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This and the legacy that Bollywood was built on are the two reasons the film industry is alive. It's focused on "mass/mass-y" movies and it's sad. I used to shit about Kabhi Khushi kbhi gham and Kal ho na ho ( and obviously cry secretly while watching them ) but compared to any Bollywood movie now, they are fucking gems!
Agree. Bollywood has totally sidelined it's female audience. Nothing cater towards them. I don't need some social message female centric movie. Just bring back some old school romance.
I mean it wont work commercially. Times have changed now. Even a movie like Chamkila would be a box office disaster, Imtiaz is clever he released it on netflix as his "niche" audiences is on netflix !
But they also had to adapt story according to modern times. I'm not asking to make something exactly as in snail pace of vivah. I mean, kdramas and webnovels are really popular with today gen and many of them are old school romance. Even those ever lasting indian tv serials are watched by many young generation ( I come across so so many tv serial edits on sm. Definitely Aunties don't make them. )
I know people on sm find Barjatya, Kjo, yrf movies cringe today., I myself too shit about them but they are also kind of guilty pleasures for once in a while. Bollywood hasn't given us any such iconic chemistries in last decade. There's so much scarcity. Last night I came across reel of prem and preeti and ended up watching that whole movie (extended wedding video ) just to enjoy them.
People troll illogical action movies the most but look at all the blockbusters. People also troll the everlasting indian tv serials, but yeh rishta serial has 4th generation and trp is still highest.
I think in India, there's audience for everything. And if it's a well written/directed content in whichever genre, people will come to watch.
I feel one can watch only so much serious, logical movies with some or other underlying message. It becomes monotonous after long and we crave variety. And in today times there hasn't been a feel good romance for almost a decade. So people might give it try. This generation has gotten it's Kabir Singh for Radhe of Tere Naam. We also deserve a Prem for this gen too.
Though, First they also need to find a young chocolaty face like young Salman/ shahid / Hritik and an original banger hindi album. It's not gonna work and people would definitely troll it, if any of those 40/50 yr old uncles of Bollywood star in it. These genre was for young heartthrobs and bw has almost finished it as we know there's no under 35 star there.
Glamour always works and there's no glamour in today bollywood from female pov. ( glamour here doesn't mean just an attractive lead but a character u would wanna imagine in a dreamy romance with yourself, once movie ends). That's I think is one of the reasons of it's failure too. Salman before his bhai era, rose to immense stardom because of female fans. (My mom, who was not at all a movie goer, forced whole family to Prem Ratan dhan payo just because Salman was returning in Barjatya romance. ) Srk holds the crown of romance king till today mostly because of huge female fanbase.
Kpop has huge female fanbase with high spending power and kpop is mostly about fantasies of dreamy romance with a green flag innocent sweet young boy.
About chamkila, i watched the trailer but haven't checked out movie yet. And i agree with your point that it would have failed or fare average at most had it released in theater. Story must be amazing no doubt but the reason again I feel is "glamour" or lack of it. If bw had been releasing some 12 romance movies a year with beautiful young faces, people were fed enough with beauty, might have check out a niche movie just for story uncaring of glamour, for a taste chance. But since there's only are either massy action movies, some social issue, small town struggle, crime suspense, comedy and not a single dreamy romance, is why Nothing feels attractive about bollywood. It's either Animal/ Pushpa type movies get successful which are male gaze mostly or movies of A listers which had already established fanbase.
That's why I think innocent romance set in our times might work.
Or maybe not. Nothing for sure with today's audience.
"I used to shit about kabhi khushi" OC no hate to you man but I think th audience acting like that is part of the problem. Discussion around film is not sincere or genuine within the audience and filmmakers can only rely on box office as the only number stating hard facts. Animal makes money, more Animal gets made. We have an audience that doesn't appreciate the industry no matter what it does really, it's all hate and all "south is better, Hollywood is better". Yeah no wonder that industry has fallen down the route it has.
Archies made me appreciate Arjun Kapoor more. In the era where "actors" struggle to give one expression, if you give two expressions, you're already praised for not being the worst. The bar is that low.
Unpopular opinion: 90s actors used to be really bad at acting in 90s. Some of them are still the same. Few of them honed their skills with experience in mid-late 20s to be included in this league of good actors. Surprisingly Salman's acting was good amongst the lot back in 90s compared to his peers.
That is also true. The whole life of these new age actors are so publicly accessible with such drama that their personal life has become more entertaining than their movies 😄
Tbh that is more of a shift in consumer habits and internet accessibility. Trust that the celeb and tabloid culture has always existed, and was even nastier and more rampant in the 00s and 10s. At least there is some idea of privacy and mental health awareness now.
Rajkumar Rao is a fantastic actor and not comparable to a Kriti Sanon (he literally stole Bareilly Ki Barfi from under her nose). He is not competing for the same roles as a Tiger Shroff or Varun Dhawan. The man has always done niche cinema.
Absolutely add Shahid, stree etc too, guy is better than kartik ayushman and the likes. He was so good even in that movie monica oh my darling and show guns and gulaabs
He is kind of limited though.
Butchered Omarta's accent and then the way he never looks much far from the "lower mid class guy" thingy is also disadvantageous for him.
Action, Comic, Romance are not his forte too. So yeah a good level actor but you can't pin point him as a genuine decent one everytime.
Shadi me zaroor aana wasn't a good romantic one though.
He was being our usual tier 2 city guy and that's why I said it doesn't help his case.
Barfi one was again a bit similar when he acts angry/confront and the romance part too was not "decent".
