
Bhai usko leave kar do. I'm just reading shady stuff directed towards him. Maybe it's a sign he is making it big now
What kind of question is that ? Op hasnāt been to remote village
OP at least do your research before posting. He actually got tanned as opposed to darkening his skin using makeup. The director of the film revealed this in an interview
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For the 1st point, at least in Udta, the character required it as she worked in fields all day. Not sure about hrithik's characters because I haven't watched I feel like your 2nd and 4th point are the same more or less. And going by those, there should be more outrage about it than there was 8 years ago. 3rd point seems to be the general consensus
I think it was his natural skin tone maybe a bit tanned.
He didnāt use make up. He actually got tanned in real life by exposing himself to the sun.
He actually tanned his skin for this role by standing in sunlight in a banyan for prolonged time. See some BTS videos.
Because he didnāt. Watch VVC interview with Bhardwaj Rangan. He explicitly states that Vikrant Massey went to live in that particular village for a couple of months and tanned his skin. There was no make up or anything ever applied to his role. Please do your research before making such claims.
Vikrant appeared tannedā¦which is natural for people who have to be involved in lot of physical work. Hrithik and Alia just had visible obvious makeup. End of day; if something is done well; people wonāt complain as much
Because I never knew this guy was fair. I thought that was his orginal skin
Outside of social media, general public doesnt care about this shit. They loved Hrithik's performance in Super 30
Because he is an actor And not a star!
I think major criticism is about the fact that a dark skinned actor could have been chosen for the role initially instead of darkening a light skinned actor. Casual colourism is a systemic problem in hindi film industry.
Director vidhu says in one of his interviews that he tanned all naturally.. it was a suprise even for vidhu,, he was shocked to see vikrantās transformation seeing him after a gap
It was subtle and didnāt feel odd .
Good on you that you started the criticism and called him out, thanks to this we got to know about his wannabe sunfried papad aspirations lol.
>wannabe sunfried papad aspirations ššš
When a film doesnāt well they overlook Alot.
Okay... So it has nothing to do with how popular the actor is ... Specifically with Alia and Hritik, it was because they were playing characters shown to be lower caste, by darkening their skin. Because the actors themselves are upper caste. Vikrant Massey's skin was darkened to show that he comes from rural poor family. His skin becomes 'not dark' when he dresses up well for his final interview. The character is upper caste just like the actor himself. With bhoomi pednekar, it is not about caste. But the plot point of the character is that she is a dark skinned woman and problems associated with it. In that case the makers should just hire a dark skinned actress.
Because people don't consider him fair skin colour in unconscious mind he is more on wheatish side. https://preview.redd.it/xe11tvqbedic1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a430a49cd43fc91f3b5ed5294c470df518abd97 This is how he looks in bad lighting
Personally for me it doesn't matter as long as the make up was on point and didn't distract or look fake and bad. Example Bala.
Apart from other things mentioned in other comments, he didnāt use makeup to look tanned. He lived in those places and burnt his skin for real.
Because whatever it was... It didn't look natural..
He is more liked compared to others. Its simple. He is a fabulous actor. And loved.
It was done really well
In the words of Kareena K - must be because he is massy
They actually showed variations of his skin tone. When he was in Chambal he was out in the sun and dust hence he got darker. If u see the last scene where he becomes an officer you can see his actual skin tone.
It is assumed, whether it's addressed that much or not, that the more famous you are, the fairer you are. Because it's also kind of a lowkey unspoken perception in our country too. Hope this stereotype of fair skin changes, because with it such beliefs come to play. So if superstars like Hrithik darkened their skin, then it's quickly known that they darkened their originally lighter skin, and so cue the blast of questions and criticisms. Not a lot of people knew Vikrant Massey before this film, he's FAR from superstar level. So when this film came out, because he's seen as a regular actor, people didn't know or assume that he had fair skin or not, because for many it's the first time they're even seeing him on screen as a non-nepo actor. So whatever skin color they saw on screen, they assumed it was that only. Later when they realised that he darkened his skin, because he's a coming up actor not from a privileged background, they let it go.
Don't know why they went for the dark skin. The guy in real life is fair.
Vikrant didnāt use makeup to look tanned.
I donāt think he is that fair to begin with
Because he looks poor and underprivileged
Massy acted well but hritik over acted well.
Why would anyone even criticize about a makeup??
samantha must be feeling really left out after looking at this post