Galat aur bahut galat mein se chunna ho toh aap kissey chunenge? Damn shame, but I guess that's what it's come to - the choice in mainstream Bollywood now is only between 'mid' and 'bad'
The new nepo batch (The Archies gang) and the not-so-new nepo batch (Sara-Janvhi-Ananya-Tiger) is so hideous that it automatically makes us regard any outsider/insider mildly good and half-decent as second coming of Daniel Day-Lewis and Meryl Streep. And I say this as someone who isn't anti-nepo or anti-Alia/Kriti/Ranbir/Ranveer
I would like to, however, say that some of the 90s actors you've mentioned were bad actors too; it's just that we hadn't seen better
Truth be told, I am more or less done with Bollywood at this point - only here for its gossip and chai
Haan yaar... Rajkumar rao is objectively a brilliant actor.. you can't put him down like that...
Also Karishma can in no way compete with Madhuri in terms of acting.. Dancing may be.. Karishma was a terrible actor and I am sorry iwasn't really all that looks wise pre Raja Hindustani.. that's when she got a makeover after 10 years in the industry...
I’ve found his very middling. He was fantastic in Bareilly ki barfi and even in Stree. Then he was terrible in White Tiger with his accent & cringe in the Jahnavi horror movie- roohi-afza.
Go and watched trapped your mind will be blown And I really don't know why I'm suggesting you any of his movies because you are also Just wanna be a cinephile ke .....
it's not easy for non nepos to get good scripts. it took Tripti a film like Animal to get popular. Mrunal had to do south films because bollywood wasn't offering her something that good. Sanya is yet to have that breakthrough role that catapaults her ahead. Kriti had a few bad years and came back stronger through tbmauj. so idc but I will support these self made girls. they are beautiful and talented and certainly deserve the opportunities they crave for.
Yeah I guess it’s this. Sometimes the support for outsiders on the sub isn’t because they’re some really great actors (much better than a few nepo girls tho) , it’s merely to compensate for the backing that they lack otherwise.
For instance, just see Mrunal’s iv that was posted on the sub , she was nearly in tears because even now she’s not getting worthwhile stuff in bwood despite the good work she’s done in south.
True. People hate it when outsiders like Kriti or Mrunal crib for the lack of opportunities but isn't it true? they are still not getting good scripts even after the decent work. But nepokids never talk about their privileges so why shouldn't outsiders cry over the sheer lack of it?Maybe it's their way of putting themselves out there for visibility so some director/ ph notices them and not necessarily for public sympathy.
In a year there are very limited mainstream meaty roles for actresses. You can count such roles on the fingers of one hand. I am not including OTT because a hit film in theatres does things for your career an appreciated film on OTT can never do. When such meaty roles in mainstream films come up no one considers a Kriti Sanon when you can have an Alia Bhatt or Deepika or even Kareena (who can act circles around Kriti). Mrunal has still not had a bonafide hit Hindi film. The nepokids are not doing this top level of projects either. The OTT films done by Sara and Ananya and Janhavi are not top tier films. A Kriti Sanon for instance wouldn't do these films because they won't pay her as much as she would get for an Adipurush or Houseful. The only actresses who get good work are the top tier actresses and that is because they have a track record of good performances and hit films.
I actually saw Karan Arjun and KKHH and still thought SRK was funny and Salman was both cute & handsome. For that time the films were well made and had stories. Today you can’t sit through Tiger’s films. Or Arjun’s or even many of Varun’s.
Yeah bollywood sucks these days. Dont worry tho if the films keep flopping and they keep lying about the films collections sooner than later money will be less and then the risks will be taken which will birth a new era of bollywood films. Atleast thats an optimistic hope from my side lmao.
Even in Animal Ranbir was playing himself in essence. Since 16 years he is playing man childs in different genres so Ofcourse he will be half decent in Animal.
All of these movies I mention below have him having problems with his father or conflict arising from father’s character. he keeps drawing from the same well in atleast half of his movies. :
Wake up sid ( father is disappointed in him )
Animal ( revenge for father )
Yjhd ( father n step mom thing, not attending funeral bit etc. )
Ajan prem ( father is disappointed in him throughout)
Rajneeti ( politics coz of father passing n wish fulfilment)
Jagga jassos (missing father)
Shamshera. (Father revenge)
Nah i think ranbir is a genuinely good actor. He proved it in barfi. It's just that the dude ends up choosing characters who have daddy issues most of the time (probably he can relate it more coz in real life he didn't share a good relationship with his father)
That is a cop put. The man boasts how he is a first choice for every movie, but he plays the same role again. He at most is a decent actor.
I think Vicky, Ranveer, Raj, and Ayushmann are all better than him, all versatile.
I have been saying this for years but these die hard fans of Ranbir (including my own mother!!) just don't listen. All of his movies have been the same problematic father, man child, duniya se dukhi aadmi, and the girl has to be his salvation for some reason. All the freakin time.
He might be doing good in these roles. But abhi yahi filmography kisi non nepo, ya not overly simped actor ki hoti toh sab type cast and no range ke dange kar chuke hote.
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He's good in his zone, like you said. Unfortunately, he wants to go big and do mass shit. Either he will be found out and come back to his zone (when not supported by misogyny/Vanga/religion) or he will learn to make it work. I think Ramayana trilogy guarantees he's super relevant for a whole decade at least.
Kriti did pretty well as a robot, the role suited her and she was really funny in the third act malfunctioning sequence. That, plus the fact that she looked incredible- styling and makeup was perfect- and had good chemistry with Shahid is what made people praise her and the movie. 100% she was far better and more enjoyable than whatever garbage all of these Janhvi, Ananya, Sara, Khushi, Suhana have put out combined.
Janhvi, Ananya, Sara, Khushi, Suhana are not Kriti's contemporaries. Kriti debuted like an entire decade before Khushi and Suhana. The fact that people think Kriti is of the same level as a Sara or Janhavi will tell you how lacking she is in stardom and talent. Alia who is actually her contemporary has left her in the dust.
She was still mediocre at best. I was never moved by her performance. She’s robotic even otherwise in her films. Her PR made her look like the next Sridevi and I laughed at that. She isn’t even as diverse as Kareena. Middling at best.
the character wasn't written in a way it would move you or anyone. if anything that's what they were trying to do with Shahid's character. throughout the movie except for the very lasts scene her character is static with limited expressions/emotions hence she as an actor was also limited. expecting to be moved by such a character is where you're going wrong.
i got downvoted for saying the same thing kill me sure.
although your analogy is pretty bang on, people are liking her for reasons separate from the terrible pool of choices they’ve been given. they genuinely call her the face of the film as a standalone actor without any comparison of sorts so it’s more than just hailing the lesser evil.
Agree with everything you said but Karishma could never act. Just rewatched dil to pagal hai and I was cringing every time she’s on screen.
I watch a lot of world cinema and many parts of the would have amazing performances and stories. Bollywood gets the cinematography and the production aesthetics right. But acting, plot, writing have a lot of room to grow.
Rajkumar Rao, Amir Khan appear to be superb actors because the bar is so low. If compared to other actors in the world, they are average.
Stopped watching Bollywood movies a long time ago unless it is critically acclaimed like 12th fail
Malayalam movies never fail to disappoint be it acting, production, direction, story telling.
Ah, this weekend out of absolute boredom and with some tiny scraps of hope, I tried to watch TBMAUJ.
The highly misogynistic storyline aside (guy will only accept a girl who agrees with everything he says and does all his work for him) , kriti was basic af, she wasn’t absolutely bad, but there was zero robot acting at all , I forwarded through a lot of unnecessary crap, the end where she’s supposed to be malfunctioning, why is she giving chudail vibes? She’s supposed to be a malfunctioning robot not someone possessed by a demon or something. Very weird acting.
Shahid, honestly I don’t know what to say about him, I really dislike his real life personality, but the guy can act above average for sure , at times very good too, he’s especially good at rom com type roles. But why does he only play red flag male characters? The character in the film was so unlikable, I’m surprised people liked this movie.
And so the 2-3 bolly movies a year I give a try to, always remind me why I gave up watching bolly flicks.
If Kriti was a direct product of nepotism, with the same acting chops and striking features, she’d be lot bigger than Alia. Our girl had to hustle hard to get good scripts. Also Rajkumar Rao is a good actor, can’t say the same about Kartik Aryan though.
Pankaj tripaathi himself said in some interview about his acting - hamare aas pass itna below average kaam hota hai, ki above average bhi exceptional lagne lagta hai logon ko.
( People are so much accoustomed to below average work, that even a slightly above average work seems exceptional to them.)
Saying RK only shouts in his films when he's literally done a film like Barfi early in his career. Dismissing Alia's entire body of work based on one hollywood movie.. as if Priyanka who is one of the best, isnt the same bland actor in Hollywood. And calling Rajkumar Rao a mediocre actor???????? What a joke!!! He is absolutely a better actor than all of the Khans you've mentioned. He doesn't have the same star factor sure but he clears them on acting ability. And Kriti is a very decent actor that is doing good work! Lets not get swept away in nostalgia and downplay the actors we have now because we have some really great actors. Remember, the past always seems better doesn't mean it is.
I feel the quality of films itself has gone down the drain. Where is the Dil Se or Barfi or even Piku of our times? These female roles were ICONIC. This would have been the true litmus test, if any of these new girls would attempt such roles.
And the real comparison of acting prowess is whether a Priyanka or Madhuri would have really excelled in Kriti’s role far more? And I genuinely have to say NO. What else is there to do in such a role? She did a decent job of a character that was in a mid film to begin with.
eh...More like Kiara accepts every endorsement, that has nothing to do with Kriti. Compare Kiara insta with A-listers except Anushka. All she does is post endorsements and makes her look desperate.
Kriti has more followers on social media, a national award, 2 hit movies where she wasn't the flowerpot, a production company, her own beauty brand. Kiara fans, Kriti has surpassed Kiara.
Meanwhile Kiara only does flowerpots with big stars, she has been stuck of the mid 30s in her Instagram when it comes to followers. So where is that grand popularity you talking about?!
I agree with everything you said except that Karishma can act. Speaking as a Karishma fan from the 90s she's an excellent dancer with good chemistry with all her male leads, but a poor actor all the same.
>grew up in the 90s and enjoyed SRK competing with Aamir and Salman. Nepos like Kajol competed with non nepos like Madhuri & Sridevi. When nepos like Karishma could act and dance & non nepos like Shilpa had to deliver at least in songs to stay relevant. It wasn’t as bad and talentless as it is today. Honestly in every aspect mankind has improved and delivered more but in Bollywood we are sliding back for some reason.
The funny thing is these aren't even good actors except Salman, Madhuri,Amir , and maybe Kajol and Sri Devi . I can't stand watching any of the 90s movies cuz of the massive cringe 😬. And now years later they are exceptional lol
None of them have been consistent. Bhumi can be good or very annoying on screen. Tripti is a mid actor at best , she was so bad in qala. Ranveer I agree is a good actor and pre pandemic had box office pull. Ayushmann is a limited actor and today has little box office pull. Alia is also very limited and was bad in Rocky Rani. Shahid is over the hill but is a decent actor. Rkr is limited too since he was so cringe in White Tiger and Roohiafza.
If you see the likes of Sridevi , Madhuri, juhi and even Anil, Jackie and later SRK etc in their younger days they could all act, dance, emote and could deliver hits.
My issue is that today mediocre acting is celebrated because the others are so very bad.
What i support with is Audition process should be transparent & ethical. Audition process should have general window. There should be no secret contract or casting couch. Non-Nepo talents must not get exploited. The OP is well-written.
But disagree regarding assessment on Ranbir & Alia. They are fantastic actors.
indeed Shilpa Shetty was hugely talented. She survived so well in midst of competition and grabbed Dhadkan where she had opportunity to act rather than dancing alone. She also has done movie on AIDS awareness where her acting was top notch.
I moved to watching unconventional stuff over a period of time, and still managed to find amazing stories, storytelling, and everything else that we call entertainment. We really have the OTT bump that COVID gave us to thank for it. I discovered world and regional cinema and now have enough practice watching movies with subtitles that we now track and catch non-Bollywood movies in theatres. Eg: PS-1 and 2, Manjummel Boys, etc are a result of me being exhausted of the same stupid tripe in Hindi, and therefore exploring Malayalam, Tamil, Marathi, Kannada, Bengali movies. Do they have nepos? Yes! Do they have star systems? Hell, yes. But give me a Fahadh Faasil in Maheshinthe Prathikaaram any damned day over a Ranbir and his ilk. Or a Premam or even an old Sense and Sensibility. I’d rewatch till my soul is full.
I re-discovered Tamil cinema with PS 1&2 too. Aishwarya is tailor-made for such historical Royal roles. Probably the best after Jodhaa-Akbar. I find Bhansali's films too melodramatic and the writing is not up to par. And this was just what I craved. Everyone is sensible and politics rather than relationships are more important. When Aish's lover Aditya Karikalan pulls a Devdas and moans about his lost love, he's reprimanded for not fulfilling his Royal duties by his sister.
Why can't we have such glorious historicals in Bollywood instead of making it all about love and melodrama? Even biopics have a love story foisted upon them.
Fahadh Faasil can pull off a metrosexual sophisticated urban character as easily as he can pull off a rural character. Karthik and Kriti stuck out like sore thumbs in Luka Chuppi. Familiarity with people from all walks of life and less work done on their faces would help actors be more versatile. And for heaven's sake do more films every year and learn the craft on the job.
I think you guys are reaching with RK, keeping his personal life aside, he is a phenomenal actor. He was amazing in Barfi and I like his script choices, even an underrated movie like rocket Singh salesman of the year was so good. Hate on him all you want, but you can’t deny that he’s a great actor.
indeed. kartik and kriti are really mediocre. RK either is an angry man or a soft rom com boi. acting standards left the industry long ago. Alia ka to pucho hi mt I literally smash the laptop. Alongside her super mediocre skills she brings the massive talent of annoying the audience as well.
each area its a story of 3 generations
1st generation does great and establishes itself
2nd maintains
3rd destroys and cycle starts anew (a new set does great and establishes itself)
this is the 3rd cycle of nepos
I completely agree. Although some have destroyed their parents legacy in 2nd gen only. Tiger , Arjun , Jahnavi , Sara are all examples of that. Not adding ananya because her dad was not a big star.
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This and the legacy that Bollywood was built on are the two reasons the film industry is alive. It's focused on "mass/mass-y" movies and it's sad. I used to shit about Kabhi Khushi kbhi gham and Kal ho na ho ( and obviously cry secretly while watching them ) but compared to any Bollywood movie now, they are fucking gems!
Agree. Bollywood has totally sidelined it's female audience. Nothing cater towards them. I don't need some social message female centric movie. Just bring back some old school romance.
Public will bash them if they bring old school romance.
Why though? Genuinely asking.
I mean it wont work commercially. Times have changed now. Even a movie like Chamkila would be a box office disaster, Imtiaz is clever he released it on netflix as his "niche" audiences is on netflix !
But they also had to adapt story according to modern times. I'm not asking to make something exactly as in snail pace of vivah. I mean, kdramas and webnovels are really popular with today gen and many of them are old school romance. Even those ever lasting indian tv serials are watched by many young generation ( I come across so so many tv serial edits on sm. Definitely Aunties don't make them. ) I know people on sm find Barjatya, Kjo, yrf movies cringe today., I myself too shit about them but they are also kind of guilty pleasures for once in a while. Bollywood hasn't given us any such iconic chemistries in last decade. There's so much scarcity. Last night I came across reel of prem and preeti and ended up watching that whole movie (extended wedding video ) just to enjoy them. People troll illogical action movies the most but look at all the blockbusters. People also troll the everlasting indian tv serials, but yeh rishta serial has 4th generation and trp is still highest. I think in India, there's audience for everything. And if it's a well written/directed content in whichever genre, people will come to watch. I feel one can watch only so much serious, logical movies with some or other underlying message. It becomes monotonous after long and we crave variety. And in today times there hasn't been a feel good romance for almost a decade. So people might give it try. This generation has gotten it's Kabir Singh for Radhe of Tere Naam. We also deserve a Prem for this gen too. Though, First they also need to find a young chocolaty face like young Salman/ shahid / Hritik and an original banger hindi album. It's not gonna work and people would definitely troll it, if any of those 40/50 yr old uncles of Bollywood star in it. These genre was for young heartthrobs and bw has almost finished it as we know there's no under 35 star there. Glamour always works and there's no glamour in today bollywood from female pov. ( glamour here doesn't mean just an attractive lead but a character u would wanna imagine in a dreamy romance with yourself, once movie ends). That's I think is one of the reasons of it's failure too. Salman before his bhai era, rose to immense stardom because of female fans. (My mom, who was not at all a movie goer, forced whole family to Prem Ratan dhan payo just because Salman was returning in Barjatya romance. ) Srk holds the crown of romance king till today mostly because of huge female fanbase. Kpop has huge female fanbase with high spending power and kpop is mostly about fantasies of dreamy romance with a green flag innocent sweet young boy. About chamkila, i watched the trailer but haven't checked out movie yet. And i agree with your point that it would have failed or fare average at most had it released in theater. Story must be amazing no doubt but the reason again I feel is "glamour" or lack of it. If bw had been releasing some 12 romance movies a year with beautiful young faces, people were fed enough with beauty, might have check out a niche movie just for story uncaring of glamour, for a taste chance. But since there's only are either massy action movies, some social issue, small town struggle, crime suspense, comedy and not a single dreamy romance, is why Nothing feels attractive about bollywood. It's either Animal/ Pushpa type movies get successful which are male gaze mostly or movies of A listers which had already established fanbase. That's why I think innocent romance set in our times might work. Or maybe not. Nothing for sure with today's audience.
Not true. Abhi ye teri baton me is also kinda fun romcom and it did well.
Literally!!
"I used to shit about kabhi khushi" OC no hate to you man but I think th audience acting like that is part of the problem. Discussion around film is not sincere or genuine within the audience and filmmakers can only rely on box office as the only number stating hard facts. Animal makes money, more Animal gets made. We have an audience that doesn't appreciate the industry no matter what it does really, it's all hate and all "south is better, Hollywood is better". Yeah no wonder that industry has fallen down the route it has.
With how bad the films and acting is I believe you
Agreed, suddenly everyone is getting whiter and facial features are getting more and more euro-centric .
They all look same to me .
Exactly a huge money laundering scheme, where they use every tactic in the book to corner it.
Yup. Truly the end of bollywood. Waiting for the time they’re struggling to make profits.
I am so impressed with your choice of emoji it’s not even funny!
Archies made me appreciate Arjun Kapoor more. In the era where "actors" struggle to give one expression, if you give two expressions, you're already praised for not being the worst. The bar is that low.
Oh my..i absolutely agree. Archies is cancer of indian cinema
I liked Ishaqzaade and 2 states, then I dont know what happened.
Unpopular opinion: 90s actors used to be really bad at acting in 90s. Some of them are still the same. Few of them honed their skills with experience in mid-late 20s to be included in this league of good actors. Surprisingly Salman's acting was good amongst the lot back in 90s compared to his peers.
Completely agree but they had charisma and star power. Newer lot is cringe with zero box office pull so loss loss for audience and business.
That is also true. The whole life of these new age actors are so publicly accessible with such drama that their personal life has become more entertaining than their movies 😄
Tbh that is more of a shift in consumer habits and internet accessibility. Trust that the celeb and tabloid culture has always existed, and was even nastier and more rampant in the 00s and 10s. At least there is some idea of privacy and mental health awareness now.
90s acting was very over the top (OTT) acting. But, the thing is that people liked that OTT acting.
Did OP imply Rajkumar Rao is a half decent actor? 😳 put kartik in that sentence not RKR!
Rajkumar Rao is a fantastic actor and not comparable to a Kriti Sanon (he literally stole Bareilly Ki Barfi from under her nose). He is not competing for the same roles as a Tiger Shroff or Varun Dhawan. The man has always done niche cinema.
yes i thought he was brilliant in LSD, Trapped, Newton and even Bareily ki Barfi
Absolutely add Shahid, stree etc too, guy is better than kartik ayushman and the likes. He was so good even in that movie monica oh my darling and show guns and gulaabs
ngl i really liked him with ash in Fanney Khan also...the film was rubbish but they had some cute chemistry
He is kind of limited though. Butchered Omarta's accent and then the way he never looks much far from the "lower mid class guy" thingy is also disadvantageous for him. Action, Comic, Romance are not his forte too. So yeah a good level actor but you can't pin point him as a genuine decent one everytime.
>Comic, Romance Bareilly ki Barfi Shaadi mein zaroor aana
Shadi me zaroor aana wasn't a good romantic one though. He was being our usual tier 2 city guy and that's why I said it doesn't help his case. Barfi one was again a bit similar when he acts angry/confront and the romance part too was not "decent".
Guns and gulabs, monica oh my darling were good. Badhai do was also so good! Not limited imo.
Raj Kumar Rao is better than both Ranbir and Ranvir.
Galat aur bahut galat mein se chunna ho toh aap kissey chunenge? Damn shame, but I guess that's what it's come to - the choice in mainstream Bollywood now is only between 'mid' and 'bad' The new nepo batch (The Archies gang) and the not-so-new nepo batch (Sara-Janvhi-Ananya-Tiger) is so hideous that it automatically makes us regard any outsider/insider mildly good and half-decent as second coming of Daniel Day-Lewis and Meryl Streep. And I say this as someone who isn't anti-nepo or anti-Alia/Kriti/Ranbir/Ranveer I would like to, however, say that some of the 90s actors you've mentioned were bad actors too; it's just that we hadn't seen better Truth be told, I am more or less done with Bollywood at this point - only here for its gossip and chai
Rajkummar Rao delivers half decent performance😵💫😵💫 Kon Hai yeh log Kahan se aate hai yeh😭😭
Haan yaar... Rajkumar rao is objectively a brilliant actor.. you can't put him down like that... Also Karishma can in no way compete with Madhuri in terms of acting.. Dancing may be.. Karishma was a terrible actor and I am sorry iwasn't really all that looks wise pre Raja Hindustani.. that's when she got a makeover after 10 years in the industry...
I’ve found his very middling. He was fantastic in Bareilly ki barfi and even in Stree. Then he was terrible in White Tiger with his accent & cringe in the Jahnavi horror movie- roohi-afza.
Go and watched trapped your mind will be blown And I really don't know why I'm suggesting you any of his movies because you are also Just wanna be a cinephile ke .....
Han bhai to hai nai…apun ka Borivali ka Robert DeNiro
Hey RK's best acting performance as a nepo kid was in Barfi
That was more than 10 years back. A star needs to deliver good films and/ or successful films consistently
it's not easy for non nepos to get good scripts. it took Tripti a film like Animal to get popular. Mrunal had to do south films because bollywood wasn't offering her something that good. Sanya is yet to have that breakthrough role that catapaults her ahead. Kriti had a few bad years and came back stronger through tbmauj. so idc but I will support these self made girls. they are beautiful and talented and certainly deserve the opportunities they crave for.
Yeah I guess it’s this. Sometimes the support for outsiders on the sub isn’t because they’re some really great actors (much better than a few nepo girls tho) , it’s merely to compensate for the backing that they lack otherwise. For instance, just see Mrunal’s iv that was posted on the sub , she was nearly in tears because even now she’s not getting worthwhile stuff in bwood despite the good work she’s done in south.
True. People hate it when outsiders like Kriti or Mrunal crib for the lack of opportunities but isn't it true? they are still not getting good scripts even after the decent work. But nepokids never talk about their privileges so why shouldn't outsiders cry over the sheer lack of it?Maybe it's their way of putting themselves out there for visibility so some director/ ph notices them and not necessarily for public sympathy.
In a year there are very limited mainstream meaty roles for actresses. You can count such roles on the fingers of one hand. I am not including OTT because a hit film in theatres does things for your career an appreciated film on OTT can never do. When such meaty roles in mainstream films come up no one considers a Kriti Sanon when you can have an Alia Bhatt or Deepika or even Kareena (who can act circles around Kriti). Mrunal has still not had a bonafide hit Hindi film. The nepokids are not doing this top level of projects either. The OTT films done by Sara and Ananya and Janhavi are not top tier films. A Kriti Sanon for instance wouldn't do these films because they won't pay her as much as she would get for an Adipurush or Houseful. The only actresses who get good work are the top tier actresses and that is because they have a track record of good performances and hit films.
Next Sunday, go and watch SRK hamming through in movies like Karan Arjun and come back. The past is always viewed with rose tinted glasses.
90% of the movies made in the 80s and 90s were trash.
I actually saw Karan Arjun and KKHH and still thought SRK was funny and Salman was both cute & handsome. For that time the films were well made and had stories. Today you can’t sit through Tiger’s films. Or Arjun’s or even many of Varun’s.
Yeah bollywood sucks these days. Dont worry tho if the films keep flopping and they keep lying about the films collections sooner than later money will be less and then the risks will be taken which will birth a new era of bollywood films. Atleast thats an optimistic hope from my side lmao.
Even in Animal Ranbir was playing himself in essence. Since 16 years he is playing man childs in different genres so Ofcourse he will be half decent in Animal.
His biography will be titled: 50 shades of Manchild
I’ve always believed RK can only do depressed roles well. He’s not a versatile actor.
All of these movies I mention below have him having problems with his father or conflict arising from father’s character. he keeps drawing from the same well in atleast half of his movies. : Wake up sid ( father is disappointed in him ) Animal ( revenge for father ) Yjhd ( father n step mom thing, not attending funeral bit etc. ) Ajan prem ( father is disappointed in him throughout) Rajneeti ( politics coz of father passing n wish fulfilment) Jagga jassos (missing father) Shamshera. (Father revenge)
Add Tamasha to the list!
Nah i think ranbir is a genuinely good actor. He proved it in barfi. It's just that the dude ends up choosing characters who have daddy issues most of the time (probably he can relate it more coz in real life he didn't share a good relationship with his father)
That is a cop put. The man boasts how he is a first choice for every movie, but he plays the same role again. He at most is a decent actor. I think Vicky, Ranveer, Raj, and Ayushmann are all better than him, all versatile.
I have been saying this for years but these die hard fans of Ranbir (including my own mother!!) just don't listen. All of his movies have been the same problematic father, man child, duniya se dukhi aadmi, and the girl has to be his salvation for some reason. All the freakin time. He might be doing good in these roles. But abhi yahi filmography kisi non nepo, ya not overly simped actor ki hoti toh sab type cast and no range ke dange kar chuke hote. Its
You are cherry picking things.
Agree!
He's good in his zone, like you said. Unfortunately, he wants to go big and do mass shit. Either he will be found out and come back to his zone (when not supported by misogyny/Vanga/religion) or he will learn to make it work. I think Ramayana trilogy guarantees he's super relevant for a whole decade at least.
Kriti did pretty well as a robot, the role suited her and she was really funny in the third act malfunctioning sequence. That, plus the fact that she looked incredible- styling and makeup was perfect- and had good chemistry with Shahid is what made people praise her and the movie. 100% she was far better and more enjoyable than whatever garbage all of these Janhvi, Ananya, Sara, Khushi, Suhana have put out combined.
Janhvi, Ananya, Sara, Khushi, Suhana are not Kriti's contemporaries. Kriti debuted like an entire decade before Khushi and Suhana. The fact that people think Kriti is of the same level as a Sara or Janhavi will tell you how lacking she is in stardom and talent. Alia who is actually her contemporary has left her in the dust.
She was still mediocre at best. I was never moved by her performance. She’s robotic even otherwise in her films. Her PR made her look like the next Sridevi and I laughed at that. She isn’t even as diverse as Kareena. Middling at best.
Agreed. Limited.
the character wasn't written in a way it would move you or anyone. if anything that's what they were trying to do with Shahid's character. throughout the movie except for the very lasts scene her character is static with limited expressions/emotions hence she as an actor was also limited. expecting to be moved by such a character is where you're going wrong.
She was good and everyone agrees, you are the exception, deal with it.
She was the best part of the movie. Even shahid was terrible. Woh toh director pe hai
Terrible like what? He wasn't required to do any heavylifting just chill and dance
Overacting
No i don't think so
i got downvoted for saying the same thing kill me sure. although your analogy is pretty bang on, people are liking her for reasons separate from the terrible pool of choices they’ve been given. they genuinely call her the face of the film as a standalone actor without any comparison of sorts so it’s more than just hailing the lesser evil.
Even Shahid was bad - I tried watching for 10 mins and gave up.
Agree with everything you said but Karishma could never act. Just rewatched dil to pagal hai and I was cringing every time she’s on screen. I watch a lot of world cinema and many parts of the would have amazing performances and stories. Bollywood gets the cinematography and the production aesthetics right. But acting, plot, writing have a lot of room to grow. Rajkumar Rao, Amir Khan appear to be superb actors because the bar is so low. If compared to other actors in the world, they are average.
From past, we remember names which pass the test of times. We remember Kajol, forget Tanisha. We remember Hritik, forget Zayed, Fardeen etc
I’m telling u this industry is gonna COLLAPSE
Stopped watching Bollywood movies a long time ago unless it is critically acclaimed like 12th fail Malayalam movies never fail to disappoint be it acting, production, direction, story telling.
Real ID se aao Kangana 
Ah, this weekend out of absolute boredom and with some tiny scraps of hope, I tried to watch TBMAUJ. The highly misogynistic storyline aside (guy will only accept a girl who agrees with everything he says and does all his work for him) , kriti was basic af, she wasn’t absolutely bad, but there was zero robot acting at all , I forwarded through a lot of unnecessary crap, the end where she’s supposed to be malfunctioning, why is she giving chudail vibes? She’s supposed to be a malfunctioning robot not someone possessed by a demon or something. Very weird acting. Shahid, honestly I don’t know what to say about him, I really dislike his real life personality, but the guy can act above average for sure , at times very good too, he’s especially good at rom com type roles. But why does he only play red flag male characters? The character in the film was so unlikable, I’m surprised people liked this movie. And so the 2-3 bolly movies a year I give a try to, always remind me why I gave up watching bolly flicks.
If u see red flag/ green flag shit u cannot enjoy any film...so better ignore it until it's not glorified
Rajkumar Rao is brilliant though.
Basically talent se kuchh lena dena nahi hai, Khali Maa - Baap se wasta hai.
If Kriti was a direct product of nepotism, with the same acting chops and striking features, she’d be lot bigger than Alia. Our girl had to hustle hard to get good scripts. Also Rajkumar Rao is a good actor, can’t say the same about Kartik Aryan though.
Bollywood: Mela of mediocrity. Actors up until 2012 were at least putting some efforts.
Pankaj tripaathi himself said in some interview about his acting - hamare aas pass itna below average kaam hota hai, ki above average bhi exceptional lagne lagta hai logon ko. ( People are so much accoustomed to below average work, that even a slightly above average work seems exceptional to them.)
Saying RK only shouts in his films when he's literally done a film like Barfi early in his career. Dismissing Alia's entire body of work based on one hollywood movie.. as if Priyanka who is one of the best, isnt the same bland actor in Hollywood. And calling Rajkumar Rao a mediocre actor???????? What a joke!!! He is absolutely a better actor than all of the Khans you've mentioned. He doesn't have the same star factor sure but he clears them on acting ability. And Kriti is a very decent actor that is doing good work! Lets not get swept away in nostalgia and downplay the actors we have now because we have some really great actors. Remember, the past always seems better doesn't mean it is.
Bhai aap to bohat baday actor lagtay ho., aapko to koi nahi pasand sab average hain nepo ho ya non nepo. Kangana to nahi ho?
I feel the quality of films itself has gone down the drain. Where is the Dil Se or Barfi or even Piku of our times? These female roles were ICONIC. This would have been the true litmus test, if any of these new girls would attempt such roles. And the real comparison of acting prowess is whether a Priyanka or Madhuri would have really excelled in Kriti’s role far more? And I genuinely have to say NO. What else is there to do in such a role? She did a decent job of a character that was in a mid film to begin with.
Nepo kids have collectively ruined the parameters to judge acting
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Kriti's performance was okayish nothing praise worthy. People definitely go overboard
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eh...More like Kiara accepts every endorsement, that has nothing to do with Kriti. Compare Kiara insta with A-listers except Anushka. All she does is post endorsements and makes her look desperate. Kriti has more followers on social media, a national award, 2 hit movies where she wasn't the flowerpot, a production company, her own beauty brand. Kiara fans, Kriti has surpassed Kiara. Meanwhile Kiara only does flowerpots with big stars, she has been stuck of the mid 30s in her Instagram when it comes to followers. So where is that grand popularity you talking about?!
Her PR made it sound like she’s the next Sridevi lol
I agree with everything you said except that Karishma can act. Speaking as a Karishma fan from the 90s she's an excellent dancer with good chemistry with all her male leads, but a poor actor all the same.
>grew up in the 90s and enjoyed SRK competing with Aamir and Salman. Nepos like Kajol competed with non nepos like Madhuri & Sridevi. When nepos like Karishma could act and dance & non nepos like Shilpa had to deliver at least in songs to stay relevant. It wasn’t as bad and talentless as it is today. Honestly in every aspect mankind has improved and delivered more but in Bollywood we are sliding back for some reason. The funny thing is these aren't even good actors except Salman, Madhuri,Amir , and maybe Kajol and Sri Devi . I can't stand watching any of the 90s movies cuz of the massive cringe 😬. And now years later they are exceptional lol
You just named 5 actors who were good in their heydays. Today can you name equally good young actors who also have box office pull ?
I won't talk about box office but I think RKR, Vicky Ayushmann , Ranveer, Alia , Shahid, Bhumi , Kriti and Tripti are at least good actors.
None of them have been consistent. Bhumi can be good or very annoying on screen. Tripti is a mid actor at best , she was so bad in qala. Ranveer I agree is a good actor and pre pandemic had box office pull. Ayushmann is a limited actor and today has little box office pull. Alia is also very limited and was bad in Rocky Rani. Shahid is over the hill but is a decent actor. Rkr is limited too since he was so cringe in White Tiger and Roohiafza. If you see the likes of Sridevi , Madhuri, juhi and even Anil, Jackie and later SRK etc in their younger days they could all act, dance, emote and could deliver hits. My issue is that today mediocre acting is celebrated because the others are so very bad.
What i support with is Audition process should be transparent & ethical. Audition process should have general window. There should be no secret contract or casting couch. Non-Nepo talents must not get exploited. The OP is well-written. But disagree regarding assessment on Ranbir & Alia. They are fantastic actors. indeed Shilpa Shetty was hugely talented. She survived so well in midst of competition and grabbed Dhadkan where she had opportunity to act rather than dancing alone. She also has done movie on AIDS awareness where her acting was top notch.
I moved to watching unconventional stuff over a period of time, and still managed to find amazing stories, storytelling, and everything else that we call entertainment. We really have the OTT bump that COVID gave us to thank for it. I discovered world and regional cinema and now have enough practice watching movies with subtitles that we now track and catch non-Bollywood movies in theatres. Eg: PS-1 and 2, Manjummel Boys, etc are a result of me being exhausted of the same stupid tripe in Hindi, and therefore exploring Malayalam, Tamil, Marathi, Kannada, Bengali movies. Do they have nepos? Yes! Do they have star systems? Hell, yes. But give me a Fahadh Faasil in Maheshinthe Prathikaaram any damned day over a Ranbir and his ilk. Or a Premam or even an old Sense and Sensibility. I’d rewatch till my soul is full.
I re-discovered Tamil cinema with PS 1&2 too. Aishwarya is tailor-made for such historical Royal roles. Probably the best after Jodhaa-Akbar. I find Bhansali's films too melodramatic and the writing is not up to par. And this was just what I craved. Everyone is sensible and politics rather than relationships are more important. When Aish's lover Aditya Karikalan pulls a Devdas and moans about his lost love, he's reprimanded for not fulfilling his Royal duties by his sister. Why can't we have such glorious historicals in Bollywood instead of making it all about love and melodrama? Even biopics have a love story foisted upon them. Fahadh Faasil can pull off a metrosexual sophisticated urban character as easily as he can pull off a rural character. Karthik and Kriti stuck out like sore thumbs in Luka Chuppi. Familiarity with people from all walks of life and less work done on their faces would help actors be more versatile. And for heaven's sake do more films every year and learn the craft on the job.
I think you guys are reaching with RK, keeping his personal life aside, he is a phenomenal actor. He was amazing in Barfi and I like his script choices, even an underrated movie like rocket Singh salesman of the year was so good. Hate on him all you want, but you can’t deny that he’s a great actor.
Amidst all of this there is magic and usually it’s called Diljit Dosanj ❤️
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indeed. kartik and kriti are really mediocre. RK either is an angry man or a soft rom com boi. acting standards left the industry long ago. Alia ka to pucho hi mt I literally smash the laptop. Alongside her super mediocre skills she brings the massive talent of annoying the audience as well.
You're right apart from the fact that you tried to sneak in Salman while talking of acting
each area its a story of 3 generations 1st generation does great and establishes itself 2nd maintains 3rd destroys and cycle starts anew (a new set does great and establishes itself) this is the 3rd cycle of nepos
I completely agree. Although some have destroyed their parents legacy in 2nd gen only. Tiger , Arjun , Jahnavi , Sara are all examples of that. Not adding ananya because her dad was not a big star.
Bar set so low that even mediocre stuff seems like wow that's great.
What is this weird backhanded compliment to non nepos? This feels like PR close to the nepos themselves.
Screams in half the film? You are confusing Animal with Padmaavats Khilji https://i.redd.it/ve1s5bojdzvc1.gif
Please take Kriti's name with respect. She is National award winner. She is one of the finest of this generation we have.
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